Time Nick Message
23:46 emery ok
23:43 eythian It may be someone else has some inspiration from it.
23:43 eythian including the exact command lines you used.
23:43 eythian output from commands, and so on.
23:43 eythian You can't include too much.
23:43 eythian if you post to the list, include as much detail as you possibly can.
23:42 emery probably
23:42 eythian It's 99% certain the issue is around the zebra setup.
23:42 eythian and double-check the reindexing.
23:42 emery bye
23:42 emery yes, i have made sure that works :)
23:41 eythian ah OK
23:41 emery opac can see it
23:41 eythian Ensure that there is actually something there that you're searching for.
23:41 emery if i put n item on a list
23:41 emery check in / check out work
23:41 emery it can see records
23:41 eythian my suggestion is to keep poking at zebra, and looking at your database. Make sure that koha can see records, even if it can't search.
23:41 emery goodbye, thanks for your help :)
23:41 emery i will try mailing list
23:39 emery :(
23:39 eythian I'm not though. I have plenty of people who are paying me to do their Koha stuff that I need to attend to too.
23:38 emery i am fine with that
23:38 emery i am fine with tha
23:38 emery and it is not linux problem, i think it is something to do eith koha, wich they would not know how to fix
23:38 eythian I fully expect that that would take hours to set up.
23:38 emery i dont :o
23:37 eythian I'm sure you can find someone with Linuxy experience locally who'll be able to do it.
23:37 emery yes, but you could try things if you could see my computer / set up, yes?
23:37 eythian much the same situation really, I'm pretty much stumped.
23:36 emery what about eythian
23:36 emery ok
23:36 emery ahh
23:36 rangi there are too many other things to do
23:36 rangi ive invested all the time in this i am going to for free
23:36 rangi ok, to be brutally honest
23:35 emery when do you stop working?
23:35 rangi you could hire someone
23:35 rangi yeah, im working to
23:35 wahanui okay, eythian.
23:35 eythian rangi is also at work
23:35 emery maybe rangi is still here
23:35 emery would anyone else be interested in that?
23:34 emery hah, lol
23:34 eythian I really don't have time for that, I'm supposed to be working.
23:34 emery like logmein or something?
23:33 emery is there a way you can virtuly connect to my computer?
23:33 eythian yeah
23:33 emery good - is not broken :)
23:33 emery bad - does not help
23:33 emery that is good and bad
23:32 eythian hmm, that looks OK too
23:30 emery /usr/share/koha/lib
23:30 eythian ok
23:29 emery i dont in the code :)
23:29 emery oh
23:29 eythian that shouldn't be there.
23:29 eythian you have a space in there after the --
23:29 eythian wait
23:29 eythian huh. what does 'echo $PERL5LIB' return?
23:28 emery emery@koha-server:~/Desktop/koha-3.04.04/misc/maintenance$ perl remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl -- run
23:28 eythian I think ubuntu comes with an IRC client.
23:28 emery to run the chat, whatever add-on it trys to install when i go to here on it it says it cant run it
23:27 eythian what do you need java for?
23:27 emery ok
23:27 emery my ubuntu cannot run java:(
23:27 emery my ubuntu cannot run jave:(
23:27 eythian yeah. and be exact.
23:26 eythian that won't make things easier at all
23:26 emery did you want me to manuly do it?
23:26 emery diffrent computer
23:26 emery i cannot
23:26 eythian copy and paste your exact command line
23:26 emery it just shows the help text agian
23:25 emery ok
23:25 eythian try it with '-where blarg' at the end. This should cause it to fail. I want to see exactly how it fails.
23:24 emery yeah. nope
23:24 eythian OK.
23:24 emery it doesn't, i will try again
23:24 eythian yeah. but it should also say how many records it processed when you run it
23:23 emery it says after you should re-index zebra
23:23 emery ok
23:23 eythian ah, I got confused above.
23:23 emery =:s
23:22 emery ^^ is what it printed
23:22 emery -- help or -h show this message
23:22 eythian so it did give you a help message
23:22 eythian wait
23:22 emery --run preform update
23:22 emery no
23:22 emery - where use this to limit mods to selected biblios
23:21 eythian can you paste your exact command line?
23:21 eythian try it without --run, it should give you a help message.
23:21 emery nope
23:21 eythian I can't see anything that would cause that script to not return anything though (well, unless you used --silent, which I presume you didn't)
23:20 emery =:)
23:20 eythian good.
23:20 emery good bad? =:s
23:19 eythian ah right
23:19 emery /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
23:19 eythian any user should be OK
23:19 eythian this may be blank
23:19 eythian what does 'echo $KOHA_CONF' say?
23:18 emery or anyuser would be fine
23:18 emery should i run it as koha?
23:18 eythian no
23:17 emery should i use sudo?
23:17 emery nope
23:17 eythian it should finish saying "123 records processed"
23:17 emery i pushed enter, then 3 seconds later emery@koha-server:`/ came back up
23:17 eythian like, it wasn't all blank?
23:16 emery nope
23:16 eythian ah OK. It did say something though?
23:16 emery no error
23:16 emery i ran it with perl in front and it worked
23:16 eythian pastebin the contents of /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04
23:15 emery command not found
23:13 emery ok
23:13 eythian hmm, well, it can run from there.
23:13 emery /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04
23:13 emery and
23:13 emery /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04
23:12 eythian the proc one is not useful, what are the other ones?
23:12 emery /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance
23:12 emery then that other one is
23:12 emery they are both in there
23:12 emery when i downloaded koha, i put it in koha-3.4
23:11 emery there is 2 other ones, but they are in the downloaded folder
23:10 eythian erm. Maybe something else, too?
23:10 emery /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance
23:08 eythian hmm. maybe. What does 'locate remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl' say?
23:08 emery or do i run it in /usr/share/koha
23:07 emery is that where i run it then
23:07 emery /usr/share/koha/lib
23:06 eythian what does 'locate C4' say?
23:06 emery i will go looking then
23:06 emery oh
23:06 eythian I don't think there is a default
23:06 emery i may have forrgotten that, where is the default?
23:06 eythian It contains a directory called 'C4' amongst a lot of others.
23:06 emery lol
23:06 eythian it's wherever you installed koha to.
23:05 wahanui eythian: I forgot that
23:05 eythian wahanui: forget that
23:05 wahanui somebody said that was the problem
23:05 emery where is that?
23:05 eythian run it from the base Koha directory
23:05 emery where do i run it? anywhere?
23:04 emery let me check
23:04 eythian well, that may be a clue
23:04 emery i think it came back with an error though
23:04 emery i did
23:04 emery yes
23:04 eythian that one (from install.debian)
23:03 eythian misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run
23:03 emery is it in the install.debian?
23:03 emery i think
23:03 emery yes
23:03 eythian you ran the upgrade to 3.4 script?
23:02 emery oh
23:02 eythian yeah, 3.2 should work to some degree on a 3.4 database, just some things may break
23:01 emery but same database
23:01 emery well, the database is upgraded
23:01 emery yep
23:01 eythian same database, same koha-conf.xml?
22:58 emery yea
22:58 eythian as in, if you switch the code back to 3.2, it starts working again?
22:58 emery but i can get it to work in 3.2
22:57 eythian That's because usually it works, and if it doesn't, that suggests there's something wrong somewhere, diagnosing that via IRC is really hard beyond the basics.
22:55 emery we'll i geuss im not getting any help here
22:44 emery and the first time i had my permissions screwed up
22:43 emery i only went back once because i needed the search to work
22:43 rangi i dont know why you keep reinstalling, that wont magically fix it
22:42 emery the last time we tried everyone left before i finished installing
22:42 rangi well there is no one here different to the other 4 ppl who have tried
22:41 emery and i want to know why it doesn't work, it is bugging me (the fact i can't fix it)
22:40 emery because i like some of the features on 3.4 :o
22:40 rangi why dont you just stay with 3.2.10
22:39 emery Is anyone availible to help right now? =8D i need some help with the updgrade, i have upgraded to koha 3.4 and after the upgrade, my searches stopped working, anyone want a chalannge? =?)
22:23 aogle That's ok. I shall continue to google it away. I'm sure i'll figure out a way
22:22 rangi who also may be asleep :)
22:22 aogle seems windows has a nice easy function. But linux is lacking the obvious. Searching is greatly hindered by python's IDLE
22:21 rangi (bug was one of the organisers of kiwipycon, and a python officianado)
22:20 rangi bug: ??
22:20 rangi ahh bug does i bet
22:19 aogle I believe he may have been wanting to ask if anyone knew of a python function to retrieve idle(not system idle, but no input idle) status
22:15 rangi not needing a programmer anymore?
22:12 rhcl hey rangi
22:09 rangi sup rhcl
21:54 rhcl is there a programmer in the house?
21:15 slef hire a devloper, probavbly be done in an hour or two
21:14 ckirkland okay thanks!
21:14 slef doesn't seem like a tough change to me
21:13 slef someone else would know more... also, you could put in an enhancement request
21:13 ckirkland but didn't find anything in the manual
21:13 ckirkland ok, because i saw that in 3.4 more fines details are viewable in the patron check out screen, wasn't sure about the patron side
21:12 slef I suspect it hasn't changed betwen those versions.
21:11 slef it depends what you mean by possible... everything is possible, given time and money... but can you check the manual and a demo?
21:09 ckirkland as opposed to them having to go to my fines tab
21:09 ckirkland okay i'll throw it out there anyway- we're still on 3.2, upgrading to 3.4 soon. We'd really like to have total fines viewable on the "my summary" page for patrons. Is this possible?
21:09 slef yes but it's a bit quiet just now
21:08 ckirkland is this a good place for general koha questions?
21:01 slef I'll stay and watch the news headlines before looking at your paste :)
21:01 matchew well, have a nice night. I'll be around tomorrow
21:01 slef np
21:01 matchew thanks
21:01 matchew nice
21:01 slef yay wahanui
21:00 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
21:00 slef logs?
21:00 slef I think it's stats.workbuffer.org.nz
21:00 matchew but, dont know exactly where they are kept.
21:00 matchew I have come across the logs in my searches for other questions
21:00 matchew actually I do not
21:00 matchew I'll leave this open....otherwise I'll give it another go in the morning
21:00 slef in case your mibbit goes pop
21:00 slef ok... you know where the logs are?
20:59 matchew alright, well. time to call it a day. This problem has me stumped for now.
20:59 matchew yep
20:59 slef oh well that's something to look forward to
20:58 matchew thankfully the production server is set to be replaced by the end of the fiscal year
20:57 matchew and they wanted the development server to mirror it
20:57 slef so anyway, you may meet a very hard problem and you may have your bum in the breeze, security-wise
20:57 matchew well, our old and imperfect production server is centOS
20:57 matchew good to know
20:57 slef upsets me when bosses make workers use old and imperfect tools
20:56 slef http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/
20:56 slef erm, no
20:55 slef http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/#Comments
20:55 matchew but right after they set it up with 5.6 they released 6
20:55 matchew I did not set up this machine
20:55 matchew possibly
20:54 slef didn't I read on lwn.net that centos 5 no longer gets updates?
20:54 matchew tell me about it
20:53 slef it's possible but not as fun as debian-derived distributions
20:52 matchew > This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
20:52 matchew well, thats the server I was instructed to install it on.
20:51 slef why no choice and which perl version?
20:51 matchew *had no choice
20:50 matchew Installing on centOS is not suggested, but I had not choice. I slogged through a lot of errors, but this one has me stumped.
20:50 slef yeah... almost 22:00 here
20:50 matchew so I may not be here...but I'll leave this up
20:50 matchew i'm approaching the end of my work day
20:50 matchew sure
20:49 slef ok... I'll look in 15 or maybe someone will get it sooner
20:49 matchew http://mibpaste.com/mvUVch <-- the whole error
20:49 matchew so, th 127.0.0.1:80|:8080 (localhost:8080), etc
20:48 slef sure but it'll tell where to look
20:48 matchew it was after I thought I had everything configured
20:48 matchew and its the landing page
20:48 matchew well, its a local address
20:47 slef as in the address of the page
20:47 slef matchew: what address is the error at?
20:47 slef it'll be 15mins before I can look much... don't know if anyone else has seen that... don't think I have
20:46 slef was worth a try :)
20:46 huginn slef: No results for "gethidelostitemspreferences."
20:46 slef @query gethidelostitemspreferences
20:45 matchew there is more to the error, but it spans several lines
20:45 wahanui address is fne
20:45 slef address?
20:45 matchew that error is returned from 127.0.0.1
20:44 matchew 3.04.04
20:44 matchew ah yes, important
20:44 slef which koha version?
20:44 matchew when everything seems to be up and running
20:44 matchew this is at the end of the installation on centOS 5.6
20:44 matchew now to explain
20:44 matchew well, in that case here is my error: "GetHideLostItemsPreference" is not exported by the C4::Members module
20:43 slef it'll do ;)
20:43 matchew Hi, is it appropriate to ask for help on installing koha in this channel?
20:37 cait night all
20:35 Brooke up Baile Átha Cliath!
20:35 wizzyrea lol
20:35 rangi lets all pile on and say that on the list ;)
20:35 wizzyrea very nice
20:34 cait yay :)
20:34 rangi ohh great email about migration from Heritage
20:22 Brooke nah
20:21 slef (that's what provokes me to fill in blanks in co-op meeting agendas)
20:20 slef Brooke: want me to mail you the agenda a few days ahead?
20:18 Brooke I'll do it, it was my bad
20:18 magnuse see ya!
20:18 Brooke they're kind of cryptic
20:18 magnuse gota run now
20:18 Brooke cause right now
20:18 magnuse i'll raise the issue on the mailing list tomorrow
20:18 Brooke I really need to take time and review the agenda before meetings
20:18 slef yeah we'd like that I think
20:17 magnuse we actually decided to close the voting on october 1st...
20:17 Brooke d'oh
20:17 slef good spot magnuse
20:17 tajoli Time OK for me
20:17 Brooke think about Release Maint for extra credit.
20:17 magnuse AGREED: voting closes 1 October (Brooke, 11:08:18) http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.html
20:17 magnuse hm: <Brooke> 19:57:22> #info Voting starts 1 October
20:16 paul_p bye everybody
20:16 * oleonard scurries
20:16 paul_p well, 10PM here, still no dinner, I leave ;-)
20:16 Brooke scurry!
20:16 Brooke scurry cats
20:16 Brooke ha
20:16 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.log.html
20:16 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.txt
20:16 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.html
20:16 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 20:15:55 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:16 Brooke #endmeeting
20:16 cait meeting has already ended, but any thoughts about rmaint?
20:16 Brooke #agreed 5 October 10 UTC
20:16 cait paul_p: oh nice
20:16 paul_p but someone else from BibLibre will be able to attend (11AM in France)
20:15 Brooke going twice...
20:15 mtj +1
20:15 magnuse +1
20:15 paul_p will be in switzerland on 5th
20:15 Brooke going once
20:15 slef looks ok at a glance
20:15 * jcamins won't be there, but it seems fair to me. +1
20:14 paul_p 10UTC is what we've decided = 18UTC (today) -8
20:13 Brooke 5th October 10 UTC?
20:13 Brooke k movin' on
20:13 paul_p slef, at BibLibre, we have a bug squashing session once every 2 fridays, in the morning
20:13 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting
20:13 magnuse slef: feel free to propose dates for gbsd!
20:13 * magnuse drops by briefly
20:12 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
20:12 cait but we have one every 2 weeks
20:12 cait weekend one would be nice
20:12 cait hi magnuse
20:11 slef any objection to a mid month bug squash next time? thoughts on a weekend one?
20:11 Brooke #topic Old Business (Actions from Last Meeting)
20:11 thd As slef identified, the voting method hardly matters if there are only two candidates.
20:10 slef kohacon2098
20:10 rangi ibeardslee: awesome!
20:10 oleonard that gives us plenty of time
20:10 ibeardslee rangi: some further plugging of Koha planned as part of the my ACCEPTED proposal to talk about the academy at LCA in Jan.
20:10 wahanui i think next time is in 87 years or something... ;-)
20:10 slef thd: next time...
20:09 thd slef: We should encourage more bidders.
20:09 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-09-02_Global_bug_squashing_day
20:08 cait yep, gbsd++
20:08 thd I favour score voting in a manner which removes motivation for false strategic voting but that is a topic for the mailing list and a different vote.
20:08 Brooke magnuse++
20:08 Brooke the twitter feed was neat
20:08 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-09-02_Global_bug_squashing_day
20:07 Brooke smashing success so far if ye ask me
20:07 slef well rank voting boils down to either/or here anyway. lots are equal with only 2 choice
20:07 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Days
20:07 Brooke we're at the two hour mark
20:06 wizzyrea i suspect it's backed up on disk somewhere
20:06 jcamins slef: I think the objection was about rank voting. thd may remember, I think he was the one who answered the objection.
20:06 * slef looks for his memory, but has forgotten where he left it
20:05 Brooke and if not, someone else will figure it out in time for the first.
20:05 slef jcamins: ooh I wonder why? :)
20:05 thd paul_p: Reno is by woods and a lake but much of Nevada is an arid desert.
20:05 Brooke #agreed Nengard will hopefully once again be our saviour and create a survey based on what we did last time.
20:04 Brooke but any how
20:04 Brooke I didn't phrase that right at all
20:04 tajoli In fact as Italian a prefer UK
20:04 Brooke having a rotating slate was.
20:04 jcamins paul_p: this USian will be voting for the UK, too. :)
20:04 Brooke that wasn't.
20:04 thd Brooke: Was no same country in the following year shot down?
20:03 slef well I can't really phrase it unless nancyk wants to help me :)
20:03 jcamins slef: yes, you were one of the people objecting, as I recall.
20:03 paul_p well, maybe it's OK (but i'll ask all biblibrarians and french libraries to go & vote for UK ;-) )
20:03 slef jcamins: and was I one? ;)
20:03 jcamins slef: not off the top of my head. I'm at work now.
20:03 Brooke so community wins. :)
20:03 slef jcamins: got links/detail?
20:03 Brooke Paul, I tried and was shot down.
20:02 jcamins slef: there were objections to the questions last year.
20:02 paul_p thd, let me rephrase : I think for KohaCon13 and later, we should define a rule to avoid repeated countries
20:02 slef rangi: ta
20:02 paul_p yep, I agree (and I agree my sentence was not correctly written)
20:02 thd paul_p: If we exclude the US and one of two proposals is from the US then there is nothing to vote upon.
20:02 slef jcamins: recycle last year's?
20:01 slef paul_p: don't change the rules mid-process. Even if I'd like the result, not really fair :)
20:01 paul_p (not that I don't want to go to NV)
20:01 cait stv?
20:01 jcamins nengard is going to insist (understandably) that the exact wording of the questions be provided by someone else.
20:01 rangi stv almost
20:01 Brooke if she doesn't read this by like next week and let us know, we'll figure out a fallback, yes?
20:01 paul_p but in this case, shouldn't we think to a rule to avoid having KohaCon in US just 3 years after the previous KohaCon in US
20:00 rangi slef ranked votes last time
20:00 slef anyway nm
20:00 slef paul_p: yes, what sort? I forget and can't look for an hour :)
20:00 Brooke jcamins, I concur. ;)
20:00 thd jcamins: yes, I see no objection from her.
20:00 paul_p we used voting
19:59 paul_p in french we say "missing person are always wrong". So yes, we can volunteer her ;-)
19:59 slef 2 options, so I think it's a straight choice of approval or either/or voting. Anyone remember what we used last time?
19:59 jcamins nengard isn't here at the moment, so we can volunteer her for anything... right?
19:59 * oleonard checks the fridge for butter
19:59 cait nengard:plz? :)
19:59 thd nengard: You are being volunteered.
19:58 Brooke the suggestion is that we butter up nengard and ask for her survey setup another time
19:57 Brooke now how do we manage?
19:57 Brooke #info Voting starts 1 October
19:57 Brooke we have two bids, one from Reno, NV, USA and one from Scotland, UK
19:57 Brooke #topic KohaCon2012
19:56 Brooke any questions, please ask, and hopefully kmkale will address them if I don't know the answers
19:55 Brooke there is your programme. We will probably continue to tweak that as the date draws near, but it's a nice overview.
19:54 Brooke it will be a blast
19:54 Brooke get to conference
19:54 Brooke anyhoo
19:54 Brooke my wki was uglay
19:54 Brooke beautification project
19:54 slef ?
19:53 Brooke that's rangi and cait for ye
19:53 Brooke pfft
19:53 slef Brooke++
19:53 cait kmkale around?
19:53 Brooke sping.
19:53 Brooke #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2011
19:53 slef I;m at dinner so similarly limited for 10mins
19:52 rangi I would but im on the bus
19:52 rangi could link to programme here?
19:51 slef ow!
19:51 Brooke Bear in mind that kmkale has a broken arm and is typing with the wrong hand
19:51 slef I always saw the specifics as being for the rm
19:51 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011
19:51 mtj ahh, ok :)
19:51 Brooke arrighty then
19:50 rangi sekjal answered already
19:50 rangi brooke scroll back
19:50 mtj hmmm - 3.10 , and then 3.12 ??
19:50 Brooke do you have a burning desire to discuss numbering post 3.8?
19:50 Brooke welcome back
19:50 rangi back
19:49 wahanui hmmm... no one is working on kiritakikoha
19:49 Brooke no one?
19:48 Brooke #topic Numbering for post 3.8 releases
19:48 sekjal I will consolidate my proposal as laid out here into an email to koha-discuss and koha-devel
19:47 Brooke hooray
19:47 Brooke #agreed further discussion of the RM slot is going to be move to the list
19:47 paul_p agred
19:46 mtj agreed
19:46 sekjal agreed
19:46 slef ok... I'll make more effort to catch up on list
19:46 Brooke are we agreed that this is moved to the list temporarily?
19:45 Brooke so
19:45 Brooke keep in mind, ye of incredible procrastination capacity, that 3.8 hits on 22 October, and we've KohaCon on the horizon.
19:45 paul_p yep, I think that too
19:45 sekjal Brooke: yes, that agenda item has already been covered to the poster's satisfaction
19:44 Brooke yes, that is a good idea
19:44 Brooke I also think this might be related to the numbering item that is next on the agenda
19:44 marcelr should be discussed further on ml?
19:44 Brooke I think we have to have a good think about the 3.8 / 4.0 thing
19:44 * oleonard gets his internet back
19:43 Brooke keeping in mind it's nominations
19:43 Brooke #topic Back to RM
19:43 Brooke I just wanted to get a few things off the list for morale
19:42 Brooke I'm going to assume there aren't too many folks that are interested and move back to the whole icky RM discussion, because I did say I'd go back
19:41 wizzyrea ^^
19:41 mtj i assume its creating .deb and .rpm files from koha releases
19:41 Brooke guess not
19:40 Brooke eythian in the house yet?
19:40 mtj the role of Packaging Manager
19:40 paul_p debian/RH/... packages ?
19:40 wizzyrea packaging manager
19:40 Brooke which role?
19:40 paul_p what does "packaging task" contain, exactly ?
19:39 mtj i have to assume here, that robin forgot to add himself for this role?
19:38 wahanui anything is possible with enough development work :)
19:38 Brooke anything?
19:38 Brooke #topic Mason James as Packaging Manager
19:38 Brooke #info Assistant QAs are slated as Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart
19:37 paul_p agreed
19:37 Brooke #info QA manager has Ian Walls
19:37 mtj no objection
19:37 cait no objection
19:37 sekjal no objection
19:37 wizzyrea none here
19:37 Brooke that said, any objections to having both Marcel and Jonathan Druart on the slate?
19:36 daniel_g ok, thanks
19:36 Brooke you can, but it's kind of silly. I've been putting up with it, because I think it's a good idea for a candidate to not be blindsided at an election.
19:35 sekjal I have no objections; as many helpers as I can get is a good thing
19:35 daniel_g can someone object to a nomination?
19:35 cait and what is involved doing the job
19:35 cait nominations... talking about plans and candidates I think
19:35 Brooke this is nominations.
19:35 Brooke Elections are in the beginning of October
19:35 daniel_g I'm unclear on the process going on here. I thought elections are in October. What is this?
19:35 cait sekjal++
19:35 cait no objections
19:35 marcelr ian++
19:35 Brooke on a related note: Ian, do you have a problem with 2 minions instead of just one?
19:34 slef Brooke: seems not
19:33 paul_p Everybody is a bug wrangler when he work on bz...
19:33 Brooke any objections with Ian?
19:33 slef oh I wondered why everyone was redirecting fd/3 online!
19:33 Brooke #topic QA Ian Walls
19:32 wizzyrea it's a heart, sideways
19:32 marcelr <3?
19:32 cait oh :)
19:32 Brooke which is why we <3 them marcel :)
19:32 wizzyrea ^^
19:32 marcelr katrin and magnus already do it, regardless of a formal role
19:31 cait wizzyrea++ :)
19:31 cait nengard: not thinking voting would me a difference here :)
19:31 * wizzyrea volunteers
19:31 wizzyrea *nod* got it
19:30 sekjal also linking 'depends on' and 'blocks' bugs, if possible
19:30 nengard sorry cait, wrong word i guess
19:30 Brooke wizzy, I'm taking my play on that from Magnus: Sign off patches, close bugs, keep an eye out for duplicates, help organize
19:28 Brooke #info Nicole C Engard is the Documentation Manager and also Documenting the DB
19:28 cait nominations
19:28 cait we are not voting today, are we?
19:28 wizzyrea define the job please?
19:27 Brooke prolly
19:27 Brooke cause we don't have a finite number of slots
19:27 nengard shouldn't we be doing #info for the voting?
19:27 Brooke Ima go with whoever wants it gets it
19:27 nengard okey dokey
19:27 Brooke Bug Wranglers
19:27 Brooke not hearing any so you're saddled for DB stuff too.
19:27 nengard I appreciate help even if it doesn't come to a positive result :)
19:27 nengard hehe
19:27 paul_p (dunno if she will find something though. Say awesome once she's found ;-) )
19:26 nengard awesome!!
19:26 paul_p yes, hdl told us. So she's looking for a solution/suggestion/idea to that.
19:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
19:26 nengard regarding db documentation bug 6716 tracks my work on that
19:26 Brooke Am I to assume there is also no objection to Documentation of the DB as Nengard too in 3.8?
19:26 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services #intro
19:26 nengard paul_p - i'd love a way to do that - but then links from section to section are much harder - which is why i haven't done it
19:26 paul_p that would be much esier for translators to deal with smaller files
19:25 Brooke we're adding more ha ha
19:25 ColinC +1
19:25 paul_p nengard, claire should catch you in the next weeks to see how it is possible to split the docbook in smaller parts
19:25 Brooke oh wait
19:25 Brooke ha ha sucker!
19:25 wizzyrea go go gadget nengard
19:25 daniel_g +1
19:25 marcelr +1
19:25 cait nengard++
19:25 jcamins_away +1
19:25 paul_p no objection
19:25 schuster nengard++
19:25 tajoli no
19:25 cait no objection
19:25 nengard LOL
19:24 Brooke any objections to Nengard being Documentation Manager for Life? (or at least 3.8?)
19:24 Brooke and if I don't honour it sufficiently, bring it up again next meeting :)
19:24 Brooke so if you think of summat, post it
19:24 Brooke the agenda is a wiki
19:24 Brooke also
19:23 sekjal and continue with the rest of this meeting's agenda
19:23 paul_p agreed
19:23 paul_p Brooke++
19:23 sekjal I move that we move discussion of the git submodule to the koha-devel list
19:23 paul_p workflow for translations / workflow for Koha
19:23 Brooke meetings are getting longish, and I think that's happening from folks getting slammed at work. Pop in, talk to each other more. Should make for shorter meetings and better communication.
19:23 slef I think you can shallow checkout if you want to save space.
19:23 fredericd so we would need to restart a new repo? I don't know
19:23 paul_p ie : you can push patches on the submodule, while the RM push on koha
19:23 paul_p that could help having ppl sumitting patches more easily
19:23 fredericd paul_p: you may be correct...
19:22 Brooke I'm going to put this out there in the big wide open
19:22 fredericd thd: yes
19:22 thd fredericd: Is the intent that for those who only want untranslated Koha they can avoid the larger size code base?
19:22 paul_p fredericd, not sure it will slim that much the repo size, as what has been put in is in the repo forever. even if removed from the tree
19:22 fredericd But it must be discussed first. I'm not sure it's a necessity.
19:22 fredericd I also would like to propose a solution to allow Perl command-line scripts translation: scripts like bulkmarcimport.pl or zebraidx.pl.
19:21 fredericd sekjal: I can't enter into technical details yet
19:21 paul_p maybe a thread to start on koha-devel ?
19:21 fredericd This will slim down git repository size
19:21 sekjal fredericd: yes, I'm curious about the git submodule set up you propose. I'm not sure this meeting is the most appropriate time to go into it, though
19:21 fredericd The big challenge will be to succeed to extract .po files from Koha main git repository and manage them in a git submodule.
19:21 fredericd As I explained on the wiki I would like to continue the task
19:21 nengard chris and paul said that i was doc manager until i died .... so i promise to continue doing my job for 3.8 :)
19:21 paul_p fredericd, the idea to remove po from main package I think
19:20 Brooke fredericd: yep
19:20 fredericd sekjal: as translation manager?
19:20 Brooke #topic Documentation Manager
19:20 thd sekjal: please ask about your curiosity while fredericd is here to answer
19:20 paul_p same for me. I like the idea ! (although technically, how to do it is another question, I agree)
19:20 cait i would be willing to assist
19:20 Brooke hearing none, I'm going to move down the slate to
19:20 Brooke k
19:19 cait no objection
19:19 thd Brooke: objections to fredericd are absent.
19:19 sekjal but I have no objection
19:19 paul_p fredericd++
19:19 sekjal Brooke: I'm curious about the technical details of Frédéric Demians' proposal
19:19 thd paul_p: I think that you should set ambitious goals and if they are all realised then that will be great. As long as we have a reasonable procedure for the quality and not abandoning users I am all for every possible great improvement.
19:18 mtj Brooke: no objections
19:18 paul_p TIMTOWTDI !
19:17 paul_p cait, if you convince me the plan you propose is better than mine, of course ! but if I still think my plan is better, then i'll continue to argue.
19:17 cait so you are willing to change plans eventually?
19:16 paul_p cait, i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-)
19:16 paul_p i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-)
19:16 mtj i think a smooth way to integrate solr ... would be to get Koha:Search:Zebra working first on 3.x
19:16 Brooke anyone have objections to Frédéric Demians?
19:15 cait paul_p: are you open to discuss points from your proposal and have the community vote on them?
19:15 cait sekjal: I agree with that too
19:15 paul_p nengard, I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things
19:15 nengard found it - (2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too.
19:14 thd sekjal: I prefer the way you put it last that we release what is ready without loosening standards
19:14 Brooke #topic Translation Manager
19:14 Brooke so
19:14 paul_p fredericd, yep. And it should be in english (for instance, docs are in french)
19:14 nengard paul_p ... i thought i read that ... now i'm confused so i'm going to read and stay quiet
19:14 sekjal thd: I feel that, yes, 1 year may be too short. I feel we should, as a community, define what features will make 4.0 first, and then start working on them
19:13 paul_p I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things
19:13 fredericd paul_p: Could it be available outside the code?
19:13 sekjal and, consequently, I do not think that it's necessary to loosen QA procedures on the road to 4.0, since we can release features as they're truly done and stable
19:13 slef Brooke: s/table/postpone/ :)
19:13 talljoy paulp: you did...(2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too.
19:13 paul_p (branch solR or something like that)
19:13 thd sekjal: Do you think that one year is too short for 4.0?
19:13 paul_p fredericd, git.biblibre.com
19:13 Brooke unless someone comes to summat brilliant in like 5 minutes.
19:12 fredericd Paul: Where is published the new search API implement by your SolR search engine?
19:12 Brooke I think we table this part.
19:12 Brooke over here.
19:12 paul_p nengard, did I said that ?
19:12 Brooke it's 3.12
19:12 Brooke so here's what I'm gonna say
19:12 ColinC but we arn't tied to that ... numbers are marketing making things dependent on a magic number holds things up
19:12 nengard paul you said you'd start 4.0 in november ... that's one month after we start 3.8
19:12 sekjal paul_p: I do not agree with the 1 year timeline for 4.0
19:12 paul_p sekjal, it's also my proposal. So I don't understand where our propositions differ ?
19:11 cait the question is how to make that happen
19:11 * Brooke throws up the horns!
19:11 cait I think we can agree to change to 4.0 once we have rewrote the search api for zebra and solr
19:11 Brooke 3 > 4 gamification!
19:11 paul_p ColinC, we use to change the 1st number when there is a major structural change 1=>2 = MARC 2=>3 = zebra
19:11 sekjal my proposal would have 3 main branches at once: 3.4.x, 3.6.x and master. this would change to 3.6.x, 3.8.x and master when 3.4 is EOLed
19:11 thd mtj++
19:11 ColinC ++mtj
19:10 cait paul_p: with ian's proposal we would not have diverging branches
19:10 mtj ... koha 4.0 should be released when its done
19:10 mtj i think we don't need to commit to a 4.0 release in 12 months, too
19:10 paul_p nengard, good point. and sekjal suggestion to have 3.10 / 3.12 ... while workin on 4.0 also has this kind of problem
19:10 ColinC yes
19:10 nengard ColinC you mean 4.0?
19:09 nengard just too much to maintain for our small group
19:09 ColinC and why 3.0 why not 3.10?
19:09 nengard right!
19:09 cait nengard: agreed - and maintenance for 3.4
19:09 nengard I have a hard enough time testing patches for one version at a time
19:09 nengard i'm not following everything we're talking about - but am i right in my understanding that we'd be working on 4.0 and 3.8 at the same time ... essentially creating forks of our own?
19:08 cait I like Ian's proposal better
19:08 cait it really worries me about Paul's proposal
19:08 cait and i think this is something we have to talk about
19:08 paul_p yep. brainstorm for, say, 2 months, then start works. And do works in //
19:08 slef paul_p: or you could start laying the ground as part of 3.8 and accept that maybe someone else will finish 4.0 or restart it. OK?
19:08 sekjal I feel that anything major enough to warrant a full version number jump is major enough to need as much community input as possible
19:08 marcelr i understand that he wants to run in parallel
19:07 sekjal nengard++
19:07 nengard can't we just brainstorm without an RM?
19:07 nengard Do we need an RM for 4.0 to start talking about what 4.0 is going to be?
19:06 paul_p I prefer saying things now.
19:06 paul_p Brooke, the problem here is that either I don't start 4.0 because i've not been elected or I start anyway hoping everybody will thank me at the end.
19:06 Brooke slef: I think that'd clear things up.
19:05 cait Brooke: I think we have to figure this out first before we can vote
19:05 slef yeah and I had no answer to the direct question: Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time?
19:05 Brooke cause our tiny brains can't handle it.
19:05 paul_p yep, I confirm it is.
19:05 Brooke I realise, but I'm sayin vote on one release at a time
19:04 paul_p so, my application is for both versions.
19:04 cait Brooke: I think it has to be clarified because Paul's proposal is for both
19:04 paul_p well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too.
19:04 Brooke I do not want to go for three.
19:04 Brooke and beaten once more
19:04 Brooke the horse has been beaten
19:04 Brooke you clarified
19:04 Brooke I never said it was for 4.0
19:04 Brooke It is for 3.8
19:04 paul_p tcohen++
19:04 slef ok, well, we wait and see... this vote should still be for 3.8 not 4.0 IMO
19:03 paul_p tajoli++
19:03 paul_p yep, definetly.
19:03 Brooke tajoli++
19:03 slef reading that message to see if I've misunderstood it
19:03 paul_p slef, nope, you misunderstand = we've redesigned the search API to have it modular. And we made the solR stuff (because it was sponsored), tajoli has started the zebra stuff
19:02 slef Not in the way you want. It sounds backwards. So the API has been designed for Solr and Zebra is being tacked on as an afterthought? I don't see why what works is being treated as second-class citizen.
19:01 paul_p (well, if you need more clarification, ask on koha-devel or the way you want)
19:01 paul_p slef, does it answer your concern ?
19:01 Brooke any further commentary?
19:01 Brooke cause there's a lot of side talk going on here
19:00 Brooke if you could go through the log, pick out what you've said, and post it, that'd be fab.
19:00 paul_p slef = Message-ID: <4E5E3F88.1070508@biblibre.com>
19:00 sekjal Brooke: I believe I have presented my proposal in it's entirety. I welcome any further feedback or requests for clarification
19:00 mtj the on e thing everyone agrees on is that the new Koha::Search code works with both solr and zebra
19:00 paul_p the API is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later
18:59 paul_p slef: our work on solr change a lot the internals of searching. tajoli & some others have started reintegrated zebra through this new API
18:59 tajoli The feature are over the API
18:59 tajoli Now Biblire has done a new API search on Solr. What we need to do is to develop the same API on Zebra
18:59 slef paul_p: maybe not. I'm struggling to follow the lists recently. Got message-id?
18:59 paul_p (s/can/must ;-) )
18:59 sekjal and then, yes, they would need to be aware that they'll either need to be on a fork for while, or possibly lose the feature if it never gets accepted
18:58 sekjal paul_p: your company can certainly make the contractual arrangements to have a feature on their server by X date
18:58 paul_p slef, have you seen my mail on koha-devel about the work some ppl are doing to have zebra reintegrated ?
18:58 tajoli Clerly not. The big work is to do is to add Zebra in parallel
18:57 schuster slef++
18:57 paul_p sekjal, what we say is "well, you get the feature X at the expected date, but we can't guarantee when it will be integrated in official Koha. So you may have to wait, or, even, have to abandon your feature. Or stay with your fork"
18:57 Brooke Sekjal: said your peace?
18:57 Brooke okay
18:57 slef ...so all this talk of "Solr changes everything in searching" is a bit scary.
18:57 cait tajoli: I can only tell from my experience, hebrew and roman letters work well for us
18:56 slef I don't feel that I have enough data on the wiki to vote for paul_p for 4.0 and I will not vote for manifesto-free candidates on principle. I'm concerned that Solr's larger server requirements don't compromise our happy Zebra users.
18:56 tajoli In fact Zebra support every alphabeth, but all in the same time !!
18:56 paul_p (once a library has adopted Koha it's usually different , fortunatly)
18:56 tajoli The problem is the mix of many alphabeths
18:55 paul_p that's why we develop on stable, then port on master
18:55 cait tajoli: we have pretty good experience with hebrew and german
18:55 slef sekjal: I think you mean the community's quality control.
18:55 paul_p in France, the RFP always says "i want this and that, and at this date"
18:54 paul_p sekjal, maybe in US you can explain, but in france, you can't !
18:54 wizzyrea ^^ a very good point
18:54 oleonard sekjal++
18:54 sekjal which could take longer
18:54 sekjal it must meet the community's guidelines and procedures
18:54 sekjal paul_p: library A needs to understand that just because they sponsor a change doesn't mean it will get into Koha on their schedule
18:54 cait and from the same base
18:54 paul_p we (biblibre) face this problem already for H:T:P and T:T
18:54 tajoli In fact Zebra is well for english data, not for a user of mine with greeck + arabic+armenian+ slavic
18:54 cait better bring it all together at one point in time
18:54 Brooke oleonard: if you're planning things out, usage consideration is part of that and might declutter some menus and such
18:54 ColinC tying a bunch of features to a magic number like 4.0 doesent necessarily work
18:53 paul_p and that will be a pain.
18:53 paul_p sekjal, suppose library A sponsor a feature, he will want it "asap". So on 3.x . you'll have to "rewrite" it for 4.0.
18:53 sekjal I would also like to see: arbitrary metadata formats, revist patron data structure, mobile templates
18:53 marcelr afraid so too
18:53 cait I am woried about having 2 branches, they will diverge pretty fast and be hard to bring together
18:53 cait I like sekjal's proposal
18:53 paul_p the move to Koha name space, solR, ...
18:53 sekjal I believe that Solr support is just one of the features that should be part of Koha 4.0
18:53 oleonard Brooke: ?
18:53 tajoli And Solr is for international support bugsù
18:52 paul_p well, I don't say "impossible", but I think it must be evaluated very carefully.
18:52 paul_p but I plan to do more !
18:52 Brooke sekjal: this sounds happy for interface design. Am I off?
18:52 paul_p tajoli++
18:52 tajoli IMHO label 4.0 is stritly connect with Solr. That is a big change. it is enough to change number
18:52 sekjal so the 'plumbing' changes can be done first, thus laying the groundwork for all the porcelain
18:51 sekjal paul_p: my hope is that in the stages where we identify the features for 4.0, we also identify the underlying structural changes common to all those features
18:51 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6854] import_borrowers.pl : Double password encryption on member update if there is no password in the csv and no default password value. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6854>
18:51 paul_p for example : the solR work changes everything in searching.
18:51 paul_p sekjal, except that if 4.0 include major structural changes, it will quickly be a pain
18:50 cait sekjal: ok, thx
18:50 thd sekjal: I suspect the actual development process depends more on what actually happens than any real overarching plan.
18:50 sekjal and would need to be rebased frequently
18:50 paul_p cait, I think you rise a good & major point
18:50 sekjal cait: features would all be on topic branches, based on master
18:50 cait and rebase those on current master for 4.0?
18:49 Brooke (Don't quite like the way that's phrased, so feel free to edit it. Just want to highlight the meat of this.)
18:49 sekjal we would continue on 3.X until all the features are developed for 4.0
18:48 Brooke #idea long term development goals coupled with short term release cycles
18:48 sekjal as we do with master currently
18:48 sekjal every 6 months, the features that are well tested and ready for inclusion could be released as part of the 3.X release cycle
18:48 sekjal these would be features that would be things we could reasonably expect to complete in the next year or two
18:47 cait let's answer one question after the other or this will all get very confusing in here
18:47 sekjal the community would get together and enumerate the features that would define Koha 4.0
18:47 Brooke ^
18:47 wizzyrea (I think he's still talking)
18:47 paul_p do you mean we would have 2 versions at the same time ?
18:46 paul_p what would be in 3.10, 3.12,... ?
18:46 sekjal meanwhile, starting early in the 3.8 release cycle
18:46 sekjal every 6 months
18:46 sekjal 3.8 to 3.10 to 3.12, etc
18:46 sekjal continue the 3.X release cycle on a timed basis
18:45 sekjal I would counterpropose this:
18:45 paul_p sekjal, why ?
18:45 sekjal but I disagree that Koha 4.0 should be time-released for 12 months after 3.6
18:45 sekjal I agree that we need to start thinking past the next timed release cycle
18:45 paul_p slef, my proposal is for both 3.8 and 4.0, as I think both must be started at the same time, as 4.0 is a "long term" change in my mind
18:44 Brooke discuss away
18:44 sekjal I have some discussion about paul_p's proposal I'd like to bring up
18:44 slef Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time?
18:44 oleonard I agree with slef.
18:44 marcelr i like his proposal; will be hard to realize probably, but we probably need more concensus on changing procedures?
18:44 paul_p thanks nengard & sekjal for adding you as doc & qa
18:44 Brooke any discussion?
18:44 slef I want to be clear that this is only for 3.8, not 4.0 too.
18:44 Brooke no one else for that
18:43 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8
18:43 nengard hehe
18:43 paul_p Top Sucker... not sure I'll like this name ;-)
18:42 Brooke aka RM
18:42 Brooke for Top Sucker I've Paul Poulain
18:42 paul_p it's like for me : all frenchies like escargots. I don't ;-)
18:42 Brooke Roles for 3.8 folks
18:42 Brooke back to work you
18:42 cait paul_p: I don't!
18:42 Brooke arright
18:42 nengard slef if i have to choose between the two ... but usually just fruity girly mixed drinks for me
18:42 wahanui beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
18:42 slef wahanui: beer?
18:42 paul_p (well, at least, that's what the world think ;-) )
18:42 Brooke (find beer replace chocolate)
18:41 wahanui wine is probably not usually the best for programming :)
18:41 slef nengard: wine?
18:41 sekjal paul_p: that link is to a message I sent out to the koha-devel list just after KohaCon '10
18:41 paul_p cait, but you're german, so you like beer !
18:41 nengard ick
18:41 * nengard is scared to admit that she does not like beer at all
18:41 cait um beer
18:41 cait only if you like bear
18:40 mtj #info beer > ++
18:40 paul_p about my other question (Koha namespace), i saw someone added a link on the wiki, i haven't read it yet
18:40 paul_p well, i promize to pay a beer during next hackfest in Marseille ;-)
18:40 Brooke #topic Roles for 3.8
18:39 Brooke just remember, beer > ++
18:39 Brooke magnuse++
18:39 mtj magnus++++!
18:39 paul_p definetly !
18:39 paul_p magnuse++
18:39 cait magnuse++ :)
18:39 Brooke morefun++
18:39 sekjal thd: there are ways to scramble behavior, too, but we'll get all that solved in the near future.
18:39 paul_p yep, and less conflicts, and more fun ;-)
18:38 marcelr it is a simplification; less rebasing needed
18:38 paul_p cait, you're right
18:38 cait only for developers - but this is a very good change
18:38 cait it doesn#t change anything for translators
18:37 cait paul_p: only one small thing
18:37 Brooke lessbugs++
18:37 thd sekjal: just remember that real anonymisation is a myth because behaviour can be identifying..
18:37 paul_p I hope i've been clear...
18:36 paul_p (previously, there was sometimes bugs because a syspref was not in the fr/syspref.sql file)
18:36 paul_p what is nice with this is that it will help translators, but also help having the same syspref loaded for everybody
18:36 paul_p the syspref file is now in misc/data/mysql/syspref.sql. If a specific syspref setup must be defined for a given language (like unimarc for frenchies), you still can have a fr/syspref.sql, that contains only UPDATE
18:35 * chris_n has whined for large, clean sets of demo data for years :-)
18:35 sekjal well, anonymized, or just wiped completely and reloaded with demo data
18:35 wizzyrea ^^
18:34 sekjal the current test data will be taken from the sponsoring libraries systems, and would need to be anonymized before letting other folks have access for testing
18:34 slef chris_n: ta
18:34 chris_n slef: blo/cri 3.4.x bugs now number 4... http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb
18:34 sekjal oleonard: patron data
18:34 wahanui privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time
18:34 oleonard sekjal: privacy issues?
18:33 paul_p thanks to magnus, we now have only one syspref.sql file, shared by all languages. located at (searching)
18:33 cait not having to edit a lot of sql files any longer, but only add new sysprefs to the en file
18:33 sekjal I'd like to open that to the community in general, once we can figure out the privacy issues to the libraries' satisfaction
18:33 cait will be simplified for developers
18:33 paul_p Since 3.4, the description is now stored in the template scope, no more in the SQL database. It means we don't need anymore to have a syspref.sql file defined for each language
18:33 sekjal rhcl: the Holds Rewrite is currently in the testing phase. ByWater Solutions is bringing up a test server to allow the sponsors to test the coded features against their own, familiar data
18:32 cait magnuse++
18:32 paul_p the patch for 6537 has been pushed. It means the syspref system will be simplified a lot for translators.
18:32 nengard i thnk there is a detailed rfc on the wiki ...
18:31 rhcl would anyone care to provide a bit of amplification on the holds rewrite if this is an appropriate time
18:31 Brooke go Paul :)
18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer
18:31 Brooke bug 6537
18:31 Brooke that said
18:30 Brooke well, we will keep working on our slow hunches, and if anyone has any bril ideas, start a wiki page, write em down, and flag stuff on the next agenda
18:30 marcelr i think so too
18:30 schuster I feel we have been here before too...
18:29 Brooke I get the sinking feeling this is a big procedure question and is like to be revisited. Anyone else think so?
18:28 paul_p http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.2/en/html/api/Bugzilla/WebService.html maybe
18:28 oleonard slef: Yeah, people can find stuff to do if they want to look for it. Most already have plenty to work on.
18:28 paul_p if anyone has a link about bz webservices,...
18:28 slef ultimately, it's not hard to find dusty bugs if any dev has time, is it?
18:27 paul_p Brooke, from Hugin side, probably. The question is also = what can bugzilla provide ?
18:26 oleonard Right, it's the author of the submitted patch who needs the reminder
18:26 sekjal we can set up Bugzilla to use Bug Whining to send emails out on a regular basis, with a list of bug reports meeting whatever saved search we like
18:26 cait I think don#t make it too much bot messages
18:26 marcelr who contacts the original author in order to get possible reply?
18:26 cait he already nags abou tneeds sign-off
18:26 Brooke like on GBSD?
18:25 Brooke can we programme Huginn to nag about dusty bugs?
18:25 cait perhps we should add the pending deadlines to the log?
18:25 Brooke #idea handle mouldy enhancements differently than mouldy bugs
18:24 paul_p (like : you're a french library, using unimarc, printing your itemcallnumber labels, on a A3 printer)
18:24 paul_p or a bug that happens only in a rare situation
18:24 cait or a feature not a lot of people use
18:23 paul_p you're probably right sekjal
18:23 sekjal then again, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, it must not be very bad
18:23 Brooke yep if it's divided into superceded for bugs that don't apply and abandoned for enhancements with no owner, might be clearer. Mebbe no.
18:23 cait sekjal: I like that idea
18:23 sekjal unfortunately, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, we won't get very far by assigning it
18:22 sekjal we could assign these enhancements a different Closed status for easy retrieval
18:22 slef paul_p: in debian, the QA team would ask for people to take them over I think
18:22 oleonard I agree with that proposal paul_p
18:22 paul_p superceded ?
18:22 Brooke for things that no longer apply
18:22 slef A small reminder: signer-offers please read the patch and make sure it doesn't introduce new bugs or include unrelated junk.
18:21 paul_p enhancements = close them after a toBeDefined time maybe
18:21 Brooke mebbe use superceded
18:21 paul_p bugfixes = keep them open, if the bug is still here, it's usefull
18:21 cait if the bug still remains someone else can work on it I would think
18:21 paul_p I feel the answer should be different for bugfixes and for enhancements
18:21 paul_p I wanted to ask : should we do something with "Failed QA" or "Does Not Apply" patches that seems "abandonned" by their original author ?
18:20 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [with a disembodied connection]
18:20 paul_p there are still some (i made one today. patch not sent yet)
18:19 paul_p theu number of T::T issues is decreasing.
18:19 schuster Thanks paul_p for the descriptive reasoning.. I have been busy with other things for a couple of months and didn't know if it was mainly Template Toolkit type stuff or just bad rebase.
18:19 paul_p (I mean "does not apply". Rough number given by "my feeling @", a trademark from me ;) )
18:19 sekjal patches from before the Template::Toolkit conversion in 3.4 are especially lengthy to rebase, as any interface changes must be redone in the new language
18:18 libsysguy ^^
18:18 paul_p from my experience, sometimes (maybe 60% of the time), it's easy to rebase. Sometimes (30%) it's tricky, and 10% it's hard (patch must be rewritten)
18:18 sekjal I will fail a patch in QA if it does not do what it proports to do, if it introduces other bugs or issues, or if it violates style guidelines
18:17 paul_p (dna anymore because other patches have been pushed and a rebase is needed)
18:17 nengard and what paul_p said about the other :)
18:17 sekjal given that this is a MAJOR change to many core modules, testing needs to be thorough and painstaking, lest we break library circulation
18:17 paul_p schuster: I think the main reason for does not apply is "does not apply anymore"
18:17 nengard if the patch doesn't fix the problem it fails
18:17 oleonard There's no main reason
18:17 nengard it totally depends on the patch
18:17 schuster What is the main reason for failed or does not apply?
18:16 sekjal so hourly loans are now onto the QA stage
18:16 paul_p #info 55 patches are "failed QA" and 44 are "does not apply"
18:16 libsysguy yes we are
18:16 sekjal This development has been signed off by libsysguy, who I believe is using the branch in production
18:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
18:16 Brooke bug 5549
18:15 sekjal so far, we have only had to revert one commit
18:15 Brooke hourly loans were one of Paul's questions, wanna go into gorey blow by blow detail?
18:15 Brooke #info 50 patches need QA, and around 80 needing signoff, get to gettin'.
18:15 sekjal major developments that are nearing fruition include Hourly Loans and the Holds Rewrite
18:15 paul_p and many "don't apply" or "failed QA" anymore (and that's a pity if it fixed a bug)
18:14 sekjal patches have been progressing through the process slowly but continuously
18:14 sekjal as mentioned a few lines early, we're at approximately 50 patches needing QA, and around 80 needing signoff
18:14 Brooke Ian's got the floor
18:14 Brooke hooray
18:14 * slef holds 3.6 down for sekjal to give it a damn good talking to
18:13 sekjal Brooke: I think I can speak a bit to 3.6
18:13 chris_n it probably can be closed
18:13 Brooke anyone not named Paul wanna do the update on 3.6 so Paul can ask questions.
18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
18:13 chris_n bug 5995 has been back ported to both 3.2.x and 3.4.x btw
18:13 * slef gets out of the way before Brooke runs him over
18:13 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
18:12 slef cait: ok, later
18:12 cait slef: i signed off the first patch, but not sure how to reproduce the problem for the secon dpatch
18:12 slef yeah, OK. Eyeballs are good but we're being too slow
18:12 cait slef: ther eis an open question for the follow up
18:11 Brooke we can get this stuff asynchronously
18:11 sekjal 54 bugs awaiting QA (no blockers, no critical, 5 major). 81 bugs needing signoff (no blockers, 3 critical, 8 major)
18:11 Brooke movin' on
18:11 Brooke #help bug 6292
18:11 sekjal 1 blocker, 1 critical, 4 major are Failed QA
18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
18:11 slef bug 6292 is critical, needs signoff - anyone want to do it?
18:11 chris_n some look like they should be closed, but have not been
18:10 slef #link http://s.coop/koha34status
18:10 slef just recreated my table
18:10 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, sorry to be a little bit late
18:10 chris_n it looks like some have failed QA
18:09 chris_n patch-sent rather
18:09 paul_p (changing my internet provider at home... just today...)
18:09 Brooke #link http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb
18:09 chris_n seven are marked patch-submitted
18:09 chris_n you may see them here: http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb
18:09 chris_n according to BZ there are 12
18:09 paul_p hello, sorry to be a little bit late.
18:07 chris_n slef: one moment
18:07 slef any blockers or critical bugs chris_n?
18:07 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil
18:06 slef #info a bunch of work pushed for 3.4.5, on track to release 22nd, plans to continue monthly until things slow down
18:06 Brooke okie dokie, any questions for Chris?
18:06 cait chris_n++
18:05 chris_n and thats it for me
18:05 chris_n a bunch of work has been pushed for 3.4.5
18:05 chris_n and take a vote at the nearest meeting
18:05 chris_n we'll announce EOL
18:05 chris_n once things slow down
18:05 Brooke outstanding
18:04 chris_n plans are to continue releases on a monthly basis as long as work is being done which applies to the 3.4.x branch
18:04 Brooke #topic 3.4 Roadmap
18:04 chris_n everything is on track for the release of 3.4.5 on the 22nd of this month
18:04 nengard hi nancyk!
18:04 * slef hands Brooke a #topic
18:04 chris_n ok
18:03 Brooke Roadmap to 3.4 Chris :)
18:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
18:03 Brooke Haere Mai, let's get started :D
18:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:02 slef rhcl: happens to us all
18:02 mtj #info Mason James, KohaAloha NZ
18:02 schuster #info David Schuster, Plano ISD, Texas
18:02 lastnode #info Mahangu Weerasinghe, Sri Lanka
18:02 rhcl #info Greg Lawson (May have to step out shortly)
18:01 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe
18:01 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 Quality Assurance Manager
18:01 nengard #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions
18:01 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
18:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime
18:01 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler
18:01 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4 Release Maintainer
18:01 daniel_g #info Daniel Grobani, Samuel Merritt University
18:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands
18:01 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop
18:01 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, NEKLS
18:01 nancyk Hi Brooke
18:01 Brooke feel free to introduce yerselves with #info
18:01 Brooke Howdy, Welcome
18:00 nancyk Hi, just testing...first time...Washoe County Library, Reno
18:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 7 18:00:21 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00 Brooke #startmeeting
17:59 libsysguy haha you're probably right...maybe I just had a moment of clarity
17:59 schuster I don't know you well enough to answer that comment yet! LOL!!!
17:57 libsysguy sweet im glad im not crazy
17:57 schuster libsysguy - yep that was the default mine was at 9998
17:56 jwagner whatever :-)
17:55 libsysguy so i guess that is what it is
17:55 libsysguy hmm the port for mine says 9998
17:55 chris_n heya cait
17:55 cait hi chris_n
17:55 chris_n if you have not changed it from the install default
17:54 jwagner default port is usually 210 -- you might need to open your firewall
17:54 chris_n libsysguy: biblios
17:54 libsysguy oh ok cool
17:54 jwagner <database>koha_db</database>
17:53 jwagner libsysguy, the database name should be in your $KOHA_CONF file -- look for the line that looks like this:
17:52 libsysguy does anybody know what I should tell them
17:52 libsysguy so refworks says they need a database name to target the z39.50 server
17:50 lastnode including postfix
17:50 lastnode and thank you very much for helping with the sysadmin stuff yesterday
17:50 lastnode jcamins_away: hi! didnt see you earlier. just thought id say we started the koha pilot at my school today
17:49 libsysguy aww no jcamins
17:49 * jcamins_away offers his apologies for missing the meeting- he has to get on the subway now, and won't be getting off the subway for another hour or so.
17:47 * Brooke imagines the demand for coffee in eNZed is even higher than average today.
17:46 schuster Ah better.
17:45 schuster Hey all... I might drop out and come back in on another chat client.
17:45 daniel_g hi schuster!
17:45 daniel_g i think this might be the first irc meeting i've attended in realtime
17:44 cait same here - busy but good
17:44 daniel_g i'm good, thanks! busy, but good. how are you??
17:44 cait how are you?
17:44 daniel_g to check out what was on the other side?
17:44 daniel_g hi!
17:44 cait hi daniel :)
17:43 lastnode why did the librarian cross teh road?
17:43 daniel_g howdy
17:38 cait :)
17:38 * lastnode is prepared to read fast
17:38 lastnode cait: ive sat in on foss meetings before (wordpress, ubuntu), so i kinda know the format.
17:37 cait first time can be a bit confusing, prepare to read fast :)
17:35 lastnode or contribute. just happpened to be up so thought id hang around
17:35 lastnode yeah np, i dont think ill have much to add
17:35 cait worst
17:34 cait so this is probably the worse time for you
17:34 cait we shift the meetings around by 8 hours
17:34 cait makes sense
17:34 lastnode to prep for class etc.
17:33 lastnode that's late bc i wake up at 5am
17:33 cait oh
17:33 lastnode 11pm atm
17:33 cait lastnode: how late is it for you?
17:30 * lastnode is still up
17:26 cait getting full here :)
17:25 ColinC Hi
17:23 cait hi ColinC
17:23 cait 18 utc
17:23 jcamins_away Ah.
17:23 cait but my timezone calculations are not always correct
17:23 cait I think in 40
17:23 cait hm
17:22 jcamins_away Was there supposed to be a meeting 20 minutes ago?
17:20 Brooke :)
17:20 cait hi Brooke
17:18 Brooke kia ora
17:17 nengard in the pipe
17:17 nengard the images are showing a bit ... hope that doesn't break things
17:17 sekjal wizzyrea: you speak true
17:16 wizzyrea only a small amount left to raise iirc
17:16 wizzyrea actually I happen to know it's in funding talks
17:15 wizzyrea I tease :)
17:15 wizzyrea so how about that receipts rewrite >.>
17:15 sekjal the only way to change the font back to 14px is to alter print.css or the template page
17:15 wizzyrea *nod* for speed, probably
17:14 sekjal wizzyrea: no, the CSS and JS sysprefs are both left out of the receipt templates
17:13 slef well done nengard :) I'll hide
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
17:13 wahanui sekjal: that doesn't look right
17:13 sekjal change was made as part of bug 6291
17:13 wizzyrea oh there was someone complaining about including a <script> tag on the receipts
17:12 cait if not perhaps we should make it
17:12 wizzyrea nm, I can look
17:12 wizzyrea sekjal: yea, does it include intranetuserjs?
17:12 cait or 49 minutes
17:12 cait in another hour
17:11 wizzyrea *nod*
17:11 nengard are we supposed to be meeting?
17:11 nengard it appears to be working: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs
17:11 nengard hmmm
17:11 sekjal wizzyrea: tricky, since that page does not include intranetusercss (as far as I recall)
17:10 wizzyrea now how to make it big again.
17:09 wizzyrea humbug, ok ty
17:09 sekjal print.css changed from 14px to 12px, I believe
17:09 sekjal wizzyrea: yes, font size changed on receipts
17:08 wizzyrea apparently "all of a sudden" the text on the receipts here is "too small"
17:07 cait I am not aware of it
17:07 wizzyrea lately?
17:07 wizzyrea did we change the font size on the receipts?
17:06 wizzyrea http://pipes.tigit.co.uk/?p=54
17:06 wizzyrea but I did find this
17:06 wizzyrea I don't recall that :/
17:04 nengard wizzyrea are you the one who helped me with my yahoo pipe? removing images?
17:00 wizzyrea I will post it in the report wiki if/when I get it figured out
17:00 wizzyrea ty for thinking on it
17:00 wizzyrea cait: it's all good
16:46 nengard_lunch someone helped me put that image bit in .. i don't remember who :)
16:46 jcamins_away But once I marked everything old as read, it seemed to be happy again.
16:46 nengard_lunch k - anyone here who knows something - help woudl be appreciated
16:46 jcamins_away I don't know anything about Yahoo Pipes.
16:46 nengard_lunch the source is published you should be able to see it
16:46 nengard_lunch if you know pipes, it's the part that's removing the images that's broken
16:45 nengard_lunch i can't figure out how to fix it though
16:45 nengard_lunch slef told me
16:45 jcamins_away nengard_lunch: okay, good.
16:45 nengard_lunch jcamns i know
16:42 oleonard libsysguy: You could hide it with CSS: span.no-image { display: none; }
16:42 jcamins_away nengard_lunch: errr... the Koha RSS feed appears to have flipped out.
16:41 cait lastnode: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_September_2011
16:40 oleonard libsysguy: The no cover image markup is generated by javascript
16:40 cait wizzyrea: makes it a little hard to figure it out for you right now :(
16:40 cait wizzyrea: I have only very minimal data in this database
16:39 cait lastnode: there is also an agenda for tonight's meeting
16:39 cait lastnode: they are all on the wiki - search for irc meetings
16:38 libsysguy i don't see where it gets assigned in CSS so am I just missing it somewhere
16:38 libsysguy and i am failing fantastically
16:38 libsysguy ok so i was trying to hide the no cover image available icon with some javascript
16:37 oleonard trea: I suppose it depends on whether it's more efficient in the code and/or in performance.
16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
16:36 cait lol, now my dinner ended up on bugzilla - bug 6488
16:36 trea in that case would you be better off using an IN function?
16:36 oleonard WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR foo = 'bat' OR foo = 'blah')
16:34 trea ie, WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR 'bat' OR 'blah')
16:33 trea can you use multiple OR statements in your WHERE clause?
16:32 lastnode it's already 10pm :(
16:32 * lastnode ponders staying up
16:31 lastnode can someone link me to past logs of meetings?
16:31 * wizzyrea goes back to the drawing board.
16:31 wizzyrea hmm. that report never finished I must have sent it into the void.
16:30 cait my next victim to be made hungry arrived...
16:28 oleonard Mmm... Eating.
16:27 cait eating right now
16:27 cait thx
16:27 cait hehe
16:26 wizzyrea :)
16:26 wizzyrea don't burn it :P
16:26 wizzyrea cait, reminder: your dinner!
16:25 wizzyrea :)
16:25 wizzyrea extremely very not good
16:25 wizzyrea extremely.
16:25 cait would be not nice to give their data to that unique managmeent thing :)
16:25 wizzyrea good pt
16:25 wizzyrea hmm
16:24 cait what if they accrued the 25$ yesterday
16:24 cait perhaps yo need another time limit
16:24 cait I was thinking
16:24 cait hm
16:24 cait found noone in my database - but that's not surprising :)
16:24 wizzyrea good thing I have a replica :P
16:24 cait ah
16:24 wizzyrea yet
16:24 wizzyrea am not sure
16:24 wizzyrea it's still running, so I
16:24 cait wizzyrea: does it work?
16:21 wizzyrea which is where what I just pasted came from
16:21 wizzyrea basically taking their work and adapting it
16:20 wizzyrea but ty, I know of several other places that have done it, but their workflows are different from what we want
16:20 wizzyrea on the github link. Oh well.
16:20 wizzyrea 404 on the link *shrug*
16:19 wizzyrea it's running now
16:18 cait wizzyrea: have you tested it?
16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3490 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Billing Notice/Debt Collect
16:18 jwagner wizzyrea, see bug 3490 -- we wrote and released scripts for billing notice and debt collect to work with Unique Management
16:18 cait ah :)
16:18 rhcl "Tell me what you know about SQL." This is a beginning tech position, I won't ask them to actually construct a series of nested joins.
16:18 cait I meant rhcl interview question :)
16:17 wizzyrea s/tna/than
16:17 wizzyrea selecting borrowers with no payments in 60 days, and more tna $25 in fines
16:17 cait ah, and what is the question? :)
16:16 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "something like this?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31
16:13 rhcl I'm preparing to do interviews for a new tech assistant and I'm building a new question list.
16:12 wahanui rhcl is gonna beat up on an ibot, if it's not careful.
16:12 cait rhcl?
16:12 rhcl ah, thanks, another interview question
16:12 fcapo fredericd: Ok, thanks a lot for your help.
16:11 cait should learnmore about what makes mysql happy sometime
16:11 cait like borrowernumber in /not in
16:11 cait most of the time I use the pk
16:11 fredericd fcapo: yes, no problem
16:11 slef yes, as usually you only put a few columns in subqueries
16:11 cait it's always my fault *sniff*
16:10 fcapo fredericd: So, will it be possible to base the 3.6 fr-CA on the 3.6 fr-FR when Koha 3.6.0 arrives?
16:10 cait would you agree with that?
16:10 slef it's cait's fault, talking about dinner. Now I'm hungry.
16:10 cait i did a course on sql a while back and was told subqueries can be faster than joins, depending on what you do
16:10 cait hm yum
16:10 slef be careful with how many subqueries you do and what they are, else it will eat your database server's CPU for breakfast and wash it down with disk space
16:09 cait ok
16:09 wizzyrea I will paste them back in a sec
16:09 wizzyrea let me see if I can mash these together
16:09 cait I like sub queries... slef: why ugly?
16:09 wizzyrea ok, one sec
16:09 wizzyrea nice
16:09 wizzyrea oooo
16:09 cait it's along what I would have suggested :)
16:09 wizzyrea cait, one moment
16:09 wizzyrea slef: I will try that!
16:08 slef just OTTOMH, not tested, not sure if mysql has odd syntax for that sort of thing
16:08 wizzyrea yes, that would be best
16:08 slef wizzyrea: Is this SQL? Ugly way: put "AND borrowerid IN (SELECT borrowerid [your fine total query])" into the WHERE of your no payments SELECT.
16:08 cait pastebin? :)
16:08 cait ok
16:07 wizzyrea and it would be nice to mash them together
16:06 wizzyrea but I've got them in separate reports
16:06 wizzyrea no payments in last 60 days (possibly figured this one out)
16:06 wizzyrea fine total over $25 (I think I figured this out)
16:06 wizzyrea exactly
16:06 cait so you need a list of borrowers and fines that meet some special requirements?
16:05 cait ah ok
16:05 wizzyrea it's the company that does the chasing down of delinquent patrons
16:05 wizzyrea there are a few requirements, some of which I've figured out
16:05 cait unique management?
16:05 wizzyrea based on their fines
16:05 cait hehe
16:04 wizzyrea so NEKLS has some libraries that want to do Unique management. They want to send people to collections
16:04 nengard thanks
16:04 nengard bug updated
16:04 * wizzyrea settles down on the psychiatrists couch
16:04 nengard k
16:03 cait it will take alittle longer - tell me about your problem :)
16:03 cait wizzyrea: it's ok
16:03 cait nengard: I agree - should be hidden everywhere or it will only be confusing :)
16:03 wizzyrea make it so, nengard ;)
16:03 sekjal consistency
16:03 sekjal yes, if it's hidden in the OPAC, that should be on search results, details, Lists, etc.
16:03 wizzyrea I can ask you after you eat :)
16:02 slef I think it should be hidden on all OPAC searches, not on intranet
16:02 wizzyrea ooo no, dinner is important
16:02 oleonard Agreed.
16:02 cait wizzyrea: here now, but have to be careful to not burn my dinner
16:02 wizzyrea what's the point of hiding it if it's not hidden
16:02 wizzyrea ^^
16:01 nengard i think if it's hidden it should be hidden
16:01 nengard i don't want to make a decision alone
16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
16:01 nengard bug 6488 can anyone think of a reason that the hidden items should show on the search results and not the bib detail?
16:01 fcapo I guess fr-CA 3.4 will stay unchanged
16:00 fredericd And for 3.4?
16:00 fcapo fredericd: Not now. I said we would base it on 3.6, since our clients will go with the 3.6 version
15:59 fredericd fcapo: To be sure not to do a mistake: you ask me to base 3.4 fr-CA .po files on their fr-FR current counterpart? and load them on Pootle?
15:57 fcapo fredericd: Then, you're free to rebase fr-FR off of fr-CA anytime.
15:56 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6836] jQuery plugin Datatables integration <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6836> / [Bug 6838] Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6838>
15:56 fcapo fredericd: To answer your fr-CA question : If fr-CA can be based on the 3.6.0 fr-FR, we will do what we can to translate what's left to translate in the staff interface. I can't really give a schedule, but we will need a working fr-CA for the end of november.
15:53 wizzyrea well "require..." your cleverness would be appreciated ^.^ with cookies.
15:53 wizzyrea i require your sql brilliance :)
15:52 wizzyrea cait - about?
15:49 wizzyrea *nod*
15:49 lastnode meetng in 2 hours?
15:36 * wizzyrea happened to be poking around in that section just yesterday
15:35 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget
15:35 sekjal http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/systemfaq.html
15:35 libsysguy but i think i found out what i was doing wring int he conf file
15:35 libsysguy ok ill keep looking
15:34 wizzyrea yea, i'm SURE I saw it in the manual
15:33 sekjal libsysguy: it should be in the manual, yes. if not, you just need to uncomment the 'publicserver' configs in koha-conf.xml, and restart Zebra
15:33 libsysguy but I don't see anything on being a target
15:33 libsysguy it says how to set up targets
15:32 wizzyrea libsysguy I think it's in the manual
15:31 jcamins_away Search the wiki?
15:31 jcamins_away I don't know, actually.
15:31 jcamins_away Hm. I don't know anything about setting up Z39.50 servers.
15:31 zipporah Thanks very much. I have seen how it works and we shall just do it right away. Bye for now.
15:30 libsysguy is there any documentation on how to set up the z39.50 search server for outside access?
15:29 libsysguy i know that i have the right ports opened on the firewall
15:29 libsysguy well that is what they were trying to do
15:28 jcamins_away libsysguy: did you confirm that you can connect to the Z39.50 server from outside the firewall?
15:28 libsysguy and I think my config might be wrong
15:28 jcamins_away I don't know anything about how it works.
15:28 wizzyrea from what I can tell, accountlines.date is the date the fine or payment is made, without the timestamp. The timestamp is the actual time.
15:28 libsysguy yeah they keep trying to connect but keep failing
15:28 jcamins_away libsysguy: yeah, RefWorks might be able to use a Z39.50 server.
15:27 libsysguy and if they would allow us to set it up we should use that instead of RIS
15:27 libsysguy jcamins weren't you telling me something about refworks and a z39.50 server
15:26 reiveune bye
15:23 cait zipporah: you woul dhave to run a script too - batch edit will take care of everything
15:22 cait zipporah: the problem is you can't do it easily with sql only in 3.2
15:21 wizzyrea good luck :)
15:21 zipporah I am very new to Koha. I will look at it and I will let you know of my progress on that. Regards.
15:20 fcapo fredericd: Our plan is to switch our clients directly to version 3.6 when it is ready, so can't we just contribute on fr-FR while waiting for the string freeze, then base fr-CA on fr-FR around the 3.6.0 release? The fr-CA specific modifications would stay on fr-CA.
15:19 wizzyrea under more -> tools
15:19 wizzyrea zipporah: have you looked at the batch item processing at all?
15:19 zipporah I wonder if I have put my question clear!
15:17 zipporah We are using Koha 3.2 from livecd.
15:17 zipporah frederic, would you be a good SQL or MySQL programmer to help me with an SQL code to change the "ordered" status to "available" on a lot of books instead of looking for them manually?
15:14 fredericd cait: yes
15:14 cait fredericd: do you have a min?
15:13 cait :)
15:13 wizzyrea cool
15:13 cait wizzyrea: batch is 3.2
15:13 zipporah Have I put the question straight?
15:11 zipporah We have just installed Koha 3.2 livecd.
15:11 wizzyrea well, that would be on 3.4
15:11 fredericd The question is : will you translate all staff interface and how long will it take?
15:11 wizzyrea More -> Tools
15:11 wizzyrea zipporah: have you investigated the batch modification
15:10 fredericd Then you work on fr-CA OPAC language tweaking and you translate staff. As soon as you finished staff translation I base fr-FR staff on you version and we tweak it for French librarians...
15:10 zipporah Friends, can you help me with an SQL code that can help to reverse "Ordered" indicator on hundreds of books to allow for available status. The was a mistake when manually catoging them.
15:09 fredericd fcapo: We can base fr-CA on fr-FR 3.4 current .po files. You will get a fully translated OPAC interface and preferences. It remains an important work on staff interface
15:04 trea can someone explain what accountlines.date and accountlines.timestamp are recording, and the difference between the two?
15:00 fcapo fredericd: Our clients want a fully translated fr Koha, but with some terms changed for the french-canadian context. They also now want to share those changes with the community. Any ideas on how we could do that without causing a duplication of efforts?
14:58 slef yikes, meetings have just stolen my Thursday
14:55 Agent_Dani Which is doubly fun - I got in at 06:45 today and I have a class at 19:30 so it will be too late for me to go home for a while before class. :-\
14:54 fcapo fredericd: Ok, that's what I thought...
14:54 * Agent_Dani realizes she has a meeting scheduled until 17:00 today...
14:51 fredericd fcapo: From 3.2 to 3.4, the switch to Template Toolkit implies that a LOT of string that were translated have to be retranslated... So in any case, even if we try to base 3.4 .po file on you 3.2 fr-CA translation, I'm sure we will reach almost the same (poor) result
14:49 * jcamins_away doesn't actually know what most of the websites he reads regularly look like.
14:48 fcapo We had our own 3.2 fr-CA translation, but our file has a lot of new string that can't apply for a clean 3.4 Koha.
14:46 jcamins_away Yup.
14:46 oleonard ebooks have so many rant-worthy attributes.
14:46 nengard i'm the same :)
14:46 nengard i totally understand
14:45 oleonard nengard: I usually read your posts in RSS, so I missed it!
14:45 fredericd Do you have other .po files for 3.2?
14:45 * Agent_Dani finds that to be her usual state at oh-dark-thirty. :)
14:44 fredericd fcapo: fr-CA 3.4 is based on last .po files from 3.2 git version
14:44 nengard woke up annoyed
14:44 nengard :)
14:44 nengard i guess you all saw my rant
14:44 nengard got it :)
14:43 jcamins_away nengard: the last time I looked at your site was probably around when I first met you.
14:43 nengard it's been that way for at least a year now ....
14:43 nengard since when?
14:43 nengard huh?
14:40 fcapo Another translation question : the fr-CA language for 3.4 just got created on translate.koha-community.org , but its translations are way out of date. Can I base the fr-CA translation off of the existing fr-FR translation?
14:39 hdl sekjal: pazpar2 is tester
14:38 jcamins_away Huh. So she has.
14:35 * oleonard hadn't noticed nengard redesigned her site...
14:33 kf fcapo: try sending a mail to the translation list
14:33 kf no, the files can be updated
14:31 fcapo hello, is it possible to port a .po translation file from version 3.2 to 3.4, or do I need to start from a new file?
14:28 trea o/
14:26 Agent_Dani \o
14:10 jcamins_away That's it.
14:10 wizzyrea ^^
14:10 sekjal jcamins_away: pazpar2
14:09 jcamins_away I have no idea if it works- I've never heard of anyone using it.
14:09 jcamins_away I forget what it's called, but Koha has a built-in federated search plugin.
14:09 jcamins_away Maybe the federated search thingy could do it?
14:08 rhcl searching on DSpace would probably require opening the OPAC view in a browser
14:06 kf hm
14:06 rhcl So conceptually, you might search on Koha, get results from both db's, and links to DSpace would either pull up the document if stand alone, or open DSpace for the viewer
14:06 trea roy merritt
14:06 kf what would... do?
14:05 trea WWRMD?
14:04 rhcl federated search on both Koha and DSpace. Interesting
13:23 rhcl I just put a pot of coffee on to brew...I'll settle down in a while
13:23 rhcl ain't I though?
13:23 oleonard You're feeling cheeky this morning rhcl
13:21 rhcl I'm not even sure what they're nominating for, but my vote is for sale anyway
13:21 rhcl less than an hour, but this is a nominations meeting so I don't really know about it
13:20 lastnode how long do tehy usually go on for?
13:20 lastnode anyway brb a few hours, hopefully ill stay awake for teh meeting :)
13:20 lastnode has the US national debt been resolved?
13:17 rhcl is bitcoin still in business?
13:17 rhcl mybigmoney@netscape.net
13:16 lastnode and do you accept bitcoin?
13:16 lastnode rhcl: paypal address?
13:16 wahanui i guess lastnode is an english teacher from sri lanka
13:16 oleonard Yes, lastnode
13:16 rhcl yes, but a preregistration free of $5 US needs to be paypal'ed to me
13:16 lastnode is anyone allowed for the meeting?
13:16 lastnode oh
13:15 rhcl stupid bot
13:15 wahanui it has been said that topic is wrong. :)
13:15 rhcl wahanui: topic?
13:15 rhcl stupid bot
13:15 wahanui i don't know, rhcl
13:15 rhcl wahanui: meeting time?
13:15 rhcl wahaui: meeting time?
13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5916] Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5916>
12:44 kf yay
12:42 lastnode kf: we started adding books to our koha install today
12:42 kf it's a very nice neglected blog :)
12:37 oleonard oleonard's much-neglected blog.
12:37 wahanui OK, kf.
12:37 kf wahanui: oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha
12:36 kf owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/
12:36 wahanui kf: I forgot owen's blog
12:36 kf forget owen's blog
12:36 wahanui i heard owen's blog was a good starting point
12:36 kf owen's blog?
12:36 kf owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/
12:35 kf opac customization?
12:35 kf hm.
12:35 wahanui well, owen's blog is a good starting point
12:35 kf owen's blog?
12:35 kf lastnode: owens blog is a good source for customizing the templates
12:33 lastnode nvm
12:33 lastnode oh right, i see the settings in System Prf
12:32 lastnode html/css etc
12:32 lastnode anyone know anything about koha frontend templates?
12:25 kf hi oleonard
12:22 oleonard Hi #koha
12:16 * jwagner likes peace and quiet....
12:16 nengard morning
12:14 kf yes
12:11 paul_p Very quiet channel today...
12:11 hdl hi
11:27 Brooke 0/
09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6750 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Guarantor search broken on translated templates
09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6256 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Many bib1 attributes missing
09:52 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates
09:52 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing
09:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #405: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/405/
09:43 lastnode *zebra wasnt enabled by default, said lastnode, untangling himself
09:41 lastnode for some reason zeba ewasnt enable dby default
09:41 lastnode thanks rangi
09:41 lastnode .thanks rangi
09:07 jenkins_koha Starting build 405 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 19 j ago)
09:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f64aaf063ea39b70c6f128d74d296566a021d217> / Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d8b1713da45ca82d67668a00bd345d9fcead717>
08:41 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473>
08:20 rangi sudo koha-list --enabled
08:20 rangi you can check your instance is enabled by runing
08:18 rangi in there is the command to rebuild the indexes
08:18 rangi there should be a file koha-common
08:17 rangi lastnode: look in /etc/cron.d
07:56 kf I found this on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related
07:56 lastnode kf how can se eif zebraserv is running
07:56 kf and you can still not search?
07:56 kf and indexing is needed to of course
07:56 kf zebrasrv needs to be running to make search work
07:55 lastnode and it didnt give me any error logs
07:55 kf that sounds about right
07:55 lastnode koha-zebra-rebuild etc
07:55 kf ok
07:55 lastnode kf: i just ran koha-zebra-start
07:55 kf I am not sure how to setup the indexing cronjobs with the packages
07:55 kf ah ok
07:55 lastnode kf: this si the first record
07:54 kf no to both?
07:54 lastnode if i go directly to /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=1 i can see it
07:54 lastnode kf: no
07:54 kf lastnode: can you search for other records?
07:54 kf lastnode: you can't search for the record?
07:50 paul_p lastnode, I don't use debian package, so I don't know (we have developed our tools a long time ago, and still using them)
07:49 lastnode paul_p: i cant even findteh biblio from inside the e staff client
07:49 lastnode paul_p: using debian packages so koha-rebuild-zebra i guess?
07:48 paul_p yes, after adding item/biblio, rebuild_zebra.pl -z is your friend
07:48 lastnode hi paul_p
07:47 paul_p lastnode (hello)
07:47 wahanui i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss
07:47 lastnode paul_p: kf?
07:44 lastnode koha-rebuild-zebra?
07:44 lastnode how do i get it t show up
07:44 lastnode on a biblio
07:44 lastnode after adding an item
07:29 paul_p (good afternoon Oceania)
07:29 paul_p good morning Europe
07:26 kf morning paul_p
07:18 kf hi #koha
07:03 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6680] Cart download choices not understandable to patrons <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6680>
06:56 francharb hi
06:56 francharb h
06:48 hdl hi all
06:37 reiveune hello
06:19 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6851] A utility that will search out analytics records and set the MARC header appropriately. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6851>
06:12 alex_a hello
06:12 cait dentist :( cya
05:51 eythian that too
05:51 cait and a plugin to populate the 001
05:50 eythian that'd be good, yeah
05:50 cait a plugin to search for anothr record to link with like searching for an authority would be nice
05:50 cait our libraries use the union catalog software for cataloging, so I have not dealt with that part
05:50 eythian it will. I told them how to set it up by hand, and that's fine. It's just too many records to manually change the headers, so I'm automating that step.
05:50 cait a little more support by plugins in cataloging woul dbe nice
05:49 cait I thin it will work
05:49 eythian this library wants to use it to catalogue songbooks, and files of newspaper clippings, and such.
05:49 cait makes it even stranger :)
05:49 cait we have not only analytics, but also set records for multi-volume things
05:48 cait I was not sure if anyone else will want to use this
05:48 eythian OK. Most of the MARC standard is pretty strange to me.
05:48 cait yes, i tried to keep as close to the standard as possible
05:47 eythian ah yeah. I assume they are to the standard, because they seem pretty strange to me.
05:46 cait for the analytics link and checks for the headers
05:45 eythian for which?
05:45 cait you can blame me for that
05:45 * cait nods
05:44 eythian So that Koha will actually show the links at all.
05:44 eythian yeah. Now I'm just working on having a script edit the headers so that if they are linked up, they have the right types set.
05:43 cait yep, standard says to use control number for linking
05:43 eythian I autogenerated one on importing the records, as it needed one to hook up analytics, and it was coming from a not-very-MARC-supporting system.
05:43 cait since controlnumber is used for linking records some people have asked for a plugin
05:42 eythian ah right
05:42 eythian (and unlikely to cause issues with what I'm doing)
05:42 cait and then 004 shows where the number comes from
05:42 eythian ah, my import will always create an 024$a, so I can tell that it's not my data, so not my problem :)
05:42 cait I think it's only populated if you download the file from somewhere
05:41 cait it doesn't
05:41 cait no
05:40 eythian (I'm seeing a number of records that have 020$a, 245$a, 999$c and $d, and nothing else. It's odd.)
05:39 eythian when cataloguing in Koha, does it automatically populate the 001 control field?
05:07 rangi this driver thinks he is in a race
05:06 rangi back from the bus
04:50 Brooke right sleepy time for tossers.
04:47 Oak see ya rangi.
04:45 cait bye rangi
04:45 cait :)
04:44 Brooke ciao bello
04:44 rangi and gt an nw kyboard tomorrow
04:44 * Brooke s w key sticks like a bastage.
04:44 rangi i think ill call it a day
04:44 Brooke can I buy a vowel?
04:44 rangi :)
04:44 eythian ə?
04:43 rangi missing a lttr can you guss which on
04:43 rangi gah my kyboard is brokn
04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific
04:40 cait rangi: do you know if bug 4530 will conflict with hte patches to bring allowonshelfholds to circ matrix?
04:39 cait one for 4831 - yay :)
04:39 cait I see some interesting patches on the list :)
04:39 cait :)
04:37 Oak Guten Morgen cait
04:37 Oak hello #koha
04:37 Brooke :)\
04:37 Oak Hello Brooke :)
04:37 Brooke hi Oak
04:33 rangi hi cait
04:31 cait hi Brooke morning #koha
04:22 Brooke 0/
04:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4831] Actual Price being ignored after receive <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831>
04:06 * Brooke suspects that DCA can have their tower route on the little mister's snoring...
04:05 Brooke kamate au
03:25 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-09-06#i_757330
03:24 Brooke ah, sorry mate.
03:24 rangi you misunderestimate the amount he doesnt want to learn
03:23 Brooke and then reimport?
03:23 Brooke install clean
03:23 Brooke can't he just export the records
03:22 Brooke but it's 500 now that's the problem. Those things multiply like rabbits.
03:22 Brooke 500 books = card + stamper :D
03:22 rangi specially as there is no desire to learn at all
03:22 rangi i think for 500 books he should just stick with 3.2
03:22 rangi yeah and me before, then liz and owen after
03:21 eythian I feel a little bad really, but spent a while trying to work it out yesterday to no avail.
03:18 Emery try again tommorow i geuss =8(
03:16 Emery =8(
03:16 Emery oh well
03:16 Brooke rats. I'm neigh useless there
03:15 Emery no, installing, zebrasrv stuff
03:15 Brooke like cataloguing or summat?
03:15 Brooke is it a Librarianish query?
03:11 Emery can anyone help in the next half hour?
03:10 Brooke 0/
03:02 Emery can anyone help in the next half hour?
02:53 rangi :)
02:52 wizzyrea i mean if i'm gonna go through the trouble of walkig through holdability, might as well :P
02:51 wizzyrea yea, proably a good candidate to record some selenium tests
02:51 rangi and then some more with the hourly loans stuff too
02:50 rangi yup
02:50 wizzyrea ooo that one's gonna take some srs testing
02:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530>
02:00 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6687] cannot move people in the holds queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6687>
01:56 Emery someone want a challange ;)
01:56 Emery many people have tried to help but could not get it to work :(
01:55 Emery after upgrade it does not do any searching
01:55 Emery i have a zebra problem
01:55 Emery anybody help me?
01:54 druthb \o/
01:53 trea \o/
01:52 wahanui what's up, Brooke
01:52 Brooke howdy
01:51 * druthb squees
01:51 wizzyrea o\
01:51 druthb o/
01:39 Brooke 0/
01:32 trea ooo
01:32 Brooke http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fractal_Broccoli.jpg
01:32 Brooke who'dathunk broccoli would be so sechsy
01:29 * Brooke is sorely tempted...
01:29 rangi heh
01:26 Brooke Would I be a bad person if I handed out buzzword bingo cards for my own preso?
01:19 wizzyrea oo
01:19 Brooke yep, wiki presents.
01:19 wizzyrea there were presents under your tree?!
01:19 Brooke and it was like "The elves have been here!"
01:19 Brooke woke up this mornin
01:19 Brooke rangi: I really _was_ gonna do summat once I had some sleep in me XD
01:19 rangi trea: i dont usually bother
01:19 * wizzyrea rather jerkily flails around like a drunken giraffe doing the hammertime dance
01:18 * Brooke does the typewriter.
01:18 wizzyrea STOP. Hammertime!
01:18 trea hammertime?
01:18 rangi Brooke: i couldnt read it, it was purely selfish
01:18 wizzyrea past my bedtime?
01:18 wizzyrea time for the kid to be in bed?
01:18 Brooke I have been waiting out here in the dark, young lady.
01:18 * Brooke crosses her arms.
01:17 Brooke do you have any idea what time it is?
01:17 wizzyrea waddup
01:12 Brooke well, not when y'all have geek queries >:)
01:12 trea sweet
01:12 * Brooke thinks that the geeks are in an undisclosed location drinking beer.
01:11 trea when you rebuild zebra's indexes, is it best practice to stop the running zebra process first?
01:10 trea lolwut?
01:05 Brooke <--- didn't do nuffin.
01:05 lastnode yeah i think im good. thanks Brooke!
01:05 Brooke here's hopin. :)
01:05 Brooke so uh
01:05 Brooke according to http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
01:04 Brooke Note: you need to stop and start Postfix after changing this parameter.
01:04 Brooke inet_interfaces = $myhostname localhost... (non-virtual Postfix)
01:04 Brooke inet_interfaces = virtual.host.tld (virtual Postfix)
01:04 Brooke Example: host running one or more virtual mailers. For each Postfix instance, specify only one of the following.
01:03 lastnode inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 should do it right?
01:03 Brooke you have magical powers!
01:02 Brooke trea call in the cavalry bro
01:02 lastnode can someone help me with makingsure postfix only listens on 127.0.0.1?
00:56 Brooke :)
00:54 trea o/
00:54 Brooke 0/
00:52 Brooke for not knowing the meaning of later.
00:52 Brooke rangi++
00:52 Brooke and
00:52 Brooke cait++
00:50 lastnode hi Brooke
00:50 Brooke kia ora
00:44 lastnode i assume ill need to mkdir mail inside /root
00:44 lastnode since ive set home_mailbox to = mail/
00:43 lastnode sendmail works
00:43 lastnode how do i check root mail now? do i need to install mutt?
00:42 lastnode jcamins_away: ive followee this guide http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/gateway-debian-6-squeeze
00:40 jcamins_away That works.
00:40 lastnode yes i will haev a subndomain eventually
00:40 jcamins_away IP addresses are pretty unfriendly.
00:40 lastnode oh, i already set it up as koha.library
00:40 jcamins_away However, you're probably going to want a domain.
00:40 jcamins_away (make it literally "localdomain")
00:40 lastnode got it
00:39 jcamins_away lastnode: call koha koha.localdomain.
00:38 lastnode i dont have a domain jcamins_away
00:36 jcamins_away Make it koha.yourdomain.
00:34 lastnode just a hostname
00:34 lastnode jcamins_away: i dont have a FQDN just yet though
00:34 jcamins_away Probably Internet site- how else would hold messages get sent?
00:33 lastnode Internet with smarthost
00:33 lastnode jcamins_away: i only want to use mail locally. do i select Internet Site or
00:31 jcamins_away (I'm sure nullmailer does work, for some people, of course... just commenting on how great Postfix is)
00:31 jcamins_away I ultimately concluded that I was better off just using Postfix, because it works.
00:31 jcamins_away rangi: yeah, I have a mail server, which according to the docs, is nullmailer's use case.
00:31 lastnode rangi: ^
00:30 lastnode so Internet Site or Internet with smarthost?
00:30 * eythian goes to lunch
00:30 eythian doesn't matter, just say localdomain or whatever
00:30 lastnode http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/gateway-debian-6-squeeze
00:29 lastnode which i dont have
00:29 lastnode the setup asks for a FQDN though
00:29 eythian probably internet site, unless you have a preferred smarthost.
00:29 rangi (a smarthost)
00:29 eythian no, not local only
00:29 rangi it needs a relay jcamins_away
00:28 jcamins_away I tried to set up nullmailer because my server was only sending e-mail to one address, at my own domain.
00:28 lastnode *only
00:28 lastnode i set it up as local onloy, right?
00:28 lastnode ok getting postfix bc you guys are fans!
00:28 eythian that's normal, because nullmailer pretends to be a mailserver, so you can't have it and postfix installed at the same time.
00:28 rangi yeah you dont want it and a real MTA
00:28 lastnode inception
00:27 rangi most likely its bounces bouncing of bounces
00:27 lastnode yeah i mean apt is saying it's gonna remove nullmailer
00:27 rangi http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/
00:27 lastnode hrm
00:27 lastnode im wondering if ive been exploited now
00:27 lastnode ok
00:27 rangi it just lets you relay through a smarthost
00:27 eythian that's a really basic MTA that I don't usually recommend using
00:26 lastnode installed, eythian. what's taht?
00:26 lastnode i have nullmailer
00:26 eythian yeah
00:25 lastnode they aer 1gig together
00:25 lastnode can i safely remove mail.err and mail.warn?
00:23 rangi root: your@email.address
00:23 rangi in /etc/aliases
00:23 rangi you could just do an alias
00:23 rangi not if you have a mailserver
00:23 lastnode so ill need mutt to read root mail?
00:22 lastnode ok
00:22 rangi ie you dont have to be able to send it stuff
00:22 rangi it doesnt have to listen on an external ip
00:21 eythian Unix systems like having a mailserver. Lots of processes want to tell you things.
00:21 rangi without it
00:21 rangi how can koha send overdue notices, or warn people their reserves are ready etc
00:21 lastnode i will run one when we deploy fully with asubdomain, i think
00:21 lastnode is it essential?
00:21 lastnode i would prefer to simply not runa mailserver though, ill be watching koha logs etc.
00:20 eythian mostly because I know it better.
00:20 eythian it's the debian default, but I also prefer postfix
00:20 lastnode for whatever reason
00:20 lastnode linode seems to recommend exim4
00:19 rangi postfix
00:19 rangi a real mailserver ;)
00:19 lastnode i dont have a FQDN btw, only a hostname
00:19 rangi naw
00:19 lastnode so i just apt-get exim4?
00:19 lastnode eythian: but certainly not every second like mail.err shows
00:19 eythian turn the mailing off.
00:19 rangi which it does do
00:19 rangi that way koha can send mail also
00:19 eythian I see then
00:19 eythian ahh
00:18 lastnode because fail2ban tries to mail me stuff
00:18 rangi it doesnt need to listen on anything other than localhost:25 too
00:18 eythian it seems unlikely that fail2ban would cause that.
00:18 eythian Also, I recommend running a real mailserver anyway, it's smarter and also will send you things like cron job messages when something goes wrong.
00:18 lastnode it's possibly fail2ban though
00:18 lastnode no
00:18 eythian does nullmailer have something telling you what it's trying to do?
00:17 lastnode as is mail.warn
00:17 eythian hmm, that's fishy
00:17 lastnode mail.err is full of stuff liek taht
00:17 lastnode Sep 7 05:45:21 li328-112 nullmailer[16175]: Sending failed: Host not found
00:17 lastnode i dont run a mailserver. i dont need one.
00:16 lastnode is that normal?
00:15 lastnode lol
00:15 lastnode /var/log is 4gig
00:11 lastnode and i didnt realise so many people wanetd my box
00:11 lastnode this is the first time im running a vps
00:06 rhcl cool beans
00:06 eythian awesome :)
00:03 lastnode we start using koha at my school today, as a pilot!
00:03 lastnode hi all