Time  Nick         Message
00:00 * wizzyrea   waves to mrfixit
00:01 * mrfixit    waves back and hopes he gets the siren back in the right place ;-)
00:02 jcamins_away Great books. :)
00:04 druthb       o/
00:20 Judit        good morning
00:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #49: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/49/
00:34 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
00:34 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
01:41 jransom      hiya all
01:41 jransom      frantically trying to remember Robin's handle ...
01:42 eythian      I'll let you know if you get it right...
01:42 eythian      ...damn, foiled!
01:42 jransom      he!
01:42 jransom      tere you go
01:42 jransom      found ya baby
01:42 * wizzyrea   giggles
01:42 wizzyrea     hi jo
01:42 eythian      hello
01:42 wahanui      hi, eythian
01:42 jransom      hey that NF sqyou did for me, i just ran it for 18months and it found excatly 10,000 records
01:42 jransom      thats kinds weird isn't it
01:42 jransom      hiya Liz
01:42 eythian      that is a little suspect.
01:43 eythian      I think there's a default limit actually
01:43 jransom      and  couldn't find a 'limit' statement
01:43 wizzyrea     jo saved report?
01:43 jransom      yup
01:43 eythian      trying sticking "limit 1000000" on to the end of it.
01:43 wizzyrea     add a limit 40000 or something on the end
01:43 wizzyrea     jinx!
01:43 jransom      robin is my slave and makes gorgoeus things for me  like sql reports
01:43 * wizzyrea   imagines eythian as your slave
01:43 eythian      you make it sound so sordid...
01:43 jransom      I know ...
01:43 wizzyrea     is it getting hot in here?
01:44 * wizzyrea   fans
01:44 eythian      * wizzyrea swoons
01:44 jransom      who ever imagined 'sql reports' could get thaffect
01:44 eythian      haha
01:44 eythian      I always knew there was something about them...
01:44 wizzyrea     you, dearest, clearly have never seduced a geek ;)
01:44 jransom      clearly I have underestimated the value of sql-skills
01:45 * wizzyrea   has
01:45 wizzyrea     rawr
01:45 jransom      lol
01:45 wizzyrea     ^.^
01:45 jransom      imaginging pillow talk between you and Mr Liz now
01:45 wizzyrea     oh 1010011011011
01:45 eythian      "SELECT FROM...."
01:45 Judit        :)
01:46 Judit        omg
01:46 wizzyrea     judit: did you get the notify that your weirdness with the logs was fixed as part of another bug?
01:46 jransom      there you go - gazillions of results :)
01:46 eythian      awesomecross
01:46 jransom      its goes on and on and on
01:46 Judit        yes, thank you
01:46 eythian      yeah, it will :)
01:46 wizzyrea     yw :_
01:46 wizzyrea     :)
01:46 jransom      aon and on
01:47 jransom      and on some more
01:47 Judit        have you seen that futurama part, where bender the robot has nightmare- he dreams with digit 2
01:47 jransom      i quite like Bender
01:47 jransom      "Oh Bender - j becuase you have an axe in your head doesn'tmean you can just give up"
01:48 jransom      perhaps I like the chick more ...
01:48 eythian      Leela?
01:49 Judit        so you like a porn and alchohol addicted robot?:)
01:49 jransom      eythian: I think you needd to follow me into a provate room
01:50 Judit        :D
01:52 jransom      whose porn and alcool addcted? the chick or Bender
01:53 jransom      alking of which I've just finished Steven Tyler's autobio - very good
01:53 Judit        bender
02:00 Judit        telstra techinal support is hilarious
02:01 wizzyrea     hilarious ha ha or hilarious uh oh
02:01 Judit        i want to cry hilarious
02:01 Judit        but irma promised chocolate
02:02 Judit        they explained me that i cannot have 10.0.x.x ip address because that is for adsl modems not for cable
02:03 eythian      what?
02:03 eythian      that doesn't make sense.
02:03 Judit        oh really
02:04 Judit        :)
02:04 Judit        ?
02:04 eythian      yeah, ADSL and vable typically give your router a real-world IP address. Whatever addressing scheme you use behind that is completely irrelevant to the ISP's network.
02:05 eythian      *cable
02:05 wizzyrea     ya, 10.'s are private?!
02:05 wizzyrea     judit the following site might help you with them: http://icanhazip.com
02:05 wizzyrea     that will give you your public IP
02:06 wizzyrea     if they are asking for that
02:06 eythian      http://www.moanmyip.com/ <-- wizzyrea, not that?
02:06 wizzyrea     lol WOW
02:06 wizzyrea     that is EPIC
02:07 wizzyrea     eythian++ that was funny
02:07 wizzyrea     that brought the hubs out!
02:07 eythian      haha
02:09 wizzyrea     icanhazip is erm, more office friendly >.>
02:09 wizzyrea     and why does it not surprise me that you have that at your "fingertips"
02:10 eythian      I just memorise the whole internet, it's easier that way
02:10 wizzyrea     mhm, a likely story
02:11 eythian      would this font lie to you?
02:15 Judit        no eythian according to telstra tech support, they own 10.x.x.x
02:15 Judit        and i cannot use it only if i have adsl modem
02:15 Judit        :D
02:15 eythian      I assume you dictated RFC1918 at them then?
02:16 Judit        :) no asked for the manager
02:16 eythian      probably a good plan too.
02:22 Brooke       0/
03:42 Brooke       kia ora cait
03:43 cait         Hi Brooke
03:43 cait         go to bed? ;)
03:43 Brooke       I've got like 20 minutes or so before I turn into a pumpkin ;)
03:47 cait         mmmh pumpkin
03:48 Judit        bake it!
03:49 Judit        i found this recipe: http://jessicainsd.blogspot.com/2011/09/pull-apart-cinnamon-sugar-pumpkin-bread.html
03:49 Judit        :)
03:49 Judit        but
03:49 cait         oh,that looks yummy
03:50 Judit        do you anything about .elm
03:50 Judit        http://www.contecgroup.com/elm.htm
03:50 Judit        it doesnt say much on the website
03:57 eythian      Judit: we might be doing something with that in the not-too-distant future.
03:57 eythian      As of yet, I know nothing about it though.
03:57 eythian      jransom: your thing is done
03:57 eythian      (I hope)
03:58 jransom      cool - ta
03:59 jransom      will run it tomorrow
03:59 cait         morning mr robin and jo :)
04:00 jransom      at home now in the wops -
04:01 eythian      hi cait
04:03 jransom      hey Cait
04:03 wajasu       finally. i got create-label.pdf to print my unicode foreign chars! hurray for me.
04:03 Brooke       :)
04:03 cait         :)
04:03 Brooke       good on you
04:04 jransom      woo hoo
04:04 cait         wajasu: how did you do it? changing the code?
04:04 jransom      well done
04:04 eythian      wajasu: now document what you needed to do somewhere :)
04:04 wajasu       yeah.
04:12 wajasu       i changed 5 or 6 lines in label-create-pdf.pl   to use the simpler API.  and added a call to embed "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/arial.ttf"  Now I see  Jürgen
04:13 eythian      http://xkcd.com/ <-- relevant in general
04:13 wajasu       the 1 label pdf is 19KB.
04:13 cait         oh jürgen :)
04:14 Brooke       eythian stop looking at my scandalous whispers to Mr. Cormack.
04:14 wajasu       i will document it and append it to the bug.  I'll experiment some more, paste findings.  Maybe you can get it in the next release?
04:15 eythian      Brooke: hey, if your IRC connection isn't SSL enabled, it's not my fault that you're making everything public.
04:15 Judit        hahahaha :)
04:19 Oak          kia ora #koha
04:19 Oak          Hello Brooke :-)
04:19 Oak          Guten Morgen cait :)
04:19 cait         morning Oak
04:59 fredericd    rangi: thanks for finalizing cleaning up the mess introduced by my bug 6755 patch
04:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
05:23 rangi        no worries, I think its all good now
05:37 Brooke       ugh America junior is trailing badly now.
05:41 Brooke       and again canucks
05:41 Brooke       don't do me like the Scots
05:43 jransom      23 all!
05:44 jransom      and the 80th minute rolls over ...
06:10 alex_a       hello #koha !
06:10 Brooke       hi
06:10 wahanui      hello, Brooke
06:49 francharb    hello all
07:02 reiveune     hello
07:04 paul_p       good morning world !
07:08 rangi        hi reiveune, francharb and paul_p
07:09 reiveune     hi rangi
07:09 francharb    hi rangi
07:10 paul_p       hello rangi. Have you been happy with France<>NZ match ?
07:10 paul_p       (I couldn't see it, unfortunatly)
07:12 rangi        paul_p: the first half, but we went to sleep a little bit in the 2nd half .. but overall good
07:12 wajasu       I'm glad I got the unicode characters showing in my barcode labels.  (i.e with embedded truetype font), but will have to look into how to get more than one line to print in the label-create-pdf.pl code.
07:12 rangi        i was much more happy with the ireland vs australia game :)
07:15 paul_p       rangi, yep, I thought you will be happy with Aussies loosing ;-) It seems we will have "north" all in the higher part of the final round and south in the lower part. At least that mean we should have a final north vs south. I'm not sure at all the north team will be france though...
07:17 rangi        hm maybe not argentina might make it into the north half :)
07:19 paul_p       right. Didn't you know Argentina is now in the north ? ( ;) )
07:19 rangi        hehe
07:19 rangi        scotland has to beat england, and beat them well
07:19 rangi        which im not sure they can
07:20 paul_p       -note I don't want to see argentina in our half, because they've beaten us many times... something like 6 times in the last 8 matches)
07:20 rangi        but i think france can beat england
07:25 rangi        so i think it will be ireland vs wales, england vs france, south africa vs australia, new zealand vs either scotland or argentina
07:26 rangi        nz vs south africa, france vs wales
07:26 rangi        nz vs france in the final :)
07:27 rangi        which will be a victory for non boring rugby :)
08:40 * Oak        waves
08:43 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6872 - Can't set default SMS messaging options for patron category <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d5c4a67ec5c91770583edb38ce0213dfa6119c7>
08:53 jenkins_koha Starting build 447 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #447: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/447/
09:41 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 6872 - Can't set default SMS messaging options for patron category
09:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6872 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't set default SMS messaging options when defining a patron category
12:10 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6925] The way to show the plural of a word is not compatible with multilanguage <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6925>
12:14 oleonard     Hi sekjal
12:15 jcamins      Good morning, #koha
12:16 gbarniskis   morning
12:18 oleonard     What is the meaning of this change? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koha_(software)&diff=438928870&oldid=prev
12:19 oleonard     Someone is saying the Polish way of saying Koha is KOHA?
12:19 sekjal       hi, oleonard
12:19 jcamins      oleonard: what?
12:19 jcamins      Hm.
12:20 jcamins      (now I see it)
12:21 sekjal       the Polish are very excited about Koha, and always shout it's name
12:21 gbarniskis   me too!
12:23 gbarniskis   it seems that to help sign off bugs, I really need a system that has usable data in it, so that realistic transactions can actually occur. suggestions please?
12:25 jcamins      gbarniskis: depending on what you're testing, you might be able to get away with just sample data.
12:25 * jcamins    has a demo with all the PG records and a handful of UMich records.
12:26 oleonard     PG records? What am I, 12?
12:26 gbarniskis   hehe
12:27 jcamins      oleonard: at twelve I can't say I was reading D.H. Lawrence. :P
12:29 jcamins      sekjal: is there a magical combination of sysprefs that hides all items from other branches from the patron on the OPAC, but not the librarian in the staff client?
12:30 sekjal       jcamins:  not that I'm aware of...
12:30 jcamins      sekjal: ah well.
12:30 gbarniskis   if i want to run tests in multiple koha instances like 3.4.x, head, myhacks, qa_NNNN, etc., will I be happy enough with apache virtual hosts, or full isolation in separate debian vms?
12:31 jcamins      gbarniskis: you'll be fine with virtual hosts.
12:31 jcamins      I didn't learn how to set up virtual hosts until after I set up my testing environments, but that's probably how I'd do it now, if I were to start over.
12:32 gbarniskis   cool
12:36 wajasu       i am having success using a differnt user (koha344,koha36, ...) with perlbrew each with its own ~/.cpan using cpanminus.
12:36 gbarniskis   am I right to think that one git clone and N git branches will manage all that dev workflow at once, if I populate each apache host's running code with something like "rsync mygitclone branchhost/path/to/koha"
12:38 gbarniskis   assuming my repos is in the correct state when i rsync that host
12:39 gbarniskis   wajasu: i see, I may have to have diff modules for the hosts... thx
12:40 gbarniskis   i think that may tip me toward debian vms just to keep it cleaner in that respect
12:41 gbarniskis   it's not that much more overhead to me for small numbers of hosts
12:43 * oleonard   will be back later
12:44 wajasu       i was even able to download GraphicsMagick (C code) and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that my non pure perl code runs against that specific version. and recompile my personal cpan modules.
12:45 wajasu       will be nice to have a working env and switch to newer perl version to see what breaks when people upgrade in the field.
12:47 wajasu       i want to run production on a kohauser based on version,and be able to develop on same host, even with new "C" modules without updating my main system tht is running production.
12:49 wajasu       but you still have a dependency on gcc and system libs. unless I create an lxc container for a self contained host (with gcc libraries/includes). but i haven't tried that.
12:51 gbarniskis   i may actually have a go at adapting the wiki FreeBSD notes into a jail host system. I loves my jails.
12:52 jcamins      Yeah, I kind of miss using FreeBSD for my servers.
12:52 gbarniskis   where did you do that at?
12:52 wajasu       i only had to fix my .pl scripts to call "#!usr/bin/env perl" and I found two places in zebra .cfg files that were missed (i.e. /home/kohauser344/usr )
12:53 wajasu       running in "single" install mode.
12:54 jcamins      gbarniskis: not Koha servers. I used to run the servers for a small technology company.
12:54 jcamins      I only started using Linux when my laptop died hard and I had to borrow my wife's old laptop which had Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD.
12:56 jcamins      I successfully installed Koha on FreeBSD twice, but when I tried to install it in production, it didn't quite work out.
12:56 wajasu       tonight i need to figure out how to get multiple lines to print in my barcode labels, now that i got unicode printing my diacritics last night.
12:58 gbarniskis   i wouldn't recommend it for production either I think, just because koha + Linux is so common. but as part of a dev environment for me, the idea of a jail host is very tempting
12:58 jcamins      gbarniskis: see bug 4940 for an rc.d script.
12:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4940 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, NEW , Koha should include sample rc.d script(s) for *BSD
12:58 jcamins      Hm.
12:59 jcamins      huginn: are you feeling okay?
12:59 huginn       jcamins: I suck
13:00 nengard      ??
13:00 nengard      hey does anyone (probably jcamins) know of the bug report for the problem with searching for subjets with parens?
13:00 jcamins      nengard: it took huggin a long time to respond to my "bug 4940" pronouncement.
13:01 nengard      heh
13:01 jcamins      s/huggin/huginn
13:01 wajasu       i embedded a TTF truetype arial font.  but, if i was to work on a patch, I would need to add a syspref for a path to the truetype font to use, and maybe a schema change for such a column.
13:02 paul_p       hello #koha
13:02 jcamins      Bug 4276 has that part of the fix.
13:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms
13:03 paul_p       is there someone around using the DUEGST notification ? I think that the default "letter" is wrong. It contains : You have <<count>> items due, but count is not set anywhere
13:03 paul_p       could anyone confirm ?
13:04 sekjal       paul_p:  <<count>> is calculated in advance_notices.pl, and should be applied to the digest letters
13:05 sekjal       it's being applied to SOME letters, at any rate
13:05 paul_p       advance_notices.pl ? OK, my tests are against overdue_notice.pl. And here, I think it's not working
13:06 sekjal       overdue_notice.pl won't work as intended for PREDUE, DUE or their digest forms
13:06 paul_p       sekjal, and the advanced_notices.pl contains :
13:06 paul_p       $letter = parse_letter(
13:06 paul_p       {   letter         => $letter,
13:06 paul_p       borrowernumber => $borrowernumber,
13:06 paul_p       substitute     => {
13:06 paul_p       count           => $count,
13:06 paul_p       'items.content' => $titles
13:06 paul_p       }
13:06 paul_p       }
13:06 paul_p       that is exactly what I needed to add to overdue_notices.pl to get it working !
13:06 paul_p       I think i'll file a bug ;-)
13:07 sekjal       paul_p:  as well as to be sure $count is calculated somehow
13:07 paul_p       (I just had to add count => $count line)
13:07 paul_p       sekjal, yes it is
13:08 sekjal       ah, right, I'm seeing "$itemcount" defined as the first field output by the SQL
13:14 chris_n      wahanui: 3.4.5 is available
13:14 wahanui      OK, chris_n.
13:22 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6926] overdue_notices don't send itemcount to notification <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6926>
13:32 libsysguy    morning #Koha
13:48 * wizzyrea   uses schema.koha-community.org first thing
13:48 wizzyrea     it's so awesome, I could cry.
13:51 libsysguy    one of our librarians felt the same way wizzyrea
13:51 libsysguy    she hated using the mysql workbench file lol
13:51 wizzyrea     with the comments it's like, chorus of ahs
13:51 wizzyrea     nengard++
13:52 * gbarniskis pictures the scene from "Despicable Me" where the smallest girl hugs her new stuffed unicorn and screams "It's so FLUFFY!"
13:53 wizzyrea     hee
13:55 nengard      huh what ? what'd i do?
13:55 nengard      oh the db documentation :)
13:55 nengard      I'll get back to that as soon as i catch up with work stuffs :)
13:55 wizzyrea     ^^ yes, that
13:55 wizzyrea     what you've already done is quite helpful :)
13:56 wizzyrea     oy, messages.message_type: B or L?
13:56 wizzyrea     anybody know what B and L stand for?
13:57 wizzyrea     librarian and borrower?
13:57 libsysguy    does anybody know of an issue on Master with patronflags
13:58 libsysguy    im geting an undef subroutine checkoverdues
13:59 wizzyrea     exact message?
13:59 libsysguy    Undefined subroutine &C4::Members::checkoverdues called at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 511.
14:00 libsysguy    its defined in Overdues.pm and looks like Overdues is included in Members
14:00 wizzyrea     weren't you mucking about with overdue checking? maybe a bad merge?
14:01 libsysguy    maybe...still odd becuase it looks like it should be good
14:03 libsysguy    oh...odd it looks like it is looking in members and not overdues
14:04 jcamins      sekjal: it looks like there's a discussion on autocat about personal name authority heading forms.
14:05 jcamins      I haven't been reading it, but it's there.
14:05 sekjal       jcamins:  thanks for the heads up
14:08 libsysguy    ok so I found a typo bug but I don't have a copy of master to edit and commit back on...should I just drop a ticket for it
14:09 libsysguy    its on line 172 of master
14:17 wizzyrea     i'll help ya see your PMs
14:32 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6927] Typo in Overdues.pm <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6927>
14:41 sekjal       wow, who was the jerk who introduced that typo!
14:41 libsysguy    haha
14:41 libsysguy    not I
14:44 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6919] Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919>
14:46 sekjal       ::sigh::  well, I'm embarassed
14:48 sekjal       libsysguy: your fix is passed QA
14:55 libsysguy    thanks sekjal
14:55 wizzyrea     6919 still no titles?
14:56 sekjal       libsysguy:  thank YOU
14:57 wizzyrea     i'm feeling confused: xslt for results in intranet wasn't implemented before?
14:59 wizzyrea     http://screencast.com/t/qzMSlqsJpCv0
14:59 jcamins      wizzyrea: nope, never.
14:59 wizzyrea     (that's current master, pre patch)
14:59 sekjal       I thought it used to be... and got deleted somehow
14:59 sekjal       but that doesn't make any sense
14:59 wizzyrea     so the syspref...
14:59 jcamins      sekjal: nope, never.
14:59 jcamins      wizzyrea: does nothing.
15:00 jcamins      For IntranetXSLTResults.
15:00 sekjal       kind of a glaring omissions, dontcha think?
15:00 sekjal       how'd this go for so long?
15:00 jcamins      Yep.
15:00 jcamins      No one cared enough.
15:01 wizzyrea     ok, visual inspection reveals that the displays are in fact identical
15:01 * wizzyrea   had to know for sure
15:02 wizzyrea     then... what stylesheet did cait add the css to/
15:02 * wizzyrea   goes to look it up
15:02 jcamins      There's an intranet stylesheet.
15:02 jcamins      Just no Results XSLT.
15:02 wizzyrea     oic
15:02 wizzyrea     that was a rabbit hole I wish I'd not gone into
15:03 wizzyrea     either way, alex's fix is still busted.
15:03 jcamins      Yeah, I noticed that.
15:04 wizzyrea     he's got a few references to UNIMARCslimUtils.xsl, maybe that's the prob?
15:04 wizzyrea     I really know thismuch about xslt.
15:05 jcamins      That's part of it. The other part is that the MARC21 code still requires UNIMARC data.
15:05 wizzyrea     i am glad you understand it.
15:06 * Oak        waves
15:06 * jcamins    is not going down that rabbit hole any time soon.
15:07 * gbarniskis senses danger and instinctively reaches for the vorpal blade
15:08 gbarniskis   bbl
15:13 alex_a       wizzyrea: i've included the same xslt as in the previous patch
15:13 alex_a       :(
15:13 alex_a       :(
15:14 wizzyrea     alex_a: if at first you don't succeed, try try again :)
15:14 wizzyrea     we'll hang with ya until you get it, is np at all.
15:15 alex_a       :)
15:19 reiveune     bye
15:20 alex_a       wizzyrea: which field is used by default for the biblionumber with MARC21 ?
15:20 wizzyrea     999$c I think?
15:20 * wizzyrea   double checks
15:21 jcamins      Yup.
15:21 alex_a       thx
15:33 slef         wahanui: 952?
15:33 wahanui      slef: i haven't a clue
15:34 slef         wahanui: 9xx?
15:34 wahanui      9xx are local
15:34 slef         wahanui: no, 9xx are local use fields documented at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
15:34 wahanui      ...but 9xx is local...
15:34 wahanui      ...but 9xx are local...
15:35 slef         wahanui: forget 9xx
15:35 wahanui      slef: I forgot 9xx
15:35 slef         wahanui: 9xx are local use fields documented at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
15:35 wahanui      OK, slef.
15:35 jcamins      @marc 952
15:35 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 952
15:36 jcamins      wahanui: @marc 952 is the tag used by Koha for to store item data in MARC21.
15:36 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
15:36 slef         jcamins: that's a plugin, harder to fix
15:36 jcamins      @marc 952
15:36 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 952
15:36 wahanui      @marc 952 is the tag used by Koha for to store item data in MARC21.
15:36 huginn       wahanui: unknown field/subfield combination (952/is)
15:36 wahanui      huginn: excuse me?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: I suck
15:36 wahanui      huginn: excuse me?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: downloading the Perl source
15:36 wahanui      huginn: what?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: I suck
15:36 wahanui      huginn: huh?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: downloading the Perl source
15:36 wahanui      huginn: excuse me?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: I've exhausted my database of quotes
15:36 wahanui      huginn: i'm not following you...
15:36 jcamins      Oops.
15:36 huginn       wahanui: downloading the Perl source
15:36 wahanui      huginn: i'm not following you...
15:36 slef         wahanui: shut up!
15:36 wahanui      slef: i'm not following you...
15:36 huginn       wahanui: downloading the Perl source
15:36 wahanui      huginn: excuse me?
15:36 huginn       wahanui: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:36 jcamins      wahanui: change to something
15:36 wahanui      ...but i'll give you the answer just as soon as rda is <reply>...
15:36 wahanui      jcamins: that doesn't look right
15:36 slef         wahanui: silent
15:36 wahanui      slef: i'm not following you...
15:36 jcamins      Okay, that wasn't such a good idea...
15:36 slef         bad man jcamins
15:36 slef         wahanui: forget @marc 952
15:36 wahanui      slef: I forgot @marc 952
15:36 * jcamins    giggles.
15:37 wizzyrea     botfight!
15:37 jcamins      wahanui: @marc 952 is <reply> The 952 field is used by Koha for to store item data in MARC21.
15:37 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
15:37 jcamins      wahanui: forget @marc 952
15:37 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot @marc 952
15:37 jcamins      wahanui: @marc 952 is <reply> The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21.
15:37 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
15:37 jcamins      @marc 952
15:37 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 952
15:37 wahanui      The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21.
15:37 jcamins      There we go.
15:37 slef         nearly
15:38 jcamins      slef: well, it worked, and didn't result in a bot fight.
15:38 slef         wahanui: @marc 952 is also <reply> 952 is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
15:38 wahanui      okay, slef.
15:38 slef         @marc 952
15:38 huginn       slef: unknown tag 952
15:38 wahanui      The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21. or <reply> 952 is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
15:38 slef         wahanui: I hate you!
15:38 wahanui      slef: i'm not following you...
15:39 wizzyrea     wahanui: I hate you.
15:39 wahanui      wizzyrea: excuse me?
15:39 wizzyrea     heh
15:59 alex_a       3 patchs for the same bug because of inattention :-/
16:00 alex_a       i hope this one is right one
16:00 wizzyrea     testing now...
16:01 alex_a       thx wizzyrea
16:01 wizzyrea     http://screencast.com/t/dJYremkgOGRJ
16:01 wizzyrea     looks much better :)
16:03 alex_a       ok, there is not lot of informations displayed, but this could be done in a patch ahead
16:03 wizzyrea     right, I think it's going to be one that we build on before we get it in?
16:04 wizzyrea     it would be extremely confusing for libraries
16:04 alex_a       for xslt improment. 'cause i'm not a great xslt maker
16:08 oleonard     paul_p still around?
16:08 paul_p       yep oleonard
16:08 paul_p       (hello)
16:08 oleonard     sorry I missed your recent comments on Bug 5725. Should your latest patch be applied in addition to the existing ones?
16:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
16:09 wizzyrea     to pass this, imo - it would have to at least duplicate the current normal view
16:09 wizzyrea     but that's just m/o
16:09 wizzyrea     but it's certainly a good place to start
16:09 * paul_p     playing with ENH still "needs signoff" today...
16:10 paul_p       still something like 30 to go :'(
16:11 paul_p       (well ;'( because most of them come from BibLibre and I can't self-signoff...)
16:15 oleonard     paul_p: Should your latest patch for 5725 be applied in addition to the existing ones?
16:18 alex_a       wizzyrea: what would be extremely confusing for libraries ?
16:18 wizzyrea     if they happen to have the syspref on, and do an update, their display is radically different and significantly less useful
16:19 sekjal       wizzyrea:  update should set the pref value to "OFF" as part of updatedatabase.pl
16:19 wizzyrea     I think that would be confusing
16:19 wizzyrea     yes, I agree with that
16:19 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5565] Default OAI UNIMARC to Dublin Core XSL adds superfluous blanks <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5565>
16:20 wizzyrea     but it doesn't?
16:20 wizzyrea     or it does.
16:22 paul_p       oleonard, the latest patch is a small follow-up just to fix the "update leader" problem. So yes, apply in addition to existing ones
16:22 alex_a       wizzyrea: i hope it doesn't
16:23 alex_a       in this case, each update will turn off the syspref ?
16:24 wizzyrea     I don't think that would be good, no.
16:24 paul_p       wizzyrea, I think alex_a could improve the marc21 xslt, but he knows nothing about xslt, so if you could give him a hand, he would be thankfull ;-)
16:24 wizzyrea     i would love to help, but I probably know less about it than he does.
16:26 alex_a       i don't about xslt, MARC21, and what a librarian would want to be displayed in intranet results ...
16:26 alex_a       i don't know
16:27 wizzyrea     well, they like the current display
16:27 wizzyrea     i will look into it, but that's about all I can say - steep learning curve on that
16:28 alex_a       time to go home
16:28 alex_a       bye bye
16:28 wizzyrea     have a good night :)
16:28 alex_a       thx :)
16:28 alex_a       and
16:29 alex_a       @wizzyrea++
16:29 huginn       alex_a: I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:29 alex_a       for having tested 2 times
16:30 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6919] Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919>
16:30 wizzyrea     yvw, I'll see what I can do about making it more complete... it's a big help to have it started :)
16:32 * chris_n    attempts to wrestle jQuery and DataTables into submission
16:33 chris_n      it seems sort of like running through jello, though
16:33 wizzyrea     wrestling... running through jello
16:33 wizzyrea     I take it you've met some resistance
16:34 chris_n      yup, I've run square into ignorance ;-)
16:34 * wizzyrea   does that all the time
16:34 wizzyrea     see above.
16:34 libsysguy    ok silly question. '2011-01-09 00:00:00' < '2011-01-05 00:00:00' = false right?
16:34 wizzyrea     :)
16:35 sekjal       libsysguy:  that comparison should be false, yes
16:35 chris_n      not if its yyyy-dd-mm
16:35 libsysguy    yy-mm-dd
16:35 libsysguy    yyyy**
16:36 chris_n      opps
16:36 * chris_n    goes back to minding his own business :-O
16:36 libsysguy    im asking becuase of this line in Getoverdues
16:36 libsysguy    WHERE date_due < NOW()
16:36 libsysguy    shouldn't the inequality be flipped?
16:36 libsysguy    maybe im just crazy
16:37 chris_n      well
16:37 chris_n      if its a unix timestamp
16:37 chris_n      then NOW( ) will be greater
16:37 chris_n      because we are counting up
16:38 wizzyrea     libsysguy: that makes sense to me, now is always greater than the due date if something is overdue.
16:38 libsysguy    ok then im just not thinking about it correctly
16:38 * libsysguy  goes back to crazy thoughts
16:38 * chris_n    welcomes libsysguy to the club
16:38 libsysguy    hehe
16:38 * wizzyrea   comes up with a secret handshake for the club
16:39 wizzyrea     crazy thoughts! crazy thoughts! Craaayyyyzeeee thoughts!
16:39 chris_n      that would have to be something which logically makes sense, but tends to be misunderstood
16:39 libsysguy    handshake: <("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")><("<)(>")>
16:39 wizzyrea     ROFL
16:39 chris_n      okay... back into the jQuery foray
16:40 wizzyrea     (you really just made me laugh a lot)
16:40 wizzyrea     gl chris_n
16:40 libsysguy    dancing kirby is my favorite
16:44 libsysguy    seen cait
16:44 wahanui      cait was last seen on #koha 12 hours, 24 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: morning Oak [Tue Sep 27 04:18:52 2011]
16:44 libsysguy    sekjal we still on for this thursday?
16:45 sekjal       libsysguy: for Notices rewrite meeting?
16:46 libsysguy    yes sir
16:46 paul_p       before leaving: I call for a volunteer to test 5877 ! using a firefox module for offline circ is really GREAT and HANDY. It's live for all our customers since more than 1 year, it would be a true improvement for 3.6
16:47 oleonard     Bug 5877
16:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
16:47 paul_p       (note the testing is needed, as it has been heavily modified to fit koha-community.org version)
16:49 paul_p       time to leave. good day everybody ! see you tomorrow
16:49 paul_p       breaking news: we've found our new support guy, his name is adrien. And our librarian project manager, his name is Gaëtan. You should hear from them very soon ;-)
16:50 paul_p       (BibLibre is now 18... do you believe it ? I can't ;-) )
16:50 rhcl_away    paul_p++
16:51 rhcl_away    looking forward to the FF tool
16:51 rhcl_away    and congrats BibLibre!
16:57 sekjal       libsysguy:  I haven't had too much time to think about further steps for the notices rewrite, but I'm up for meeting at the usual time, sure
17:01 libsysguy    sekjal honestly I haven't either.  I have been really wrapped up with school
17:01 libsysguy    I have to write an indexing engine for class :-\
17:02 libsysguy    anyway I'm up for meeting but I just don't know what to talk about
17:14 oleonard     I'm finding the staff client's marc import  process to be very flaky
17:14 jcamins      oleonard: how so?
17:15 oleonard     It keep stalling out
17:15 oleonard     "Job progress" just stops
17:15 jcamins      And the upload doesn't finish?
17:16 oleonard     I'm already uploaded the file and staged it. Now I'm doing the import
17:16 jcamins      Oh.
17:16 jcamins      That's a new bug I'm not familiar with.
17:16 oleonard     How could I check to see whether the background process is running?
17:17 jcamins      ps ax | grep perl, if you're the only user on the system.
17:17 jcamins      If you're not the only user replace "perl" with the name of the page.
17:17 oleonard     Hm, nothing.
17:17 wahanui      rumour has it nothing is ever gone in git
17:24 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5459] merging records loses holds from one <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459>
17:51 libsysguy    sekjal just stumbled across this...you probably know about it http://search.cpan.org/~chunzi/MIME-Lite-TT-HTML-0.03/lib/MIME/Lite/TT/HTML.pm
17:52 libsysguy    could be really helpful in our future notification endevours
17:53 sekjal       libsysguy:  hmmm, will look
17:56 aarkerio     hi! I am looking for some advice about how set the "physical"  barcode in my books I mean the sticker
17:56 aarkerio     there is an Avery sticker template or some thing
17:57 aarkerio     can I do it with a regular printer?
17:57 aarkerio     and just use the 3M tape over it?
17:57 aarkerio     is my first library
17:59 libsysguy    id like to help aarkerio but I don't know the answer :'(
18:00 aarkerio     thanks , I found something:  http://www.det.wa.edu.au/education/cmis/cat/libprocmanual/chapter4.pdf
18:03 wizzyrea     aarkerio: truthfully it doesn't matter as long as a barcode reader can read it
18:03 wizzyrea     some libraries do it on the outside, some on the inside
18:03 wizzyrea     some have pre-made barcodes, some generate them and print (like you are)
18:04 wizzyrea     whatever you do, it will need to be durable, so tape over it is probably a good idea
18:08 aarkerio     wizzyrea, Thanks! Can  I generate barcode in Koha?
18:12 wizzyrea     I am sure it can be done, I have never done ti
18:12 wizzyrea     it*
18:12 * wizzyrea   looked in the manual, but didn't find anything but one syspref for creating barcodes
18:12 wizzyrea     it's apparently not documented.
18:12 aarkerio     I think is this way: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/patroncardcreator.html
18:13 wizzyrea     that's patron barcodes, I think
18:13 aarkerio     mmm, yea, I think is:   Home� Tools� Labels Home
18:14 wizzyrea     the process may be similar, however.
18:15 aarkerio     Home � Tools � Labels Home � Manage Label Layouts > Barcode
18:21 * rangi      waves hi on his way to get the kids breakfast and catch his bus
18:21 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6633] Self Checkout Return Item button disappeared Renew Item button doesn't work <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6633>
18:21 * wizzyrea   waves hiasrangispeedsofftostarthisday
18:22 wizzyrea     whoosh
18:40 rangi        hi from the bus
18:53 rangi        ByWater++ #nice work with corpus christi
18:53 rangi        biblibre++ #new hires and lots of testing
18:57 rangi        chris_n++ #3.4.5
19:05 chris_n      3.4.5?
19:05 wahanui      3.4.5 is available
19:15 rangi        :)
19:16 rangi        quiet today
20:02 hdl          mtj: are you there ?
20:04 hdl          @later tell mtj about nabble, I would like to know what I should do exactly. Anyway galen is co-admin of koha-community lists iirc.
20:04 huginn       hdl: The operation succeeded.
20:12 hdl          @later mtj if you need archives files, tell me I will make those acessible for you.
20:12 huginn       hdl: downloading the Perl source
20:13 hdl          @later tell mtj if you need archives files, tell me I will make those acessible for you.
20:13 huginn       hdl: The operation succeeded.
20:22 * chris_n    wins a strategic victory over jQuery, Datatables, and jEditable
20:23 chris_n      so on that note I'll call it a day :)
20:23 gbarniskis   grats
20:23 rangi        cya chris_n, thanks again for the release
20:23 rangi        ill do a stats run on it in a bit
20:26 aarkerio     HI! somebody know a URL about how print ISBN barcode in Koha?
20:26 rangi        not me
20:27 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6927-- Typo in C4::Overdues.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=085de44ebdc5bf6431c59b3e60af0277891cd19d>
20:27 aarkerio     but that is possible right?
20:27 wizzyrea     sekjal: can you have a look at 6871 for QA, pretty please?
20:27 rangi        an ISBN one? don't know
20:27 rangi        ive only seen barcode ones
20:28 gbarniskis   things that need ISBN barcode on them usually have one preprinted on them, no?
20:28 * rangi      doesnt use the print labels stuff in koha
20:28 rangi        gbarniskis: thats what i would have thought
20:29 gbarniskis   i suppose i could see a case for having it on a printed report, as a librarian shortcut
20:29 sekjal       wizzyrea: was just waiting on you to finish the paperwork :)  Passed
20:29 rangi        :)
20:29 wizzyrea     WOOT
20:29 wizzyrea     ty :D
20:29 sekjal       rangi:  thanks for pushing 6927
20:29 rangi        np
20:30 * sekjal     is embarassed
20:30 rangi        hey i didnt spot it either
20:30 wizzyrea     libsysguy did
20:30 wizzyrea     cuzn he's awesome like that
20:30 sekjal       nice thing about being part of a community; no one person has to be perfect
20:31 * wizzyrea   is not perfect lots
20:31 rangi        hmm i thought thatcher did a patch at kohacon, guess not, that will make him 157th
20:31 wizzyrea     so I"m thankful for you all :P
20:31 wizzyrea     oh that's funny
20:31 wizzyrea     I was 87th
20:31 sekjal       rangi:  158
20:31 wizzyrea     lulz, nm.
20:32 wizzyrea     it was going to be all sweet and stuff that we both had 7s at the end
20:32 wizzyrea     ;)
20:32 wizzyrea     but no matter.
20:32 aarkerio     or what about if I want to print the ID number book barcode?
20:32 trea         huzzah, ty all
20:32 sekjal       rangi:  bug 4841 introduced a new committer
20:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4841 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, larry, ASSIGNED , Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items
20:33 rangi        ahh true, 158 then
20:35 rangi        lemme jus do the 3.4.5 stats and ill push and update the history too
20:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 448 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:47 rangi        hokay thats that
20:48 rangi        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/09/28/feature-freeze-and-koha-3-4-5/
20:49 rangi        now to push this patch and the history updates
20:54 rangi        aww right next to each other
20:55 rangi        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=405ee6844d835322621bad4cfcfa8c359e8878f7
20:55 rangi        thats officially the first husband and wife team
20:55 wizzyrea     mmm
20:55 rangi        oh no i lie
20:55 wizzyrea     engards
20:55 wizzyrea     :)
20:55 rangi        engards
20:55 rangi        yeah
20:55 wizzyrea     but 2nd :)
20:55 rangi        yup
20:55 sekjal       next trick is parent/child
20:56 wizzyrea     that may go to the bavoussets
20:56 rangi        :)
20:56 wizzyrea     unless rangi's got kahu doing perl calisthenics
20:56 rangi        dude
20:56 rangi        i havent written a think the last 2 years, its all him
20:56 rangi        he's my ghostwriter
20:56 wizzyrea     LOL
20:57 wizzyrea     this is really him right now, isn't it?
20:57 rangi        i like mini golf
20:58 rangi        there, you are famous on twitter now
20:58 rangi        its the cait!
20:58 wizzyrea     lol
20:59 wizzyrea     kahu?
20:59 wahanui      I LIKE MINI GOLF!
20:59 * wizzyrea   nods
20:59 rangi        lol
20:59 rangi        and chest
20:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Updating history and about file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=405ee6844d835322621bad4cfcfa8c359e8878f7> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6871' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed328807c37c452bc700295e823170721905053c> / Bug 6871 - Have a link to the schema page on the reports page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
20:59 rangi        which is chess
20:59 rangi        and stater blades
20:59 rangi        which is bay blades
20:59 rangi        beyblades even
20:59 wizzyrea     what little boy doesn't love chest.
21:00 rangi        http://www.beyblade.com/splash.aspx
21:00 wizzyrea     let's be honest.
21:00 rangi        hehe
21:00 * sekjal     needs to get one of his cats to write a patch... they're not very cooperative or interested, though
21:00 wizzyrea     I bet they could be very effective at generating random patron names for test data
21:00 rangi        :)
21:01 mtj          ooh, so interesting...
21:01 * gbarniskis was just thinkin of fun ways to randomize patron test names
21:01 mtj          http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on-Software-Development-Management/ba-p/440
21:01 sekjal       every day at 6am and 5pm, Koha would dispense kibble all over the circ desk
21:01 * cait       waves :)
21:01 wizzyrea     patrons would go wild
21:02 rangi        doesnt yours do that already?
21:02 sekjal       oh, now there IS an idea... SIP2 connected cat food feeder
21:02 hdl          hi mtj
21:02 cait         hehe
21:02 cait         we discussed connecting the espresso machine once...
21:06 gbarniskis   you'll need a particularly striped cat to set off the bc reader
21:06 wizzyrea     i like you.
21:06 cait         lol
21:07 rangi        http://osdc.com.au/schedule/
21:07 wizzyrea     you'll fit in just fine here ^.^
21:07 * sekjal     goes to scan his tabby with a QR code scanner...
21:07 cait         gbarniskis: seems you passed the #koha test :)
21:07 rangi        check out 12pm day one
21:07 gbarniskis   lol, thx
21:07 rangi        ohhh and the keynote for day 2
21:07 wizzyrea     eythian! roxxor
21:07 * gbarniskis launches private dev vm instance #2
21:10 sekjal       Coltrane is having none of my ridiculousness; he ran away from my when he saw the cellphone, and hid under the bed
21:11 trea         you named your cat Coltrane. sekjal++
21:12 trea         you don't have another cat named "Cannonball Adderly" by chance?
21:13 sekjal       Morgana
21:13 sekjal       is our other kitty
21:13 trea         also good
21:17 rangi        hey bg
21:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #448: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/448/
21:27 jenkins_koha lrea: Bug 6927-- Typo in C4::Overdues.pm
21:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6927 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , Typo in Overdues.pm
21:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 449 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:30 eythian      huh, one of the OSDC speakers is someone I met in Malaysia
21:30 cait         hey mr robin :)
21:30 eythian      hi cait :)
21:30 rangi        some interesting keynotes, damian conway is always great
21:31 eythian      wahanui: cait is also Ms. Cait to you.
21:31 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:31 eythian      yeah, I've seen him a couple of times, worth seeing.
21:32 sekjal       okay, time to go for the day.  cheers, #koha
21:32 wizzyrea     bye sekjal :)
21:33 rangi        cya sekjal
21:33 wizzyrea     I almost typed "xsltresluts"
21:33 * cait       glares at eythian
21:33 eythian      wahanui: wizzyrea is also all about the resluts
21:33 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:33 cait         wizzyrea: lol
21:33 wizzyrea     lol
21:33 rangi        wizzyrea ?
21:33 wahanui      I LIKE BAO or all about the resluts
21:34 rangi        cait?
21:34 wahanui      rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me or Ms. Cait to you
21:35 hdl          good night
21:36 rangi        night hdl sleep well
21:36 wizzyrea     later hdl :)
21:37 cait         good night hdl
21:37 eythian      bye hdl
21:50 rangi        hey jransom
21:50 wahanui      jransom is so pleased!
21:53 cait         hi jransom :)
21:53 eythian      hello jransom
22:04 cait         night all
22:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #449: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/449/
22:14 jenkins_koha * thatcher.rea: Bug 6871 - Have a link to the schema page on the reports page
22:14 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Updating history and about file
22:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6871 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, RESOLVED FIXED, Have a link to the schema page on the reports page
22:21 eythian      http://boingboing.net/2011/09/26/epic-dubstep-dude-is-epic.html <-- wub wub wub
22:53 gbarniskis   anyone on familiar with the koha-common squeeze package?
22:54 eythian      yep
22:55 gbarniskis   i used it to kick start a vm, but now i'm not sure I want to get into its way of managing stuff, and wondering if it is kosher to just install 3.4.5 by hand now
22:57 rangi        i wouldnt, the 3.4.5 package will be out shortly, id just apt-get upgrade to that
22:58 * eythian    is going to be making it today
22:59 gbarniskis   thing is i want to learn the common package and its tools, and how to do that upgrade path, but i don't want that right now. right now I want to do the initial setup and deployment ye olde fashioned way
23:00 gbarniskis   it's a learnin thing =)
23:00 eythian      gbarniskis: my (self-serving) recommendation for that would be to learn how to build packages, that way you can help me fix bugs in them ;)
23:02 gbarniskis   perhaps... i guess for now it's dinner time. i'll leave this vm and cut another so i can do it both ways. thx for the packaging, it worked really great for me
23:03 eythian      cool :)
23:15 gbarniskis   when i did a manual install with install_misc/debian.packages, I got prompted for a mysql password, and for the koha-common install I don't remember that. did I skip something?
23:17 gbarniskis   for the root user. I see where koha- stuff handles it for the instance users
23:18 rangi        yeah the packages dont need it
23:18 eythian      when using the packages, it's able to use the debian system for doing that stuff
23:18 rangi        because you might have your server on another machine
23:19 rangi        (im assuming you mean that it installed mysql-server and the packages dont by default)
23:19 gbarniskis   so i skipped installing mysql-server. that explains that
23:21 gbarniskis   thanks all, g'nite
23:28 Brooke       kia ora
23:29 rangi        hi Brooke
23:30 Brooke       how's it?
23:32 rangi        not too bad at all
23:32 rangi        @wunder wellington nz
23:32 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on September 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
23:33 eythian      I wish that provided the wind
23:33 Brooke       provided the wind or provided for wind?
23:33 eythian      provided the wind speed.
23:34 eythian      provided the wind speed value.
23:34 eythian      provided the wind speed value in metres per second.
23:34 eythian      provided the wind speed value in metres per second or the beaufort scale.
23:35 Brooke       would a comparison to the velocity of a swallow be an acceptable alternative?
23:35 eythian      laden or unladen?
23:36 * Brooke     highfives eythian.
23:54 Brooke       ahoy Irma
23:54 Irma         g'day Brooke
23:55 Brooke       :)