Time Nick Message
00:27 kulps would it be a bad idea to remove the "mandatory" flag from most of the marc framework fields?
00:27 kulps Since my library is currently just for me, I don't know I need all the "required" information
00:28 kulps keep maybe the author, title, isbn and item type as required
00:28 kulps let the rest just come in as it does?
00:32 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473>
00:34 eythian There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:35 eythian I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:35 rangi you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:35 rangi what he said
00:35 eythian oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:45 kulps hmm, my javachat seems to have cycled since I was afk, not sure if anybody answered if it was a bad idea to clear the flags.
00:49 eythian kulps:
00:49 eythian <eythian> There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:49 eythian <eythian> I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:49 eythian <rangi> you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:49 eythian <rangi> what he said
00:49 eythian <eythian> oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:54 kulps yeah, I dont plan to make my own records, only pull from the canadian library
00:54 kulps the records I would make would be invalid anyway
00:54 kulps I was hoping to use Koha as a bit of an asset tracker
00:54 kulps so if I had an item type for "asset" and used author as manfactureur, title as model, isbn as serial number
00:55 kulps it's a bit screwy, I admit, but I like the idea of keeping it all in a database
00:55 eythian It's a little screwy, but you could make it work to some degree I expect.
00:56 eythian If you're willing to accept that sometimes you may be pushing a bit against the grain of how it expects to work.
00:57 kulps I really want to use Koha to manage my books, because it sure beats typing it out by hand
00:57 kulps maybe I should bite the bullet and look for a personal asset manager...
00:57 kulps hmmm
00:57 kulps just ideas.
00:58 kulps Thanks for entertaining them none the less!
01:39 mtj yow, crazy hail in wgtn
02:00 eythian yeah. we just missed it.
02:07 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5616116/Heavy-hail-pounds-Wellington <-- good to see the news is on top of it
02:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af9ac2fb57d07cef95fc97e3269e844ce7431ed1> / Bug 6716 couple of little typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f630631218c5b36f5b4333012e40e059850c0ee4>
02:37 jenkins_koha Starting build 410 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago)
02:57 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/borrowers.html
02:57 rangi if you toggle the comments on, you can see the comments that nicole has been putting in
02:58 wizzyrea oh that is top notch
02:58 rangi thanks to eythian for rediscovering schemaspy and nicole for putting comments on things
02:58 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html
02:58 wizzyrea word
02:58 rangi i just have to get the table level comments showing and all good
02:58 eythian that looks pretty good with those comments.
02:58 rangi yeah
02:58 wizzyrea eff yea it does
02:58 wizzyrea eythian++ nengard++
02:58 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/biblio.html
02:59 rangi handy
02:59 wizzyrea hawt
02:59 wizzyrea hawt hawt hawt
02:59 wizzyrea omg hot.
02:59 eythian oh, that will be handy alright
02:59 rangi heh
03:00 eythian http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html <-- even handier, when done :)
03:00 wizzyrea aw yea
03:00 rangi yep items not done yet
03:00 wizzyrea but even so
03:01 wizzyrea is super
03:01 rangi i have a job to keep it up to date
03:01 rangi so as new comments are added on bug 6716
03:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:01 rangi it will get better and better
03:01 wizzyrea *nod* supergood
03:01 wizzyrea so many people looking for exactly this data
03:03 wizzyrea eythian are you on the twitterz or identica?
03:04 eythian wizzyrea: yeah, on identi.ca
03:04 eythian Not that I use it terribly often. I'm a terrible blogger, micro or otherwise.
03:04 wizzyrea hehe
03:04 wizzyrea what's your handle?
03:05 wizzyrea i always feel super nerdy when I say handle.
03:10 eythian @eythian
03:10 huginn eythian: I suck
03:10 eythian tricky, no
03:10 eythian huginn: it's OK
03:10 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:11 wizzyrea lol
03:11 wizzyrea bot vs human, fight!
03:12 eythian http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/30/cleverbot-vs-cleverbot-fight/ <-- I am not a robot. I am a unicorn.
03:12 wizzyrea i saw that... laughed and laughed
03:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #410: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/410/
03:21 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6716 couple of little typos
03:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:26 rangi heh
03:26 rangi https://yfrog.com/ny84714183j
03:26 wizzyrea tee hee
04:14 Judit hello
04:18 eythian So you say.
04:29 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6360] all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360>
04:35 Judit might be a stupid question but is it possible that i dont have ceilingdudate and globalduedate in my syspref
04:37 eythian It seems quite possible.
04:37 eythian They don't exist in mine either.
04:38 Judit1 you broke it!
04:38 Judit1 why is that
04:38 eythian are they supposed to exist?
04:39 Judit1 http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:40 Judit1 yes, i am on 3.4
04:40 Judit1 shame on me
04:40 eythian you're spelling them wrong
04:42 Judit1 if i search for DueDate
04:42 Judit1 i receive only SpecifyDueDate
04:42 eythian but I can't find mention of them in the preferences file anyway
04:42 eythian and I'm looking on master
04:43 rangi they were moved in master
04:43 eythian there's reference to them in the code
04:43 eythian C4/Circulation.pm: $datedue = C4::Dates->new( C4::Context->preference('globalDueDate') );
04:43 rangi look in localuse
04:44 eythian not there either
04:44 Judit1 not there
04:45 eythian installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl: $dbh->do("DELETE FROM `systempreferences` WHERE variable = 'globalDueDate' OR variable = 'ceilingDueDate'");
04:45 rangi yep
04:45 eythian they've been removed
04:45 rangi git show e57dadf762101cfb7371c3d2c93e8163a2ace69f
04:45 eythian although no one removed the code that references them
04:45 Judit1 removed from 3.4?
04:45 rangi you define them in the circ rules
04:45 Judit1 but still in the manual
04:45 Judit1 hm
04:45 mtj eythian: thanx f or looking at my patch today
04:46 eythian no problem
04:47 rangi bug 5548
04:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
04:49 Judit1 okay
04:49 Judit1 i see
04:49 Brooke I realise it's nearly beer o'clock
04:49 Brooke but nengard is relatively fine.
04:49 Judit1 in circ rules there is a Hard Due date
04:49 Judit1 themanual is wrong this time, not me
04:49 Judit1 thank you!
04:50 Brooke People that write documentation are flawless goddesses that are never, ever wrong.
04:50 rangi Brooke: she's been on irc already, and gchat :)
04:51 Brooke rangi: I know, but you might be worried that she's being macho :P
04:51 Brooke Judit, what section and subsection and stuff?
04:51 rangi id accuse nengard of lots of things, being macho would never be one
04:51 * Brooke snorts.
04:52 Judit1 Broke i know they are flawless and never, ever wrong :)
04:53 Judit1 that is why i like them
04:53 Judit1 and manuals
04:54 cait morning #koha
04:55 rangi hi cait
04:55 Brooke guten morgen
04:55 Judit1 so
04:55 Judit1 http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:55 * Brooke heads for bid before Cait nags her...
04:55 Judit1 1.1.5.1.6
04:55 Judit1 and 1.1.5.1.8 globalDueDate
04:56 Judit1 1.1.5.1.6. ceilingDueDate
04:56 Judit1 are no longer in Koha- 3.4
04:56 Judit1 but still in the manual for Koha 3.4
04:57 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
04:57 rangi send a patch
04:58 Judit1 brooke asked me to state it here
04:58 Judit1 okay i send it to the mailing list
04:58 rangi or better yet
04:58 rangi make a patch
05:00 Judit1 and send it to the mailian glist
05:00 rangi the docs mailing list yes
05:02 rangi right, hometime
05:02 eythian Hmm, I have half an hour to decide if I should bike across town or not.
05:03 Judit1 do!
05:03 Judit1 :)
05:04 eythian well, I'm afraid of getting caught out in a hailstorm
05:04 cait snow again?
05:04 Judit1 so then what?:)
05:05 eythian cait: no, although it looked like it. It was a massive, although brief, hailstorm.
05:05 eythian earlier today.
05:05 cait oh!
05:05 cait not something you want to witness on a bike
05:05 eythian not really, no.
05:05 Judit1 chicken!
05:06 eythian I'm OK with that.
05:07 eythian On the other hand, it seems to be a bit sunny out there right now
05:08 * cait would prefer cycling in a hailstorm to figuring out things like translating addresses for paging early in the morning
05:25 rangi still cold but
05:25 rangi blue sky tho
05:27 eythian yeah, blue out this way too
05:27 eythian and so now it's time to hope it stays that way.
06:13 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:22 alex_a hello #koha !
06:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] koha-* scripts have no manual pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877>
06:55 francharb hello #koha
06:58 magnuse bonjour!
07:02 hdl hi frr
07:02 reiveune hello
08:02 rangi evening
08:02 magnuse morning rangi
08:12 hdl hi rangi
08:18 rangi hi hdl
08:18 * rangi is just regenerating the schema with more table comments now
08:23 rangi paul_p: i agree with you, i think scenario 3 is the best, the history is far to useful to lose
08:24 paul_p of course you agree, as you suggested this scenario ;-) ;-) (good evening)
08:24 paul_p kf++
08:24 paul_p rangi++
08:24 paul_p frere-sebastien-marie++
08:24 paul_p for the great work on html inside tags break translation fixes !
08:27 rangi there are still some waiting signoff
08:27 rangi then i can push them too
08:33 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/ now with more table comments
08:36 magnuse just gotta translate this tweet from @Miromurr for y'all: "trying [proprietary norwegian ils] after 2 years of koha. as much fun as banging your head into a brick wall - repeatedly" ;-)
08:36 rangi heh
08:36 rangi has he changed jobs?
08:38 magnuse he's on a one year leave to work at a public library, including their book boat!
08:38 rangi ahhhh
08:38 rangi maybe by the end of the year they will be on koha :)
08:39 magnuse he almost got koha onboard the book boat, but someone got there just ahead of him with a proprietary ils...
08:39 rangi ahhh
08:39 magnuse if he has his way they sure will! ;-)
08:43 * paul_p head to see his banker...
08:44 * magnuse wishes paul_p the best of luck ;-)
09:16 rangi magnuse: jo posted the swedish job to the nz-libs mailing list, maybe some nzers will apply :)
09:16 magnuse yay!
09:32 rangi fredericd: gonna put a photo on your user page? :-)
09:33 paul_p i'm back (it was just to sign some papers)
09:45 rangi magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 do you think we should shift this content to a real page, and out of the category?
09:46 rangi hdl/paul_p: did you see this http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4847 ?
09:46 magnuse rangi: i'm fine either way
09:47 magnuse hooray for nicole!
09:49 hdl rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday
09:52 paul_p rangi, I hadn't seen the message, thx
10:04 reiveune bye
10:07 kf hi #koha
10:09 rangi hi kf
10:09 kf hi rangi :)
10:13 magnuse guten tag kf
10:15 kf hi magnus :)
10:44 rangi paul_p: did you watch the france vs japan game?
10:46 rangi magnuse: do you know of a marc212rdf script?
10:49 magnuse rangi: did you see https://github.com/bensinober/normarc2rdf ? mappings are configurable so it shouldn't really be normarc specific
10:49 rangi ahh
10:50 kf magnuse++
10:50 magnuse that script is based on a marc21 one though, let me see if i can find it
10:51 rangi yeah its the config i dont want to write :)
10:51 magnuse hehe
10:51 rangi if you can do it in ruby, then it should be easy peasy to do it in perl, using the same yaml config
10:51 magnuse https://github.com/rsinger/marc2rdf-modeler - A set of Ruby scripts for taking MARC21 records and remodeling them in RDF
10:51 rangi and then, we can make a save as rdf option
10:52 magnuse yes please!
10:52 kf !
10:52 magnuse but sadly, straight mappings from marc 2 rdf aren't all that interesting, i think
10:52 rangi well rsinger does some lcsh stuff too
10:53 magnuse turning marc into rdf gets interesting when yu use rdf to make up for the shortcomings of marc...
10:53 magnuse adding identifiers, realtionships etc
10:53 rangi yup, but an export as rdf is a first step
10:53 magnuse it sure is, and would be very cool!
10:54 rangi bit late at night for me to start now, maybe tomorrow night :)
10:54 magnuse i've been mulling over an idea of how to use rdf to enhance e.g. koha: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Enhancing_the_ILS_with_semantic_data
10:54 magnuse yay!
10:54 magnuse it's less than half baked yet, but i will keep adding to it
10:54 kf rangi++ magnuse++
10:55 rangi one thing i think would be easy
10:55 rangi is to do foaf
10:55 magnuse for records? patrons?
10:55 rangi authors
10:55 magnuse ah yes
10:56 kf foafß
10:56 kf ?
10:56 magnuse friend of a friend
10:57 rangi http://www.foaf-project.org/
10:57 magnuse what he dais
10:57 magnuse s/dais/said/
10:57 kf ah
10:57 kf never heard of that
10:59 rangi you know what i hate, when i cant find a license statement
10:59 magnuse yeah, that sux
10:59 rangi neither of those repos have them
10:59 magnuse i'll shoot bensinober an email
11:00 rangi ruby people, sheesh
11:00 rangi :)
11:00 magnuse tsk
11:02 rangi yeah, quick read, that doesnt look too bad to port
11:02 magnuse cool
11:04 * magnuse sends rangi a triple flat white with extra caffeine
11:05 rangi ok, sleep time
11:06 rangi before i add more things to my todo list :)
11:06 * rangi wanders off
11:09 * magnuse wanders off too, in search of lunch
11:26 nengard morning #koha
11:27 jcamins_away Good morning!
11:27 jcamins How are you feeling today?
11:28 nengard no pain if i stay still :)
11:28 nengard so making progress
11:29 nengard i have one more PT appt here in the hospital and then they plan to send me home
11:29 jcamins @later tell eythian Can I use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf to get a MySQL user on servers that use a remote MySQL DB?
11:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:29 jcamins Yay!
11:29 nengard yup
11:54 lastnode hi all
11:54 lastnode can someone dierct me to a sensible explanation of the dewey decimenl system?
11:55 lastnode *decimal
11:55 lastnode google has not helped a lot, im afraid. im just trying to understand the number that comes after thedecimal. is that standard or does it vary from library to library?
12:04 jcamins lastnode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification and http://www.oclc.org/dewey/
12:12 lastnode im going through both sites, and have been for days
12:12 lastnode i guess im just a little thick :)
12:12 lastnode will keep looking!
12:17 paul_p rangi (if you're not sleeping) : yes, I looked at France-Japan. Unbelievable how frenchies played wrongly during 20mn (half of the 2nd half) ! I never was afraid of loosing the match, I was sure japanese ppl will go down, but during 20mn, they were really walking on water & we were looking at them !!!
12:24 magnuse lastnode: i'm afraid "a sensible explanation of ddc" is an oxymoron ;-)
12:25 magnuse the numbers after the decimal are not local - think of it as one long number - the decimal is just there to make it easier to read
12:39 oleonard lastnode: The numbers after the decimal are simply added specificity
12:41 oleonard lastnode: Are you concerned about this issue because you're doing original cataloging?
12:41 oleonard Also: Hi #koha.
13:12 oleonard Hi druthb
13:12 druthb hi, oleonard! :D
13:13 oleonard So you got to visit exotic metropolitan Lawrence KS?
13:13 druthb Yep. I'll be here for a couple of weeks. Gonna go visit the NEKLS office today.
13:14 oleonard Oh, you're still there? Cool. That's where I grew up y'know. The Lawrence Public Library was my childhood library.
13:15 druthb I did not know that, Owen. :)
13:15 druthb I got here Saturday, and wizzyrea and trea and little Spud came out for a bit, then again on Sunday for dinner over the fire with us. Clinton Lake has a nice Corps of Engineers campground.
13:19 * oleonard wants to visit Lawrence now
13:19 druthb The weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week.
13:21 magnuse o/
13:22 druthb o/
13:24 trea o/
13:25 druthb hey, oleonard...if there was one must-see thing in Lawrence --other than wizzy and trea--what would it be?
13:27 oleonard It sounds corny, but I love the university's natural history museum. Of course it's something out of my childhood too, but I think it's a real gem.
13:28 * jcamins wonders if oleonard intended that as a pun.
13:28 * oleonard isn't sure they have any gems
13:28 druthb I was thinking of that one, oleonard; there's also apparently a little museum about the building of Clinton Lake, right out here by us, that we'll probably try to hit.
13:29 jcamins oleonard: I was referring to "corny." ;)
13:30 oleonard Oh, I think you're thinking of Iowa :P
13:30 jcamins Kansas isn't generally the state that comes to mind when I think "corn," but it does contribute 4% of the United States' corn production.
13:32 rhcl_away u2 funny
13:33 * druthb got to see more of SW Iowa and NW Missouri on the way here than she had planned on...70-some miles of I 29 were closed, and the detour was *way* out in the cornfields.
14:13 * wizzyrea is from NW MO, originally, but Kansas is all I know
14:13 wizzyrea that is, it's the only place I've *lived*
14:14 jcamins wizzyrea: well, if you go far enough in any direction, you'll reach the edge of the continent, and find an ocean. On the other side of the ocean, there's more land. :P
14:14 wizzyrea shh
14:14 * wizzyrea reminds jcamins that she's been to Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand
14:15 * jcamins knows, he was just contextualizing.
14:15 wizzyrea :)
14:15 jcamins Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand are not parts of Kansas. :P
14:15 wizzyrea indeed not
14:16 wizzyrea i've been in probably 46 or 47 of the US states though.
14:16 * oleonard was afraid for a moment wizzyrea was going to bust out singing "Over the rainbow"
14:16 wizzyrea lulz
14:17 wizzyrea oh and good morning
14:18 jcamins Oh, yeah, good morning.
14:18 * kf thinks wizzyrea should visit germany next :)
14:18 trea :D
14:18 wizzyrea I would LOVE that
14:19 trea ^^
14:19 wizzyrea for beer and sausages alone :P
14:19 wizzyrea and your delicious cookies
14:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: trea: sounds like you're set to be world travelers :)
14:20 wizzyrea gmcharlt: hi!
14:20 gmcharlt Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 wizzyrea hehe
14:20 wizzyrea @quote add gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #152 added.
14:20 * oleonard startles as gmcharlt appears out of nowhere
14:20 wizzyrea oleonard: I don't know about you but I've been missing gmcharl
14:20 wizzyrea t
14:21 kf wizzyrea: and bonus: if you visit me you can _walk_ over the border to switzerland :)
14:21 kf so you get 2 countries at the price of one ;)
14:22 wizzyrea ooooo
14:22 rhcl just don't walk over the border into Iran
14:23 * oleonard checks his globe
14:23 jcamins Did you know that Iran has an island which doesn't require a visa (or didn't used to require a visa) to visit?
14:23 kf quite unlikely
14:24 wizzyrea interesting
14:24 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
14:25 trea and sometimes very extremely not good.
14:30 oleonard Can someone help me understand what's going on with Bug 5234? chris says it has been pushed, but I still see those files
14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
14:30 wizzyrea hehe
14:31 oleonard And I am looking at master
14:31 wizzyrea hum
14:33 * kf was about to suggest checking your branch
14:33 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=8464104fb299d1b1d707c0a083a04dce7c108953
14:33 kf oleonard: are you looking at en?
14:34 kf or at another language folder?
14:34 oleonard en
14:34 kf out of ideas
14:34 oleonard Are those files gone for everyone else?
14:34 kf check your git log for the commit id?
14:37 sekjal oleonard: they were recreated when in the switch to T:T
14:39 oleonard Ah, of course. So this is not a symptom of the crazy.
14:42 jcamins sekjal: did you see my message about bug 5528? I tested it, and couldn't find any regressions, but I couldn't figure out how to sign off on it.
14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
14:42 sekjal jcamins: yes, I did see
14:42 sekjal going to take a look soon, and hopefully pass it through QA
14:42 jcamins Thanks.
14:48 libsysguy_class sekjal we are meeting on thursday right?
14:48 lastnode oleonard: sorry for the late reply. yes, im doing original cataologing for somebooks.
14:48 sekjal libsysguy_class: yes, that's the plan
14:48 libsysguy_class cool I was just putting in a reminder to send out a reminder :p
14:49 kf jcamins: is it possible to deactivate it?
14:49 oleonard lastnode: Are you using the call numbers assigned to the books by the LOC?
14:49 kf jcamins: as in hiding the new function?
14:50 kf libsysguy_class: heh - good plan!
14:50 jcamins kf: yes.
14:50 jcamins When it's not turned on, the tab doesn't show up.
14:51 kf jcamins: great - thx
14:58 oleonard I just had a librarian ask me why titles are showing up in search results even though all their items are lost.
14:58 oleonard I know the answer, but it does point out some inconsistency.
14:59 oleonard (with hidelostitems turned on of course)
15:00 libsysguy_class sekjal...are bugs 6431, 6430, and 5549 going to play nice with each other?
15:00 sekjal libsysguy_class: hmmm, not sure
15:00 sekjal will have to check
15:01 libsysguy gotcha...6431 and 6430 looked new
15:04 trea can someone refresh my memory as to where in the manual accounttypes are defined?
15:08 sekjal libsysguy: 6430 and 6431 are constituent parts of 5549, so yes, they'll interact very smoothly
15:09 kf trea: authorized values
15:09 kf trea: man_inv or somethingl like that
15:10 trea kf++
15:11 libsysguy thanks sekjal
15:22 jenkins_koha Starting build 43 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:25 oleonard I'm working on Bug 6865. What do y'all think? http://screencast.com/t/tHHspuRZBhv
15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
15:26 kf oleonard: have a minuet?
15:26 kf the color is a bit extreme
15:26 oleonard ;)
15:26 oleonard kf: Sure
15:26 kf ;)
15:26 kf I have a library with a blind staff member testing koha
15:27 kf and they complain that field descrption and field in cataloging can not be associated with each other
15:27 kf and I thought you might have an idea about it
15:28 * oleonard is looking
15:28 kf thank you :)
15:30 oleonard field description as in "CONTROL NUMBER," etc?
15:32 * chris_n wonders if oleonard has on rose-colored glasses today ;)
15:33 * oleonard wonders why addbiblio looks so different today
15:33 kf oleonard: I think so
15:39 oleonard kf: I think what they mean is that the screen reader is looking for a <label> <input> pair.
15:40 oleonard In the Koha editor some fields have their own label, but not all. If the field has subfields, then the subfields each have a label
15:40 kf hmm
15:40 oleonard Tag has no subfields, the description isn't a label
15:41 kf I will try to check wtih the library
15:41 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/hjRzhtuMAjBc
15:41 kf if it's a problem for all fields or only some of them
15:41 oleonard The text in all capital letters is not a label. The text below it is.
15:42 kf looks right to me
15:42 kf seems right?
15:42 kf I wonder what would be better, treat them like headings?
15:43 oleonard One of the problems is that the all-capital-letters text is, for some fields, a link which controls the collapse behavior
15:43 libsysguy I have a question about diacritics
15:44 libsysguy some of ours are messed up
15:44 libsysguy is that a mysql issue
15:44 kf oleonard: hm
15:45 sekjal libsysguy: it's possible. what are your MySQL encodings for your Koha database?
15:46 libsysguy can you refresh me on how to check that
15:46 libsysguy is it in my.cnf?
15:46 libsysguy or is there a mysql command that i can run
15:46 jcamins libsysguy: probaby not MySQL encoding, but it's worth checking.
15:46 jcamins SHOW CREATE TABLE biblioitem;
15:46 lastnode oleonard: yes im using the LOC call numbers, though some books i am entering dont hvae LOC entries.
15:46 lastnode which is why i asked.
15:47 jcamins I think that will tell you what the encoding is set to.
15:47 lastnode the dewey numbers i grab from LOC - ive been trying to interpret them too. sometimes they dotn amke sense :(
15:47 lastnode (I am not a Librarian)
15:47 oleonard lastnode: Do you have an example?
15:47 lastnode sure
15:47 libsysguy the charset is utf8
15:48 lastnode 944.083/6 - Charles de Gaulle - Lacouture, Jean.
15:48 lastnode that is History & geography>>History of Europe>>France & Monaco
15:49 lastnode (944) now i want to know what .083 means. andthen /6
15:49 libsysguy hmm so maybe the record import is not importing correctly?
15:51 libsysguy seen hdl?
15:51 wahanui hdl was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 1 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday [Tue Sep 13 09:48:41 2011]
15:51 jcamins .083 is part of the classification.
15:51 jcamins /6 is giving you an option for going into more detail.
15:52 kf oleonard: thank you
15:52 kf oleonard: I will ask for more details and perhaps they have a suggeston what would work better
15:57 oleonard Isn't there a git command where you can step through commits to see where a bug arose?
15:57 jcamins git bisect.
15:57 wahanui git bisect is our friend here
16:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #43: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/43/
16:04 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages
16:04 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up
16:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse
16:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/...
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/...
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/...
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/...
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/...
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion
16:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results
16:04 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present
16:07 oleonard lastnode: The only way to find out exactly what the .083 /means/ is to find a DDC reference, which you'll have to pay for
16:08 oleonard ...because OCLC isn't looking out for you, it just wants your money.
16:08 kf oh wow
16:08 oleonard So for instance, our DDC reference says the .083 means "Period of the Fifth Republic, 1958-"
16:08 oleonard And then it says .083 6 means "1958-1969"
16:09 oleonard .083 7 means 1970-1979, .083 8 means 1980-1989, etc.
16:09 oleonard Does that make sense lastnode?
16:09 libsysguy sekjal, jcamins and example of our encoding problem http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=421669
16:11 kf libsysguy: hm, perhaps the font does not provide this character? or wrong normalization form? looks almost like a ö umlaut to me - but the '' look a bit weird on the cover
16:12 oleonard I've seen something similar, and it wasn't a font problem.
16:12 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number
16:12 kf I would try copy and paste from there and check if it still looks weird )
16:13 jcamins libsysguy: looks like you need to re-encode your catalog.
16:13 * oleonard can do so using Firebug and see the correct character
16:13 libsysguy jcamins prepare for my newb question
16:13 jcamins libsysguy: sekjal has a script that does it, I think.
16:13 libsysguy how do I do that
16:13 libsysguy ohh so i have to do it with a script
16:13 * jcamins shamlessly passes the buck.
16:14 jcamins sekjal: didn't you write a script that fixes encoding issues like this?
16:16 kf ok, time to go :) bye all!
16:20 lastnode oleonard: so there is no public list of post-decimal classifications?
16:21 oleonard The Dewey Decimal Classification system is property of OCLC
16:21 jcamins lastnode: the official DDC books.
16:21 oleonard lastnode: Or you can pay for online access I think
16:21 jcamins Or the online version.
16:21 jcamins Regardless, you have to pay for it.
16:22 oleonard The marc editor is pretty hardcore if advancedMarceditor and hide_marc are both set to "don't display" http://screencast.com/t/SSA0kqEzV7C
16:23 jcamins Heh.
16:25 sekjal libsysguy: doesn't look like a normalization problem, which is what I've figured out a scripted fix for
16:25 lastnode right, oleonard. i guess i could start with just doing primary dewey classification (no decimals) and then seeing if i can get my school to pay for OCLC access later
16:25 lastnode thank you very much for your help
16:26 libsysguy hmm
16:26 sekjal looks like the data in the MARC is just plain wrong. not sure if re-encoding from MARC-8 to UTF-8 would help...
16:26 oleonard lastnode: There's no reason for you not to follow the suggestion of the LOC CIP data, but for original cataloging you might skip the decimals
16:26 oleonard lastnode: Are you using z39.50 to search for existing records?
16:27 lastnode oleonard: yes
16:28 libsysguy sekjal I think they are importing in Marc-21
16:28 oleonard lastnode: Good.
16:30 sekjal libsysguy: MARC-21 is the Marc flavour; MARC-8 would be the character encoding
16:30 jcamins sekjal: this is what the ANS ran into, that you wrote the script to fix.
16:30 jcamins It was encoded as MARC-8, but treated as UTF-8.
16:31 libsysguy ohh...ok...I told margo to verify that the records with diacritics from one of our librarians were correct...the other librarian uses connexion (sp) so that may be causing the issue
16:32 sekjal jcamins: I don't recall such a fix; I do remember using TouchBiblios.pl to update the Normalization
16:32 sekjal but that was to fix indexing
16:36 jcamins sekjal: way back at the very beginning.
16:37 jcamins sekjal: never mind.
16:37 jcamins sekjal: I was the one who fixed it.
16:37 jcamins libsysguy: sekjal is so awesome, he deserves credit for everything. :D
16:37 libsysguy haha that is how I generally feel when working with sekjal
16:38 lastnode so im off
16:38 lastnode oleonard++
16:38 chris_n stupid firefox
16:38 lastnode thanks again, mate
16:38 jcamins Unfortunately for you, the fix I came up with is not usable in your context.
16:39 oleonard Sure thing lastnode
16:39 * libsysguy is trying to merge hourly with master
16:39 * libsysguy is frustrated
16:39 jcamins To avoid this being an issue in the future, have them select the encoding MARC-8 when staging records from a file.
16:39 jcamins (at least, the files from this particular source)
16:45 oleonard Hi nengard!
16:46 nengard it's Brian; I'm just transferring files. Nicole's doing fine, but can't really use her computer right now.
16:47 oleonard Give her our best
16:47 * libsysguy is finally done rebasing
16:48 jcamins Hi, bengard. Tell Nicole that Myshkin was already to visit and offer post-operation comfort: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/302971_734013189769_24800824_37561354_2000990890_n.jpg
16:48 jcamins s/already/all ready/
16:56 libsysguy in Auth.pm I see a line that says "use vars qw($some_vars);" where do those vars get set?
16:57 libsysguy I only ask because I'm using LDAP and I was getting an error but when i tell auth to use auth_with_ldap it starts working again
16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: Lawrence Public Library is part of NEKLS, right?
16:58 sekjal libsysguy: I think that was fixed in current HEAD
16:58 sekjal some of the CAS improvements damaged LDAP connections
16:58 libsysguy b-b-but i just rebased on that
16:58 libsysguy :'(
16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: If they are, tell them their "A book commits suicide every time you watch Jersey Shore" PSA is awesome.
16:59 sekjal libsysguy: did you pull the most recent master code before?
16:59 sekjal this was fixed last week or so (very recent)
16:59 libsysguy god I hope I remembered to do that
17:00 libsysguy I checked out hourly on my dev box then merged it with origin/master
17:00 libsysguy that should pull the most recent right?
17:05 jcamins libsysguy: only if you did git fetch origin first.
17:05 sekjal ^^
17:05 libsysguy crap...
17:06 jcamins libsysguy: but if you already resolved some of the conflicts, it won't be so painful when you merge in the rest.
17:06 jcamins Just run git fetch origin
17:06 jcamins And rerun the merge command.
17:08 libsysguy always a conflict with updatedatabase *smh*
17:09 jcamins Yeah, that's pretty much a given.
17:11 libsysguy omg...all the comments in kohastructure :'(
17:11 libsysguy there is no face to represent eternal sadness
17:12 libsysguy after a merge do I have to commit or can i just consider it done?
17:12 jcamins Run git status and see what it says.
17:13 libsysguy lots of changes need to be committed
17:13 libsysguy lol
17:13 libsysguy is it just git commit -m "merged branch"
17:14 jcamins I have no idea. I've never used merge.
17:14 libsysguy me either :'(
17:14 jcamins Are you sure you don't have to correct the conflict, add the file, then run something like git merge --continue?
17:18 libsysguy jcamins hmm looks like you have to commit then do a pull
17:18 jcamins Could be.
17:20 libsysguy this is a mess...how does sekjal do this for the whole community
17:20 * sekjal doesn't
17:20 sekjal I just write and test code
17:20 sekjal okay, sometimes there is rebasing
17:21 libsysguy haha ohh I thought you were the merge master :p
17:21 libsysguy is that rangi?
17:21 sekjal libsysguy: yes, rangi is RM for 3.6, and does all the committing to the Koha master branch
17:21 sekjal chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch
17:22 libsysguy poor rangi...I'm surprised he is always in such a good mood
17:22 libsysguy I'd be angry all the time dealing with code conflicts lol
17:24 sekjal libsysguy: I'm going to make some green tea; would you care for an e-cup?
17:25 libsysguy i would indeed love a cup
17:25 wizzyrea jcamins: LPL is *in* NEKLS, but isn't part of NExpress (yet, if ever)
17:26 * libsysguy successfully merged master and hourly
17:26 libsysguy does that make me done for the day?
17:26 sekjal libsysguy: huzzah!
17:27 * chris_n crawls out of the woodwork upon hearing his name
17:29 jcamins wizzyrea: well, I guess you probably don't talk to them much, but if you do, great PSA. :)
17:37 * sekjal pours libsysguy some tea
17:37 cait oh
17:37 cait can I have some too?
17:37 * sekjal pours cait a cup, as well
17:38 cait mm :)
17:38 * cait tried to make tea a minute ago, but forgot to put the tea leaves into the tea pot before adding water
17:39 cait long day
17:40 jcamins I hate it when I do that.
17:40 jcamins It's not quite as bad as when you forget to heat the water, though.
17:40 cait hehe true
17:52 cait ok, now it worked - green tea someone?
18:04 jcamins By the way, was anyone able to figure out what the point of the Open Bibliography Principles is?
18:07 Brooke kia ora
18:07 Brooke it's doin' it again!
18:09 Brooke if I go to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notifications_RFC
18:09 Brooke it's taking me to edit the template for rfcs
18:09 Brooke so I cancelled out
18:20 gmcharlt jcamins: it's been out there for a while -- and pretty important, at least to the extent that it makes libraries think twice before automatically assigning their bibliographic data to an entity that would try to make it proprietary
18:21 wizzyrea jcamins do you have the link to that PSA?
18:21 wizzyrea I (shamefully) admit I haven't seen it
18:25 jcamins wizzyrea: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.128861503649.106942.94990393649
18:25 jcamins Third row from the bottom, second from the left.
18:26 wizzyrea lol
18:26 wizzyrea ty
18:28 jcamins gmcharlt: ah. Thanks. Suddenly people have been e-mailing it to all my mailing lists, and I can't quite figure out why.
19:36 rangi Morning
19:37 oleonard Hi rangi
19:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz
19:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on September 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
19:40 rangi gonna be a nice day, crisp morning and now blue sky
19:44 druthb wizzyrea++
19:44 rangi I hope the solvent smell is gone
19:44 wizzyrea what'd I do?
19:44 rangi new carpet is stinky
19:44 wizzyrea ew
19:44 wizzyrea yes
19:44 wizzyrea yes it is
19:45 rangi redoing all the aircon, and carpets and stuff in the building
19:45 wizzyrea stinky
19:45 rangi most importantly recabling too
19:45 wizzyrea ooooo
19:47 rangi @later tell libsysguy merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:47 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:49 maximep so true
19:50 gmcharlt @quote add <rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:50 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #153 added.
19:51 wizzyrea ok that made me spit water out of my nose.
19:51 rangi @quote random
19:51 huginn rangi: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
19:51 wizzyrea @quote random
19:51 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
19:52 wizzyrea ah that's a number I should remember
19:52 * wizzyrea loves how everyone now calls it a "quote 123 problem"
19:52 rangi heh
19:53 jcamins @quote get 123
19:53 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:53 jcamins Ah.
19:53 jcamins Right.
19:54 cait hehe
19:55 rangi oh heres some cool news
19:55 rangi the nz treasury dept is presenting on koha tomorrow
19:55 rangi to the special library association
19:56 wizzyrea Nice!
19:56 rangi session sold out
19:56 wizzyrea lol!
19:57 rangi yeah pretty neat, the best salespeople are always happy users :)
19:58 wizzyrea :D
20:00 cait :)
20:03 rangi 3 games today
20:03 wizzyrea who's playing?
20:03 andersonbd1 total newbie looking for help :-)
20:03 oleonard Go for it andersonbd1
20:04 * wizzyrea resists the urge to quote get 145 :)
20:04 rangi hmm I know Georgia is, can't member the others, namibia too I think
20:04 druthb @quote get 145
20:04 huginn druthb: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
20:04 rangi maybe canada
20:04 * druthb doesn't resist.
20:04 andersonbd1 I went through all the install steps and got to the point where I go to the browser (http://ubuntu:8080) - which is the name of my machine
20:05 andersonbd1 and I got this error:
20:05 andersonbd1 Software error:
20:05 andersonbd1 Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 291.
20:05 andersonbd1 For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@ubuntu), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
20:05 rangi what version are u installing?
20:06 rangi 3.4.4 ?
20:06 wahanui 3.4.4 is the current stable release
20:07 wizzyrea maybe a better question
20:07 wizzyrea where did you download it from?
20:07 andersonbd1 koha-3.04.04
20:07 rangi cool
20:07 andersonbd1 http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
20:08 wizzyrea :) what he said
20:08 rangi hmm and you have no missing modules?
20:08 * rangi hasn't bumped into this one before
20:08 andersonbd1 not sure about that - how do I know if modules are missing?
20:08 rangi my stop bbiab
20:08 wizzyrea well make test will usually give you a hint
20:09 andersonbd1 make test passed
20:11 wizzyrea what version of ubuntu?
20:11 * wizzyrea idly wonders if you are missing CGI::Session
20:12 andersonbd1 andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ uname -a
20:12 andersonbd1 Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:14 andersonbd1 I have CGI::Session (disclaimer: I am a perl/CPAN novice)... I've been using apt-get to install these modules (eg: sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-perl)
20:14 rangi yeah apt-get is definitely the best way to do it
20:15 rangi andersonbd1: can you try this
20:16 rangi in your unpacked tarball
20:16 rangi run
20:16 rangi ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:17 wizzyrea oo, I smell a faq there.
20:17 andersonbd1 andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:17 andersonbd1 Module Name Current Version Required Version Module Required
20:17 andersonbd1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:17 andersonbd1 Authen::CAS::Client 0 * 0.05 Yes
20:17 andersonbd1 Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0 * 0.05 Yes
20:17 andersonbd1 CGI::Session::Driver::memc 0 * 0.04 No
20:17 andersonbd1 CGI::Session::Serialize::y 0 * 4.2 Yes
20:17 andersonbd1 DBD::SQLite2 0 * 0.33 No
20:17 andersonbd1 Data::ICal 0 * 0.13 Yes
20:17 andersonbd1 Date::ICal 0 * 1.72 Yes
20:17 wizzyrea so, some stuff.
20:17 andersonbd1 DateTime 0 * 0.51 Yes
20:18 andersonbd1 Email::Date 0 * 1.103 Yes
20:18 andersonbd1 Graphics::Magick 0 * 1.3.05 No
20:18 andersonbd1 HTML::Template::Pro 0 * 0.69 Yes
20:18 andersonbd1 HTTP::OAI 0 * 3.2 Yes
20:18 rangi looks like lots missing ;)
20:18 andersonbd1 Lingua::Stem::Snowball 0 * 0.952 Yes
20:18 rangi oh btw, in future, you can use
20:18 wizzyrea afk
20:18 andersonbd1 Locale::Currency::Format 0 * 1.28 Yes
20:18 andersonbd1 Locale::PO 0 * 0.17 Yes
20:18 andersonbd1 MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCor 0 *
20:18 andersonbd1 aha - I need to install all of those don't I?
20:18 rangi paste.koha-community.org
20:18 rangi if you want to paste something ;)
20:18 rangi yep, that would be my firsl step
20:19 rangi CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml
20:19 rangi that is the one missing that is causing your immediate error
20:19 rangi but you will need them all
20:20 andersonbd1 thanks much rangi. will do that and report back. not sure how to use that past.koha-community.org link - am I missing something obvious?
20:20 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/ you go here
20:20 rangi paste into that big box
20:20 rangi change the channel to #koha
20:20 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right
20:20 rangi and hit paste it
20:20 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "like this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35
20:24 andersonbd1 in a browser? I don't see anything when I go there.
20:25 rangi weird you should get a form
20:25 rangi can others see it?
20:27 rangi pastebin.com would work too
20:33 maximep sure works for me
20:35 rhcl andersonbd1: drop off the final "35" from the link above and you should see the blank form. Just this: http://paste.koha-community.org
20:42 wizzyrea oh and andersonbd1, on ubuntu you can get the nice name by executing lsb_release -irc
20:43 wizzyrea or you can cat /etc/lsb-release
20:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5234' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8bd9b146076c9620d34a45fed41e4c069e96c32> / Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d976f3dd5e9b36784562a02da25ae04122d86>
21:07 jenkins_koha Starting build 411 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
21:20 maximep probably not normal that your jenkins outputs : Devel::Cover: Can't find file "cmp_ok
21:20 maximep mine doesn't
21:48 sekjal night, all!
21:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #411: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/411/
21:53 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files
21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
21:58 rangi right
21:59 rangi im gonna try to push some more bug 6458
21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
21:59 rangi get these tests not failing
22:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68de42d59d7070bc58f25cb13ad159d8c70aafc6> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=362b82c51d1ff4fe6506f7724e8dac7d0a24ebd0> / Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
22:37 jenkins_koha Starting build 412 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
22:45 libsysguy hey guys
22:45 libsysguy I have a question about fines
22:45 rangi yup
22:45 libsysguy so it looks like fines calculate a day late?
22:46 rangi ?
22:46 rangi they calculate acording to your circ rules
22:46 libsysguy well if a person is lets say 45 minutes late turning in a book
22:46 rangi yup
22:47 libsysguy then the chargeable_units would still be 0 right?
22:47 rangi ?
22:47 libsysguy because it does end_date-start_date
22:47 rangi are you talking hourly loans, or normal koha
22:47 libsysguy well they both run on the same code in this case
22:48 libsysguy but normal koha for the example im trying to fix
22:48 libsysguy basically we had a prof turn in a book the day after it was due
22:48 rangi for normal koha, the minimum period for a book to be overdue is 1
22:48 libsysguy Koha said the item was overdue
22:48 rangi day
22:48 libsysguy but didn't assess a fine
22:48 rangi for fines, because thats the minimum period you can define for the fine to be applied
22:49 rangi and it only works it out, when the cron job runs
22:49 libsysguy right so the cron run every 30 minutes
22:49 rangi so if someone has returned it before the cron job runs, then it wont get a fine
22:50 rangi right so for normal koha, it only gets a fine if its returned on a day other than the day it was due
22:50 rangi times dont matter
22:50 rangi only the day
22:50 libsysguy so the day after it was due there should be a fine...right
22:50 rangi depends what your circ rules say
22:50 libsysguy I;m thinking time shouldn't come into play here since its still running at night
22:51 libsysguy well the interval is set to one
22:51 libsysguy so yes I would assume it would
22:51 rangi whats the grace period set to
22:51 libsysguy 0
22:51 rangi then yes after 1 day overdue, it should apply a fine
22:51 libsysguy but (going by what my circulation librarian told me) the patron turned the item in the day after it was due with no charge
22:52 libsysguy odd...
22:52 rangi well you can check it in the db, it will log the returndate
22:52 libsysguy btw i understand your frustration with SVN...Coral uses it still :'(
22:52 libsysguy what table?
22:52 rangi old_issues
22:52 rangi that has all the returned itesm
22:53 rangi and/or statistics
22:53 rangi select * from statistics where itemnumber= whatever and type='return';
22:54 rangi that has a nice datetime stamp on it, so will tell you exactly when it was returned
22:54 libsysguy gotcha
22:54 libsysguy ok I'll investigate further...it may be that the librarian is crazy ;)
22:55 eythian often the way ;)
22:56 libsysguy oh trust me I know
22:56 eythian jcamins: you can, yep
23:02 libsysguy ok so the due date was 2011-09-12 23:59:00 and the return date was 2011-09-13 13:38:58
23:03 libsysguy so based on normal koha would you say fine or no fine
23:03 rangi you are sure the fines cron job runs every 30 mins?
23:03 rangi (on normal koha we just run it once a day)
23:03 rangi round 6am
23:03 libsysguy 30 * * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/fines.pl
23:04 libsysguy is what I have in my crontab
23:04 rangi id have expected, that one would go on at 00:30 on the 13th then
23:04 rangi given the appropriate circ rules being set
23:04 rangi look in /tmp
23:04 libsysguy that is what I would have expected as well
23:05 rangi there should be some .log files
23:05 rangi probably running it every 30 mins makes them less useful tho
23:05 libsysguy heh
23:05 libsysguy look at the ones for the 13th?
23:06 rangi yeah
23:06 libsysguy oh man...so should I look for anything in particular
23:06 libsysguy just the patron
23:06 rangi yeah
23:07 rangi its a tab sep file
23:07 libsysguy yeah i see the patron
23:07 rangi you can open it libreoffice or gnumeric it makes its easier to read
23:07 rangi anything in the fines column?
23:07 libsysguy but no fine at the end...it just says 0
23:07 rangi right
23:07 rangi one thing to check
23:07 rangi in sysprefs
23:07 libsysguy but the days overdue also says 0
23:08 rangi right, that would be why it didnt do it then
23:08 libsysguy what is sysprefs?
23:08 rangi other fines are going on eh?
23:09 libsysguy I believe so
23:09 rangi but if its saying 0 days overdue, then yeah its not gonna charge anything
23:09 libsysguy I tested fines for hourly
23:09 rangi what does it say for date_due
23:09 libsysguy and it was working (or so I thought
23:09 libsysguy the 12th
23:09 libsysguy same as the db
23:10 rangi its the 14th here today
23:10 rangi and i see things like
23:10 rangi Library Assistant 10398 141155 2011-09-13 1
23:10 rangi so its picking it as 1 day overdue
23:11 rangi my guess its it somethign to do with circ rules
23:11 libsysguy hmm
23:12 rangi or the changes to do with hourly
23:12 libsysguy this is what I have 712830 0000002027266 2011-09-12 23:59:00 0 0
23:12 rangi yeah see in normal koha, there is no time, just date
23:12 libsysguy well there are only about 3 lines in the fines script that changed for hourly
23:12 libsysguy but...maybe
23:12 libsysguy I can try merging...but not till this weekend
23:12 rangi and thats the file for the 13th eh?
23:13 libsysguy yes it is
23:13 rangi interesting i see nothin that have 0 for days overdue
23:14 libsysguy I found that odd as well
23:14 libsysguy that it saw it as overdue but didn't put a number in for it
23:14 rangi (3505 lines for this mornings run)
23:14 rangi yeah
23:14 rangi so i suspect the code that is calculating how overdue something is
23:14 rangi that is the problem
23:15 rangi lemme check it out
23:15 rangi ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next;
23:15 rangi its getting past that, so thats good
23:16 libsysguy ok...in the mean time I have dinner planned with my Swede...ill be back on later if you're still around?
23:16 rangi CalcFine
23:16 rangi $overdueItemsCounted++;
23:16 rangi my ($amount,$type,$daycounttotal,$daycount)=
23:16 rangi CalcFine($data->[$i]
23:17 rangi that sets the amount, and how overdue
23:17 rangi ill investigate what changed for 5549
23:17 rangi yep ill be here
23:17 libsysguy oh oh
23:17 libsysguy i have this
23:17 libsysguy my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} );
23:17 libsysguy if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) {
23:17 libsysguy next; # not overdue
23:17 libsysguy }
23:17 libsysguy ++$counted;
23:17 libsysguy my ( $amount, $type, $daycounttotal ) =
23:17 libsysguy CalcFine( $overdue, $borrower->{categorycode},
23:17 libsysguy $branchcode, $datedue, $today );
23:17 libsysguy oops...should have used pastebin...my bad
23:18 rangi yeah thats diff
23:18 rangi in master its
23:18 rangi ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; # or it's not overdue, right?
23:18 libsysguy hmm...ok ill focus on that when i get back
23:18 rangi but i dont think thats the problem
23:18 rangi i think its CalcFine itself
23:18 libsysguy gotta run...sorry rangi...gf is complaining about being hungry :'(
23:18 rangi thats change
23:18 libsysguy ok
23:19 rangi cya later
23:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/412/
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * katrin.fischer: Fix for Bug 6458 Follow-up for memberentrygen.tt
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / patron-attr-types
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / clone-rules
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23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:22 rangi yes the entire CalcFine sub has changed
23:23 rangi try git show 5c7c3377 when you get back
23:34 rangi my $days_minus_grace = $chargeable_units - $data->{firstremind}; if ($data->{'chargeperiod'} && $days_minus_grace ) {
23:35 rangi i suspect $days_minus_grace is becoming 0
23:35 rangi return ($amount, $data->{chargename}, $days_minus_grace);
23:35 rangi that should give you enough to go on