Time Nick Message 02:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6703] can't see invoice content <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6703> 02:12 Brooke kia ora 02:12 rangi hi Brooke 02:12 Brooke I pehea to ra? 02:13 rangi ahua pai 03:25 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:25 Amit_Gupta good morning ;) 04:03 rangi hi debrob 04:04 rangi heya Amit_Gupta 04:14 Oak hello #koha 04:17 rangi hi Oak 04:17 Oak heya rangi :) 04:40 rangi ohh good to see osslabs setting up some enhancements in bugzilla 04:46 chilts is osslabs using Koha now? 04:50 rangi http://www.osslabs.biz/ <-- these guys 04:52 chilts ah, they're the guys who do some stuff for NZRS 04:53 chilts or maybe not ... anyway, that's good they're running it :) 04:54 eythian chilts: osslabs are in India 04:54 chilts heh, won't be them then :) 04:54 * chilts is thinking of someone else 05:48 cait good morning #koha 05:48 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.1�C (7:44 AM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady). 06:26 marcelr hello koha 06:30 magnuse hiya marcelr 06:30 marcelr hi magnuse 06:31 cait morning magnuse and marcelr :) 06:32 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:33 cait magnuse: rangi said he has perhaps a fix for the language chooser problem :) 06:33 magnuse yay 06:35 marcelr hi cait 06:37 eythian hi magnuse 06:38 magnuse kia ora eythian 06:38 magnuse eythian: i have been trying to update the man page for koha-create, should have it submitted in a day or two, i think 06:39 eythian awesome :) 06:39 eythian I need to learn how to make man pages. 06:39 magnuse me too ;-) 06:39 magnuse i found an appendix about it in a book on shell scripting 06:39 eythian sweet 06:40 eythian Which book? If it's an O'Reilly one I could buy it easily enough. 06:41 magnuse classic shell scripting 06:41 eythian who's the publisher? 06:41 magnuse http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005955 06:41 eythian cool. 06:42 magnuse it's more of a long example, i'd guess there are good guides/descriptions to be had on line too 06:43 magnuse and if we use the koha-create one as a pattern it should be easy to do the others, i thinl 06:43 eythian NZ$6.50 06:43 eythian https://market.android.com/details?id=com.aldiko.android.oreilly.classicshellscripting&feature=search_result 06:44 isen071 Hello everybody, I've just installed koha 3.02.10.000. I have a problem with the dontmerge systempreference... When I change an authority records thre is no effect on the associated biblios records. I read that dontmerge is no longer used and has been replaced by MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate but I can't find this option in my version... Can someone help me ? Thanks. 06:44 eythian isen071: you know that 3.4 is the current stable release series, right? It's possible (I'm not sure) that that's been fixed there. 06:45 magnuse eythian: they sell o'reilly books as a android apps? 06:45 cait 3.2 is no longer maintained 06:45 eythian magnuse: yep, for a really good price, too. 06:45 eythian I think it's US$5 06:45 magnuse yeah, that's cheap! 06:46 eythian and it's downloading to my tablet now :) 06:46 isen071 eythian: thanks you but I need my koha in french and I think the 3.4 version doesn't support french langage yet... 06:46 magnuse yay! 06:47 eythian I really like the android web installer 06:47 * magnuse havn't tried it 06:47 eythian isen071: I'd be very surprised if it doesn't support french, but give it an hour and all the french folks will be online. 06:47 magnuse isen071: there are lots of libraries using koha in french 06:48 eythian magnuse: it's really handy. You just click 'install' on the website, pick which device you want it to install onto, and it immediately starts installing. 06:48 cait bye all 06:48 magnuse eythian: and what sort of tablet do you use? 06:48 isen071 I'll try to install the 3.4 version. Thanks. 06:50 eythian magnuse: I got myself an Asus Transformer. It's nice because it has a detachable keyboard that gives it a huge chunk of extra battery life. 06:50 magnuse yay 06:51 magnuse transformer, eh? does it turn into a car too? ;-) 06:52 eythian and because O'Reilly is good and gives it to you as a DRM-free epub, I can transfer it to my ereader easily if I want to. 06:52 eythian alas, no. That'd be handy, but probably make it too heavy. 06:52 alex_a morning #koha 06:53 eythian alex_a: hello 06:53 eythian isen071: it looks like alex_a is the first Francophone here who may be able to answer your question. 06:53 magnuse eythian: wizzyrea was saying good things about it on G+ too - i wonder if that is a sign? i have a kindle, but i don't find that too good for reading those lovely DRM-free O'reilly books... 06:54 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:54 eythian magnuse: I wouldn't touch a kindle with a long stick. But I have two other ereaders, so it doesn't matter :) 06:55 eythian I tried to use the tablet for reading a book on, and it's not ideal. The shiny, and backlit, screen makes it a bit problematic. But it'll be fine for looking up references. 06:55 alex_a eythian: I have recomended isen071 to come here for ask people last friday :) 06:55 eythian ah I see :) 06:55 alex_a :) 06:55 magnuse i have only bought two e-books from amazon... i wanted it because it was supposed to be a real good e-ink reader, and i wanted to see what that was like 06:56 magnuse yeah, i'm sceptical about the shiny screen... hm, where's that prefect device, i wonder? 06:56 eythian yeah, I bought a cheap one that a local bookseller was selling, aside from being a bit slow, it's a nice little machine. And I have one that's dual screen, with the other screen being an android tablet (but much less good tablet-wise than my new one) 06:57 eythian but the eink side of it is great for reading on. 06:57 magnuse ah, interesting combo! 06:57 eythian http://www.entourageedge.nl/entourage-pocket-edge/ <-- it's this, but the US company has gone out of business recently. 06:58 eythian annoyingly without releasing their SDK or source code. 06:59 magnuse :-( 06:59 magnuse nice gizmo, though ;-) 07:00 magnuse kia ora hdl 07:00 reiveune hello 07:01 eythian magnuse: it is quite nice. It's small and handy. 07:01 eythian But I'll probably switch back to my Kobo now I have a real tablet, anyway. 07:01 eythian Mostly so I don't end up carrying 3 android devices around all the time, because that seems like taking it a bit too far ;) 07:02 eythian (also, the kobo is very light) 07:03 magnuse eythian: yeah, 3 sounds like 1 or 2 too many... 07:03 eythian well, I need my phone...:) 07:03 eythian ...and my tablet 07:03 eythian ...I just don't need two tablets 07:03 magnuse ok, 1 too many, then ;-) 07:28 francharb morning koha 07:43 rangi evening 07:45 magnuse morning rangi 08:00 kf good morning #koha 08:00 rangi hi kf 08:05 kf evening rangi :) 08:05 eythian hi 08:05 kf and hi eythian :) 08:05 kf how was monday? 08:05 eythian it's still going ;) 08:06 rangi not too bad, got quite a lot done 08:06 kf hope it will be the same here :) 08:06 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:06 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 23.2�C (10:04 AM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling). 08:06 kf hm, feels a lot warmer already 08:07 eythian I'm almost done getting some code to the point where I'm OK having my name on it :) 08:07 kf :) 08:07 kf what does it do? 08:08 eythian allows users to add star ratings to biblios 08:09 kf ah 08:09 kf thought mtj was working on something like that? 08:10 eythian yep, I've taken that, upgraded it to work in 3.4, and am giving it a whole load of spit-and-polish. 08:11 kf :) 08:12 * magnuse is not sure he wants his koha code with spit on it... ;-) 08:12 magnuse anyway: yay! 08:12 eythian heh :) 08:16 kf hehe 08:22 * magnuse is looking forward to the day when all clients are hosted with the packages 08:23 eythian yeah, it makes things much easier. 08:23 rangi package everything i say :) 08:23 eythian why do you want everything you say packaged? 08:23 rangi to make it easier to remember what i said 08:23 magnuse lol! 08:24 magnuse and then just give it numbers... 08:24 magnuse @quote get 123 08:24 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 08:24 rangi heh 08:24 magnuse clever scheme! 08:25 magnuse i guess the #koha logs are a start... 08:27 Brooke ata marie 08:27 rangi hi Brooke 08:27 magnuse kia ora Brooke 08:27 Brooke :) 08:31 eythian OK, now all that's left is to clean up the database schema. That can wait for tomorrow though. 08:31 Brooke those tricksy database schemata, always gettin' emselves in trouble 08:32 eythian ah, it's just got some unnecessary bits the way it is, and the key setup isn't optimal for what it's mostly doing. So I need to sort that out. 08:32 * eythian leaves work now 08:33 Brooke cheers mate! 08:38 magnuse leaving work at 8.40 pm? tch! 08:39 Brooke inorite? 08:39 Brooke I feel like it should be on the list of "You might be involved with Koha if..." 08:39 magnuse ;-) 08:40 Brooke bonjour 08:40 wahanui niihau, Brooke 08:52 Oak hello #koha 08:52 Oak Brooke !!! 08:52 Brooke hey hey :) 08:53 Oak how are ya? 08:53 Brooke good enough for gummint woik 08:53 Brooke you? 08:53 wahanui rumour has it you is ketchup Oak's friend, you 08:53 Oak good good 08:53 Oak i'm okay 08:53 Brooke wahanui, you are so much dumber than Zoia, it's not even funny. 08:53 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information... 08:54 rangi zoia is a supybot the same as huginn 08:54 Oak hola senorita kf 09:22 kf hola senor Oak 09:24 Oak :) 09:28 Brooke pffft, All Blacks losin' on penalties. The nerve. 09:29 kf hi Brooke :) 09:29 Brooke aloha 10:47 kf sekjal++ 10:49 Oak what did he do? :) 10:56 magnuse give a good answer on the mailinglist? 10:58 kf yep 11:17 magnuse wanders off in search of nourishment 11:38 oakivil hello #koha 11:52 magnuse hiya oakivil 11:53 kf hi oakivil 11:53 oakivil importing patron data from our current system 11:53 lastnode hi 11:53 lastnode im just wondering if there isa guide for setting up koha ons hared hosting? 11:53 lastnode i really want to demo it for someone but i dont have access to a vps 11:53 oakivil but now thinking about importing items 11:53 kf oakivil: into koha? yay! 11:53 oakivil i just imported biblios 11:53 oakivil well 2 weeks ago 11:54 oakivil now importing patrons using patron_import perl script 11:54 oakivil but it seems that items need to be injected directly into the database in koha 3.4+ ? 11:54 kf si this the one used for the gui too? 11:55 kf for 3.2 the best way was importing them with the bibliographic records I think 11:55 oakivil http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 11:55 kf in 952 fields formatted the way koha wants it 11:55 oakivil says inject into items-table 11:55 kf for 3.4 you can still do that 11:55 kf but I wonder if you can now inject directly into the items table too 11:55 oakivil ok 11:55 oakivil i think i go with the bulkmarcimport.pl 11:56 kf I have not tried it yet but I think it should work 11:56 kf you have to be careful with you biblionumbers 11:56 oakivil because i already have a program that works well with text files 11:56 oakivil yeah 11:56 kf ah ok 11:56 kf if you import items using 952 make sure you have the important fields correctly 11:56 kf $a AND $b should have the branchcode of your library 11:57 oakivil ok 11:57 kf call number and barcode ($o and $p) are also good 11:57 oakivil the wiki has pretty good instructions 11:57 kf cool :) 11:57 oakivil i think i can do it with those 11:58 kf yes, the page looks pretty good 11:58 oakivil what is "Koha full call number" as in items.itemcallnumber-column 11:58 kf was not aware we had it :) 11:58 oakivil ? 11:58 kf the normal call number 11:58 kf of the item 11:59 oakivil and what is that? 11:59 wahanui that is the problem 11:59 kf the label on the book that indicates where the item can be found on shelf :) 11:59 oakivil shelving number? 11:59 kf the german word is signatur... not sure that helps here 11:59 kf if you are using numbers (numerus currens?) in your library, you can use that 11:59 magnuse hyllesignatur in norwegian 12:00 oakivil ok 12:00 kf it's what the patron uses to locate the book in the library 12:00 oakivil ok 12:00 oakivil got it 12:00 magnuse oakivil: are you importing data for a migration or just for testing? 12:00 oakivil testing 12:01 oakivil and to prove that it can be done 12:01 magnuse yay! :-) 12:01 oakivil bosses are skeptical about the whole migration issue 12:01 oakivil so I try to prove them wrong 12:01 magnuse way to go! 12:01 magnuse thousands of libraries have been able to do it before 12:02 oakivil yeah 12:02 oakivil but it's hard 12:02 magnuse so why shouldn't you? :-) 12:02 oakivil finding the relevant information and connecting the right bits in the right places 12:04 kf I think it's hard with every system 12:04 kf migrations I mean - never fun, but doable :) 12:05 oakivil if somebody would just tel me what to do it would be so easy :D 12:05 oakivil if i knew the right questions 12:05 oakivil but im getting there 12:05 kf what is your current system? 12:06 oakivil Koha is on Ubuntu 11.04 12:06 kf there is a collection of perl scripts for migration purposes in druthb' repository 12:06 oakivil Koha 3.4 12:06 kf ah, the current ILS your library uses 12:06 oakivil ah current system is PallasPro 12:06 oakivil it is a tailor made Finnish program 12:06 oakivil and no finn has tread where I tread now 12:07 kf http://gitorious.org/koha-toolbox 12:07 oakivil or maybe a couple has 12:08 magnuse a few finnish people have looked at koha, but i have not heard of any migrations 12:09 magnuse oakivil: you can always ask about anything on irc and the mail lists - a together i think most problems have been solved by at least one of us some time or other... ;-) 12:20 oleonard Hey #koha. 12:21 nengard morning oleonard 12:22 nengard @later tell chris_n sorry i missed your message from 2 days ago, was on the road all week, but it looks like someone else got that patch signed off on 12:22 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 12:23 oleonard Someone else wanted that gold. 12:23 lastnode does anyone know the liblime pricing? 12:23 lastnode just a ballpark? 12:24 lastnode (forkoha hosting) 12:24 oleonard We don't do Liblime here. 12:24 oleonard Liblime is not Koha. 12:24 lastnode i understand that 12:24 lastnode im not requesting support 12:24 lastnode im just weighing the pros and cons of self hosting vs hosted 12:24 lastnode if it's a problem, i wont discuss liblime, my bad 12:26 kf lastnode: liblime doesn't host koha too - so it's not so interesitng 12:26 kf most support providers do hosting 12:26 lastnode i meant support, kf 12:26 lastnode (as well) 12:27 lastnode im looking into vps options and want to weigh hosting vs hosting + support 12:27 kf hm, perhaps writing mails and asking directly is the best way to go then 12:27 kf you are in california, right? 12:28 lastnode no, colombo, sri lanka 12:28 lastnode im looking to roll out koha for a small pilot school here 12:28 lastnode witha library of 3k books or so 12:28 lastnode I'm nervous because that is a lot of data to be responsible for 12:28 kf oh! 12:28 kf sorry 12:28 lastnode adn im a hobbyist hacker (English teacher by trade) 12:29 kf confused you with someone else 12:29 lastnode np 12:29 kf have you seen the support providers list on koha-community.org? 12:30 lastnode no, let me have a look 12:30 lastnode found it, thanks 12:30 lastnode gotta head home, will be back later 12:30 lastnode thanks! 12:31 * Oak waves again 12:31 Oak magnuse 12:32 Oak Bonjour Mademoiselle kf 12:41 kf Bonjour Oak 12:41 Oak :] 12:42 magnuse Oak 12:50 Oak funny http://xkcd.com/771/ 12:52 Oak @later tell Brooke http://xkcd.com/174/ 12:52 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 12:53 Oak uh oh not that one 12:54 Oak @later tell Brooke http://xkcd.com/771/ 12:54 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 13:08 oleonard Hi libsysguy 13:08 libsysguy hi oleonard 13:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6753] Markup corrections and improvements for label export window <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6753> 13:12 oleonard Bam! 13:12 kf bam? :) 13:14 oleonard Yeah I was just, you know... uh, saying 'bam.' 13:15 libsysguy SWOOSH! 13:15 kf lol 13:15 kf why do I suddenly think batman? 13:15 * magnuse too! 13:15 kf :) 13:16 oleonard If we're talking about Batman then I clocked that bug in the face but good. Pow! 13:16 kf rofl 13:17 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:17 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.8�C (3:14 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 13:17 kf hmpf 13:18 oleonard Still got some summer left eh kf? 13:18 magnuse wow 13:18 magnuse @wunder boo 13:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (2:50 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 13:18 kf it just came back 13:18 kf had lots of rain this year 13:18 kf but this is too warm for me already 13:36 Oak @wunder islamabad 13:36 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0�C (6:00 PM PKT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 13:39 sekjal can anyone else confirm that, despite removing the 952s from the MARC records, biblios with many, many items are still giving problems to Zebra when searching? 13:49 kf sekjal: perhaps ask liz? 13:49 wizzyrea how many 13:49 kf our libraries are too small - have not run into any problems yet 13:49 wizzyrea define "many" :) 13:49 sekjal wizzyrea: usually around 700 items I find things start to choke 13:50 oleonard Whoa, 700 items? 13:50 wizzyrea i'm not sure we have any with that many items 13:50 * oleonard is a small fry 13:50 nengard i think the 700 happens with serials 13:50 nengard in academics where they keep them forever 13:50 nengard and circualte them 13:51 sekjal it's usually bound serials issues on the Most Important periodicals 13:54 kf sekjal: have yo seen the bug on bugzilla? 13:54 kf it suggests using -x for indexing I think 13:54 sekjal kf: yes, though I forget the number at the moment 13:54 sekjal and -x doesn't solve the problem, I'm finding 13:54 kf searching for ti... but hard 13:55 sekjal the record gets exported to Zebra, and as much of it as will fit in the 9999 bytes gets indexed, according to my direct searches in yaz-client 13:55 sekjal so it'll show up in search results 13:56 sekjal but the link to the details page is broken, because it always dies before getting to the 999 13:56 sekjal sorry, MARC subfield 999$c, to be more specific 13:56 sekjal the 952s are added in using insert_fields_ordered 13:56 kf bug 5579 13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 13:57 magnuse #marcmustdie 13:57 kf bug 2453 13:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2453 critical, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, (very) large biblio/item handling 13:57 sekjal I think if we changed that to append_fields, we'd make sure the biblionumber gets in there, and the only remaining issue would be that all the items are not properly summarized on the search results page 13:58 sekjal reading that last comment, it's me saying that this is solved... ::chuckle:: 13:58 kf hehe 13:58 kf murph 13:58 kf y 14:15 kf oleonard++ :) 14:15 oakivil So has anybody tried Fibram Fivefingers already? 14:15 oakivil sorry, Vibram Fivefingers 14:16 * oleonard knows people who love them, hasn't tried them himself. 14:16 oakivil I remeber hearing some stuff about a koha-con 14:17 oakivil will it be held? 14:17 magnuse oakivil: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon11 14:17 oleonard http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 14:17 oakivil thanks 14:17 magnuse planning is still going on, but there are lots of people signed up so it will happen! 14:18 oakivil damn it's so expensive to fly there 14:18 magnuse we have not yet decided where kohacon12 will be: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12 14:20 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:24 oleonard Hi jcamins 14:25 isen514 Hello everybody, I need help to get my koha works. Everything seems to be OK but when I try to book an item, I get the message : "No book available..."... Do you have an idea ? 14:25 oakivil Are you using Zebra indexer? 14:25 jcamins isen514: you need to have circulation rules and holds configured. 14:25 isen514 yes 14:25 jcamins oleonard: hello. 14:26 hdl try setting up your circulation and holds configuration files. 14:27 isen514 I've tried to configure my circulation rules : authorised everyone (for testing)... 14:29 nengard bug 6764 - i didn't even know there was a shelving location search option ... 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6764 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , shelving location code search wrong 14:31 oleonard there is? Bug 4329 is 'Failed QA' 14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4329 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , OPAC search by shelving location option 14:31 oleonard Oh, it's one of the choices under Keyword, etc. 14:32 oleonard That's less usable than providing a list of existing values to choose from. 14:32 kf hi jcamins 14:34 kf oleonard: checkboxes or a list twhere you can select multiple values would be cool too :) 14:35 oleonard Bug 5980 14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5980 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , OPAC : Adding location to search indexes in search pages 14:36 sekjal kf/oleonard: I'm working on a reimplemented fix for 4329 that will let you have multiple search params (item type, collection code AND/OR location) 14:36 sekjal brb 14:36 kf sekjal: nice! 14:39 jcamins Hi, kf. :) 14:39 nengard oleonard, yeah i knew about the one that failed qa - but didn't know about this one - which should have failed qa since it doesn't work and requires you enter a location code which patrons don't know 14:39 wizzyrea jcamins: I made the ricotta gnocchi 14:39 jcamins wizzyrea: how was it? kf said she was a little disappointed. 14:39 wizzyrea well I put mine with a tomato sauce 14:40 wizzyrea by themselves they're just gnocchi 14:40 wizzyrea surprisingly unsurprising 14:42 wizzyrea but, I would definitely make them again, because plopping ricotta in a bowl is a lot easier than mashing potatoes 14:42 jcamins :) 14:42 druthb hi, wizzyrea! :D 14:42 wizzyrea (and if you put them with a tasty sauce, they're quite delish) 14:43 wizzyrea hi thar 14:43 wizzyrea (and I can't help but think they might be less of a gut bomb than potato gnocchi, as ricotta is almost pure protein) 14:43 * oleonard loves gnocchi and should try making them again 14:44 wizzyrea you should :) 14:44 * nengard loves gnocchi but never made any 14:44 wizzyrea jcamins' sweet potato gnocchi were super yummy too, but a lot more work 14:45 wizzyrea nengard/oleonard you want the ricotta gnocchi recipe? 14:45 * oleonard also loves dumplings, so I guess I'm a fan of gut bombs 14:45 oleonard wizzyrea: Yes 14:45 wizzyrea http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/08/easy-ricotta-gnocchi-258-recipe-065.html 14:46 wizzyrea i might make more and freeze them 14:46 jcamins Mmm, I'll have to try them. 14:46 jcamins The sweet potato gnocchi aren't really that hard, either, just time consuming (for the lactose intolerant). 14:47 wizzyrea ^^ 14:47 wizzyrea http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Sweet-Potato-Gnocchi-with-Brown-Butter-and-Sage-233379 14:47 wizzyrea lol, never mind, that one has ricotta in it too. 14:47 wizzyrea here we go, this is the right one 14:47 wizzyrea http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/sweet-potato-gnocchi/detail.aspx 14:48 oleonard How do you serve them? 14:49 jcamins oleonard: with a sage butter sauce. 14:49 wizzyrea I did it with a caper/wine sauce 14:50 * oleonard checks his watch for proximity to lunchtime 14:50 jcamins That would probably be good too, but the sage butter sauce is so amazing that we never feel the desire to try something else. 14:51 jcamins http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/gnocchi-with-sage-butter-sauce/detail.aspx 14:51 jcamins Only replace the packaged gnocchi with super-delicious home-made sweet potato gnocchi. :) 14:51 wizzyrea or ricotta gnocchi, if you're pressed for time :) 14:52 nengard wizzyrea, sure send it along 14:52 nengard oh there it is :) 14:52 wizzyrea seriously though I was impressed at how fast the ricotta gnocchi came together. 14:52 wizzyrea I could easliy make that after work for a 6:30 dinnertime 14:52 * oleonard whines "But I'm hungry noooowww!" 14:53 * wizzyrea sends oleonard to his room 14:53 wizzyrea (after procuring him a graham cracker) 14:54 oleonard Mmmmm... graham cracker. Are graham cracker's unique to USA? 14:55 wizzyrea hmm. good question 14:55 wizzyrea certainly there are other types of "digestive biscuits" in other countries 14:56 kf digestive biscuits? 14:56 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_biscuit 14:56 sekjal zebrasrv has an implicit max file size of 1024 KB 14:56 sekjal unless it's started with the -k switch to indicate some other value 14:57 oleonard Only instead of helping digestion, they help curb lust. 14:58 jcamins Biscuitgate? 14:59 jcamins Really? 15:00 oleonard http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/394/is-it-true-graham-crackers-were-invented-to-cure-the-dread-fever-of-lust 15:00 wizzyrea lol yea 15:01 jcamins oleonard: I was responding to the fact that there was a controversy over what kind of biscuit Gordon Brown preferred. 15:03 oleonard Would that our political scandals were as lame. 15:04 jcamins True. 15:07 slef I think we know of graham crackers are mainly because of US TV. Not sure if they're widely available here. 15:07 oleonard You can make a good peanut butter and Nutella sandwich with a graham cracker. 15:09 slef Do you monitor your load averages and if so, at what values do your alarms trigger? 15:09 libsysguy If I wanted to send out a notice everyday for a certain item type...could I do that? 15:10 reiveune1 bye 15:11 nengard libsysguy anything is possible 15:11 nengard :) 15:11 slef libsysguy: probably but you'll probably need to talk to the API :) 15:11 libsysguy right...but email notices seem to be quite a mess 15:12 libsysguy with the hardcoded values for delays in the db 15:12 nengard hehe 15:12 libsysguy instead of more of a frequency 15:12 * libsysguy might cry 15:12 slef that's not how they're a mess. You might not want to look too much more closely if that's already brought you to tears :) 15:13 slef doesn't frequency = 1/delay anyway? 15:14 libsysguy something like that 15:14 wahanui something like that is sticking in nengard's mind 15:14 libsysguy is there a ticket to rework notices? 15:14 oleonard Are you volunteering libsysguy? :P 15:15 libsysguy maybe 15:15 slef @query notices enhancement 15:15 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1785 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Notices are changable globally not per branch + overdue rules 15:15 libsysguy is the current exchange of currency Karma 15:15 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs 15:15 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5539 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Options for Suggestion Emails 15:15 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4398 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Example notice for 'claims notice' in Serials 15:15 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3490 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Billing Notice/Debt Collect 15:16 oleonard May that trick be used only for good. 15:16 libsysguy ^^ 15:18 nengard That is so cool :) 15:18 nengard scared to try it though 15:19 slef huginn refuses to return more than 5 matches so we need to clean up bz to make it more useful 15:19 huginn slef: I suck 15:19 slef huginn: yes, you do 15:19 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 15:20 slef @query --total notices enhancement 15:20 huginn slef: 7 results for "notices enhancement." 15:20 slef @query --total notices 15:20 huginn slef: 75 results for "notices." 15:20 oleonard Judging by huginn's self-esteem he will be the template for Marvin's AI. 15:21 slef bbl 15:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4419] Cannot change module for notice templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4419> 15:21 oleonard Bam! 15:32 kf libsysguy: which hardcoded delay values? 15:33 kf libsysguy: tools > notice triggers and starting overdue_notices with -t 15:34 kf hm 15:34 kf is he already goneß 15:34 kf ? 15:34 kf time to go here too... still too warm to think 15:34 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:34 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.1�C (5:33 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). 15:35 nengard @wunder 19030 15:35 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 23.0�C (11:30 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady). 15:35 druthb @wunder greenfield, in 15:35 nengard wow - no rain 15:35 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenfield, Indiana is 24.1�C (11:35 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising). 15:35 nengard first time in nearly 2 weeks 15:35 jcamins @wunder 11375 15:35 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 24.7�C (11:31 AM EDT on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 15:36 sekjal okay, I'm making some progress against the too-many-items issue 15:36 sekjal adding the 952s at the end helps, but isn't sufficient 15:37 sekjal the problem shifts to fix_biblio_id 15:37 sekjal a subroutine decorated with lots of FIXME's 15:38 libsysguy oh those are most excellent 15:38 libsysguy I found quite a few of those in Auth_with_ldap.pm 15:38 sekjal yeah, that module needs an overhaul 15:39 libsysguy Yeah I put in some work on it...but it was more tailored to our campus so I didn't want to commit it 15:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2534] Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2534> 15:55 hdl sekjal: ... looks like we did the same on circulation. 15:55 hdl quite recently 15:55 hdl using datatables.net 15:57 hdl erm no. 16:00 hdl sekjal: about fix_biblio_ids, it is a problem we also had. We are using insert_fields_ordered rather than append_field 16:01 hdl But insert_field_before for marc21 should be more adapted. 16:01 sekjal hdl: I've mapped out the code, starting in the get_corrected_marc_record subroutine in rebuild_zebra.pl 16:01 wizzyrea hi melia 16:01 sekjal it's not a pretty sequence 16:01 hdl and we also had to limit the number of items inserted at indexing time ? 16:02 hdl and we also had to limit the number of items inserted at indexing time. 16:02 hdl where is the code ? 16:02 wahanui the code is kept at git.koha-community.org 16:02 hdl where is sekjal's code ? 16:02 sekjal hdl: rebuild_zebra.pl, around lines 429 to 490 16:03 sekjal then in C4/Biblio.pm, 1057 to 1080 16:04 hdl Is it on a git repository ? 16:05 sekjal hdl: I haven't written any patches against this yet; I'm just reading what's currently in Koha 16:05 sekjal trying to figure out what it's currently doing 16:05 sekjal so I can best optimize the changes 16:07 sekjal so, get_corrected_marc_record calls get_raw_marc_record, which calls GetMarcBiblio (without the embed param and only if you're using -x) 16:07 sekjal once it gets the record, it get_raw_marc_record does the EmbedItems...() subroutine 16:08 sekjal then returns the record to get_corrected_marc_record, which tries to fix_biblio_id 16:09 sekjal the updated 999 field is added in order, after all the 952s, which means it gets lost if the 952s put the record over filesize limit 16:09 sekjal what needs to happen is the fix_biblio_ids check needs to be done in GetMarcBiblio, before the Embed command 16:09 sekjal then Embed needs to be modified to append, rather than insert_ordered 16:10 sekjal we could also eliminate get_raw_marc_records call to Embed by passing the embed param to GetMarcBiblio 16:10 sekjal simplify things a little 16:11 sekjal now, the 999 field should ALWAYS be in the marcxml , right? but in case it's not, shouldn't any call to GetMarcBiblio check and insert it if it's missing? 16:12 hdl as far as i know, what you say was my first version of code. 16:12 hdl if gmcharlt did otherwise, he surely had good reasons. 16:14 hdl mmm what you say makes sense. 16:15 Oak ♥ #kohart 16:15 Oak tch tch 16:16 Oak ruined it 16:16 Oak will try again 16:16 Oak ♥ #koha 16:16 Oak Guten Abend cait 16:16 sekjal EmbedItemsInMarcBiblio is only called (outside of C4::Biblio) in three places: tools/export.pl, rebuild_zebra.pl, and catalouging/additem.pl 16:16 cait hi Oak 16:17 sekjal I think the first two of those could easily be eliminated in favour of passing the 'embed' param to GetMarcBiblio 16:20 sekjal brb; going to make some lunch 16:30 jcamins wizzyrea: around? 16:31 wizzyrea sup 16:31 jcamins What caching plugin do you use with WordPress? 16:31 wizzyrea wp Super Cache 16:32 jcamins Thanks. 16:32 wizzyrea np :) 16:34 hdl god evening 16:35 cait hi hdl 16:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2891] Cannot manually enter dates in some report forms <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2891> 17:22 chris_n any recommendations on a HTML to text parser? 17:22 cait hm? 17:23 * chris_n tempts cait with a double fudge brownie 17:23 cait oh 17:23 cait how mean 17:24 cait why? 17:24 * cait likes brownies 17:24 chris_n well, in exchange for information on an html to text parser, of course ;-) 17:24 cait oh 17:24 cait so no brownie for me 17:25 cait I wondered what it would do 17:25 chris_n you may have one anyway 17:25 chris_n for being so helpful in general 17:25 cait oh, that's nice :) 17:25 * chris_n sets the whole dish out for #koha 17:34 jcamins chris_n: there must be a dehtml script. 17:35 jcamins chris_n: http://www.moria.de/~michael/dehtml/ 17:47 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.9�C (7:43 PM CEST on August 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 19:31 oleonard I'm gone two hours and all I miss is brownies? Slow Monday. 19:32 cait :) 19:33 cait true 19:41 rangi morning 19:41 oleonard Hi rangi 19:41 oleonard Now that rangi is here we can be done with this slow Monday and start on Tuesday. 19:42 rangi Hehe 19:42 rangi http://coderwall.com/ranginui 19:43 wizzyrea lol wow 19:44 rangi silly but fun 19:45 cait morning rangi 19:46 rangi hi cait 19:51 oleonard rangi: You left something out: http://screencast.com/t/wYdrQulXj 19:51 cait rofl 19:51 cait rangi? 19:51 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 19:52 rangi Hehe 19:52 wizzyrea ok that made me laugh 19:53 * wizzyrea nominates oleonard as designer of the Koha badges. 19:53 wizzyrea we could have the first gamified OPAC 19:54 rangi henry bankshead had that idea 19:54 rangi karma for patrons 19:54 wahanui patrons has neutral karma 19:55 rangi we should do it, it would rule! 19:55 cait hehe 19:55 cait koha badges sounds nice too 19:56 rangi yep u get badges to reflect how u earnt karma 19:56 rangi 100 issues without an overdue 19:56 rangi etc 19:56 wizzyrea x number of "classic" authors read 19:56 wizzyrea library achievements 19:56 rangi would be all kinda fun 19:57 wizzyrea oh oh, read x british authors, get the "god save the queen" badge 19:57 rangi Hehe 19:57 rangi yep 19:58 wizzyrea the data you need to quantify that kind of thing should be in marc, right? 19:58 rangi read rand, get mini world destroyer badge 19:58 wizzyrea ^^ LOL 19:58 rangi yup 19:58 cait hehe 19:58 cait endless possibilities 19:59 rangi would be very cool for publics and schools 19:59 rangi ok my stop bbiab 19:59 wizzyrea oh yea, that would be awesome 19:59 oleonard I could check out the complete works of Dickens and return them the next day unread. 20:00 oleonard ...not that my director would mind the stats on that kind of gaming. 20:00 wizzyrea just like you can game foursquare :P 20:00 rangi ud been in the lib twice 20:00 rangi for that 20:00 cait hm 20:00 rangi its all good 20:00 rangi brb 20:00 wizzyrea yea, I mean, you get people coming in just to get library badges 20:01 wizzyrea that's... that's epic marketing. 20:01 wizzyrea i mean really. 20:01 wizzyrea this must happen. 20:01 slef wizzyrea: errr, having British republicans count towards a "god save the queen" badge may be a bit odd. How about "keep calm and carry on"? 20:02 wizzyrea I like that too! 20:02 slef (ok, it has a crown on it, but it's still cool ;-) ) 20:02 wizzyrea hehe 20:02 wizzyrea yours is better actually 20:02 slef God save the Queen... because no-one else will! 20:03 * slef wanders off to sharpen the pike ^W^W^W cook dinner 20:03 cait ^W^W? 20:03 wizzyrea haha 20:03 wizzyrea http://maniacdev.com/2011/05/open-source-game-center-achievement-notification-popup-generator/ 20:04 slef cait: delete-word 20:04 * cait was thinking about a callnumber blinking and the first to get the book gets a badge... 20:04 wizzyrea hee 20:04 slef cait: try it in a bash prompt some time. 20:04 wizzyrea "book of the day" 20:04 cait slef: is something going to explode? 20:04 wizzyrea or "section of the day" 20:05 cait wizzyrea: but could perhaps lead to not so pretty results... 20:05 slef cait: not as long as you have a word on the command line to feed it 20:05 slef cait: and that's control-W not a ^ and a W 20:05 wizzyrea well, that's why I thought maybe "section" instead of "specific item" 20:05 cait trying 20:05 cait but perhaps I am too tired 20:05 slef do German keyboards still label ctrl as strg or something? 20:05 cait yep 20:06 slef cool 20:06 cait strg = steuerung I think 20:06 cait or whatever 20:06 cait my word vanishes? 20:06 cait oh 20:06 slef right... I'm going to steuerung some dinner. 20:06 cait it deleted the last word from the line? 20:07 slef yes 20:07 slef you can bring it back with ^Y 20:07 slef (paste/yank) 20:07 slef don't confuse delete-word (^W) with control-alt-delete-W which is delete-world 20:08 rangi back 20:08 * cait make snotes ;) 20:08 cait wb rangi 20:10 cait I am tepted to try it 20:10 cait hi magnuse 20:10 magnuse kia ora cait & #koha 20:11 wizzyrea ok... so now i'm curious about achievement systems, check this out: http://www.reedolsen.com/how-to-develop-achievements-for-iphone-games/ (ignore the fact that it's for iphone games, the theory remains) 20:11 wizzyrea think about how much we already track 20:12 * magnuse is looking forward to reading http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920014614 20:12 wizzyrea OOo! 20:12 wizzyrea good one 20:12 wizzyrea (seriously, no other ILS does this, right?) 20:12 magnuse not that i have heard of! 20:13 rangi nope itd be a first i think 20:13 magnuse and how hard can it be? ;-) 20:13 wizzyrea HA 20:13 wizzyrea it's just a database, right? 20:13 magnuse with crazy rules... 20:14 * wizzyrea cackles evilly 20:14 magnuse and... 20:14 cait hehe 20:14 magnuse @quote get 123 20:14 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:14 cait enh bug? :) 20:14 oleonard That usually works. 20:14 wizzyrea RFC, lol. 20:15 magnuse in norway we say that good preparations is half the work, so... 20:15 magnuse well, a wiki page for doodling won't hurt 20:15 rangi id do enh bug, and a proof of concept and let the rfc grow from there 20:15 rangi overspeccing is the death of innovation :) 20:15 wizzyrea yes to all of that 20:15 cait :) 20:18 * magnuse wasn't thinking of a spec, more a place to share ideas... 20:18 wizzyrea I've started one 20:18 magnuse yay! 20:23 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS 20:23 wizzyrea it's messy 20:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2539] kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2539> 20:25 bencahill is there anything complicated in transferring a koha install? I just tried, but I'm missing something... 20:26 bencahill db dump/import, copied /etc/koha, configured apache, and setup zebrasrv's daemon 20:26 bencahill started everything, and staring at a dir listing... 20:27 * magnuse puts a big bowl of freshly made wild-raspberry-ice-cream in the middle of #koha and wanders off to eat the rest of it... 20:28 cait oooh 20:29 wizzyrea ! 20:29 bencahill nvm, koha-httpd.conf was marked as executable, and apache probably didn't like that...all good now! :-D 20:29 wizzyrea yay! 20:29 bencahill my fault for transferring data using a samba share 20:30 bencahill but nonetheless, quite an easy transition! 20:35 bencahill am I supposed to have a /var/lock/koha dir? 20:37 bencahill I remember setting ownership to koha:koha on /var/lock/koha/zebradb/ , but I don't have such a dir here? 20:37 wizzyrea magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS 20:38 sekjal nice! 20:39 sekjal I should pass that to hankbank; he was talking about a Karma system earlier, and that could dovetail right in 20:41 cait bencahill: did you transfer a dev install? 20:42 cait hm etc/koha looks like a standard install, so you might be missing files form other directories I think 20:43 bencahill cait: no 20:43 bencahill cait: yeah, I didn't copy the /var/lib/koha or /var/lock/koha dirs... 20:51 rangi release day today eh? 21:38 rangi coffee time, bbiab 21:51 cait mmh coffee 21:51 rangi back 21:57 cait hmm 21:57 cait What's the problem here? 21:58 cait <option value="[% frameworkcodeloo.value %]" [% frameworkcodeloo.selected %]> 21:58 cait [% frameworkcodeloo.frameworktext %] 21:58 cait </option> 21:59 cait class="hilighted"? 22:00 rangi ? 22:01 cait the script tells me I have to fix something in the option thing 22:02 cait but I don't see a directive there 22:02 cait and the other is only something I wondered, the class is named highlighted in other places 22:05 cait ok, will ignore it for now 22:06 libsysguy so I wrote a script to parse a CSV of subscriptions and insert them into the db but when i click the titles I don't get an option to edit them individually 22:06 libsysguy did I forget to insert something somewhere? 22:09 cait what do youmean you don't get an option to edit? 22:10 libsysguy if I click a title typically there is an option to edit the subscription right next to the button to add a new subscription 22:10 libsysguy but there is also no information in the subscription when you click into it 22:10 cait hm 22:10 cait have you tried adding a subscription manually and compare? 22:10 libsysguy so maybe i need to poke some data somewhere else in the DB 22:11 libsysguy yes. I got all the fields correct in the subscription table 22:11 cait which tables have you filled with data? 22:11 libsysguy but i didn't insert into the subscriptionhistory table 22:11 libsysguy just subscription 22:12 cait hm 22:12 cait perhaps you also need serials and serialitems 22:12 cait a first predicted volume maybe? 22:12 libsysguy perhaps 22:12 libsysguy i bet that is it 22:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0�C (12:00 AM CEST on August 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 22:23 rangi @wunder wellington nz 22:23 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 23, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa (Rising). 22:24 cait too warm :( 22:48 eythian https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=55439 <-- friends don't let friends do PHP 22:48 rangi heh 22:58 chilts that's a good'un 22:59 mtj sheesh, no build-bot for the php releases... :/ 23:00 mtj and.. cheers chris! :) 23:04 eythian https://github.com/codedance/Retaliation <-- related 23:06 chilts lol 23:16 eythian mtj: almost done with making the stars rating stuff work on 3.4 and generally touching it up. 23:16 cait morning eythian 23:16 eythian hi cait 23:16 mtj me? or you? 23:16 eythian mtj: me :) 23:17 mtj eep, me too! 23:17 eythian haha 23:17 eythian that's why I said I was doing it on bug 5668 :) 23:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Star ratings in the opac 23:17 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=head-dev/.git;a=commit;h=f8d41ba66a6f6e196637a79da29320244ed0a7a6 23:18 cait you should work on your communication 23:18 cait ;) 23:18 mtj yeah, good call - i was too busy to update the bug :/ 23:19 mtj yeah, it happens some times... 23:19 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bug5668-star-ratings <-- mine's here 23:22 mtj looks nice 23:23 mtj i ended up doing some 'display enhancments', so mines a little diff in functionallity.. 23:23 mtj and some db performance tweaks, etc 23:25 mtj mines 99% done, with unit tests and pod 23:27 mtj . 23:27 mtj but thanks for taking a wack at it, for me! 23:27 * cait hands out cookies and goes to bed 23:39 mtj fyi, i updated the bug... including a deserved apology 23:42 eythian heh :) 23:44 eythian I'm going to push this one up in the next hour or so because I need to get it in for a couple of clients, but we can probably put your stuff on top as patches afterwards without too much difficulty.