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23:59 em ok
23:59 eythian but I expect so
23:58 em ok
23:58 eythian try it and find out
23:58 em that will fix it?
23:58 em ok\
23:58 eythian sudo aptitude install libtemplate-toolkit-perl should do it
23:58 em yes
23:58 eythian you're on Debian/Ubuntu?
23:58 em yes
23:57 eythian well, are you upgrading from 3.2?
23:57 em how do i install that?
23:57 eythian you probably don't have Template::Toolkit installed
23:56 em anyone?
23:54 em Failed test 'use C4::Print'
23:54 em i need help, error on make test for upgrade to 3.04.04 error : C4:PRINT failed to find template.pm in @INC
22:12 em still here ;)
22:06 em well, if anyone has any help they could email me at emery.cairns@gmail.com -- i am going to find something to do :(
22:06 em meeting on september 7th ... that might be a good time to show up ;)
22:03 em Anyone else wanna test there skils in koha and ubuntu ;) ???
22:01 em :)
22:01 em thanks for your help
22:01 em ok
22:00 * rangi goes back to work
22:00 em that sound boring ;)
22:00 rangi id suggest finding a good intro to linux book and reading it
22:00 em :/
22:00 rangi running a server isnt easy, and understanding basics like users and permissions etc are vital before you try to admin a server
22:00 em ok, how would i fix the perrmissions then?
21:59 rangi you might want to learn a bit about linux server administration though
21:59 rangi no
21:59 em should i re-do the update?
21:59 rangi but its definitely to do with you messing up the permissions
21:59 em :(
21:59 em ok
21:59 rangi ah well, im afraid im out of time, i have to do some work now
21:58 rangi heh, theres nothing random about it
21:58 em search broken
21:58 em nope
21:58 em there is 2 lines of random crap, then it goes that
21:58 rangi k, try a search now
21:58 em yes
21:58 rangi what ones are there
21:58 em oh
21:58 em it does not look like it
21:57 em umm, looking
21:57 rangi that looks like that
21:57 em ?
21:57 rangi zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
21:57 rangi is there one
21:57 em it brings up a bunch of random things with zebrasrv in red
21:56 em thanks ;)
21:56 rangi ctrl-c
21:56 em how do i get out?
21:56 em opps, i did ;)
21:55 rangi you must have missed a " then
21:55 em it just goes to >
21:55 em what do i enter after that
21:55 rangi check its running
21:54 rangi ps axf | grep "zebrasrv"
21:54 em Starting Zebra Server
21:54 em oh, it said it was though
21:54 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start
21:54 rangi k so it wasnt running
21:53 em failed to find pid for koha-zebra-ctl.koha : no such file or directory
21:53 em fatal error
21:53 em yep :)
21:53 rangi (no more error 109 eh?)
21:52 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon restart
21:52 em how do i do that
21:52 em ok
21:52 em but no errors as far as i can see
21:52 rangi you will have to restart zebrasrv
21:52 em still broke
21:52 em nope
21:51 em testing
21:51 em i think it worked
21:51 em :D
21:51 em ok
21:51 rangi then hit the up arrow a few times till you get the rebuild command back, and run that again
21:50 rangi sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lib/koha
21:50 rangi and then
21:50 rangi sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha
21:50 em ok
21:50 em it is /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..
21:50 rangi can you do this
21:50 rangi right
21:50 em it is /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..
21:49 rangi /var/lock/koha ?
21:49 em no]
21:49 rangi is it /var/lib/koha ?
21:49 em did you want all of them or just one?
21:49 em i have to do manuly as i am on diff. computer
21:48 em ok
21:48 rangi can you paste that in please
21:48 em yes
21:48 rangi does it give the full path?
21:48 em opps
21:48 rangi so zebrasrv cant read the files
21:48 em opps
21:48 rangi and the permissions are now all messed up
21:48 rangi right i suspect whats happened is you ran it as root once right?
21:48 em search still broken
21:47 em no errors, but in log it says permission denied zebra_lock_create fail
21:46 em nevermind again
21:46 em cant open perl script
21:46 em nevermind
21:45 em command not found
21:44 em wait ...
21:42 em ok
21:42 rangi include koha-conf.xml
21:42 em wow, slow down here :) do i incude /koha-conf.xml ? or just /etc/koha
21:41 rangi and export KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB etc
21:41 em ok
21:41 rangi or you can sudo su - koha
21:41 rangi (fix the /path/to bits)
21:41 em ok
21:41 em wow
21:40 rangi sudo -u koha KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /path/to/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -v -r
21:40 em /etc/koha
21:40 em i am searching for it
21:40 em ok
21:39 rangi 2 ways you can do it
21:39 rangi where is your koha-conf.xml file?
21:39 em sudo ...?
21:39 em how do i do that,
21:38 rangi so you need to run rebuild_zebra as koha
21:38 em ok
21:38 rangi so zebrasrv is running as koha
21:38 rangi right
21:38 em USER=koha
21:38 rangi what is something
21:38 rangi USER=something
21:38 rangi at the top
21:38 rangi is what i would do
21:38 rangi less /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
21:38 em ok, what am i looking for?
21:37 em ok
21:37 rangi yes
21:37 em open it?
21:37 em what?
21:37 rangi less that file
21:36 em yes
21:36 rangi is there a file koha-zebra-daemon ?
21:36 em ok
21:36 rangi look in /etc/init.d/
21:35 rangi first we have to find what user is running zebrasrv
21:35 em how do you switch users in the terminal?
21:35 em i used the koha live cd
21:35 em when i turn it on
21:34 em it does it by itself
21:34 rangi no, how are you running it, how is it started?
21:34 em ubuntu
21:34 rangi how are you running zebrasrv?
21:34 rangi whatever you chose when installing
21:34 wahanui the default is ports for those who dont have access/skills to run dns
21:34 em what is the default?
21:33 rangi no
21:33 em what user is the default? kohaadmin
21:33 em umm
21:33 rangi are you 100% sure you are running zebrasrv and the rebuild_zebra as the same user?
21:32 em and i would fix this how?
21:32 rangi theres your problem
21:32 em could not select database - error 109
21:31 em doing it right now
21:31 em ok
21:31 rangi as the switches
21:30 rangi do it with -b -x -v -r
21:30 em ok
21:30 rangi never nozebra
21:30 rangi zebra
21:30 em nozebra or zebra
21:30 em what should i rebuild?
21:30 em ok
21:30 rangi yes, it should be set to use
21:30 em ok
21:30 rangi im at work, gimme a minute
21:29 em ...
21:29 em is that good?
21:28 em the prefrence NoZebra is set to USe
21:28 em ok
21:28 wahanui nothing is ever gone in git
21:28 rangi nothing
21:28 em what does the prefrence NoZebraIndexes do?
21:28 rangi make sure its not set to use nozebra
21:28 rangi nozebra
21:27 em is zebra in sys prefrences?
21:27 em just a sec
21:27 em ok
21:27 rangi to see if it outputs any errors
21:26 rangi also try the reindex with -v
21:26 rangi and when you reindex do you do it as the same user that is running zebrasrv
21:26 em i will check
21:26 em i am pretty sure i do
21:26 rangi and you have zebra switched on system preferences?
21:26 em yes
21:26 rangi is zebrasrv running?
21:25 em i dont know anything about it
21:25 em yes, but i cant get zebra to work
21:25 rangi didnt you install that already ?
21:25 em 3.4.40
21:25 rangi which is?
21:25 em everything, went to newest update
21:24 rangi what did you update?
21:22 em it stopped working after update :(
21:22 em all of my searches are broken, i have re-indexed zebra and still nothing
21:22 em i know absolutly nothing :(
21:22 em Can anyone help me with zebra?
21:10 druthb hi, trea!
21:09 trea hi rangi
21:09 trea o/
20:50 druthb thanks! :)
20:50 rangi wb druthb
20:49 druthb o/
20:47 rangi sup trea
20:14 cait :)
20:14 rangi cya cait
20:13 cait good night all
19:51 rangi its always the museums busiest days here
19:50 rangi cool
19:50 bg lunch time here
19:50 bg ok I'll bbiab
19:49 rangi but I think public holidays are the best day for them to be open
19:49 rangi u know it'd suck for the librarians working it
19:48 druthb very
19:48 rangi quiet day in the us today eh?
19:45 bg hey a rangi
19:45 rangi heya bg
19:44 bg be hard to beat that today
19:44 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.7�C (12:44 PM PDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling).
19:44 bg @wunder 93109
19:44 rangi and marshmallows? :)
19:41 druthb Got enough wood here for a fire tonight, too. :)
19:41 rangi sweet
19:41 druthb I started a campfire this morning, let that run for a while, and worked at the picnic table close by. :)
19:40 cait autumn like here :(
19:40 cait brr
19:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.7�C (9:38 PM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady).
19:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:40 druthb yeah. The minion thinks it's still cold.
19:40 rangi 20 is nice
19:39 druthb Warmed up a bunch so far...
19:39 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 20.0�C (1:56 PM CDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
19:39 druthb @wunder sioux falls, SD
19:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on September 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
19:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz
19:39 rangi ahh that sounds like wellington mornings :)
19:38 druthb Sioux Falls, SD. Lovely campground, but chilly early in the morning, for tenters. was 7C this morning.
19:38 rangi heya traveller, where you at now?
19:38 cait morning rangi :)
19:37 druthb hi, rangi!
19:37 rangi morning
19:01 jcamins Apparently FedEx office uses Snapfish.
18:59 jcamins $0.09 at FedEx Office.
18:59 jcamins Costco has 4x6 prints for $0.13.
18:58 druthb I've done photo printing at Kinko's before, and they did a good job.
18:58 cait hi jared
18:58 cait no idea :)
18:57 jcamins Where should I have photos printed?
18:36 cait hi druthb:)
18:35 druthb hi, cait! :)
18:35 cait hi #koha
16:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5916] Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5916>
15:08 reiveune bye
13:47 slef mtj: main site looks up. Worth an email to info@katipo you think?
13:20 lastnode that's true
13:19 jcamins The advantage of having the year is that it makes it easier to search through paper accession records.
13:19 lastnode and it is an option. it's not like having the year makes it a lot easier to find stuff
13:18 lastnode if yo want to pre-preint labels
13:18 lastnode jcamins: i guess starting frm 0000 makes it easier
13:18 lastnode that's true, jcamins :)
13:14 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 8.0�C (7:56 AM CDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
13:14 druthb @wunder sioux falls, sd
13:14 jcamins Morning, druthb. :)
13:13 jcamins lastnode: yeah, but how confident would you be that you're going to use all 500?
13:11 lastnode hi druthb
13:11 druthb mornin'.
13:07 lastnode jcamins: oh, right. i guess you could potentially print 500 for each year? :)
12:57 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/
12:57 mtj hmmm , koha list is down?
12:15 * slef thinks it's clearly time for lunch. Overwork is starting to show.
12:15 slef Some node I wasn't sure of, but I was in the middle of. Some node I forget now, but I've seen too little of.
12:14 slef Sweep it into the corner, or hide it under the bed. Say these nodes they go away, but they never do.
12:14 slef this is the lastnode that I will say these words. I remember the firstnode. The first of many lies.
12:10 lastnode just leaving work ill be back online ina while
12:10 lastnode jcamins: thanks again
12:07 jcamins The benefit of the other scheme, though, is that it's easier to make preprinted labels.
12:06 jcamins At least, that's my opinion.
12:06 jcamins Yes.
12:06 lastnode i guess YYYY-000x is morescalable
12:05 lastnode for barcodes, koha defaults to 000x or YYYY-000x
12:05 jcamins The call number is for the user, the barcode is for the staff.
12:05 jcamins The serial/barcode is key.
12:05 jcamins Exactly.
12:05 lastnode and i guess each book can have a serial/barcode for us to keep track of both editions and copies
12:05 lastnode right, yeah
12:04 jcamins If they're in alphabetical order, people will be able to find the book they need, even if several books share the same call number.
12:04 lastnode and the call number is basically for that, got it
12:04 jcamins The person reshelving needs to put the books in alphabetical order.
12:04 jcamins Not necessarily.
12:04 lastnode and another unique for each copy
12:04 lastnode we'd need anotherunique number for The Pelikan Brief
12:03 jcamins Right.
12:03 lastnode but say if it's GRI for Grisham
12:03 jcamins Yup.
12:03 lastnode and i guess as we go alon gand make mistakes we can always reclassify
12:03 jcamins Right.
12:03 lastnode so they would be DDC numbered
12:03 lastnode right, that was maybe a bad example
12:03 jcamins That's more like "literature."
12:02 jcamins Well, that's not really fiction.
12:02 lastnode i apologise if many of these questions are very basic. i realise that this channel is full of librarians!
12:02 lastnode jcamins: so for shakespeare it would be FIC SHA and then we'd need to have a unique number to identify the play itself
12:00 lastnode ok
11:57 jcamins In most libraries, it's either FIC COL for an adult book or J FIC COL for a juvenile book.
11:57 lastnode ok
11:57 jcamins Just J.
11:57 lastnode Juvenile / Adult
11:57 lastnode so what other variables go in the J column
11:57 jcamins Nope.
11:57 lastnode jcamins: is there a guide for this classification?
11:56 jcamins Juvenile and the first three letters of the author's last name, respectively. :)
11:55 lastnode whatis J and COL?
11:55 lastnode i get FIC
11:55 lastnode jcamins: J FIC COL
11:54 jcamins Exactly.
11:54 lastnode right
11:54 lastnode and fiction is such a huge genre
11:53 lastnode jcamins: bc then a ton of books have 812, for xample
11:53 jcamins That's the way most public and school libraries in the US work- fiction doesn't have classification numbers, just simple call numbers.
11:52 jcamins For the nonfiction books, you need to use DDC.
11:52 lastnode hmmm
11:52 lastnode int eh long run, to include other books too
11:52 lastnode jcamins: but we'dwant to use a classification system that is scalable
11:52 jcamins Faster for the cataloger.
11:52 jcamins Use something like: J FIC COL
11:51 lastnode just use cutter directly?
11:51 jcamins Or, rather, classification numbers.
11:51 lastnode ok
11:51 jcamins If it's fiction, I recommend against using call numbers at all.
11:51 lastnode jcamins: most of the library is fiction. is it ok to just use 812 (for example) and then include a cutter number + work mark?
11:50 jcamins Good luck.
11:50 jcamins You're welcome.
11:49 lastnode *LC. thanks jcamins
11:49 lastnode i guess ill stick with the LOC for now
11:48 lastnode oh right
11:48 jcamins The paid version of Worldcat.
11:48 jcamins I mean you have to have a subscription to OCLC.
11:47 jcamins No.
11:47 lastnode server is timing out atm
11:47 lastnode by ocllc you mean http://deweybrowser.oclc.org/ddcbrowser2/ right?
11:47 jcamins Looks like OSS Labs is busy.
11:46 wahanui jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
11:46 lastnode ok jcamins
11:46 jcamins I don't think anyone else is guaranteed to have one.
11:46 jcamins LC will always have a DDC.
11:46 jcamins There is no central server other htan OCLC.
11:46 lastnode will z39.50 searches/imports from reputed targets (LOC etc.) return a fairly standard dcc call number for every entry?
11:45 lastnode i can just query when im not sure?
11:45 lastnode jcamins: is there a (semi)central dewey authority/server
11:45 lastnode jcamins: more than one discipline etc. but this pdf is great, thanks
11:43 jcamins What's confusing about it?
11:43 jcamins http://www.oclc.org/dewey/versions/ddc22print/intro.pdf
11:42 lastnode but the decimal is confusing (seconday classification)
11:42 lastnode im familiar now with ddc number / cutter number / work mark
11:42 jcamins Well, DDC is pretty straightforward, really.
11:42 jcamins Ah.
11:41 lastnode and we're both trying to get the basics down as we deploy koha
11:41 lastnode jcamins: im trying to wrap my head around dewey/cutter because the librarian at the school i work is not a real librarian (administrative assistant onwhom 'librarian' was thrust)
11:40 jcamins My hosting provider had a major DOS incident overnight.
11:40 jcamins What's the question?
11:39 kf_away perhaps jcamins can help you here
11:39 kf_away ddc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
11:39 wahanui kf_away: I forgot ddc
11:39 kf_away forget ddc
11:39 wahanui ...but ddc is a standard...
11:39 kf_away wahanui: ddc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
11:38 lastnode (before the decimal is pretty easy)
11:38 lastnode and i meant ddc, not dcc, my bad
11:38 lastnode im talking after the decimal mainl,y kf_away
11:37 lastnode ok
11:36 kf_away how deep down in the hierarchy
11:35 kf_away but I think how far you go using it depends on the library
11:35 kf_away ddc is a standard
11:34 wahanui rumour has it dcc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
11:34 mtj dcc?
11:34 mtj dcc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
11:30 lastnode ?
11:30 lastnode can i safely assuem it is a standard
11:30 lastnode adn pulls in the dcc number
11:30 lastnode when koha pulls in stuff from z39.50 searches
11:26 kf_away lastnode: what did you wan to know?
11:26 kf_away a lot of libraries have their own classifications
11:26 kf_away public libraries often use asb, academic sometimes use rvk
11:25 kf_away there are different things
11:25 lastnode what do you guys use?
11:25 lastnode ohok
11:24 kf_away it's not widely used in Geramny
11:24 kf_away I am not sure I can help you with dewey
11:15 lastnode the librarian at school is not a trained one either. it is a small library and we are both still learning
11:14 * lastnode is not a librarian
11:14 lastnode kf_away: im just wrapping my head around dewey/cutter. was wondering if i could ask you some noob questions
11:07 wahanui thanks kf_away :)
11:07 kf_away wahanui botsnack gummibärchen
11:07 kf_away lastnode: half
11:03 lastnode botsnack wahanui
11:03 wahanui there is no spoon.
11:03 lastnode kf_away: there?
10:41 rangi shes on vacation, well deserved and yeah pipes is lame like that, pity theres nothing that does the same thing
10:40 slef http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs even
10:39 slef and bleah, nengard is the only admin and is afk right?
10:39 slef http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=538a59d9f0763d117a5ee0e15ed6ca48
10:38 rangi hmm not me
10:38 slef anyone know if the koha blogs yahoo pipe is OK?
10:20 kf_away hi slef
10:18 rangi yep
10:18 slef tried to reply, got AV test
10:17 rangi you saw taht too?
10:17 slef hi all
10:17 slef grrr turnkey linux
09:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6318] fields missing when editing a layout <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6318>
08:58 kf_away thx for helping me figure it out :)
08:58 kf_away rangi++
08:56 kf_away I am updating the bug
08:49 kf_away I think the expected part makes it confusing
08:49 kf_away that good too
08:46 rangi on hold for .. at .... since ...
08:46 rangi if you are going to rearrange it
08:46 rangi id change expected to
08:45 rangi right
08:45 kf_away so more clear (to me) would be: On hold for ... since ... expected at ...
08:45 kf_away On hold for Benutzer B expected at BSZ-Bibliothek since 05/09/2011
08:44 kf_away to me it sounds like: it's expected since , but the date still belongs to the hold part
08:44 kf_away and I see, I got the order wrong
08:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4298 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , title detail display: improve the verbiage related to item level holds
08:44 kf_away bug 4298
08:44 kf_away oh
08:43 rangi well it makes sense to me, its saying the oldest reserve has been there since the 5th, and it needs to go to such and such branch to fill it
08:42 kf_away I ould file a bug report and see what others say - perhaps liz can make sense of it
08:42 kf_away not much better
08:41 rangi sorry 2007 december 24
08:41 kf_away hmpf
08:41 rangi been like that since 2004
08:41 kf_away my title level holds only say: checked out to
08:41 kf_away if that helps
08:41 kf_away it only occurs for item level holds
08:40 kf_away but does it still make sense to you? or is it me not getting what it's trying to tell me?
08:40 rangi right its pre template toolkit
08:39 rangi lemme git blame it
08:39 rangi [% END %]
08:39 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.reservedate ) %][% itemloo.reservedate %][% END %]
08:39 rangi [% ELSE %]
08:39 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.waitingdate ) %][% itemloo.waitingdate %]
08:39 kf_away or expected at due_date
08:39 rangi since
08:39 kf_away why not say, on hold since....
08:38 kf_away but I don#t get the expected part really
08:38 kf_away I feel dumb
08:38 rangi if it has a waitingdate it will just say at
08:38 rangi it will say expected at
08:38 rangi but no waitingdate
08:38 rangi so if the item has a reserve date
08:37 rangi right
08:37 kf_away null
08:37 rangi is waitingdate set?
08:37 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.waitingdate ) %] at[% ELSE %]expected at
08:37 kf_away almost empty, only one entry for different itemnumber
08:36 kf_away ah branchtransfers
08:36 kf_away which is that?
08:36 kf_away hm tansfers table?
08:35 kf_away found is null
08:35 kf_away reserves has one hold
08:35 rangi see if the status is w
08:34 rangi id check the db, check the reserves table, and the transfers table
08:34 kf_away I imported record and item together
08:34 kf_away hm never tried it, but no
08:34 rangi i can
08:34 rangi on the biblio
08:34 kf_away you can't place holds on records without items?
08:33 kf_away how would I do that?
08:33 rangi and you didnt place the hold before you added the item?
08:33 kf_away this item has never been returned
08:33 kf_away I was creating test cases for sip testing, so I did everything from scratch
08:32 kf_away and that's the status after that
08:32 kf_away hold for b
08:32 kf_away checked out to a
08:32 kf_away because: new item
08:32 rangi does to me
08:32 kf_away still doesn't make sense
08:32 rangi so was returned then
08:32 kf_away hm
08:32 rangi it was marked waiting on the 5th
08:31 kf_away my item was not on transfer
08:31 kf_away doesn't make sense to me
08:31 kf_away hm
08:31 rangi but someone then issued it out after that
08:31 rangi because it was marked as on transfer to there on the 5th
08:29 kf_away so why would it be expected to be at the bsz-bibliothek since 5th?
08:28 kf_away because it's still checked out and the due_date is 26th
08:28 kf_away I don't understand the expected part
08:28 kf_away ok
08:27 rangi yep
08:15 kf_away does this make sense?
08:08 kf_away Checked out to Benutzer A : due 26/09/2011 On hold for Benutzer B expected at BSZ-Bibliothek since 05/09/2011 ?
08:01 huginn kf_away: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2�C (9:59 AM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
08:01 kf_away @wunder Konstanz
07:56 kf_away hi rangi
07:53 rangi evening
07:50 kf_away have to finish this tests first
07:50 kf_away yeah, will try to
07:50 lastnode you might want to to file a bug repor then, kf_away?
07:50 lastnode ok
07:50 kf_away lastnode: I was not using matching rules, so no. I had the branch code wrong in my data, trying again now
07:49 kf_away lastnode: thx :)
07:49 huginn 04Bug 6713: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching
07:49 lastnode kf_away: could it have something to do with this bug? - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713
07:47 kf_away a problem in my data, but I wonder why it said successful
07:47 kf_away foudn the problem...
07:42 kf_away the report tells me 13 items were added, but I see none of them on my records
07:42 kf_away is someone aware of a problem with adding items from staged marc import?
07:41 kf_away hm
07:25 lastnode hi hdl
07:12 hdl hi
06:54 lastnode hi reiveune
06:47 reiveune hello
06:08 alex_a hi lastnode
06:07 lastnode o/
06:07 lastnode hi kf hi alex_a
06:06 kf hi alex_a
06:05 alex_a hello all
05:42 kf good morning #koha
05:21 lastnode oh, right.thanks eythian
05:21 eythian the contents of /var/koha/instancename and /etc/koha/instancename
05:20 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-restore
05:20 lastnode just zebra indexes?
05:20 lastnode what does tar.gz have though
05:20 eythian yeah
05:20 lastnode yeah as in using mysql itself?
05:20 lastnode i think someone toldme otherwise here a while back
05:20 eythian tbh, I usually find myself just using the db dump and importing from it.
05:20 lastnode gotcha
05:20 lastnode oh, right
05:20 eythian it'll do the create etc. itself.
05:20 eythian no, for using koha-restore, just do koha-restore instance.sql.gz instance.tar.gz (or similar)
05:19 lastnode assuming i ddid koha-dump samedatabasename on a remote box
05:19 lastnode right?
05:19 lastnode and hten koha-restore samedatabasename
05:19 lastnode koha-create --createb samedatabasename
05:19 lastnode recovery process is
05:19 lastnode ok
05:18 eythian as it won't even need to reindex zebra
05:18 eythian but having both of them means you can do a really fast recovery
05:18 eythian the .sql.gz is the most important, the rest can be recreated without too much difficulty.
05:18 lastnode which parts go to .sql.gz and which go to .tar.gz
05:17 lastnode just trying to understand when i run koha-dump
05:17 eythian yep
05:17 lastnode eythian: the configs themselves, like System PReferences, Libraries Items etc. are all in the db right?
05:16 cait time to go
05:15 cait ok, it stopped raining :)
05:12 eythian But it's obviously up to what you want to do with it :)
05:12 eythian I like to split it up when I'm hosting more than one on a server, just to see what sort of use each one is getting.
05:11 lastnode eythian++
05:11 lastnode so the default option works fine
05:11 lastnode i think having it in one access log makes sense for me
05:11 lastnode ok, thanks eythian
05:11 eythian it appears it doesn't
05:10 eythian (actually, to be fair, I haven't checked to see if it logs to both or now)
05:10 eythian you can probably tell it to log to two places
05:10 eythian don't think so, no
05:04 lastnode anyway yeah, gotta keep an eye on the access log. if i enable #TransferLog for both vhosts, eythian, it will also log to other_vhosts_access.log?
05:03 lastnode it's looking for some JBOSS resource
05:03 lastnode 61.160.201.26 - - [03/Sep/2011:23:16:18 -0400] "GET //jmx-console/HtmlAdaptor HTTP/1.1" 302 202 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)"
05:02 eythian yeah, that'd be likely.
05:02 eythian probably
05:02 lastnode i guess they just scan linode subnets
05:01 lastnode yeah, spam bots?
05:01 lastnode only 2 people know this VPS exists lol
05:01 eythian it'll be a bot
05:01 lastnode and there is a chinese ip who has hit :8080
05:01 lastnode oh yeah it's tehre, eythian thanks
04:58 eythian but yeah, I usually turn it on
04:58 eythian /var/log/apache2 I think
04:58 lastnode oh, at whatpath?
04:58 eythian no, by default it ends up under virtualhosts_access.log or something along those lines
04:58 lastnode adn i turn it on by uncommenting?
04:58 lastnode ok, so by default, transfer log is turned off?
04:57 lastnode (opac and intranet). and /var/log/apache2/access.log doesnt show hits to those sites
04:57 eythian people want different setups, so I just have a default that can be edited.
04:57 eythian yeah
04:57 lastnode it has #transferlog and #rewritelog commented out for both virtualhosts
04:57 lastnode eythian: also, i notice in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mykohasite
04:56 eythian yep
04:56 eythian but yeah, for now just have a cron job that runs koha-dump
04:56 lastnode and apt-get upgrade will pull the new release in?
04:56 lastnode ok
04:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6275 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Automated backups of data and config
04:56 eythian the next release will have bug 6275 included. This means you can just grab them from /var/spool/koha
04:56 lastnode or is tehre another method?
04:56 lastnode if i write a bash script, should i make it run koha-dump, then grab the files and scp them somewhere
04:55 lastnode eythian: what is teh recommended backup procedure for koha atm
04:54 lastnode ok
04:54 eythian (/etc stuff is handled differently, as it's expected that the user'll modify it)
04:53 lastnode ok
04:53 eythian not sure. I think there is something that that can be done to force it to restore conf-files. I would have thought a purge would allow them to come back though
04:53 lastnode so if i do a foobar like that, illjust restore
04:52 lastnode cloned
04:52 lastnode in my paranoia, i nowhave my 10gig main fs on my vps
04:52 lastnode is tehre something else i should have done?
04:52 eythian that seems surprising to me
04:52 lastnode during the reinstall
04:52 lastnode and i reinsttalled, but /etc/koha never came back
04:52 eythian heh yes, it makes that harder.
04:52 lastnode speaking of which, in thatintsance i did an apt-get purge
04:51 lastnode which i actually did, as root i rm -rf /etc/koha/ instead of /etc/koha/sitename
04:51 lastnode i guess
04:51 lastnode sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff
04:51 lastnode cool
04:51 eythian that's right
04:51 eythian all the koha stuff runs as "koha_*instance*" anyway.
04:51 eythian no, completely no difference
04:50 lastnode as in, there are no non-root commands in thesetup process, right?
04:49 lastnode (afteri have a non-root ssh user setupo)
04:49 lastnode and runnin geveryting as sudo again right
04:49 lastnode there's no difference in going back
04:49 lastnode also, i setup koha as root because i hadntcreated a non-root ssh user yet.
04:49 eythian the packages do fairly good security as it is, user separation and so on
04:49 lastnode ok
04:48 eythian that's standard good practice
04:48 lastnode do we have security recommendations?
04:48 lastnode adn filter out everything except ssh and 80/8080 (I run intranet on 8080)
04:47 lastnode is it recommended i run iptables
04:47 lastnode on a koha production box
04:42 eythian but that turned out to be harder than I thought.
04:42 lastnode right
04:42 eythian as if you did 'koha-create --createdb koha'
04:41 lastnode ok
04:41 eythian so, you install koha and it all works.
04:41 lastnode at the moment, koha-common is preferred. this implies that in teh future it will change
04:41 eythian What I want is for the koha package to be a pre-setup thing
04:41 eythian not really
04:41 lastnode package i mean,the koha package
04:41 lastnode btw koha will eventually replace koha-common?
04:41 eythian I bet it needs a 'like'
04:41 eythian hmm
04:40 eythian I'm not confident just putting in 'localhost' is ideal, especially if you're using a remote server.
04:40 lastnode but im not a great coder
04:40 lastnode haha, ill have a look
04:40 eythian cool. A fix wouldn't go astry, either ;)
04:40 lastnode i ran into it, so ill try and reporduce it on my vm, eythian
04:40 lastnode ok
04:39 eythian A "known or suspected issues" thing would probably be helpful.
04:39 eythian It's fine to link to bugs.
04:38 eythian yeah, that's a weird one. I've not been able to reproduce it.
04:38 lastnode do welink to bugs fromteh wiki?it might be useful. i tore my hair out for a while before googling and realising it was a bug
04:38 huginn 04Bug 6416: normal, P5, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user
04:38 lastnode http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6416
04:38 lastnode running koha remove
04:38 lastnode btw im not sure if it's useful, but i ran into this bug
04:37 eythian cool.
04:37 lastnode and getting the librarian familiarised with koha
04:37 lastnode till then im just focusing on hardening the vps i haev setup and then adding 100 books as a pilot
04:37 lastnode which is what i meant, really. ill need to do some reading before i begin, but ill def get down to it after term starts tomorrow
04:36 lastnode but in terms of reach, koha is huge
04:36 eythian ah yeah. Well, this is just a number of tools, each of which is pretty small itself.
04:36 lastnode but it was a tiny project
04:36 lastnode i wrote some man pages for that project i linked you to iirc
04:35 eythian also, writing man pages is a handy skill if you don't know how already.
04:35 lastnode as we all know, man pages are srs bznz
04:35 lastnode though iev never written anything as srs as man pages before
04:35 eythian that's one of the things that needs to be done for getting in Debian ;)
04:35 lastnode ill def havea look at the man pages when i can, eythian
04:35 lastnode sweet
04:34 rangi but the main thing is sorting out the copyright headers and tidying up the packages a bit more, they are pretty close
04:34 lastnode i look forward to seeing koha in main in wheezy
04:34 lastnode neat :)
04:34 rangi yeah we have a few dd at catalyst, and there are a few others involved in koha
04:34 Technicus Any suggestions for software that could be used in a bike shop? Keeping track of inventory and jobs?
04:33 lastnode do you have a sponsor in mind for debian, rangi? a DD or a DM?
04:33 lastnode right
04:33 Technicus cait: I am right here.
04:32 rangi the main goal is get the packages into debian proper, then they will get it into ubuntu, but for now there are packages for natty at those ppas
04:32 lastnode oh right
04:32 eythian Debian, and Ubuntu by proxy. Eventually yeah, but there's a lot of work to be done first. In particular, cleaning up of copyrights and so forth. But also getting packages for languages etc.
04:32 rangi lastnode: like this https://launchpad.net/~koha
04:31 lastnode ?
04:31 cait ah :)
04:31 lastnode eythian: is having packages for ubuntu a goal of the packagers atm
04:31 eythian lastnode: looks good
04:31 lastnode eythian: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
04:31 eythian cait: $20 on Wisconson
04:30 cait Technicus: where are you from? :)
04:30 eythian ah right
04:30 lastnode or were, anyway
04:30 lastnode but canonical developed a project that replacedit
04:29 lastnode eythian: it was wactually written for peeps in #ubuntu for support
04:29 eythian oh handy
04:29 lastnode sure eythian let me haev a look at that soetime
04:29 lastnode actually eythian http://sourceforge.net/projects/upstream/
04:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P1, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages
04:28 eythian lastnode: well, if you're keen, bug 4877 is where we do that.
04:28 lastnode hi Technicus
04:27 Technicus Hello!
04:27 lastnode http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/upstreamdev/ <-- former project, now dead
04:27 eythian yep, that's it
04:27 lastnode eythian: i can certainly try, ive contributed to foss projects before
04:27 cait hi Technicus
04:27 lastnode sudo a2enmod rewrite <-- syntax is correct?
04:26 eythian hey, if you're an English teacher, you'd be good at writing man pages for the commands ;)
04:26 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.5�C (6:24 AM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
04:26 cait @wunder Konstanz
04:25 eythian sure
04:25 lastnode im going to add it under QUick Start just after the msyql server apt-get
04:24 eythian jup
04:24 eythian but it's against debian policy to actually change it.
04:24 lastnode oh, you're the debian guy eythian?
04:24 lastnode i have heard
04:24 eythian I want to make koha-create detect if rewrite is on, and if not have it abort.
04:24 eythian hence, good at math
04:24 rangi but its great to get more people editing the wiki
04:24 eythian wahanui is a robot :)
04:24 lastnode oh thanks wahanui
04:24 lastnode im an English teacher damnit
04:24 wahanui 84
04:24 lastnode 90 - 6?
04:24 lastnode wow your captcha is throwing me, guys
04:24 rangi yes please, you will need to sign up, and confirm your email (to stop spammers)
04:23 eythian yes
04:23 lastnode shall i add it?
04:23 eythian although it _should_ be in the wiki
04:23 lastnode oh
04:23 eythian it's kinda by design.
04:23 lastnode and it's not in thehowto
04:23 rangi lastnode: its a wiki, anyone can edit it ;)
04:23 eythian oh, yeah
04:23 lastnode because mod rewrite was not enabled
04:23 lastnode but i needed on 3 recent squeeze koha installs, to 'a2enmod rewrite'
04:23 eythian do what?
04:23 lastnode im not sure if the debian scripts are supposed to do this
04:22 lastnode speaking of whic, rangi, can you edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
04:22 rangi the developer conference afterwards is for the more experienced users
04:22 lastnode and not even production, yet
04:22 rangi its mostly for newbs
04:22 lastnode ive been running koha for all of 3 weeks
04:22 lastnode id feel like a bit of newb though
04:21 cait in my experience it's even worth it when it'son the other side of the world :)
04:20 * lastnode is seriously tempted
04:20 lastnode and food, which is uber cheap
04:20 lastnode i can prolly find accomodation too, so it will just be plane ticket
04:20 eythian and meet people, find contacts, that sort of thing.
04:20 eythian You're likely to learn a lot
04:20 lastnode im tempted because it's just a hop, step anda jump for me
04:20 eythian yeah, definitely
04:20 rangi kohacon clashes with a couple of other conferences id already said yes to, so not me
04:20 lastnode couple of years at least, do you think it will be worth my while?
04:19 lastnode i dont think id have much to contribute, eythian, but seeing ill probably be running koha for my school for a while
04:18 cait hi all, hi robin, hi lastnode
04:18 cait nope
04:18 cait hehe
04:16 eythian I'm going
04:16 lastnode i didnt realise it's in India, adn even though I'm very new to the community, it's tempting, seeinghow close it is
04:15 lastnode just wondering if any of you will be kohacon
04:13 eythian cait: it's very early in the morning. Go back to sleep.
04:13 eythian Nope.
04:12 lastnode anyone here?
04:12 lastnode hello friends
03:06 wizzyrea hi there
02:54 rangi heya wizzyrea
02:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6665] advancedMARCeditor preference not functioning <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6665>
02:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6732] Missing Title for Manual Invoice <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6732>
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P1, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6516 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create makes assumptions about borrowernumber of staff user
02:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Updating history and about file
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6121 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , waitingreserves: branchname instead of branch code
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove references to catmaintain.pl
02:02 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 4877 [ENH] - [SIGNED-OFF] more man page improvements
02:02 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 4877 [ENH] - Update man page for koha-create
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6768 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Two unused include files can be removed: error-top.inc and error-bottom.inc
02:02 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 6516 - Make borrowernumber of staff user configurable in koha-create
02:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6121: follow-up = using overloo instead of reserveloo
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4966 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, NEW , no way to finish receiving
02:02 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6121: Holds awaiting pickup
02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5028 - Remove references to catmaintain.pl
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6595 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add German translation for purchase suggestion mails
02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6768, Two unused include files can be removed
02:02 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 4966 - follow up - add xhtml closure for input tags
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6834 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , $template->{param_map} is deprecated with the introduction of Template::Toolkit
02:02 jenkins_koha * nengard: bug4966 - follow up to 4966 changes language from 'end' to 'finish'
02:02 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: bug 4966: Add a button in parcel.pl for confirm end receiving
02:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6595: [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] Fixing German translation and address formatting (HOLD_PRINT)
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6479 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problem in "recievedlist" when the numbering formula contains utf-8 characters
02:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6595:[ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] Add German translation of purchase suggestion mails
02:02 jenkins_koha * henridamien.laurent: bug 6834 followup removing param_map
02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded
02:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6834 : Removing last of the $template->{param_map}
02:02 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6479 Converts all the serialseq variables to UTF-8.
02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 2539 - kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded
02:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #41: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/41/
01:21 jenkins_koha Starting build 41 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:55 lastnode hi #koha
00:23 druthb o/