Time Nick Message 00:03 lastnode hi all 00:03 lastnode we start using koha at my school today, as a pilot! 00:06 eythian awesome :) 00:06 rhcl cool beans 00:11 lastnode this is the first time im running a vps 00:11 lastnode and i didnt realise so many people wanetd my box 00:15 lastnode /var/log is 4gig 00:15 lastnode lol 00:16 lastnode is that normal? 00:17 lastnode i dont run a mailserver. i dont need one. 00:17 lastnode Sep 7 05:45:21 li328-112 nullmailer[16175]: Sending failed: Host not found 00:17 lastnode mail.err is full of stuff liek taht 00:17 eythian hmm, that's fishy 00:17 lastnode as is mail.warn 00:18 eythian does nullmailer have something telling you what it's trying to do? 00:18 lastnode no 00:18 lastnode it's possibly fail2ban though 00:18 eythian Also, I recommend running a real mailserver anyway, it's smarter and also will send you things like cron job messages when something goes wrong. 00:18 eythian it seems unlikely that fail2ban would cause that. 00:18 rangi it doesnt need to listen on anything other than localhost:25 too 00:18 lastnode because fail2ban tries to mail me stuff 00:19 eythian ahh 00:19 eythian I see then 00:19 rangi that way koha can send mail also 00:19 rangi which it does do 00:19 eythian turn the mailing off. 00:19 lastnode eythian: but certainly not every second like mail.err shows 00:19 lastnode so i just apt-get exim4? 00:19 rangi naw 00:19 lastnode i dont have a FQDN btw, only a hostname 00:19 rangi a real mailserver ;) 00:19 rangi postfix 00:20 lastnode linode seems to recommend exim4 00:20 lastnode for whatever reason 00:20 eythian it's the debian default, but I also prefer postfix 00:20 eythian mostly because I know it better. 00:21 lastnode i would prefer to simply not runa mailserver though, ill be watching koha logs etc. 00:21 lastnode is it essential? 00:21 lastnode i will run one when we deploy fully with asubdomain, i think 00:21 rangi how can koha send overdue notices, or warn people their reserves are ready etc 00:21 rangi without it 00:21 eythian Unix systems like having a mailserver. Lots of processes want to tell you things. 00:22 rangi it doesnt have to listen on an external ip 00:22 rangi ie you dont have to be able to send it stuff 00:22 lastnode ok 00:23 lastnode so ill need mutt to read root mail? 00:23 rangi not if you have a mailserver 00:23 rangi you could just do an alias 00:23 rangi in /etc/aliases 00:23 rangi root: your@email.address 00:25 lastnode can i safely remove mail.err and mail.warn? 00:25 lastnode they aer 1gig together 00:26 eythian yeah 00:26 lastnode i have nullmailer 00:26 lastnode installed, eythian. what's taht? 00:27 eythian that's a really basic MTA that I don't usually recommend using 00:27 rangi it just lets you relay through a smarthost 00:27 lastnode ok 00:27 lastnode im wondering if ive been exploited now 00:27 lastnode hrm 00:27 rangi http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ 00:27 lastnode yeah i mean apt is saying it's gonna remove nullmailer 00:27 rangi most likely its bounces bouncing of bounces 00:28 lastnode inception 00:28 rangi yeah you dont want it and a real MTA 00:28 eythian that's normal, because nullmailer pretends to be a mailserver, so you can't have it and postfix installed at the same time. 00:28 lastnode ok getting postfix bc you guys are fans! 00:28 lastnode i set it up as local onloy, right? 00:28 lastnode *only 00:28 jcamins_away I tried to set up nullmailer because my server was only sending e-mail to one address, at my own domain. 00:29 rangi it needs a relay jcamins_away 00:29 eythian no, not local only 00:29 rangi (a smarthost) 00:29 eythian probably internet site, unless you have a preferred smarthost. 00:29 lastnode the setup asks for a FQDN though 00:29 lastnode which i dont have 00:30 lastnode http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/gateway-debian-6-squeeze 00:30 eythian doesn't matter, just say localdomain or whatever 00:30 * eythian goes to lunch 00:30 lastnode so Internet Site or Internet with smarthost? 00:31 lastnode rangi: ^ 00:31 jcamins_away rangi: yeah, I have a mail server, which according to the docs, is nullmailer's use case. 00:31 jcamins_away I ultimately concluded that I was better off just using Postfix, because it works. 00:31 jcamins_away (I'm sure nullmailer does work, for some people, of course... just commenting on how great Postfix is) 00:33 lastnode jcamins_away: i only want to use mail locally. do i select Internet Site or 00:33 lastnode Internet with smarthost 00:34 jcamins_away Probably Internet site- how else would hold messages get sent? 00:34 lastnode jcamins_away: i dont have a FQDN just yet though 00:34 lastnode just a hostname 00:36 jcamins_away Make it koha.yourdomain. 00:38 lastnode i dont have a domain jcamins_away 00:39 jcamins_away lastnode: call koha koha.localdomain. 00:40 lastnode got it 00:40 jcamins_away (make it literally "localdomain") 00:40 jcamins_away However, you're probably going to want a domain. 00:40 lastnode oh, i already set it up as koha.library 00:40 jcamins_away IP addresses are pretty unfriendly. 00:40 lastnode yes i will haev a subndomain eventually 00:40 jcamins_away That works. 00:42 lastnode jcamins_away: ive followee this guide http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/gateway-debian-6-squeeze 00:43 lastnode how do i check root mail now? do i need to install mutt? 00:43 lastnode sendmail works 00:44 lastnode since ive set home_mailbox to = mail/ 00:44 lastnode i assume ill need to mkdir mail inside /root 00:50 Brooke kia ora 00:50 lastnode hi Brooke 00:52 Brooke cait++ 00:52 Brooke and 00:52 Brooke rangi++ 00:52 Brooke for not knowing the meaning of later. 00:54 Brooke 0/ 00:54 trea o/ 00:56 Brooke :) 01:02 lastnode can someone help me with makingsure postfix only listens on 127.0.0.1? 01:02 Brooke trea call in the cavalry bro 01:03 Brooke you have magical powers! 01:03 lastnode inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 should do it right? 01:04 Brooke Example: host running one or more virtual mailers. For each Postfix instance, specify only one of the following. 01:04 Brooke inet_interfaces = virtual.host.tld (virtual Postfix) 01:04 Brooke inet_interfaces = $myhostname localhost... (non-virtual Postfix) 01:04 Brooke Note: you need to stop and start Postfix after changing this parameter. 01:05 Brooke according to http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html 01:05 Brooke so uh 01:05 Brooke here's hopin. :) 01:05 lastnode yeah i think im good. thanks Brooke! 01:05 Brooke <--- didn't do nuffin. 01:10 trea lolwut? 01:11 trea when you rebuild zebra's indexes, is it best practice to stop the running zebra process first? 01:12 * Brooke thinks that the geeks are in an undisclosed location drinking beer. 01:12 trea sweet 01:12 Brooke well, not when y'all have geek queries >:) 01:17 wizzyrea waddup 01:17 Brooke do you have any idea what time it is? 01:18 * Brooke crosses her arms. 01:18 Brooke I have been waiting out here in the dark, young lady. 01:18 wizzyrea time for the kid to be in bed? 01:18 wizzyrea past my bedtime? 01:18 rangi Brooke: i couldnt read it, it was purely selfish 01:18 trea hammertime? 01:18 wizzyrea STOP. Hammertime! 01:18 * Brooke does the typewriter. 01:19 * wizzyrea rather jerkily flails around like a drunken giraffe doing the hammertime dance 01:19 rangi trea: i dont usually bother 01:19 Brooke rangi: I really _was_ gonna do summat once I had some sleep in me XD 01:19 Brooke woke up this mornin 01:19 Brooke and it was like "The elves have been here!" 01:19 wizzyrea there were presents under your tree?! 01:19 Brooke yep, wiki presents. 01:19 wizzyrea oo 01:26 Brooke Would I be a bad person if I handed out buzzword bingo cards for my own preso? 01:29 rangi heh 01:29 * Brooke is sorely tempted... 01:32 Brooke who'dathunk broccoli would be so sechsy 01:32 Brooke http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fractal_Broccoli.jpg 01:32 trea ooo 01:39 Brooke 0/ 01:51 druthb o/ 01:51 wizzyrea o\ 01:51 * druthb squees 01:52 Brooke howdy 01:52 wahanui what's up, Brooke 01:53 trea \o/ 01:54 druthb \o/ 01:55 Emery anybody help me? 01:55 Emery i have a zebra problem 01:55 Emery after upgrade it does not do any searching 01:56 Emery many people have tried to help but could not get it to work :( 01:56 Emery someone want a challange ;) 02:00 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6687] cannot move people in the holds queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6687> 02:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530> 02:50 wizzyrea ooo that one's gonna take some srs testing 02:50 rangi yup 02:51 rangi and then some more with the hourly loans stuff too 02:51 wizzyrea yea, proably a good candidate to record some selenium tests 02:52 wizzyrea i mean if i'm gonna go through the trouble of walkig through holdability, might as well :P 02:53 rangi :) 03:02 Emery can anyone help in the next half hour? 03:10 Brooke 0/ 03:11 Emery can anyone help in the next half hour? 03:15 Brooke is it a Librarianish query? 03:15 Brooke like cataloguing or summat? 03:15 Emery no, installing, zebrasrv stuff 03:16 Brooke rats. I'm neigh useless there 03:16 Emery oh well 03:16 Emery =8( 03:18 Emery try again tommorow i geuss =8( 03:21 eythian I feel a little bad really, but spent a while trying to work it out yesterday to no avail. 03:22 rangi yeah and me before, then liz and owen after 03:22 rangi i think for 500 books he should just stick with 3.2 03:22 rangi specially as there is no desire to learn at all 03:22 Brooke 500 books = card + stamper :D 03:22 Brooke but it's 500 now that's the problem. Those things multiply like rabbits. 03:23 Brooke can't he just export the records 03:23 Brooke install clean 03:23 Brooke and then reimport? 03:24 rangi you misunderestimate the amount he doesnt want to learn 03:24 Brooke ah, sorry mate. 03:25 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-09-06#i_757330 04:05 Brooke kamate au 04:06 * Brooke suspects that DCA can have their tower route on the little mister's snoring... 04:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4831] Actual Price being ignored after receive <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831> 04:22 Brooke 0/ 04:31 cait hi Brooke morning #koha 04:33 rangi hi cait 04:37 Brooke hi Oak 04:37 Oak Hello Brooke :) 04:37 Brooke :)\ 04:37 Oak hello #koha 04:37 Oak Guten Morgen cait 04:39 cait :) 04:39 cait I see some interesting patches on the list :) 04:39 cait one for 4831 - yay :) 04:40 cait rangi: do you know if bug 4530 will conflict with hte patches to bring allowonshelfholds to circ matrix? 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific 04:43 rangi gah my kyboard is brokn 04:43 rangi missing a lttr can you guss which on 04:44 eythian É™? 04:44 rangi :) 04:44 Brooke can I buy a vowel? 04:44 rangi i think ill call it a day 04:44 * Brooke s w key sticks like a bastage. 04:44 rangi and gt an nw kyboard tomorrow 04:44 Brooke ciao bello 04:45 cait :) 04:45 cait bye rangi 04:47 Oak see ya rangi. 04:50 Brooke right sleepy time for tossers. 05:06 rangi back from the bus 05:07 rangi this driver thinks he is in a race 05:39 eythian when cataloguing in Koha, does it automatically populate the 001 control field? 05:40 eythian (I'm seeing a number of records that have 020$a, 245$a, 999$c and $d, and nothing else. It's odd.) 05:41 cait no 05:41 cait it doesn't 05:42 cait I think it's only populated if you download the file from somewhere 05:42 eythian ah, my import will always create an 024$a, so I can tell that it's not my data, so not my problem :) 05:42 cait and then 004 shows where the number comes from 05:42 eythian (and unlikely to cause issues with what I'm doing) 05:42 eythian ah right 05:43 cait since controlnumber is used for linking records some people have asked for a plugin 05:43 eythian I autogenerated one on importing the records, as it needed one to hook up analytics, and it was coming from a not-very-MARC-supporting system. 05:43 cait yep, standard says to use control number for linking 05:44 eythian yeah. Now I'm just working on having a script edit the headers so that if they are linked up, they have the right types set. 05:44 eythian So that Koha will actually show the links at all. 05:45 * cait nods 05:45 cait you can blame me for that 05:45 eythian for which? 05:46 cait for the analytics link and checks for the headers 05:47 eythian ah yeah. I assume they are to the standard, because they seem pretty strange to me. 05:48 cait yes, i tried to keep as close to the standard as possible 05:48 eythian OK. Most of the MARC standard is pretty strange to me. 05:48 cait I was not sure if anyone else will want to use this 05:49 cait we have not only analytics, but also set records for multi-volume things 05:49 cait makes it even stranger :) 05:49 eythian this library wants to use it to catalogue songbooks, and files of newspaper clippings, and such. 05:49 cait I thin it will work 05:50 cait a little more support by plugins in cataloging woul dbe nice 05:50 eythian it will. I told them how to set it up by hand, and that's fine. It's just too many records to manually change the headers, so I'm automating that step. 05:50 cait our libraries use the union catalog software for cataloging, so I have not dealt with that part 05:50 cait a plugin to search for anothr record to link with like searching for an authority would be nice 05:50 eythian that'd be good, yeah 05:51 cait and a plugin to populate the 001 05:51 eythian that too 06:12 cait dentist :( cya 06:12 alex_a hello 06:19 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6851] A utility that will search out analytics records and set the MARC header appropriately. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6851> 06:37 reiveune hello 06:48 hdl hi all 06:56 francharb h 06:56 francharb hi 07:03 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6680] Cart download choices not understandable to patrons <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6680> 07:18 kf hi #koha 07:26 kf morning paul_p 07:29 paul_p good morning Europe 07:29 paul_p (good afternoon Oceania) 07:44 lastnode after adding an item 07:44 lastnode on a biblio 07:44 lastnode how do i get it t show up 07:44 lastnode koha-rebuild-zebra? 07:47 lastnode paul_p: kf? 07:47 wahanui i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss 07:47 paul_p lastnode (hello) 07:48 lastnode hi paul_p 07:48 paul_p yes, after adding item/biblio, rebuild_zebra.pl -z is your friend 07:49 lastnode paul_p: using debian packages so koha-rebuild-zebra i guess? 07:49 lastnode paul_p: i cant even findteh biblio from inside the e staff client 07:50 paul_p lastnode, I don't use debian package, so I don't know (we have developed our tools a long time ago, and still using them) 07:54 kf lastnode: you can't search for the record? 07:54 kf lastnode: can you search for other records? 07:54 lastnode kf: no 07:54 lastnode if i go directly to /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=1 i can see it 07:54 kf no to both? 07:55 lastnode kf: this si the first record 07:55 kf ah ok 07:55 kf I am not sure how to setup the indexing cronjobs with the packages 07:55 lastnode kf: i just ran koha-zebra-start 07:55 kf ok 07:55 lastnode koha-zebra-rebuild etc 07:55 kf that sounds about right 07:55 lastnode and it didnt give me any error logs 07:56 kf zebrasrv needs to be running to make search work 07:56 kf and indexing is needed to of course 07:56 kf and you can still not search? 07:56 lastnode kf how can se eif zebraserv is running 07:56 kf I found this on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related 08:17 rangi lastnode: look in /etc/cron.d 08:18 rangi there should be a file koha-common 08:18 rangi in there is the command to rebuild the indexes 08:20 rangi you can check your instance is enabled by runing 08:20 rangi sudo koha-list --enabled 08:41 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473> 09:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f64aaf063ea39b70c6f128d74d296566a021d217> / Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d8b1713da45ca82d67668a00bd345d9fcead717> 09:07 jenkins_koha Starting build 405 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 19 j ago) 09:41 lastnode .thanks rangi 09:41 lastnode thanks rangi 09:41 lastnode for some reason zeba ewasnt enable dby default 09:43 lastnode *zebra wasnt enabled by default, said lastnode, untangling himself 09:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #405: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/405/ 09:52 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing 09:52 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates 09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6256 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Many bib1 attributes missing 09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6750 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Guarantor search broken on translated templates 11:27 Brooke 0/ 12:11 hdl hi 12:11 paul_p Very quiet channel today... 12:14 kf yes 12:16 nengard morning 12:16 * jwagner likes peace and quiet.... 12:22 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 kf hi oleonard 12:32 lastnode anyone know anything about koha frontend templates? 12:32 lastnode html/css etc 12:33 lastnode oh right, i see the settings in System Prf 12:33 lastnode nvm 12:35 kf lastnode: owens blog is a good source for customizing the templates 12:35 kf owen's blog? 12:35 wahanui well, owen's blog is a good starting point 12:35 kf hm. 12:35 kf opac customization? 12:36 kf owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 12:36 kf owen's blog? 12:36 wahanui i heard owen's blog was a good starting point 12:36 kf forget owen's blog 12:36 wahanui kf: I forgot owen's blog 12:36 kf owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 12:37 kf wahanui: oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha 12:37 wahanui OK, kf. 12:37 oleonard oleonard's much-neglected blog. 12:42 kf it's a very nice neglected blog :) 12:42 lastnode kf: we started adding books to our koha install today 12:44 kf yay 13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5916] Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5916> 13:15 rhcl wahaui: meeting time? 13:15 rhcl wahanui: meeting time? 13:15 wahanui i don't know, rhcl 13:15 rhcl stupid bot 13:15 rhcl wahanui: topic? 13:15 wahanui it has been said that topic is wrong. :) 13:15 rhcl stupid bot 13:16 lastnode oh 13:16 lastnode is anyone allowed for the meeting? 13:16 rhcl yes, but a preregistration free of $5 US needs to be paypal'ed to me 13:16 oleonard Yes, lastnode 13:16 wahanui i guess lastnode is an english teacher from sri lanka 13:16 lastnode rhcl: paypal address? 13:16 lastnode and do you accept bitcoin? 13:17 rhcl mybigmoney@netscape.net 13:17 rhcl is bitcoin still in business? 13:20 lastnode has the US national debt been resolved? 13:20 lastnode anyway brb a few hours, hopefully ill stay awake for teh meeting :) 13:20 lastnode how long do tehy usually go on for? 13:21 rhcl less than an hour, but this is a nominations meeting so I don't really know about it 13:21 rhcl I'm not even sure what they're nominating for, but my vote is for sale anyway 13:23 oleonard You're feeling cheeky this morning rhcl 13:23 rhcl ain't I though? 13:23 rhcl I just put a pot of coffee on to brew...I'll settle down in a while 14:04 rhcl federated search on both Koha and DSpace. Interesting 14:05 trea WWRMD? 14:06 kf what would... do? 14:06 trea roy merritt 14:06 rhcl So conceptually, you might search on Koha, get results from both db's, and links to DSpace would either pull up the document if stand alone, or open DSpace for the viewer 14:06 kf hm 14:08 rhcl searching on DSpace would probably require opening the OPAC view in a browser 14:09 jcamins_away Maybe the federated search thingy could do it? 14:09 jcamins_away I forget what it's called, but Koha has a built-in federated search plugin. 14:09 jcamins_away I have no idea if it works- I've never heard of anyone using it. 14:10 sekjal jcamins_away: pazpar2 14:10 wizzyrea ^^ 14:10 jcamins_away That's it. 14:26 Agent_Dani \o 14:28 trea o/ 14:31 fcapo hello, is it possible to port a .po translation file from version 3.2 to 3.4, or do I need to start from a new file? 14:33 kf no, the files can be updated 14:33 kf fcapo: try sending a mail to the translation list 14:35 * oleonard hadn't noticed nengard redesigned her site... 14:38 jcamins_away Huh. So she has. 14:39 hdl sekjal: pazpar2 is tester 14:40 fcapo Another translation question : the fr-CA language for 3.4 just got created on translate.koha-community.org , but its translations are way out of date. Can I base the fr-CA translation off of the existing fr-FR translation? 14:43 nengard huh? 14:43 nengard since when? 14:43 nengard it's been that way for at least a year now .... 14:43 jcamins_away nengard: the last time I looked at your site was probably around when I first met you. 14:44 nengard got it :) 14:44 nengard i guess you all saw my rant 14:44 nengard :) 14:44 nengard woke up annoyed 14:44 fredericd fcapo: fr-CA 3.4 is based on last .po files from 3.2 git version 14:45 * Agent_Dani finds that to be her usual state at oh-dark-thirty. :) 14:45 fredericd Do you have other .po files for 3.2? 14:45 oleonard nengard: I usually read your posts in RSS, so I missed it! 14:46 nengard i totally understand 14:46 nengard i'm the same :) 14:46 oleonard ebooks have so many rant-worthy attributes. 14:46 jcamins_away Yup. 14:48 fcapo We had our own 3.2 fr-CA translation, but our file has a lot of new string that can't apply for a clean 3.4 Koha. 14:49 * jcamins_away doesn't actually know what most of the websites he reads regularly look like. 14:51 fredericd fcapo: From 3.2 to 3.4, the switch to Template Toolkit implies that a LOT of string that were translated have to be retranslated... So in any case, even if we try to base 3.4 .po file on you 3.2 fr-CA translation, I'm sure we will reach almost the same (poor) result 14:54 * Agent_Dani realizes she has a meeting scheduled until 17:00 today... 14:54 fcapo fredericd: Ok, that's what I thought... 14:55 Agent_Dani Which is doubly fun - I got in at 06:45 today and I have a class at 19:30 so it will be too late for me to go home for a while before class. :-\ 14:58 slef yikes, meetings have just stolen my Thursday 15:00 fcapo fredericd: Our clients want a fully translated fr Koha, but with some terms changed for the french-canadian context. They also now want to share those changes with the community. Any ideas on how we could do that without causing a duplication of efforts? 15:04 trea can someone explain what accountlines.date and accountlines.timestamp are recording, and the difference between the two? 15:09 fredericd fcapo: We can base fr-CA on fr-FR 3.4 current .po files. You will get a fully translated OPAC interface and preferences. It remains an important work on staff interface 15:10 zipporah Friends, can you help me with an SQL code that can help to reverse "Ordered" indicator on hundreds of books to allow for available status. The was a mistake when manually catoging them. 15:10 fredericd Then you work on fr-CA OPAC language tweaking and you translate staff. As soon as you finished staff translation I base fr-FR staff on you version and we tweak it for French librarians... 15:11 wizzyrea zipporah: have you investigated the batch modification 15:11 wizzyrea More -> Tools 15:11 fredericd The question is : will you translate all staff interface and how long will it take? 15:11 wizzyrea well, that would be on 3.4 15:11 zipporah We have just installed Koha 3.2 livecd. 15:13 zipporah Have I put the question straight? 15:13 cait wizzyrea: batch is 3.2 15:13 wizzyrea cool 15:13 cait :) 15:14 cait fredericd: do you have a min? 15:14 fredericd cait: yes 15:17 zipporah frederic, would you be a good SQL or MySQL programmer to help me with an SQL code to change the "ordered" status to "available" on a lot of books instead of looking for them manually? 15:17 zipporah We are using Koha 3.2 from livecd. 15:19 zipporah I wonder if I have put my question clear! 15:19 wizzyrea zipporah: have you looked at the batch item processing at all? 15:19 wizzyrea under more -> tools 15:20 fcapo fredericd: Our plan is to switch our clients directly to version 3.6 when it is ready, so can't we just contribute on fr-FR while waiting for the string freeze, then base fr-CA on fr-FR around the 3.6.0 release? The fr-CA specific modifications would stay on fr-CA. 15:21 zipporah I am very new to Koha. I will look at it and I will let you know of my progress on that. Regards. 15:21 wizzyrea good luck :) 15:22 cait zipporah: the problem is you can't do it easily with sql only in 3.2 15:23 cait zipporah: you woul dhave to run a script too - batch edit will take care of everything 15:26 reiveune bye 15:27 libsysguy jcamins weren't you telling me something about refworks and a z39.50 server 15:27 libsysguy and if they would allow us to set it up we should use that instead of RIS 15:28 jcamins_away libsysguy: yeah, RefWorks might be able to use a Z39.50 server. 15:28 libsysguy yeah they keep trying to connect but keep failing 15:28 wizzyrea from what I can tell, accountlines.date is the date the fine or payment is made, without the timestamp. The timestamp is the actual time. 15:28 jcamins_away I don't know anything about how it works. 15:28 libsysguy and I think my config might be wrong 15:28 jcamins_away libsysguy: did you confirm that you can connect to the Z39.50 server from outside the firewall? 15:29 libsysguy well that is what they were trying to do 15:29 libsysguy i know that i have the right ports opened on the firewall 15:30 libsysguy is there any documentation on how to set up the z39.50 search server for outside access? 15:31 zipporah Thanks very much. I have seen how it works and we shall just do it right away. Bye for now. 15:31 jcamins_away Hm. I don't know anything about setting up Z39.50 servers. 15:31 jcamins_away I don't know, actually. 15:31 jcamins_away Search the wiki? 15:32 wizzyrea libsysguy I think it's in the manual 15:33 libsysguy it says how to set up targets 15:33 libsysguy but I don't see anything on being a target 15:33 sekjal libsysguy: it should be in the manual, yes. if not, you just need to uncomment the 'publicserver' configs in koha-conf.xml, and restart Zebra 15:34 wizzyrea yea, i'm SURE I saw it in the manual 15:35 libsysguy ok ill keep looking 15:35 libsysguy but i think i found out what i was doing wring int he conf file 15:35 sekjal http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/systemfaq.html 15:35 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget 15:36 * wizzyrea happened to be poking around in that section just yesterday 15:49 lastnode meetng in 2 hours? 15:49 wizzyrea *nod* 15:52 wizzyrea cait - about? 15:53 wizzyrea i require your sql brilliance :) 15:53 wizzyrea well "require..." your cleverness would be appreciated ^.^ with cookies. 15:56 fcapo fredericd: To answer your fr-CA question : If fr-CA can be based on the 3.6.0 fr-FR, we will do what we can to translate what's left to translate in the staff interface. I can't really give a schedule, but we will need a working fr-CA for the end of november. 15:56 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6836] jQuery plugin Datatables integration <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6836> / [Bug 6838] Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6838> 15:57 fcapo fredericd: Then, you're free to rebase fr-FR off of fr-CA anytime. 15:59 fredericd fcapo: To be sure not to do a mistake: you ask me to base 3.4 fr-CA .po files on their fr-FR current counterpart? and load them on Pootle? 16:00 fcapo fredericd: Not now. I said we would base it on 3.6, since our clients will go with the 3.6 version 16:00 fredericd And for 3.4? 16:01 fcapo I guess fr-CA 3.4 will stay unchanged 16:01 nengard bug 6488 can anyone think of a reason that the hidden items should show on the search results and not the bib detail? 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master 16:01 nengard i don't want to make a decision alone 16:01 nengard i think if it's hidden it should be hidden 16:02 wizzyrea ^^ 16:02 wizzyrea what's the point of hiding it if it's not hidden 16:02 cait wizzyrea: here now, but have to be careful to not burn my dinner 16:02 oleonard Agreed. 16:02 wizzyrea ooo no, dinner is important 16:02 slef I think it should be hidden on all OPAC searches, not on intranet 16:03 wizzyrea I can ask you after you eat :) 16:03 sekjal yes, if it's hidden in the OPAC, that should be on search results, details, Lists, etc. 16:03 sekjal consistency 16:03 wizzyrea make it so, nengard ;) 16:03 cait nengard: I agree - should be hidden everywhere or it will only be confusing :) 16:03 cait wizzyrea: it's ok 16:03 cait it will take alittle longer - tell me about your problem :) 16:04 nengard k 16:04 * wizzyrea settles down on the psychiatrists couch 16:04 nengard bug updated 16:04 nengard thanks 16:04 wizzyrea so NEKLS has some libraries that want to do Unique management. They want to send people to collections 16:05 cait hehe 16:05 wizzyrea based on their fines 16:05 cait unique management? 16:05 wizzyrea there are a few requirements, some of which I've figured out 16:05 wizzyrea it's the company that does the chasing down of delinquent patrons 16:05 cait ah ok 16:06 cait so you need a list of borrowers and fines that meet some special requirements? 16:06 wizzyrea exactly 16:06 wizzyrea fine total over $25 (I think I figured this out) 16:06 wizzyrea no payments in last 60 days (possibly figured this one out) 16:06 wizzyrea but I've got them in separate reports 16:07 wizzyrea and it would be nice to mash them together 16:08 cait ok 16:08 cait pastebin? :) 16:08 slef wizzyrea: Is this SQL? Ugly way: put "AND borrowerid IN (SELECT borrowerid [your fine total query])" into the WHERE of your no payments SELECT. 16:08 wizzyrea yes, that would be best 16:08 slef just OTTOMH, not tested, not sure if mysql has odd syntax for that sort of thing 16:09 wizzyrea slef: I will try that! 16:09 wizzyrea cait, one moment 16:09 cait it's along what I would have suggested :) 16:09 wizzyrea oooo 16:09 wizzyrea nice 16:09 wizzyrea ok, one sec 16:09 cait I like sub queries... slef: why ugly? 16:09 wizzyrea let me see if I can mash these together 16:09 wizzyrea I will paste them back in a sec 16:09 cait ok 16:10 slef be careful with how many subqueries you do and what they are, else it will eat your database server's CPU for breakfast and wash it down with disk space 16:10 cait hm yum 16:10 cait i did a course on sql a while back and was told subqueries can be faster than joins, depending on what you do 16:10 slef it's cait's fault, talking about dinner. Now I'm hungry. 16:10 cait would you agree with that? 16:10 fcapo fredericd: So, will it be possible to base the 3.6 fr-CA on the 3.6 fr-FR when Koha 3.6.0 arrives? 16:11 cait it's always my fault *sniff* 16:11 slef yes, as usually you only put a few columns in subqueries 16:11 fredericd fcapo: yes, no problem 16:11 cait most of the time I use the pk 16:11 cait like borrowernumber in /not in 16:11 cait should learnmore about what makes mysql happy sometime 16:12 fcapo fredericd: Ok, thanks a lot for your help. 16:12 rhcl ah, thanks, another interview question 16:12 cait rhcl? 16:12 wahanui rhcl is gonna beat up on an ibot, if it's not careful. 16:13 rhcl I'm preparing to do interviews for a new tech assistant and I'm building a new question list. 16:16 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "something like this?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 16:17 cait ah, and what is the question? :) 16:17 wizzyrea selecting borrowers with no payments in 60 days, and more tna $25 in fines 16:17 wizzyrea s/tna/than 16:18 cait I meant rhcl interview question :) 16:18 rhcl "Tell me what you know about SQL." This is a beginning tech position, I won't ask them to actually construct a series of nested joins. 16:18 cait ah :) 16:18 jwagner wizzyrea, see bug 3490 -- we wrote and released scripts for billing notice and debt collect to work with Unique Management 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3490 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Billing Notice/Debt Collect 16:18 cait wizzyrea: have you tested it? 16:19 wizzyrea it's running now 16:20 wizzyrea 404 on the link *shrug* 16:20 wizzyrea on the github link. Oh well. 16:20 wizzyrea but ty, I know of several other places that have done it, but their workflows are different from what we want 16:21 wizzyrea basically taking their work and adapting it 16:21 wizzyrea which is where what I just pasted came from 16:24 cait wizzyrea: does it work? 16:24 wizzyrea it's still running, so I 16:24 wizzyrea am not sure 16:24 wizzyrea yet 16:24 cait ah 16:24 wizzyrea good thing I have a replica :P 16:24 cait found noone in my database - but that's not surprising :) 16:24 cait hm 16:24 cait I was thinking 16:24 cait perhaps yo need another time limit 16:24 cait what if they accrued the 25$ yesterday 16:25 wizzyrea hmm 16:25 wizzyrea good pt 16:25 cait would be not nice to give their data to that unique managmeent thing :) 16:25 wizzyrea extremely. 16:25 wizzyrea extremely very not good 16:25 wizzyrea :) 16:26 wizzyrea cait, reminder: your dinner! 16:26 wizzyrea don't burn it :P 16:26 wizzyrea :) 16:27 cait hehe 16:27 cait thx 16:27 cait eating right now 16:28 oleonard Mmm... Eating. 16:30 cait my next victim to be made hungry arrived... 16:31 wizzyrea hmm. that report never finished I must have sent it into the void. 16:31 * wizzyrea goes back to the drawing board. 16:31 lastnode can someone link me to past logs of meetings? 16:32 * lastnode ponders staying up 16:32 lastnode it's already 10pm :( 16:33 trea can you use multiple OR statements in your WHERE clause? 16:34 trea ie, WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR 'bat' OR 'blah') 16:36 oleonard WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR foo = 'bat' OR foo = 'blah') 16:36 trea in that case would you be better off using an IN function? 16:36 cait lol, now my dinner ended up on bugzilla - bug 6488 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master 16:37 oleonard trea: I suppose it depends on whether it's more efficient in the code and/or in performance. 16:38 libsysguy ok so i was trying to hide the no cover image available icon with some javascript 16:38 libsysguy and i am failing fantastically 16:38 libsysguy i don't see where it gets assigned in CSS so am I just missing it somewhere 16:39 cait lastnode: they are all on the wiki - search for irc meetings 16:39 cait lastnode: there is also an agenda for tonight's meeting 16:40 cait wizzyrea: I have only very minimal data in this database 16:40 cait wizzyrea: makes it a little hard to figure it out for you right now :( 16:40 oleonard libsysguy: The no cover image markup is generated by javascript 16:41 cait lastnode: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_September_2011 16:42 jcamins_away nengard_lunch: errr... the Koha RSS feed appears to have flipped out. 16:42 oleonard libsysguy: You could hide it with CSS: span.no-image { display: none; } 16:45 nengard_lunch jcamns i know 16:45 jcamins_away nengard_lunch: okay, good. 16:45 nengard_lunch slef told me 16:45 nengard_lunch i can't figure out how to fix it though 16:46 nengard_lunch if you know pipes, it's the part that's removing the images that's broken 16:46 nengard_lunch the source is published you should be able to see it 16:46 jcamins_away I don't know anything about Yahoo Pipes. 16:46 nengard_lunch k - anyone here who knows something - help woudl be appreciated 16:46 jcamins_away But once I marked everything old as read, it seemed to be happy again. 16:46 nengard_lunch someone helped me put that image bit in .. i don't remember who :) 17:00 wizzyrea cait: it's all good 17:00 wizzyrea ty for thinking on it 17:00 wizzyrea I will post it in the report wiki if/when I get it figured out 17:04 nengard wizzyrea are you the one who helped me with my yahoo pipe? removing images? 17:06 wizzyrea I don't recall that :/ 17:06 wizzyrea but I did find this 17:06 wizzyrea http://pipes.tigit.co.uk/?p=54 17:07 wizzyrea did we change the font size on the receipts? 17:07 wizzyrea lately? 17:07 cait I am not aware of it 17:08 wizzyrea apparently "all of a sudden" the text on the receipts here is "too small" 17:09 sekjal wizzyrea: yes, font size changed on receipts 17:09 sekjal print.css changed from 14px to 12px, I believe 17:09 wizzyrea humbug, ok ty 17:10 wizzyrea now how to make it big again. 17:11 sekjal wizzyrea: tricky, since that page does not include intranetusercss (as far as I recall) 17:11 nengard hmmm 17:11 nengard it appears to be working: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs 17:11 nengard are we supposed to be meeting? 17:11 wizzyrea *nod* 17:12 cait in another hour 17:12 cait or 49 minutes 17:12 wizzyrea sekjal: yea, does it include intranetuserjs? 17:12 wizzyrea nm, I can look 17:12 cait if not perhaps we should make it 17:13 wizzyrea oh there was someone complaining about including a <script> tag on the receipts 17:13 sekjal change was made as part of bug 6291 17:13 wahanui sekjal: that doesn't look right 17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox 17:13 slef well done nengard :) I'll hide 17:14 sekjal wizzyrea: no, the CSS and JS sysprefs are both left out of the receipt templates 17:15 wizzyrea *nod* for speed, probably 17:15 sekjal the only way to change the font back to 14px is to alter print.css or the template page 17:15 wizzyrea so how about that receipts rewrite >.> 17:15 wizzyrea I tease :) 17:16 wizzyrea actually I happen to know it's in funding talks 17:16 wizzyrea only a small amount left to raise iirc 17:17 sekjal wizzyrea: you speak true 17:17 nengard the images are showing a bit ... hope that doesn't break things 17:17 nengard in the pipe 17:18 Brooke kia ora 17:20 cait hi Brooke 17:20 Brooke :) 17:22 jcamins_away Was there supposed to be a meeting 20 minutes ago? 17:23 cait hm 17:23 cait I think in 40 17:23 cait but my timezone calculations are not always correct 17:23 jcamins_away Ah. 17:23 cait 18 utc 17:23 cait hi ColinC 17:25 ColinC Hi 17:26 cait getting full here :) 17:30 * lastnode is still up 17:33 cait lastnode: how late is it for you? 17:33 lastnode 11pm atm 17:33 cait oh 17:33 lastnode that's late bc i wake up at 5am 17:34 lastnode to prep for class etc. 17:34 cait makes sense 17:34 cait we shift the meetings around by 8 hours 17:34 cait so this is probably the worse time for you 17:35 cait worst 17:35 lastnode yeah np, i dont think ill have much to add 17:35 lastnode or contribute. just happpened to be up so thought id hang around 17:37 cait first time can be a bit confusing, prepare to read fast :) 17:38 lastnode cait: ive sat in on foss meetings before (wordpress, ubuntu), so i kinda know the format. 17:38 * lastnode is prepared to read fast 17:38 cait :) 17:43 daniel_g howdy 17:43 lastnode why did the librarian cross teh road? 17:44 cait hi daniel :) 17:44 daniel_g hi! 17:44 daniel_g to check out what was on the other side? 17:44 cait how are you? 17:44 daniel_g i'm good, thanks! busy, but good. how are you?? 17:44 cait same here - busy but good 17:45 daniel_g i think this might be the first irc meeting i've attended in realtime 17:45 daniel_g hi schuster! 17:45 schuster Hey all... I might drop out and come back in on another chat client. 17:46 schuster Ah better. 17:47 * Brooke imagines the demand for coffee in eNZed is even higher than average today. 17:49 * jcamins_away offers his apologies for missing the meeting- he has to get on the subway now, and won't be getting off the subway for another hour or so. 17:49 libsysguy aww no jcamins 17:50 lastnode jcamins_away: hi! didnt see you earlier. just thought id say we started the koha pilot at my school today 17:50 lastnode and thank you very much for helping with the sysadmin stuff yesterday 17:50 lastnode including postfix 17:52 libsysguy so refworks says they need a database name to target the z39.50 server 17:52 libsysguy does anybody know what I should tell them 17:53 jwagner libsysguy, the database name should be in your $KOHA_CONF file -- look for the line that looks like this: 17:54 jwagner <database>koha_db</database> 17:54 libsysguy oh ok cool 17:54 chris_n libsysguy: biblios 17:54 jwagner default port is usually 210 -- you might need to open your firewall 17:55 chris_n if you have not changed it from the install default 17:55 cait hi chris_n 17:55 chris_n heya cait 17:55 libsysguy hmm the port for mine says 9998 17:55 libsysguy so i guess that is what it is 17:56 jwagner whatever :-) 17:57 schuster libsysguy - yep that was the default mine was at 9998 17:57 libsysguy sweet im glad im not crazy 17:59 schuster I don't know you well enough to answer that comment yet! LOL!!! 17:59 libsysguy haha you're probably right...maybe I just had a moment of clarity 18:00 Brooke #startmeeting 18:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 7 18:00:21 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00 nancyk Hi, just testing...first time...Washoe County Library, Reno 18:01 Brooke Howdy, Welcome 18:01 Brooke feel free to introduce yerselves with #info 18:01 nancyk Hi Brooke 18:01 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, NEKLS 18:01 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop 18:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands 18:01 daniel_g #info Daniel Grobani, Samuel Merritt University 18:01 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4 Release Maintainer 18:01 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler 18:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime 18:01 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions 18:01 nengard #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions 18:01 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 Quality Assurance Manager 18:01 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe 18:02 rhcl #info Greg Lawson (May have to step out shortly) 18:02 lastnode #info Mahangu Weerasinghe, Sri Lanka 18:02 schuster #info David Schuster, Plano ISD, Texas 18:02 mtj #info Mason James, KohaAloha NZ 18:02 slef rhcl: happens to us all 18:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:03 Brooke Haere Mai, let's get started :D 18:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 18:03 Brooke Roadmap to 3.4 Chris :) 18:04 chris_n ok 18:04 * slef hands Brooke a #topic 18:04 nengard hi nancyk! 18:04 chris_n everything is on track for the release of 3.4.5 on the 22nd of this month 18:04 Brooke #topic 3.4 Roadmap 18:04 chris_n plans are to continue releases on a monthly basis as long as work is being done which applies to the 3.4.x branch 18:05 Brooke outstanding 18:05 chris_n once things slow down 18:05 chris_n we'll announce EOL 18:05 chris_n and take a vote at the nearest meeting 18:05 chris_n a bunch of work has been pushed for 3.4.5 18:05 chris_n and thats it for me 18:06 cait chris_n++ 18:06 Brooke okie dokie, any questions for Chris? 18:06 slef #info a bunch of work pushed for 3.4.5, on track to release 22nd, plans to continue monthly until things slow down 18:07 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil 18:07 slef any blockers or critical bugs chris_n? 18:07 chris_n slef: one moment 18:09 paul_p hello, sorry to be a little bit late. 18:09 chris_n according to BZ there are 12 18:09 chris_n you may see them here: http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb 18:09 chris_n seven are marked patch-submitted 18:09 Brooke #link http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb 18:09 paul_p (changing my internet provider at home... just today...) 18:09 chris_n patch-sent rather 18:10 chris_n it looks like some have failed QA 18:10 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, sorry to be a little bit late 18:10 slef just recreated my table 18:10 slef #link http://s.coop/koha34status 18:11 chris_n some look like they should be closed, but have not been 18:11 slef bug 6292 is critical, needs signoff - anyone want to do it? 18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 18:11 sekjal 1 blocker, 1 critical, 4 major are Failed QA 18:11 Brooke #help bug 6292 18:11 Brooke movin' on 18:11 sekjal 54 bugs awaiting QA (no blockers, no critical, 5 major). 81 bugs needing signoff (no blockers, 3 critical, 8 major) 18:11 Brooke we can get this stuff asynchronously 18:12 cait slef: ther eis an open question for the follow up 18:12 slef yeah, OK. Eyeballs are good but we're being too slow 18:12 cait slef: i signed off the first patch, but not sure how to reproduce the problem for the secon dpatch 18:12 slef cait: ok, later 18:13 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6 18:13 * slef gets out of the way before Brooke runs him over 18:13 chris_n bug 5995 has been back ported to both 3.2.x and 3.4.x btw 18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth 18:13 Brooke anyone not named Paul wanna do the update on 3.6 so Paul can ask questions. 18:13 chris_n it probably can be closed 18:13 sekjal Brooke: I think I can speak a bit to 3.6 18:14 * slef holds 3.6 down for sekjal to give it a damn good talking to 18:14 Brooke hooray 18:14 Brooke Ian's got the floor 18:14 sekjal as mentioned a few lines early, we're at approximately 50 patches needing QA, and around 80 needing signoff 18:14 sekjal patches have been progressing through the process slowly but continuously 18:15 paul_p and many "don't apply" or "failed QA" anymore (and that's a pity if it fixed a bug) 18:15 sekjal major developments that are nearing fruition include Hourly Loans and the Holds Rewrite 18:15 Brooke #info 50 patches need QA, and around 80 needing signoff, get to gettin'. 18:15 Brooke hourly loans were one of Paul's questions, wanna go into gorey blow by blow detail? 18:15 sekjal so far, we have only had to revert one commit 18:16 Brooke bug 5549 18:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 18:16 sekjal This development has been signed off by libsysguy, who I believe is using the branch in production 18:16 libsysguy yes we are 18:16 paul_p #info 55 patches are "failed QA" and 44 are "does not apply" 18:16 sekjal so hourly loans are now onto the QA stage 18:17 schuster What is the main reason for failed or does not apply? 18:17 nengard it totally depends on the patch 18:17 oleonard There's no main reason 18:17 nengard if the patch doesn't fix the problem it fails 18:17 paul_p schuster: I think the main reason for does not apply is "does not apply anymore" 18:17 sekjal given that this is a MAJOR change to many core modules, testing needs to be thorough and painstaking, lest we break library circulation 18:17 nengard and what paul_p said about the other :) 18:17 paul_p (dna anymore because other patches have been pushed and a rebase is needed) 18:18 sekjal I will fail a patch in QA if it does not do what it proports to do, if it introduces other bugs or issues, or if it violates style guidelines 18:18 paul_p from my experience, sometimes (maybe 60% of the time), it's easy to rebase. Sometimes (30%) it's tricky, and 10% it's hard (patch must be rewritten) 18:18 libsysguy ^^ 18:19 sekjal patches from before the Template::Toolkit conversion in 3.4 are especially lengthy to rebase, as any interface changes must be redone in the new language 18:19 paul_p (I mean "does not apply". Rough number given by "my feeling @", a trademark from me ;) ) 18:19 schuster Thanks paul_p for the descriptive reasoning.. I have been busy with other things for a couple of months and didn't know if it was mainly Template Toolkit type stuff or just bad rebase. 18:19 paul_p theu number of T::T issues is decreasing. 18:20 paul_p there are still some (i made one today. patch not sent yet) 18:20 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [with a disembodied connection] 18:21 paul_p I wanted to ask : should we do something with "Failed QA" or "Does Not Apply" patches that seems "abandonned" by their original author ? 18:21 paul_p I feel the answer should be different for bugfixes and for enhancements 18:21 cait if the bug still remains someone else can work on it I would think 18:21 paul_p bugfixes = keep them open, if the bug is still here, it's usefull 18:21 Brooke mebbe use superceded 18:21 paul_p enhancements = close them after a toBeDefined time maybe 18:22 slef A small reminder: signer-offers please read the patch and make sure it doesn't introduce new bugs or include unrelated junk. 18:22 Brooke for things that no longer apply 18:22 paul_p superceded ? 18:22 oleonard I agree with that proposal paul_p 18:22 slef paul_p: in debian, the QA team would ask for people to take them over I think 18:22 sekjal we could assign these enhancements a different Closed status for easy retrieval 18:23 sekjal unfortunately, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, we won't get very far by assigning it 18:23 cait sekjal: I like that idea 18:23 Brooke yep if it's divided into superceded for bugs that don't apply and abandoned for enhancements with no owner, might be clearer. Mebbe no. 18:23 sekjal then again, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, it must not be very bad 18:23 paul_p you're probably right sekjal 18:24 cait or a feature not a lot of people use 18:24 paul_p or a bug that happens only in a rare situation 18:24 paul_p (like : you're a french library, using unimarc, printing your itemcallnumber labels, on a A3 printer) 18:25 Brooke #idea handle mouldy enhancements differently than mouldy bugs 18:25 cait perhps we should add the pending deadlines to the log? 18:25 Brooke can we programme Huginn to nag about dusty bugs? 18:26 Brooke like on GBSD? 18:26 cait he already nags abou tneeds sign-off 18:26 marcelr who contacts the original author in order to get possible reply? 18:26 cait I think don#t make it too much bot messages 18:26 sekjal we can set up Bugzilla to use Bug Whining to send emails out on a regular basis, with a list of bug reports meeting whatever saved search we like 18:26 oleonard Right, it's the author of the submitted patch who needs the reminder 18:27 paul_p Brooke, from Hugin side, probably. The question is also = what can bugzilla provide ? 18:28 slef ultimately, it's not hard to find dusty bugs if any dev has time, is it? 18:28 paul_p if anyone has a link about bz webservices,... 18:28 oleonard slef: Yeah, people can find stuff to do if they want to look for it. Most already have plenty to work on. 18:28 paul_p http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.2/en/html/api/Bugzilla/WebService.html maybe 18:29 Brooke I get the sinking feeling this is a big procedure question and is like to be revisited. Anyone else think so? 18:30 schuster I feel we have been here before too... 18:30 marcelr i think so too 18:30 Brooke well, we will keep working on our slow hunches, and if anyone has any bril ideas, start a wiki page, write em down, and flag stuff on the next agenda 18:31 Brooke that said 18:31 Brooke bug 6537 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer 18:31 Brooke go Paul :) 18:31 rhcl would anyone care to provide a bit of amplification on the holds rewrite if this is an appropriate time 18:32 nengard i thnk there is a detailed rfc on the wiki ... 18:32 paul_p the patch for 6537 has been pushed. It means the syspref system will be simplified a lot for translators. 18:32 cait magnuse++ 18:33 sekjal rhcl: the Holds Rewrite is currently in the testing phase. ByWater Solutions is bringing up a test server to allow the sponsors to test the coded features against their own, familiar data 18:33 paul_p Since 3.4, the description is now stored in the template scope, no more in the SQL database. It means we don't need anymore to have a syspref.sql file defined for each language 18:33 cait will be simplified for developers 18:33 sekjal I'd like to open that to the community in general, once we can figure out the privacy issues to the libraries' satisfaction 18:33 cait not having to edit a lot of sql files any longer, but only add new sysprefs to the en file 18:33 paul_p thanks to magnus, we now have only one syspref.sql file, shared by all languages. located at (searching) 18:34 oleonard sekjal: privacy issues? 18:34 wahanui privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time 18:34 sekjal oleonard: patron data 18:34 chris_n slef: blo/cri 3.4.x bugs now number 4... http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb 18:34 slef chris_n: ta 18:34 sekjal the current test data will be taken from the sponsoring libraries systems, and would need to be anonymized before letting other folks have access for testing 18:35 wizzyrea ^^ 18:35 sekjal well, anonymized, or just wiped completely and reloaded with demo data 18:35 * chris_n has whined for large, clean sets of demo data for years :-) 18:36 paul_p the syspref file is now in misc/data/mysql/syspref.sql. If a specific syspref setup must be defined for a given language (like unimarc for frenchies), you still can have a fr/syspref.sql, that contains only UPDATE 18:36 paul_p what is nice with this is that it will help translators, but also help having the same syspref loaded for everybody 18:36 paul_p (previously, there was sometimes bugs because a syspref was not in the fr/syspref.sql file) 18:37 paul_p I hope i've been clear... 18:37 thd sekjal: just remember that real anonymisation is a myth because behaviour can be identifying.. 18:37 Brooke lessbugs++ 18:37 cait paul_p: only one small thing 18:38 cait it doesn#t change anything for translators 18:38 cait only for developers - but this is a very good change 18:38 paul_p cait, you're right 18:38 marcelr it is a simplification; less rebasing needed 18:39 paul_p yep, and less conflicts, and more fun ;-) 18:39 sekjal thd: there are ways to scramble behavior, too, but we'll get all that solved in the near future. 18:39 Brooke morefun++ 18:39 cait magnuse++ :) 18:39 paul_p magnuse++ 18:39 paul_p definetly ! 18:39 mtj magnus++++! 18:39 Brooke magnuse++ 18:39 Brooke just remember, beer > ++ 18:40 Brooke #topic Roles for 3.8 18:40 paul_p well, i promize to pay a beer during next hackfest in Marseille ;-) 18:40 paul_p about my other question (Koha namespace), i saw someone added a link on the wiki, i haven't read it yet 18:40 mtj #info beer > ++ 18:41 cait only if you like bear 18:41 cait um beer 18:41 * nengard is scared to admit that she does not like beer at all 18:41 nengard ick 18:41 paul_p cait, but you're german, so you like beer ! 18:41 sekjal paul_p: that link is to a message I sent out to the koha-devel list just after KohaCon '10 18:41 slef nengard: wine? 18:41 wahanui wine is probably not usually the best for programming :) 18:42 Brooke (find beer replace chocolate) 18:42 paul_p (well, at least, that's what the world think ;-) ) 18:42 slef wahanui: beer? 18:42 wahanui beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. 18:42 nengard slef if i have to choose between the two ... but usually just fruity girly mixed drinks for me 18:42 Brooke arright 18:42 cait paul_p: I don't! 18:42 Brooke back to work you 18:42 Brooke Roles for 3.8 folks 18:42 paul_p it's like for me : all frenchies like escargots. I don't ;-) 18:42 Brooke for Top Sucker I've Paul Poulain 18:42 Brooke aka RM 18:43 paul_p Top Sucker... not sure I'll like this name ;-) 18:43 nengard hehe 18:43 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8 18:44 Brooke no one else for that 18:44 slef I want to be clear that this is only for 3.8, not 4.0 too. 18:44 Brooke any discussion? 18:44 paul_p thanks nengard & sekjal for adding you as doc & qa 18:44 marcelr i like his proposal; will be hard to realize probably, but we probably need more concensus on changing procedures? 18:44 oleonard I agree with slef. 18:44 slef Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time? 18:44 sekjal I have some discussion about paul_p's proposal I'd like to bring up 18:44 Brooke discuss away 18:45 paul_p slef, my proposal is for both 3.8 and 4.0, as I think both must be started at the same time, as 4.0 is a "long term" change in my mind 18:45 sekjal I agree that we need to start thinking past the next timed release cycle 18:45 sekjal but I disagree that Koha 4.0 should be time-released for 12 months after 3.6 18:45 paul_p sekjal, why ? 18:45 sekjal I would counterpropose this: 18:46 sekjal continue the 3.X release cycle on a timed basis 18:46 sekjal 3.8 to 3.10 to 3.12, etc 18:46 sekjal every 6 months 18:46 sekjal meanwhile, starting early in the 3.8 release cycle 18:46 paul_p what would be in 3.10, 3.12,... ? 18:47 paul_p do you mean we would have 2 versions at the same time ? 18:47 wizzyrea (I think he's still talking) 18:47 Brooke ^ 18:47 sekjal the community would get together and enumerate the features that would define Koha 4.0 18:47 cait let's answer one question after the other or this will all get very confusing in here 18:48 sekjal these would be features that would be things we could reasonably expect to complete in the next year or two 18:48 sekjal every 6 months, the features that are well tested and ready for inclusion could be released as part of the 3.X release cycle 18:48 sekjal as we do with master currently 18:48 Brooke #idea long term development goals coupled with short term release cycles 18:49 sekjal we would continue on 3.X until all the features are developed for 4.0 18:49 Brooke (Don't quite like the way that's phrased, so feel free to edit it. Just want to highlight the meat of this.) 18:50 cait and rebase those on current master for 4.0? 18:50 sekjal cait: features would all be on topic branches, based on master 18:50 paul_p cait, I think you rise a good & major point 18:50 sekjal and would need to be rebased frequently 18:50 thd sekjal: I suspect the actual development process depends more on what actually happens than any real overarching plan. 18:50 cait sekjal: ok, thx 18:51 paul_p sekjal, except that if 4.0 include major structural changes, it will quickly be a pain 18:51 paul_p for example : the solR work changes everything in searching. 18:51 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6854] import_borrowers.pl : Double password encryption on member update if there is no password in the csv and no default password value. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6854> 18:51 sekjal paul_p: my hope is that in the stages where we identify the features for 4.0, we also identify the underlying structural changes common to all those features 18:52 sekjal so the 'plumbing' changes can be done first, thus laying the groundwork for all the porcelain 18:52 tajoli IMHO label 4.0 is stritly connect with Solr. That is a big change. it is enough to change number 18:52 paul_p tajoli++ 18:52 Brooke sekjal: this sounds happy for interface design. Am I off? 18:52 paul_p but I plan to do more ! 18:52 paul_p well, I don't say "impossible", but I think it must be evaluated very carefully. 18:53 tajoli And Solr is for international support bugsù 18:53 oleonard Brooke: ? 18:53 sekjal I believe that Solr support is just one of the features that should be part of Koha 4.0 18:53 paul_p the move to Koha name space, solR, ... 18:53 cait I like sekjal's proposal 18:53 cait I am woried about having 2 branches, they will diverge pretty fast and be hard to bring together 18:53 marcelr afraid so too 18:53 sekjal I would also like to see: arbitrary metadata formats, revist patron data structure, mobile templates 18:53 paul_p sekjal, suppose library A sponsor a feature, he will want it "asap". So on 3.x . you'll have to "rewrite" it for 4.0. 18:53 paul_p and that will be a pain. 18:54 ColinC tying a bunch of features to a magic number like 4.0 doesent necessarily work 18:54 Brooke oleonard: if you're planning things out, usage consideration is part of that and might declutter some menus and such 18:54 cait better bring it all together at one point in time 18:54 tajoli In fact Zebra is well for english data, not for a user of mine with greeck + arabic+armenian+ slavic 18:54 paul_p we (biblibre) face this problem already for H:T:P and T:T 18:54 cait and from the same base 18:54 sekjal paul_p: library A needs to understand that just because they sponsor a change doesn't mean it will get into Koha on their schedule 18:54 sekjal it must meet the community's guidelines and procedures 18:54 sekjal which could take longer 18:54 oleonard sekjal++ 18:54 wizzyrea ^^ a very good point 18:54 paul_p sekjal, maybe in US you can explain, but in france, you can't ! 18:55 paul_p in France, the RFP always says "i want this and that, and at this date" 18:55 slef sekjal: I think you mean the community's quality control. 18:55 cait tajoli: we have pretty good experience with hebrew and german 18:55 paul_p that's why we develop on stable, then port on master 18:56 tajoli The problem is the mix of many alphabeths 18:56 paul_p (once a library has adopted Koha it's usually different , fortunatly) 18:56 tajoli In fact Zebra support every alphabeth, but all in the same time !! 18:56 slef I don't feel that I have enough data on the wiki to vote for paul_p for 4.0 and I will not vote for manifesto-free candidates on principle. I'm concerned that Solr's larger server requirements don't compromise our happy Zebra users. 18:57 cait tajoli: I can only tell from my experience, hebrew and roman letters work well for us 18:57 slef ...so all this talk of "Solr changes everything in searching" is a bit scary. 18:57 Brooke okay 18:57 Brooke Sekjal: said your peace? 18:57 paul_p sekjal, what we say is "well, you get the feature X at the expected date, but we can't guarantee when it will be integrated in official Koha. So you may have to wait, or, even, have to abandon your feature. Or stay with your fork" 18:57 schuster slef++ 18:58 tajoli Clerly not. The big work is to do is to add Zebra in parallel 18:58 paul_p slef, have you seen my mail on koha-devel about the work some ppl are doing to have zebra reintegrated ? 18:58 sekjal paul_p: your company can certainly make the contractual arrangements to have a feature on their server by X date 18:59 sekjal and then, yes, they would need to be aware that they'll either need to be on a fork for while, or possibly lose the feature if it never gets accepted 18:59 paul_p (s/can/must ;-) ) 18:59 slef paul_p: maybe not. I'm struggling to follow the lists recently. Got message-id? 18:59 tajoli Now Biblire has done a new API search on Solr. What we need to do is to develop the same API on Zebra 18:59 tajoli The feature are over the API 18:59 paul_p slef: our work on solr change a lot the internals of searching. tajoli & some others have started reintegrated zebra through this new API 19:00 paul_p the API is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later 19:00 mtj the one thing everyone agrees on is that the new Koha::Search code works with both solr and zebra 19:00 sekjal Brooke: I believe I have presented my proposal in it's entirety. I welcome any further feedback or requests for clarification 19:00 paul_p slef = Message-ID: <4E5E3F88.1070508@biblibre.com> 19:00 Brooke if you could go through the log, pick out what you've said, and post it, that'd be fab. 19:01 Brooke cause there's a lot of side talk going on here 19:01 Brooke any further commentary? 19:01 paul_p slef, does it answer your concern ? 19:01 paul_p (well, if you need more clarification, ask on koha-devel or the way you want) 19:02 slef Not in the way you want. It sounds backwards. So the API has been designed for Solr and Zebra is being tacked on as an afterthought? I don't see why what works is being treated as second-class citizen. 19:03 paul_p slef, nope, you misunderstand = we've redesigned the search API to have it modular. And we made the solR stuff (because it was sponsored), tajoli has started the zebra stuff 19:03 slef reading that message to see if I've misunderstood it 19:03 Brooke tajoli++ 19:03 paul_p yep, definetly. 19:03 paul_p tajoli++ 19:04 slef ok, well, we wait and see... this vote should still be for 3.8 not 4.0 IMO 19:04 paul_p tcohen++ 19:04 Brooke It is for 3.8 19:04 Brooke I never said it was for 4.0 19:04 Brooke you clarified 19:04 Brooke the horse has been beaten 19:04 Brooke and beaten once more 19:04 Brooke I do not want to go for three. 19:04 paul_p well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. 19:04 cait Brooke: I think it has to be clarified because Paul's proposal is for both 19:04 paul_p so, my application is for both versions. 19:05 Brooke I realise, but I'm sayin vote on one release at a time 19:05 paul_p yep, I confirm it is. 19:05 Brooke cause our tiny brains can't handle it. 19:05 slef yeah and I had no answer to the direct question: Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time? 19:05 cait Brooke: I think we have to figure this out first before we can vote 19:06 Brooke slef: I think that'd clear things up. 19:06 paul_p Brooke, the problem here is that either I don't start 4.0 because i've not been elected or I start anyway hoping everybody will thank me at the end. 19:06 paul_p I prefer saying things now. 19:07 nengard Do we need an RM for 4.0 to start talking about what 4.0 is going to be? 19:07 nengard can't we just brainstorm without an RM? 19:07 sekjal nengard++ 19:08 marcelr i understand that he wants to run in parallel 19:08 sekjal I feel that anything major enough to warrant a full version number jump is major enough to need as much community input as possible 19:08 slef paul_p: or you could start laying the ground as part of 3.8 and accept that maybe someone else will finish 4.0 or restart it. OK? 19:08 paul_p yep. brainstorm for, say, 2 months, then start works. And do works in // 19:08 cait and i think this is something we have to talk about 19:08 cait it really worries me about Paul's proposal 19:08 cait I like Ian's proposal better 19:09 nengard i'm not following everything we're talking about - but am i right in my understanding that we'd be working on 4.0 and 3.8 at the same time ... essentially creating forks of our own? 19:09 nengard I have a hard enough time testing patches for one version at a time 19:09 cait nengard: agreed - and maintenance for 3.4 19:09 nengard right! 19:09 ColinC and why 3.0 why not 3.10? 19:09 nengard just too much to maintain for our small group 19:10 nengard ColinC you mean 4.0? 19:10 ColinC yes 19:10 paul_p nengard, good point. and sekjal suggestion to have 3.10 / 3.12 ... while workin on 4.0 also has this kind of problem 19:10 mtj i think we don't need to commit to a 4.0 release in 12 months, too 19:10 mtj ... koha 4.0 should be released when its done 19:10 cait paul_p: with ian's proposal we would not have diverging branches 19:11 ColinC ++mtj 19:11 thd mtj++ 19:11 sekjal my proposal would have 3 main branches at once: 3.4.x, 3.6.x and master. this would change to 3.6.x, 3.8.x and master when 3.4 is EOLed 19:11 paul_p ColinC, we use to change the 1st number when there is a major structural change 1=>2 = MARC 2=>3 = zebra 19:11 Brooke 3 > 4 gamification! 19:11 cait I think we can agree to change to 4.0 once we have rewrote the search api for zebra and solr 19:11 * Brooke throws up the horns! 19:11 cait the question is how to make that happen 19:12 paul_p sekjal, it's also my proposal. So I don't understand where our propositions differ ? 19:12 sekjal paul_p: I do not agree with the 1 year timeline for 4.0 19:12 nengard paul you said you'd start 4.0 in november ... that's one month after we start 3.8 19:12 ColinC but we arn't tied to that ... numbers are marketing making things dependent on a magic number holds things up 19:12 Brooke so here's what I'm gonna say 19:12 Brooke it's 3.12 19:12 paul_p nengard, did I said that ? 19:12 Brooke over here. 19:12 Brooke I think we table this part. 19:12 fredericd Paul: Where is published the new search API implement by your SolR search engine? 19:13 Brooke unless someone comes to summat brilliant in like 5 minutes. 19:13 paul_p fredericd, git.biblibre.com 19:13 thd sekjal: Do you think that one year is too short for 4.0? 19:13 paul_p (branch solR or something like that) 19:13 talljoy paulp: you did...(2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. 19:13 slef Brooke: s/table/postpone/ :) 19:13 sekjal and, consequently, I do not think that it's necessary to loosen QA procedures on the road to 4.0, since we can release features as they're truly done and stable 19:13 fredericd paul_p: Could it be available outside the code? 19:13 paul_p I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things 19:14 sekjal thd: I feel that, yes, 1 year may be too short. I feel we should, as a community, define what features will make 4.0 first, and then start working on them 19:14 nengard paul_p ... i thought i read that ... now i'm confused so i'm going to read and stay quiet 19:14 paul_p fredericd, yep. And it should be in english (for instance, docs are in french) 19:14 Brooke so 19:14 Brooke #topic Translation Manager 19:14 thd sekjal: I prefer the way you put it last that we release what is ready without loosening standards 19:15 nengard found it - (2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. 19:15 paul_p nengard, I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things 19:15 cait sekjal: I agree with that too 19:15 cait paul_p: are you open to discuss points from your proposal and have the community vote on them? 19:16 Brooke anyone have objections to Frédéric Demians? 19:16 mtj i think a smooth way to integrate solr ... would be to get Koha:Search:Zebra working first on 3.x 19:16 paul_p i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-) 19:16 paul_p cait, i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-) 19:17 cait so you are willing to change plans eventually? 19:17 paul_p cait, if you convince me the plan you propose is better than mine, of course ! but if I still think my plan is better, then i'll continue to argue. 19:18 paul_p TIMTOWTDI ! 19:18 mtj Brooke: no objections 19:19 thd paul_p: I think that you should set ambitious goals and if they are all realised then that will be great. As long as we have a reasonable procedure for the quality and not abandoning users I am all for every possible great improvement. 19:19 sekjal Brooke: I'm curious about the technical details of Frédéric Demians' proposal 19:19 paul_p fredericd++ 19:19 sekjal but I have no objection 19:19 thd Brooke: objections to fredericd are absent. 19:19 cait no objection 19:20 Brooke k 19:20 Brooke hearing none, I'm going to move down the slate to 19:20 cait i would be willing to assist 19:20 paul_p same for me. I like the idea ! (although technically, how to do it is another question, I agree) 19:20 thd sekjal: please ask about your curiosity while fredericd is here to answer 19:20 Brooke #topic Documentation Manager 19:20 fredericd sekjal: as translation manager? 19:20 Brooke fredericd: yep 19:21 paul_p fredericd, the idea to remove po from main package I think 19:21 nengard chris and paul said that i was doc manager until i died .... so i promise to continue doing my job for 3.8 :) 19:21 fredericd As I explained on the wiki I would like to continue the task 19:21 fredericd The big challenge will be to succeed to extract .po files from Koha main git repository and manage them in a git submodule. 19:21 sekjal fredericd: yes, I'm curious about the git submodule set up you propose. I'm not sure this meeting is the most appropriate time to go into it, though 19:21 fredericd This will slim down git repository size 19:21 paul_p maybe a thread to start on koha-devel ? 19:21 fredericd sekjal: I can't enter into technical details yet 19:22 fredericd I also would like to propose a solution to allow Perl command-line scripts translation: scripts like bulkmarcimport.pl or zebraidx.pl. 19:22 fredericd But it must be discussed first. I'm not sure it's a necessity. 19:22 paul_p fredericd, not sure it will slim that much the repo size, as what has been put in is in the repo forever. even if removed from the tree 19:22 thd fredericd: Is the intent that for those who only want untranslated Koha they can avoid the larger size code base? 19:22 fredericd thd: yes 19:22 Brooke I'm going to put this out there in the big wide open 19:23 fredericd paul_p: you may be correct... 19:23 paul_p that could help having ppl sumitting patches more easily 19:23 paul_p ie : you can push patches on the submodule, while the RM push on koha 19:23 fredericd so we would need to restart a new repo? I don't know 19:23 slef I think you can shallow checkout if you want to save space. 19:23 Brooke meetings are getting longish, and I think that's happening from folks getting slammed at work. Pop in, talk to each other more. Should make for shorter meetings and better communication. 19:23 paul_p workflow for translations / workflow for Koha 19:23 sekjal I move that we move discussion of the git submodule to the koha-devel list 19:23 paul_p Brooke++ 19:23 paul_p agreed 19:23 sekjal and continue with the rest of this meeting's agenda 19:24 Brooke also 19:24 Brooke the agenda is a wiki 19:24 Brooke so if you think of summat, post it 19:24 Brooke and if I don't honour it sufficiently, bring it up again next meeting :) 19:24 Brooke any objections to Nengard being Documentation Manager for Life? (or at least 3.8?) 19:25 nengard LOL 19:25 cait no objection 19:25 tajoli no 19:25 schuster nengard++ 19:25 paul_p no objection 19:25 jcamins_away +1 19:25 cait nengard++ 19:25 marcelr +1 19:25 daniel_g +1 19:25 wizzyrea go go gadget nengard 19:25 Brooke ha ha sucker! 19:25 Brooke oh wait 19:25 paul_p nengard, claire should catch you in the next weeks to see how it is possible to split the docbook in smaller parts 19:25 ColinC +1 19:25 Brooke we're adding more ha ha 19:26 paul_p that would be much esier for translators to deal with smaller files 19:26 nengard paul_p - i'd love a way to do that - but then links from section to section are much harder - which is why i haven't done it 19:26 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services #intro 19:26 Brooke Am I to assume there is also no objection to Documentation of the DB as Nengard too in 3.8? 19:26 nengard regarding db documentation bug 6716 tracks my work on that 19:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation 19:26 paul_p yes, hdl told us. So she's looking for a solution/suggestion/idea to that. 19:26 nengard awesome!! 19:27 paul_p (dunno if she will find something though. Say awesome once she's found ;-) ) 19:27 nengard hehe 19:27 nengard I appreciate help even if it doesn't come to a positive result :) 19:27 Brooke not hearing any so you're saddled for DB stuff too. 19:27 Brooke Bug Wranglers 19:27 nengard okey dokey 19:27 Brooke Ima go with whoever wants it gets it 19:27 nengard shouldn't we be doing #info for the voting? 19:27 Brooke cause we don't have a finite number of slots 19:27 Brooke prolly 19:28 wizzyrea define the job please? 19:28 cait we are not voting today, are we? 19:28 cait nominations 19:28 Brooke #info Nicole C Engard is the Documentation Manager and also Documenting the DB 19:30 Brooke wizzy, I'm taking my play on that from Magnus: Sign off patches, close bugs, keep an eye out for duplicates, help organize 19:30 nengard sorry cait, wrong word i guess 19:30 sekjal also linking 'depends on' and 'blocks' bugs, if possible 19:31 wizzyrea *nod* got it 19:31 * wizzyrea volunteers 19:31 cait nengard: not thinking voting would me a difference here :) 19:31 cait wizzyrea++ :) 19:32 marcelr katrin and magnus already do it, regardless of a formal role 19:32 wizzyrea ^^ 19:32 Brooke which is why we <3 them marcel :) 19:32 cait oh :) 19:32 marcelr <3? 19:32 wizzyrea it's a heart, sideways 19:33 Brooke #topic QA Ian Walls 19:33 slef oh I wondered why everyone was redirecting fd/3 online! 19:33 Brooke any objections with Ian? 19:33 paul_p Everybody is a bug wrangler when he work on bz... 19:34 slef Brooke: seems not 19:35 Brooke on a related note: Ian, do you have a problem with 2 minions instead of just one? 19:35 marcelr ian++ 19:35 cait no objections 19:35 cait sekjal++ 19:35 daniel_g I'm unclear on the process going on here. I thought elections are in October. What is this? 19:35 Brooke Elections are in the beginning of October 19:35 Brooke this is nominations. 19:35 cait nominations... talking about plans and candidates I think 19:35 cait and what is involved doing the job 19:35 daniel_g can someone object to a nomination? 19:35 sekjal I have no objections; as many helpers as I can get is a good thing 19:36 Brooke you can, but it's kind of silly. I've been putting up with it, because I think it's a good idea for a candidate to not be blindsided at an election. 19:36 daniel_g ok, thanks 19:37 Brooke that said, any objections to having both Marcel and Jonathan Druart on the slate? 19:37 wizzyrea none here 19:37 sekjal no objection 19:37 cait no objection 19:37 mtj no objection 19:37 Brooke #info QA manager has Ian Walls 19:37 paul_p agreed 19:38 Brooke #info Assistant QAs are slated as Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart 19:38 Brooke #topic Mason James as Packaging Manager 19:38 Brooke anything? 19:38 wahanui anything is possible with enough development work :) 19:39 mtj i have to assume here, that robin forgot to add himself for this role? 19:40 paul_p what does "packaging task" contain, exactly ? 19:40 Brooke which role? 19:40 wizzyrea packaging manager 19:40 paul_p debian/RH/... packages ? 19:40 mtj the role of Packaging Manager 19:40 Brooke eythian in the house yet? 19:41 Brooke guess not 19:41 mtj i assume its creating .deb and .rpm files from koha releases 19:41 wizzyrea ^^ 19:42 Brooke I'm going to assume there aren't too many folks that are interested and move back to the whole icky RM discussion, because I did say I'd go back 19:43 Brooke I just wanted to get a few things off the list for morale 19:43 Brooke #topic Back to RM 19:43 Brooke keeping in mind it's nominations 19:44 * oleonard gets his internet back 19:44 Brooke I think we have to have a good think about the 3.8 / 4.0 thing 19:44 marcelr should be discussed further on ml? 19:44 Brooke I also think this might be related to the numbering item that is next on the agenda 19:44 Brooke yes, that is a good idea 19:45 sekjal Brooke: yes, that agenda item has already been covered to the poster's satisfaction 19:45 paul_p yep, I think that too 19:45 Brooke keep in mind, ye of incredible procrastination capacity, that 3.8 hits on 22 October, and we've KohaCon on the horizon. 19:45 Brooke so 19:46 Brooke are we agreed that this is moved to the list temporarily? 19:46 slef ok... I'll make more effort to catch up on list 19:46 sekjal agreed 19:46 mtj agreed 19:47 paul_p agred 19:47 Brooke #agreed further discussion of the RM slot is going to be move to the list 19:47 Brooke hooray 19:48 sekjal I will consolidate my proposal as laid out here into an email to koha-discuss and koha-devel 19:48 Brooke #topic Numbering for post 3.8 releases 19:49 Brooke no one? 19:49 wahanui hmmm... no one is working on kiritakikoha 19:50 rangi back 19:50 Brooke welcome back 19:50 Brooke do you have a burning desire to discuss numbering post 3.8? 19:50 mtj hmmm - 3.10 , and then 3.12 ?? 19:50 rangi brooke scroll back 19:50 rangi sekjal answered already 19:51 Brooke arrighty then 19:51 mtj ahh, ok :) 19:51 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011 19:51 slef I always saw the specifics as being for the rm 19:51 Brooke Bear in mind that kmkale has a broken arm and is typing with the wrong hand 19:51 slef ow! 19:52 rangi could link to programme here? 19:52 rangi I would but im on the bus 19:53 slef I;m at dinner so similarly limited for 10mins 19:53 Brooke #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2011 19:53 Brooke sping. 19:53 cait kmkale around? 19:53 slef Brooke++ 19:53 Brooke pfft 19:53 Brooke that's rangi and cait for ye 19:54 slef ? 19:54 Brooke beautification project 19:54 Brooke my wki was uglay 19:54 Brooke anyhoo 19:54 Brooke get to conference 19:54 Brooke it will be a blast 19:55 Brooke there is your programme. We will probably continue to tweak that as the date draws near, but it's a nice overview. 19:56 Brooke any questions, please ask, and hopefully kmkale will address them if I don't know the answers 19:57 Brooke #topic KohaCon2012 19:57 Brooke we have two bids, one from Reno, NV, USA and one from Scotland, UK 19:57 Brooke #info Voting starts 1 October 19:57 Brooke now how do we manage? 19:58 Brooke the suggestion is that we butter up nengard and ask for her survey setup another time 19:59 thd nengard: You are being volunteered. 19:59 cait nengard:plz? :) 19:59 * oleonard checks the fridge for butter 19:59 jcamins nengard isn't here at the moment, so we can volunteer her for anything... right? 19:59 slef 2 options, so I think it's a straight choice of approval or either/or voting. Anyone remember what we used last time? 19:59 paul_p in french we say "missing person are always wrong". So yes, we can volunteer her ;-) 20:00 paul_p we used voting 20:00 thd jcamins: yes, I see no objection from her. 20:00 Brooke jcamins, I concur. ;) 20:00 slef paul_p: yes, what sort? I forget and can't look for an hour :) 20:00 slef anyway nm 20:00 rangi slef ranked votes last time 20:01 paul_p but in this case, shouldn't we think to a rule to avoid having KohaCon in US just 3 years after the previous KohaCon in US 20:01 Brooke if she doesn't read this by like next week and let us know, we'll figure out a fallback, yes? 20:01 rangi stv almost 20:01 jcamins nengard is going to insist (understandably) that the exact wording of the questions be provided by someone else. 20:01 cait stv? 20:01 paul_p (not that I don't want to go to NV) 20:01 slef paul_p: don't change the rules mid-process. Even if I'd like the result, not really fair :) 20:02 slef jcamins: recycle last year's? 20:02 thd paul_p: If we exclude the US and one of two proposals is from the US then there is nothing to vote upon. 20:02 paul_p yep, I agree (and I agree my sentence was not correctly written) 20:02 slef rangi: ta 20:02 paul_p thd, let me rephrase : I think for KohaCon13 and later, we should define a rule to avoid repeated countries 20:02 jcamins slef: there were objections to the questions last year. 20:03 Brooke Paul, I tried and was shot down. 20:03 slef jcamins: got links/detail? 20:03 Brooke so community wins. :) 20:03 jcamins slef: not off the top of my head. I'm at work now. 20:03 slef jcamins: and was I one? ;) 20:03 paul_p well, maybe it's OK (but i'll ask all biblibrarians and french libraries to go & vote for UK ;-) ) 20:03 jcamins slef: yes, you were one of the people objecting, as I recall. 20:03 slef well I can't really phrase it unless nancyk wants to help me :) 20:04 thd Brooke: Was no same country in the following year shot down? 20:04 Brooke that wasn't. 20:04 jcamins paul_p: this USian will be voting for the UK, too. :) 20:04 Brooke having a rotating slate was. 20:04 tajoli In fact as Italian a prefer UK 20:04 Brooke I didn't phrase that right at all 20:04 Brooke but any how 20:05 Brooke #agreed Nengard will hopefully once again be our saviour and create a survey based on what we did last time. 20:05 thd paul_p: Reno is by woods and a lake but much of Nevada is an arid desert. 20:05 slef jcamins: ooh I wonder why? :) 20:05 Brooke and if not, someone else will figure it out in time for the first. 20:06 * slef looks for his memory, but has forgotten where he left it 20:06 jcamins slef: I think the objection was about rank voting. thd may remember, I think he was the one who answered the objection. 20:06 wizzyrea i suspect it's backed up on disk somewhere 20:07 Brooke we're at the two hour mark 20:07 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Days 20:07 slef well rank voting boils down to either/or here anyway. lots are equal with only 2 choice 20:07 Brooke smashing success so far if ye ask me 20:08 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-09-02_Global_bug_squashing_day 20:08 Brooke the twitter feed was neat 20:08 Brooke magnuse++ 20:08 thd I favour score voting in a manner which removes motivation for false strategic voting but that is a topic for the mailing list and a different vote. 20:08 cait yep, gbsd++ 20:09 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-09-02_Global_bug_squashing_day 20:09 thd slef: We should encourage more bidders. 20:10 slef thd: next time... 20:10 wahanui i think next time is in 87 years or something... ;-) 20:10 ibeardslee rangi: some further plugging of Koha planned as part of the my ACCEPTED proposal to talk about the academy at LCA in Jan. 20:10 oleonard that gives us plenty of time 20:10 rangi ibeardslee: awesome! 20:10 slef kohacon2098 20:11 thd As slef identified, the voting method hardly matters if there are only two candidates. 20:11 Brooke #topic Old Business (Actions from Last Meeting) 20:11 slef any objection to a mid month bug squash next time? thoughts on a weekend one? 20:12 cait hi magnuse 20:12 cait weekend one would be nice 20:12 cait but we have one every 2 weeks 20:12 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 20:13 * magnuse drops by briefly 20:13 magnuse slef: feel free to propose dates for gbsd! 20:13 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting 20:13 paul_p slef, at BibLibre, we have a bug squashing session once every 2 fridays, in the morning 20:13 Brooke k movin' on 20:13 Brooke 5th October 10 UTC? 20:14 paul_p 10UTC is what we've decided = 18UTC (today) -8 20:15 * jcamins won't be there, but it seems fair to me. +1 20:15 slef looks ok at a glance 20:15 Brooke going once 20:15 paul_p will be in switzerland on 5th 20:15 magnuse +1 20:15 mtj +1 20:15 Brooke going twice... 20:16 paul_p but someone else from BibLibre will be able to attend (11AM in France) 20:16 cait paul_p: oh nice 20:16 Brooke #agreed 5 October 10 UTC 20:16 cait meeting has already ended, but any thoughts about rmaint? 20:16 Brooke #endmeeting 20:16 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 20:15:55 2011 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 20:16 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.html 20:16 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.txt 20:16 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.log.html 20:16 Brooke ha 20:16 Brooke scurry cats 20:16 Brooke scurry! 20:16 paul_p well, 10PM here, still no dinner, I leave ;-) 20:16 * oleonard scurries 20:16 paul_p bye everybody 20:17 magnuse hm: <Brooke> 19:57:22> #info Voting starts 1 October 20:17 magnuse AGREED: voting closes 1 October (Brooke, 11:08:18) http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.html 20:17 Brooke think about Release Maint for extra credit. 20:17 tajoli Time OK for me 20:17 slef good spot magnuse 20:17 Brooke d'oh 20:17 magnuse we actually decided to close the voting on october 1st... 20:18 slef yeah we'd like that I think 20:18 Brooke I really need to take time and review the agenda before meetings 20:18 magnuse i'll raise the issue on the mailing list tomorrow 20:18 Brooke cause right now 20:18 magnuse gota run now 20:18 Brooke they're kind of cryptic 20:18 magnuse see ya! 20:18 Brooke I'll do it, it was my bad 20:20 slef Brooke: want me to mail you the agenda a few days ahead? 20:21 slef (that's what provokes me to fill in blanks in co-op meeting agendas) 20:22 Brooke nah 20:34 rangi ohh great email about migration from Heritage 20:34 cait yay :) 20:35 wizzyrea very nice 20:35 rangi lets all pile on and say that on the list ;) 20:35 wizzyrea lol 20:35 Brooke up Baile Ãtha Cliath! 20:37 cait night all 20:43 matchew Hi, is it appropriate to ask for help on installing koha in this channel? 20:43 slef it'll do ;) 20:44 matchew well, in that case here is my error: "GetHideLostItemsPreference" is not exported by the C4::Members module 20:44 matchew now to explain 20:44 matchew this is at the end of the installation on centOS 5.6 20:44 matchew when everything seems to be up and running 20:44 slef which koha version? 20:44 matchew ah yes, important 20:44 matchew 3.04.04 20:45 matchew that error is returned from 127.0.0.1 20:45 slef address? 20:45 wahanui address is fne 20:45 matchew there is more to the error, but it spans several lines 20:46 slef @query gethidelostitemspreferences 20:46 huginn slef: No results for "gethidelostitemspreferences." 20:46 slef was worth a try :) 20:47 slef it'll be 15mins before I can look much... don't know if anyone else has seen that... don't think I have 20:47 slef matchew: what address is the error at? 20:47 slef as in the address of the page 20:48 matchew well, its a local address 20:48 matchew and its the landing page 20:48 matchew it was after I thought I had everything configured 20:48 slef sure but it'll tell where to look 20:49 matchew so, th 127.0.0.1:80|:8080 (localhost:8080), etc 20:49 matchew http://mibpaste.com/mvUVch <-- the whole error 20:49 slef ok... I'll look in 15 or maybe someone will get it sooner 20:50 matchew sure 20:50 matchew i'm approaching the end of my work day 20:50 matchew so I may not be here...but I'll leave this up 20:50 slef yeah... almost 22:00 here 20:50 matchew Installing on centOS is not suggested, but I had not choice. I slogged through a lot of errors, but this one has me stumped. 20:51 matchew *had no choice 20:51 slef why no choice and which perl version? 20:52 matchew well, thats the server I was instructed to install it on. 20:52 matchew > This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi 20:53 slef it's possible but not as fun as debian-derived distributions 20:54 matchew tell me about it 20:54 slef didn't I read on lwn.net that centos 5 no longer gets updates? 20:55 matchew possibly 20:55 matchew I did not set up this machine 20:55 matchew but right after they set it up with 5.6 they released 6 20:55 slef http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/#Comments 20:56 slef erm, no 20:56 slef http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/ 20:57 slef upsets me when bosses make workers use old and imperfect tools 20:57 matchew good to know 20:57 matchew well, our old and imperfect production server is centOS 20:57 slef so anyway, you may meet a very hard problem and you may have your bum in the breeze, security-wise 20:57 matchew and they wanted the development server to mirror it 20:58 matchew thankfully the production server is set to be replaced by the end of the fiscal year 20:59 slef oh well that's something to look forward to 20:59 matchew yep 20:59 matchew alright, well. time to call it a day. This problem has me stumped for now. 21:00 slef ok... you know where the logs are? 21:00 slef in case your mibbit goes pop 21:00 matchew I'll leave this open....otherwise I'll give it another go in the morning 21:00 matchew actually I do not 21:00 matchew I have come across the logs in my searches for other questions 21:00 matchew but, dont know exactly where they are kept. 21:00 slef I think it's stats.workbuffer.org.nz 21:00 slef logs? 21:00 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 21:01 slef yay wahanui 21:01 matchew nice 21:01 matchew thanks 21:01 slef np 21:01 matchew well, have a nice night. I'll be around tomorrow 21:01 slef I'll stay and watch the news headlines before looking at your paste :) 21:08 ckirkland is this a good place for general koha questions? 21:09 slef yes but it's a bit quiet just now 21:09 ckirkland okay i'll throw it out there anyway- we're still on 3.2, upgrading to 3.4 soon. We'd really like to have total fines viewable on the "my summary" page for patrons. Is this possible? 21:09 ckirkland as opposed to them having to go to my fines tab 21:11 slef it depends what you mean by possible... everything is possible, given time and money... but can you check the manual and a demo? 21:12 slef I suspect it hasn't changed betwen those versions. 21:13 ckirkland ok, because i saw that in 3.4 more fines details are viewable in the patron check out screen, wasn't sure about the patron side 21:13 ckirkland but didn't find anything in the manual 21:13 slef someone else would know more... also, you could put in an enhancement request 21:14 slef doesn't seem like a tough change to me 21:14 ckirkland okay thanks! 21:15 slef hire a devloper, probavbly be done in an hour or two 21:54 rhcl is there a programmer in the house? 22:09 rangi sup rhcl 22:12 rhcl hey rangi 22:15 rangi not needing a programmer anymore? 22:19 aogle I believe he may have been wanting to ask if anyone knew of a python function to retrieve idle(not system idle, but no input idle) status 22:20 rangi ahh bug does i bet 22:20 rangi bug: ?? 22:21 rangi (bug was one of the organisers of kiwipycon, and a python officianado) 22:22 aogle seems windows has a nice easy function. But linux is lacking the obvious. Searching is greatly hindered by python's IDLE 22:22 rangi who also may be asleep :) 22:23 aogle That's ok. I shall continue to google it away. I'm sure i'll figure out a way 22:39 emery Is anyone availible to help right now? =8D i need some help with the updgrade, i have upgraded to koha 3.4 and after the upgrade, my searches stopped working, anyone want a chalannge? =?) 22:40 rangi why dont you just stay with 3.2.10 22:40 emery because i like some of the features on 3.4 :o 22:41 emery and i want to know why it doesn't work, it is bugging me (the fact i can't fix it) 22:42 rangi well there is no one here different to the other 4 ppl who have tried 22:42 emery the last time we tried everyone left before i finished installing 22:43 rangi i dont know why you keep reinstalling, that wont magically fix it 22:43 emery i only went back once because i needed the search to work 22:44 emery and the first time i had my permissions screwed up 22:55 emery we'll i geuss im not getting any help here 22:57 eythian That's because usually it works, and if it doesn't, that suggests there's something wrong somewhere, diagnosing that via IRC is really hard beyond the basics. 22:58 emery but i can get it to work in 3.2 22:58 eythian as in, if you switch the code back to 3.2, it starts working again? 22:58 emery yea 23:01 eythian same database, same koha-conf.xml? 23:01 emery yep 23:01 emery well, the database is upgraded 23:01 emery but same database 23:02 eythian yeah, 3.2 should work to some degree on a 3.4 database, just some things may break 23:02 emery oh 23:03 eythian you ran the upgrade to 3.4 script? 23:03 emery yes 23:03 emery i think 23:03 emery is it in the install.debian? 23:03 eythian misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run 23:04 eythian that one (from install.debian) 23:04 emery yes 23:04 emery i did 23:04 emery i think it came back with an error though 23:04 eythian well, that may be a clue 23:04 emery let me check 23:05 emery where do i run it? anywhere? 23:05 eythian run it from the base Koha directory 23:05 emery where is that? 23:05 wahanui somebody said that was the problem 23:05 eythian wahanui: forget that 23:05 wahanui eythian: I forgot that 23:06 eythian it's wherever you installed koha to. 23:06 emery lol 23:06 eythian It contains a directory called 'C4' amongst a lot of others. 23:06 emery i may have forrgotten that, where is the default? 23:06 eythian I don't think there is a default 23:06 emery oh 23:06 emery i will go looking then 23:06 eythian what does 'locate C4' say? 23:07 emery /usr/share/koha/lib 23:07 emery is that where i run it then 23:08 emery or do i run it in /usr/share/koha 23:08 eythian hmm. maybe. What does 'locate remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl' say? 23:10 emery /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance 23:10 eythian erm. Maybe something else, too? 23:11 emery there is 2 other ones, but they are in the downloaded folder 23:12 emery when i downloaded koha, i put it in koha-3.4 23:12 emery they are both in there 23:12 emery then that other one is 23:12 emery /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance 23:12 eythian the proc one is not useful, what are the other ones? 23:13 emery /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 23:13 emery and 23:13 emery /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 23:13 eythian hmm, well, it can run from there. 23:13 emery ok 23:15 emery command not found 23:16 eythian pastebin the contents of /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 23:16 emery i ran it with perl in front and it worked 23:16 emery no error 23:16 eythian ah OK. It did say something though? 23:16 emery nope 23:17 eythian like, it wasn't all blank? 23:17 emery i pushed enter, then 3 seconds later emery@koha-server:`/ came back up 23:17 eythian it should finish saying "123 records processed" 23:17 emery nope 23:17 emery should i use sudo? 23:18 eythian no 23:18 emery should i run it as koha? 23:18 emery or anyuser would be fine 23:19 eythian what does 'echo $KOHA_CONF' say? 23:19 eythian this may be blank 23:19 eythian any user should be OK 23:19 emery /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 23:19 eythian ah right 23:20 emery good bad? =:s 23:20 eythian good. 23:20 emery =:) 23:21 eythian I can't see anything that would cause that script to not return anything though (well, unless you used --silent, which I presume you didn't) 23:21 emery nope 23:21 eythian try it without --run, it should give you a help message. 23:21 eythian can you paste your exact command line? 23:22 emery - where use this to limit mods to selected biblios 23:22 emery no 23:22 emery --run preform update 23:22 eythian wait 23:22 eythian so it did give you a help message 23:22 emery -- help or -h show this message 23:22 emery ^^ is what it printed 23:23 emery =:s 23:23 eythian ah, I got confused above. 23:23 emery ok 23:23 emery it says after you should re-index zebra 23:24 eythian yeah. but it should also say how many records it processed when you run it 23:24 emery it doesn't, i will try again 23:24 eythian OK. 23:24 emery yeah. nope 23:25 eythian try it with '-where blarg' at the end. This should cause it to fail. I want to see exactly how it fails. 23:25 emery ok 23:26 emery it just shows the help text agian 23:26 eythian copy and paste your exact command line 23:26 emery i cannot 23:26 emery diffrent computer 23:26 emery did you want me to manuly do it? 23:26 eythian that won't make things easier at all 23:27 eythian yeah. and be exact. 23:27 emery my ubuntu cannot run jave:( 23:27 emery my ubuntu cannot run java:( 23:27 emery ok 23:27 eythian what do you need java for? 23:28 emery to run the chat, whatever add-on it trys to install when i go to here on it it says it cant run it 23:28 eythian I think ubuntu comes with an IRC client. 23:28 emery emery@koha-server:~/Desktop/koha-3.04.04/misc/maintenance$ perl remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl -- run 23:29 eythian huh. what does 'echo $PERL5LIB' return? 23:29 eythian wait 23:29 eythian you have a space in there after the -- 23:29 eythian that shouldn't be there. 23:29 emery oh 23:29 emery i dont in the code :) 23:30 eythian ok 23:30 emery /usr/share/koha/lib 23:32 eythian hmm, that looks OK too 23:33 emery that is good and bad 23:33 emery bad - does not help 23:33 emery good - is not broken :) 23:33 eythian yeah 23:33 emery is there a way you can virtuly connect to my computer? 23:34 emery like logmein or something? 23:34 eythian I really don't have time for that, I'm supposed to be working. 23:34 emery hah, lol 23:35 emery would anyone else be interested in that? 23:35 emery maybe rangi is still here 23:35 eythian rangi is also at work 23:35 wahanui okay, eythian. 23:35 rangi yeah, im working to 23:35 rangi you could hire someone 23:35 emery when do you stop working? 23:36 rangi ok, to be brutally honest 23:36 rangi ive invested all the time in this i am going to for free 23:36 rangi there are too many other things to do 23:36 emery ahh 23:36 emery ok 23:36 emery what about eythian 23:37 eythian much the same situation really, I'm pretty much stumped. 23:37 emery yes, but you could try things if you could see my computer / set up, yes? 23:37 eythian I'm sure you can find someone with Linuxy experience locally who'll be able to do it. 23:38 emery i dont :o 23:38 eythian I fully expect that that would take hours to set up. 23:38 emery and it is not linux problem, i think it is something to do eith koha, wich they would not know how to fix 23:38 emery i am fine with tha 23:38 emery i am fine with that 23:39 eythian I'm not though. I have plenty of people who are paying me to do their Koha stuff that I need to attend to too. 23:39 emery :( 23:41 emery i will try mailing list 23:41 emery goodbye, thanks for your help :) 23:41 eythian my suggestion is to keep poking at zebra, and looking at your database. Make sure that koha can see records, even if it can't search. 23:41 emery it can see records 23:41 emery check in / check out work 23:41 emery if i put n item on a list 23:41 eythian Ensure that there is actually something there that you're searching for. 23:41 emery opac can see it 23:41 eythian ah OK 23:42 emery yes, i have made sure that works :) 23:42 emery bye 23:42 eythian and double-check the reindexing. 23:42 eythian It's 99% certain the issue is around the zebra setup. 23:42 emery probably 23:43 eythian if you post to the list, include as much detail as you possibly can. 23:43 eythian You can't include too much. 23:43 eythian output from commands, and so on. 23:43 eythian including the exact command lines you used. 23:43 eythian It may be someone else has some inspiration from it. 23:46 emery ok