Time Nick Message 23:35 rangi that should give you enough to go on 23:35 rangi return ($amount, $data->{chargename}, $days_minus_grace); 23:35 rangi i suspect $days_minus_grace is becoming 0 23:34 rangi my $days_minus_grace = $chargeable_units - $data->{firstremind}; if ($data->{'chargeperiod'} && $days_minus_grace ) { 23:23 rangi try git show 5c7c3377 when you get back 23:22 rangi yes the entire CalcFine sub has changed 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / branches 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / clone-rules 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / patron-attr-types 23:21 jenkins_koha * katrin.fischer: Fix for Bug 6458 Follow-up for memberentrygen.tt 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 23:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/412/ 23:19 rangi cya later 23:18 libsysguy ok 23:18 rangi thats change 23:18 libsysguy gotta run...sorry rangi...gf is complaining about being hungry :'( 23:18 rangi i think its CalcFine itself 23:18 rangi but i dont think thats the problem 23:18 libsysguy hmm...ok ill focus on that when i get back 23:18 rangi ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; # or it's not overdue, right? 23:18 rangi in master its 23:18 rangi yeah thats diff 23:17 libsysguy oops...should have used pastebin...my bad 23:17 libsysguy $branchcode, $datedue, $today ); 23:17 libsysguy CalcFine( $overdue, $borrower->{categorycode}, 23:17 libsysguy my ( $amount, $type, $daycounttotal ) = 23:17 libsysguy ++$counted; 23:17 libsysguy } 23:17 libsysguy next; # not overdue 23:17 libsysguy if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) { 23:17 libsysguy my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} ); 23:17 libsysguy i have this 23:17 libsysguy oh oh 23:17 rangi yep ill be here 23:17 rangi ill investigate what changed for 5549 23:17 rangi that sets the amount, and how overdue 23:16 rangi CalcFine($data->[$i] 23:16 rangi my ($amount,$type,$daycounttotal,$daycount)= 23:16 rangi $overdueItemsCounted++; 23:16 rangi CalcFine 23:16 libsysguy ok...in the mean time I have dinner planned with my Swede...ill be back on later if you're still around? 23:15 rangi its getting past that, so thats good 23:15 rangi ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; 23:15 rangi lemme check it out 23:14 rangi that is the problem 23:14 rangi so i suspect the code that is calculating how overdue something is 23:14 rangi yeah 23:14 rangi (3505 lines for this mornings run) 23:14 libsysguy that it saw it as overdue but didn't put a number in for it 23:14 libsysguy I found that odd as well 23:13 rangi interesting i see nothin that have 0 for days overdue 23:13 libsysguy yes it is 23:12 rangi and thats the file for the 13th eh? 23:12 libsysguy I can try merging...but not till this weekend 23:12 libsysguy but...maybe 23:12 libsysguy well there are only about 3 lines in the fines script that changed for hourly 23:12 rangi yeah see in normal koha, there is no time, just date 23:12 libsysguy this is what I have 712830 0000002027266 2011-09-12 23:59:00 0 0 23:12 rangi or the changes to do with hourly 23:11 libsysguy hmm 23:11 rangi my guess its it somethign to do with circ rules 23:10 rangi so its picking it as 1 day overdue 23:10 rangi Library Assistant 10398 141155 2011-09-13 1 23:10 rangi and i see things like 23:10 rangi its the 14th here today 23:09 libsysguy same as the db 23:09 libsysguy the 12th 23:09 libsysguy and it was working (or so I thought 23:09 rangi what does it say for date_due 23:09 libsysguy I tested fines for hourly 23:09 rangi but if its saying 0 days overdue, then yeah its not gonna charge anything 23:09 libsysguy I believe so 23:08 rangi other fines are going on eh? 23:08 libsysguy what is sysprefs? 23:08 rangi right, that would be why it didnt do it then 23:07 libsysguy but the days overdue also says 0 23:07 rangi in sysprefs 23:07 rangi one thing to check 23:07 rangi right 23:07 libsysguy but no fine at the end...it just says 0 23:07 rangi anything in the fines column? 23:07 rangi you can open it libreoffice or gnumeric it makes its easier to read 23:07 libsysguy yeah i see the patron 23:07 rangi its a tab sep file 23:06 rangi yeah 23:06 libsysguy just the patron 23:06 libsysguy oh man...so should I look for anything in particular 23:06 rangi yeah 23:05 libsysguy look at the ones for the 13th? 23:05 libsysguy heh 23:05 rangi probably running it every 30 mins makes them less useful tho 23:05 rangi there should be some .log files 23:04 libsysguy that is what I would have expected as well 23:04 rangi look in /tmp 23:04 rangi given the appropriate circ rules being set 23:04 rangi id have expected, that one would go on at 00:30 on the 13th then 23:04 libsysguy is what I have in my crontab 23:03 libsysguy 30 * * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/fines.pl 23:03 rangi round 6am 23:03 rangi (on normal koha we just run it once a day) 23:03 rangi you are sure the fines cron job runs every 30 mins? 23:03 libsysguy so based on normal koha would you say fine or no fine 23:02 libsysguy ok so the due date was 2011-09-12 23:59:00 and the return date was 2011-09-13 13:38:58 22:56 eythian jcamins: you can, yep 22:56 libsysguy oh trust me I know 22:55 eythian often the way ;) 22:54 libsysguy ok I'll investigate further...it may be that the librarian is crazy ;) 22:54 libsysguy gotcha 22:54 rangi that has a nice datetime stamp on it, so will tell you exactly when it was returned 22:53 rangi select * from statistics where itemnumber= whatever and type='return'; 22:53 rangi and/or statistics 22:52 rangi that has all the returned itesm 22:52 rangi old_issues 22:52 libsysguy what table? 22:52 libsysguy btw i understand your frustration with SVN...Coral uses it still :'( 22:52 rangi well you can check it in the db, it will log the returndate 22:52 libsysguy odd... 22:51 libsysguy but (going by what my circulation librarian told me) the patron turned the item in the day after it was due with no charge 22:51 rangi then yes after 1 day overdue, it should apply a fine 22:51 libsysguy 0 22:51 rangi whats the grace period set to 22:51 libsysguy so yes I would assume it would 22:51 libsysguy well the interval is set to one 22:50 libsysguy I;m thinking time shouldn't come into play here since its still running at night 22:50 rangi depends what your circ rules say 22:50 libsysguy so the day after it was due there should be a fine...right 22:50 rangi only the day 22:50 rangi times dont matter 22:50 rangi right so for normal koha, it only gets a fine if its returned on a day other than the day it was due 22:49 rangi so if someone has returned it before the cron job runs, then it wont get a fine 22:49 libsysguy right so the cron run every 30 minutes 22:49 rangi and it only works it out, when the cron job runs 22:48 rangi for fines, because thats the minimum period you can define for the fine to be applied 22:48 libsysguy but didn't assess a fine 22:48 rangi day 22:48 libsysguy Koha said the item was overdue 22:48 rangi for normal koha, the minimum period for a book to be overdue is 1 22:48 libsysguy basically we had a prof turn in a book the day after it was due 22:48 libsysguy but normal koha for the example im trying to fix 22:47 libsysguy well they both run on the same code in this case 22:47 rangi are you talking hourly loans, or normal koha 22:47 libsysguy because it does end_date-start_date 22:47 rangi ? 22:47 libsysguy then the chargeable_units would still be 0 right? 22:46 rangi yup 22:46 libsysguy well if a person is lets say 45 minutes late turning in a book 22:46 rangi they calculate acording to your circ rules 22:46 rangi ? 22:45 libsysguy so it looks like fines calculate a day late? 22:45 rangi yup 22:45 libsysguy I have a question about fines 22:45 libsysguy hey guys 22:37 jenkins_koha Starting build 412 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago) 22:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68de42d59d7070bc58f25cb13ad159d8c70aafc6> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=362b82c51d1ff4fe6506f7724e8dac7d0a24ebd0> / Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing 21:59 rangi get these tests not failing 21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 21:59 rangi im gonna try to push some more bug 6458 21:58 rangi right 21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files 21:53 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files 21:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #411: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/411/ 21:48 sekjal night, all! 21:20 maximep mine doesn't 21:20 maximep probably not normal that your jenkins outputs : Devel::Cover: Can't find file "cmp_ok 21:07 jenkins_koha Starting build 411 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago) 20:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5234' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8bd9b146076c9620d34a45fed41e4c069e96c32> / Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d976f3dd5e9b36784562a02da25ae04122d86> 20:43 wizzyrea or you can cat /etc/lsb-release 20:42 wizzyrea oh and andersonbd1, on ubuntu you can get the nice name by executing lsb_release -irc 20:35 rhcl andersonbd1: drop off the final "35" from the link above and you should see the blank form. Just this: http://paste.koha-community.org 20:33 maximep sure works for me 20:27 rangi pastebin.com would work too 20:25 rangi can others see it? 20:25 rangi weird you should get a form 20:24 andersonbd1 in a browser? I don't see anything when I go there. 20:20 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "like this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 20:20 rangi and hit paste it 20:20 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 20:20 rangi change the channel to #koha 20:20 rangi paste into that big box 20:20 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/ you go here 20:20 andersonbd1 thanks much rangi. will do that and report back. not sure how to use that past.koha-community.org link - am I missing something obvious? 20:19 rangi but you will need them all 20:19 rangi that is the one missing that is causing your immediate error 20:19 rangi CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml 20:18 rangi yep, that would be my firsl step 20:18 rangi if you want to paste something ;) 20:18 rangi paste.koha-community.org 20:18 andersonbd1 aha - I need to install all of those don't I? 20:18 andersonbd1 MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCor 0 * 20:18 andersonbd1 Locale::PO 0 * 0.17 Yes 20:18 andersonbd1 Locale::Currency::Format 0 * 1.28 Yes 20:18 wizzyrea afk 20:18 rangi oh btw, in future, you can use 20:18 andersonbd1 Lingua::Stem::Snowball 0 * 0.952 Yes 20:18 rangi looks like lots missing ;) 20:18 andersonbd1 HTTP::OAI 0 * 3.2 Yes 20:18 andersonbd1 HTML::Template::Pro 0 * 0.69 Yes 20:18 andersonbd1 Graphics::Magick 0 * 1.3.05 No 20:18 andersonbd1 Email::Date 0 * 1.103 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 DateTime 0 * 0.51 Yes 20:17 wizzyrea so, some stuff. 20:17 andersonbd1 Date::ICal 0 * 1.72 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 Data::ICal 0 * 0.13 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 DBD::SQLite2 0 * 0.33 No 20:17 andersonbd1 CGI::Session::Serialize::y 0 * 4.2 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 CGI::Session::Driver::memc 0 * 0.04 No 20:17 andersonbd1 Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0 * 0.05 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 Authen::CAS::Client 0 * 0.05 Yes 20:17 andersonbd1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20:17 andersonbd1 Module Name Current Version Required Version Module Required 20:17 andersonbd1 andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m 20:17 wizzyrea oo, I smell a faq there. 20:16 rangi ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m 20:16 rangi run 20:16 rangi in your unpacked tarball 20:15 rangi andersonbd1: can you try this 20:14 rangi yeah apt-get is definitely the best way to do it 20:14 andersonbd1 I have CGI::Session (disclaimer: I am a perl/CPAN novice)... I've been using apt-get to install these modules (eg: sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-perl) 20:12 andersonbd1 Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 20:12 andersonbd1 andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ uname -a 20:11 * wizzyrea idly wonders if you are missing CGI::Session 20:11 wizzyrea what version of ubuntu? 20:09 andersonbd1 make test passed 20:08 wizzyrea well make test will usually give you a hint 20:08 rangi my stop bbiab 20:08 andersonbd1 not sure about that - how do I know if modules are missing? 20:08 * rangi hasn't bumped into this one before 20:08 rangi hmm and you have no missing modules? 20:08 wizzyrea :) what he said 20:07 andersonbd1 http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 20:07 rangi cool 20:07 andersonbd1 koha-3.04.04 20:07 wizzyrea where did you download it from? 20:07 wizzyrea maybe a better question 20:06 wahanui 3.4.4 is the current stable release 20:06 rangi 3.4.4 ? 20:05 rangi what version are u installing? 20:05 andersonbd1 For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@ubuntu), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. 20:05 andersonbd1 Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 291. 20:05 andersonbd1 Software error: 20:05 andersonbd1 and I got this error: 20:04 andersonbd1 I went through all the install steps and got to the point where I go to the browser (http://ubuntu:8080) - which is the name of my machine 20:04 * druthb doesn't resist. 20:04 rangi maybe canada 20:04 huginn druthb: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 20:04 druthb @quote get 145 20:04 rangi hmm I know Georgia is, can't member the others, namibia too I think 20:04 * wizzyrea resists the urge to quote get 145 :) 20:03 oleonard Go for it andersonbd1 20:03 andersonbd1 total newbie looking for help :-) 20:03 wizzyrea who's playing? 20:03 rangi 3 games today 20:00 cait :) 19:58 wizzyrea :D 19:57 rangi yeah pretty neat, the best salespeople are always happy users :) 19:56 wizzyrea lol! 19:56 rangi session sold out 19:56 wizzyrea Nice! 19:55 rangi to the special library association 19:55 rangi the nz treasury dept is presenting on koha tomorrow 19:55 rangi oh heres some cool news 19:54 cait hehe 19:53 jcamins Right. 19:53 jcamins Ah. 19:53 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:53 jcamins @quote get 123 19:52 rangi heh 19:52 * wizzyrea loves how everyone now calls it a "quote 123 problem" 19:52 wizzyrea ah that's a number I should remember 19:51 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 19:51 wizzyrea @quote random 19:51 huginn rangi: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010) 19:51 rangi @quote random 19:51 wizzyrea ok that made me spit water out of my nose. 19:50 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #153 added. 19:50 gmcharlt @quote add <rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better 19:49 maximep so true 19:47 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:47 rangi @later tell libsysguy merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better 19:45 wizzyrea ooooo 19:45 rangi most importantly recabling too 19:45 wizzyrea stinky 19:45 rangi redoing all the aircon, and carpets and stuff in the building 19:44 wizzyrea yes it is 19:44 wizzyrea yes 19:44 wizzyrea ew 19:44 rangi new carpet is stinky 19:44 wizzyrea what'd I do? 19:44 rangi I hope the solvent smell is gone 19:44 druthb wizzyrea++ 19:40 rangi gonna be a nice day, crisp morning and now blue sky 19:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on September 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 19:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz 19:37 oleonard Hi rangi 19:36 rangi Morning 18:28 jcamins gmcharlt: ah. Thanks. Suddenly people have been e-mailing it to all my mailing lists, and I can't quite figure out why. 18:26 wizzyrea ty 18:26 wizzyrea lol 18:25 jcamins Third row from the bottom, second from the left. 18:25 jcamins wizzyrea: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.128861503649.106942.94990393649 18:21 wizzyrea I (shamefully) admit I haven't seen it 18:21 wizzyrea jcamins do you have the link to that PSA? 18:20 gmcharlt jcamins: it's been out there for a while -- and pretty important, at least to the extent that it makes libraries think twice before automatically assigning their bibliographic data to an entity that would try to make it proprietary 18:09 Brooke so I cancelled out 18:09 Brooke it's taking me to edit the template for rfcs 18:09 Brooke if I go to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notifications_RFC 18:07 Brooke it's doin' it again! 18:07 Brooke kia ora 18:04 jcamins By the way, was anyone able to figure out what the point of the Open Bibliography Principles is? 17:52 cait ok, now it worked - green tea someone? 17:40 cait hehe true 17:40 jcamins It's not quite as bad as when you forget to heat the water, though. 17:40 jcamins I hate it when I do that. 17:39 cait long day 17:38 * cait tried to make tea a minute ago, but forgot to put the tea leaves into the tea pot before adding water 17:38 cait mm :) 17:37 * sekjal pours cait a cup, as well 17:37 cait can I have some too? 17:37 cait oh 17:37 * sekjal pours libsysguy some tea 17:29 jcamins wizzyrea: well, I guess you probably don't talk to them much, but if you do, great PSA. :) 17:27 * chris_n crawls out of the woodwork upon hearing his name 17:26 sekjal libsysguy: huzzah! 17:26 libsysguy does that make me done for the day? 17:26 * libsysguy successfully merged master and hourly 17:25 wizzyrea jcamins: LPL is *in* NEKLS, but isn't part of NExpress (yet, if ever) 17:25 libsysguy i would indeed love a cup 17:24 sekjal libsysguy: I'm going to make some green tea; would you care for an e-cup? 17:22 libsysguy I'd be angry all the time dealing with code conflicts lol 17:22 libsysguy poor rangi...I'm surprised he is always in such a good mood 17:21 sekjal chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch 17:21 sekjal libsysguy: yes, rangi is RM for 3.6, and does all the committing to the Koha master branch 17:21 libsysguy is that rangi? 17:21 libsysguy haha ohh I thought you were the merge master :p 17:20 sekjal okay, sometimes there is rebasing 17:20 sekjal I just write and test code 17:20 * sekjal doesn't 17:20 libsysguy this is a mess...how does sekjal do this for the whole community 17:18 jcamins Could be. 17:18 libsysguy jcamins hmm looks like you have to commit then do a pull 17:14 jcamins Are you sure you don't have to correct the conflict, add the file, then run something like git merge --continue? 17:14 libsysguy me either :'( 17:14 jcamins I have no idea. I've never used merge. 17:13 libsysguy is it just git commit -m "merged branch" 17:13 libsysguy lol 17:13 libsysguy lots of changes need to be committed 17:12 jcamins Run git status and see what it says. 17:12 libsysguy after a merge do I have to commit or can i just consider it done? 17:11 libsysguy there is no face to represent eternal sadness 17:11 libsysguy omg...all the comments in kohastructure :'( 17:09 jcamins Yeah, that's pretty much a given. 17:08 libsysguy always a conflict with updatedatabase *smh* 17:06 jcamins And rerun the merge command. 17:06 jcamins Just run git fetch origin 17:06 jcamins libsysguy: but if you already resolved some of the conflicts, it won't be so painful when you merge in the rest. 17:05 libsysguy crap... 17:05 sekjal ^^ 17:05 jcamins libsysguy: only if you did git fetch origin first. 17:00 libsysguy that should pull the most recent right? 17:00 libsysguy I checked out hourly on my dev box then merged it with origin/master 16:59 libsysguy god I hope I remembered to do that 16:59 sekjal this was fixed last week or so (very recent) 16:59 sekjal libsysguy: did you pull the most recent master code before? 16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: If they are, tell them their "A book commits suicide every time you watch Jersey Shore" PSA is awesome. 16:58 libsysguy :'( 16:58 libsysguy b-b-but i just rebased on that 16:58 sekjal some of the CAS improvements damaged LDAP connections 16:58 sekjal libsysguy: I think that was fixed in current HEAD 16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: Lawrence Public Library is part of NEKLS, right? 16:57 libsysguy I only ask because I'm using LDAP and I was getting an error but when i tell auth to use auth_with_ldap it starts working again 16:56 libsysguy in Auth.pm I see a line that says "use vars qw($some_vars);" where do those vars get set? 16:48 jcamins s/already/all ready/ 16:48 jcamins Hi, bengard. Tell Nicole that Myshkin was already to visit and offer post-operation comfort: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/302971_734013189769_24800824_37561354_2000990890_n.jpg 16:47 * libsysguy is finally done rebasing 16:47 oleonard Give her our best 16:46 nengard it's Brian; I'm just transferring files. Nicole's doing fine, but can't really use her computer right now. 16:45 oleonard Hi nengard! 16:39 jcamins (at least, the files from this particular source) 16:39 jcamins To avoid this being an issue in the future, have them select the encoding MARC-8 when staging records from a file. 16:39 * libsysguy is frustrated 16:39 * libsysguy is trying to merge hourly with master 16:39 oleonard Sure thing lastnode 16:38 jcamins Unfortunately for you, the fix I came up with is not usable in your context. 16:38 lastnode thanks again, mate 16:38 chris_n stupid firefox 16:38 lastnode oleonard++ 16:38 lastnode so im off 16:37 libsysguy haha that is how I generally feel when working with sekjal 16:37 jcamins libsysguy: sekjal is so awesome, he deserves credit for everything. :D 16:37 jcamins sekjal: I was the one who fixed it. 16:37 jcamins sekjal: never mind. 16:36 jcamins sekjal: way back at the very beginning. 16:32 sekjal but that was to fix indexing 16:32 sekjal jcamins: I don't recall such a fix; I do remember using TouchBiblios.pl to update the Normalization 16:31 libsysguy ohh...ok...I told margo to verify that the records with diacritics from one of our librarians were correct...the other librarian uses connexion (sp) so that may be causing the issue 16:30 jcamins It was encoded as MARC-8, but treated as UTF-8. 16:30 jcamins sekjal: this is what the ANS ran into, that you wrote the script to fix. 16:30 sekjal libsysguy: MARC-21 is the Marc flavour; MARC-8 would be the character encoding 16:28 oleonard lastnode: Good. 16:28 libsysguy sekjal I think they are importing in Marc-21 16:27 lastnode oleonard: yes 16:26 oleonard lastnode: Are you using z39.50 to search for existing records? 16:26 oleonard lastnode: There's no reason for you not to follow the suggestion of the LOC CIP data, but for original cataloging you might skip the decimals 16:26 sekjal looks like the data in the MARC is just plain wrong. not sure if re-encoding from MARC-8 to UTF-8 would help... 16:26 libsysguy hmm 16:25 lastnode thank you very much for your help 16:25 lastnode right, oleonard. i guess i could start with just doing primary dewey classification (no decimals) and then seeing if i can get my school to pay for OCLC access later 16:25 sekjal libsysguy: doesn't look like a normalization problem, which is what I've figured out a scripted fix for 16:23 jcamins Heh. 16:22 oleonard The marc editor is pretty hardcore if advancedMarceditor and hide_marc are both set to "don't display" http://screencast.com/t/SSA0kqEzV7C 16:21 jcamins Regardless, you have to pay for it. 16:21 jcamins Or the online version. 16:21 oleonard lastnode: Or you can pay for online access I think 16:21 jcamins lastnode: the official DDC books. 16:21 oleonard The Dewey Decimal Classification system is property of OCLC 16:20 lastnode oleonard: so there is no public list of post-decimal classifications? 16:16 kf ok, time to go :) bye all! 16:14 jcamins sekjal: didn't you write a script that fixes encoding issues like this? 16:13 * jcamins shamlessly passes the buck. 16:13 libsysguy ohh so i have to do it with a script 16:13 libsysguy how do I do that 16:13 jcamins libsysguy: sekjal has a script that does it, I think. 16:13 libsysguy jcamins prepare for my newb question 16:13 * oleonard can do so using Firebug and see the correct character 16:13 jcamins libsysguy: looks like you need to re-encode your catalog. 16:12 kf I would try copy and paste from there and check if it still looks weird ) 16:12 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number 16:12 oleonard I've seen something similar, and it wasn't a font problem. 16:11 kf libsysguy: hm, perhaps the font does not provide this character? or wrong normalization form? looks almost like a ö umlaut to me - but the '' look a bit weird on the cover 16:09 libsysguy sekjal, jcamins and example of our encoding problem http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=421669 16:09 oleonard Does that make sense lastnode? 16:09 oleonard .083 7 means 1970-1979, .083 8 means 1980-1989, etc. 16:08 oleonard And then it says .083 6 means "1958-1969" 16:08 oleonard So for instance, our DDC reference says the .083 means "Period of the Fifth Republic, 1958-" 16:08 kf oh wow 16:08 oleonard ...because OCLC isn't looking out for you, it just wants your money. 16:07 oleonard lastnode: The only way to find out exactly what the .083 /means/ is to find a DDC reference, which you'll have to pay for 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present 16:04 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/... 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/... 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/... 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/... 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/... 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt 16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc 16:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse 16:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL 16:04 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up 16:04 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages 16:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #43: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/43/ 15:57 wahanui git bisect is our friend here 15:57 jcamins git bisect. 15:57 oleonard Isn't there a git command where you can step through commits to see where a bug arose? 15:52 kf oleonard: I will ask for more details and perhaps they have a suggeston what would work better 15:52 kf oleonard: thank you 15:51 jcamins /6 is giving you an option for going into more detail. 15:51 jcamins .083 is part of the classification. 15:51 wahanui hdl was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 1 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday [Tue Sep 13 09:48:41 2011] 15:51 libsysguy seen hdl? 15:49 libsysguy hmm so maybe the record import is not importing correctly? 15:49 lastnode (944) now i want to know what .083 means. andthen /6 15:48 lastnode that is History & geography>>History of Europe>>France & Monaco 15:48 lastnode 944.083/6 - Charles de Gaulle - Lacouture, Jean. 15:47 libsysguy the charset is utf8 15:47 lastnode sure 15:47 oleonard lastnode: Do you have an example? 15:47 lastnode (I am not a Librarian) 15:47 lastnode the dewey numbers i grab from LOC - ive been trying to interpret them too. sometimes they dotn amke sense :( 15:47 jcamins I think that will tell you what the encoding is set to. 15:46 lastnode which is why i asked. 15:46 lastnode oleonard: yes im using the LOC call numbers, though some books i am entering dont hvae LOC entries. 15:46 jcamins SHOW CREATE TABLE biblioitem; 15:46 jcamins libsysguy: probaby not MySQL encoding, but it's worth checking. 15:46 libsysguy or is there a mysql command that i can run 15:46 libsysguy is it in my.cnf? 15:46 libsysguy can you refresh me on how to check that 15:45 sekjal libsysguy: it's possible. what are your MySQL encodings for your Koha database? 15:44 kf oleonard: hm 15:44 libsysguy is that a mysql issue 15:44 libsysguy some of ours are messed up 15:43 libsysguy I have a question about diacritics 15:43 oleonard One of the problems is that the all-capital-letters text is, for some fields, a link which controls the collapse behavior 15:42 kf I wonder what would be better, treat them like headings? 15:42 kf seems right? 15:42 kf looks right to me 15:41 oleonard The text in all capital letters is not a label. The text below it is. 15:41 kf if it's a problem for all fields or only some of them 15:41 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/hjRzhtuMAjBc 15:41 kf I will try to check wtih the library 15:40 oleonard Tag has no subfields, the description isn't a label 15:40 kf hmm 15:40 oleonard In the Koha editor some fields have their own label, but not all. If the field has subfields, then the subfields each have a label 15:39 oleonard kf: I think what they mean is that the screen reader is looking for a <label> <input> pair. 15:33 kf oleonard: I think so 15:33 * oleonard wonders why addbiblio looks so different today 15:32 * chris_n wonders if oleonard has on rose-colored glasses today ;) 15:30 oleonard field description as in "CONTROL NUMBER," etc? 15:28 kf thank you :) 15:28 * oleonard is looking 15:27 kf and I thought you might have an idea about it 15:27 kf and they complain that field descrption and field in cataloging can not be associated with each other 15:26 kf I have a library with a blind staff member testing koha 15:26 kf ;) 15:26 oleonard kf: Sure 15:26 oleonard ;) 15:26 kf the color is a bit extreme 15:26 kf oleonard: have a minuet? 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients 15:25 oleonard I'm working on Bug 6865. What do y'all think? http://screencast.com/t/tHHspuRZBhv 15:22 jenkins_koha Starting build 43 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:11 libsysguy thanks sekjal 15:10 trea kf++ 15:09 kf trea: man_inv or somethingl like that 15:09 kf trea: authorized values 15:08 sekjal libsysguy: 6430 and 6431 are constituent parts of 5549, so yes, they'll interact very smoothly 15:04 trea can someone refresh my memory as to where in the manual accounttypes are defined? 15:01 libsysguy gotcha...6431 and 6430 looked new 15:00 sekjal will have to check 15:00 sekjal libsysguy_class: hmmm, not sure 15:00 libsysguy_class sekjal...are bugs 6431, 6430, and 5549 going to play nice with each other? 14:59 oleonard (with hidelostitems turned on of course) 14:58 oleonard I know the answer, but it does point out some inconsistency. 14:58 oleonard I just had a librarian ask me why titles are showing up in search results even though all their items are lost. 14:51 kf jcamins: great - thx 14:50 jcamins When it's not turned on, the tab doesn't show up. 14:50 jcamins kf: yes. 14:50 kf libsysguy_class: heh - good plan! 14:49 kf jcamins: as in hiding the new function? 14:49 oleonard lastnode: Are you using the call numbers assigned to the books by the LOC? 14:49 kf jcamins: is it possible to deactivate it? 14:48 libsysguy_class cool I was just putting in a reminder to send out a reminder :p 14:48 sekjal libsysguy_class: yes, that's the plan 14:48 lastnode oleonard: sorry for the late reply. yes, im doing original cataologing for somebooks. 14:48 libsysguy_class sekjal we are meeting on thursday right? 14:42 jcamins Thanks. 14:42 sekjal going to take a look soon, and hopefully pass it through QA 14:42 sekjal jcamins: yes, I did see 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 14:42 jcamins sekjal: did you see my message about bug 5528? I tested it, and couldn't find any regressions, but I couldn't figure out how to sign off on it. 14:39 oleonard Ah, of course. So this is not a symptom of the crazy. 14:37 sekjal oleonard: they were recreated when in the switch to T:T 14:34 kf check your git log for the commit id? 14:34 oleonard Are those files gone for everyone else? 14:34 kf out of ideas 14:34 oleonard en 14:34 kf or at another language folder? 14:33 kf oleonard: are you looking at en? 14:33 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=8464104fb299d1b1d707c0a083a04dce7c108953 14:33 * kf was about to suggest checking your branch 14:31 wizzyrea hum 14:31 oleonard And I am looking at master 14:30 wizzyrea hehe 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files 14:30 oleonard Can someone help me understand what's going on with Bug 5234? chris says it has been pushed, but I still see those files 14:25 trea and sometimes very extremely not good. 14:24 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 14:24 wizzyrea interesting 14:23 kf quite unlikely 14:23 jcamins Did you know that Iran has an island which doesn't require a visa (or didn't used to require a visa) to visit? 14:23 * oleonard checks his globe 14:22 rhcl just don't walk over the border into Iran 14:22 wizzyrea ooooo 14:21 kf so you get 2 countries at the price of one ;) 14:21 kf wizzyrea: and bonus: if you visit me you can _walk_ over the border to switzerland :) 14:20 wizzyrea t 14:20 wizzyrea oleonard: I don't know about you but I've been missing gmcharl 14:20 * oleonard startles as gmcharlt appears out of nowhere 14:20 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #152 added. 14:20 wizzyrea @quote add gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time 14:20 wizzyrea hehe 14:20 gmcharlt Koha: unifying the world one library at a time 14:20 wizzyrea gmcharlt: hi! 14:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: trea: sounds like you're set to be world travelers :) 14:19 wizzyrea and your delicious cookies 14:19 wizzyrea for beer and sausages alone :P 14:19 trea ^^ 14:18 wizzyrea I would LOVE that 14:18 trea :D 14:18 * kf thinks wizzyrea should visit germany next :) 14:18 jcamins Oh, yeah, good morning. 14:17 wizzyrea oh and good morning 14:16 wizzyrea lulz 14:16 * oleonard was afraid for a moment wizzyrea was going to bust out singing "Over the rainbow" 14:16 wizzyrea i've been in probably 46 or 47 of the US states though. 14:15 wizzyrea indeed not 14:15 jcamins Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand are not parts of Kansas. :P 14:15 wizzyrea :) 14:15 * jcamins knows, he was just contextualizing. 14:14 * wizzyrea reminds jcamins that she's been to Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand 14:14 wizzyrea shh 14:14 jcamins wizzyrea: well, if you go far enough in any direction, you'll reach the edge of the continent, and find an ocean. On the other side of the ocean, there's more land. :P 14:13 wizzyrea that is, it's the only place I've *lived* 14:13 * wizzyrea is from NW MO, originally, but Kansas is all I know 13:33 * druthb got to see more of SW Iowa and NW Missouri on the way here than she had planned on...70-some miles of I 29 were closed, and the detour was *way* out in the cornfields. 13:32 rhcl_away u2 funny 13:30 jcamins Kansas isn't generally the state that comes to mind when I think "corn," but it does contribute 4% of the United States' corn production. 13:30 oleonard Oh, I think you're thinking of Iowa :P 13:29 jcamins oleonard: I was referring to "corny." ;) 13:28 druthb I was thinking of that one, oleonard; there's also apparently a little museum about the building of Clinton Lake, right out here by us, that we'll probably try to hit. 13:28 * oleonard isn't sure they have any gems 13:28 * jcamins wonders if oleonard intended that as a pun. 13:27 oleonard It sounds corny, but I love the university's natural history museum. Of course it's something out of my childhood too, but I think it's a real gem. 13:25 druthb hey, oleonard...if there was one must-see thing in Lawrence --other than wizzy and trea--what would it be? 13:24 trea o/ 13:22 druthb o/ 13:21 magnuse o/ 13:19 druthb The weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week. 13:19 * oleonard wants to visit Lawrence now 13:15 druthb I got here Saturday, and wizzyrea and trea and little Spud came out for a bit, then again on Sunday for dinner over the fire with us. Clinton Lake has a nice Corps of Engineers campground. 13:15 druthb I did not know that, Owen. :) 13:14 oleonard Oh, you're still there? Cool. That's where I grew up y'know. The Lawrence Public Library was my childhood library. 13:13 druthb Yep. I'll be here for a couple of weeks. Gonna go visit the NEKLS office today. 13:13 oleonard So you got to visit exotic metropolitan Lawrence KS? 13:12 druthb hi, oleonard! :D 13:12 oleonard Hi druthb 12:41 oleonard Also: Hi #koha. 12:41 oleonard lastnode: Are you concerned about this issue because you're doing original cataloging? 12:39 oleonard lastnode: The numbers after the decimal are simply added specificity 12:25 magnuse the numbers after the decimal are not local - think of it as one long number - the decimal is just there to make it easier to read 12:24 magnuse lastnode: i'm afraid "a sensible explanation of ddc" is an oxymoron ;-) 12:17 paul_p rangi (if you're not sleeping) : yes, I looked at France-Japan. Unbelievable how frenchies played wrongly during 20mn (half of the 2nd half) ! I never was afraid of loosing the match, I was sure japanese ppl will go down, but during 20mn, they were really walking on water & we were looking at them !!! 12:12 lastnode will keep looking! 12:12 lastnode i guess im just a little thick :) 12:12 lastnode im going through both sites, and have been for days 12:04 jcamins lastnode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification and http://www.oclc.org/dewey/ 11:55 lastnode google has not helped a lot, im afraid. im just trying to understand the number that comes after thedecimal. is that standard or does it vary from library to library? 11:55 lastnode *decimal 11:54 lastnode can someone dierct me to a sensible explanation of the dewey decimenl system? 11:54 lastnode hi all 11:29 nengard yup 11:29 jcamins Yay! 11:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 11:29 jcamins @later tell eythian Can I use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf to get a MySQL user on servers that use a remote MySQL DB? 11:29 nengard i have one more PT appt here in the hospital and then they plan to send me home 11:28 nengard so making progress 11:28 nengard no pain if i stay still :) 11:27 jcamins How are you feeling today? 11:27 jcamins_away Good morning! 11:26 nengard morning #koha 11:09 * magnuse wanders off too, in search of lunch 11:06 * rangi wanders off 11:06 rangi before i add more things to my todo list :) 11:05 rangi ok, sleep time 11:04 * magnuse sends rangi a triple flat white with extra caffeine 11:02 magnuse cool 11:02 rangi yeah, quick read, that doesnt look too bad to port 11:00 magnuse tsk 11:00 rangi :) 11:00 rangi ruby people, sheesh 10:59 magnuse i'll shoot bensinober an email 10:59 rangi neither of those repos have them 10:59 magnuse yeah, that sux 10:59 rangi you know what i hate, when i cant find a license statement 10:57 kf never heard of that 10:57 kf ah 10:57 magnuse s/dais/said/ 10:57 magnuse what he dais 10:57 rangi http://www.foaf-project.org/ 10:56 magnuse friend of a friend 10:56 kf ? 10:56 kf foafß 10:55 magnuse ah yes 10:55 rangi authors 10:55 magnuse for records? patrons? 10:55 rangi is to do foaf 10:55 rangi one thing i think would be easy 10:54 kf rangi++ magnuse++ 10:54 magnuse it's less than half baked yet, but i will keep adding to it 10:54 magnuse yay! 10:54 magnuse i've been mulling over an idea of how to use rdf to enhance e.g. koha: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Enhancing_the_ILS_with_semantic_data 10:54 rangi bit late at night for me to start now, maybe tomorrow night :) 10:53 magnuse it sure is, and would be very cool! 10:53 rangi yup, but an export as rdf is a first step 10:53 magnuse adding identifiers, realtionships etc 10:53 magnuse turning marc into rdf gets interesting when yu use rdf to make up for the shortcomings of marc... 10:52 rangi well rsinger does some lcsh stuff too 10:52 magnuse but sadly, straight mappings from marc 2 rdf aren't all that interesting, i think 10:52 kf ! 10:52 magnuse yes please! 10:51 rangi and then, we can make a save as rdf option 10:51 magnuse https://github.com/rsinger/marc2rdf-modeler - A set of Ruby scripts for taking MARC21 records and remodeling them in RDF 10:51 rangi if you can do it in ruby, then it should be easy peasy to do it in perl, using the same yaml config 10:51 magnuse hehe 10:51 rangi yeah its the config i dont want to write :) 10:50 magnuse that script is based on a marc21 one though, let me see if i can find it 10:50 kf magnuse++ 10:49 rangi ahh 10:49 magnuse rangi: did you see https://github.com/bensinober/normarc2rdf ? mappings are configurable so it shouldn't really be normarc specific 10:46 rangi magnuse: do you know of a marc212rdf script? 10:44 rangi paul_p: did you watch the france vs japan game? 10:15 kf hi magnus :) 10:13 magnuse guten tag kf 10:09 kf hi rangi :) 10:09 rangi hi kf 10:07 kf hi #koha 10:04 reiveune bye 09:52 paul_p rangi, I hadn't seen the message, thx 09:49 hdl rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday 09:47 magnuse hooray for nicole! 09:46 magnuse rangi: i'm fine either way 09:46 rangi hdl/paul_p: did you see this http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4847 ? 09:45 rangi magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 do you think we should shift this content to a real page, and out of the category? 09:33 paul_p i'm back (it was just to sign some papers) 09:32 rangi fredericd: gonna put a photo on your user page? :-) 09:16 magnuse yay! 09:16 rangi magnuse: jo posted the swedish job to the nz-libs mailing list, maybe some nzers will apply :) 08:44 * magnuse wishes paul_p the best of luck ;-) 08:43 * paul_p head to see his banker... 08:39 magnuse if he has his way they sure will! ;-) 08:39 rangi ahhh 08:39 magnuse he almost got koha onboard the book boat, but someone got there just ahead of him with a proprietary ils... 08:38 rangi maybe by the end of the year they will be on koha :) 08:38 rangi ahhhh 08:38 magnuse he's on a one year leave to work at a public library, including their book boat! 08:36 rangi has he changed jobs? 08:36 rangi heh 08:36 magnuse just gotta translate this tweet from @Miromurr for y'all: "trying [proprietary norwegian ils] after 2 years of koha. as much fun as banging your head into a brick wall - repeatedly" ;-) 08:33 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/ now with more table comments 08:27 rangi then i can push them too 08:27 rangi there are still some waiting signoff 08:24 paul_p for the great work on html inside tags break translation fixes ! 08:24 paul_p frere-sebastien-marie++ 08:24 paul_p rangi++ 08:24 paul_p kf++ 08:24 paul_p of course you agree, as you suggested this scenario ;-) ;-) (good evening) 08:23 rangi paul_p: i agree with you, i think scenario 3 is the best, the history is far to useful to lose 08:18 * rangi is just regenerating the schema with more table comments now 08:18 rangi hi hdl 08:12 hdl hi rangi 08:02 magnuse morning rangi 08:02 rangi evening 07:02 reiveune hello 07:02 hdl hi frr 06:58 magnuse bonjour! 06:55 francharb hello #koha 06:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] koha-* scripts have no manual pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877> 06:22 alex_a hello #koha ! 06:13 magnuse kia ora #koha 05:27 eythian and so now it's time to hope it stays that way. 05:27 eythian yeah, blue out this way too 05:25 rangi blue sky tho 05:25 rangi still cold but 05:08 * cait would prefer cycling in a hailstorm to figuring out things like translating addresses for paging early in the morning 05:07 eythian On the other hand, it seems to be a bit sunny out there right now 05:06 eythian I'm OK with that. 05:05 Judit1 chicken! 05:05 eythian not really, no. 05:05 cait not something you want to witness on a bike 05:05 cait oh! 05:05 eythian earlier today. 05:05 eythian cait: no, although it looked like it. It was a massive, although brief, hailstorm. 05:04 Judit1 so then what?:) 05:04 cait snow again? 05:04 eythian well, I'm afraid of getting caught out in a hailstorm 05:03 Judit1 :) 05:03 Judit1 do! 05:02 eythian Hmm, I have half an hour to decide if I should bike across town or not. 05:02 rangi right, hometime 05:00 rangi the docs mailing list yes 05:00 Judit1 and send it to the mailian glist 04:58 rangi make a patch 04:58 rangi or better yet 04:58 Judit1 okay i send it to the mailing list 04:58 Judit1 brooke asked me to state it here 04:57 rangi send a patch 04:57 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual 04:56 Judit1 but still in the manual for Koha 3.4 04:56 Judit1 are no longer in Koha- 3.4 04:56 Judit1 1.1.5.1.6. ceilingDueDate 04:55 Judit1 and 1.1.5.1.8 globalDueDate 04:55 Judit1 1.1.5.1.6 04:55 * Brooke heads for bid before Cait nags her... 04:55 Judit1 http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs 04:55 Judit1 so 04:55 Brooke guten morgen 04:55 rangi hi cait 04:54 cait morning #koha 04:53 Judit1 and manuals 04:53 Judit1 that is why i like them 04:52 Judit1 Broke i know they are flawless and never, ever wrong :) 04:51 * Brooke snorts. 04:51 rangi id accuse nengard of lots of things, being macho would never be one 04:51 Brooke Judit, what section and subsection and stuff? 04:51 Brooke rangi: I know, but you might be worried that she's being macho :P 04:50 rangi Brooke: she's been on irc already, and gchat :) 04:50 Brooke People that write documentation are flawless goddesses that are never, ever wrong. 04:49 Judit1 thank you! 04:49 Judit1 themanual is wrong this time, not me 04:49 Judit1 in circ rules there is a Hard Due date 04:49 Brooke but nengard is relatively fine. 04:49 Brooke I realise it's nearly beer o'clock 04:49 Judit1 i see 04:49 Judit1 okay 04:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule 04:47 rangi bug 5548 04:46 eythian no problem 04:45 mtj eythian: thanx for looking at my patch today 04:45 Judit1 hm 04:45 Judit1 but still in the manual 04:45 rangi you define them in the circ rules 04:45 Judit1 removed from 3.4? 04:45 eythian although no one removed the code that references them 04:45 rangi git show e57dadf762101cfb7371c3d2c93e8163a2ace69f 04:45 eythian they've been removed 04:45 rangi yep 04:45 eythian installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl: $dbh->do("DELETE FROM `systempreferences` WHERE variable = 'globalDueDate' OR variable = 'ceilingDueDate'"); 04:44 Judit1 not there 04:44 eythian not there either 04:43 rangi look in localuse 04:43 eythian C4/Circulation.pm: $datedue = C4::Dates->new( C4::Context->preference('globalDueDate') ); 04:43 eythian there's reference to them in the code 04:43 rangi they were moved in master 04:42 eythian and I'm looking on master 04:42 eythian but I can't find mention of them in the preferences file anyway 04:42 Judit1 i receive only SpecifyDueDate 04:42 Judit1 if i search for DueDate 04:40 eythian you're spelling them wrong 04:40 Judit1 shame on me 04:40 Judit1 yes, i am on 3.4 04:39 Judit1 http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs 04:38 eythian are they supposed to exist? 04:38 Judit1 why is that 04:38 Judit1 you broke it! 04:37 eythian They don't exist in mine either. 04:37 eythian It seems quite possible. 04:35 Judit might be a stupid question but is it possible that i dont have ceilingdudate and globalduedate in my syspref 04:29 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6360] all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360> 04:18 eythian So you say. 04:14 Judit hello 03:26 wizzyrea tee hee 03:26 rangi https://yfrog.com/ny84714183j 03:26 rangi heh 03:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation 03:21 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6716 couple of little typos 03:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #410: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/410/ 03:12 wizzyrea i saw that... laughed and laughed 03:12 eythian http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/30/cleverbot-vs-cleverbot-fight/ <-- I am not a robot. I am a unicorn. 03:11 wizzyrea bot vs human, fight! 03:11 wizzyrea lol 03:10 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 03:10 eythian huginn: it's OK 03:10 eythian tricky, no 03:10 huginn eythian: I suck 03:10 eythian @eythian 03:05 wizzyrea i always feel super nerdy when I say handle. 03:04 wizzyrea what's your handle? 03:04 wizzyrea hehe 03:04 eythian Not that I use it terribly often. I'm a terrible blogger, micro or otherwise. 03:04 eythian wizzyrea: yeah, on identi.ca 03:03 wizzyrea eythian are you on the twitterz or identica? 03:01 wizzyrea so many people looking for exactly this data 03:01 wizzyrea *nod* supergood 03:01 rangi it will get better and better 03:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation 03:01 rangi so as new comments are added on bug 6716 03:01 rangi i have a job to keep it up to date 03:01 wizzyrea is super 03:00 wizzyrea but even so 03:00 rangi yep items not done yet 03:00 wizzyrea aw yea 03:00 eythian http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html <-- even handier, when done :) 02:59 rangi heh 02:59 eythian oh, that will be handy alright 02:59 wizzyrea omg hot. 02:59 wizzyrea hawt hawt hawt 02:59 wizzyrea hawt 02:59 rangi handy 02:58 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/biblio.html 02:58 wizzyrea eythian++ nengard++ 02:58 wizzyrea eff yea it does 02:58 rangi yeah 02:58 eythian that looks pretty good with those comments. 02:58 rangi i just have to get the table level comments showing and all good 02:58 wizzyrea word 02:58 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html 02:58 rangi thanks to eythian for rediscovering schemaspy and nicole for putting comments on things 02:58 wizzyrea oh that is top notch 02:57 rangi if you toggle the comments on, you can see the comments that nicole has been putting in 02:57 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/borrowers.html 02:37 jenkins_koha Starting build 410 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago) 02:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af9ac2fb57d07cef95fc97e3269e844ce7431ed1> / Bug 6716 couple of little typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f630631218c5b36f5b4333012e40e059850c0ee4> 02:07 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5616116/Heavy-hail-pounds-Wellington <-- good to see the news is on top of it 02:00 eythian yeah. we just missed it. 01:39 mtj yow, crazy hail in wgtn 00:58 kulps Thanks for entertaining them none the less! 00:57 kulps just ideas. 00:57 kulps hmmm 00:57 kulps maybe I should bite the bullet and look for a personal asset manager... 00:57 kulps I really want to use Koha to manage my books, because it sure beats typing it out by hand 00:56 eythian If you're willing to accept that sometimes you may be pushing a bit against the grain of how it expects to work. 00:55 eythian It's a little screwy, but you could make it work to some degree I expect. 00:55 kulps it's a bit screwy, I admit, but I like the idea of keeping it all in a database 00:54 kulps so if I had an item type for "asset" and used author as manfactureur, title as model, isbn as serial number 00:54 kulps I was hoping to use Koha as a bit of an asset tracker 00:54 kulps the records I would make would be invalid anyway 00:54 kulps yeah, I dont plan to make my own records, only pull from the canadian library 00:49 eythian <eythian> oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too 00:49 eythian <rangi> what he said 00:49 eythian <rangi> you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future 00:49 eythian <eythian> I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really. 00:49 eythian <eythian> There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there? 00:49 eythian kulps: 00:45 kulps hmm, my javachat seems to have cycled since I was afk, not sure if anybody answered if it was a bad idea to clear the flags. 00:35 eythian oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too 00:35 rangi what he said 00:35 rangi you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future 00:35 eythian I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really. 00:34 eythian There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there? 00:32 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473> 00:28 kulps let the rest just come in as it does? 00:28 kulps keep maybe the author, title, isbn and item type as required 00:27 kulps Since my library is currently just for me, I don't know I need all the "required" information 00:27 kulps would it be a bad idea to remove the "mandatory" flag from most of the marc framework fields?