Time Nick Message 00:04 lastnode doh 00:05 lastnode i had to hit the sack in the middle of the meeting 00:05 lastnode are there logs? 00:05 eythian what was not the right button 00:05 eythian wahanui: logs? 00:05 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 00:05 eythian ^-- there 00:05 melia log for today's meeting is here, starting at 18:00: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-09-07#i_758460 00:06 eythian lastnode: melia is also an infobot ;) 00:06 melia I already answered that question for someone else once today :) 00:06 eythian heh 00:06 lastnode there must be some way ou tof here, said teh joker to the theif 00:08 lastnode eythian: im going to look into them man pages this weekend 00:09 eythian awesome :) 00:10 lastnode i mean im noob at man paegs so i won tpromise anything, but ill certainly have a look 00:10 lastnode aer you going to be at kohaconf, eythian? 00:11 eythian lastnode: I learnt from a book. 00:11 eythian Will look up what it is 00:11 lastnode sorry 00:11 lastnode kohacon, eythian! 00:11 lastnode my bad 00:11 eythian https://market.android.com/details?id=com.aldiko.android.oreilly.classicshellscripting <-- I bought this, it has a chapter on man pages 00:11 eythian I am going to kohacon 00:12 eythian but not immediately, first I'm going to lunch 00:12 lastnode haha 01:33 rangi hi Irma 01:38 glernil good day! 01:38 rangi hi glernil 01:38 glernil anyone know what is "INTRAPORT" portion in the koha-sites.conf for? 01:39 rangi you running the packages? 01:39 glernil yup 01:39 rangi the port you want to run the staff side on 01:39 rangi we usually do 80 for both, cos do name based virtualhosting, but if you cant/dont want to, you can put whatever port you want in there 01:41 glernil ahm. i see... so if i will not broadcast my installation publicly is it just ok to leave the domain name blank and intraport to 80? 01:42 glernil or 8080? 01:42 glernil when you say virtual hosting it is something about the configuration file of apache right? 01:43 rangi yes 01:44 glernil what about the intraprefix and intrasuffix? 01:44 rangi pick one and set it 01:44 rangi its so you can have 01:44 rangi koha-admin 01:44 rangi or admin-koha 01:45 rangi or whatever you desire for your staff side 01:47 glernil so if i added intraprefix koha-admin, when i want to login in the staff interface the address will be 01:47 glernil domain_name:koha-admin8080? 01:47 rangi no 01:48 rangi it would be koha-admin.sitename.domainname:8080 01:48 rangi so if when you do koha-create you do 01:48 rangi koha-create foo 01:48 rangi it would be 01:48 rangi koha-admin.foo.domainame:8080 01:49 glernil Got it. Thank you. 01:49 rangi or somethign similair 01:52 jenkins_koha Starting build 406 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 20 j ago) 01:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6687 - allow people to be moved in the holds queue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99056625b635f6f9557f9b53797bdc31cca226d8> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6256' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=073083ea5f76591e2ced0755b1631e8b6ddd9a35> / 6256 Follow up fixing typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f 02:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #406: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/406/ 02:36 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 6256 Follow up fixing typo 02:36 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6687 - allow people to be moved in the holds queue 02:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6687 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , cannot move people in the holds queue 04:09 eythian the 'Patrons with the most Checkouts' code is the most confusing thing I've ever read. 04:39 mtj eythian: what file in the repo ? 04:39 * mtj curious 04:40 mtj jeez, ive hit a stupid situation handling tricky chars in a $tring, in jscript... 04:41 * Oak waves 04:41 mtj .. the only way around my problem was to find a web-tool to escape my string 04:41 mtj http://www.htmlescape.net/stringescape_tool.html 04:42 mtj and then assign that escaped string to a var 04:42 mtj basically, theres no JS equiv of perl's... 04:43 mtj my str = qq | <>''s'ad'sad'sa''''ee'3e'3'r'''!'''><<>|; 04:44 eythian mtj: reports/bor_issues_top.pl 04:44 mtj so i couldnt even assign my unescaped string to a var - without manually escaping every special char?!? 04:46 eythian you're inserting a string into the JS via a template? 04:48 mtj no, a simple s/r via some jquery 04:49 mtj like this... 04:50 mtj var s = "Don't have a password yet? Contact the librarian by email<a href="mailto:moo@foo.com">moo@foo.com</a> to arrange one to be set up"; 04:50 mtj $("#opac-auth p").html('s'); 04:51 mtj js explodes trying to assign that string to $s :/ 04:51 eythian that would be fine, however you should either use ' ' for the href, or put a \" there 04:52 mtj ah, ok i missed those " chars in that example 04:53 eythian if it's the < upsetting things, then the javascript should be wrapped in a CDATA block 04:54 mtj what i really wanted was a 'qq' 04:54 mtj var s = qq|Don't have a password yet Contact the librarian by email<a href="mailto:moo@foo.com">moo@foo.com</a> to arrange one to be set up|; 04:54 mtj ok , thanks for the CDATA tip, i never understood it 04:56 mtj it still seems the most fail-safe way to handle tricky strings is to transform them via a web-tool :/ 04:56 mtj like this one? 04:56 mtj http://www.htmlescape.net/stringescape_tool.html 04:57 eythian No, I'd say a CDATA block 04:57 eythian it's because there's multiple levels of parsing going on 04:57 eythian i.e. you're upsetting the HTML parsing. 04:58 mtj ok, i gotta read up on that 04:58 eythian the only thing that'll mess up CDATA processing is having ]]> in your string. 05:00 mtj ah, looks like you are spot-on again :) 05:00 mtj cdata is what i'm looking for 05:00 eythian really, I think Koha should take care of wrapping it in a CDATA 05:00 mtj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDATA 05:04 mtj Koha does seem to be doing that correctly in the doc-head block, i was testing my code just after that block, directly in the template 05:04 mtj so - my bad... but i learned something for next time :) 05:04 eythian ah right :) 05:11 mtj hey, i recall bumping into the bor_issues_top.pl script too, years ago 05:12 mtj it blew my mind! 05:21 eythian yeah, it's pretty mad 05:22 eythian It may need a rewrite at some stage, it appears to be providing incorrect results. 05:22 cait morning #koha 05:22 eythian hi cait 05:22 cait what is mad? 05:22 eythian reports/bor_issues_top.pl 05:22 cait ah 05:23 cait those reports are all a bit weird :( 05:23 cait I fixed one but don't trust them really 05:23 eythian yeah. 05:28 eythian So, the latest version of schemaSpy is pretty darn good and we should start making use of it. 05:28 eythian It gives you an interactive view of the database structure. 05:28 eythian Especially useful for people making reports. 05:33 rangi hello from the bus 06:12 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:15 magnuse @wunder valletta 06:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Luqa, Malta is 23.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on September 08, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 06:15 magnuse @wunder boo 06:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 11.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on September 08, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.25 in 990 hPa (Rising). 06:15 rangi hi magnuse 06:16 magnuse hiya rangi! 06:19 cait hi magnuse! 06:19 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:19 cait how was your vacation? :) 06:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on September 08, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 06:19 magnuse very nice! 06:19 magnuse and very, very hot 06:19 magnuse ~32C - too hot to do much else than lie by the pool... ;-) 06:21 eythian how terrible :) 06:21 magnuse aye! 06:22 magnuse we did do what we went there to do: see two paintings by Caravaggio, but not a lot else (apartfrom eating very good food!) 06:27 alex_a1 hello 06:27 rangi heya alex_a1 06:28 alex_a hi rangi 06:28 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:28 alex_a bonjour magnuse :) 06:32 lastnode hi friends 06:37 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6488] opachiddenitems not working in master <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488> 06:39 * cait waves 06:44 reiveune hello 06:57 magnuse kia ora paul_p 06:57 paul_p hello magnuse & all 06:59 * magnuse is happy to see the simplified sysprefs making it into koha! 07:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6857] Show a warning if placing a reserve will incur a cost <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6857> 07:01 rangi yep nice work magnuse 07:02 rangi i paul_p and lastnode and reiveune 07:02 magnuse thanks rangi 07:02 reiveune hi rangi 07:02 magnuse hopefully it will save us some time and frustration in the long run... 07:03 paul_p hello rangi. All blacks are ready ? Are you ready for the WRC too ? Beers in the fridge, cookies in the oven,... ? 07:03 rangi heh yep 07:03 rangi 24 hours to go 07:05 paul_p yes. and 48 for frenchies. The match will be at 8AM for us. 07:05 rangi thats pretty good time 07:06 paul_p yep. Also note our 1st son (16) has decided to play ... rugby this year. So he will wake up (with his best friend, that also play rugby and will be at our home this we) at 7:30 to watch the match ! 07:06 paul_p incredible for a 16 teenager : saturday and wake up at 7:30 ! 07:08 rangi hehe that is pretty incredible :) 07:08 rangi kahu has played a couple of games of ripper rugby this year 07:09 rangi http://www.ehow.com/way_5188010_ripper-rugby-rules.html 07:13 magnuse rumour has it koha deployment in ethiopia is one of the case studies in this phd dissertation: Nigussie Tadesse Mengesha: �Revisiting Networking of Actions and Knowledge Transfer:An Outline of Practice and Community Based Distributed Approach For Open Source Information Systems Implementation in Developing Countries. Cases from Ethiopia� http://www.mn.uio.no/ifi/forskning/aktuelt/arrangementer/disputaser/2011/nigussie.html 07:14 rangi oh interesting 07:14 wahanui interesting is good 07:14 rangi you'll have to read it and tell me :) 07:15 magnuse rangi: i'll see what i can do ;-) 07:17 rangi hi hdl 07:18 magnuse thanks to this project: http://julap.b.uib.no/ koha has also been present in South Sudan from (before) day 1! (i really should ask someone to write a tiny piece about that for the newsletter...) 07:19 rangi definitely ! 07:19 magnuse there's a long writeup of the project here: http://julap.b.uib.no/synopsis/ 07:25 zipporah Do we have 3.4.4 in Livecd? 07:26 hdl hi rangi 07:33 rangi zipporah: not that i know of 07:33 rangi hi sophie_m 07:33 sophie_m hi rangi 07:47 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6807] Add ISBN filter to advanced order search <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6807> / [Bug 6811] Send renewal notice <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6811> / [Bug 6783] Circulation restrictions dont work when other withdrawn reasons are used <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6783> 07:49 lastnode rangi: when koha installs on debian koha-start-zebra is not executed 07:49 lastnode is that intentional? 07:49 rangi yes 07:49 lastnode ok 07:50 eythian lastnode: there's nothing to start on a fresh install 07:50 eythian so it starts it after running koha-create 07:50 lastnode after koha-create though 07:50 lastnode and long after we started entering darta yesterday 07:50 lastnode *data 07:50 lastnode it was not being indexed, so i went back adn executed koha-start-zebra 07:51 lastnode did i foobar, or is that intended behaviour? 07:51 eythian I've seen that happen once or twice, but never been able to reproduce it. 07:51 eythian basically, it should kick it going after koha-create 07:51 eythian are you on ubuntu or debian? 07:51 lastnode debian4life 07:52 eythian cool, there's a bug on ubuntu (and debian unstable) that I can't remember if it's been fixed yet 07:52 eythian but you're not seeing that if you're on squeeze 07:52 lastnode ok 07:52 * eythian -> home 07:52 lastnode yeah imon squeeze. was just wondering if koha-start-zebra has to be added to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 07:52 lastnode but i guessnot 07:53 zipporah May I also find out how to include Zebra after leaving it out in the initial installation of Koha 3.2 using livecd? 07:56 zipporah I am new to Koha. Is there too much to loose without zebra component in running Koha 3.2 effectively? 07:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6761] Longer userid field <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6761> 07:59 magnuse zipporah: zebra is recommended and the NoZebra option will probably be removed some time in the future 08:21 lastnode zebras are cool 08:22 magnuse they sure are 08:28 kf hi #koha 08:29 magnuse guten tag kf 08:31 kf god dag magnuse 08:38 zipporah magnuse, so how do I get zebra into koha now? 08:39 magnuse zipporah: i have never done it, but at least you need to change the NoZebra setting, then run the rebuild_zebra.pl script 08:40 lastnode zipporah: im not an expert, but pricely because of that, whatid do is export my db, reinstall and impor tit 08:41 * lastnode doesnt know if magnuse will approve 08:42 zipporah magnuse: I need to research more on this then as I need a step-by-step approach to achieve this. 08:42 rangi lastnode: that wont actually achieve turning zebra on 08:42 rangi what magnuse said is the way to do it 08:43 rangi switch the sys pref 08:43 rangi do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r 08:43 rangi then set up the cron job 08:44 magnuse zipporah: if you are on debian you need to look at "chapter" 6 of INSTALL.debian: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian;hb=HEAD 08:46 zipporah Friends send an email like in a tutorial form so that I can even print it off and study it carefully before starting the process. I am on chisangaz@gmail.com. Kind regards. 08:47 zipporah I used Livecd Koha 3.2. I think it comes with Ubuntu 10.10. 08:48 kf_away zipporah: rangi told you what needs to be done 08:48 kf_away writing up a tutorial takes time and I am sure this has also been discussed on the mailnig list 08:51 lastnode rangi: what i meant was, reinsatll from packages then just isntall with zebra and do koha-start-zebra 08:51 lastnode sorry if i wasnt clear! 08:52 rangi ah yeah, packages ftw :) 08:52 zipporah rangi or magnuse: how do I change NoZebra stting? Which parameter to touch? 08:52 kf_away it's a system preference under adminsitration 08:53 zipporah kt_away: thanks. I'll get at it now. 09:28 lastnode rangi: kf_away do you guys think a FAQish guide for getting a server ready for a koha install wouldbe useful? i kind of did it by patchingthings together fromhere and there these days, and with lots of help fromthis channel of course. but from stuff like setting up mysql to configuring iptables, do you think a guide of this nature would be useful for new users? 09:34 rangi i suspect there are probably a lot of guides for preparing a server to be a web application server, maybe finding one and linking to it is good 09:34 magnuse lastnode: more documentation is always welcome, i'd say. feel like writing it? putting it on the wiki might be a good start... 09:35 magnuse rangi++ 09:35 lastnode yeah, i dont want to reinvent the wheel or anything. there were just a couple of koha specific things i did that werent in the guides i follwed 09:36 lastnode let me look at it again and come back with a better pitch! 09:36 rangi i think the only specific thing would be to do with zebra 09:36 rangi mysql, apache etc are all pretty stock standard 09:38 * lastnode nods 09:38 lastnode i was thinking more like, setting up cron to koha-dump 09:39 lastnode rsyncing for backup 09:39 lastnode stuff like that 09:39 lastnode stuff that a good sysadmin woudl obviously do anyway, but stuff that ive just learnt over the past few weeks. 09:39 lastnode do i get points for 3 "stuff" in a row? 09:40 magnuse sure! ;-) 10:39 axknax hallo! :-D 10:39 kf_away say hi all to my coworker :) 10:40 magnuse guten tag axknax! 10:40 magnuse and welcome to the family ;-) 10:41 kf_away :) 10:41 axknax I'm a collegue of katrin here in Constance 10:41 magnuse axknax: lucky you! ;-) 10:42 magnuse working on koha? 10:42 axknax @wunder konstanz 10:42 huginn axknax: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.4�C (12:38 PM CEST on September 08, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 10:42 magnuse @wunder boo 10:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on September 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 10:44 * jcamins_away yawns, and waves. 10:44 axknax I try to assist her 10:44 magnuse good morning jcamins 10:45 magnuse axknax: lucky kf ;-) 10:46 rangi hi axknax 10:47 magnuse axknax: been working with kf long? 10:48 axknax since 2007, but with Koha since two years 10:48 magnuse cool 10:51 kf_away and a lot longer with horizon :) 10:51 magnuse but that's no fun, right? ;-) 10:54 kf_away it's different 10:54 axknax it has been a hard job with horizon, fortunately we have now only 20 horizon installations, it is nice to work with koha, easy to use and most times it does the thing we expect from it 10:56 magnuse yay, that's great to hear axknax 10:56 magnuse would you mind telling it to the librarians in norway too? ;-) 11:00 kf_away hehe 11:00 magnuse hope we will be seeing you around axknax - i'm off to find some lunch, bbl 11:00 kf_away once we are done with germany we can continue in norway ;) 11:02 axknax it is a long story - we have a specific german version of horizon, with special german features, but these functions causes several problems and the german functions were never integrated into the main developement - the concept of the open source developement philosophy is much better because of the wider community and transparecy 11:07 kf_away and before he runs out axknax++ 11:13 magnuse axknax++ 11:13 magnuse @karma axknax 11:13 huginn magnuse: Karma for "axknax" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 11:13 magnuse yay! 11:20 hdl kf_away: what have you been up to with RFID and 3M ? 11:21 kf hdl: because of the bugs? 11:27 kf hdl? 11:27 wahanui i guess hdl is sure that Croswalking records in zebra is also ram demanding. 11:36 Brooke howdy y'all 11:38 magnuse kia ora Brooke 11:39 Brooke :) 11:39 hdl wahanui: forget hdl 11:39 wahanui hdl: I forgot hdl 11:54 Brooke hey hey nengard 11:54 nengard Hi Hi Brooke 11:54 * Brooke tries to look like Beau. 11:54 Brooke Are you going to do the survey? 11:55 Brooke and if you aren't, can I have the keys to the car so that I can do it? 11:57 nengard I'm confused 11:57 nengard what survey? 11:57 Brooke KohaCon2012 vote. 11:57 nengard oh 11:57 Brooke should basically say 11:57 nengard yeah sure i can do that 11:57 Brooke Yo! 11:57 Brooke Homie! 11:57 Brooke You want this in the UK? 11:57 Brooke No? 11:58 Brooke How bout Reno? 11:58 Brooke ta da 11:58 Brooke hooray! 11:58 Brooke thanks babe 11:58 Brooke nengard++ 11:58 Agent_Dani Morning! 11:58 nengard when do we need that by? 11:58 Brooke Mornin' sug 11:58 Brooke uhhh 11:58 nengard I should do it today since Monday I'm out of commission 11:58 * Brooke looks innocent. 11:58 Brooke woot 11:58 Brooke I like that answer :D 11:58 Brooke not the out of commission part 12:13 Brooke hey oleonard and irms 12:15 Brooke ta owen 12:22 Brooke freggin' dc. I am caught between jorbs that require 40 years of experience in interface design, or unpaid internships. 12:23 oleonard At the moment I'm agreeing with Marcel that Solr integration is the definition of 4.0, but I'm concerned that that doesn't market well. Do we need to worry about marketing well? 12:23 * Brooke sighs. 12:23 Brooke I think 12:23 Brooke that we need to be very careful to separate emotions from objectives 12:24 Brooke and I also think that in doing so, we need to be touchy feely and sort out causes for emotions. 12:24 Brooke there shouldn't be any reason that we can't have both solR and zebra 12:24 magnuse *nods* 12:25 oleonard Is anyone arguing that we should have to choose? I'm not. 12:26 oleonard But I am arguing that we should limit what's on our plate for a 4.0 release. 12:28 Brooke normally I'd agree with the last part 12:28 Brooke but I think for the first release in a series 12:28 Brooke it should be what we dream 12:28 Brooke we haven't done a real dreamy release in a while 12:28 oleonard So you do believe we should worry about marketing well. 12:32 Brooke yessir 12:33 Brooke I am quite concerned that we don't give a fig in that department, and that it might cost us 12:33 Brooke that said marketing should never be more than the fruits of the labour 12:33 Brooke and we didn't get into this boat to lie; we'd be proprietary 12:34 Brooke but for lack of a better phrase 12:34 Brooke being nice won't kill us 12:34 Brooke nor will planning things out 12:38 drakmor hey, I'm running koha 3.04.02.000, and I'm getting a bug where the patron card number field doesn't automatically fill in even though I have autoMemberNum set to "do". Any fix for this? 12:45 kf_away drakmor: I am not aware of a bug ith this feature - perhaps check bugzilla for a bug report 12:50 kf_away jcamins_away: around? 12:51 drakmor @kf_away no bugs on the tracker :/ 12:51 huginn drakmor: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 12:51 drakmor RDA? 12:51 wahanui RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards 12:51 kf_away wahanui is our chatbot, he reacted to your use of @ 12:51 kf_away bugzilla? 12:51 wahanui i heard bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 12:51 drakmor ah 12:51 drakmor yeah, thats the one I checked 12:51 drakmor nothing there when I searched "autoMemberNum" 12:51 kf_away you can try the mailing list next or file a bug report 12:52 drakmor okay 12:52 drakmor hopefully the next update fixed this.... 12:52 drakmor that and the fact the patron import tool makes duplicate entries when I tell it to merge.... 12:52 kf_away oh 12:52 kf_away it shouldn't do that 12:52 drakmor I might have done it wrong 12:52 kf_away on what are you matching? 12:53 drakmor let me check 12:53 drakmor I'm pretty new to this so it's probably me 12:53 drakmor the only field it lets me match is cardnumber 12:53 drakmor can I use name or something else? 12:53 * kf_away nods 12:53 kf_away no, you can't use name 12:53 kf_away what you can do is use extended attributes that are marked as unique 12:54 kf_away administration > extended patron attributes 12:54 drakmor thanks 12:54 kf_away it's a way to configure more fields 12:54 drakmor okay, I'll take a look 12:54 kf_away I use it to add student id and use that for matching 12:54 drakmor thats exactly what I need 12:54 kf_away once you have the field defined as unique it will show up in the patron import 12:54 kf_away for matching 12:54 drakmor okay 12:55 kf_away we use 3.2.2 right now and the matchign works there 12:55 kf_away but I haven't tested it on our 3.4.4 installation yet - I made a note to do so 12:55 drakmor yeah, thats the issue then 12:55 drakmor I didn't notice that thing and didn't enter any card number on the patrons that already had numbers 12:55 kf_away ah 12:55 kf_away ok 12:56 drakmor yup 12:56 kf_away better than a bug :) 12:57 drakmor haha, that's for sure 12:57 drakmor another thing I'm probably doing something stupid with is the barcode printer 12:58 drakmor whenever I make one of the pdf's, the barcodes are shifted to one side.... 12:58 drakmor does that work for you? 12:58 kf_away sorry, we don't use that feature 12:58 drakmor okay, thanks 13:00 drakmor there's a few other bugs about autoMemberNum not working, but they're all from 3 or 4 years ago. Can I make a new one? 13:00 Brooke barcodes are cheap 13:00 Brooke very 13:00 Brooke very 13:00 Brooke cheap 13:01 drakmor yeah, we're just buying them at this point. I was just wondering 13:02 kf_away drakmor: you have to register first, but all it needs is an email address - after that you can file bugs. Make sure you give your version and how to reproduce 13:02 oleonard drakmor: You can always file a new bug if your issue doesn't seem to match existing ones. 13:02 kf_away drakmor: you can upload screenshots or write down your settings 13:02 drakmor okay 13:03 drakmor should I upload all my settings? I have no idea what might be causing this, since there's only this one setting that should affect it afaik 13:04 kf_away drakmor: I think mention that you have set automembernum 13:04 drakmor okay 13:06 drakmor okay, bug submitted. hopefully I did it right... 13:07 drakmor thanks for the help! 13:22 Brooke http://opensource.com/life/11/8/research-reveals-value-gender-diversity-open-source-communities 13:22 chris_n wizzyrea++ 13:34 Brooke 0/ 13:35 rhcl oi 13:37 rhcl "Researchers and community members have proposed reasons that keep women out of open source, but overlooked are social reasons" 13:38 kf_away hm? 13:38 Brooke can't wait til she properly publishes 13:38 Brooke just hope it's not behind a wall at like emerald or summat 13:39 kf_away I thin it's already published in a repository 13:39 kf_away or what do you mean by properly? 13:39 kf_away if we are talking about the same thing :) 13:39 Brooke I mean to my knowledge she was doing 2 things 13:40 Brooke a project for school 13:40 Brooke that needed doin asap 13:40 kf_away oh, I missed the link, ignore me 13:40 Brooke and a better study type thing that she'd take her time on and put out later 13:40 kf_away was thinking about something else 13:41 rhcl Brooke: with the topic, do you mean, of women in open source? 13:42 Brooke can a brotha get a rephrase? 13:42 Brooke if you mean the topic of the study type thing then yes 13:43 rhcl "and a better study type thing that she'd take her time on and put out later" <-> do you mean, of women in open source? 13:43 Brooke I should prolly shuddup before I misconstrue what she's doin 13:43 Brooke but um I think that what she's doing is cool and will be important 13:43 Brooke yes 13:43 Brooke yes rhcl definitely 13:43 rhcl ic 13:44 Brooke but her call for interviewees came like right after I did my initial draft for the same area of a survey I'm trying to block out right now 13:44 Brooke and I was like "Dude!" 13:44 Brooke then I was like "Hey! Can I help, cause we're doing something similarish." 13:45 Brooke then I was like "Well fine, if I do my crap anyway, are you gonna get touchy?" 13:46 * Agent_Dani finds Sarah to be an interesting person but, obviously, had different interactions. 13:47 wizzyrea rhcl that's definitely interesting 13:49 rhcl yea, secretly I'm trying to formulate some grand unifying theory (a la Einstein) about the differences I've observed in M-F gender differences in all things computer tech. 13:52 Brooke why be secret about it :P 13:52 Brooke that's the sort of plotting that is best out in the open :) 13:53 rhcl To avoid persecution. 13:55 wizzyrea heh 13:55 Brooke yes 13:55 Brooke it would be terrible to be surrounded by angry, beautiful, intelligent women 13:55 Brooke fate worse than death I tells ye 13:56 Agent_Dani Not the comfy chair! 13:57 Brooke agent_dani++ 14:00 trea dun dun DUNNNN! 14:00 * kf_away hides 14:00 kf_away oh nice, bug 6831 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P5, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records 14:00 kf_away I was talking about that to eythian yesterday 14:00 kf_away and now it's there 14:04 wizzyrea jeje 14:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6831] Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831> 14:04 kf_away wizzyrea: ? 14:05 wizzyrea um... i'm behind, I was giggling at the varying responses to being surrounded by angry beautiful women 14:05 Brooke don't forget the intelligent part 14:05 Brooke it's a dependency 14:05 wizzyrea yes sorry, angry intelligent beautiful women 14:06 wizzyrea keke 14:08 * Agent_Dani knows where wizzyrea's mind is. Good choice. 14:09 wizzyrea hi irma :) 14:09 lastnode is tehre an easy log of when a book was added 14:10 lastnode a record/item was added i mean 14:10 Irma Hi wizzyrea ... it's late for me ... thought I was going off to sleep but remembered I needed to send an email to MJ 14:10 Irma How are you? 14:10 wizzyrea i'm well, and you? 14:11 Irma so looking forward to KohaCon but for the moment run off my feet as there is much happening 14:12 Irma and I have a broken arm :-( 14:12 Irma cast is hopefully coming off in 3 weeks 14:12 wizzyrea oy! 14:13 wizzyrea sorry to hear about your arm, that is never fun 14:13 wizzyrea lastnode: you can look at the acquisition date in the record, or look at the modification log 14:13 wizzyrea for the bib 14:14 wizzyrea acq date is going to be under the items tab 14:14 wizzyrea as "accession date" 14:14 lastnode thanks wizzyrea 14:14 lastnode #koha, why you use awesome? 14:14 lastnode wizzyrea++ 14:15 wizzyrea I made an assumption, that you wanted to know when the *item* was added, as when you added the bib is (usually) less important. :) 14:15 wizzyrea aw 14:15 wizzyrea just helping :) 14:18 rhcl wizzyrea: is you guys thinking at all about purchasing a ".xxx" domain? Some here in Missouri are suggesting it should be considered. Like you might buy "nelks.xxx" or we might buy rhcl.xxx to prevent those from being registered. 14:19 wizzyrea truthfully I hadn't considered it 14:19 * wizzyrea tries to imagine what nekls .xxx content would look like... shudders 14:19 lastnode haha 14:19 lastnode way to go ICANNN 14:20 lastnode wizzyrea: is theresomeway i can see which user account added a certain item/record? 14:21 wizzyrea if you have logging on, you can see the borrowernumber of the person who added an item, yes 14:21 wizzyrea by twiddling knobs under the modification log tab 14:22 lastnode logging on? 14:23 lastnode but yeahm found it 14:23 trea logging enabled 14:24 lastnode tehre is a column called librarian which shows who added it 14:24 lastnode the number of the user. thanks! 14:25 wizzyrea mhm, it should be clickable :) 14:26 trea anybody on that feels like looking at a sql query 14:27 kf_away :) 14:27 kf_away trea: yep 14:27 trea http://pastebin.com/KtrJGwba 14:28 kf_away this looks familiar 14:28 wizzyrea *nod* we're working on similar things 14:28 trea trying to figure out why it's not finishing 14:28 kf_away hm 14:28 kf_away test database 14:28 wizzyrea (mine never finished either) 14:29 wizzyrea we really need some test data with fines. Hrmph. 14:30 trea i've imported a local db with fines; it just ran literally all night and never completed. 14:32 kf_away hm it finishes for me 14:32 kf_away 0 results though 14:32 wizzyrea well you probably don't have those particular category codes 14:33 wizzyrea or fines over 60 days old? 14:34 kf_away wizzyrea: you are so right 14:34 kf_away it still finishes, but I don't meet the other criteria 14:34 kf_away a bit scared to try a real database 14:35 trea understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy 14:36 kf_away hm 14:37 kf_away it's fast on my other database 14:37 kf_away but I doubt it's right 14:37 kf_away reporting 44.00 euro due for every user 14:37 trea hmmm 14:38 trea that is definitely over $24.99 14:38 trea :D 14:38 kf_away your format sum 14:38 kf_away I think it's summing up the whole table 14:38 kf_away not the entry for the borrower 14:40 kf_away hm 14:40 kf_away also I wonder 14:40 kf_away you don#t linke the accountlines and borrowers table together? 14:41 wizzyrea something like from borrowers join accountlines using(borrowernumber( 14:41 wizzyrea with correct parens of course 14:43 aarkerio hi! I the search options what means "Call number" ? 14:44 wizzyrea call number 14:44 wizzyrea n. 14:44 wahanui it has been said that call number is in the location 14:44 wizzyrea A number used in libraries to classify a book and indicate its location on the shelves. 14:44 wizzyrea so if you happen to know what a call number for a book is 14:44 wizzyrea you can search on that 14:47 kf_away wizzyrea: I think you need to ads someting link borrower.borrowernumber = accountlines.borrowernumber 14:48 kf_away when you use the syntax like it is now 14:50 aarkerio mmm, great, thx! 14:51 wizzyrea ah 15:07 wizzyrea hi miguel and julian_ 15:08 julian_ hi wizzyrea 15:08 miguel hi 15:18 wizzyrea kf++ I think you're onto something 15:22 * chris_n gives his zebra its bi-monthly whack 15:23 wizzyrea hee 15:23 chris_n for the record: the only fully functioning native win32 installation of Koha succumbed to a motherboard failure last week 15:24 * wizzyrea plays the dirge 15:24 chris_n well, I should say of the master branch of the main git repo 15:24 * chris_n thinks he hears rangi saying "good riddance" ;-) 15:24 wizzyrea to paraphrase mark twain - i've never wished a system dead, but I've read many post-mortems with glee 15:25 chris_n LOL 15:25 wizzyrea :) 15:26 chris_n however, strawberry perl should pretty much fully support such an install with only a few minor caveats 15:26 wizzyrea hey that's cool 15:27 trea hehe 15:27 chris_n yeah, the folks that maintain strawberry and vanilla included the remaining critical modules a release or so ago just for us 15:28 wizzyrea oh wow! 15:35 * talljoy likes code named after food. mmmmmm 15:36 talljoy makes crunching data even tastier. 15:40 gmcharlt chris_n++ # persistance is paying off for you 15:41 matchew Hi, I had asked a question yesterday evening. It was a bit slow in here at the time. So, now that I am working on the problem again I thought I would ask my question once again 15:41 wizzyrea gopher it 15:41 wizzyrea as in, go for it. 15:41 wizzyrea :) 15:42 matchew at the end of the installion on centOS 5.6 I receive this error on localhost:80 or :8080 http://mibpaste.com/mvUVch 15:43 wizzyrea hm 15:44 matchew I do recieve a similar issue when trying to start my zebraqueue_daemon.pl => http://mibpaste.com/p7h5Ug 15:44 matchew now, that issue of course is different 15:44 matchew the interesting thing about the 2nd issue is that was the error returned from make test 15:45 matchew and I ignored it, after google turned up the logs from this channel => http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-06#i_435450 15:46 matchew I'm sort of stumped. Using CentOS it was pretty hard to get this far, and I'd like to figure this one out. 15:48 * chris_n looks down the interstate to see if he can see gmcharlt 15:49 * wizzyrea thinks about this 15:50 matchew no problem, take your time. 15:50 matchew I'll likely be thinking about this all day 15:51 gmcharlt chris_n: heh, we're practically neighbors nowadays 15:53 chris_n matchew: what perl version are you using? 15:54 chris_n matchew: also note that the zebraqueue daemon is best left unused ATM 15:54 wizzyrea yea, the only thing i'm seeing 15:55 wizzyrea is that it has to do with perl 5.8.8 15:55 wizzyrea and when kmkale solved it, he updated to 5.10.0 15:55 chris_n we currently require 5.10 15:55 wizzyrea there you have it 15:59 wizzyrea either way, matchew, you can find out with perl -v 16:00 reiveune bye 16:00 matchew oh right 16:00 matchew so 5.8.8 16:00 wizzyrea you are running 5.8.8? 16:00 wizzyrea we require 5.10 16:00 wizzyrea that's five point ten 16:00 matchew right, 16:00 matchew okay 16:01 matchew that helps me a lot 16:01 wizzyrea let us know how it works out :) 16:01 matchew certainly 16:06 cait hi #koha 16:06 chris_n hi cait 16:07 chris_n lets go get some lunch 16:07 cait hi chris_n :) 16:08 wizzyrea woot cait's back 16:08 cait hehe 16:16 rhcl The new turkey sandwich @hardees is pretty good, and only 460cal. 16:18 nengard report help needed (I'm working with trea on this) - we have this: http://pastebin.com/7EveDisn but we need to add to it a check to see that the account hasn't had any payments in 60 days - and the check that's in there will find fines and payments so any ideas on how to add that limit would be great 16:18 nengard i feel like this bit "accountlines.date > DATE_SUB(CURDATE(),INTERVAL 60 DAY)" needs it's own WHERE statement to say where accounttype='PAY' or accounttype='C' 16:19 nengard but I don't know how to make that happen 16:20 trea http://pastebin.com/0SGf1aE7 this gives output, but i may be off 16:21 libsysguy can anybody tell me how issues gets populated 16:21 cait ah 16:21 cait so my version didn't work? 16:22 cait libsysguy: when you checkout something? 16:22 * wizzyrea needs something along these lines as well 16:23 cait nengard: i see the problem hm 16:23 libsysguy yeah I am getting a message about an item being overdue when its clearly not 16:24 nengard issues should only be populated when an item is checked out or renewed 16:24 nengard cait any ideas? :) 16:24 cait nengard: check this: http://pastebin.com/V2xcP27f 16:25 cait and change the subquery to use statistics and payments? 16:25 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 16:25 jwagner Anyone know anything about the issue in Bug 6854? I think it's the same problem that I'm seeing in multiple places including current head. 16:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6854 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , import_borrowers.pl : Double password encryption on member update if there is no password in the csv and no default password value. 16:25 nengard cait that might work, updating now 16:27 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "collections report" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 16:27 nengard trea does that work? 16:27 cait http://pastebin.com/SmTGvaBv 16:27 cait like this perhaps 16:28 nengard cait there is no 'type' in accountlines 16:28 cait no, I was using statistics 16:28 nengard oh ... 16:28 cait didn's ee that there is an accounttype pay in accountlines 16:28 cait should be the same :) 16:28 maximep jwagner coworker did that patch 16:28 maximep *my 16:28 nengard that might work too 16:28 nengard trea you can use either cait's or mine and see if they work 16:29 nengard if they do then we should share on the wiki 16:29 wizzyrea yes, yes you should 16:29 nengard :) 16:29 jwagner maximep, I'm adding a comment to that bug report now -- want to see if it's the same issue -- can you have your coworker take a look in a couple of minutes? 16:29 maximep jwagner: sure 16:30 jwagner I'm pretty sure it is the same problem, but want to verify. 16:30 wizzyrea mine is chomping away 16:30 libsysguy eek mysql's time is not the same as my system time 16:31 cait libsysguy: that sounds strange 16:32 libsysguy well I did change the timezone we were in from UTC time to CDT last night 16:32 libsysguy and i think it is still on UTC time 16:33 maximep jwagner: ok hes looking at it and will answer soon =) 16:33 maximep in short : yes :p 16:33 wizzyrea cait, nengard, trea: taht definitely got results! 16:33 cait yay :) 16:33 nengard WOO HOO 16:33 trea which one? 16:33 wahanui somebody said which one was it 16:34 nengard wizzyrea which one? I'll put it on the wiki with the proper credits 16:34 cait check the sum and such things... that it#s right 16:34 wizzyrea yea, that's my next step 16:34 wizzyrea :) 16:34 cait I had only a very minimalistic data set to test with 16:34 nengard yeah me too 16:35 * wizzyrea is reviewing the criteria 16:36 wizzyrea still gotta get the patron categories in there 16:36 wizzyrea but 16:36 wizzyrea ez enuf I think 16:37 wizzyrea so newest date is the most recent any activity in accountlines? 16:39 jwagner maximep, thanks, and thank him for doing the bugzilla report/patch -- I was just about to create one because I hadn't found one when I searched the other day. Looks like he did his yesterday :-) 16:41 cait wizzyrea: yes, was not sure what is needed 16:41 nengard wizzyrea which rport worked? 16:42 nengard so i can add the patron data back in 16:42 nengard cait's? 16:42 wizzyrea cait's last 16:42 nengard thanks 16:42 nengard will update 16:42 cait wizzyrea: and didn#t have the right patron categories :) 16:48 libsysguy ok so I'm still getting that an item is overdue as soon as it it checked out (hourly) 16:50 cait hm 16:50 cait oh 16:50 cait does it have fines? 16:51 cait or only hsow up as overdue (red) 16:51 libsysguy no fines 16:51 cait perhaps some check is not ok? 16:51 libsysguy that is what I am wondering 16:51 cait is the due date calculated correctly? 16:51 cait and due time? 16:51 libsysguy although the circ librarian is now telling me that she changed something -_- 16:51 libsysguy and the due time is correct 16:57 cait hm 16:57 libsysguy so apparently they changed the shelving location...but they just changed it back and its still giving an overdue notice 16:57 cait no idea :( 16:57 libsysguy me either 16:59 libsysguy cait do you know if there is a function for overdues to check to see if an item is overdue 16:59 cait hm I think there is something used by the overdues script 16:59 cait but something else might be used to indicate it's overdue (mark it red) in patron's account 16:59 cait not sure 17:00 cait and not sure what's been changed for hourly loans 17:00 libsysguy im not even running that script 17:24 cait libsysguy: you don#t hve to - things will show up overdue (red) when the date calculation says they are 17:36 libsysguy so it is the circulation module that i need to be looking at? 17:47 cait I would start lookin gat the perl skript for the template where you see the overdue thing 18:01 libsysguy sekjal, cait are do you guys want to talk about notices? 18:01 cait i am here 18:01 cait almost forgot abou tthe meeting 18:01 libsysguy oh no! 18:02 libsysguy i wonder if sekjal forgot? 18:02 libsysguy im excited about doing it 18:03 sekjal I'm here 18:03 sekjal sorry, working on an urgent set of patches 18:03 libsysguy oh...do we need to wait? 18:03 sekjal no, I'm good 18:03 libsysguy ok cool 18:03 libsysguy so where do we start? 18:03 cait good question 18:04 cait let me open the wiki page 18:04 libsysguy i say with the delete button 18:04 cait delete? 18:04 cait first i would like to talk about the area 18:04 libsysguy yeah toss out notices...bad joke... 18:04 cait does cover notificatons fines too? 18:05 cait in your opinion? 18:05 libsysguy i think they will have to be touched 18:05 cait because I would love to see them tied closely together, or being able to sync overdue notices and overdue fines 18:05 sekjal I'd like to see a unified message system for all outgoing emails, printed pages, SMS and RSS 18:05 libsysguy ^^ 18:06 sekjal and for overdues, a more robust set of triggers 18:06 cait I think we could build on the existing structures for that 18:06 sekjal more than just 3 18:06 cait but we should have print as an option 18:06 sekjal with fines included, along with debarring and such 18:06 cait sounds good to me 18:06 sekjal so, that's two large areas of change 18:06 cait notificatons = all messages we can send or only overdues? 18:06 libsysguy sounds good to me too 18:06 libsysguy all messages 18:06 libsysguy imo 18:06 cait ok 18:07 sekjal mine as well. overdue messages are just one type 18:07 cait ok 18:07 cait so this is going to be big 18:07 sekjal okay, so we've got several areas to cover: 18:07 sekjal message creation and editing 18:07 sekjal message triggering 18:07 wizzyrea messages for print 18:07 cait delivery types 18:08 cait print, email, sms 18:08 cait i would like to see that configurable 18:08 sekjal delivery methods: print, email, sms, rss 18:08 cait not only falling back to print with no email 18:08 cait but being able to send a third or forth notice as print 18:08 sekjal formatting types: plaintext, HTML, short-message (140 char limit) 18:08 cait ok 18:08 cait i think we should write that on the wiki page 18:08 cait or perhaps a google document? 18:08 libsysguy i agree 18:09 libsysguy can we log this chat? 18:09 sekjal yes, we need a work space to write down all these ideas 18:09 sekjal libsysguy: chat is logged 18:09 cait in google we could all write 18:09 wizzyrea chat is always logged ;) 18:09 libsysguy ok so who wants to set up that log 18:09 wizzyrea it's already logged 18:09 libsysguy wahanui is always watching 18:09 wizzyrea irc log? 18:09 cait the log is hard to read, i think we should do some structuring in a document while we are discussing 18:09 cait logs? 18:09 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 18:10 sekjal cait: agreed 18:10 cait ok, what can we use? 18:10 libsysguy im all for google docs 18:10 cait for marseille we had a google docs document, that was fun :) 18:10 sekjal works for me 18:10 cait but I don't have access to that i think, not sure how to open a new document 18:12 libsysguy sekjal doesn't bywater use google docs 18:12 sekjal libsysguy: we do 18:12 sekjal send me your preferred invite emails, and I'll add you to the doc 18:13 libsysguy tdavis@uttyler.edu 18:13 rangi yo 18:13 rangi http://etherpad.org/ 18:14 cait oh 18:14 cait evening rangi 18:14 rangi free software ftw 18:14 rangi and morning cait :) 18:14 cait :) 18:15 sekjal creating 18:15 wizzyrea (data entry sucks. That is all.) 18:15 cait wizzyrea: in what? 18:16 wizzyrea library thing for libraries/LibraryAnywhere 18:16 sekjal http://beta.etherpad.org/p/Koha%20Notices%20Rewrite%20meeting%20sept%208%202011 18:16 libsysguy P->V or V->V 18:16 wizzyrea I should be more specific: populating the address/phone/hours data for 39 libraries = not how I would like to spend my afternoon. 18:16 rangi if we like etherpad, we can set up etherpad.koha-community.org too 18:16 libsysguy sweet 18:17 sekjal it's working! 18:17 libsysguy excellent 18:17 libsysguy ok so what do we need to add 18:17 sekjal everyone else in channel is of course welcome to join this pad if you would like to contribute to this discussion at this time 18:17 libsysguy ^^ 18:18 cait i got kicked out and all my changes are lost :( 18:18 cait and disconnected again 18:18 libsysguy noo...actually I did too 18:18 sekjal and I 18:18 sekjal booo 18:18 cait booo 18:19 rangi not me 18:19 cait so you are alone now rangi :P 18:19 libsysguy rangi stop kicking us out 18:19 cait yeah, don't be so rude 18:19 rangi nope someone else is typing too 18:19 sekjal I'm back in 18:19 sekjal and now 18:19 sekjal out 18:19 libsysguy grr 18:19 rangi i suspect if you want to do it for real, you should pick one of the public sites 18:19 rangi not the demo/beta 18:20 cait grr 18:20 cait yeah 18:20 cait can't even copy my text although I still see it :( 18:21 rangi http://typewith.me/3gYf6ozqf4 18:21 rangi try that 18:22 cait yay 18:23 cait who is violet? 18:23 libsysguy looks like sekjal 18:23 wizzyrea looks like sekjal 18:23 wizzyrea jinx 18:23 sekjal yes 18:23 * libsysguy wishes somebody pinch me so i can speak 18:23 rangi aww 18:23 * wizzyrea pinches libsysguy 18:23 rangi i liked my name better 18:24 libsysguy phew 18:24 rangi maybe to hit the save revisions link every so often 18:24 rangi maybe=member 18:24 rangi and if you guys dont hate this, let me know ill set up one on my linode server for the project to use 18:25 libsysguy i think it's ok...better than the other one 18:26 cait :) 18:26 cait I don't hate it right now 18:31 sekjal this is pretty neat 18:32 wizzyrea re: address change, you know currently patrons can't update their own addresses (and that's probably right) 18:32 cait notice to librarian - address change required 18:32 cait the mail is not understandable 18:32 wizzyrea AH 18:32 cait and not translatable (which is worse) 18:32 wizzyrea ok, I thought you meant outgoing to patron "your address has been changed" 18:32 cait that would be a neat feature too :) 18:33 cait ´but needs some work on the address change - sending an email is not the best way to do it 18:33 cait should give you the informaton to compare in the patron account with options to accept / reject 18:33 wizzyrea re: the fast add notification, doesn't the fast add set a temp category code? 18:33 * wizzyrea may be dreaming about that 18:33 cait ? 18:33 libsysguy i think sekjal has been thinking about this longer than I have 18:33 libsysguy lol 18:33 cait fast add wat? 18:33 wizzyrea under cataloging 18:34 sekjal wizzyrea: you can set a temporary item type in the Framework as default, sure 19:09 aarkerio hi! I am having problems when a user wants send "Your cart" email to himself. I can send emails from command line 19:09 aarkerio any idea where can I look? 19:09 aarkerio or localize the error message? 19:10 rangi check the apache error logs to start with 19:11 rangi also check you mta logs 19:11 rangi see if its reaching the mta at least 19:15 aarkerio I apache log I am getting: 19:16 aarkerio preferences.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /var/www/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/preferences.pl line 224. 19:17 aarkerio in /cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?op=search&searchfield=MTA 19:17 aarkerio I am getting: 19:17 aarkerio "No system preferences matched your search for MTA. You can try a different search or return to where you were before." 19:19 aarkerio 224 line is: 19:19 aarkerio if ( $piece->{'pref'} =~ /^$searchfield$/i ) { 19:19 rangi no, your mail transport agent 19:19 rangi postfix, or exim4 or whatever :) 19:20 aarkerio oh yea! 19:22 rangi koha uses Mail::Sendmail which by default will try to connect to localhost port 25 to send mail, telnet localhost 25 19:22 rangi you can use to check if its listening 19:22 rangi ok time to go catch my bus, bbl 19:26 aarkerio ok thanks again! 19:35 wizzyrea sekjal 19:35 wizzyrea question 19:35 sekjal wizzyrea: shoot 19:35 wizzyrea i'm looking at the patch from colin on bug 3498 19:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments 19:35 wizzyrea see the NB: 19:35 rangi got the old bus today im pretty sure its older than me 19:35 wizzyrea does that affect what we were talking about a few days ago on patron search 19:35 wizzyrea er no 19:36 wizzyrea patrons with large numbers of checkouts? 19:36 sekjal wizzyrea: NB? 19:37 sekjal ah, I see it 19:37 wizzyrea NB: Adds a version of the include circ-menu.inc as circ-menu.tt 19:37 wizzyrea this has the same functionality as the old include but does not 19:37 wizzyrea require all the borrowers attributes to be passed as global 19:37 wizzyrea scoped variables 19:37 sekjal in commit message 19:37 wizzyrea right 19:37 libsysguy rangi made me think of your last comment http://i.imgur.com/mplST.jpg 19:37 wizzyrea ! 19:37 wizzyrea sorry, that might be a rabbit 19:37 wizzyrea (chasing rabbits, etc) 19:38 rangi heh thats a fail sign 19:38 libsysguy exactly lol 19:39 sekjal wizzyrea: it may help reduce required processing...would have to pass it through NYTProf 19:39 Brooke 0/ 19:39 wizzyrea but the partial fines payment looks good to me, though I noted one small anomaly with the error messages - sometimes in the error messages it computes out to like 10 decimal places. but not always? will test more. 19:42 jwagner wizzyrea, that is probably due to Bug 3166 19:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3166 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Fines are summing off by 1 penny due to rounding issue when summing. 19:42 jwagner Or maybe not.... 19:44 wizzyrea oh that could be 19:45 * wizzyrea tries her best to break partial fines >:) 19:45 maximep are you thinking of merging partial fines for 3.6 ? 19:45 * wizzyrea doesn't think to merge anything 19:45 * wizzyrea is only testing the available patch 19:45 maximep heh 19:46 sekjal maximep: I'd like to see that happen, assuming the testing goes well 19:46 maximep all I can tell is that were using it in production 19:46 rangi if it passes qa, it'll get merged 19:46 sekjal if it can get a signoff and through QA before the feature freeze date, then it's in 19:46 wizzyrea please tell me you don't hate it and that it works ok :) 19:46 maximep but that doesnt help :p 19:47 rangi that implementation of it maximep ? 19:47 maximep well I had to mess with it today 19:47 maximep rangi: we have some changes, but pretty much, yeah 19:47 rangi noting on the bug that u are using it helps 19:47 maximep most of our patches were sent 19:47 maximep by fcapo 19:47 rangi k 19:47 maximep hard for me to say what is different on our side :/ 19:48 rangi linking them together with depends etc would help a lot too 19:48 wizzyrea maximep: what version are you running? 19:51 maximep well 19:52 maximep in theory it could be called a fork... but 3.2.3 19:52 wizzyrea ah cool 19:52 maximep rebasing everything on 3.6 in the next months 19:52 wizzyrea cool beans :) 19:52 maximep hundreds of hours of fun 19:52 wizzyrea whee! 20:01 wizzyrea anybody out there have selenium installed? 20:01 wizzyrea I have a test case with the patch for 3498, i wonder if you'd care to see if my test case works for you 20:02 maximep I wish I had time to help :/ 20:03 maximep I guess I could take a few minutes to run it with selenium ide 20:05 cait wizzyrea: ask me again on thursday? 20:05 cait I am postponing all that is fun until then 20:06 wizzyrea k 20:06 * chris_n has had all of the DBIx fun he can stand for one day 20:06 chris_n off in search of food 20:06 wizzyrea gl 20:06 libsysguy good luck 20:07 cait rangi: we love it :) 20:08 rangi cool 20:09 rangi ill see about setting about a dedicated one 20:10 libsysguy anybody know anything about the circulation module that is supposed to be in 3.6? 20:11 rangi what circulation module? 20:11 rhcl funny 20:12 libsysguy I thought I read something about a rewrite of circulation was coming in 3.6? 20:12 cait if you mean circ enhancments that#s not so likely right now 20:13 cait the big bug 20:13 libsysguy yes yes...circ "enhancements" 20:13 libsysguy I was jw if there was a place I could check it out and poke around with it 20:13 cait the problem is it' s really big 20:14 cait and it clashes with a lot of other stuff that could go in 3.6 20:14 wizzyrea bug 3498 20:14 wahanui rumour has it bug 3498 is a fairly old implementation that colin updated. It just popped up because I added 'needs signoff' 20:14 cait like allowonshelfholds in circ matrix or hourly loans 20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments 20:14 wizzyrea if ppl want to play with selenium, I attached a couple of tests. I don' tknow if they'll work though? 20:15 rangi selenium is sometimes persnickety 20:15 libsysguy yeah hourly loans 20:15 libsysguy thats the one i really need lol 20:15 rangi if i get a chance ill have a go 20:15 wizzyrea well they run for me ^.^ 20:15 wizzyrea no errors 20:16 rangi cool 20:19 maximep wizzyrea: looking at them. Probably not a good idea to put a selenium.base in your test 20:20 wizzyrea ok, i am new to this, so I"m not sure what you mean 20:20 wizzyrea oic 20:20 wizzyrea i hink 20:21 wizzyrea think 20:21 maximep well when I open them in selenium ise it puts it as the base url 20:21 maximep http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org 20:21 wizzyrea I see 20:21 wizzyrea how do you make it portable 20:21 wizzyrea ? 20:22 maximep good question 20:22 wizzyrea i mean, you could just go in, edit it to your base 20:22 maximep not sure... maybe just put nothing and the user will add it 20:22 wizzyrea just text right? 20:24 wizzyrea OH 20:24 wizzyrea oh oh 20:24 wizzyrea set your base URL 20:24 wizzyrea at the top 20:24 wizzyrea open it, and set your base URL 20:24 maximep I know 20:24 maximep just telling you that u might not want to share yours 20:24 wizzyrea oh, idc 20:25 wizzyrea thank you for your concern. :) 20:25 maximep well there's no way your test to create a patron will work on my bd, but that's because of local changes -_- 20:25 wizzyrea the hazards I guess ;) 20:26 wizzyrea but thank you for looking it over 20:27 wizzyrea but yes, that is very good to know... I wiill try to remember to add the help that you may need to change your base url to run the test 20:30 maximep wizzyrea: anyway, sorry, but my install is way too far from 4.4 to help you run the entire test 20:30 wizzyrea all good :) 20:31 wizzyrea the add patron one is on current master, and the fines add/pay one is master + the patch 20:32 rangi oh and 20:32 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQqogKePbI 20:34 rangi oh look my house 20:34 wizzyrea rly? 20:34 rangi (Not really :)) 20:34 wizzyrea cheeky. 20:37 trea heh 20:39 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhbavFpWZk 20:39 rangi you'll be sick of me after 45 days of this :) 20:39 wizzyrea unlikely 20:42 cait :) 20:47 ibeardslee /ignore rangi ? 20:48 rangi heh 20:48 rangi i had to do /ignore whingers who cant ignore things themselves the other day :) 20:49 aarkerio hi where can I see how many books already are in the database? 20:50 wizzyrea select count(*) from items; 20:50 wizzyrea in your saved reports 20:50 wizzyrea or created from sql reports 20:50 wizzyrea you'll probably have to add it 20:51 aarkerio There is not a report page in admin section? 20:53 wizzyrea aarkerio: 20:53 wizzyrea v 20:53 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/gepGBLxgdy 20:54 aarkerio wizzyrea, great! thanks a lot! 20:54 wizzyrea yw 20:57 wizzyrea you know it would be cool to have a saved report that gave you that snapshot count 20:57 wizzyrea bibs/patrons/items right now 20:57 wizzyrea total owed in fines 20:59 cait I think the dashboard could do that 20:59 wizzyrea you mean put that count on the home page? 20:59 cait perhaps 20:59 cait or have a new built in report 20:59 wizzyrea that's what I was thinking 20:59 wizzyrea a new builtin 21:00 cait hm 21:00 wizzyrea or on the catalogue statistics page 21:02 rangi yeah the dashboard would be good to do that 21:02 rangi id like it show things like 21:02 rangi in the last hour 141422 items were issued 21:02 rangi too 21:02 wizzyrea oo 21:04 sekjal user. configurable. widgets. 21:05 * wizzyrea squees 21:05 magnus_afk yay! 21:05 rangi the trick is make the report engine hand out json 21:05 rangi and then add caching 21:05 rangi and we have a webservice 21:05 rangi then you can just add widgets that format that json nicely 21:05 rangi done 21:06 cait sounds so easy when you talk abou tit :) 21:10 magnus_afk we need to find a way to make rangi do it, for example to prove how easy it would be... ;-) 21:11 cait hehe 21:11 rangi ask me again after october 22 21:11 ibeardslee or earlier if the ABs choke? 21:12 * magnus_afk makes a note to do that ;-) 21:12 rangi naw, thats when im no longer RM 21:12 * wizzyrea is off to make mac and cheese for the kiddo's family pot luck at school tonight 21:12 wizzyrea wish me luck :) 21:12 cait good luck? 21:12 magnus_afk good luck wizzyrea 21:14 magnus_afk g'night #koha 21:14 rangi cya magnus_afk 21:31 cait good night all :) 21:46 sekjal good night, #koha! 22:52 rangi http://etherpad.koha-community.org:9000/ 22:53 eythian oh, useful 22:54 eythian although, it's got its own domain, I'd run it on :80 22:54 rangi yeah i tried doing that 22:54 rangi its not happy about it 22:55 rangi its not apache its a big java stack, and the mod_proxy was wigging out like mental 22:55 rangi figured i wouldnt kill bugs.kc playing with it ;) 22:56 eythian heh OK