Time  Nick            Message
23:35 rangi           that should give you enough to go on
23:35 rangi           return ($amount, $data->{chargename}, $days_minus_grace);
23:35 rangi           i suspect $days_minus_grace is becoming 0
23:34 rangi           my $days_minus_grace = $chargeable_units - $data->{firstremind}; if ($data->{'chargeperiod'}  && $days_minus_grace  ) {
23:23 rangi           try  git show 5c7c3377 when you get back
23:22 rangi           yes the entire CalcFine sub has changed
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / branches
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / clone-rules
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / patron-attr-types
23:21 jenkins_koha    * katrin.fischer: Fix for Bug 6458 Follow-up for memberentrygen.tt
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/412/
23:19 rangi           cya later
23:18 libsysguy       ok
23:18 rangi           thats change
23:18 libsysguy       gotta run...sorry rangi...gf is complaining about being hungry :'(
23:18 rangi           i think its CalcFine itself
23:18 rangi           but i dont think thats the problem
23:18 libsysguy       hmm...ok ill focus on that when i get back
23:18 rangi           ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; # or it's not overdue, right?
23:18 rangi           in master its
23:18 rangi           yeah thats diff
23:17 libsysguy       oops...should have used pastebin...my bad
23:17 libsysguy       $branchcode, $datedue, $today );
23:17 libsysguy       CalcFine( $overdue, $borrower->{categorycode},
23:17 libsysguy       my ( $amount, $type, $daycounttotal ) =
23:17 libsysguy       ++$counted;
23:17 libsysguy       }
23:17 libsysguy       next;    # not overdue
23:17 libsysguy       if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) {
23:17 libsysguy       my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} );
23:17 libsysguy       i have this
23:17 libsysguy       oh oh
23:17 rangi           yep ill be here
23:17 rangi           ill investigate what changed for 5549
23:17 rangi           that sets the amount, and how overdue
23:16 rangi           CalcFine($data->[$i]
23:16 rangi           my ($amount,$type,$daycounttotal,$daycount)=
23:16 rangi           $overdueItemsCounted++;
23:16 rangi           CalcFine
23:16 libsysguy       ok...in the mean time I have dinner planned with my Swede...ill be back on later if you're still around?
23:15 rangi           its getting past that, so thats good
23:15 rangi           ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next;
23:15 rangi           lemme check it out
23:14 rangi           that is the problem
23:14 rangi           so i suspect the code that is calculating how overdue something is
23:14 rangi           yeah
23:14 rangi           (3505 lines for this mornings run)
23:14 libsysguy       that it saw it as overdue but didn't put a number in for it
23:14 libsysguy       I found that odd as well
23:13 rangi           interesting i see nothin that have 0 for days overdue
23:13 libsysguy       yes it is
23:12 rangi           and thats the file for the 13th eh?
23:12 libsysguy       I can try merging...but not till this weekend
23:12 libsysguy       but...maybe
23:12 libsysguy       well there are only about 3 lines in the fines script that changed for hourly
23:12 rangi           yeah see in normal koha, there is no time, just date
23:12 libsysguy       this is what I have  712830  0000002027266   2011-09-12 23:59:00             0       0
23:12 rangi           or the changes to do with hourly
23:11 libsysguy       hmm
23:11 rangi           my guess its it somethign to do with circ rules
23:10 rangi           so its picking it as 1 day overdue
23:10 rangi           Library Assistant               10398   141155  2011-09-13              1
23:10 rangi           and i see things like
23:10 rangi           its the 14th here today
23:09 libsysguy       same as the db
23:09 libsysguy       the 12th
23:09 libsysguy       and it was working (or so I thought
23:09 rangi           what does it say for date_due
23:09 libsysguy       I tested fines for hourly
23:09 rangi           but if its saying 0 days overdue, then yeah its not gonna charge anything
23:09 libsysguy       I believe so
23:08 rangi           other fines are going on eh?
23:08 libsysguy       what is sysprefs?
23:08 rangi           right, that would be why it didnt do it then
23:07 libsysguy       but the days overdue also says 0
23:07 rangi           in sysprefs
23:07 rangi           one thing to check
23:07 rangi           right
23:07 libsysguy       but no fine at the end...it just says 0
23:07 rangi           anything in the fines column?
23:07 rangi           you can open it libreoffice or gnumeric it makes its easier to read
23:07 libsysguy       yeah i see the patron
23:07 rangi           its a tab sep file
23:06 rangi           yeah
23:06 libsysguy       just the patron
23:06 libsysguy       oh man...so should I look for anything in particular
23:06 rangi           yeah
23:05 libsysguy       look at the ones for the 13th?
23:05 libsysguy       heh
23:05 rangi           probably running it every 30 mins makes them less useful tho
23:05 rangi           there should be some .log files
23:04 libsysguy       that is what I would have expected as well
23:04 rangi           look in /tmp
23:04 rangi           given the appropriate circ rules being set
23:04 rangi           id have expected, that one would go on at 00:30 on the 13th then
23:04 libsysguy       is what I have in my crontab
23:03 libsysguy       30  * * * *  $KOHA_CRON_PATH/fines.pl
23:03 rangi           round 6am
23:03 rangi           (on normal koha we just run it once a day)
23:03 rangi           you are sure the fines cron job runs every 30 mins?
23:03 libsysguy       so based on normal koha would you say fine or no fine
23:02 libsysguy       ok so the due date was 2011-09-12 23:59:00 and the return date was 2011-09-13 13:38:58
22:56 eythian         jcamins: you can, yep
22:56 libsysguy       oh trust me I know
22:55 eythian         often the way ;)
22:54 libsysguy       ok I'll investigate further...it may be that the librarian is crazy ;)
22:54 libsysguy       gotcha
22:54 rangi           that has a nice datetime stamp on it, so will tell you exactly when it was returned
22:53 rangi           select * from statistics where itemnumber= whatever and type='return';
22:53 rangi           and/or statistics
22:52 rangi           that has all the returned itesm
22:52 rangi           old_issues
22:52 libsysguy       what table?
22:52 libsysguy       btw i understand your frustration with SVN...Coral uses it still :'(
22:52 rangi           well you can check it in the db, it will log the returndate
22:52 libsysguy       odd...
22:51 libsysguy       but (going by what my circulation librarian told me) the patron turned the item in the day after it was due with no charge
22:51 rangi           then yes after 1 day overdue, it should apply a fine
22:51 libsysguy       0
22:51 rangi           whats the grace period set to
22:51 libsysguy       so yes I would assume it would
22:51 libsysguy       well the interval is set to one
22:50 libsysguy       I;m thinking time shouldn't come into play here since its still running at night
22:50 rangi           depends what your circ rules say
22:50 libsysguy       so the day after it was due there should be a fine...right
22:50 rangi           only the day
22:50 rangi           times dont matter
22:50 rangi           right so for normal koha, it only gets a fine if its returned on a day other than the day it was due
22:49 rangi           so if someone has returned it before the cron job runs, then it wont get a fine
22:49 libsysguy       right so the cron run every 30 minutes
22:49 rangi           and it only works it out, when the cron job runs
22:48 rangi           for fines, because thats the minimum period you can define for the fine to be applied
22:48 libsysguy       but didn't assess a fine
22:48 rangi           day
22:48 libsysguy       Koha said the item was overdue
22:48 rangi           for normal koha, the minimum period for a book to be overdue is 1
22:48 libsysguy       basically we had a prof turn in a book the day after it was due
22:48 libsysguy       but normal koha for the example im trying to fix
22:47 libsysguy       well they both run on the same code in this case
22:47 rangi           are you talking hourly loans, or normal koha
22:47 libsysguy       because it does end_date-start_date
22:47 rangi           ?
22:47 libsysguy       then the chargeable_units would still be 0 right?
22:46 rangi           yup
22:46 libsysguy       well if a person is lets say 45 minutes late turning in a book
22:46 rangi           they calculate acording to your circ rules
22:46 rangi           ?
22:45 libsysguy       so it looks like fines calculate a day late?
22:45 rangi           yup
22:45 libsysguy       I have a question about fines
22:45 libsysguy       hey guys
22:37 jenkins_koha    Starting build 412 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
22:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68de42d59d7070bc58f25cb13ad159d8c70aafc6> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=362b82c51d1ff4fe6506f7724e8dac7d0a24ebd0> / Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
21:59 rangi           get these tests not failing
21:59 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
21:59 rangi           im gonna try to push some more bug 6458
21:58 rangi           right
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
21:53 jenkins_koha    oleonard: Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files
21:53 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #411: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/411/
21:48 sekjal          night, all!
21:20 maximep         mine doesn't
21:20 maximep         probably not normal that your jenkins outputs :  Devel::Cover: Can't find file "cmp_ok
21:07 jenkins_koha    Starting build 411 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
20:58 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5234' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8bd9b146076c9620d34a45fed41e4c069e96c32> / Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d976f3dd5e9b36784562a02da25ae04122d86>
20:43 wizzyrea        or you can cat /etc/lsb-release
20:42 wizzyrea        oh and andersonbd1, on ubuntu you can get the nice name by executing lsb_release -irc
20:35 rhcl            andersonbd1: drop off the final "35" from the link above and you should see the blank form. Just this:  http://paste.koha-community.org
20:33 maximep         sure works for me
20:27 rangi           pastebin.com would work too
20:25 rangi           can others see it?
20:25 rangi           weird you should get a form
20:24 andersonbd1     in a browser?  I don't see anything when I go there.
20:20 pastebot        "rangi" at pasted "like this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35
20:20 rangi           and hit paste it
20:20 wahanui         rangi: that doesn't look right
20:20 rangi           change the channel to #koha
20:20 rangi           paste into that big box
20:20 rangi           http://paste.koha-community.org/ you go here
20:20 andersonbd1     thanks much rangi.  will do that and report back.  not sure how to use that past.koha-community.org link - am I missing something obvious?
20:19 rangi           but you will need them all
20:19 rangi           that is the one missing that is causing your immediate error
20:19 rangi           CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml
20:18 rangi           yep, that would be my firsl step
20:18 rangi           if you want to paste something ;)
20:18 rangi           paste.koha-community.org
20:18 andersonbd1     aha - I need to install all of those don't I?
20:18 andersonbd1     MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCor                  0 *
20:18 andersonbd1     Locale::PO                                  0 *                                   0.17                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     Locale::Currency::Format                    0 *                                   1.28                     Yes
20:18 wizzyrea        afk
20:18 rangi           oh btw, in future, you can use
20:18 andersonbd1     Lingua::Stem::Snowball                      0 *                                   0.952                    Yes
20:18 rangi           looks like lots missing ;)
20:18 andersonbd1     HTTP::OAI                                   0 *                                   3.2                      Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     HTML::Template::Pro                         0 *                                   0.69                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     Graphics::Magick                            0 *                                   1.3.05                   No
20:18 andersonbd1     Email::Date                                 0 *                                   1.103                    Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     DateTime                                    0 *                                   0.51                     Yes
20:17 wizzyrea        so, some stuff.
20:17 andersonbd1     Date::ICal                                  0 *                                   1.72                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     Data::ICal                                  0 *                                   0.13                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     DBD::SQLite2                                0 *                                   0.33                     No
20:17 andersonbd1     CGI::Session::Serialize::y                  0 *                                   4.2                      Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     CGI::Session::Driver::memc                  0 *                                   0.04                     No
20:17 andersonbd1     Biblio::EndnoteStyle                        0 *                                   0.05                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     Authen::CAS::Client                         0 *                                   0.05                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:17 andersonbd1     Module Name                                 Current Version                       Required Version         Module Required
20:17 andersonbd1     andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:17 wizzyrea        oo, I smell a faq there.
20:16 rangi           ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:16 rangi           run
20:16 rangi           in your unpacked tarball
20:15 rangi           andersonbd1: can you try this
20:14 rangi           yeah apt-get is definitely the best way to do it
20:14 andersonbd1     I have CGI::Session (disclaimer: I am a perl/CPAN novice)... I've been using apt-get to install these modules (eg: sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-perl)
20:12 andersonbd1     Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:12 andersonbd1     andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ uname -a
20:11 * wizzyrea      idly wonders if you are missing CGI::Session
20:11 wizzyrea        what version of ubuntu?
20:09 andersonbd1     make test passed
20:08 wizzyrea        well make test will usually give you a hint
20:08 rangi           my stop bbiab
20:08 andersonbd1     not sure about that - how do I know if modules are missing?
20:08 * rangi         hasn't bumped into this one before
20:08 rangi           hmm and you have no missing modules?
20:08 wizzyrea        :) what he said
20:07 andersonbd1     http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
20:07 rangi           cool
20:07 andersonbd1     koha-3.04.04
20:07 wizzyrea        where did you download it from?
20:07 wizzyrea        maybe a better question
20:06 wahanui         3.4.4 is the current stable release
20:06 rangi           3.4.4 ?
20:05 rangi           what version are u installing?
20:05 andersonbd1     For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@ubuntu), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
20:05 andersonbd1     Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 291.
20:05 andersonbd1     Software error:
20:05 andersonbd1     and I got this error:
20:04 andersonbd1     I went through all the install steps and got to the point where I go to the browser (http://ubuntu:8080) - which is the name of my machine
20:04 * druthb        doesn't resist.
20:04 rangi           maybe canada
20:04 huginn          druthb: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
20:04 druthb          @quote get 145
20:04 rangi           hmm I know Georgia is, can't member the others, namibia too I think
20:04 * wizzyrea      resists the urge to quote get 145 :)
20:03 oleonard        Go for it andersonbd1
20:03 andersonbd1     total newbie looking for help :-)
20:03 wizzyrea        who's playing?
20:03 rangi           3 games today
20:00 cait            :)
19:58 wizzyrea        :D
19:57 rangi           yeah pretty neat, the best salespeople are always happy users :)
19:56 wizzyrea        lol!
19:56 rangi           session sold out
19:56 wizzyrea        Nice!
19:55 rangi           to the special library association
19:55 rangi           the nz treasury dept is presenting on koha tomorrow
19:55 rangi           oh heres some cool news
19:54 cait            hehe
19:53 jcamins         Right.
19:53 jcamins         Ah.
19:53 huginn          jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:53 jcamins         @quote get 123
19:52 rangi           heh
19:52 * wizzyrea      loves how everyone now calls it a "quote 123 problem"
19:52 wizzyrea        ah that's a number I should remember
19:51 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
19:51 wizzyrea        @quote random
19:51 huginn          rangi: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
19:51 rangi           @quote random
19:51 wizzyrea        ok that made me spit water out of my nose.
19:50 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #153 added.
19:50 gmcharlt        @quote add <rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:49 maximep         so true
19:47 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:47 rangi           @later tell libsysguy merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:45 wizzyrea        ooooo
19:45 rangi           most importantly recabling too
19:45 wizzyrea        stinky
19:45 rangi           redoing all the aircon, and carpets and stuff in the building
19:44 wizzyrea        yes it is
19:44 wizzyrea        yes
19:44 wizzyrea        ew
19:44 rangi           new carpet is stinky
19:44 wizzyrea        what'd I do?
19:44 rangi           I hope the solvent smell is gone
19:44 druthb          wizzyrea++
19:40 rangi           gonna be a nice day, crisp morning and now blue sky
19:39 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on September 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
19:39 rangi           @wunder wellington nz
19:37 oleonard        Hi rangi
19:36 rangi           Morning
18:28 jcamins         gmcharlt: ah. Thanks. Suddenly people have been e-mailing it to all my mailing lists, and I can't quite figure out why.
18:26 wizzyrea        ty
18:26 wizzyrea        lol
18:25 jcamins         Third row from the bottom, second from the left.
18:25 jcamins         wizzyrea: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.128861503649.106942.94990393649
18:21 wizzyrea        I (shamefully) admit I haven't seen it
18:21 wizzyrea        jcamins do you have the link to that PSA?
18:20 gmcharlt        jcamins: it's been out there for a while -- and pretty important, at least to the extent that it makes libraries think twice before automatically assigning their bibliographic data to an entity that would try to make it proprietary
18:09 Brooke          so I cancelled out
18:09 Brooke          it's taking me to edit the template for rfcs
18:09 Brooke          if I go to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notifications_RFC
18:07 Brooke          it's doin' it again!
18:07 Brooke          kia ora
18:04 jcamins         By the way, was anyone able to figure out what the point of the Open Bibliography Principles is?
17:52 cait            ok, now it worked - green tea someone?
17:40 cait            hehe true
17:40 jcamins         It's not quite as bad as when you forget to heat the water, though.
17:40 jcamins         I hate it when I do that.
17:39 cait            long day
17:38 * cait          tried to make tea a minute ago, but forgot to put the tea leaves into the tea pot before adding water
17:38 cait            mm :)
17:37 * sekjal        pours cait a cup, as well
17:37 cait            can I have some too?
17:37 cait            oh
17:37 * sekjal        pours libsysguy some tea
17:29 jcamins         wizzyrea: well, I guess you probably don't talk to them much, but if you do, great PSA. :)
17:27 * chris_n       crawls out of the woodwork upon hearing his name
17:26 sekjal          libsysguy:  huzzah!
17:26 libsysguy       does that make me done for the day?
17:26 * libsysguy     successfully merged master and hourly
17:25 wizzyrea        jcamins: LPL is *in* NEKLS, but isn't part of NExpress (yet, if ever)
17:25 libsysguy       i would indeed love a cup
17:24 sekjal          libsysguy:  I'm going to make some green tea; would you care for an e-cup?
17:22 libsysguy       I'd be angry all the time dealing with code conflicts lol
17:22 libsysguy       poor rangi...I'm surprised he is always in such a good mood
17:21 sekjal          chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch
17:21 sekjal          libsysguy:  yes, rangi is RM for 3.6, and does all the committing to the Koha master branch
17:21 libsysguy       is that rangi?
17:21 libsysguy       haha ohh I thought you were the merge master :p
17:20 sekjal          okay, sometimes there is rebasing
17:20 sekjal          I just write and test code
17:20 * sekjal        doesn't
17:20 libsysguy       this is a mess...how does sekjal do this for the whole community
17:18 jcamins         Could be.
17:18 libsysguy       jcamins hmm looks like you have to commit then do a pull
17:14 jcamins         Are you sure you don't have to correct the conflict, add the file, then run something like git merge --continue?
17:14 libsysguy       me either :'(
17:14 jcamins         I have no idea. I've never used merge.
17:13 libsysguy       is it just git commit -m "merged branch"
17:13 libsysguy       lol
17:13 libsysguy       lots of changes need to be committed
17:12 jcamins         Run git status and see what it says.
17:12 libsysguy       after a merge do I have to commit or can i just consider it done?
17:11 libsysguy       there is no face to represent eternal sadness
17:11 libsysguy       omg...all the comments in kohastructure :'(
17:09 jcamins         Yeah, that's pretty much a given.
17:08 libsysguy       always a conflict with updatedatabase *smh*
17:06 jcamins         And rerun the merge command.
17:06 jcamins         Just run git fetch origin
17:06 jcamins         libsysguy: but if you already resolved some of the conflicts, it won't be so painful when you merge in the rest.
17:05 libsysguy       crap...
17:05 sekjal          ^^
17:05 jcamins         libsysguy: only if you did git fetch origin first.
17:00 libsysguy       that should pull the most recent right?
17:00 libsysguy       I checked out hourly on my dev box then merged it with origin/master
16:59 libsysguy       god I hope I remembered to do that
16:59 sekjal          this was fixed last week or so (very recent)
16:59 sekjal          libsysguy:  did you pull the most recent master code before?
16:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: If they are, tell them their "A book commits suicide every time you watch Jersey Shore" PSA is awesome.
16:58 libsysguy       :'(
16:58 libsysguy       b-b-but i just rebased on that
16:58 sekjal          some of the CAS improvements damaged LDAP connections
16:58 sekjal          libsysguy:  I think that was fixed in current HEAD
16:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: Lawrence Public Library is part of NEKLS, right?
16:57 libsysguy       I only ask because I'm using LDAP and I was getting an error but when i tell auth to use auth_with_ldap it starts working again
16:56 libsysguy       in Auth.pm I see a line that says "use vars qw($some_vars);"  where do those vars get set?
16:48 jcamins         s/already/all ready/
16:48 jcamins         Hi, bengard. Tell Nicole that Myshkin was already to visit and offer post-operation comfort: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/302971_734013189769_24800824_37561354_2000990890_n.jpg
16:47 * libsysguy     is finally done rebasing
16:47 oleonard        Give her our best
16:46 nengard         it's Brian; I'm just transferring files.  Nicole's doing fine, but can't really use her computer right now.
16:45 oleonard        Hi nengard!
16:39 jcamins         (at least, the files from this particular source)
16:39 jcamins         To avoid this being an issue in the future, have them select the encoding MARC-8 when staging records from a file.
16:39 * libsysguy     is frustrated
16:39 * libsysguy     is trying to merge hourly with master
16:39 oleonard        Sure thing lastnode
16:38 jcamins         Unfortunately for you, the fix I came up with is not usable in your context.
16:38 lastnode        thanks again, mate
16:38 chris_n         stupid firefox
16:38 lastnode        oleonard++
16:38 lastnode        so im off
16:37 libsysguy       haha that is how I generally feel when working with sekjal
16:37 jcamins         libsysguy: sekjal is so awesome, he deserves credit for everything. :D
16:37 jcamins         sekjal: I was the one who fixed it.
16:37 jcamins         sekjal: never mind.
16:36 jcamins         sekjal: way back at the very beginning.
16:32 sekjal          but that was to fix indexing
16:32 sekjal          jcamins:  I don't recall such a fix; I do remember using TouchBiblios.pl to update the Normalization
16:31 libsysguy       ohh...ok...I told margo to verify that the records with diacritics from one of our librarians were correct...the other librarian uses connexion (sp) so that may be causing the issue
16:30 jcamins         It was encoded as MARC-8, but treated as UTF-8.
16:30 jcamins         sekjal: this is what the ANS ran into, that you wrote the script to fix.
16:30 sekjal          libsysguy:  MARC-21 is the Marc flavour; MARC-8 would be the character encoding
16:28 oleonard        lastnode: Good.
16:28 libsysguy       sekjal I think they are importing in Marc-21
16:27 lastnode        oleonard: yes
16:26 oleonard        lastnode: Are you using z39.50 to search for existing records?
16:26 oleonard        lastnode: There's no reason for you not to follow the suggestion of the LOC CIP data, but for original cataloging you might skip the decimals
16:26 sekjal          looks like the data in the MARC is just plain wrong.  not sure if re-encoding from MARC-8 to UTF-8 would help...
16:26 libsysguy       hmm
16:25 lastnode        thank you very much for your help
16:25 lastnode        right, oleonard. i guess i could start with just doing primary dewey classification (no decimals) and then seeing if i can get my school to pay for OCLC access later
16:25 sekjal          libsysguy:  doesn't look like a normalization problem, which is what I've figured out a scripted fix for
16:23 jcamins         Heh.
16:22 oleonard        The marc editor is pretty hardcore if advancedMarceditor and hide_marc are both set to "don't display" http://screencast.com/t/SSA0kqEzV7C
16:21 jcamins         Regardless, you have to pay for it.
16:21 jcamins         Or the online version.
16:21 oleonard        lastnode: Or you can pay for online access I think
16:21 jcamins         lastnode: the official DDC books.
16:21 oleonard        The Dewey Decimal Classification system is property of OCLC
16:20 lastnode        oleonard: so there is no public list of post-decimal classifications?
16:16 kf              ok, time to go :) bye all!
16:14 jcamins         sekjal: didn't you write a script that fixes encoding issues like this?
16:13 * jcamins       shamlessly passes the buck.
16:13 libsysguy       ohh so i have to do it with a script
16:13 libsysguy       how do I do that
16:13 jcamins         libsysguy: sekjal has a script that does it, I think.
16:13 libsysguy       jcamins prepare for my newb question
16:13 * oleonard      can do so using Firebug and see the correct character
16:13 jcamins         libsysguy: looks like you need to re-encode your catalog.
16:12 kf              I would try copy and paste from there and check if it still looks weird )
16:12 kf              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number
16:12 oleonard        I've seen something similar, and it wasn't a font problem.
16:11 kf              libsysguy: hm, perhaps the font does not provide this character? or wrong normalization form? looks almost like a ö umlaut to me - but the '' look a bit weird on the cover
16:09 libsysguy       sekjal, jcamins and example of our encoding problem http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=421669
16:09 oleonard        Does that make sense lastnode?
16:09 oleonard        .083 7 means 1970-1979, .083 8 means 1980-1989, etc.
16:08 oleonard        And then it says .083 6 means "1958-1969"
16:08 oleonard        So for instance, our DDC reference says the .083 means "Period of the Fifth Republic, 1958-"
16:08 kf              oh wow
16:08 oleonard        ...because OCLC isn't looking out for you, it just wants your money.
16:07 oleonard        lastnode: The only way to find out exactly what the .083 /means/ is to find a DDC reference, which you'll have to pay for
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present
16:04 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse
16:04 jenkins_koha    * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up
16:04 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages
16:04 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.4.x build #43: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/43/
15:57 wahanui         git bisect is our friend here
15:57 jcamins         git bisect.
15:57 oleonard        Isn't there a git command where you can step through commits to see where a bug arose?
15:52 kf              oleonard: I will ask for more details and perhaps they have a suggeston what would work better
15:52 kf              oleonard: thank you
15:51 jcamins         /6 is giving you an option for going into more detail.
15:51 jcamins         .083 is part of the classification.
15:51 wahanui         hdl was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 1 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday [Tue Sep 13 09:48:41 2011]
15:51 libsysguy       seen hdl?
15:49 libsysguy       hmm so maybe the record import is not importing correctly?
15:49 lastnode        (944) now i want to know what .083 means. andthen /6
15:48 lastnode        that is History & geography>>History of Europe>>France & Monaco
15:48 lastnode        944.083/6 - Charles de Gaulle - Lacouture, Jean.
15:47 libsysguy       the charset is utf8
15:47 lastnode        sure
15:47 oleonard        lastnode: Do you have an example?
15:47 lastnode        (I am not a Librarian)
15:47 lastnode        the dewey numbers i grab from LOC - ive been trying to interpret them too. sometimes they dotn amke sense :(
15:47 jcamins         I think that will tell you what the encoding is set to.
15:46 lastnode        which is why i asked.
15:46 lastnode        oleonard: yes im using the LOC call numbers, though some books i am entering dont hvae LOC entries.
15:46 jcamins         SHOW CREATE TABLE biblioitem;
15:46 jcamins         libsysguy: probaby not MySQL encoding, but it's worth checking.
15:46 libsysguy       or is there a mysql command that i can run
15:46 libsysguy       is it in my.cnf?
15:46 libsysguy       can you refresh me on how to check that
15:45 sekjal          libsysguy:  it's possible.  what are your MySQL encodings for your Koha database?
15:44 kf              oleonard: hm
15:44 libsysguy       is that a mysql issue
15:44 libsysguy       some of ours are messed up
15:43 libsysguy       I have a question about diacritics
15:43 oleonard        One of the problems is that the all-capital-letters text is, for some fields, a link which controls the collapse behavior
15:42 kf              I wonder what would be better, treat them like headings?
15:42 kf              seems right?
15:42 kf              looks right to me
15:41 oleonard        The text in all capital letters is not a label. The text below it is.
15:41 kf              if it's a problem for all fields or only some of them
15:41 oleonard        http://screencast.com/t/hjRzhtuMAjBc
15:41 kf              I will try to check wtih the library
15:40 oleonard        Tag has no subfields, the description isn't a label
15:40 kf              hmm
15:40 oleonard        In the Koha editor some fields have their own label, but not all. If the field has subfields, then the subfields each have a label
15:39 oleonard        kf: I think what they mean is that the screen reader is looking for a <label> <input> pair.
15:33 kf              oleonard: I think so
15:33 * oleonard      wonders why addbiblio looks so different today
15:32 * chris_n       wonders if oleonard has on rose-colored glasses today ;)
15:30 oleonard        field description as in "CONTROL NUMBER," etc?
15:28 kf              thank you :)
15:28 * oleonard      is looking
15:27 kf              and I thought you might have an idea about it
15:27 kf              and they complain that field descrption and field in cataloging can not be associated with each other
15:26 kf              I have a library with a blind staff member testing koha
15:26 kf              ;)
15:26 oleonard        kf: Sure
15:26 oleonard        ;)
15:26 kf              the color is a bit extreme
15:26 kf              oleonard: have a minuet?
15:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
15:25 oleonard        I'm working on Bug 6865. What do y'all think? http://screencast.com/t/tHHspuRZBhv
15:22 jenkins_koha    Starting build 43 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:11 libsysguy       thanks sekjal
15:10 trea            kf++
15:09 kf              trea: man_inv or somethingl like that
15:09 kf              trea: authorized values
15:08 sekjal          libsysguy:  6430 and 6431 are constituent parts of 5549, so yes, they'll interact very smoothly
15:04 trea            can someone refresh my memory as to where in the manual accounttypes are defined?
15:01 libsysguy       gotcha...6431 and 6430 looked new
15:00 sekjal          will have to check
15:00 sekjal          libsysguy_class:  hmmm, not sure
15:00 libsysguy_class sekjal...are bugs 6431, 6430, and 5549 going to play nice with each other?
14:59 oleonard        (with hidelostitems turned on of course)
14:58 oleonard        I know the answer, but it does point out some inconsistency.
14:58 oleonard        I just had a librarian ask me why titles are showing up in search results even though all their items are lost.
14:51 kf              jcamins: great - thx
14:50 jcamins         When it's not turned on, the tab doesn't show up.
14:50 jcamins         kf: yes.
14:50 kf              libsysguy_class: heh - good plan!
14:49 kf              jcamins: as in hiding the new function?
14:49 oleonard        lastnode: Are you using the call numbers assigned to the books by the LOC?
14:49 kf              jcamins: is it possible to deactivate it?
14:48 libsysguy_class cool I was just putting in a reminder to send out a reminder :p
14:48 sekjal          libsysguy_class:  yes, that's the plan
14:48 lastnode        oleonard: sorry for the late reply. yes, im doing original cataologing for somebooks.
14:48 libsysguy_class sekjal we are meeting on thursday right?
14:42 jcamins         Thanks.
14:42 sekjal          going to take a look soon, and hopefully pass it through QA
14:42 sekjal          jcamins:  yes, I did see
14:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
14:42 jcamins         sekjal: did you see my message about bug 5528? I tested it, and couldn't find any regressions, but I couldn't figure out how to sign off on it.
14:39 oleonard        Ah, of course. So this is not a symptom of the crazy.
14:37 sekjal          oleonard: they were recreated when in the switch to T:T
14:34 kf              check your git log for the commit id?
14:34 oleonard        Are those files gone for everyone else?
14:34 kf              out of ideas
14:34 oleonard        en
14:34 kf              or at another language folder?
14:33 kf              oleonard: are you looking at en?
14:33 kf              http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=8464104fb299d1b1d707c0a083a04dce7c108953
14:33 * kf            was about to suggest checking your branch
14:31 wizzyrea        hum
14:31 oleonard        And I am looking at master
14:30 wizzyrea        hehe
14:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
14:30 oleonard        Can someone help me understand what's going on with Bug 5234? chris says it has been pushed, but I still see those files
14:25 trea            and sometimes very extremely not good.
14:24 wahanui         rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
14:24 wizzyrea        interesting
14:23 kf              quite unlikely
14:23 jcamins         Did you know that Iran has an island which doesn't require a visa (or didn't used to require a visa) to visit?
14:23 * oleonard      checks his globe
14:22 rhcl            just don't walk over the border into Iran
14:22 wizzyrea        ooooo
14:21 kf              so you get 2 countries at the price of one ;)
14:21 kf              wizzyrea: and bonus: if you visit me you can _walk_ over the border to switzerland :)
14:20 wizzyrea        t
14:20 wizzyrea        oleonard: I don't know about you but I've been missing gmcharl
14:20 * oleonard      startles as gmcharlt appears out of nowhere
14:20 huginn          wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #152 added.
14:20 wizzyrea        @quote add gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 wizzyrea        hehe
14:20 gmcharlt        Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 wizzyrea        gmcharlt: hi!
14:19 gmcharlt        wizzyrea: trea: sounds like you're set to be world travelers :)
14:19 wizzyrea        and your delicious cookies
14:19 wizzyrea        for beer and sausages alone :P
14:19 trea            ^^
14:18 wizzyrea        I would LOVE that
14:18 trea            :D
14:18 * kf            thinks wizzyrea should visit germany next :)
14:18 jcamins         Oh, yeah, good morning.
14:17 wizzyrea        oh and good morning
14:16 wizzyrea        lulz
14:16 * oleonard      was afraid for a moment wizzyrea was going to bust out singing "Over the rainbow"
14:16 wizzyrea        i've been in probably 46 or 47 of the US states though.
14:15 wizzyrea        indeed not
14:15 jcamins         Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand are not parts of Kansas. :P
14:15 wizzyrea        :)
14:15 * jcamins       knows, he was just contextualizing.
14:14 * wizzyrea      reminds jcamins that she's been to Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand
14:14 wizzyrea        shh
14:14 jcamins         wizzyrea: well, if you go far enough in any direction, you'll reach the edge of the continent, and find an ocean. On the other side of the ocean, there's more land. :P
14:13 wizzyrea        that is, it's the only place I've *lived*
14:13 * wizzyrea      is from NW MO, originally, but Kansas is all I know
13:33 * druthb        got to see more of SW Iowa and NW Missouri on the way here than she had planned on...70-some miles of I 29 were closed, and the detour was *way* out in the cornfields.
13:32 rhcl_away       u2 funny
13:30 jcamins         Kansas isn't generally the state that comes to mind when I think "corn," but it does contribute 4% of the United States' corn production.
13:30 oleonard        Oh, I think you're thinking of Iowa :P
13:29 jcamins         oleonard: I was referring to "corny." ;)
13:28 druthb          I was thinking of that one, oleonard;  there's also apparently a little museum about the building of Clinton Lake, right out here by us, that we'll probably try to hit.
13:28 * oleonard      isn't sure they have any gems
13:28 * jcamins       wonders if oleonard intended that as a pun.
13:27 oleonard        It sounds corny, but I love the university's natural history museum. Of course it's something out of my childhood too, but I think it's a real gem.
13:25 druthb          hey, oleonard...if there was one must-see thing in Lawrence --other than wizzy and trea--what would it be?
13:24 trea            o/
13:22 druthb          o/
13:21 magnuse         o/
13:19 druthb          The weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s.  Rain possible later in the week.
13:19 * oleonard      wants to visit Lawrence now
13:15 druthb          I got here Saturday, and wizzyrea and trea and little Spud came out for a bit, then again on Sunday for dinner over the fire with us.  Clinton Lake has a nice Corps of Engineers campground.
13:15 druthb          I did not know that, Owen.  :)
13:14 oleonard        Oh, you're still there? Cool. That's where I grew up y'know. The Lawrence Public Library was my childhood library.
13:13 druthb          Yep.  I'll be here for a couple of weeks.  Gonna go visit the NEKLS office today.
13:13 oleonard        So you got to visit exotic metropolitan Lawrence KS?
13:12 druthb          hi, oleonard! :D
13:12 oleonard        Hi druthb
12:41 oleonard        Also: Hi #koha.
12:41 oleonard        lastnode: Are you concerned about this issue because you're doing original cataloging?
12:39 oleonard        lastnode: The numbers after the decimal are simply added specificity
12:25 magnuse         the numbers after the decimal are not local - think of it as one long number - the decimal is just there to make it easier to read
12:24 magnuse         lastnode: i'm afraid "a sensible explanation of ddc" is an oxymoron ;-)
12:17 paul_p          rangi (if you're not sleeping) : yes, I looked at France-Japan. Unbelievable how frenchies played wrongly during 20mn (half of the 2nd half) ! I never was afraid of loosing the match, I was sure japanese ppl will go down, but during 20mn, they were really walking on water & we were looking at them !!!
12:12 lastnode        will keep looking!
12:12 lastnode        i guess im just a little thick :)
12:12 lastnode        im going through both sites, and have been for days
12:04 jcamins         lastnode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification and http://www.oclc.org/dewey/
11:55 lastnode        google has not helped a lot, im afraid. im just trying to understand the number that comes after thedecimal. is that standard or does it vary from library to library?
11:55 lastnode        *decimal
11:54 lastnode        can someone dierct me to a sensible explanation of the dewey decimenl system?
11:54 lastnode        hi all
11:29 nengard         yup
11:29 jcamins         Yay!
11:29 huginn          jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:29 jcamins         @later tell eythian Can I use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf to get a MySQL user on servers that use a remote MySQL DB?
11:29 nengard         i have one more PT appt here in the hospital and then they plan to send me home
11:28 nengard         so making progress
11:28 nengard         no pain if i stay still :)
11:27 jcamins         How are you feeling today?
11:27 jcamins_away    Good morning!
11:26 nengard         morning #koha
11:09 * magnuse       wanders off too, in search of lunch
11:06 * rangi         wanders off
11:06 rangi           before i add more things to my todo list :)
11:05 rangi           ok, sleep time
11:04 * magnuse       sends rangi a triple flat white with extra caffeine
11:02 magnuse         cool
11:02 rangi           yeah, quick read, that doesnt look too bad to port
11:00 magnuse         tsk
11:00 rangi           :)
11:00 rangi           ruby people, sheesh
10:59 magnuse         i'll shoot bensinober an email
10:59 rangi           neither of those repos have them
10:59 magnuse         yeah, that sux
10:59 rangi           you know what i hate, when i cant find a license statement
10:57 kf              never heard of that
10:57 kf              ah
10:57 magnuse         s/dais/said/
10:57 magnuse         what he dais
10:57 rangi           http://www.foaf-project.org/
10:56 magnuse         friend of a friend
10:56 kf              ?
10:56 kf              foafß
10:55 magnuse         ah yes
10:55 rangi           authors
10:55 magnuse         for records? patrons?
10:55 rangi           is to do foaf
10:55 rangi           one thing i think would be easy
10:54 kf              rangi++ magnuse++
10:54 magnuse         it's less than half baked yet, but i will keep adding to it
10:54 magnuse         yay!
10:54 magnuse         i've been mulling over an idea of how to use rdf to enhance e.g. koha: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Enhancing_the_ILS_with_semantic_data
10:54 rangi           bit late at night for me to start now, maybe tomorrow night :)
10:53 magnuse         it sure is, and would be very cool!
10:53 rangi           yup, but an export as rdf is a first step
10:53 magnuse         adding identifiers, realtionships etc
10:53 magnuse         turning marc into rdf gets interesting when yu use rdf to make up for the shortcomings of marc...
10:52 rangi           well rsinger does some lcsh stuff too
10:52 magnuse         but sadly, straight mappings from marc 2 rdf aren't all that interesting, i think
10:52 kf              !
10:52 magnuse         yes please!
10:51 rangi           and then, we can make a save as rdf option
10:51 magnuse         https://github.com/rsinger/marc2rdf-modeler - A set of Ruby scripts for taking MARC21 records and remodeling them in RDF
10:51 rangi           if you can do it in ruby, then it should be easy peasy to do it in perl, using the same yaml config
10:51 magnuse         hehe
10:51 rangi           yeah its the config i dont want to write :)
10:50 magnuse         that script is based on a marc21 one though, let me see if i can find it
10:50 kf              magnuse++
10:49 rangi           ahh
10:49 magnuse         rangi: did you see https://github.com/bensinober/normarc2rdf ? mappings are configurable so it shouldn't really be normarc specific
10:46 rangi           magnuse: do you know of a marc212rdf script?
10:44 rangi           paul_p: did you watch the france vs japan game?
10:15 kf              hi magnus :)
10:13 magnuse         guten tag kf
10:09 kf              hi rangi :)
10:09 rangi           hi kf
10:07 kf              hi #koha
10:04 reiveune        bye
09:52 paul_p          rangi, I hadn't seen the message, thx
09:49 hdl             rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday
09:47 magnuse         hooray for nicole!
09:46 magnuse         rangi: i'm fine either way
09:46 rangi           hdl/paul_p: did you see this http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4847  ?
09:45 rangi           magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12  do you think we should shift this content to a real page, and out of the category?
09:33 paul_p          i'm back (it was just to sign some papers)
09:32 rangi           fredericd: gonna put a photo on your user page? :-)
09:16 magnuse         yay!
09:16 rangi           magnuse: jo posted the swedish job to the nz-libs mailing list, maybe some nzers will apply :)
08:44 * magnuse       wishes paul_p the best of luck ;-)
08:43 * paul_p        head to see his banker...
08:39 magnuse         if he has his way they sure will! ;-)
08:39 rangi           ahhh
08:39 magnuse         he almost got koha onboard the book boat, but someone got there just ahead of him with a proprietary ils...
08:38 rangi           maybe by the end of the year they will be on koha :)
08:38 rangi           ahhhh
08:38 magnuse         he's on a one year leave to work at a public library, including their book boat!
08:36 rangi           has he changed jobs?
08:36 rangi           heh
08:36 magnuse         just gotta translate this tweet from @Miromurr for y'all: "trying [proprietary norwegian ils] after 2 years of koha. as much fun as banging your head into a brick wall - repeatedly" ;-)
08:33 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/ now with more table comments
08:27 rangi           then i can push them too
08:27 rangi           there are still some waiting signoff
08:24 paul_p          for the great work on html inside tags break translation fixes !
08:24 paul_p          frere-sebastien-marie++
08:24 paul_p          rangi++
08:24 paul_p          kf++
08:24 paul_p          of course you agree, as you suggested this scenario ;-) ;-) (good evening)
08:23 rangi           paul_p: i agree with you, i think scenario 3 is the best, the history is far to useful to lose
08:18 * rangi         is just regenerating the schema with more table comments now
08:18 rangi           hi hdl
08:12 hdl             hi rangi
08:02 magnuse         morning rangi
08:02 rangi           evening
07:02 reiveune        hello
07:02 hdl             hi frr
06:58 magnuse         bonjour!
06:55 francharb       hello #koha
06:45 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] koha-* scripts have no manual pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877>
06:22 alex_a          hello #koha !
06:13 magnuse         kia ora #koha
05:27 eythian         and so now it's time to hope it stays that way.
05:27 eythian         yeah, blue out this way too
05:25 rangi           blue sky tho
05:25 rangi           still cold but
05:08 * cait          would prefer cycling in a hailstorm to figuring out things like translating addresses for paging early in the morning
05:07 eythian         On the other hand, it seems to be a bit sunny out there right now
05:06 eythian         I'm OK with that.
05:05 Judit1          chicken!
05:05 eythian         not really, no.
05:05 cait            not something you want to witness on a bike
05:05 cait            oh!
05:05 eythian         earlier today.
05:05 eythian         cait: no, although it looked like it. It was a massive, although brief, hailstorm.
05:04 Judit1          so then what?:)
05:04 cait            snow again?
05:04 eythian         well, I'm afraid of getting caught out in a hailstorm
05:03 Judit1          :)
05:03 Judit1          do!
05:02 eythian         Hmm, I have half an hour to decide if I should bike across town or not.
05:02 rangi           right, hometime
05:00 rangi           the docs mailing list yes
05:00 Judit1          and send it to the mailian glist
04:58 rangi           make a patch
04:58 rangi           or better yet
04:58 Judit1          okay i send it to the mailing list
04:58 Judit1          brooke asked me to state it here
04:57 rangi           send a patch
04:57 rangi           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
04:56 Judit1          but still in the manual for Koha 3.4
04:56 Judit1          are no longer in Koha- 3.4
04:56 Judit1 ceilingDueDate
04:55 Judit1          and globalDueDate
04:55 Judit1
04:55 * Brooke        heads for bid before Cait nags her...
04:55 Judit1          http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:55 Judit1          so
04:55 Brooke          guten morgen
04:55 rangi           hi cait
04:54 cait            morning #koha
04:53 Judit1          and manuals
04:53 Judit1          that is why i like them
04:52 Judit1          Broke i know they are flawless and never, ever wrong :)
04:51 * Brooke        snorts.
04:51 rangi           id accuse nengard of lots of things, being macho would never be one
04:51 Brooke          Judit, what section and subsection and stuff?
04:51 Brooke          rangi: I know, but you might be worried that she's being macho :P
04:50 rangi           Brooke: she's been on irc already, and gchat :)
04:50 Brooke          People that write documentation are flawless goddesses that are never, ever wrong.
04:49 Judit1          thank you!
04:49 Judit1          themanual is wrong this time, not me
04:49 Judit1          in circ rules there is a Hard Due date
04:49 Brooke          but nengard is relatively fine.
04:49 Brooke          I realise it's nearly beer o'clock
04:49 Judit1          i see
04:49 Judit1          okay
04:47 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
04:47 rangi           bug 5548
04:46 eythian         no problem
04:45 mtj             eythian: thanx for looking at my patch today
04:45 Judit1          hm
04:45 Judit1          but still in the manual
04:45 rangi           you define them in the circ rules
04:45 Judit1          removed from 3.4?
04:45 eythian         although no one removed the code that references them
04:45 rangi           git show e57dadf762101cfb7371c3d2c93e8163a2ace69f
04:45 eythian         they've been removed
04:45 rangi           yep
04:45 eythian         installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl:    $dbh->do("DELETE FROM `systempreferences` WHERE variable = 'globalDueDate' OR variable = 'ceilingDueDate'");
04:44 Judit1          not there
04:44 eythian         not there either
04:43 rangi           look in localuse
04:43 eythian         C4/Circulation.pm:            $datedue = C4::Dates->new( C4::Context->preference('globalDueDate') );
04:43 eythian         there's reference to them in the code
04:43 rangi           they were moved in master
04:42 eythian         and I'm looking on master
04:42 eythian         but I can't find mention of them in the preferences file anyway
04:42 Judit1          i receive only SpecifyDueDate
04:42 Judit1          if i search for DueDate
04:40 eythian         you're spelling them wrong
04:40 Judit1          shame on me
04:40 Judit1          yes, i am on 3.4
04:39 Judit1          http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:38 eythian         are they supposed to exist?
04:38 Judit1          why is that
04:38 Judit1          you broke it!
04:37 eythian         They don't exist in mine either.
04:37 eythian         It seems quite possible.
04:35 Judit           might be a stupid question but is it possible that i dont have ceilingdudate and globalduedate in my syspref
04:29 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6360] all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360>
04:18 eythian         So you say.
04:14 Judit           hello
03:26 wizzyrea        tee hee
03:26 rangi           https://yfrog.com/ny84714183j
03:26 rangi           heh
03:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:21 jenkins_koha    Chris Cormack: Bug 6716 couple of little typos
03:21 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #410: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/410/
03:12 wizzyrea        i saw that... laughed and laughed
03:12 eythian         http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/30/cleverbot-vs-cleverbot-fight/ <-- I am not a robot. I am a unicorn.
03:11 wizzyrea        bot vs human, fight!
03:11 wizzyrea        lol
03:10 huginn          eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:10 eythian         huginn: it's OK
03:10 eythian         tricky, no
03:10 huginn          eythian: I suck
03:10 eythian         @eythian
03:05 wizzyrea        i always feel super nerdy when I say handle.
03:04 wizzyrea        what's your handle?
03:04 wizzyrea        hehe
03:04 eythian         Not that I use it terribly often. I'm a terrible blogger, micro or otherwise.
03:04 eythian         wizzyrea: yeah, on identi.ca
03:03 wizzyrea        eythian are you on the twitterz or identica?
03:01 wizzyrea        so many people looking for exactly this data
03:01 wizzyrea        *nod* supergood
03:01 rangi           it will get better and better
03:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:01 rangi           so as new comments are added on bug 6716
03:01 rangi           i have a job to keep it up to date
03:01 wizzyrea        is super
03:00 wizzyrea        but even so
03:00 rangi           yep items not done yet
03:00 wizzyrea        aw yea
03:00 eythian         http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html <-- even handier, when done :)
02:59 rangi           heh
02:59 eythian         oh, that will be handy alright
02:59 wizzyrea        omg hot.
02:59 wizzyrea        hawt hawt hawt
02:59 wizzyrea        hawt
02:59 rangi           handy
02:58 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/biblio.html
02:58 wizzyrea        eythian++ nengard++
02:58 wizzyrea        eff yea it does
02:58 rangi           yeah
02:58 eythian         that looks pretty good with those comments.
02:58 rangi           i just have to get the table level comments showing and all good
02:58 wizzyrea        word
02:58 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html
02:58 rangi           thanks to eythian for rediscovering schemaspy and nicole for putting comments on things
02:58 wizzyrea        oh that is top notch
02:57 rangi           if you toggle the comments on, you can see the comments that nicole has been putting in
02:57 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/borrowers.html
02:37 jenkins_koha    Starting build 410 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago)
02:35 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af9ac2fb57d07cef95fc97e3269e844ce7431ed1> / Bug 6716 couple of little typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f630631218c5b36f5b4333012e40e059850c0ee4>
02:07 eythian         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5616116/Heavy-hail-pounds-Wellington <-- good to see the news is on top of it
02:00 eythian         yeah. we just missed it.
01:39 mtj             yow, crazy hail in wgtn
00:58 kulps           Thanks for entertaining them none the less!
00:57 kulps           just ideas.
00:57 kulps           hmmm
00:57 kulps           maybe I should bite the bullet and look for a personal asset manager...
00:57 kulps           I really want to use Koha to manage my books, because it sure beats typing it out by hand
00:56 eythian         If you're willing to accept that sometimes you may be pushing a bit against the grain of how it expects to work.
00:55 eythian         It's a little screwy, but you could make it work to some degree I expect.
00:55 kulps           it's a bit screwy, I admit, but I like the idea of keeping it all in a database
00:54 kulps           so if I had an item type for "asset" and used author as manfactureur, title as model, isbn as serial number
00:54 kulps           I was hoping to use Koha as a bit of an asset tracker
00:54 kulps           the records I would make would be invalid anyway
00:54 kulps           yeah, I dont plan to make my own records, only pull from the canadian library
00:49 eythian         <eythian> oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:49 eythian         <rangi> what he said
00:49 eythian         <rangi> you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:49 eythian         <eythian> I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:49 eythian         <eythian> There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:49 eythian         kulps:
00:45 kulps           hmm, my javachat seems to have cycled since I was afk, not sure if anybody answered if it was a bad idea to clear the flags.
00:35 eythian         oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:35 rangi           what he said
00:35 rangi           you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:35 eythian         I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:34 eythian         There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:32 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473>
00:28 kulps           let the rest just come in as it does?
00:28 kulps           keep maybe the author, title, isbn and item type as required
00:27 kulps           Since my library is currently just for me, I don't know I need all the "required" information
00:27 kulps           would it be a bad idea to remove the "mandatory" flag from most of the marc framework fields?