Time Nick Message 00:40 druthb o/ 00:58 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNBfBr-OGU <-- "Ain't no party like a Pyongyang party, 'cause a Pyongyang party is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY" 04:30 rangi hi cait 04:30 eythian hi cait 04:30 cait hi eythian and rangi :) 04:41 * mtj waves to cait tooo :) 04:41 cait hi mason :) 05:07 Brooke 0/ 05:07 cait hi Brooke - go back to bed 05:08 Brooke you assume I went there in the first place :P 05:29 cait it gets cold in the mornings :( 05:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.3�C (7:29 AM CEST on September 19, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). 05:30 cait uuuh 05:30 * Brooke passes cait a pendleton blanket. 05:32 cait I imagine does don't work to well at work 05:32 cait does = those 05:52 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6883] User permissions SQL File Translation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6883> 06:20 alex_a hello 06:41 sobia hi room 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 sobia anyone there waking? 06:58 francharb hello #koha 06:58 saim_bu hi 06:59 saim_bu can someone help me in zebra searching problem? 07:02 eythian saim_bu: that depends on what the problem is. 07:02 eythian oh. 07:17 kf good morning #koha! 07:18 sophie_m hi kf ? 07:22 kf hi sophie_m :) 07:23 sophie_m hi kf (without ? ;-) ) 07:29 kf ah :) 07:33 rangi hmm sometimes i dont understand people 07:47 kf only sometimes? 07:48 rangi hehe 08:30 Carl430 Hi there! 08:31 Carl430 I have a question about multiple card numbers. 08:31 kf ask ) 08:31 * rangi waits 08:31 kf :) 08:31 Carl430 well, do you use "Additional attributes and identifiers"? 08:32 Carl430 or, how do you insert several card numbers? 08:32 rangi you want mulitple cardnumbers for a single borrower? 08:32 rangi why? 08:33 Carl430 well, our patrons have several card numbers today. :-) 08:33 rangi why? 08:33 Carl430 good question... 08:33 kf Carl430: that will not work with koha 08:33 Carl430 ok 08:33 kf one cardnumber for each borrower 08:33 Carl430 ok 08:33 kf you can use the opac-login for another username in opac 08:33 rangi its the unique identifier for a borrower 08:34 kf so they can log in with cardnumber + password and opac login + password 08:34 Carl430 aha 08:34 kf but circulation will only work with cardnumber 08:34 rangi you could store the other cardnumbers in a notes field if you wanted 08:34 rangi but it would just be informational only 08:34 rangi they wouldnt be used for anything 08:34 Carl430 notes field... ok, just information 08:35 Carl430 not for use 08:35 Carl430 I understand 08:35 Carl430 we have to contemplate this matter I guess... 08:35 rangi what im wondering is what you would use multiple cardnumbers for? 08:37 Carl430 well, today our student use their library card, but also their campus card 08:37 Carl430 it's a long story 08:38 rangi you could use the campus card for their userid, so they could login to the opac, and you can checkout using their name (if they dont have their library card on them) 08:38 rangi or just pick one :-) 08:38 Carl430 yes 08:38 Carl430 ok, thank you for quick feedback! 08:38 Carl430 cheers from Sweden! 08:39 rangi ;) 08:49 kf ah, now I was too slow :) 08:50 rangi ? 09:18 rangi hello matts 09:18 rangi hmm magnuse 09:18 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 09:18 rangi and matts :) 09:19 matts hello ! 09:20 magnuse kia ora! 09:22 kf hi matts 09:34 magnuse wish me luck for tuesday and wednesday - i'll be giving a crash course in installing and maintaining koha to 2 or 3 people from University of Juba... 09:36 rangi ohh, with the packages i hope? 09:36 magnuse no, we'll run through a manual install, as an opportunity to look at the different bits and pieces that make up an installation 09:37 magnuse with the packages it would be done in 5 minutes... ;-) 09:37 rangi as it should be :) 09:38 magnuse yeah, but just doing "sudp apt-get install koha" doesn't give you much to go if something fails... 09:39 rangi yep, so you could teach them about logs, and where to look to debug if the install failed 09:39 magnuse yeah, stuff like that 09:39 kf good luck :) 09:39 magnuse thanks 10:06 kf lunch time 10:06 kf maccaroni with cheese today :) 10:06 magnuse yay 10:09 Brooke kia ora 10:09 magnuse hiya Brooke! 10:09 Brooke ho there :) 10:53 rangi hmm i wonder who did http://catalogue.unilim.fr/ 10:54 kf hm guessing - biblibre? 10:56 rangi hdl: do you know? 11:32 hdl rangi: uns. 11:32 hdl rangi: kf BibLibre did 11:32 hdl rangi: why ? 11:37 kf hdl: we were wondering about the version number in the code 11:37 rangi just the version number 11:56 jcamins_away magnuse: oh, I know the person who started the librarian training program at the University of Juba. Seems like a pretty great school. :) 12:03 tcohen mornin' 12:03 jcamins_away Morning. 12:17 oleonard Hi #koha 12:18 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. 12:21 tcohen rangi, will bug 6193 make it in? 12:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables 12:22 kf tcohen: I think it needs testing 12:22 magnuse jcamins: cool! small world... ;-) 12:22 kf ah no, it's signed off... ignore me 12:23 kf tcohen: actually bug 6139 is confusing - it's marked signed-off but I see no sign-off and no signed-off patch 12:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6139 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Automatic incrementation of call number does not work if given prefix contains a ' 12:24 kf tcohen: wrong status? if it has not been tested you should set it back to needs signoff and perhaps ask around to find someone to test it 12:24 kf tcohen: rangi has gone to bed - but I pestered him yesterday about deadlines 12:25 kf tcohen: new features should ge ttested until 22nd 12:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6193] Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193> 13:16 oleonard Re: message to Koha list about suggestions emails, that's not a Koha feature is it? Sending an email to the librarian with new suggestions? 13:17 jcamins Not to my knowledge, but I thought maybe I was confused, and was letting someone else respond. 13:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6884] Improve TinyMCE configuration on Koha News page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6884> 13:19 * oleonard responds as such 13:27 kf oleonard: I think you are right 13:28 kf hi sekjal 13:28 sekjal hi, kf 13:46 wizzyrea mornin 13:47 oleonard Hi sekjal, wizzyrea 13:47 sekjal morning, oleonard 13:47 wizzyrea oleonard: that guy has CRAZY email requirements in the first place 13:48 wizzyrea a very draconian setup 13:48 wizzyrea (the email servers they use, I mean) 13:50 wizzyrea I just realized I don't think there is any documentation on managing purchase suggestions 13:50 oleonard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x10375 13:51 wizzyrea that page doesn't load for me :( 13:51 wizzyrea but it might be me 13:52 oleonard If the web site had a grudge against anyone for messing around with its private parts, it would be you wizzyrea 13:52 wizzyrea :) 13:52 wizzyrea in fact I know it's me 13:52 wizzyrea sheesh 13:54 wizzyrea you gonna send him that link or you want me to? now that my computer has gotten it's mind back. 13:54 * oleonard did 13:54 wizzyrea spectacular 13:54 wizzyrea oleonard++ 14:06 jwagner I tried responding to him a couple of times, but the listserv seems to be holding up my email for moderator approval, sigh. Guess it doesn't like the screenshots he included 14:06 wizzyrea urf 14:06 oleonard Trim your reply? 14:06 jwagner Next time I will.... 14:06 wizzyrea I helped him with his email thing, which they ended up doing local changes for (sheesh) 14:07 wizzyrea but, the patch I sent to help his problem did help them fix it, in the end 14:07 wizzyrea (for patron suggestions) 14:07 wizzyrea no 14:07 wizzyrea urg 14:07 wizzyrea patron *updates* 14:07 * wizzyrea is quiet now 14:58 kresp0 hi all 14:58 kresp0 anyone have ideas about this error ? Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2672. 14:58 kresp0 it appears when trying to add the first item 14:59 Oak kia ora #koha 15:13 kf kresp0: is this a new install or an updated install? 15:14 kresp0 a new install 15:15 kresp0 kf: but maybe not a "fresh one", as i attempted to install koha on the past 15:30 tcohen hi kf 15:30 tcohen sorry I had to be out several hour 15:30 tcohen s 15:31 tcohen I think biblibre people that tested the patch 15:31 tcohen forgot to send it with the sign-off 15:37 fcapo Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo unden an open license? 15:42 * oleonard wishes he knew the legal answer to that 15:57 tcohen kf? r u there? 16:13 jcamins tcohen: kf left. 16:14 tcohen thanks jcamins 16:14 tcohen i'm leaving too, regards 16:14 libsysguy whoa jcamins why are you not jcamins_away 16:14 libsysguy i feel awkward since you are here hehe 16:14 libsysguy here in a digital sense 16:43 jcamins libsysguy: and, ironically, I wasn't here! 16:48 libsysguy haha that is funny jcamins 17:06 libsysguy anybody know whats up with the GetIssuingRule function 17:07 sekjal libsysguy: how do you mean? 17:09 libsysguy well there is this really terrible comment in a FixMe 17:09 libsysguy I was only looking at it because it was giving me the all/all/all rule for an item that has a clearly defined rule 17:10 sekjal hmmm. is the branch code portion of it pulling from the expected place? 17:10 sekjal branch could mean homebranch, holdingbranch or patron branch, depending on your settings 17:10 libsysguy that is what i was just about to run a check on and see exactly what its getting passed 17:17 libsysguy hmm the itemtype is blank...odd 17:17 libsysguy guess that would do it 17:20 Brooke 0/ 17:22 libsysguy sekjal I need some advice 17:23 libsysguy I am passing an item to calcfine just like it needs...but it is calling for $item->{itemtype}...but in the database its itype 17:23 libsysguy is it should read $item->{itype} 17:23 libsysguy but if I change it...it could break some other parts of Koha 17:24 libsysguy I think the only other place that CalcFine gets used is in the fines script 17:24 libsysguy but I'm not sure 17:24 * Brooke hands libsysguy a cookie for bravery. 17:24 * libsysguy accepts cookie :) 17:25 Brooke perhaps the schema might show what would break? 17:25 libsysguy the db schema or does the codebase have a schema? 17:26 Brooke although the caveat I think would be should and does 17:26 Brooke erm lemme look up the thinger that folks just posted someplace... 17:26 Brooke but sekjal is of course better ;) 17:27 libsysguy haha well you know...I always look to sekjal for solid advice that will keep me out of trouble 17:27 Brooke http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html 17:27 Brooke thankfully we have redundant keep you out of trouble mentors like gmcharlt and chris in the multiplicity of chrisness 17:28 Brooke 0/ 17:28 libsysguy oh yeah the db schema...yeah I wish it was just a DB thing...but I need to know where its used in the codebase :'( 17:28 libsysguy to grep 17:28 sekjal libsysguy: sorry, had to duck out. back 17:28 libsysguy its cool 17:28 cait hi there 17:29 libsysguy so it looks like the Getoverdues function aliases that column to itemtype 17:29 libsysguy ...frustrating 17:29 sekjal libsysguy: are you on the hourly loans branch, or master, for this? 17:29 libsysguy hourly 17:29 libsysguy I was attempting to implement that click to fine function on a checkin 17:30 libsysguy if I could get this piece done I would be golden 17:30 sekjal what line is the call to $items->{itemtype} on, in what file? 17:30 libsysguy with no additional queries :D 17:30 libsysguy its in OVerdues.pm 17:30 libsysguy Overdues** 17:30 libsysguy and the function is in CalcFine 17:31 sekjal looking 17:31 libsysguy it looks like that function only gets called in a test module and in the fines script 17:31 libsysguy so I think it would be safe to remove that alias 17:33 sekjal yeah, not sure why it's renaming itype to itemtype 17:33 libsysguy me either but its causing me pain 17:33 sekjal that doesn't really seem necessary, and only creates confusion 17:33 Oak Hello Brooke !! 17:33 * Brooke hugs Oak 17:33 Oak heya cait 17:34 libsysguy agreed...for now on my local branch I'll remove it 17:34 Oak :] 17:34 libsysguy I'm not going to commit any of this until hourly is ready to go into master 17:34 jcamins It's renaming itype to itemtype so that item-level and bib-level itemtypes will both work. 17:35 libsysguy ohh...hmm 17:35 * Oak just watched New York, I Love You. again. 17:35 cait hi Oak 17:35 sekjal ah, yes... if I'd read more than just the single SQL statement... 17:36 libsysguy haha its ok thats all I was looking at too 17:36 sekjal renaming it makes the output consistent regardless of what the setting for item-level_itypes is 17:36 libsysguy so is there anything I can do? 17:37 sekjal I don't really see what you'd need to change 17:38 sekjal Getoverdues outputs the item type as "itemtype" instead of "itype", and that's just slurped in by CalcFine 17:38 libsysguy right...but if I am using calcfine from another function that doesn't have that alias 17:39 sekjal so you'd just need to put a 'itemtype' key in the hashref you feed CalcFine 17:39 libsysguy i suppose I ....yeah taht 17:39 sekjal or add a fallback line in CalcFine to try "itype" if "itemtype" is undefined 17:39 libsysguy that may be a better solution 17:40 wizzyrea so, do we consider the packages acceptable for adding them to the download page on k-c.org? 17:40 wizzyrea I wonder if we should be encouraging their use from there. 17:41 wizzyrea (i'm almost sure we should be) 17:43 jcamins wizzyrea: I'd think so, yes. 17:44 wizzyrea At the very least, I think we should say "pakages for debian are available" 17:44 wizzyrea and link 17:45 jcamins Agreed. 17:47 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 17:48 jcamins Take out the (Experimental) Debian packages for Koha? 17:48 wizzyrea yea I just saw that, it's gone now 17:48 wizzyrea with the caveat that I haven't cleared the cache 17:49 wizzyrea so you might still see it 17:53 Brooke sexy 17:53 Brooke that's part Robin's work, yes? 17:56 wizzyrea ya 17:59 cait hi trea :) 17:59 Brooke eythian++ 17:59 cait and magnuse++ :) 18:00 Brooke is there anything magnuse++ doesn't do? 18:00 trea hi cait 18:02 cait Brooke: hmm. not that I am aware of 18:03 Brooke hey trea 18:06 trea hi Brooke 18:14 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6885] Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885> 18:15 fredericd wizzyrea: How to add an entry here: http://koha-community.org/demo/ ? 18:15 libsysguy sekjal, I just wanted to let you know that I got the check for hourly working on checkin with no additional queries 18:15 cait fredericd: there is matching page on the wiki 18:15 cait not sure how the table on this page is done 18:16 wizzyrea you tell me and I add it 18:16 fredericd cait: hello. I create an account, with some permissions I could edit this page myself... 18:17 fredericd A Koha 3.4.5 18:17 fredericd OPAC: kopac.tamil.fr 18:17 fredericd pro: kpro.tamil.fr -- demo/demo 18:17 fredericd thanks 18:17 wizzyrea sure 18:17 fredericd and UNIMARC 18:20 wizzyrea fredericd: done 18:22 cait wizzyrea++ 18:23 Brooke wizzyrea++ 18:23 Brooke thanks for the demo 18:23 wizzyrea yw yw 18:23 wizzyrea :) 18:24 Brooke the more up there the better frederic :) 18:24 wizzyrea fredericd++ 18:25 Brooke fredericd++ 18:30 cait fredericd++ 18:31 fcapo Repeating a previous question : Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo under an open license? 18:32 wizzyrea tricky question, imo 18:32 rangi You are welcome to download and use these logos/graphics for the promotion and publicity of the Koha Library System. You may not use them for any other purpose. 18:33 wizzyrea potentially weird TM ramifications in the US 18:33 rangi is what rachel, who designed the logo released them as 18:33 wizzyrea there you have it 18:33 wizzyrea anywhere else, and you're probably cool. 18:33 Brooke morning Mr. Rangi. 18:33 rangi morning 18:34 fcapo ok, thanks. 18:34 * oleonard wonders what lawyers would make of that "license" 18:35 fcapo Would be useful to have that written somewhere. In wikipedia, it seems the default "This image is under copyright" is used. 18:36 oleonard It is under copyright, but with certain uses allowed (as I understand it) 18:37 rangi thats pretty much how all licenses work 19:02 wizzyrea you know I am looking at this opac 19:02 wizzyrea the nexpress one 19:03 wizzyrea and I realized that I didn't look at more than 5% of the marc data that is displayed there 19:03 fredericd wizzyrea: thanks for your responsivness 19:03 wizzyrea yw :) 19:03 fredericd wizzyrea++ 19:03 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, the kind of data we really want to see usually isn't in MARC. 19:06 Oak wizzyrea++ 19:06 wizzyrea whoa whoa 19:06 wizzyrea lol 19:06 cait hehe 19:06 cait don't make her explode 19:06 * cait sends a cookie to liz instead of karma 19:06 wizzyrea ty :) 19:07 oleonard it would be interesting if IRC karma had a chorewars gold exchange rate. 19:08 Brooke ooooh 19:08 Oak :) 19:08 fredericd rangi: About bug 6755... 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages 19:08 Brooke oleornard++ 19:08 Brooke wizzyrea++ 19:08 fredericd it really hurts multilingual installations 19:08 wizzyrea lol stop it 19:08 oleonard Even more interesting if I could spend my gold on something :) 19:08 * Brooke likes the cut of oleonard's jib. 19:08 wizzyrea hehe 19:11 Brooke 0/ 19:12 talljoy Is callnumber_search.pl still used in Koha? (current release) 19:12 talljoy o/ Brooke 19:15 oleonard talljoy: My search doesn't turn up any references to it 19:16 talljoy I think I'm dealing with an archaic Koha. museum piece. ;) 19:16 talljoy or a customization. 19:17 cait never heard of it, but doesn't mean much :) 19:17 wizzyrea well we could look for it in 2.2 I guess 19:18 sekjal callnumber can be searched with Zebra: callnum,wrdl: <<term>> 19:20 wizzyrea talljoy: what directory is it in? 19:20 oleonard "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,and have 1 and 1875 different commit(s) each, respectively" Hmph. 19:21 talljoy wizzyrea: it is referenced in cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/callnumber_search.pl 19:22 talljoy sekjal: i reccommended he try that option. ;) as opposed to a development request to add this! 19:32 cait sekjal: around 19:32 cait ? 19:34 libsysguy_afk seeking sekjal 19:35 sekjal sorry, in a meeting at the moment... hopefully will be done soon 19:35 cait sekjal: no problem :) 19:35 libsysguy ^^ 19:36 wizzyrea that must be local talljoy 19:36 wizzyrea (I got pulled off to the side sorry 19:37 talljoy no prob. I think it is very old. the script itself says 'it is part of Koha, copyright 2000-2002' 19:37 talljoy like to see it? 19:37 wizzyrea sure why not 19:37 talljoy where do i paste? 19:38 oleonard http://paste.koha-community.org/ 19:39 cait paste? 19:39 wahanui somebody said paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org 19:39 cait hm 19:39 cait where do I paste? 19:39 wizzyrea where do I paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 19:39 wizzyrea where do I paste? 19:39 cait wahanui: you missed your chance! 19:39 wahanui cait: excuse me? 19:39 wizzyrea hrmph 19:39 cait hehe 19:40 cait oh wahanui 19:40 talljoy i got it. sheesh... 19:40 talljoy lol 19:40 * wizzyrea pokes talljoy 19:40 cait why are you poking her? 19:40 pastebot "talljoy" at 99.27.151.96 pasted "old koha" (138 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38 19:40 wizzyrea a friendly ribbing 19:40 * cait pokes liz to see what this is about 19:40 wizzyrea :) 19:40 * wizzyrea giggles 19:40 cait :D 19:40 wizzyrea much like the pillsbury doughboy 19:40 talljoy it's not formatted pretty. but happy reading. 19:41 talljoy spoke to soon. it formatted nicely in there. 19:41 * wizzyrea wonders if that's a harleyism. 19:41 wizzyrea could check I spose. 19:42 talljoy unknown. They are not previous clients.....but they may have gotten a copy somewhere and done their own install i suppose. 19:42 cait just a friendly reminder: people go and sign off on patches - 22nd is near! 19:42 nengard hello #koha family 19:43 libsysguy hey nengard :D 19:43 nengard howdy 19:43 cait hi nengard! :) 19:43 cait how are you doing? 19:44 nengard little scare last night ended me back in the hospital - but i'm home and doing much better today 19:44 nengard kinda scared to get that bill ..... 19:44 wizzyrea !!! 19:44 cait oh :( 19:44 cait what happened? 19:45 wizzyrea eek signoffs 19:45 cait wizzyrea: correct - signoff 19:45 cait s 19:45 cait I can't do them all - need help :) 19:46 wizzyrea i have a couple of pets in there that need signoff too. 19:46 wizzyrea i'm going to work on it... tomorrow, maybe today 19:46 libsysguy I have a pet that is signed off 19:46 libsysguy :'( 19:47 libsysguy but its hourly so I really need something other than prod testing done on it 19:47 * wizzyrea wouldn't even know where to begin 19:47 wizzyrea on that 19:47 cait :( 19:47 cait but it would be so nice to have that working 19:47 * oleonard doesn't know where to begin on a lot of the needs signoff bugs 19:47 cait I am concentrating a bit on acq right now 19:47 cait because it's my big pet 19:48 cait perhaps we can talk about it and figure out something together? 19:48 wizzyrea talljoy: doesn't look like it's in harley 19:48 cait someone has a lost pet he wants to take up for adoption? 19:49 cait I would be happy if someone could sign-off on the last follow up for bug 6390 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it 19:52 nengard wizzyrea chest pains 19:52 cait nengard: :( but all ok now? 19:52 nengard turns out it was just reflux - which is nothing to laugh at... 19:52 nengard yup 19:52 nengard all okay 19:53 wizzyrea nengard: glad you're well now though 19:53 nengard thanks - me too 19:58 rangi back 19:59 Brooke wb 19:59 nengard hi 20:01 * Brooke is gonna skeddaddle out to the Liberry 20:16 talljoy rangi: you recognize this? "old koha" (138 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38 20:17 talljoy i'm trying to track down the source. 20:17 sekjal back 20:18 rangi whats the name of the script? 20:20 rangi the copyright header is def wrong 20:20 rangi thats a straight cut and paste 20:20 talljoy callnumber_search.pl 20:20 talljoy that's what they sent me. 20:21 rangi ill search when im off the bus 20:21 talljoy rangi: no rush. thanks. 20:23 Oak good night folks 20:23 Oak 1:30 am here 20:24 cait night Oak 20:24 cait nah, too slow 20:24 rangi I can tell you its not that old 20:24 rangi itemcallnumber on the items table didn't exist til 2007 ish 20:25 rangi but ill see what I can find when I have access to my git checkout :) 20:25 cait ok, question for people who know things about sports 20:25 cait is a '2-out Grand Slam Home Run' something good? 20:26 wizzyrea ya 20:26 rangi yes 20:26 wizzyrea it's super good :) 20:26 rangi https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/ 20:27 rangi ask bg cait 20:27 wizzyrea how to explain... 20:27 cait bg? 20:27 wahanui I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL 20:27 cait hehe 20:27 rangi its a baseball thing 20:27 rangi ok my stop bbiab 20:27 cait rangi: I got that far 20:28 wizzyrea did you do something really good at the last minute that totally saved the day? 20:28 wizzyrea because that's what it means in a nutshell 20:28 cait wizzyrea: no, we are talking about real baseball here 20:28 wizzyrea oh 20:28 cait I know someone who did it 20:28 wizzyrea Ooo 20:29 wizzyrea then they did something really good at the last minute that scored 4 runs 20:29 wizzyrea where "last minute" = with 2 players "out" out of 3 possible. 20:29 * wizzyrea is probably not helping 20:29 * wizzyrea will be quiet 20:30 * cait sends liz more cookies 20:30 cait no, you are very helpful 20:30 wizzyrea lol 20:30 cait go and get yourself some xp :) 20:36 rangi back 20:48 cait 2 signed-off... who does the next few? :) 20:48 rangi cait++ 20:48 wizzyrea i'm looking at bug 6488 20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master 20:49 wizzyrea but I'm a bit unclear on what he means when he says "holes" 20:49 wizzyrea I see that if you hide all of the items on a bib, the bib still shows 20:49 wizzyrea that seems ok 20:50 cait hm Ithought it meant the counting would be wrong 20:50 cait like jumping numbers or something 20:50 wizzyrea yea, I didn't understand 20:50 wizzyrea oh, that could be... 20:50 wizzyrea let me check 20:51 wizzyrea yes, cait 20:51 wizzyrea that's totally it 20:51 wizzyrea thank you 20:51 wizzyrea now, do I care? 20:51 * wizzyrea thinks about it 20:51 cait is it better than before? 20:51 wizzyrea well the hiding works 20:51 cait does it break something or is horrible confusing? 20:52 * wizzyrea resets brain to patron 20:52 cait lol 20:52 * cait imainges liz pushing a little button on her head 20:52 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/iQiINclQi1S 20:52 wizzyrea that's what it looks like 20:52 wizzyrea no, I don't think it's confusing 20:52 wizzyrea why do they have numbers in the first place? 20:53 wizzyrea i mean, it's confusing that it's skipping numbers, but only if you're looking for it 20:53 wizzyrea and strictly speaking 20:54 ketchup safe? 20:54 wizzyrea it's not showing the preference number of items per page 20:54 wizzyrea buuut 20:54 wizzyrea again, do we care? 20:54 wizzyrea if we do, I can't pass it 20:55 wizzyrea does that count as a regression? 20:55 cait hi rhcl: safe? :) 20:56 rhcl reference to something wizzyrea said earlier that invoked ketchup safe mode 20:56 wizzyrea what'd I do? 20:56 cait ketchup safe mode? 20:57 cait not sure being named ketchup is very safe, you could get eaten by accident 20:57 * wizzyrea ponders slathering rhcl all over a hotdog 20:57 wizzyrea then dipping fries 20:57 wizzyrea actually 20:57 wizzyrea I don't really like ketchup :P 20:58 cait wizzyrea: I think it is a little confusing, but better than not hiding things 20:58 cait perhapsmake it an enhancement to correct the numbering? 20:58 rhcl I can also be mustard 20:58 wizzyrea I do like mustard 20:58 rhcl but I'm spicy brown mustard, must use with care 20:59 rangi fredericd: bug 6755 needs to get a sign off, then pass qa, then ill look at it again 20:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages 21:05 wizzyrea @later tell manguse I got the gamification book ;) 21:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:05 wizzyrea @later tell magnuse I got the gamification book ;) (and thanks for the coupon!) 21:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:05 wizzyrea manguse just won't work. 21:06 wizzyrea stupid spelling. 21:07 cait hehe 21:16 wizzyrea alright, for opachiddenitems 21:16 wizzyrea if you hide *all* of the items 21:16 wizzyrea do you still want to see the bib? 21:17 wizzyrea man, i'd like to sign off on this but I don't think I can :/ 21:17 sekjal if you want to hide the bib, set 942$n = 1 21:18 wizzyrea I knew that 21:18 wizzyrea but 21:18 wizzyrea if you have a bib and all items are suppressed... 21:18 wizzyrea you think it's ok to still see the 'no holdings' bib? 21:18 sekjal could still have 856$u 21:18 sekjal or serial holdings 21:19 wizzyrea that would be one case where you wouldn't want that behaviour, for sure 21:19 rangi well if you have chosen to hide all the items 21:19 rangi not hide the bib 21:19 rangi i think you have chosen to show the bib and not the items 21:20 rangi otherwise you'd just do what sekjal said 21:20 rangi 942n 21:20 wizzyrea well here's what I'm thinking 21:21 wizzyrea and you can totally shoot me down 21:21 wizzyrea and you probably will 21:21 wizzyrea ;) 21:21 wizzyrea but item suppression is kind of automatic 21:21 wizzyrea you give it a class of items to hide 21:21 wizzyrea and it hides them all 21:21 wizzyrea bib suppression is manual 21:21 wizzyrea you have to go set it 21:21 wizzyrea so 21:21 wizzyrea what I'm seeing, for example 21:21 cait I am not going to shoot you, because that makes sense so far :) 21:21 wizzyrea is what if you suppress a class of items 21:22 rangi what if you want to show a bib and not its items 21:22 wizzyrea you may or may not know that all of the items are suppressed 21:22 rangi how would you do it, if it starting hiding your bibs 21:22 wizzyrea so you'd have unintentionally empty bibs set out there 21:23 rangi or unintentionally hidden biblios in the other case 21:23 wizzyrea yea, so you're pretty well damned if you do damned if you don't 21:23 rangi if you were gonna do it right 21:23 rangi you'd have an option 21:23 rangi hide biblios with all items hidden 21:24 rangi but even then, you still mgith want to show some and not others 21:24 wizzyrea "set the 942$n = 1 when all bibs will be hidden" 21:24 wizzyrea "or don't" 21:24 rangi yeah 21:24 wizzyrea but you see my conundrum 21:24 rangi i personally think the syspref and code is to hide items 21:24 rangi not to hide biblios 21:24 rangi so you are scope creeping it 21:25 wizzyrea that's fair 21:25 rangi and another bug to offer the option to hide biblios when all items are hidden would be a goodish approach 21:25 wizzyrea I can definitely envision a scenario in NExpress where hiding the items would leave empty bibs 21:25 wizzyrea but it might be a people problem 21:25 rangi yup 21:26 wizzyrea (bad cataloging) 21:26 rangi but that might not be a bad thing 21:26 rangi because the biblio might have an ebook link 21:26 wizzyrea (i.e. if people would use the right framework for their ILL, it'd never show up in the first place) 21:26 wizzyrea no an empty bib isn't inherently bad 21:26 wizzyrea I get that 21:27 rangi so i dont think we can automatically hide them, i think that would be worse than having empty 21:27 rangi specially since you might never find out they arent showing up 21:27 wizzyrea an empty bib that confuses patrons -> i.e. "do they have this? it looks like they should... but I can't have it" is bad. 21:27 wizzyrea but, probably not in the scope of this particular patch 21:28 wizzyrea ok I feel better now. 21:29 cait hm 21:29 cait I think empty bibs are bad 21:29 cait and it would be nice to be able to hide them 21:29 cait but perhaps should be an option 21:30 wizzyrea you can hide them, with the 942$n = 1 21:30 cait in german catalogs an ebook would always have it's own record 21:30 wizzyrea but it's not automatic 21:30 cait and if all items are damaged or lost and you want to hide those, the print records should be hidden too 21:30 cait wizzyrea: worse, it doesnot work with our union catlaog setting 21:30 cait because the 942 $n would be overwritten 21:30 wizzyrea oof 21:30 cait when something in the record is changed on union catalog level 21:31 cait so hiding it with hidiing items would be cool :) 21:31 cait but I can see it as an enh 21:31 cait or make it possible to secure fields from being overwritten during import 21:31 wizzyrea well I think the question of "pass or don't pass this patch" 21:32 wizzyrea has been answered 21:32 wizzyrea hmm. 21:32 wizzyrea except for the thing about the numbering. 21:32 cait but this thing about the numbering happens because it's hiding biblios... right? 21:33 * wizzyrea doesn't fully understand what the deal is with the numbering 21:35 wizzyrea actually, I can't make it show the right numbering ever? 21:35 * wizzyrea tries again 21:38 cait if you undo the hiding thing, does it cound normally= 21:38 cait ? 21:38 cait and sleep time 21:38 wizzyrea no 21:38 cait good night #koha 21:38 cait weird! 21:38 wizzyrea gnite 21:38 wizzyrea yea 21:38 wizzyrea weird. 21:38 * wizzyrea will try again tomorrow. 21:38 wizzyrea on that one. 21:52 aarkerio Hi! how can I add my company to: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 21:53 wizzyrea getting listed is at http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/how-to-get-listed/ 22:08 aarkerio thanks! 23:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5459] merging records loses holds from one <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459>