Time  Nick          Message
23:07 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5459] merging records loses holds from one <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459>
22:08 aarkerio      thanks!
21:53 wizzyrea      getting listed is at http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/how-to-get-listed/
21:52 aarkerio      Hi! how can I add my company to:   http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
21:38 wizzyrea      on that one.
21:38 * wizzyrea    will try again tomorrow.
21:38 wizzyrea      weird.
21:38 wizzyrea      yea
21:38 wizzyrea      gnite
21:38 cait          weird!
21:38 cait          good night #koha
21:38 wizzyrea      no
21:38 cait          and sleep time
21:38 cait          ?
21:38 cait          if you undo the hiding thing, does it cound normally=
21:35 * wizzyrea    tries again
21:35 wizzyrea      actually, I can't make it show the right numbering ever?
21:33 * wizzyrea    doesn't fully understand what the deal is with the numbering
21:32 cait          but this thing about the numbering happens because it's hiding biblios... right?
21:32 wizzyrea      except for the thing about the numbering.
21:32 wizzyrea      hmm.
21:32 wizzyrea      has been answered
21:31 wizzyrea      well I think the question of "pass or don't pass this patch"
21:31 cait          or make it possible to secure fields from being overwritten during import
21:31 cait          but I can see it as an enh
21:31 cait          so hiding it with hidiing items would be cool :)
21:30 cait          when something in the record is changed on union catalog level
21:30 wizzyrea      oof
21:30 cait          because the 942 $n would be overwritten
21:30 cait          wizzyrea: worse, it doesnot work with our union catlaog setting
21:30 cait          and if all items are damaged or lost and you want to hide those, the print records should be hidden too
21:30 wizzyrea      but it's not automatic
21:30 cait          in german catalogs an ebook would always have it's own record
21:30 wizzyrea      you can hide them, with the 942$n = 1
21:29 cait          but perhaps should be an option
21:29 cait          and it would be nice to be able to hide them
21:29 cait          I think empty bibs are bad
21:29 cait          hm
21:28 wizzyrea      ok I feel better now.
21:27 wizzyrea      but, probably not in the scope of this particular patch
21:27 wizzyrea      an empty bib that confuses patrons -> i.e. "do they have this? it looks like they should... but I can't have it" is bad.
21:27 rangi         specially since you might never find out they arent showing up
21:27 rangi         so i dont think we can automatically hide them, i think that would be worse than having empty
21:26 wizzyrea      I get that
21:26 wizzyrea      no an empty bib isn't inherently bad
21:26 wizzyrea      (i.e. if people would use the right framework for their ILL, it'd never show up in the first place)
21:26 rangi         because the biblio might have an ebook link
21:26 rangi         but that might not be a bad thing
21:26 wizzyrea      (bad cataloging)
21:25 rangi         yup
21:25 wizzyrea      but it might be a people problem
21:25 wizzyrea      I can definitely envision a scenario in NExpress where hiding the items would leave empty bibs
21:25 rangi         and another bug to offer the option to hide biblios when all items are hidden would be a goodish approach
21:25 wizzyrea      that's fair
21:24 rangi         so you are scope creeping it
21:24 rangi         not to hide biblios
21:24 rangi         i personally think the syspref and code is to hide items
21:24 wizzyrea      but you see my conundrum
21:24 rangi         yeah
21:24 wizzyrea      "or don't"
21:24 wizzyrea      "set the 942$n = 1 when all bibs will be hidden"
21:24 rangi         but even then, you still mgith want to show some and not others
21:23 rangi         hide biblios with all items hidden
21:23 rangi         you'd have an option
21:23 rangi         if you were gonna do it right
21:23 wizzyrea      yea, so you're pretty well damned if you do damned if you don't
21:23 rangi         or unintentionally hidden biblios in the other case
21:22 wizzyrea      so you'd have unintentionally empty bibs set out there
21:22 rangi         how would you do it, if it starting hiding your bibs
21:22 wizzyrea      you may or may not know that all of the items are suppressed
21:22 rangi         what if you want to show a bib and not its items
21:21 wizzyrea      is what if you suppress a class of items
21:21 cait          I am not going to shoot you, because that makes sense so far :)
21:21 wizzyrea      what I'm seeing, for example
21:21 wizzyrea      so
21:21 wizzyrea      you have to go set it
21:21 wizzyrea      bib suppression is manual
21:21 wizzyrea      and it hides them all
21:21 wizzyrea      you give it a class of items to hide
21:21 wizzyrea      but item suppression is kind of automatic
21:21 wizzyrea      ;)
21:21 wizzyrea      and you probably will
21:21 wizzyrea      and you can totally shoot me down
21:20 wizzyrea      well here's what I'm thinking
21:20 rangi         942n
21:20 rangi         otherwise you'd just do what sekjal said
21:19 rangi         i think you have chosen to show the bib and not the items
21:19 rangi         not hide the bib
21:19 rangi         well if you have chosen to hide all the items
21:19 wizzyrea      that would be one case where you wouldn't want that behaviour, for sure
21:18 sekjal        or serial holdings
21:18 sekjal        could still have 856$u
21:18 wizzyrea      you think it's ok to still see the 'no holdings' bib?
21:18 wizzyrea      if you have a bib and all items are suppressed...
21:18 wizzyrea      but
21:18 wizzyrea      I knew that
21:17 sekjal        if you want to hide the bib, set 942$n = 1
21:17 wizzyrea      man, i'd like to sign off on this but I don't think I can :/
21:16 wizzyrea      do you still want to see the bib?
21:16 wizzyrea      if you hide *all* of the items
21:16 wizzyrea      alright, for opachiddenitems
21:07 cait          hehe
21:06 wizzyrea      stupid spelling.
21:05 wizzyrea      manguse just won't work.
21:05 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:05 wizzyrea      @later tell magnuse I got the gamification book ;) (and thanks for the coupon!)
21:05 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:05 wizzyrea      @later tell manguse I got the gamification book ;)
20:59 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
20:59 rangi         fredericd: bug 6755 needs to get a sign off, then pass qa, then ill look at it again
20:58 rhcl          but I'm spicy brown mustard, must use with care
20:58 wizzyrea      I do like mustard
20:58 rhcl          I can also be mustard
20:58 cait          perhapsmake it an enhancement to correct the numbering?
20:58 cait          wizzyrea: I think it is a little confusing, but better than not hiding things
20:57 wizzyrea      I don't really like ketchup :P
20:57 wizzyrea      actually
20:57 wizzyrea      then dipping fries
20:57 * wizzyrea    ponders slathering rhcl all over a hotdog
20:57 cait          not sure being named ketchup is very safe, you could get eaten by accident
20:56 cait          ketchup safe mode?
20:56 wizzyrea      what'd I do?
20:56 rhcl          reference to something wizzyrea said earlier that invoked ketchup safe mode
20:55 cait          hi rhcl: safe? :)
20:55 wizzyrea      does that count as a regression?
20:54 wizzyrea      if we do, I can't pass it
20:54 wizzyrea      again, do we care?
20:54 wizzyrea      buuut
20:54 wizzyrea      it's not showing the preference number of items per page
20:54 ketchup       safe?
20:53 wizzyrea      and strictly speaking
20:53 wizzyrea      i mean, it's confusing that it's skipping numbers, but only if you're looking for it
20:52 wizzyrea      why do they have numbers in the first place?
20:52 wizzyrea      no, I don't think it's confusing
20:52 wizzyrea      that's what it looks like
20:52 wizzyrea      http://screencast.com/t/iQiINclQi1S
20:52 * cait        imainges liz pushing a little button on her head
20:52 cait          lol
20:52 * wizzyrea    resets brain to patron
20:51 cait          does it break something or is horrible confusing?
20:51 wizzyrea      well the hiding works
20:51 cait          is it better than before?
20:51 * wizzyrea    thinks about it
20:51 wizzyrea      now, do I care?
20:51 wizzyrea      thank you
20:51 wizzyrea      that's totally it
20:51 wizzyrea      yes, cait
20:50 wizzyrea      let me check
20:50 wizzyrea      oh, that could be...
20:50 wizzyrea      yea, I didn't understand
20:50 cait          like jumping numbers or something
20:50 cait          hm Ithought it meant the counting would be wrong
20:49 wizzyrea      that seems ok
20:49 wizzyrea      I see that if you hide all of the items on a bib, the bib still shows
20:49 wizzyrea      but I'm a bit unclear on what he means when he says "holes"
20:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
20:48 wizzyrea      i'm looking at bug 6488
20:48 rangi         cait++
20:48 cait          2 signed-off... who does the next few? :)
20:36 rangi         back
20:30 cait          go and get yourself some xp :)
20:30 wizzyrea      lol
20:30 cait          no, you are very helpful
20:30 * cait        sends liz more cookies
20:29 * wizzyrea    will be quiet
20:29 * wizzyrea    is probably not helping
20:29 wizzyrea      where "last minute" = with 2 players "out" out of 3 possible.
20:29 wizzyrea      then they did something really good at the last minute that scored 4 runs
20:28 wizzyrea      Ooo
20:28 cait          I know someone who did it
20:28 wizzyrea      oh
20:28 cait          wizzyrea: no, we are talking about real baseball here
20:28 wizzyrea      because that's what it means in a nutshell
20:28 wizzyrea      did you do something really good at the last minute that totally saved the day?
20:27 cait          rangi: I got that far
20:27 rangi         ok my stop bbiab
20:27 rangi         its a baseball thing
20:27 cait          hehe
20:27 wahanui       I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
20:27 cait          bg?
20:27 wizzyrea      how to explain...
20:27 rangi         ask bg cait
20:26 rangi         https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/
20:26 wizzyrea      it's super good :)
20:26 rangi         yes
20:26 wizzyrea      ya
20:25 cait          is a '2-out Grand Slam Home Run' something good?
20:25 cait          ok, question for people who know things about sports
20:25 rangi         but ill see what I can find when I have access to my git checkout :)
20:24 rangi         itemcallnumber on the items table didn't exist til 2007 ish
20:24 rangi         I can tell you its not that old
20:24 cait          nah, too slow
20:24 cait          night Oak
20:23 Oak           1:30 am here
20:23 Oak           good night folks
20:21 talljoy       rangi: no rush.  thanks.
20:21 rangi         ill search when im off the bus
20:20 talljoy       that's what they sent me.
20:20 talljoy       callnumber_search.pl
20:20 rangi         thats a straight cut and paste
20:20 rangi         the copyright header is def wrong
20:18 rangi         whats the name of the script?
20:17 sekjal        back
20:17 talljoy       i'm trying to track down the source.
20:16 talljoy       rangi: you recognize this?  "old koha" (138 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38
20:01 * Brooke      is gonna skeddaddle out to the Liberry
19:59 nengard       hi
19:59 Brooke        wb
19:58 rangi         back
19:53 nengard       thanks - me too
19:53 wizzyrea      nengard: glad you're well now though
19:52 nengard       all okay
19:52 nengard       yup
19:52 nengard       turns out it was just reflux - which is nothing to laugh at...
19:52 cait          nengard: :( but all ok now?
19:52 nengard       wizzyrea chest pains
19:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
19:49 cait          I would be happy if someone could sign-off on the last follow up for bug 6390
19:48 cait          someone has a lost pet he wants to take up for adoption?
19:48 wizzyrea      talljoy: doesn't look like it's in harley
19:48 cait          perhaps we can talk about it and figure out something together?
19:47 cait          because it's my big pet
19:47 cait          I am concentrating a bit on acq right now
19:47 * oleonard    doesn't know where to begin on a lot of the needs signoff bugs
19:47 cait          but it would be so nice to have that working
19:47 cait          :(
19:47 wizzyrea      on that
19:47 * wizzyrea    wouldn't even know where to begin
19:47 libsysguy     but its hourly so I really need something other than prod testing done on it
19:46 libsysguy     :'(
19:46 libsysguy     I have a pet that is signed off
19:46 wizzyrea      i'm going to work on it... tomorrow, maybe today
19:46 wizzyrea      i have a couple of pets in there that need signoff too.
19:45 cait          I can't do them all - need help :)
19:45 cait          s
19:45 cait          wizzyrea: correct - signoff
19:45 wizzyrea      eek signoffs
19:44 cait          what happened?
19:44 cait          oh :(
19:44 wizzyrea      !!!
19:44 nengard       kinda scared to get that bill .....
19:44 nengard       little scare last night ended me back in the hospital - but i'm home and doing much better today
19:43 cait          how are you doing?
19:43 cait          hi nengard! :)
19:43 nengard       howdy
19:43 libsysguy     hey nengard :D
19:42 nengard       hello #koha family
19:42 cait          just a friendly reminder: people go and sign off on patches - 22nd is near!
19:42 talljoy       unknown.  They are not previous clients.....but they may have gotten a copy somewhere and done their own install i suppose.
19:41 wizzyrea      could check I spose.
19:41 * wizzyrea    wonders if that's a harleyism.
19:41 talljoy       spoke to soon.  it formatted nicely in there.
19:40 talljoy       it's not formatted pretty.  but happy reading.
19:40 wizzyrea      much like the pillsbury doughboy
19:40 cait          :D
19:40 * wizzyrea    giggles
19:40 wizzyrea      :)
19:40 * cait        pokes liz to see what this is about
19:40 wizzyrea      a friendly ribbing
19:40 pastebot      "talljoy" at 99.27.151.96 pasted "old koha" (138 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38
19:40 cait          why are you poking her?
19:40 * wizzyrea    pokes talljoy
19:40 talljoy       lol
19:40 talljoy       i got it.   sheesh...
19:40 cait          oh wahanui
19:39 cait          hehe
19:39 wizzyrea      hrmph
19:39 wahanui       cait: excuse me?
19:39 cait          wahanui: you missed your chance!
19:39 wizzyrea      where do I paste?
19:39 wizzyrea      where do I paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
19:39 cait          where do I paste?
19:39 cait          hm
19:39 wahanui       somebody said paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org
19:39 cait          paste?
19:38 oleonard      http://paste.koha-community.org/
19:37 talljoy       where do i paste?
19:37 wizzyrea      sure why not
19:37 talljoy       like to see it?
19:37 talljoy       no prob.  I think it is very old.  the script itself says 'it is part of Koha, copyright 2000-2002'
19:36 wizzyrea      (I got pulled off to the side sorry
19:36 wizzyrea      that must be local talljoy
19:35 libsysguy     ^^
19:35 cait          sekjal: no problem :)
19:35 sekjal        sorry, in a meeting at the moment... hopefully will be done soon
19:34 libsysguy_afk seeking sekjal
19:32 cait          ?
19:32 cait          sekjal: around
19:22 talljoy       sekjal: i reccommended he try that option.  ;) as opposed to a development request to add this!
19:21 talljoy       wizzyrea: it is referenced in cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/callnumber_search.pl
19:20 oleonard      "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,and have 1 and 1875 different commit(s) each, respectively" Hmph.
19:20 wizzyrea      talljoy: what directory is it in?
19:18 sekjal        callnumber can be searched with Zebra: callnum,wrdl: <<term>>
19:17 wizzyrea      well we could look for it in 2.2 I guess
19:17 cait          never heard of it, but doesn't mean much :)
19:16 talljoy       or a customization.
19:16 talljoy       I think I'm dealing with an archaic Koha.  museum piece.  ;)
19:15 oleonard      talljoy: My search doesn't turn up any references to it
19:12 talljoy       o/ Brooke
19:12 talljoy       Is callnumber_search.pl still used in Koha?  (current release)
19:11 Brooke        0/
19:08 wizzyrea      hehe
19:08 * Brooke      likes the cut of oleonard's jib.
19:08 oleonard      Even more interesting if I could spend my gold on something :)
19:08 wizzyrea      lol stop it
19:08 fredericd     it really hurts multilingual installations
19:08 Brooke        wizzyrea++
19:08 Brooke        oleornard++
19:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
19:08 fredericd     rangi: About bug 6755...
19:08 Oak           :)
19:08 Brooke        ooooh
19:07 oleonard      it would be interesting if IRC karma had a chorewars gold exchange rate.
19:06 wizzyrea      ty :)
19:06 * cait        sends a cookie to liz instead of karma
19:06 cait          don't make her explode
19:06 cait          hehe
19:06 wizzyrea      lol
19:06 wizzyrea      whoa whoa
19:06 Oak           wizzyrea++
19:03 oleonard      wizzyrea: Yeah, the kind of data we really want to see usually isn't in MARC.
19:03 fredericd     wizzyrea++
19:03 wizzyrea      yw :)
19:03 fredericd     wizzyrea: thanks for your responsivness
19:03 wizzyrea      and I realized that I didn't look at more than 5% of the marc data that is displayed there
19:02 wizzyrea      the nexpress one
19:02 wizzyrea      you know I am looking at this opac
18:37 rangi         thats pretty much how all licenses work
18:36 oleonard      It is under copyright, but with certain uses allowed (as I understand it)
18:35 fcapo         Would be useful to have that written somewhere. In wikipedia, it seems the default "This image is under copyright" is used.
18:34 * oleonard    wonders what lawyers would make of that "license"
18:34 fcapo         ok, thanks.
18:33 rangi         morning
18:33 Brooke        morning Mr. Rangi.
18:33 wizzyrea      anywhere else, and you're probably cool.
18:33 wizzyrea      there you have it
18:33 rangi         is what rachel, who designed the logo released them as
18:33 wizzyrea      potentially weird TM ramifications in the US
18:32 rangi         You are welcome to download and use these logos/graphics for the promotion and publicity of the Koha Library System. You may not use them for any other purpose.
18:32 wizzyrea      tricky question, imo
18:31 fcapo         Repeating a previous question : Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo under an open license?
18:30 cait          fredericd++
18:25 Brooke        fredericd++
18:24 wizzyrea      fredericd++
18:24 Brooke        the more up there the better frederic :)
18:23 wizzyrea      :)
18:23 wizzyrea      yw yw
18:23 Brooke        thanks for the demo
18:23 Brooke        wizzyrea++
18:22 cait          wizzyrea++
18:20 wizzyrea      fredericd: done
18:17 fredericd     and UNIMARC
18:17 wizzyrea      sure
18:17 fredericd     thanks
18:17 fredericd     pro: kpro.tamil.fr -- demo/demo
18:17 fredericd     OPAC: kopac.tamil.fr
18:17 fredericd     A Koha 3.4.5
18:16 fredericd     cait: hello. I create an account, with some permissions I could edit this page myself...
18:16 wizzyrea      you tell me and I add it
18:15 cait          not sure how the table on this page is done
18:15 cait          fredericd: there is matching page on the wiki
18:15 libsysguy     sekjal, I just wanted to let you know that I got the check for hourly working on checkin with no additional queries
18:15 fredericd     wizzyrea: How to add an entry here: http://koha-community.org/demo/ ?
18:14 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6885] Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885>
18:06 trea          hi Brooke
18:03 Brooke        hey trea
18:02 cait          Brooke: hmm. not that I am aware of
18:00 trea          hi cait
18:00 Brooke        is there anything magnuse++ doesn't do?
17:59 cait          and magnuse++ :)
17:59 Brooke        eythian++
17:59 cait          hi trea :)
17:56 wizzyrea      ya
17:53 Brooke        that's part Robin's work, yes?
17:53 Brooke        sexy
17:49 wizzyrea      so you might still see it
17:48 wizzyrea      with the caveat that I haven't cleared the cache
17:48 wizzyrea      yea I just saw that, it's gone now
17:48 jcamins       Take out the (Experimental) Debian packages for Koha?
17:47 wizzyrea      http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
17:45 jcamins       Agreed.
17:44 wizzyrea      and link
17:44 wizzyrea      At the very least, I think we should say "pakages for debian are available"
17:43 jcamins       wizzyrea: I'd think so, yes.
17:41 wizzyrea      (i'm almost sure we should be)
17:40 wizzyrea      I wonder if we should be encouraging their use from there.
17:40 wizzyrea      so, do we consider the packages acceptable for adding them to the download page on k-c.org?
17:39 libsysguy     that may be a better solution
17:39 sekjal        or add a fallback line in CalcFine to try "itype" if "itemtype" is undefined
17:39 libsysguy     i suppose I ....yeah taht
17:39 sekjal        so you'd just need to put a 'itemtype' key in the hashref you feed CalcFine
17:38 libsysguy     right...but if I am using calcfine from another function that doesn't have that alias
17:38 sekjal        Getoverdues outputs the item type as "itemtype" instead of "itype", and that's just slurped in by CalcFine
17:37 sekjal        I don't really see what you'd need to change
17:36 libsysguy     so is there anything I can do?
17:36 sekjal        renaming it makes the output consistent regardless of what the setting for item-level_itypes is
17:36 libsysguy     haha its ok thats all I was looking at too
17:35 sekjal        ah, yes... if I'd read more than just the single SQL statement...
17:35 cait          hi Oak
17:35 * Oak         just watched New York, I Love You. again.
17:35 libsysguy     ohh...hmm
17:34 jcamins       It's renaming itype to itemtype so that item-level and bib-level itemtypes will both work.
17:34 libsysguy     I'm not going to commit any of this until hourly is ready to go into master
17:34 Oak           :]
17:34 libsysguy     agreed...for now on my local branch I'll remove it
17:33 Oak           heya cait
17:33 * Brooke      hugs Oak
17:33 Oak           Hello Brooke !!
17:33 sekjal        that doesn't really seem necessary, and only creates confusion
17:33 libsysguy     me either but its causing me pain
17:33 sekjal        yeah, not sure why it's renaming itype to itemtype
17:31 libsysguy     so I think it would be safe to remove that alias
17:31 libsysguy     it looks like that function only gets called in a test module and in the fines script
17:31 sekjal        looking
17:30 libsysguy     and the function is in CalcFine
17:30 libsysguy     Overdues**
17:30 libsysguy     its in OVerdues.pm
17:30 libsysguy     with no additional queries :D
17:30 sekjal        what line is the call to $items->{itemtype} on, in what file?
17:30 libsysguy     if I could get this piece done I would be golden
17:29 libsysguy     I was attempting to implement that click to fine function on a checkin
17:29 libsysguy     hourly
17:29 sekjal        libsysguy:  are you on the hourly loans branch, or master, for this?
17:29 libsysguy     ...frustrating
17:29 libsysguy     so it looks like the Getoverdues function aliases that column to itemtype
17:28 cait          hi there
17:28 libsysguy     its cool
17:28 sekjal        libsysguy:  sorry, had to duck out.  back
17:28 libsysguy     to grep
17:28 libsysguy     oh yeah the db schema...yeah I wish it was just a DB thing...but I need to know where its used in the codebase :'(
17:28 Brooke        0/
17:27 Brooke        thankfully we have redundant keep you out of trouble mentors like gmcharlt and chris in the multiplicity of chrisness
17:27 Brooke        http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html
17:27 libsysguy     haha well you know...I always look to sekjal for solid advice that will keep me out of trouble
17:26 Brooke        but sekjal is of course better ;)
17:26 Brooke        erm lemme look up the thinger that folks just posted someplace...
17:26 Brooke        although the caveat I think would be should and does
17:25 libsysguy     the db schema or does the codebase have a schema?
17:25 Brooke        perhaps the schema might show what would break?
17:24 * libsysguy   accepts cookie :)
17:24 * Brooke      hands libsysguy a cookie for bravery.
17:24 libsysguy     but I'm not sure
17:24 libsysguy     I think the only other place that CalcFine gets used is in the fines script
17:23 libsysguy     but if I change it...it could break some other parts of Koha
17:23 libsysguy     is it should read $item->{itype}
17:23 libsysguy     I am passing an item to calcfine just like it needs...but it is calling for $item->{itemtype}...but in the database its itype
17:22 libsysguy     sekjal I need some advice
17:20 Brooke        0/
17:17 libsysguy     guess that would do it
17:17 libsysguy     hmm the itemtype is blank...odd
17:10 libsysguy     that is what i was just about to run a check on and see exactly what its getting passed
17:10 sekjal        branch could mean homebranch, holdingbranch or patron branch, depending on your settings
17:10 sekjal        hmmm.  is the branch code portion of it pulling from the expected place?
17:09 libsysguy     I was only looking at it because it was giving me the all/all/all rule for an item that has a clearly defined rule
17:09 libsysguy     well there is this really terrible comment in a FixMe
17:07 sekjal        libsysguy:  how do you mean?
17:06 libsysguy     anybody know whats up with the GetIssuingRule function
16:48 libsysguy     haha that is funny jcamins
16:43 jcamins       libsysguy: and, ironically, I wasn't here!
16:14 libsysguy     here in a digital sense
16:14 libsysguy     i feel awkward since you are here hehe
16:14 libsysguy     whoa jcamins why are you not jcamins_away
16:14 tcohen        i'm leaving too, regards
16:14 tcohen        thanks jcamins
16:13 jcamins       tcohen: kf left.
15:57 tcohen        kf? r u there?
15:42 * oleonard    wishes he knew the legal answer to that
15:37 fcapo         Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo unden an open license?
15:31 tcohen        forgot to send it with the sign-off
15:31 tcohen        I think biblibre people that tested the patch
15:30 tcohen        s
15:30 tcohen        sorry I had to be out several hour
15:30 tcohen        hi kf
15:15 kresp0        kf: but maybe not a "fresh one", as i attempted to install koha on the past
15:14 kresp0        a new install
15:13 kf            kresp0: is this a new install or an updated install?
14:59 Oak           kia ora #koha
14:58 kresp0        it appears when trying to add the first item
14:58 kresp0        anyone have ideas about this error ?   Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2672.
14:58 kresp0        hi all
14:07 * wizzyrea    is quiet now
14:07 wizzyrea      patron *updates*
14:07 wizzyrea      urg
14:07 wizzyrea      no
14:07 wizzyrea      (for patron suggestions)
14:07 wizzyrea      but, the patch I sent to help his problem did help them fix it, in the end
14:06 wizzyrea      I helped him with his email thing, which they ended up doing local changes for (sheesh)
14:06 jwagner       Next time I will....
14:06 oleonard      Trim your reply?
14:06 wizzyrea      urf
14:06 jwagner       I tried responding to him a couple of times, but the listserv seems to be holding up my email for moderator approval, sigh.  Guess it doesn't like the screenshots he included
13:54 wizzyrea      oleonard++
13:54 wizzyrea      spectacular
13:54 * oleonard    did
13:54 wizzyrea      you gonna send him that link or you want me to? now that my computer has gotten it's mind back.
13:52 wizzyrea      sheesh
13:52 wizzyrea      in fact I know it's me
13:52 wizzyrea      :)
13:52 oleonard      If the web site had a grudge against anyone for messing around with its private parts, it would be you wizzyrea
13:51 wizzyrea      but it might be me
13:51 wizzyrea      that page doesn't load for me :(
13:50 oleonard      http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x10375
13:50 wizzyrea      I just realized I don't think there is any documentation on managing purchase suggestions
13:48 wizzyrea      (the email servers they use, I mean)
13:48 wizzyrea      a very draconian setup
13:47 wizzyrea      oleonard: that guy has CRAZY email requirements in the first place
13:47 sekjal        morning, oleonard
13:47 oleonard      Hi sekjal, wizzyrea
13:46 wizzyrea      mornin
13:28 sekjal        hi, kf
13:28 kf            hi sekjal
13:27 kf            oleonard: I think you are right
13:19 * oleonard    responds as such
13:17 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6884] Improve TinyMCE configuration on Koha News page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6884>
13:17 jcamins       Not to my knowledge, but I thought maybe I was confused, and was letting someone else respond.
13:16 oleonard      Re: message to Koha list about suggestions emails, that's not a Koha feature is it? Sending an email to the librarian with new suggestions?
12:43 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6193] Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193>
12:25 kf            tcohen: new features should ge ttested until 22nd
12:24 kf            tcohen: rangi has gone to bed - but I pestered him yesterday about deadlines
12:24 kf            tcohen: wrong status? if it has not been tested you should set it back to needs signoff and perhaps ask around to find someone to test it
12:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6139 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Automatic incrementation of call number does not work if given prefix contains a '
12:23 kf            tcohen: actually bug 6139 is confusing - it's marked signed-off but I see no sign-off and no signed-off patch
12:22 kf            ah no, it's signed off... ignore me
12:22 magnuse       jcamins: cool! small world... ;-)
12:22 kf            tcohen: I think it needs testing
12:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
12:21 tcohen        rangi, will bug 6193 make it in?
12:18 jcamins       Good morning, oleonard.
12:17 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:03 jcamins_away  Morning.
12:03 tcohen        mornin'
11:56 jcamins_away  magnuse: oh, I know the person who started the librarian training program at the University of Juba. Seems like a pretty great school. :)
11:37 rangi         just the version number
11:37 kf            hdl: we were wondering about the version number in the code
11:32 hdl           rangi: why ?
11:32 hdl           rangi: kf BibLibre did
11:32 hdl           rangi: uns.
10:56 rangi         hdl: do you know?
10:54 kf            hm guessing - biblibre?
10:53 rangi         hmm i wonder who did http://catalogue.unilim.fr/
10:09 Brooke        ho there :)
10:09 magnuse       hiya Brooke!
10:09 Brooke        kia ora
10:06 magnuse       yay
10:06 kf            maccaroni with cheese today :)
10:06 kf            lunch time
09:39 magnuse       thanks
09:39 kf            good luck :)
09:39 magnuse       yeah, stuff like that
09:39 rangi         yep, so you could teach them about logs, and where to look to debug if the install failed
09:38 magnuse       yeah, but just doing "sudp apt-get install koha" doesn't give you much to go if something fails...
09:37 rangi         as it should be :)
09:37 magnuse       with the packages it would be done in 5 minutes... ;-)
09:36 magnuse       no, we'll run through a manual install, as an opportunity to look at the different bits and pieces that make up an installation
09:36 rangi         ohh, with the packages i hope?
09:34 magnuse       wish me luck for tuesday and wednesday - i'll be giving a crash course in installing and maintaining koha to 2 or 3 people from University of Juba...
09:22 kf            hi matts
09:20 magnuse       kia ora!
09:19 matts         hello !
09:18 rangi         and matts :)
09:18 wahanui       magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
09:18 rangi         hmm magnuse
09:18 rangi         hello matts
08:50 rangi         ?
08:49 kf            ah, now I was too slow :)
08:39 rangi         ;)
08:38 Carl430       cheers from Sweden!
08:38 Carl430       ok, thank you for quick feedback!
08:38 Carl430       yes
08:38 rangi         or just pick one :-)
08:38 rangi         you could use the campus card for their userid, so they could login to the opac, and you can checkout using their name (if they dont have their library card on them)
08:37 Carl430       it's a long story
08:37 Carl430       well, today our student use their library card, but also their campus card
08:35 rangi         what im wondering is what you would use multiple cardnumbers for?
08:35 Carl430       we have to contemplate this matter I guess...
08:35 Carl430       I understand
08:35 Carl430       not for use
08:34 Carl430       notes field... ok, just information
08:34 rangi         they wouldnt be used for anything
08:34 rangi         but it would just be informational only
08:34 rangi         you could store the other cardnumbers in a notes field if you wanted
08:34 kf            but circulation will only work with cardnumber
08:34 Carl430       aha
08:34 kf            so they can log in with cardnumber + password and opac login + password
08:33 rangi         its the unique identifier for a borrower
08:33 kf            you can use the opac-login for another username in opac
08:33 Carl430       ok
08:33 kf            one cardnumber for each borrower
08:33 Carl430       ok
08:33 kf            Carl430: that will not work with koha
08:33 Carl430       good question...
08:33 rangi         why?
08:33 Carl430       well, our patrons have several card numbers today. :-)
08:32 rangi         why?
08:32 rangi         you want mulitple cardnumbers for a single borrower?
08:32 Carl430       or, how do you insert several card numbers?
08:31 Carl430       well, do you use "Additional attributes and identifiers"?
08:31 kf            :)
08:31 * rangi       waits
08:31 kf            ask )
08:31 Carl430       I have a question about multiple card numbers.
08:30 Carl430       Hi there!
07:48 rangi         hehe
07:47 kf            only sometimes?
07:33 rangi         hmm sometimes i dont understand people
07:29 kf            ah :)
07:23 sophie_m      hi kf (without ?  ;-) )
07:22 kf            hi sophie_m :)
07:18 sophie_m      hi kf ?
07:17 kf            good morning #koha!
07:02 eythian       oh.
07:02 eythian       saim_bu: that depends on what the problem is.
06:59 saim_bu       can someone help me in zebra searching problem?
06:58 saim_bu       hi
06:58 francharb     hello #koha
06:43 sobia         anyone there waking?
06:43 reiveune      hello
06:41 sobia         hi room
06:20 alex_a        hello
05:52 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6883] User permissions SQL File Translation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6883>
05:32 cait          does = those
05:32 cait          I imagine does don't work to well at work
05:30 * Brooke      passes cait a pendleton blanket.
05:30 cait          uuuh
05:29 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.3�C (7:29 AM CEST on September 19, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).
05:29 cait          @wunder Konstanz
05:29 cait          it gets cold in the mornings :(
05:08 Brooke        you assume I went there in the first place :P
05:07 cait          hi Brooke - go back to bed
05:07 Brooke        0/
04:41 cait          hi mason :)
04:41 * mtj         waves to cait tooo :)
04:30 cait          hi eythian and rangi :)
04:30 eythian       hi cait
04:30 rangi         hi cait
00:58 eythian       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNBfBr-OGU <-- "Ain't no party like a Pyongyang party, 'cause a Pyongyang party is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY"
00:40 druthb        o/