Time  Nick               Message
00:28 * chris_n2         announces 3.4.x string freeze for 3.4.5
00:29 chris_n2           and wonders if its been a month already
00:59 bencahill          hey guys, I changed a patron to be in a category with the Staff type, but still can't log in to the staff client...is there something else I need to do?
01:04 mtj                bencahill, user permissions
01:08 bencahill          mtj: awesome, thanks :)
01:09 bencahill          mtj: does being in a category with the Staff type matter, or is it just user permissions that determines whether a patron can log in to the staff client or not?
01:10 mtj                just user perms , afaik
01:10 bencahill          coolio
01:11 mtj                patron type is simply for general classification
01:11 bencahill          mtj: was confused by this: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x4453#patcats
01:11 bencahill          mtj: "Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client."
01:12 bencahill          or is that, "will have access to the staff client, if they have sufficient permissions." ?
01:12 bencahill          s/is that/should that be/
02:00 huginn             New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_4877' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=147ae6c665cd25a07471d90afcab3e38ce36d9e0> / Bug 4877 [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] install generated man pages with build process <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d3a8d98651c922a5cc68356cfb1adec58d46f82> / Bug 4877 [ENH] Use DocBook for koha-common manual pages <http://git.k
02:15 bencahill          can I submit a request for a change in the docs? I don't use git...
02:49 eythian            bencahill: you can ask someone if they're around, but it'd be easier to use git
03:46 ted                Hi, in my installation sometimes searches fail with 'utf8 "\xC3" does not map to Unicode' (koha n00b)
03:47 ted                I guess this is because my MARC records are in MARC-8 instead of UTF-8?
04:34 phlunk3            Hi everyone, I feel stupid having to ask this sorry, but how on earth do I change an admin accounts password in the system?
04:47 phlunk3            thanks anyways, going to run out so I can get home early and drink before watching the rugby :) have a good weekend everyone.
05:54 cait               morning #koha
05:56 eythian            cait: it's beer o'clock. Everyone is doing their duty respecting that.
05:57 cait               eq in wellington today?
05:57 * eythian          goes back to it after seeing if an email had arrived.
05:57 eythian            yeah, apparently
05:57 eythian            I didn't feel it
05:57 eythian            but some people here did
05:57 cait               ok
05:57 cait               so it was not that bad I guess
05:57 cait               have fun
05:57 eythian            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5639485/Earthquake-jolts-Wellington
05:57 eythian            only a 4.3
06:05 rangi              man town is busy tonight
06:05 cait               morning rangi
06:06 rangi              heya, how much sleep?
06:11 kmkale             hi rangi cait eythian :)
06:15 cait               hi kmkale
06:15 cait               how is your arm?
06:15 alex_a             bonjour !
06:16 kmkale             huge cast. comes off on 26th to be replaced by a smaller cast which will allow me to move about.
06:17 cait               :(
06:17 cait               hope it heals well
06:18 cait               bonjour alex_a
06:55 francharb          hello all
06:55 magnuse            bonjour francharb and #koha
06:56 magnuse            is this community half day at biblibre?
07:08 magnuse            51 kohacon12 votes so far - keep'em coming! http://survey.web2learning.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=63529
07:30 reiveune           hello
08:23 magnuse            nz 12 jp 0. oops
08:28 kf                 morning #koha :)
08:38 magnuse            guten morgen kf
08:40 kf                 god morgen magnuse )
08:40 kf                 lots of new entries in your blog!
08:40 magnuse            yup, hacking away...
09:13 magnuse            52-0?!?
09:27 kf                 rugby?
09:35 magnuse            yup
09:50 magnuse            kia ora paul_p - how's the conference(?) going?
10:02 paul_p             magnuse, hi. The conference is going smoothly, thanks. Strange to have a booth at a conference : you have a lot of time where ppl are listening speech, and suddenly, 200 person arrive, and they have 20mn to discuss before the next speech
10:04 paul_p             in fact, this kind of conference is the place where we *must* be, otherwise ppl are wondering "why are they not here, does it mean they are no more interested by us ?" and, OTH, it's not the place where you do real business, you just have lot of contacts...
10:05 magnuse            yeah, i have done it twice (first time was with nicomo), and that description sounds very familiar ;-)
10:06 magnuse            it's weird to be "on show", but good to get your name and the koha logo "out there"
10:48 huginn             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6025] Script to recreate entries in the statistics table from the issues and oldissues table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6025>
10:58 kf                 i think at bigger conferences it gets a bit better - people make appoitnments to talk about things when speeches are running or plan for free slots to visit the booths
11:08 magnuse            wow, did y'all know nicomo is an author? http://www.amazon.com/M%C3%A9moire-vive-r%C3%A9cits-num%C3%A9riques-ebook/dp/B005LB7AII/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316068787&sr=8-1
11:12 libsysguy          So my webserver came under attack yesterday from a botnet which consequently took it down
11:12 libsysguy          it looks like they didn't get it but had been trying to bruteforce their way through root literally all day
11:13 libsysguy          and I'm wondering if there are any known apache venerabilities that they could have used
11:13 libsysguy          because apache was going crazy on that box but when I put up my backup it was fine
11:14 paul_p             magnuse, yep, he wanted to write novels since a long time, and has found time ... only after leaving BibLibre ;-)
11:14 magnuse            hehe
11:15 kf                 koha can keep you pretty busy...
11:15 libsysguy          ^^
11:16 libsysguy          heck yes it can...I have started neglecting my job to develop for it...which is acceptable for the librarians mind you
11:18 magnuse            in pootle - is there a way to see just the suggestions others have made, so i can accept them?
11:18 kf                 yeah
11:18 kf                 check the review tab
11:19 kf                 there is a link
11:19 kf                 or links
11:19 kf                 for each file
11:19 kf                 found it?
11:19 magnuse            hm, no
11:20 magnuse            is it in the long list that starts "acronyms" etc
11:20 magnuse            ?
11:23 magnuse            nope, can't see it
11:41 huginn             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6874] File upload in MARC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874>
11:42 kf                 magnuse: I made a screenshot for you
11:43 kf                 [off] http://opac.bsz-bw.de/koha_temp/review_suggestions.png
12:12 magnuse            kf: thanks a lot. i stil don't see those links, but maybe it's because i have reviewed all the suggestions...
12:15 magnuse            and let me just say it's awesome that there are suggestions for norwegian translations! a side effect of my "gratis" offer... ;-)
12:32 kf                 magnuse: that or you are missing the permission
12:32 kf                 side_effects++ :)
12:44 oleonard           I like the "word-diff" option included here: http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2010/07/git-tips/
13:44 * slef             checks in, peels off the cycling gear and goes to get lunch. Hi all.
14:06 Danielle           o/
14:11 kf                 hi slef
14:20 magnuse            my, it's been quiet here today ;-)
14:20 Danielle           I'm at work but my mind is on vacation, specifically, here: http://whitrel.com/OBX-2010/resize-DSC_1630.JPG
14:21 magnuse            nice
14:47 rhcl               cool pic
14:54 Danielle           rhcl: Thanks.
15:28 slef               Danielle: nice pic. Wheresit?
15:35 Danielle           slef: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina.
15:36 kf                 have a nice weekend all!
15:37 Danielle           You too, kf!
15:43 reiveune           bye
16:12 libsysguy          its so quiet in here today
16:13 jcamins_away       Fridays often are.
16:13 * jcamins_away     looks through the scrollback.
16:13 jcamins_away       Sure has been quiet.
16:13 libsysguy          I was afraid I missed something
16:14 libsysguy          but I most certainly did not
16:14 oleonard           We're all at a party you weren't invited to :P
16:14 libsysguy          aww
16:14 oleonard           In the /secret/ channel
16:14 jcamins_away       Maybe this is so that you won't keep on neglecting your job. :P
16:14 * libsysguy        is now sad
16:15 * oleonard         is always sad when #koha is quiet
16:15 oleonard           It's as if my office-mates didn't show up to work.
16:16 libsysguy          exactly...you guys are the only ones I talk to all day
16:16 * jcamins_away     is currently trying to determine how many pages are in this book.
16:17 libsysguy          there are generally numbers located at the top/bottom for that jcamins_away
16:17 jcamins_away       libsysguy: not on books like this.
16:17 libsysguy          ohh yeah you do really old books right
16:17 jcamins_away       Enea Vico's Omnium Caesarum... 1554.
16:18 libsysguy          geez...I hope you are in a clean room with a book that old
16:18 * bencahill        thinks jcamins_away's nick is deceptively deceptive :-P
16:19 jcamins_away       bencahill: I'm liable to disappear suddenly, so I'm not changing my nick.
16:19 bencahill          hehe
16:19 oleonard           We all talk to him no matter what, being away doesn't do him any good.
16:22 jcamins_away       I count 83 plates in this copy.
16:22 * jcamins_away     pulls out the other copy.
16:26 jcamins_away       84 plates?
16:26 jcamins_away       Bah. Better count again.
16:28 jcamins_away       85 plates in this copy. So the first copy is missing two.
16:59 cait               hi #koha
17:00 rhcl               hi cait
17:00 cait               hi rhcl
17:12 huginn             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6321] Add a 1/4 month frequency <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6321>
17:34 libsysguy_lunchage So I am trying to call CalcFine from the circulation module...i added use Overdues; but I still get an error that it is an undef subroutine
17:37 jcamins_away       libsysguy_lunchage: I know you've been waiting with bated breath to hear about the number of pages in this book, so here's the conclusion: they're two different books.
17:38 libsysguy          OMG!
17:38 libsysguy          what a twist
17:38 * oleonard-away    does a spit-take all over his monitor!!1
17:39 libsysguy          what is the difference between a plate and a page
17:41 sekjal             libsysguy:  are you invoking it as CalcFine(), or C4::Overdues::CalcFine()
17:41 jcamins_away       Plates are printed off of a single metal plate, and I'm using page as an abbreviation for "pages of letterpress printed text."
17:41 libsysguy          CalcFine()
17:42 sekjal             libsysguy:  then you need "use C4::Overdues qw(CalcFine);" instead of just "use C4::Overdues;"
17:42 libsysguy          ohh gotcha
17:42 jcamins_away       oleonard-away: I know! And that's not even the most shocking discovery!
17:42 libsysguy          oh yeah becuase I could do qw(:all)
17:43 libsysguy          but that is not recommended
17:43 jcamins_away       The text was re-set line-for-line.
17:43 sekjal             libsysguy:  that would bring all the subroutines in C4/Overdues into C4/Circulation.... probably okay, but not worth the CPU cycles
17:48 jcamins_away       And, for those of you questioning my conclusions, I checked, and the text does not match that of the 1553 edition.
17:54 libsysguy          that fixed it sekjal++
18:07 sekjal             libsysguy:  yay!
18:08 libsysguy          too bad my fix didn't work like it was supposed to :'(
18:09 jcamins_away       I think someone in the printing house sat there laughing gleefully as he came up with ways to stump future bibliographers.
18:56 libsysguy          hey sekjal is there a different function for check in if you do the checkbox from the patrons account?
18:57 oleonard           Bug 3514
18:57 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions
18:57 sekjal             libsysguy:  not sure; I just know that it doesn't handle holds properly
18:57 sekjal             probably because of a lack of message processing, rather than a different subroutine
18:58 libsysguy          ohh...hmm
18:58 libsysguy          interesting
18:58 wahanui            well, interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
18:58 libsysguy          wahanui: this time bad
18:58 wahanui            libsysguy: huh?
18:59 cait               hm holds without trnasports seems to work nice
18:59 cait               I was doing that a lot lately
18:59 cait               returning from there and holds got picked up
18:59 cait               perhaps transports are a problem?
19:28 * cait             puts a bowl of cookies in the middle of #koha
19:28 cait               so silent for a friday
19:28 jcamins_away       Mmm.
19:29 * libsysguy        takes a cookie
19:29 libsysguy          wahanui can you tell us a story?
19:29 wahanui            libsysguy: i don't know
19:30 jcamins_away       I would love to bake tonight, but unfortunately I have to read the other half of this book on the sons of parish priests in late Imperial Russia.
19:31 cait               sounds....
19:31 cait               very academic
19:32 jcamins_away       It's pretty fast, thankfully.
19:38 rhcl               jcamins_away: are you reading it in old church slavonic?
19:38 rangi              morning
19:38 rhcl               afternoon
19:39 libsysguy          afternoon indeed
19:39 cait               morning rangi
19:40 jcamins_away       rhcl: nope. Thankfully it's in English.
19:40 rhcl               can you read ocs?
19:40 jcamins_away       Otherwise finishing the 220 page book between yesterday and today would have been problematic, in light of the fact that I'm out pretty much all day both days.
19:40 jcamins_away       Nope.
19:41 cait               why are you reading it?
19:41 rhcl               http://www.ewrd.com/ewrd/index.asp?gclid=CLrI4d_CoqsCFcsBQAodE2yG7w
19:42 jcamins_away       For class.
19:42 andersonbd1        I'm up and running having just installed.  I have no data or anything, but I wanted to see how koha acts as an oai-pmh repository because our project (eXtensible catalog) needs to be able to harvest from koha.
19:42 andersonbd1        I enabled oai-pmh here:http://ubuntu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=web_services
19:43 andersonbd1        and then attempted this query: http://ubuntu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/oai.pl?verb=Identify
19:43 jcamins_away       rhcl: perhaps one day I'll take a speed reading course. I'm a pretty fast reader already.
19:43 andersonbd1        but I get a 404
19:44 jcamins_away       That doesn't seem right to me.
19:44 andersonbd1        am I using the right url for oai-pmh?  do I need to configure it somehow?
19:44 jcamins_away       I think it should just be http://ubuntu/...
19:44 jcamins_away       I'm not 100% sure, but that just seems wrong, that OAI would be on the staff interface.
19:45 andersonbd1        aha - thanks
19:47 andersonbd1        ok - so now I go to http://ubuntu/cgi-bin/koha/oai.pl?verb=ListMetadataFormats and get http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SU52snk3
19:48 andersonbd1        what's up with "<metadataNamespace>http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/ standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim</metadataNamespace>" ?
19:49 jcamins_away       I don't know anything about OAI, but that sounds like the MARC21slim XML schema namespace?
19:50 jcamins_away       (as opposed to the other MARC21 XML schema, I mean)
19:50 andersonbd1        I would expect it to be <metadataNamespace>http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/ standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim</metadataNamespace>
19:50 andersonbd1        whoops - that last copy was wrong
19:51 andersonbd1        I would expect it to be <metadataNamespace>http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim</metadataNamespace>
19:51 jcamins_away       Ah.
19:51 jcamins_away       Report a bug?
19:51 andersonbd1        ok - will do
19:51 jcamins_away       If it is one, and I presume it is since you're finding it problematic.
19:51 andersonbd1        and if it's not - someone will explain why it's not there?
19:52 jcamins_away       Right.
19:56 jcamins_away       Ugh. This MARC editor.
19:57 jcamins_away       I hit Alt-Space (I think), and it followed a link, erasing all my changes.
20:05 jcamins_away       One day I will have time to finish my simple cataloging interface, and it will be glorious.
20:05 cait               hehe
20:05 jcamins_away       Or we'll have DOM indexing so that I don't need to worry about authorities, and I'll start using pianohacker's direct MARC interface.
20:06 jcamins_away       That would be glorious, too.
20:07 cait               :)
20:09 jcamins_away       Has that been committed yet?
20:09 oleonard           No
20:10 oleonard           I did a quick test, but nothing which could justify a signoff
20:10 * oleonard         thinks the ball is in jcamins_away's court ;)
20:11 * jcamins_away     thinks chances are not good for it getting into 3.6, then.
20:11 oleonard           Besides needing the basic functionality tested, we still need a good way to offer both alternatives to the user
20:11 jcamins_away       The only way I could justify the time to test it would be if I could actually use the feature for actual cataloging.
20:12 jcamins_away       (and due to the authorities issue, I couldn't)
20:13 jcamins_away       Ah, yeah, definitely need to offer an alternative.
20:15 jcamins_away       That's right, there was a redirect to access the direct MARC entry page in the first version.
20:19 oleonard           Happy weekend #koha
20:20 jcamins_away       He sure does sign out quickly.
20:20 cait               yep
20:21 jcamins_away       Not that I blame him.
20:21 jcamins_away       If I got weekends, I'd probably go rushing off to enjoy them too.
20:21 cait               aw
20:21 cait               you don't enjoy spending time with us?
20:21 jcamins_away       No, I do. :)
20:22 jcamins_away       But if I had weekends I'd do things like leave the city.
20:24 cait               hm