Time  Nick            Message
00:27 kulps           would it be a bad idea to remove the "mandatory" flag from most of the marc framework fields?
00:27 kulps           Since my library is currently just for me, I don't know I need all the "required" information
00:28 kulps           keep maybe the author, title, isbn and item type as required
00:28 kulps           let the rest just come in as it does?
00:32 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473>
00:34 eythian         There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:35 eythian         I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:35 rangi           you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:35 rangi           what he said
00:35 eythian         oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:45 kulps           hmm, my javachat seems to have cycled since I was afk, not sure if anybody answered if it was a bad idea to clear the flags.
00:49 eythian         kulps:
00:49 eythian         <eythian> There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there?
00:49 eythian         <eythian> I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really.
00:49 eythian         <rangi> you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future
00:49 eythian         <rangi> what he said
00:49 eythian         <eythian> oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too
00:54 kulps           yeah, I dont plan to make my own records, only pull from the canadian library
00:54 kulps           the records I would make would be invalid anyway
00:54 kulps           I was hoping to use Koha as a bit of an asset tracker
00:54 kulps           so if I had an item type for "asset" and used author as manfactureur, title as model, isbn as serial number
00:55 kulps           it's a bit screwy, I admit, but I like the idea of keeping it all in a database
00:55 eythian         It's a little screwy, but you could make it work to some degree I expect.
00:56 eythian         If you're willing to accept that sometimes you may be pushing a bit against the grain of how it expects to work.
00:57 kulps           I really want to use Koha to manage my books, because it sure beats typing it out by hand
00:57 kulps           maybe I should bite the bullet and look for a personal asset manager...
00:57 kulps           hmmm
00:57 kulps           just ideas.
00:58 kulps           Thanks for entertaining them none the less!
01:39 mtj             yow, crazy hail in wgtn
02:00 eythian         yeah. we just missed it.
02:07 eythian         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5616116/Heavy-hail-pounds-Wellington <-- good to see the news is on top of it
02:35 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af9ac2fb57d07cef95fc97e3269e844ce7431ed1> / Bug 6716 couple of little typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f630631218c5b36f5b4333012e40e059850c0ee4>
02:37 jenkins_koha    Starting build 410 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago)
02:57 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/borrowers.html
02:57 rangi           if you toggle the comments on, you can see the comments that nicole has been putting in
02:58 wizzyrea        oh that is top notch
02:58 rangi           thanks to eythian for rediscovering schemaspy and nicole for putting comments on things
02:58 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html
02:58 wizzyrea        word
02:58 rangi           i just have to get the table level comments showing and all good
02:58 eythian         that looks pretty good with those comments.
02:58 rangi           yeah
02:58 wizzyrea        eff yea it does
02:58 wizzyrea        eythian++ nengard++
02:58 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/biblio.html
02:59 rangi           handy
02:59 wizzyrea        hawt
02:59 wizzyrea        hawt hawt hawt
02:59 wizzyrea        omg hot.
02:59 eythian         oh, that will be handy alright
02:59 rangi           heh
03:00 eythian         http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html <-- even handier, when done :)
03:00 wizzyrea        aw yea
03:00 rangi           yep items not done yet
03:00 wizzyrea        but even so
03:01 wizzyrea        is super
03:01 rangi           i have a job to keep it up to date
03:01 rangi           so as new comments are added on bug 6716
03:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:01 rangi           it will get better and better
03:01 wizzyrea        *nod* supergood
03:01 wizzyrea        so many people looking for exactly this data
03:03 wizzyrea        eythian are you on the twitterz or identica?
03:04 eythian         wizzyrea: yeah, on identi.ca
03:04 eythian         Not that I use it terribly often. I'm a terrible blogger, micro or otherwise.
03:04 wizzyrea        hehe
03:04 wizzyrea        what's your handle?
03:05 wizzyrea        i always feel super nerdy when I say handle.
03:10 eythian         @eythian
03:10 huginn          eythian: I suck
03:10 eythian         tricky, no
03:10 eythian         huginn: it's OK
03:10 huginn          eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:11 wizzyrea        lol
03:11 wizzyrea        bot vs human, fight!
03:12 eythian         http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/30/cleverbot-vs-cleverbot-fight/ <-- I am not a robot. I am a unicorn.
03:12 wizzyrea        i saw that... laughed and laughed
03:21 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #410: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/410/
03:21 jenkins_koha    Chris Cormack: Bug 6716 couple of little typos
03:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
03:26 rangi           heh
03:26 rangi           https://yfrog.com/ny84714183j
03:26 wizzyrea        tee hee
04:14 Judit           hello
04:18 eythian         So you say.
04:29 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6360] all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360>
04:35 Judit           might be a stupid question but is it possible that i dont have ceilingdudate and globalduedate in my syspref
04:37 eythian         It seems quite possible.
04:37 eythian         They don't exist in mine either.
04:38 Judit1          you broke it!
04:38 Judit1          why is that
04:38 eythian         are they supposed to exist?
04:39 Judit1          http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:40 Judit1          yes, i am on 3.4
04:40 Judit1          shame on me
04:40 eythian         you're spelling them wrong
04:42 Judit1          if i search for DueDate
04:42 Judit1          i receive only SpecifyDueDate
04:42 eythian         but I can't find mention of them in the preferences file anyway
04:42 eythian         and I'm looking on master
04:43 rangi           they were moved in master
04:43 eythian         there's reference to them in the code
04:43 eythian         C4/Circulation.pm:            $datedue = C4::Dates->new( C4::Context->preference('globalDueDate') );
04:43 rangi           look in localuse
04:44 eythian         not there either
04:44 Judit1          not there
04:45 eythian         installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl:    $dbh->do("DELETE FROM `systempreferences` WHERE variable = 'globalDueDate' OR variable = 'ceilingDueDate'");
04:45 rangi           yep
04:45 eythian         they've been removed
04:45 rangi           git show e57dadf762101cfb7371c3d2c93e8163a2ace69f
04:45 eythian         although no one removed the code that references them
04:45 Judit1          removed from 3.4?
04:45 rangi           you define them in the circ rules
04:45 Judit1          but still in the manual
04:45 Judit1          hm
04:45 mtj             eythian: thanx for looking at my patch today
04:46 eythian         no problem
04:47 rangi           bug 5548
04:47 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
04:49 Judit1          okay
04:49 Judit1          i see
04:49 Brooke          I realise it's nearly beer o'clock
04:49 Brooke          but nengard is relatively fine.
04:49 Judit1          in circ rules there is a Hard Due date
04:49 Judit1          themanual is wrong this time, not me
04:49 Judit1          thank you!
04:50 Brooke          People that write documentation are flawless goddesses that are never, ever wrong.
04:50 rangi           Brooke: she's been on irc already, and gchat :)
04:51 Brooke          rangi: I know, but you might be worried that she's being macho :P
04:51 Brooke          Judit, what section and subsection and stuff?
04:51 rangi           id accuse nengard of lots of things, being macho would never be one
04:51 * Brooke        snorts.
04:52 Judit1          Broke i know they are flawless and never, ever wrong :)
04:53 Judit1          that is why i like them
04:53 Judit1          and manuals
04:54 cait            morning #koha
04:55 rangi           hi cait
04:55 Brooke          guten morgen
04:55 Judit1          so
04:55 Judit1          http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c18#circprefs
04:55 * Brooke        heads for bid before Cait nags her...
04:55 Judit1
04:55 Judit1          and globalDueDate
04:56 Judit1 ceilingDueDate
04:56 Judit1          are no longer in Koha- 3.4
04:56 Judit1          but still in the manual for Koha 3.4
04:57 rangi           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
04:57 rangi           send a patch
04:58 Judit1          brooke asked me to state it here
04:58 Judit1          okay i send it to the mailing list
04:58 rangi           or better yet
04:58 rangi           make a patch
05:00 Judit1          and send it to the mailian glist
05:00 rangi           the docs mailing list yes
05:02 rangi           right, hometime
05:02 eythian         Hmm, I have half an hour to decide if I should bike across town or not.
05:03 Judit1          do!
05:03 Judit1          :)
05:04 eythian         well, I'm afraid of getting caught out in a hailstorm
05:04 cait            snow again?
05:04 Judit1          so then what?:)
05:05 eythian         cait: no, although it looked like it. It was a massive, although brief, hailstorm.
05:05 eythian         earlier today.
05:05 cait            oh!
05:05 cait            not something you want to witness on a bike
05:05 eythian         not really, no.
05:05 Judit1          chicken!
05:06 eythian         I'm OK with that.
05:07 eythian         On the other hand, it seems to be a bit sunny out there right now
05:08 * cait          would prefer cycling in a hailstorm to figuring out things like translating addresses for paging early in the morning
05:25 rangi           still cold but
05:25 rangi           blue sky tho
05:27 eythian         yeah, blue out this way too
05:27 eythian         and so now it's time to hope it stays that way.
06:13 magnuse         kia ora #koha
06:22 alex_a          hello #koha !
06:45 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] koha-* scripts have no manual pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877>
06:55 francharb       hello #koha
06:58 magnuse         bonjour!
07:02 hdl             hi frr
07:02 reiveune        hello
08:02 rangi           evening
08:02 magnuse         morning rangi
08:12 hdl             hi rangi
08:18 rangi           hi hdl
08:18 * rangi         is just regenerating the schema with more table comments now
08:23 rangi           paul_p: i agree with you, i think scenario 3 is the best, the history is far to useful to lose
08:24 paul_p          of course you agree, as you suggested this scenario ;-) ;-) (good evening)
08:24 paul_p          kf++
08:24 paul_p          rangi++
08:24 paul_p          frere-sebastien-marie++
08:24 paul_p          for the great work on html inside tags break translation fixes !
08:27 rangi           there are still some waiting signoff
08:27 rangi           then i can push them too
08:33 rangi           http://schema.koha-community.org/ now with more table comments
08:36 magnuse         just gotta translate this tweet from @Miromurr for y'all: "trying [proprietary norwegian ils] after 2 years of koha. as much fun as banging your head into a brick wall - repeatedly" ;-)
08:36 rangi           heh
08:36 rangi           has he changed jobs?
08:38 magnuse         he's on a one year leave to work at a public library, including their book boat!
08:38 rangi           ahhhh
08:38 rangi           maybe by the end of the year they will be on koha :)
08:39 magnuse         he almost got koha onboard the book boat, but someone got there just ahead of him with a proprietary ils...
08:39 rangi           ahhh
08:39 magnuse         if he has his way they sure will! ;-)
08:43 * paul_p        head to see his banker...
08:44 * magnuse       wishes paul_p the best of luck ;-)
09:16 rangi           magnuse: jo posted the swedish job to the nz-libs mailing list, maybe some nzers will apply :)
09:16 magnuse         yay!
09:32 rangi           fredericd: gonna put a photo on your user page? :-)
09:33 paul_p          i'm back (it was just to sign some papers)
09:45 rangi           magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12  do you think we should shift this content to a real page, and out of the category?
09:46 rangi           hdl/paul_p: did you see this http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4847  ?
09:46 magnuse         rangi: i'm fine either way
09:47 magnuse         hooray for nicole!
09:49 hdl             rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday
09:52 paul_p          rangi, I hadn't seen the message, thx
10:04 reiveune        bye
10:07 kf              hi #koha
10:09 rangi           hi kf
10:09 kf              hi rangi :)
10:13 magnuse         guten tag kf
10:15 kf              hi magnus :)
10:44 rangi           paul_p: did you watch the france vs japan game?
10:46 rangi           magnuse: do you know of a marc212rdf script?
10:49 magnuse         rangi: did you see https://github.com/bensinober/normarc2rdf ? mappings are configurable so it shouldn't really be normarc specific
10:49 rangi           ahh
10:50 kf              magnuse++
10:50 magnuse         that script is based on a marc21 one though, let me see if i can find it
10:51 rangi           yeah its the config i dont want to write :)
10:51 magnuse         hehe
10:51 rangi           if you can do it in ruby, then it should be easy peasy to do it in perl, using the same yaml config
10:51 magnuse         https://github.com/rsinger/marc2rdf-modeler - A set of Ruby scripts for taking MARC21 records and remodeling them in RDF
10:51 rangi           and then, we can make a save as rdf option
10:52 magnuse         yes please!
10:52 kf              !
10:52 magnuse         but sadly, straight mappings from marc 2 rdf aren't all that interesting, i think
10:52 rangi           well rsinger does some lcsh stuff too
10:53 magnuse         turning marc into rdf gets interesting when yu use rdf to make up for the shortcomings of marc...
10:53 magnuse         adding identifiers, realtionships etc
10:53 rangi           yup, but an export as rdf is a first step
10:53 magnuse         it sure is, and would be very cool!
10:54 rangi           bit late at night for me to start now, maybe tomorrow night :)
10:54 magnuse         i've been mulling over an idea of how to use rdf to enhance e.g. koha: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Enhancing_the_ILS_with_semantic_data
10:54 magnuse         yay!
10:54 magnuse         it's less than half baked yet, but i will keep adding to it
10:54 kf              rangi++ magnuse++
10:55 rangi           one thing i think would be easy
10:55 rangi           is to do foaf
10:55 magnuse         for records? patrons?
10:55 rangi           authors
10:55 magnuse         ah yes
10:56 kf              foafß
10:56 kf              ?
10:56 magnuse         friend of a friend
10:57 rangi           http://www.foaf-project.org/
10:57 magnuse         what he dais
10:57 magnuse         s/dais/said/
10:57 kf              ah
10:57 kf              never heard of that
10:59 rangi           you know what i hate, when i cant find a license statement
10:59 magnuse         yeah, that sux
10:59 rangi           neither of those repos have them
10:59 magnuse         i'll shoot bensinober an email
11:00 rangi           ruby people, sheesh
11:00 rangi           :)
11:00 magnuse         tsk
11:02 rangi           yeah, quick read, that doesnt look too bad to port
11:02 magnuse         cool
11:04 * magnuse       sends rangi a triple flat white with extra caffeine
11:05 rangi           ok, sleep time
11:06 rangi           before i add more things to my todo list :)
11:06 * rangi         wanders off
11:09 * magnuse       wanders off too, in search of lunch
11:26 nengard         morning #koha
11:27 jcamins_away    Good morning!
11:27 jcamins         How are you feeling today?
11:28 nengard         no pain if i stay still :)
11:28 nengard         so making progress
11:29 nengard         i have one more PT appt here in the hospital and then they plan to send me home
11:29 jcamins         @later tell eythian Can I use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf to get a MySQL user on servers that use a remote MySQL DB?
11:29 huginn          jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:29 jcamins         Yay!
11:29 nengard         yup
11:54 lastnode        hi all
11:54 lastnode        can someone dierct me to a sensible explanation of the dewey decimenl system?
11:55 lastnode        *decimal
11:55 lastnode        google has not helped a lot, im afraid. im just trying to understand the number that comes after thedecimal. is that standard or does it vary from library to library?
12:04 jcamins         lastnode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification and http://www.oclc.org/dewey/
12:12 lastnode        im going through both sites, and have been for days
12:12 lastnode        i guess im just a little thick :)
12:12 lastnode        will keep looking!
12:17 paul_p          rangi (if you're not sleeping) : yes, I looked at France-Japan. Unbelievable how frenchies played wrongly during 20mn (half of the 2nd half) ! I never was afraid of loosing the match, I was sure japanese ppl will go down, but during 20mn, they were really walking on water & we were looking at them !!!
12:24 magnuse         lastnode: i'm afraid "a sensible explanation of ddc" is an oxymoron ;-)
12:25 magnuse         the numbers after the decimal are not local - think of it as one long number - the decimal is just there to make it easier to read
12:39 oleonard        lastnode: The numbers after the decimal are simply added specificity
12:41 oleonard        lastnode: Are you concerned about this issue because you're doing original cataloging?
12:41 oleonard        Also: Hi #koha.
13:12 oleonard        Hi druthb
13:12 druthb          hi, oleonard! :D
13:13 oleonard        So you got to visit exotic metropolitan Lawrence KS?
13:13 druthb          Yep.  I'll be here for a couple of weeks.  Gonna go visit the NEKLS office today.
13:14 oleonard        Oh, you're still there? Cool. That's where I grew up y'know. The Lawrence Public Library was my childhood library.
13:15 druthb          I did not know that, Owen.  :)
13:15 druthb          I got here Saturday, and wizzyrea and trea and little Spud came out for a bit, then again on Sunday for dinner over the fire with us.  Clinton Lake has a nice Corps of Engineers campground.
13:19 * oleonard      wants to visit Lawrence now
13:19 druthb          The weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s.  Rain possible later in the week.
13:21 magnuse         o/
13:22 druthb          o/
13:24 trea            o/
13:25 druthb          hey, oleonard...if there was one must-see thing in Lawrence --other than wizzy and trea--what would it be?
13:27 oleonard        It sounds corny, but I love the university's natural history museum. Of course it's something out of my childhood too, but I think it's a real gem.
13:28 * jcamins       wonders if oleonard intended that as a pun.
13:28 * oleonard      isn't sure they have any gems
13:28 druthb          I was thinking of that one, oleonard;  there's also apparently a little museum about the building of Clinton Lake, right out here by us, that we'll probably try to hit.
13:29 jcamins         oleonard: I was referring to "corny." ;)
13:30 oleonard        Oh, I think you're thinking of Iowa :P
13:30 jcamins         Kansas isn't generally the state that comes to mind when I think "corn," but it does contribute 4% of the United States' corn production.
13:32 rhcl_away       u2 funny
13:33 * druthb        got to see more of SW Iowa and NW Missouri on the way here than she had planned on...70-some miles of I 29 were closed, and the detour was *way* out in the cornfields.
14:13 * wizzyrea      is from NW MO, originally, but Kansas is all I know
14:13 wizzyrea        that is, it's the only place I've *lived*
14:14 jcamins         wizzyrea: well, if you go far enough in any direction, you'll reach the edge of the continent, and find an ocean. On the other side of the ocean, there's more land. :P
14:14 wizzyrea        shh
14:14 * wizzyrea      reminds jcamins that she's been to Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand
14:15 * jcamins       knows, he was just contextualizing.
14:15 wizzyrea        :)
14:15 jcamins         Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand are not parts of Kansas. :P
14:15 wizzyrea        indeed not
14:16 wizzyrea        i've been in probably 46 or 47 of the US states though.
14:16 * oleonard      was afraid for a moment wizzyrea was going to bust out singing "Over the rainbow"
14:16 wizzyrea        lulz
14:17 wizzyrea        oh and good morning
14:18 jcamins         Oh, yeah, good morning.
14:18 * kf            thinks wizzyrea should visit germany next :)
14:18 trea            :D
14:18 wizzyrea        I would LOVE that
14:19 trea            ^^
14:19 wizzyrea        for beer and sausages alone :P
14:19 wizzyrea        and your delicious cookies
14:19 gmcharlt        wizzyrea: trea: sounds like you're set to be world travelers :)
14:20 wizzyrea        gmcharlt: hi!
14:20 gmcharlt        Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 wizzyrea        hehe
14:20 wizzyrea        @quote add gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time
14:20 huginn          wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #152 added.
14:20 * oleonard      startles as gmcharlt appears out of nowhere
14:20 wizzyrea        oleonard: I don't know about you but I've been missing gmcharl
14:20 wizzyrea        t
14:21 kf              wizzyrea: and bonus: if you visit me you can _walk_ over the border to switzerland :)
14:21 kf              so you get 2 countries at the price of one ;)
14:22 wizzyrea        ooooo
14:22 rhcl            just don't walk over the border into Iran
14:23 * oleonard      checks his globe
14:23 jcamins         Did you know that Iran has an island which doesn't require a visa (or didn't used to require a visa) to visit?
14:23 kf              quite unlikely
14:24 wizzyrea        interesting
14:24 wahanui         rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
14:25 trea            and sometimes very extremely not good.
14:30 oleonard        Can someone help me understand what's going on with Bug 5234? chris says it has been pushed, but I still see those files
14:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
14:30 wizzyrea        hehe
14:31 oleonard        And I am looking at master
14:31 wizzyrea        hum
14:33 * kf            was about to suggest checking your branch
14:33 kf              http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=8464104fb299d1b1d707c0a083a04dce7c108953
14:33 kf              oleonard: are you looking at en?
14:34 kf              or at another language folder?
14:34 oleonard        en
14:34 kf              out of ideas
14:34 oleonard        Are those files gone for everyone else?
14:34 kf              check your git log for the commit id?
14:37 sekjal          oleonard: they were recreated when in the switch to T:T
14:39 oleonard        Ah, of course. So this is not a symptom of the crazy.
14:42 jcamins         sekjal: did you see my message about bug 5528? I tested it, and couldn't find any regressions, but I couldn't figure out how to sign off on it.
14:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
14:42 sekjal          jcamins:  yes, I did see
14:42 sekjal          going to take a look soon, and hopefully pass it through QA
14:42 jcamins         Thanks.
14:48 libsysguy_class sekjal we are meeting on thursday right?
14:48 lastnode        oleonard: sorry for the late reply. yes, im doing original cataologing for somebooks.
14:48 sekjal          libsysguy_class:  yes, that's the plan
14:48 libsysguy_class cool I was just putting in a reminder to send out a reminder :p
14:49 kf              jcamins: is it possible to deactivate it?
14:49 oleonard        lastnode: Are you using the call numbers assigned to the books by the LOC?
14:49 kf              jcamins: as in hiding the new function?
14:50 kf              libsysguy_class: heh - good plan!
14:50 jcamins         kf: yes.
14:50 jcamins         When it's not turned on, the tab doesn't show up.
14:51 kf              jcamins: great - thx
14:58 oleonard        I just had a librarian ask me why titles are showing up in search results even though all their items are lost.
14:58 oleonard        I know the answer, but it does point out some inconsistency.
14:59 oleonard        (with hidelostitems turned on of course)
15:00 libsysguy_class sekjal...are bugs 6431, 6430, and 5549 going to play nice with each other?
15:00 sekjal          libsysguy_class:  hmmm, not sure
15:00 sekjal          will have to check
15:01 libsysguy       gotcha...6431 and 6430 looked new
15:04 trea            can someone refresh my memory as to where in the manual accounttypes are defined?
15:08 sekjal          libsysguy:  6430 and 6431 are constituent parts of 5549, so yes, they'll interact very smoothly
15:09 kf              trea: authorized values
15:09 kf              trea: man_inv or somethingl like that
15:10 trea            kf++
15:11 libsysguy       thanks sekjal
15:22 jenkins_koha    Starting build 43 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:25 oleonard        I'm working on Bug 6865. What do y'all think? http://screencast.com/t/tHHspuRZBhv
15:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
15:26 kf              oleonard: have a minuet?
15:26 kf              the color is a bit extreme
15:26 oleonard        ;)
15:26 oleonard        kf: Sure
15:26 kf              ;)
15:26 kf              I have a library with a blind staff member testing koha
15:27 kf              and they complain that field descrption and field in cataloging can not be associated with each other
15:27 kf              and I thought you might have an idea about it
15:28 * oleonard      is looking
15:28 kf              thank you :)
15:30 oleonard        field description as in "CONTROL NUMBER," etc?
15:32 * chris_n       wonders if oleonard has on rose-colored glasses today ;)
15:33 * oleonard      wonders why addbiblio looks so different today
15:33 kf              oleonard: I think so
15:39 oleonard        kf: I think what they mean is that the screen reader is looking for a <label> <input> pair.
15:40 oleonard        In the Koha editor some fields have their own label, but not all. If the field has subfields, then the subfields each have a label
15:40 kf              hmm
15:40 oleonard        Tag has no subfields, the description isn't a label
15:41 kf              I will try to check wtih the library
15:41 oleonard        http://screencast.com/t/hjRzhtuMAjBc
15:41 kf              if it's a problem for all fields or only some of them
15:41 oleonard        The text in all capital letters is not a label. The text below it is.
15:42 kf              looks right to me
15:42 kf              seems right?
15:42 kf              I wonder what would be better, treat them like headings?
15:43 oleonard        One of the problems is that the all-capital-letters text is, for some fields, a link which controls the collapse behavior
15:43 libsysguy       I have a question about diacritics
15:44 libsysguy       some of ours are messed up
15:44 libsysguy       is that a mysql issue
15:44 kf              oleonard: hm
15:45 sekjal          libsysguy:  it's possible.  what are your MySQL encodings for your Koha database?
15:46 libsysguy       can you refresh me on how to check that
15:46 libsysguy       is it in my.cnf?
15:46 libsysguy       or is there a mysql command that i can run
15:46 jcamins         libsysguy: probaby not MySQL encoding, but it's worth checking.
15:46 jcamins         SHOW CREATE TABLE biblioitem;
15:46 lastnode        oleonard: yes im using the LOC call numbers, though some books i am entering dont hvae LOC entries.
15:46 lastnode        which is why i asked.
15:47 jcamins         I think that will tell you what the encoding is set to.
15:47 lastnode        the dewey numbers i grab from LOC - ive been trying to interpret them too. sometimes they dotn amke sense :(
15:47 lastnode        (I am not a Librarian)
15:47 oleonard        lastnode: Do you have an example?
15:47 lastnode        sure
15:47 libsysguy       the charset is utf8
15:48 lastnode        944.083/6 - Charles de Gaulle - Lacouture, Jean.
15:48 lastnode        that is History & geography>>History of Europe>>France & Monaco
15:49 lastnode        (944) now i want to know what .083 means. andthen /6
15:49 libsysguy       hmm so maybe the record import is not importing correctly?
15:51 libsysguy       seen hdl?
15:51 wahanui         hdl was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 1 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday [Tue Sep 13 09:48:41 2011]
15:51 jcamins         .083 is part of the classification.
15:51 jcamins         /6 is giving you an option for going into more detail.
15:52 kf              oleonard: thank you
15:52 kf              oleonard: I will ask for more details and perhaps they have a suggeston what would work better
15:57 oleonard        Isn't there a git command where you can step through commits to see where a bug arose?
15:57 jcamins         git bisect.
15:57 wahanui         git bisect is our friend here
16:04 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.4.x build #43: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/43/
16:04 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages
16:04 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up
16:04 jenkins_koha    * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/...
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/...
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion
16:04 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results
16:04 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present
16:07 oleonard        lastnode: The only way to find out exactly what the .083 /means/ is to find a DDC reference, which you'll have to pay for
16:08 oleonard        ...because OCLC isn't looking out for you, it just wants your money.
16:08 kf              oh wow
16:08 oleonard        So for instance, our DDC reference says the .083 means "Period of the Fifth Republic, 1958-"
16:08 oleonard        And then it says .083 6 means "1958-1969"
16:09 oleonard        .083 7 means 1970-1979, .083 8 means 1980-1989, etc.
16:09 oleonard        Does that make sense lastnode?
16:09 libsysguy       sekjal, jcamins and example of our encoding problem http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=421669
16:11 kf              libsysguy: hm, perhaps the font does not provide this character? or wrong normalization form? looks almost like a ö umlaut to me - but the '' look a bit weird on the cover
16:12 oleonard        I've seen something similar, and it wasn't a font problem.
16:12 kf              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number
16:12 kf              I would try copy and paste from there and check if it still looks weird )
16:13 jcamins         libsysguy: looks like you need to re-encode your catalog.
16:13 * oleonard      can do so using Firebug and see the correct character
16:13 libsysguy       jcamins prepare for my newb question
16:13 jcamins         libsysguy: sekjal has a script that does it, I think.
16:13 libsysguy       how do I do that
16:13 libsysguy       ohh so i have to do it with a script
16:13 * jcamins       shamlessly passes the buck.
16:14 jcamins         sekjal: didn't you write a script that fixes encoding issues like this?
16:16 kf              ok, time to go :) bye all!
16:20 lastnode        oleonard: so there is no public list of post-decimal classifications?
16:21 oleonard        The Dewey Decimal Classification system is property of OCLC
16:21 jcamins         lastnode: the official DDC books.
16:21 oleonard        lastnode: Or you can pay for online access I think
16:21 jcamins         Or the online version.
16:21 jcamins         Regardless, you have to pay for it.
16:22 oleonard        The marc editor is pretty hardcore if advancedMarceditor and hide_marc are both set to "don't display" http://screencast.com/t/SSA0kqEzV7C
16:23 jcamins         Heh.
16:25 sekjal          libsysguy:  doesn't look like a normalization problem, which is what I've figured out a scripted fix for
16:25 lastnode        right, oleonard. i guess i could start with just doing primary dewey classification (no decimals) and then seeing if i can get my school to pay for OCLC access later
16:25 lastnode        thank you very much for your help
16:26 libsysguy       hmm
16:26 sekjal          looks like the data in the MARC is just plain wrong.  not sure if re-encoding from MARC-8 to UTF-8 would help...
16:26 oleonard        lastnode: There's no reason for you not to follow the suggestion of the LOC CIP data, but for original cataloging you might skip the decimals
16:26 oleonard        lastnode: Are you using z39.50 to search for existing records?
16:27 lastnode        oleonard: yes
16:28 libsysguy       sekjal I think they are importing in Marc-21
16:28 oleonard        lastnode: Good.
16:30 sekjal          libsysguy:  MARC-21 is the Marc flavour; MARC-8 would be the character encoding
16:30 jcamins         sekjal: this is what the ANS ran into, that you wrote the script to fix.
16:30 jcamins         It was encoded as MARC-8, but treated as UTF-8.
16:31 libsysguy       ohh...ok...I told margo to verify that the records with diacritics from one of our librarians were correct...the other librarian uses connexion (sp) so that may be causing the issue
16:32 sekjal          jcamins:  I don't recall such a fix; I do remember using TouchBiblios.pl to update the Normalization
16:32 sekjal          but that was to fix indexing
16:36 jcamins         sekjal: way back at the very beginning.
16:37 jcamins         sekjal: never mind.
16:37 jcamins         sekjal: I was the one who fixed it.
16:37 jcamins         libsysguy: sekjal is so awesome, he deserves credit for everything. :D
16:37 libsysguy       haha that is how I generally feel when working with sekjal
16:38 lastnode        so im off
16:38 lastnode        oleonard++
16:38 chris_n         stupid firefox
16:38 lastnode        thanks again, mate
16:38 jcamins         Unfortunately for you, the fix I came up with is not usable in your context.
16:39 oleonard        Sure thing lastnode
16:39 * libsysguy     is trying to merge hourly with master
16:39 * libsysguy     is frustrated
16:39 jcamins         To avoid this being an issue in the future, have them select the encoding MARC-8 when staging records from a file.
16:39 jcamins         (at least, the files from this particular source)
16:45 oleonard        Hi nengard!
16:46 nengard         it's Brian; I'm just transferring files.  Nicole's doing fine, but can't really use her computer right now.
16:47 oleonard        Give her our best
16:47 * libsysguy     is finally done rebasing
16:48 jcamins         Hi, bengard. Tell Nicole that Myshkin was already to visit and offer post-operation comfort: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/302971_734013189769_24800824_37561354_2000990890_n.jpg
16:48 jcamins         s/already/all ready/
16:56 libsysguy       in Auth.pm I see a line that says "use vars qw($some_vars);"  where do those vars get set?
16:57 libsysguy       I only ask because I'm using LDAP and I was getting an error but when i tell auth to use auth_with_ldap it starts working again
16:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: Lawrence Public Library is part of NEKLS, right?
16:58 sekjal          libsysguy:  I think that was fixed in current HEAD
16:58 sekjal          some of the CAS improvements damaged LDAP connections
16:58 libsysguy       b-b-but i just rebased on that
16:58 libsysguy       :'(
16:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: If they are, tell them their "A book commits suicide every time you watch Jersey Shore" PSA is awesome.
16:59 sekjal          libsysguy:  did you pull the most recent master code before?
16:59 sekjal          this was fixed last week or so (very recent)
16:59 libsysguy       god I hope I remembered to do that
17:00 libsysguy       I checked out hourly on my dev box then merged it with origin/master
17:00 libsysguy       that should pull the most recent right?
17:05 jcamins         libsysguy: only if you did git fetch origin first.
17:05 sekjal          ^^
17:05 libsysguy       crap...
17:06 jcamins         libsysguy: but if you already resolved some of the conflicts, it won't be so painful when you merge in the rest.
17:06 jcamins         Just run git fetch origin
17:06 jcamins         And rerun the merge command.
17:08 libsysguy       always a conflict with updatedatabase *smh*
17:09 jcamins         Yeah, that's pretty much a given.
17:11 libsysguy       omg...all the comments in kohastructure :'(
17:11 libsysguy       there is no face to represent eternal sadness
17:12 libsysguy       after a merge do I have to commit or can i just consider it done?
17:12 jcamins         Run git status and see what it says.
17:13 libsysguy       lots of changes need to be committed
17:13 libsysguy       lol
17:13 libsysguy       is it just git commit -m "merged branch"
17:14 jcamins         I have no idea. I've never used merge.
17:14 libsysguy       me either :'(
17:14 jcamins         Are you sure you don't have to correct the conflict, add the file, then run something like git merge --continue?
17:18 libsysguy       jcamins hmm looks like you have to commit then do a pull
17:18 jcamins         Could be.
17:20 libsysguy       this is a mess...how does sekjal do this for the whole community
17:20 * sekjal        doesn't
17:20 sekjal          I just write and test code
17:20 sekjal          okay, sometimes there is rebasing
17:21 libsysguy       haha ohh I thought you were the merge master :p
17:21 libsysguy       is that rangi?
17:21 sekjal          libsysguy:  yes, rangi is RM for 3.6, and does all the committing to the Koha master branch
17:21 sekjal          chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch
17:22 libsysguy       poor rangi...I'm surprised he is always in such a good mood
17:22 libsysguy       I'd be angry all the time dealing with code conflicts lol
17:24 sekjal          libsysguy:  I'm going to make some green tea; would you care for an e-cup?
17:25 libsysguy       i would indeed love a cup
17:25 wizzyrea        jcamins: LPL is *in* NEKLS, but isn't part of NExpress (yet, if ever)
17:26 * libsysguy     successfully merged master and hourly
17:26 libsysguy       does that make me done for the day?
17:26 sekjal          libsysguy:  huzzah!
17:27 * chris_n       crawls out of the woodwork upon hearing his name
17:29 jcamins         wizzyrea: well, I guess you probably don't talk to them much, but if you do, great PSA. :)
17:37 * sekjal        pours libsysguy some tea
17:37 cait            oh
17:37 cait            can I have some too?
17:37 * sekjal        pours cait a cup, as well
17:38 cait            mm :)
17:38 * cait          tried to make tea a minute ago, but forgot to put the tea leaves into the tea pot before adding water
17:39 cait            long day
17:40 jcamins         I hate it when I do that.
17:40 jcamins         It's not quite as bad as when you forget to heat the water, though.
17:40 cait            hehe true
17:52 cait            ok, now it worked - green tea someone?
18:04 jcamins         By the way, was anyone able to figure out what the point of the Open Bibliography Principles is?
18:07 Brooke          kia ora
18:07 Brooke          it's doin' it again!
18:09 Brooke          if I go to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notifications_RFC
18:09 Brooke          it's taking me to edit the template for rfcs
18:09 Brooke          so I cancelled out
18:20 gmcharlt        jcamins: it's been out there for a while -- and pretty important, at least to the extent that it makes libraries think twice before automatically assigning their bibliographic data to an entity that would try to make it proprietary
18:21 wizzyrea        jcamins do you have the link to that PSA?
18:21 wizzyrea        I (shamefully) admit I haven't seen it
18:25 jcamins         wizzyrea: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.128861503649.106942.94990393649
18:25 jcamins         Third row from the bottom, second from the left.
18:26 wizzyrea        lol
18:26 wizzyrea        ty
18:28 jcamins         gmcharlt: ah. Thanks. Suddenly people have been e-mailing it to all my mailing lists, and I can't quite figure out why.
19:36 rangi           Morning
19:37 oleonard        Hi rangi
19:39 rangi           @wunder wellington nz
19:39 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on September 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
19:40 rangi           gonna be a nice day, crisp morning and now blue sky
19:44 druthb          wizzyrea++
19:44 rangi           I hope the solvent smell is gone
19:44 wizzyrea        what'd I do?
19:44 rangi           new carpet is stinky
19:44 wizzyrea        ew
19:44 wizzyrea        yes
19:44 wizzyrea        yes it is
19:45 rangi           redoing all the aircon, and carpets and stuff in the building
19:45 wizzyrea        stinky
19:45 rangi           most importantly recabling too
19:45 wizzyrea        ooooo
19:47 rangi           @later tell libsysguy merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:47 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:49 maximep         so true
19:50 gmcharlt        @quote add <rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better
19:50 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #153 added.
19:51 wizzyrea        ok that made me spit water out of my nose.
19:51 rangi           @quote random
19:51 huginn          rangi: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
19:51 wizzyrea        @quote random
19:51 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
19:52 wizzyrea        ah that's a number I should remember
19:52 * wizzyrea      loves how everyone now calls it a "quote 123 problem"
19:52 rangi           heh
19:53 jcamins         @quote get 123
19:53 huginn          jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:53 jcamins         Ah.
19:53 jcamins         Right.
19:54 cait            hehe
19:55 rangi           oh heres some cool news
19:55 rangi           the nz treasury dept is presenting on koha tomorrow
19:55 rangi           to the special library association
19:56 wizzyrea        Nice!
19:56 rangi           session sold out
19:56 wizzyrea        lol!
19:57 rangi           yeah pretty neat, the best salespeople are always happy users :)
19:58 wizzyrea        :D
20:00 cait            :)
20:03 rangi           3 games today
20:03 wizzyrea        who's playing?
20:03 andersonbd1     total newbie looking for help :-)
20:03 oleonard        Go for it andersonbd1
20:04 * wizzyrea      resists the urge to quote get 145 :)
20:04 rangi           hmm I know Georgia is, can't member the others, namibia too I think
20:04 druthb          @quote get 145
20:04 huginn          druthb: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
20:04 rangi           maybe canada
20:04 * druthb        doesn't resist.
20:04 andersonbd1     I went through all the install steps and got to the point where I go to the browser (http://ubuntu:8080) - which is the name of my machine
20:05 andersonbd1     and I got this error:
20:05 andersonbd1     Software error:
20:05 andersonbd1     Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 291.
20:05 andersonbd1     For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@ubuntu), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
20:05 rangi           what version are u installing?
20:06 rangi           3.4.4 ?
20:06 wahanui         3.4.4 is the current stable release
20:07 wizzyrea        maybe a better question
20:07 wizzyrea        where did you download it from?
20:07 andersonbd1     koha-3.04.04
20:07 rangi           cool
20:07 andersonbd1     http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
20:08 wizzyrea        :) what he said
20:08 rangi           hmm and you have no missing modules?
20:08 * rangi         hasn't bumped into this one before
20:08 andersonbd1     not sure about that - how do I know if modules are missing?
20:08 rangi           my stop bbiab
20:08 wizzyrea        well make test will usually give you a hint
20:09 andersonbd1     make test passed
20:11 wizzyrea        what version of ubuntu?
20:11 * wizzyrea      idly wonders if you are missing CGI::Session
20:12 andersonbd1     andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ uname -a
20:12 andersonbd1     Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:14 andersonbd1     I have CGI::Session (disclaimer: I am a perl/CPAN novice)... I've been using apt-get to install these modules (eg: sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-perl)
20:14 rangi           yeah apt-get is definitely the best way to do it
20:15 rangi           andersonbd1: can you try this
20:16 rangi           in your unpacked tarball
20:16 rangi           run
20:16 rangi           ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:17 wizzyrea        oo, I smell a faq there.
20:17 andersonbd1     andersonbd1@ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
20:17 andersonbd1     Module Name                                 Current Version                       Required Version         Module Required
20:17 andersonbd1     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:17 andersonbd1     Authen::CAS::Client                         0 *                                   0.05                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     Biblio::EndnoteStyle                        0 *                                   0.05                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     CGI::Session::Driver::memc                  0 *                                   0.04                     No
20:17 andersonbd1     CGI::Session::Serialize::y                  0 *                                   4.2                      Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     DBD::SQLite2                                0 *                                   0.33                     No
20:17 andersonbd1     Data::ICal                                  0 *                                   0.13                     Yes
20:17 andersonbd1     Date::ICal                                  0 *                                   1.72                     Yes
20:17 wizzyrea        so, some stuff.
20:17 andersonbd1     DateTime                                    0 *                                   0.51                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     Email::Date                                 0 *                                   1.103                    Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     Graphics::Magick                            0 *                                   1.3.05                   No
20:18 andersonbd1     HTML::Template::Pro                         0 *                                   0.69                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     HTTP::OAI                                   0 *                                   3.2                      Yes
20:18 rangi           looks like lots missing ;)
20:18 andersonbd1     Lingua::Stem::Snowball                      0 *                                   0.952                    Yes
20:18 rangi           oh btw, in future, you can use
20:18 wizzyrea        afk
20:18 andersonbd1     Locale::Currency::Format                    0 *                                   1.28                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     Locale::PO                                  0 *                                   0.17                     Yes
20:18 andersonbd1     MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCor                  0 *
20:18 andersonbd1     aha - I need to install all of those don't I?
20:18 rangi           paste.koha-community.org
20:18 rangi           if you want to paste something ;)
20:18 rangi           yep, that would be my firsl step
20:19 rangi           CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml
20:19 rangi           that is the one missing that is causing your immediate error
20:19 rangi           but you will need them all
20:20 andersonbd1     thanks much rangi.  will do that and report back.  not sure how to use that past.koha-community.org link - am I missing something obvious?
20:20 rangi           http://paste.koha-community.org/ you go here
20:20 rangi           paste into that big box
20:20 rangi           change the channel to #koha
20:20 wahanui         rangi: that doesn't look right
20:20 rangi           and hit paste it
20:20 pastebot        "rangi" at pasted "like this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35
20:24 andersonbd1     in a browser?  I don't see anything when I go there.
20:25 rangi           weird you should get a form
20:25 rangi           can others see it?
20:27 rangi           pastebin.com would work too
20:33 maximep         sure works for me
20:35 rhcl            andersonbd1: drop off the final "35" from the link above and you should see the blank form. Just this:  http://paste.koha-community.org
20:42 wizzyrea        oh and andersonbd1, on ubuntu you can get the nice name by executing lsb_release -irc
20:43 wizzyrea        or you can cat /etc/lsb-release
20:58 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5234' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8bd9b146076c9620d34a45fed41e4c069e96c32> / Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d976f3dd5e9b36784562a02da25ae04122d86>
21:07 jenkins_koha    Starting build 411 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
21:20 maximep         probably not normal that your jenkins outputs :  Devel::Cover: Can't find file "cmp_ok
21:20 maximep         mine doesn't
21:48 sekjal          night, all!
21:53 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #411: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/411/
21:53 jenkins_koha    oleonard: Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files
21:58 rangi           right
21:59 rangi           im gonna try to push some more bug 6458
21:59 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
21:59 rangi           get these tests not failing
22:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68de42d59d7070bc58f25cb13ad159d8c70aafc6> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=362b82c51d1ff4fe6506f7724e8dac7d0a24ebd0> / Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
22:37 jenkins_koha    Starting build 412 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago)
22:45 libsysguy       hey guys
22:45 libsysguy       I have a question about fines
22:45 rangi           yup
22:45 libsysguy       so it looks like fines calculate a day late?
22:46 rangi           ?
22:46 rangi           they calculate acording to your circ rules
22:46 libsysguy       well if a person is lets say 45 minutes late turning in a book
22:46 rangi           yup
22:47 libsysguy       then the chargeable_units would still be 0 right?
22:47 rangi           ?
22:47 libsysguy       because it does end_date-start_date
22:47 rangi           are you talking hourly loans, or normal koha
22:47 libsysguy       well they both run on the same code in this case
22:48 libsysguy       but normal koha for the example im trying to fix
22:48 libsysguy       basically we had a prof turn in a book the day after it was due
22:48 rangi           for normal koha, the minimum period for a book to be overdue is 1
22:48 libsysguy       Koha said the item was overdue
22:48 rangi           day
22:48 libsysguy       but didn't assess a fine
22:48 rangi           for fines, because thats the minimum period you can define for the fine to be applied
22:49 rangi           and it only works it out, when the cron job runs
22:49 libsysguy       right so the cron run every 30 minutes
22:49 rangi           so if someone has returned it before the cron job runs, then it wont get a fine
22:50 rangi           right so for normal koha, it only gets a fine if its returned on a day other than the day it was due
22:50 rangi           times dont matter
22:50 rangi           only the day
22:50 libsysguy       so the day after it was due there should be a fine...right
22:50 rangi           depends what your circ rules say
22:50 libsysguy       I;m thinking time shouldn't come into play here since its still running at night
22:51 libsysguy       well the interval is set to one
22:51 libsysguy       so yes I would assume it would
22:51 rangi           whats the grace period set to
22:51 libsysguy       0
22:51 rangi           then yes after 1 day overdue, it should apply a fine
22:51 libsysguy       but (going by what my circulation librarian told me) the patron turned the item in the day after it was due with no charge
22:52 libsysguy       odd...
22:52 rangi           well you can check it in the db, it will log the returndate
22:52 libsysguy       btw i understand your frustration with SVN...Coral uses it still :'(
22:52 libsysguy       what table?
22:52 rangi           old_issues
22:52 rangi           that has all the returned itesm
22:53 rangi           and/or statistics
22:53 rangi           select * from statistics where itemnumber= whatever and type='return';
22:54 rangi           that has a nice datetime stamp on it, so will tell you exactly when it was returned
22:54 libsysguy       gotcha
22:54 libsysguy       ok I'll investigate further...it may be that the librarian is crazy ;)
22:55 eythian         often the way ;)
22:56 libsysguy       oh trust me I know
22:56 eythian         jcamins: you can, yep
23:02 libsysguy       ok so the due date was 2011-09-12 23:59:00 and the return date was 2011-09-13 13:38:58
23:03 libsysguy       so based on normal koha would you say fine or no fine
23:03 rangi           you are sure the fines cron job runs every 30 mins?
23:03 rangi           (on normal koha we just run it once a day)
23:03 rangi           round 6am
23:03 libsysguy       30  * * * *  $KOHA_CRON_PATH/fines.pl
23:04 libsysguy       is what I have in my crontab
23:04 rangi           id have expected, that one would go on at 00:30 on the 13th then
23:04 rangi           given the appropriate circ rules being set
23:04 rangi           look in /tmp
23:04 libsysguy       that is what I would have expected as well
23:05 rangi           there should be some .log files
23:05 rangi           probably running it every 30 mins makes them less useful tho
23:05 libsysguy       heh
23:05 libsysguy       look at the ones for the 13th?
23:06 rangi           yeah
23:06 libsysguy       oh man...so should I look for anything in particular
23:06 libsysguy       just the patron
23:06 rangi           yeah
23:07 rangi           its a tab sep file
23:07 libsysguy       yeah i see the patron
23:07 rangi           you can open it libreoffice or gnumeric it makes its easier to read
23:07 rangi           anything in the fines column?
23:07 libsysguy       but no fine at the end...it just says 0
23:07 rangi           right
23:07 rangi           one thing to check
23:07 rangi           in sysprefs
23:07 libsysguy       but the days overdue also says 0
23:08 rangi           right, that would be why it didnt do it then
23:08 libsysguy       what is sysprefs?
23:08 rangi           other fines are going on eh?
23:09 libsysguy       I believe so
23:09 rangi           but if its saying 0 days overdue, then yeah its not gonna charge anything
23:09 libsysguy       I tested fines for hourly
23:09 rangi           what does it say for date_due
23:09 libsysguy       and it was working (or so I thought
23:09 libsysguy       the 12th
23:09 libsysguy       same as the db
23:10 rangi           its the 14th here today
23:10 rangi           and i see things like
23:10 rangi           Library Assistant               10398   141155  2011-09-13              1
23:10 rangi           so its picking it as 1 day overdue
23:11 rangi           my guess its it somethign to do with circ rules
23:11 libsysguy       hmm
23:12 rangi           or the changes to do with hourly
23:12 libsysguy       this is what I have  712830  0000002027266   2011-09-12 23:59:00             0       0
23:12 rangi           yeah see in normal koha, there is no time, just date
23:12 libsysguy       well there are only about 3 lines in the fines script that changed for hourly
23:12 libsysguy       but...maybe
23:12 libsysguy       I can try merging...but not till this weekend
23:12 rangi           and thats the file for the 13th eh?
23:13 libsysguy       yes it is
23:13 rangi           interesting i see nothin that have 0 for days overdue
23:14 libsysguy       I found that odd as well
23:14 libsysguy       that it saw it as overdue but didn't put a number in for it
23:14 rangi           (3505 lines for this mornings run)
23:14 rangi           yeah
23:14 rangi           so i suspect the code that is calculating how overdue something is
23:14 rangi           that is the problem
23:15 rangi           lemme check it out
23:15 rangi           ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next;
23:15 rangi           its getting past that, so thats good
23:16 libsysguy       ok...in the mean time I have dinner planned with my Swede...ill be back on later if you're still around?
23:16 rangi           CalcFine
23:16 rangi           $overdueItemsCounted++;
23:16 rangi           my ($amount,$type,$daycounttotal,$daycount)=
23:16 rangi           CalcFine($data->[$i]
23:17 rangi           that sets the amount, and how overdue
23:17 rangi           ill investigate what changed for 5549
23:17 rangi           yep ill be here
23:17 libsysguy       oh oh
23:17 libsysguy       i have this
23:17 libsysguy       my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} );
23:17 libsysguy       if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) {
23:17 libsysguy       next;    # not overdue
23:17 libsysguy       }
23:17 libsysguy       ++$counted;
23:17 libsysguy       my ( $amount, $type, $daycounttotal ) =
23:17 libsysguy       CalcFine( $overdue, $borrower->{categorycode},
23:17 libsysguy       $branchcode, $datedue, $today );
23:17 libsysguy       oops...should have used pastebin...my bad
23:18 rangi           yeah thats diff
23:18 rangi           in master its
23:18 rangi           ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; # or it's not overdue, right?
23:18 libsysguy       hmm...ok ill focus on that when i get back
23:18 rangi           but i dont think thats the problem
23:18 rangi           i think its CalcFine itself
23:18 libsysguy       gotta run...sorry rangi...gf is complaining about being hungry :'(
23:18 rangi           thats change
23:18 libsysguy       ok
23:19 rangi           cya later
23:21 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/412/
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * katrin.fischer: Fix for Bug 6458 Follow-up for memberentrygen.tt
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / patron-attr-types
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / clone-rules
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / branches
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:21 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:22 rangi           yes the entire CalcFine sub has changed
23:23 rangi           try  git show 5c7c3377 when you get back
23:34 rangi           my $days_minus_grace = $chargeable_units - $data->{firstremind}; if ($data->{'chargeperiod'}  && $days_minus_grace  ) {
23:35 rangi           i suspect $days_minus_grace is becoming 0
23:35 rangi           return ($amount, $data->{chargename}, $days_minus_grace);
23:35 rangi           that should give you enough to go on