Time Nick Message 00:00 eythian jcamins: sorry, bad phrasing: I've never known it to not allow imports from Z39.50 because of missing authorities, but I've never explicitly tried that either 00:00 jcamins Ah. Right. 00:00 jcamins lastnode: no, it's a good question. 00:00 jcamins The idea is to disambiguate names. 00:00 eythian lastnode: look at data from a system that's a few years old without them, and you'll see what they're for :) 00:01 eythian It reduces typos, bundles a bunch of information together in one place, and allows it to be updated centrally. 00:01 lastnode gotcha. so is there any way i can generaet authorities from teh records i already have in the db 00:01 lastnode or do i have to do it manually? 00:01 eythian I don't know, tbh. I wouldn't be surprised to find there's a way to do it. 00:01 rangi id check they dont have them first 00:02 rangi if you have the syspref it will be creating them for you when you save 00:02 lastnode what is the syspref? 00:02 rangi cant remember 00:02 rangi go look for one around authorities ;) 00:02 eythian BiblioAddsAuthorities 00:02 wahanui well, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref, under Authorities 00:03 lastnode it is set to Dont allow by default? 00:03 eythian no wahanui, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record. 00:03 wahanui okay, eythian. 00:03 lastnode bc i didnt change that syspref. 00:03 eythian Have a look to see what it's set to now, and you'll know. 00:03 lastnode it's set to dont allow 00:04 lastnode :( 00:04 eythian (I think it's off by default, but I never trust anyone who says "I didn't touch that!" :) 00:04 lastnode haha 00:04 lastnode ok so now that i have 100+ records with no authorities added 00:04 lastnode will turning this on and editing all of them, add authorities? 00:04 rangi youve done an authority search eh 00:04 rangi and tested that they dont exist? 00:04 lastnode yes rangi 00:04 lastnode im searching for author names 00:06 lastnode so eythian BiblioAddsAuthorities ive set it to allow 00:07 lastnode will editing the records i have auto add records now?that seems to be what this option does, but just watn to make sure 00:07 eythian I don't know for sure, but it seems plausible. 00:07 rangi dunno if it does on edit 00:07 rangi try it and see 00:08 lastnode k done 00:08 * lastnode waits for the zebra_rebuild 00:10 eythian http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/git.koha-community.org :< 00:10 rangi hmm it was up this morning i was pushing to it 00:10 eythian so, you broke it then? 00:10 rangi the mirror is up to date 00:11 rangi naw i think its a vm thats pants 00:11 rangi http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git 00:11 rangi all up to date 00:12 jcamins I think it's probably time for ByWater to upgrade that server. It's been down an awful lot lately. 00:12 rangi seems to lock up hard 00:13 rangi like i can ssh to it hard 00:13 rangi can=cant 00:13 rangi i wonder if something is dossing it 00:13 rangi or making it go OOM some other way 00:14 jcamins Could be. 00:14 jcamins Shari's home, with tomato sauce, so it's time for pizza! 00:14 jcamins Good night, #koha 00:14 rangi cya jcamins_away 00:14 eythian cya 00:15 eythian I wonder if it's possible to point a URL to gitorius. That would also give us the features it has, too. 00:16 rangi its easy enough to set up a cron to mirror on gitorious 00:16 rangi i did it for months 00:16 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha 00:18 rangi i could start that going again 00:19 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/master stopped in about june 00:19 lastnode yes, friends, that administrative setting did it 00:20 lastnode is tehre anyway to automate the edit of 100 records so authorities are added? 00:21 rangi probably, but would involve some coding 00:21 lastnode also, apart from personal name, are there other authorities i should be worried about? 00:21 rangi subjects 00:21 rangi and genres 00:22 lastnode ok 00:22 lastnode let's hope those are imported now as well 00:22 * lastnode edits harry potter and the philosopher's stone and waits for zebra to do its thing 00:23 lastnode rangi: if you dont mind, could you refresh my memory (i asked this question before). to restore a koha-dumped sql/tar file, do i need to koha-create first? 00:23 rangi dunno 00:24 lastnode say i have exported teh 'foobar' koha install from one server. to createit on the other 00:24 lastnode do i need to koha-create foobar then koha-restore foobar.sql.gz foobar.tar.gz 00:24 rangi dunno 00:24 lastnode hrm, ok 00:25 lastnode i recall you knowing the procedure, maybe im mistaken. my bad :) 00:25 rangi i suspect not 00:25 rangi i think you only need to create if you are just restoring the db 00:25 eythian lastnode: no 00:25 rangi from a mysqldump 00:25 eythian koha-restore I think will do the create for you 00:26 lastnode ok 00:26 lastnode thank you 00:27 lastnode i have to move koha from my vps to a school server bc school decided they dont want to pay for a vps 00:27 lastnode thus koha will only be accesible on LAN, but nvm, baby steps :) 00:28 eythian :) 00:28 lastnode how often does zebra-rebuild run by default? (cron) 00:29 eythian 15 minutes 00:29 lastnode gotcha 00:31 lastnode eythian: next to personal name, what does the RLIN field do? 00:31 eythian I think it's the field that holds a reference to the actual authority record, or something along those lines. 00:37 lastnode hmm editing records dont seem to be adding authorities now, posibly due to RLINvalue conflict, though im not being given an error. ive rebuilt zebra but the authorities of teh recrods i edited still dont show 00:37 * lastnode waits for the cron to run anyway 00:38 lastnode i used koha-rebuild-zebra 00:38 eythian if you run it with -v it tells you more about what's happening. 00:39 lastnode eythian: think i need the full path? koha-rebuild-zebra -v gave me nothing 00:40 eythian what about with --full 00:40 eythian it'll only do something if there's something to do 00:46 lastnode eythian: so the authorities (personal name) are added for some records when i edit, and for others no. even though all of the ones im editing have Personal Name 00:46 lastnode any idea why? 00:47 lastnode robert jordan got added twice, for one biblio item 00:52 lastnode ok it looks like koha-rebuild wasnt just rebuilding for me 00:52 lastnode the cron did it 00:59 lastnode thanks eythian rangi 01:00 lastnode eythian++ 01:00 lastnode rangi++ 01:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533> 02:14 rangi hmm bug 6891 02:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal 02:26 eythian initial India visa form filled out. That was a terrible task. 02:26 rangi sekjal++ 02:26 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 02:26 rangi im assuming it was he 03:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6200d4ae21a6e780fe221d0f873395f5d60c063c> / Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/histsearch.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fae07abcc69e430c84f7b4f3241c1fe21e7bd5ab> / Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cde 03:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 47 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 418 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 03:51 rangi i love git diff word-diff=color 03:54 rangi and now it works 03:55 rangi you there bg? 03:57 bg I am 03:57 rangi yay finally 03:58 rangi :) 03:58 bg sweet 03:58 bg just in time to sleep ;) 03:58 rangi heh 03:58 bg it only took them four hours to reboot the wrieless 03:58 bg I even told them I'd unplug it for them 03:59 rangi heh 04:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6679] Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679> 04:15 bg AHHHH so nice to be back 04:28 cait good morning #koha 04:28 eythian hi cait 04:28 cait hi :) 04:29 rangi hi cait 04:29 cait and hi rangi :) 04:32 cait @wunder konstanz 04:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.9�C (6:29 AM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady). 04:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #47: SUCCESS in 1 h 25 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/47/ 04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 04:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 04:34 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit 04:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #418: SUCCESS in 1 h 32 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/418/ 04:40 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit 04:40 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 4877 [ENH] Use DocBook for koha-common manual pages 04:40 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 4877 [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] install generated man pages with build process 04:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5675 : CheckReserves not honouring item level itemtypes preferences 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P4, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages 04:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6766 - Template variable scope errors in holds template 04:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6842 - Branch transfer limits broken 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5675 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , Returned items always trigger hold notification 04:40 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enh 6887: Add 'checked out from' column to issued items display tables 04:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic 04:40 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/histsearch.pl 04:40 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6766 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template variable scope errors in holds template 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Branch transfer limits broken 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 04:44 cait oh someone's busy :) 06:45 cait hi hdl 06:47 hdl1 hi Callender 06:47 hdl hi cait 06:47 hdl hi all 06:48 reiveune hi 06:48 wahanui hola, reiveune 07:25 kf good morning #koha :) 07:28 reiveune re-hi 07:28 kf hi reiveune 07:28 reiveune :) 07:29 kf :) 07:33 francharb hello all 07:34 kf hi francharb 07:34 francharb hi kf 07:53 kf hi sophie_m :) 07:53 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-) 07:57 rangi back 07:59 kf wb rangi 08:00 rangi thanks 09:05 Oak kia ora #koha 09:05 Oak kf 09:12 kf hi Oak :) 09:12 Oak :) 09:56 kf @later tell wizzyrea: something seems to be wrong with http://koha-community.org/about/history/ - check for the smileys to see what I mean 09:56 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 09:57 rangi it hasnt been updated for a while too 09:59 kf it has double entries 10:00 kf rangi: is it possible to configure the standard result list for bugzilla? 10:00 kf I keep adding patch status to all and every search, perhaps we could make it a defualt? 10:00 kf could replace priority 10:01 rangi not that i know of there isnt 10:01 rangi i removed the double entries, its still a year out of date 10:02 kf ok 10:06 kf @later tell wizzyrea: rangi repaired it but an update would be cool :) 10:06 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:06 kf hm 10:06 kf @later tell wizzyrea rangi repaird it but an update would be cool :) 10:06 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:07 rangi you spelt it right the first time 10:07 rangi @later tell wizzyrea kf can't spell tonight 10:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 10:08 kf there was a : 10:08 kf was not sure if he will like that or look for a wizzyrea: 10:09 rangi @later tell wizzyrea and she uses excess punctuation 10:09 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 10:09 kf @later tell wizzyrea and rangi can't read :P 10:09 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:09 rangi thats gonna confuse her in the morning ;) 10:09 kf hehe 10:09 rangi repaird :P 10:09 kf oh 10:09 kf hmpf 10:10 kf she will understand 10:10 rangi :) 10:10 rangi she'll probably read the log anyway 10:13 kf yep and shake her head at us 11:08 kf @wunder Konstanz 11:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 12:19 nengard hello #koha, i'm looking for a bug I thought I reported (that is fixed I think) where values aren't showing in the statistics wizards 12:20 oleonard Yeah, I thought I fixed that 12:21 oleonard Bug 6640 12:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template errors in defining default variable values causes information not to be displayed 12:22 oleonard Bug 6493 may sound more familiar 12:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6493 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Circulation Stats Wizard row contains no values 12:28 oleonard nengard: I thought the point of Bug 5874 was that you were *supposed* to have reports permission to access the overdues report. 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Overdue report : Limit by date & add a new permission to restrict who can run the report 12:29 nengard oleonard 6493 is it! 12:30 nengard oleonard, i don't think so on bug 5874 - i thought cic reports were on the circ page so that they were accessible to those with circ permissions without giving them report permissions 12:30 oleonard 6493 describes the symptoms of the problem, but 6640 deals with the root cause 12:30 nengard i have a few libraries who see it as a big bug 12:31 oleonard nengard: I'm just pointing out that someone filed 5874 because they thought it should work that way. So technically the bug is resolved, because it does what it set out to do. 12:31 nengard got it 12:31 nengard now - did i report a bug to say that i thought it was a bug? i thought I did - but I'm so damn fuzzy and my search skills seem to be lacking right now 12:34 kf hm 12:34 kf i want to sqash the 3 latest commits on a branch into one patch 12:35 kf but I have problems getting the syntax right 12:36 kf git rebase -i HEAD^^^ did it :) 12:39 nengard :) 14:06 wizzyrea mornin 14:07 wizzyrea cait I'm confused about my laters :P 14:07 wizzyrea what does it mean? 14:08 oleonard laters? 14:08 wizzyrea oh, never mind. The crucial first @later didn't come through! 14:09 oleonard Oh, @laters 14:09 wizzyrea ^^ that 14:10 druthb Puzzler re: Diacritics and labels--if you export in PDF, diacritics get mangled. Anyone seen this? There aren't any bugs in BZ about labels specifically. 14:10 oleonard laters are like the IRC equivalent of getting snail mail. So exciting. 14:10 oleonard druthb: I think it's a known bug 14:10 wizzyrea druthb: that is well known to NEKLS owners of pokémon 14:10 wizzyrea they just know to do those labels manually 14:11 oleonard I've heard chris_n rant before about the impossibility of getting PDFs to play nice with diacritics 14:11 wizzyrea ^^ 14:11 druthb Bug 2629 points at problems with searching diacritics, but there doesn't seem to be one about printing labels. 14:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Diacritics not being ignored when searching 14:12 wizzyrea I think that there may not be an official bug for it, but I know chris_n is aware of the issue 14:12 wizzyrea and like I said, our libraries just know to make that label manually 14:12 wizzyrea ping chris_n 14:13 druthb hm...just as a placeholder, I think I'll open a bug to it, so I can link to it from our tracker; we've got a couple of places reporting this one. 14:13 wizzyrea yes, definitely, I will confirm that bug. 14:14 wizzyrea who wants to go with me testing on 553 14:14 wizzyrea bug 5533 14:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places 14:14 druthb wizzyrea++ ; I confirmed what my new ticket was seeing by testing it on your site. ^.^ 14:15 wizzyrea woohoo! 14:17 druthb Bug 6899 added 14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly 14:21 oleonard chris_n will probably mark that "wontfix because it is unpossible" 14:22 druthb If the bug is in PDF::Reuse, that's one thing. There's one line in C4::Creators::PDF that talks about utf8, and it's conditional; I tried making it unconditional, but that didn't change anything. 14:25 druthb my_searching_skills-- 14:25 druthb Bug 6899 is a duplicate of Bug 2246. 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters 14:25 wizzyrea oh snap that's old 14:25 kf hehe 14:26 kf yep 14:26 kf and not really solvable with pdf it seems 14:26 * kf waves 14:26 wizzyrea is this a library that does a lot of stuff with diacritics? 14:27 kf wizzyrea: I notices some entries on the history page were doubled up, left you a later, chris corrected, noticed it's over a year old... and chris started teasing me about my typos 14:27 wizzyrea is it actually really utterly burdensome to do the labels manually? 14:27 wizzyrea our libraries don't really feel that it is 14:27 wizzyrea at least, I haven't heard complaints 14:27 druthb For a site with very, very large foreign-language collections--such as the one I'm wrangling right now--it'd be really a problem. 14:27 kf depends on the library I guess 14:27 kf I thin it was discussed to do a html version 14:28 * oleonard was wondering yesterday whether it was possible to automate the creation of ODF files 14:28 kf as a way to make all things print correctly 14:28 sekjal hi, all 14:28 kf instead of using pdf 14:28 wizzyrea hi sekjal 14:28 kf sekjal will now perhap 14:28 kf know 14:28 wizzyrea :D 14:28 sekjal oh, dear 14:28 sekjal know what? 14:28 oleonard The answer 14:28 wahanui the answer is always go back to sleep 14:28 kf label printing with diacritics 14:28 oleonard Nice one wahanui 14:28 wizzyrea ^^ 14:28 kf and plans to resolve the unicode/pdf problem :) 14:29 sekjal ah, for that we need HTML label format. then the browser/OS can handle the Print to PDF part 14:29 wizzyrea well there is a facility for getting the data out in CSV, they could do a mail merge 14:29 sekjal since the open tools for PDF creation are... limited 14:29 wizzyrea it's not quite a perfect workflow 14:29 wizzyrea but it would work 14:29 sekjal chris_n has a branch-in-progress for HTML label export, but it's not quite operational yet 14:29 sekjal last estimate he had, I believe, was another 40-50 hrs work 14:30 wizzyrea urf 14:31 kf urf 14:35 sekjal if I knew a bit more about OO Perl, I may be able to throw some effort at it, but at this point, it'd probably take me twice as long as chris_n to do anything helpful 14:36 * oleonard wonders what chris_n is up to these days 14:48 kf jcamins_away: around? 14:56 slef fun fun fun 14:56 slef hi all 14:57 sekjal hi slef 14:57 sekjal are there any special considerations I have to put into place to allow holds on 'On Order' materials? 14:58 sekjal using current master 14:58 wizzyrea oo 14:58 wizzyrea we have maybe some docs on that sekjal 14:58 wizzyrea sec 14:58 sekjal thx 14:58 oleonard ...something I should know. 14:58 wizzyrea http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/best-practices-for-cataloging-on-order-items/ 14:59 wizzyrea now, that's not going to be current master 15:00 wizzyrea but, could probably be adapted. 15:00 wizzyrea it's the way we're using it now 15:00 wizzyrea iirc 15:01 sekjal ok 15:01 sekjal will read 15:01 sekjal also working on a more robust patch for 6673.... too much multitasking! 15:01 wizzyrea :) 15:01 oleonard wizzyrea: What's the authorized value for "Ordered?" With us it's -1. I think it has to be negative to allow holds. 15:02 * wizzyrea will look 15:02 oleonard sekjal: Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with 6673 15:03 wizzyrea ours is -1 as well 15:04 sekjal oleonard: have you read my updates from last night? 15:05 oleonard Yes. I never test using the KohaAdmin account though. 15:06 wizzyrea I'm amazed that my catalogers haven't noticed this. 15:06 sekjal hmmmm 15:06 sekjal you'll get the error message in two cases 15:06 sekjal (okay, maybe more) 15:06 wizzyrea but their workflow is on existing added items, nothing in the repository 15:06 sekjal if the new batch cannot be created, or if any of the items cannot be added to it 15:06 sekjal the new batch cannot be created if the branchcode is improperly set 15:07 sekjal the items cannot be added if the import had duplicate barcodes 15:07 sekjal or if the import was reverted 15:14 sekjal okay, updated my patch on 6673 to remove all weird usage of LoginBranchname 15:16 oleonard So what Koha consortia "charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction 15:16 oleonard fees just to get their own data out!" ? 15:17 wizzyrea !!! 15:17 wizzyrea where did you see this? 15:17 oleonard bug 6891 15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal 15:19 wizzyrea well migrations from proprietary systems do cost money to complete? 15:20 wizzyrea i mean someones gotta wrangle that data into shape 15:20 wizzyrea and presumably they are paid to do it 15:20 wizzyrea NEKLS absorbs a lot of that cost for our members, but it does cost us to do, no matter the ILS 15:21 sekjal yeah, I'm going to have to call for a "cite source" on that remark 15:21 wizzyrea but 15:21 wizzyrea a couple thousand bucks simply to extract the data? 15:21 wizzyrea that seems a bit much. 15:22 wizzyrea my guess is he misunderstands what they're paying for. 15:22 wizzyrea (and it's possible the customer doesn't know either due to bad communication from the consortia) 15:22 sekjal maybe 15:23 wizzyrea I can certainly see how it would *appear* to a member library that the only work done with the library was when we come in and extract the data 15:23 sekjal probably not worth getting in a lather over 15:23 wizzyrea what they don't see is all the hours spent analyzing and refining the data to fit into a consortial system. 15:23 wizzyrea yea, I don't think so either. 15:24 wizzyrea a common format would certainly help with the hours spent analyzing and massaging, though. 15:24 gmcharlt format*s* 15:25 wizzyrea formats ;) 15:25 gmcharlt but that's just my preference for a set of small formats that each do their thing well rather than a huge unitary one 15:25 wizzyrea a common way of denoting fines and statistics would be most welcome. 15:32 nengard i'm having bug searching trouble today - my librarain skills are broken on drugs apparently - can anyone tell me if there is a bug report for the fact that you can't place holds on items that are on order? i know you used to, but now it seems to be controled by allowing on shelf holds and i wanted to update the bug report 15:32 * oleonard was not aware that it was broken 15:34 * wizzyrea either 15:35 nengard if you have allowonshelfholds off you can't place a hold on an ordered item 15:35 nengard apparently ? 15:36 * chris_n realizes he was the topic of conversation this morning :-) 15:36 wizzyrea that seems logical to me 15:36 wizzyrea the ordered item is 'on the shelf' 15:36 wizzyrea the solution would be to check out the item to cataloging 15:36 wizzyrea then people could place holds on it 15:36 oleonard chris_n: I thought that's what you materialized. We said your name too darn many times. 15:37 wizzyrea not a bug, imo 15:37 chris_n hehe 15:37 reiveune bye* 15:37 wizzyrea hello and goodbye 15:37 gmcharlt just with much happier results as compared to saying "hastur" three times 15:37 chris_n HTML labels is very doable 15:37 * wizzyrea doesn't try it 15:38 chris_n I got into it and then suddenly ran out of time 15:38 wizzyrea I love hearing things are doable 15:39 gmcharlt wizzyrea: would be a reasonable enhancement, though - think of renaming the AllowOnShelfHolds syspref to AllowHoldsOnAvailableItems 15:39 * chris_n loves hearing he has more time :-) 15:39 sekjal gmcharlt: "available" is not clearly defined in Koha, unfortunately 15:39 wizzyrea ^^ 15:40 sekjal and I think it would be to contextualized: available for loan, available for use, available for holds, etc 15:40 gmcharlt sekjal: but the concept behind the renaming stands 15:40 wizzyrea you're both right :) 15:41 wizzyrea well... an on order item technically is only available for reserves. 15:41 * wizzyrea sits down and shuts up. 15:44 sekjal AllowOnOrderHolds? 15:44 wizzyrea ^^ 15:44 sekjal but "on order" is controlled by the data, not by any explicit coding 15:44 sekjal that is, by current convention, notforloan == -1 15:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875> 15:45 sekjal and a library may or may not actually have that authorized value in their system 15:50 gmcharlt sekjal: which arguably ought to be buttoned up a bit so that code can count on knowing if an item is on order or not 16:00 * wizzyrea curses the yui buttons 16:00 wizzyrea makes selenium tests harder. 16:01 * druthb wonders if there's someone around who can give signoff to my teeny XSLT patch on Bug 6900. It's working on a test server for me, but there might be a better way to do that. 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present 16:02 jcamins_away druthb: I got it. 16:02 druthb jcamins++ 16:02 druthb thanx! 16:03 jcamins_away Wow, I just submitted and fixed bug 6800 a few weeks ago. 16:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better 16:03 jcamins_away There sure are a lot of bugs reported. 16:04 sekjal lots of Koha users 16:04 jcamins_away Yup. 16:04 jcamins_away I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just being impressed. 16:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6900] In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900> 16:11 jcamins_away druthb: it might be nice to have the word "Copies" lining up on the two lines, but it's definitely an improvement. 16:11 jcamins_away Signing off. 16:11 wahanui signing off is a great idea! 16:12 oleonard all the cool kids are doing it 16:12 druthb Hm. on my screen, they *do* line up. 16:12 jcamins_away Really? 16:13 jcamins_away I'm talking about horizontally. 16:13 wizzyrea oleonard: i'm poking at the search patch 16:13 wizzyrea i'm still not clear on what attributes we should be able to search by 16:13 * wizzyrea will roll it back and try searching for my attribute of "tabby" in additional attributes 16:14 wizzyrea never mind, I found it 16:26 kf jcamins_away: have a minute? 16:26 kf i am stuck on an xslt problem 16:27 kf what am I doing wrong here? :( http://paste.koha-community.org/50 16:28 jcamins_away kf: I do. 16:28 kf Language: ; ; <result 16:28 kf marc: =041 0\$alat$aang$asga 16:29 kf :) 16:29 wizzyrea nengard: I'm not quite done with this yet 16:29 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 16:29 wizzyrea but 16:29 wizzyrea better. 16:29 jcamins_away Ooh, nifty feature. 16:30 jcamins_away Try xsl:when test="text() = 'ang'" etc. 16:31 kf hm 16:31 kf not sure this is the problem 16:31 kf I had it working with this check for one language code 16:32 kf but the repeated ... 16:32 kf grr 16:33 kf oh 16:33 jcamins_away Yes, for-each changes the scope. 16:33 kf jcamins_away++++ :) 16:33 kf thd 16:33 kf thx 16:34 wizzyrea documentation? 16:34 wahanui i heard documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 16:34 wizzyrea documentation/ 16:34 wizzyrea documentation? 16:34 wahanui hmmm... documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 16:34 wizzyrea documentation? 16:34 wahanui i heard documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 16:34 * wizzyrea is impatient 16:34 kf hah! Language: Latin; German, Old High (ca. 750-1050) 16:48 oleonard Oh sekjal, didn't realize you'd left. I guess my PMs disappeared into the ether. 16:49 * oleonard looks disapprovingly at his chat client 16:49 sekjal oleonard: sorry, my wifi connection was terminated, so I had to relocate 17:39 wizzyrea cait, can you gurn off the analytics view in the OPAC? 17:39 wizzyrea it's frightening and confusing for my users >.> 17:40 wizzyrea mostly because it 404's 17:40 wizzyrea s/gurn/turn 17:40 cait hehe not yet 17:40 cait it's on my list 17:40 cait for tonight 17:40 wizzyrea lol ok 17:40 cait I wanted to talk to oleonard about it 17:40 cait is he still here? 17:40 cait I was thinking syspref vs. classes / ids in the xslt file 17:40 cait so you can turn off and on fields with css 17:40 * oleonard is here 17:40 wizzyrea i'm a fan of killing it with css 17:41 cait adding it to the summary spans 17:41 wizzyrea oh now they want to know what exactly it is supposed to do 17:41 * wizzyrea honestly has no idea 17:41 cait hehe 17:41 cait if oyu have analytics in your catalog it will bring up a result list for that 17:41 cait showing you the essays 17:41 cait should not bring up 404 actually 17:41 cait only an empty list of you have none 17:42 wizzyrea well, result not found I guess 17:42 cait yep 17:42 wizzyrea now that i look at it myself 17:42 wizzyrea i am pretty sure we do not have analytics in our catalog >.> 17:42 wizzyrea apparently. 17:42 cait so you are volunteering to sign off? :) 17:42 cait if I get it done tonight? 17:42 wizzyrea well yes 17:42 cait just got home, will eat dinner and get started on it 17:42 wizzyrea for the hiding 17:42 wizzyrea anyway 17:42 wizzyrea i have no idea how it works 17:42 cait oleonard: do you think this is an ok idea? 17:42 wizzyrea so... 17:43 * wizzyrea claims ignorance 17:43 cait wizzyrea: do you have an example in your catalog I could look at? 17:43 wizzyrea yea sec 17:43 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=469048 17:43 cait ok, this is a serial record 17:43 oleonard cait: All fields? So would have an XSLT file that showed everything, and libraries would hide what they didn't want? 17:43 cait ldr says so 17:44 cait oleonard: I thought it would make sense for some other fields perhaps too 17:44 cait and would be better than having sysprefs 17:44 wizzyrea and http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=469047 17:44 cait and you could also make something bold or chang eit easier if there were some individual id's or classes 17:44 cait but wanted to check with you if it's a bad idea for a reason I am not thinking about right now :) 17:45 * wizzyrea is glad there are brilliant people like cait and jcamins to do stuff with things like analytics 17:45 wizzyrea because I really have no idea. 17:45 cait hehe 17:45 cait let's say you catalog the essays in the serial 17:45 cait so people can search for them 17:45 cait some special libraries do that 17:45 cait you link them using 773 I think 17:45 cait to the serial 17:46 cait but the serial has no idea it has analytics (that's why I can't show the link only if there are analytics) 17:46 cait the link currently will show up automatically if it is a serial record 17:46 cait but I want to make it hidable 17:46 * cait is not brillian 17:46 cait t 17:46 cait brilliant would be a way to make the link only show up if there is something to be found 17:47 cait at the moment it's show everywhere or show nowhere 17:47 wizzyrea aha 17:47 wizzyrea she's going to tweak the ldr on those 2 records for now 17:47 wizzyrea to hide it 17:47 wizzyrea :P 17:48 wizzyrea but we will poke your patch when we see it 17:48 cait :) 17:48 cait ok 17:48 * cait needs more tea 17:49 * wizzyrea supports cait's tea habit 17:55 cait hehe 17:55 maximep trying to figure out the create order page... the Actual cost field is never saved in the db ? 17:56 cait maximep: it will when oyu enter it on receive I think 17:56 cait and it should 17:56 maximep but it is when you receive 17:56 cait yep 17:56 cait rangi told me it's on the order page too in case you want to skip the receive part - but that's not working now 17:56 cait probably a broken feature 17:56 maximep shouldn't the two be linked together ? 17:57 maximep because the replacement and budgeted cost are the same in the 2 interfaces 17:57 cait I would think so, at the momen the one on order seems not to be functional 17:57 maximep ok 17:57 maximep going to open a bug report then 17:57 maximep and do a patch 17:57 cait yay :) 17:57 maximep because without that, there's no way to modify the price 17:57 maximep after u receive 17:57 cait hm 17:57 cait ah 17:57 cait but it works 17:57 cait after receive 17:57 cait with a patch 17:58 cait that I signed off on these days 17:58 cait ahve you searched bugzilla for actual price? 17:58 cait there should be at least 2 bug reports about that 17:58 maximep bug 6414 17:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering 17:58 maximep but no patch 17:59 maximep let's see if theres another.. 17:59 cait ah, I have more 17:59 cait bug 4831 17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive 17:59 cait bug 6879 17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary 17:59 maximep wow lol 17:59 cait the first one has a patch 18:00 cait the second is a bigger problem - and I probably understand now what you mean and you are right 18:00 cait if you want to change the actual price after receive you need to modify the order line 18:00 cait and it shows the wrong value in there - I rreported that in 6879 18:01 maximep ok 18:01 * cait hopes she didn't scare you away :) 18:01 maximep 4831 doesn't seem to be the same problem 18:01 cait no 18:02 cait it's only connected to the actual price thing 18:02 cait and has a patch 18:02 cait so I wanted you to know :) 18:02 maximep that code is so hard to understand :/ 18:03 * cait sends chocolate 18:07 maximep it shows ecost in the actual cost of neworder, but I think it should show unitprice 18:08 maximep and be saved as unitprice 18:08 maximep I think that would fix both 6414 and 6879 18:08 cait I would say try it out and let me test :) 18:09 * wizzyrea is glad to vanquish bug 5533 18:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places 18:10 slef wizzyrea: I've a new cool plugin for wordpress. See it on my blog's comment forms. 18:10 wizzyrea slef forgive me, which blog? 18:11 maximep cait: ok, will send a patch to 6879 18:11 * wizzyrea likes neat plugins 18:11 slef arrrrrrrrgh 18:11 * slef goes to cut and paste it 18:11 wizzyrea oy! 18:12 slef autocomplete is biting me 18:12 slef cool new login links on http://www.news.software.coop/six-of-the-best-podcasts/1149/#comments 18:13 slef it's a hack of comments-with-openid to make it work more nicely with 3.2 18:13 slef I'll publish it RSN 18:13 wizzyrea ooo! 18:13 wizzyrea that is NEATO 18:14 wizzyrea so commenters don't have to have an actual blog account to post comments 18:14 wizzyrea ? 18:15 wizzyrea that is NEAT. 18:15 slef no, but I allow public to comment with moderation anyway 18:15 slef it just avoids them having to type in all three fields 18:16 slef as wordpress will go eat them from their profile 18:16 wizzyrea i like that 18:16 slef I'd like to add facebook and twitter but they make you register for API keys, which sucks 18:16 wizzyrea *nod* 18:17 slef I spend too much time fiddling with our wordpress because it is FUN already 18:17 wizzyrea :) wordpress *is* fun 18:17 oleonard Wait... slef? Fun? PHP? 18:17 * wizzyrea just goes with it 18:19 slef oleonard: the good thing of wordpress I don't have to write much PHP at any one time and rarely get stuck adding bloody echo(); commands to debug it. 18:19 slef it's reasonable 18:20 wizzyrea did you guys see this? 18:20 wizzyrea http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/19/ever-wondered-how-the-wikimedia-servers-are-configured/ 18:20 wizzyrea kind of awesome. 18:21 slef mediawiki is not fun 18:21 maximep puppet is sure cool 18:21 maximep once you create all your scripts and your configs 18:21 wizzyrea but it's cool to see how they've done stuff. 18:21 wizzyrea imo 18:21 slef yeah, it's one good way of doing things... we're a bit more ad-hoc by using git trees to share configs around 18:22 slef we still don't have many servers that are exactly the same configuration 18:22 slef maybe it'll be a 10th birthday present for us ;-) 18:22 wizzyrea :D 18:23 wizzyrea man I am loving schema.koha-community.org 18:24 maximep yeah I guess it's worth it if you have to install 40 servers with the same config :p 18:24 sekjal soliciting opinions: I'm working on bug 6403, and I'm wondering if it's worth having a syspref to control this, or to just do it automatically 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Record local use stats when checking in 18:26 sekjal right now, all my patch is doing, is if the item isn't issued when it's returned, changing the UpdateStats type from 'return' to 'localuse' 18:26 sekjal (and adding a message to the template noting "inhouse use recorded" 18:26 wizzyrea well 18:26 cait it goes into statistics table or will it increment the local use value? 18:26 cait I think the problem is lots of people are checking in stuff 18:26 wizzyrea ok, we use checkin to process incoming transfers 18:26 cait just to check what's up with it 18:26 wizzyrea is that a valud localuse? 18:26 cait so it would always count 18:26 wizzyrea valid* 18:27 cait and not only for the statistical user like before 18:27 cait and for this I think it should perhaps be a sys pref 18:27 cait I think local use would be if oyu have a thing like a reading room 18:27 wizzyrea sorry to make it harder sekjal :( 18:27 sekjal aside from the message, the only difference with the syspref on is that UpdateStats adds the entry as "localuse" instead of "return" 18:27 cait and want to track what people are bringing in there to read 18:28 sekjal doesn't add a new statistics table entry 18:28 * wizzyrea ponders this 18:28 sekjal just modifies the one that's already occurring 18:28 cait sekjal: so you are not incrementing the value in the item? the localusething? 18:28 cait I thought there was a value in items for this... but perhaps I am mistaken 18:29 sekjal cait: I don't believe there is such an item value 18:29 cait and that you would use the statistical patron to incrmeent that by checkout 18:29 sekjal at least, if there is, it's not updating it when a statistical patron is used, either 18:29 wizzyrea yea that's gotta be a syspref. 18:29 wizzyrea as an example, we wouldn't want every item checked in to fill a hold to be a localuse 18:30 sekjal but it should be recorded as 'return'? 18:30 wizzyrea we, specifically, don't do anything with return statistics 18:30 wizzyrea precisely for this reason 18:30 wizzyrea because return stats are bloated by reserves 18:30 cait hm you are probably right 18:30 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/trackinhouse.html 18:31 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/addstatspatron.html 18:31 sekjal so... the robust solution would be to breakdown the UpdateStats type even more intelligently 18:31 cait so you could still use a statistical user for specific stuff 18:31 sekjal so returns are indeed all returns, localuse all localuse, holds are hold, etc. etc 18:31 wizzyrea ^^ yes, sadly this 18:32 cait maximep++ 18:32 * wizzyrea knows that's a lot more work. 18:32 cait sekjal: I think you are right 18:32 cait wizzyrea: the new search for the manual is great 18:32 sekjal okay, well that's outside the scope of today's project. I'll just put the syspref in there, then, as originally planned 18:32 wizzyrea I do my best 18:32 wizzyrea but I'm glad you like it 18:35 cait wizzyrea: bug 6901 18:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views 18:36 wizzyrea k. food, then that. 18:37 cait wizzyrea: not there yet, only the bug is there now ;) 18:37 wizzyrea hehe 18:37 wizzyrea k 18:45 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "For cait: jQuery show/hide example" (142 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51 18:45 cait oleonard++ 18:45 cait :) 18:46 cait thank you! 18:47 oleonard You're very welcome 18:48 slef so wizzyrea you want me to post that modified plugin then? ;-) 18:56 cait nengard++ 19:10 jcamins_away Ooh, does anyone want to join the Dark Side? They're hiring. 19:10 cait I am not tempted 19:10 jcamins_away Lightsaber and scary mask not included. 19:10 cait lol 19:10 jcamins_away Well... what if they offered you a lightsaber or scary mask? 19:10 jcamins_away Or black cape! 19:10 * cait was wondering: how das yoda speak in english? 19:10 cait dark the other side is? 19:10 jcamins_away Yup. 19:11 cait shut up yoda and eat your toast... 19:11 jcamins_away :) 19:11 cait sorry, couln#t resist 19:11 oleonard Where'd you see that jcamins_away ? 19:11 jcamins_away oleonard: sith-l? ;) 19:11 jcamins_away Autocat. 19:12 oleonard sith-l is a very well-behaved list. Anyone who leaves their vacation auto-responder turned on gets force-choked. 19:13 jcamins_away [off] Dark Side in Utah, not Dark Side on the East Coast. 19:13 cait ok 19:13 cait something did go wrong here 19:13 cait runtime error: file /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl line 143 element choose Variable 'UseAuthoritiesForTracings' has not been declared. at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/XSLT.pm line 178 :( 19:13 cait oleonard: lol 19:14 jcamins_away cait: the variables at the top are now scoped wrong. 19:14 cait are now? 19:14 cait what have I done? 19:14 jcamins_away Probably deleted an <xsl:if>? 19:15 cait checking... 19:16 jcamins_away Wait... that error doesn't make sense. 19:16 cait no 19:16 jcamins_away Oh, I see. 19:16 cait perhaps it does not like spaces in attributes? 19:16 jcamins_away Two line numbers. 19:17 cait yes? 19:17 jcamins_away Wait a minute. 19:17 * oleonard flees 19:18 cait oh that's nice 19:18 cait master is broken oto 19:18 cait to it was not ME 19:19 jcamins_away No it's not. 19:19 jcamins_away Someone rearranged things a bit. 19:19 cait ok 19:19 jcamins_away Add this line in that template: <xsl:variable name="UseAuthoritiesForTracings" select="marc:sysprefs/marc:syspref[@name='UseAuthoritiesForTracings']"/> 19:19 cait which commit was it? 19:20 jcamins_away I'm not sure. 19:20 cait hm 19:20 jcamins_away One of the problem commits was f087137f, which had a one-line change I didn't notice. 19:20 jcamins_away However, I think there's another, more recent commit, too, where a line was removed, probably. 19:24 cait xslt pm? 19:25 jcamins_away No, it's all scoping in the XSLTs. 19:25 jcamins_away The error is because m880select is getting called in a context where the variables aren't defined. 19:27 cait oh 19:27 cait where 19:27 jcamins_away I don't know. :( 19:27 jcamins_away And I'm trying to write a paper right now, so I can't really look. 19:37 cait jcamins++ 19:38 cait saving my evening :) 19:40 jcamins_away :) 19:47 rangi hi trea 19:47 trea rangi, hello 19:47 trea how's well? anymore hail? 19:48 trea welly* 19:48 rangi nope not for about a week anyway 19:48 rangi it better be fine tomorrow 19:48 rangi going to the usa vs australia game 19:49 trea no kidding. iirc hail is pretty unusual isn't it? 19:49 rangi this time of year, yep 19:49 wizzyrea lordie ohloh is slow today! 19:49 wizzyrea wtfizzle 19:50 rangi heh 19:54 cait ah,now oleonard is gone 19:54 cait which css file do I add a new class to? 19:54 cait that is used in xslt files for staff and opac? 19:54 rangi both 19:54 rangi I reckon 20:01 wizzyrea this might be a dumb question 20:01 wizzyrea can you bring in a record with items and directly overlay 20:01 rangi when importing? 20:01 rangi overlay the items? 20:02 wizzyrea example, you have a bib with 3 items all checked out, as part of a batch process you want to overlay the items to edit one or several of the barcodes 20:02 wizzyrea what does that do to the current issue/ 20:02 wizzyrea if anything 20:02 cait no items overlay 20:02 cait once a barcode is in 20:02 cait the items never get touched or changed in any way 20:02 cait only overlay for records 20:02 cait you can overlay and add items 20:02 rangi what she said 20:03 cait hehe 20:03 wizzyrea ty 20:03 wizzyrea that's really helpful :) 20:03 cait sorry :) 20:03 wizzyrea cait++ 20:03 wizzyrea no no 20:03 wizzyrea don't be sorry 20:06 cait wizzyrea: I have staff ready in 3 minutes 20:06 cait last proof read 20:06 wizzyrea k 20:06 cait I had to do a bit more to fix things for original script 880 fields 20:06 cait I will attach some sample records - is this ok for you? 20:06 rangi I should win lotto 20:07 rangi and donate the money to the make wizzy and cait work on koha fulltime fund 20:07 wizzyrea yep 20:07 wizzyrea lol 20:07 cait totally 20:07 cait does the fund include regular trips to nz? 20:08 rangi it does now 20:09 cait ya 20:09 cait y 20:11 cait :) 20:12 cait wizzyrea: staff is ready for testing :) 20:12 wizzyrea k 20:44 cait wizzyrea++ 20:46 jcamins_away Goodness! What a lot of activity from ByWaterians! 20:50 cait hm? 20:51 jcamins_away cait: when I came back to my computer, there was a screen full of joins, parts, and nick changes from ByWaterians. 20:52 cait ah 20:54 jcamins_away Wow, that was fast signing off. 20:54 rangi kapow! 20:56 rangi its married NateC 20:56 cait oh! 20:56 cait congratulations NateC 20:57 NateC It is I 20:57 NateC Thanks Cait 20:57 jcamins_away Congratulations, NateC! 20:57 rangi natec 20:57 NateC Hiya rangi and #koha 20:57 rangi hmm 20:57 NateC thanks jcamins 20:57 rangi natec? 20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE 20:57 rangi lol 20:57 rangi that totally didnt work right 20:57 NateC nice 20:57 jcamins_away natec? 20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE 20:57 cait ? 20:57 rangi i wrote 20:58 rangi i like space and my wife 20:58 rangi and it did that ;) 20:58 cait rofl 20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: forget natec 20:58 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot natec 20:58 cait I think you have to escape it 20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: NateC is <reply>I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 20:58 wahanui OK, jcamins_away. 20:58 jcamins_away natec? 20:58 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND jcamins_away's WIFE 20:58 jcamins_away Nope. 20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: forget natec 20:58 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot natec 20:58 cait NateC is <reply> I LIKE SPACE AND \MY WIFE 20:58 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 20:59 rangi natec? 20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 20:59 rangi :) 20:59 cait :) 20:59 wizzyrea lol you guys 20:59 bg Natec? 20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 20:59 cait saw robin doing that... and that 20:59 cait germs? 20:59 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 20:59 bg NateC? 20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 21:00 rangi eythian++ 21:00 druthb cait? 21:00 wahanui i heard cait was kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me 21:00 * druthb blinks. 21:00 cait rangi: meany 21:00 jcamins_away That's even better than mine! 21:01 * trea chuckles 21:01 druthb jcamins? 21:01 wahanui jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra 21:01 * druthb blinks again. 21:01 cait druthb? 21:01 wahanui druthb is a travelin' woman. 21:01 cait hm 21:01 druthb trea? 21:01 rangi melia? 21:01 wahanui I LIKE BEER AND I LOVE ANSWERING RFP 21:01 * druthb pokes wahanui. 21:01 * wizzyrea giggles 21:01 jcamins_away Ooh, I'd forgotten about the end of that. Mine is pretty epic after all. :) 21:01 melia yes rangi? 21:01 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 21:01 * wizzyrea giggles more 21:01 druthb trea is the other half of the wizzyrea. 21:02 libsysguy looks like i wandered into some afternoon silliness 21:02 cait *giggles too* 21:02 wizzyrea that's not fair! 21:02 rangi melia: nothing, just seeing what the bot thinks about you ;) 21:02 rangi melia? 21:02 wahanui I LIKE BEER AND I LOVE ANSWERING RFP 21:02 druthb wizzyrea? 21:02 rangi its funny cos its TRUE!! 21:02 druthb hmpf. 21:02 rangi :) 21:03 wizzyrea trea? 21:03 wahanui I LIKE THE UKULELE AND GINGER ALE! 21:03 * wizzyrea nods 21:03 trea lulz 21:03 druthb wizzyrea? 21:03 wahanui wizzyrea is the other half of the trea 21:03 trea "better" half 21:03 druthb it appears that several of us are all PMing wahanui...poor thing will have a fit shortly. 21:04 cait hehe 21:04 cait wahanui botsnack baldrian 21:04 wahanui thanks cait :) 21:04 druthb talljoy? 21:04 wahanui I CRUNCH DATA 21:04 druthb lol 21:04 jcamins_away change something to what? 21:04 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 21:04 sekjal rangi: feature freeze is coming up soon, isn't it? 21:04 rangi yup 21:04 rangi tomorrow 21:04 wahanui tomorrow is pizza friday! 21:04 cait very very soon 21:04 rangi your time 21:05 sekjal okay 21:05 rangi anything in the queue for signoff is fair game 21:05 sekjal I've got a couple last-minute enhancements we're testing internally, with hope of submission today/tomorrow 21:05 rangi get them submitted today or tomorrow and they will be in consideration for 3.6.0 21:05 druthb wahanui: botsnack valium 21:05 wahanui thanks druthb :) 21:06 sekjal cool 21:06 sekjal two features: Novelist Select enhanced content, and in-house use recorded on checkin of unissued items 21:06 rangi ahh saw that 21:06 rangi novelist one 21:07 rangi yeah, those both sound like ones that should be fairly safe 21:09 * druthb hopes her itty bitty patch makes it in...got a go-live soon that wants it. 21:09 sekjal druthb: was that bug 6900 21:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present 21:09 sekjal ? 21:09 jcamins_away druthb: the one I just signed off on? 21:09 * libsysguy was hoping hourly would make it in too 21:10 druthb that's the one. 21:10 libsysguy but I don't think its going to happen 21:10 * jcamins_away hopes that bug 6800 makes it in. 21:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better 21:11 jcamins_away Since no one else seems to use reverse proxies, getting it signed off is kind of tricky. 21:12 libsysguy maybe if i chant it...bug 5549 bug 5549 hehe 21:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 21:13 jcamins_away libsysguy: does that work? If it does, maybe I should chant "bug 6800"... ;) 21:14 libsysguy i think we have to chant sekjal with the bug number 21:14 libsysguy perhaps he'll just become irritated and push us lol 21:14 cait hehe 21:15 cait sekjal humansnack cookies 21:15 sekjal I will try to take as many QA priority requests as I can in this next month 21:15 * druthb will be driving 650 miles this weekend, touching two towns that are both named "Columbia" along the way... 21:15 jcamins_away Well, rangi does the pushing. sekjal needs to pass us first. ;) 21:15 cait rangi: is srdjan in today? 21:15 libsysguy oh no we are like hot potatoes 21:15 cait perhaps he could fix the small problem on the acq bug I was testing this morning... 21:15 wizzyrea trea? 21:15 wahanui i heard trea was the support in the darkness. The watcher of the tickets. He is the fire that keeps errant cats happy, the light that brings code updates, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds. 21:15 rangi he works for catalyst australia 21:15 libsysguy and sekjal we should have some kind of voting system on koha-community lol 21:15 cait ! 21:15 wizzyrea LOL 21:15 rangi its only 7.15am there 21:15 cait didn't know that 21:16 * druthb blinks. 21:16 rangi so will be in an, in a a little bit 21:16 cait wow trea 21:16 sekjal libsysguy: yes 21:16 jcamins_away How poetic. 21:16 wizzyrea trea++ 21:16 wizzyrea that's awesome 21:16 trea1 lol, yea. gotta love game of thrones 21:16 rangi heh 21:16 druthb gosh, I ain't nuffin up next to that! 21:17 * wizzyrea claims him. You can't have him! 21:17 libsysguy druthb we were talking about you today during lunch 21:17 sekjal I'd like to see a voting mechanism for the community 21:17 druthb ruh roh 21:17 druthb yes, libsysguy? 21:17 libsysguy we were all wondering when you were coming to visit us 21:17 wahanui somebody said libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 21:17 sekjal but that would require some kind of registration process 21:17 cait sekjal: voting for? 21:17 libsysguy sekjal true...can we just use open ID 21:17 druthb "all," libsysguy? 21:18 sekjal cait: voting on anything anyone proposes 21:18 cait hm 21:18 sekjal somethign a little more official (and accessible) than IRC 21:18 cait we could use something like doodle 21:18 cait ah 21:18 libsysguy well...actually we just weren't going to tell you know who...we are all kind of hoping she'll stroke when you show up then we won't have to deal with her anymore 21:18 druthb libsysguy: lol. I was wonderin'. such a pity. But at the moment, not sure when I'll be down that way. 21:19 libsysguy druthb: that is sad 21:19 libsysguy we'll set you up with all the WiFi you can use :) 21:19 cait :) 21:19 * cait giggles thinking about wifi and nz 21:20 * cait did a bus trip with a lot of internet addicted people 21:20 libsysguy that is me!! 21:20 melia hey, I signed off a patch (with Brendan's help)! 21:20 cait yay! 21:20 cait melia++ :) 21:20 libsysguy yay!! 21:20 bg yay! 21:20 libsysguy melia++ 21:20 rangi melia++ 21:20 trea1 \o/ 21:21 cait :) 21:21 druthb libsysguy: If I come use your wifi, then you'll have to run me off eventually, so your problem child can come back to work. 21:21 sekjal alright, folks, been fun, but I've got to dash 21:21 sekjal have a great night 21:21 libsysguy later sekjal 21:21 cait bye sekjal :) 21:21 cait hi eythian :) 21:21 libsysguy druthb: no you can just come replace her...we can put you on the payroll :) 21:21 * cait corrects that to mr robin 21:22 rangi that was just his computer, hes not at his desk yet 21:22 cait hmpf :) 21:22 jcamins_away He's had some connectivity issues, I've noticed. 21:22 druthb hm... let's see...how tempted am I to leave ByWater and go work circ in a state where the legislature tried to erase my very existence.... nope, not very. 21:23 libsysguy sad day for libsysguy 21:23 libsysguy also...this made me giggle http://i.imgur.com/uVCM4.jpg 21:23 rangi lol 21:24 druthb you wouldn't want me to come work there, libsysguy...the thing I'm most-qualified for is to replace *you.* *evil grin* 21:24 * libsysguy runs and hides 21:25 libsysguy actually...they are going to need somebody when I leave next year 21:25 cait hehe 21:25 rangi someone is playing a mandolin in the office 21:25 cait druthb: how are german laws? 21:25 rangi i work with some random people 21:26 jcamins_away cait: so far as I know, mandolins are legal. 21:26 rangi lol 21:26 cait lol 21:29 druthb not sure, cait, but anyplace that *doesn't* have Rick Perry in the executive offices is better off than one that does. 21:29 druthb he and his cronies darn near took away my right to ever move back to TX and get married--and would revoke my birth certificate, if they could. 21:30 cait :( 21:31 druthb it worries me greatly that he might become President. Imma thinking ByWater needs to open a Pac Rim office, if that happens. 21:32 druthb ...or a Eurozone office...or a Martian office...somewhere far, far from here. 21:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c453a45f384ce87a8af4ab9339fb877b11a79105> 21:37 rangi that was a nasty one 21:38 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jAr466DJc&feature=player_embedded#! 21:38 wizzyrea because, well. 21:38 wizzyrea you'll see. 21:38 wizzyrea we need to make one for the ILS 21:38 wizzyrea in the library 21:38 rangi oh yeah 21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 419 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:39 druthb wizzyrea++ 21:46 wizzyrea i'm not sure I deserved karma for that but thanks 21:47 jcamins_away wizzyrea++ 21:47 wizzyrea seriously guys 21:47 wizzyrea @karma 21:47 huginn wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (403), "oleonard" (320), and "gmcharlt" (263). Lowest karma: "<!" (-107), "failed" (-67), and "-" (-37). You (wizzyrea) are ranked 4 out of 1701. 21:48 wizzyrea that just aint right 21:48 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea 21:48 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 234 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 234. 21:48 druthb @most increased 21:48 huginn druthb: "rangi": 408, "oleonard": 325, "gmcharlt": 268, "wizzyrea": 234, "chris_n": 206, "nengard": 194, "cait": 164, "sekjal": 158, "druthb": 119, "paul_p": 113, "jcamins": 101, "slef": 98, "magnuse": 84, "kf": 76, "hdl_laptop": 60, "hdl": 59, "jwagner": 53, "eythian": 52, "biblibre": 46, "atz": 44, "thd": 42, "fredericd": 39, "pianohacker": 39, "larsw": 37, and "Colin": 29 21:48 wizzyrea there is no way I deserve to be above chris_n and sekjal. 21:48 wizzyrea chris_n++ sekjal++ 21:49 wizzyrea kf++ 21:49 wizzyrea cait++ 21:49 cait huh? 21:49 jcamins_away Ooh, I've broken 100! 21:49 jcamins_away @karma jcamins_away 21:49 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 21:49 druthb I had been hoping to catch sekjal, but the blocks have gotten longer.... 21:49 wizzyrea well you did that lovely thing to the opac 21:49 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 21:49 wizzyrea goldurnit. 21:49 jcamins_away @karma sekjal 21:49 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 159 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 158. 21:50 cait hi gmcharlt :) 21:53 jcamins_away MariaDB is pretty nifty looking. 21:53 rangi it should just drop in 21:54 rangi worth having a try with sometime 21:54 jcamins_away Does it support InnoDB? 21:54 rangi innodb sux 21:54 rangi tere 21:54 rangi there i said it 21:54 rangi ;) 21:54 gmcharlt but regardless, MariaDB does support it 21:54 jcamins_away rangi: but isn't that what we use in Koha? 21:55 rangi yup, in a lot of places we shouldnt 21:55 gmcharlt jcamins_away: chris_n did some poking around with mariadb a while back 21:55 gmcharlt the main thing is that mariadb by default enforces stricter SQL standards compliance than mysql does 21:55 gmcharlt so it would require a bit of patch for Koha to work on it 21:55 jcamins_away rangi: shouldn't we stop using InnoDB in those places, then? 21:56 rangi i think so 21:56 rangi places im thinking about 21:56 gmcharlt on the other hand, stricter SQL checking is a Good Thing 21:56 rangi is the statistics table 21:56 rangi sessions 21:56 cait oleonard++ 21:56 rangi and a few others 21:57 jcamins_away We use InnoDB for sessions? 21:57 rangi we used to, we blanket converted everything 21:57 rangi i think a recent patch fixed sessions 21:58 gmcharlt my favorite storage engine for sessions is ... memcached ;) 21:58 * rangi looks 21:58 rangi yup, thts what i use too ;) 21:59 rangi DROP TABLE IF EXISTS sessions; 21:59 rangi CREATE TABLE sessions ( `id` varchar(32) NOT NULL, `a_session` text NOT NULL, UNIQUE KEY id (id) 21:59 rangi ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8; 21:59 rangi nope we still use it 21:59 cait I think it was talked about on the mailing list recently 21:59 rangi zebraqueue is another one 21:59 rangi we dont have any foreign keys 21:59 rangi we arent doing transactions 22:00 rangi not winning anything except slow with innodb on that table 22:00 rangi when im not RM 22:00 rangi ill make myself a pest rejigging the database and getting it running on postgres at least as well as mysql 22:01 * jcamins_away didn't realize zebraqueue was InnoDB. 22:01 wizzyrea oh! 22:01 wizzyrea time to go! 22:01 wizzyrea later peps 22:01 rangi take a look at kohastructure.sql jcamins_away 22:01 rangi pretty much everything is 22:02 rangi cya wizzyrea 22:02 jcamins_away rangi: yeah, unless you're me, and decided to change zebraqueue to MyISAM. 22:02 jcamins_away And sessions. 22:02 jcamins_away Seems to work fine. 22:02 rangi yup 22:02 jcamins_away I don't even remember doing that, but my DB's been around the block a few times. 22:04 jcamins_away Some time I should take a look, see if I've been using MyISAM for any other tables. 22:06 rangi :) 22:06 cait wizzyrea: bye :) 22:06 jcamins_away I should also figure out if I have any custom indexes. 22:07 cait rangi: does your rejigging involve getting rid of all thos eunused columns? 22:07 rangi yup 22:07 cait rangi: or more consistent use of datatypes? 22:07 rangi seems like the perfect opportunity 22:07 * cait agrees 22:07 rangi and reserved names 22:07 rangi so we dont have to backtick things 22:07 * cait nods 22:08 * rangi looks forward to breaking everything 22:08 cait hehe 22:08 cait we will fix things 22:08 cait after you break them 22:08 cait only fair 22:08 jcamins_away And by "we," cait means "you." :P 22:08 rangi heh 22:08 cait no 22:08 cait she doesn't! 22:09 cait :) 22:09 cait but i would appreciate someone fixing 6881 22:09 cait bug 6881 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6881 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Can't accept suggestions 22:09 cait although I am a bit scared git blame will blame me 22:10 rangi ahh 22:10 rangi i might get a chance to look a tthat today 22:11 cait i was in there doing template changes recently 22:11 * cait confesses now 22:12 cait and before i get myself into more trouble... 22:12 cait i should go to bed :) 22:12 cait bye #koha :) 22:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65e65d7c37e052e6fa8253001f47c497e22e6fd3> / Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e91a453aa5a693c7e15c6e82f14e66471b3ec98> 22:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #419: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/419/ 22:27 jenkins_koha srdjan: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading 22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 420 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:33 rangi hmm it was cait :) 22:33 rangi nvm, fixed now 22:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6881] Can't accept suggestions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6881> 22:47 rangi i think that holds the record for my smallest patch eve 22:47 rangi r 22:47 rangi :) 22:48 gmcharlt it's figuring out where to aim the hammer ... 22:48 rangi :) 22:50 jcamins_away rangi: eythian is the person to talk to about the nagios plugins for Koha? 22:50 eythian yep 22:50 jcamins_away eythian: good morning. 22:50 eythian hiya 22:52 jcamins_away eythian: so, any chance I could persuade you to share those plugins? 22:52 eythian of course, one moment 22:52 jcamins_away eythian++ 22:54 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=nagios;h=9a09915fd3f241d4e6ea6dd8b49d4b65a3b26c6d;hb=refs/heads/nagios <-- jcamins_away, all the code is in nagios/, and the branch name is nagios. 22:54 jcamins_away Cool! 22:54 jcamins_away Thanks! 22:55 eythian It doesn't understand the packages, as I did it for a client who isn't yet using them, but it's been on my todo for a while to make it hook into them and be a bit smarter. 22:55 jcamins_away There's even a readme! Awesome! 22:55 eythian But that's hopefully enough for you to get going. 22:55 eythian :) 22:55 jcamins_away Yup. 22:55 jcamins_away This leaves only one more technical issue that I haven't figured out. 22:55 jcamins_away :) 22:55 jcamins_away Well, that I haven't cribbed a solution to off of you. 22:55 eythian what's that? 22:55 eythian heh 22:55 * jcamins_away takes lots of credit for cribbing all your solutions. 22:56 eythian I'm OK with that ;) 22:56 jcamins_away When I need to do upgrades for my two small clients on different days. 22:56 eythian beer is a suitable trade :) 22:56 eythian on the same machine? 22:56 jcamins_away Right. 22:57 eythian we don't do that, we schedule a time to do it all at once. 22:57 jcamins_away Using the packages makes it so much easier to manage the server, and upgrades are a snap, but I encountered a situation where I have to do one upgrade one week, and the other the next week 22:57 jcamins_away I went with the "move client B to a spare server temporarily" option. 22:58 eythian yeah, that's probably the easiest way. 22:58 jcamins_away But I'm not sure I'd raise that to the level of "solution." More like "work-around." 22:58 eythian at least a koha-dump/koha-restore should take care of it quickly. 22:59 eythian Yeah, having multiple versions of packages at the same time is very difficult, and not something I'd like to have to support. 22:59 jcamins_away Yeah, and these are tiny installations. 23:00 eythian hmm, I just noticed the nrpe_local.cfg is empty 23:00 eythian I wonder what happened there. 23:00 jcamins_away I'm thinking the way to automate it would be to have a separate chroot jail for the system that gets upgraded first, then once the other is ready, switch it back to the main root. 23:00 * eythian goes and grabs a copy from the server. 23:01 eythian that's an option, although not too different from having another server really. 23:02 jcamins_away Yeah, but with the difference that I could probably script it all, whereas I don't have the ability to script a move between servers. 23:02 eythian ah right 23:02 eythian good point 23:02 jcamins_away (not saying it couldn't be done, just that I couldn't do it) 23:10 jcamins_away But, anyway, you don't have any suggestions for how to do it other than the alternate server/chroot/vm option, correct? 23:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #420: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/420/ 23:14 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns 23:14 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items 23:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson 23:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present 23:15 eythian jcamins_away: not really I'm afraid. 23:16 jcamins_away eythian: I didn't really expect you to have an answer, though you have had answers for every other technical difficulty that presented itself... thanks for thinking about it. :) 23:16 jcamins_away eythian++ # for solving problems 23:16 eythian heh :) if I really had to do it, I'd probably chuck a git checkout onto it and run from that for the week 23:18 jcamins_away Hm. I guess that would probably make more sense. 23:20 jcamins_away Just change the paths in koha-conf.xml and the Apache conf file. 23:20 jcamins_away Even easier than a chroot. Cool! 23:28 eythian yeah 23:35 eythian oh, my kohacon flying-home time has changed, so I don't have to be up at godawful in the morning the day after the conference. 23:35 eythian that's good 23:53 jcamins_away eythian: check to make sure they didn't move the second leg to the next day. 23:55 eythian jcamins_away: no, it ends up I leave about 4 hours later, and arrive here about 2 hours later. 23:56 eythian a net gain really 23:57 jcamins_away Very nice.