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23:59 bencahill rangi: when I run that, it all looks good, but I see this at the end: [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109
23:58 libsysguy so I fixed our ldap issue but im not sure if I want to commit it because I'm pretty sure nobody has as messed up of an LDAP setup as we do :p
23:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, can't import frameworks
23:33 bg bug 6727
23:19 jenkins_koha Starting build 382 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , Intranet - Circulation - Fines : debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Adding child patron: library not set
23:19 jenkins_koha * brice.sanchez: Bug 5713 :debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
23:19 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6116: Adding a child patron
23:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #381: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/381/
23:10 bencahill off to dinner...
23:07 libsysguy1 grr flaky interwebz
23:07 bencahill eythian: I'm a big fan of not being all confused ;)
23:04 * libsysguy is afraid of the circulation desk
23:03 libsysguy All the library staff left at 5 so I may test in the morning if that is ok
23:03 libsysguy just saw that
23:03 rangi libsysguy: updated
23:02 eythian bencahill: I'm a big fan of having all the stuff that makes things easy ;)
23:02 rangi yup with -r -b -a -v
23:02 bencahill rangi: so I've got zebrasrv as a nice daemon now...so run rebuild_zebra.pl now?
23:01 bencahill :-)
23:01 bencahill eythian: arch is extremely simple in philosophy...so the less 'stuff', the better
23:01 eythian ah, odd. I would have thought it would.
23:00 bencahill eythian: yes, that's what I've done...arch just doesn't use a daemon command like debian systems
23:00 eythian you can probably adapt that.
23:00 eythian bencahill: see debian/scripts/koha-start-zebra for how it's done there.
23:00 bencahill eythian: ok, thanks
22:59 eythian bencahill: not sure, my scripts use the daemon command to launch it, that makes it overall more useful.
22:58 libsysguy cool much appreciated
22:58 bencahill eythian: ok, so I can just add -u KOHAUID to zebrasrv?
22:58 rangi 2 secs will fix and push
22:58 rangi its just missing ::Calendar
22:58 libsysguy so is there something I did wrong rangi...or was it actually a bug?
22:58 eythian I don't think it'll break, but it's better practice.
22:57 libsysguy ahh rangi
22:57 nengard libsysguy, surely wasn't thinking that
22:57 eythian bencahill: it's preferable to have koha run it
22:57 rangi that line doesnt exist in master ;)
22:57 libsysguy nengard, sorry for the delay...I promise im not intentionally dragging my feet
22:57 rangi you wont be able to
22:57 rangi my $calendar = Koha->new( branchcode => $dropbox_branch );
22:57 rangi if ($dropbox_branch) {
22:56 libsysguy so if its better to do it that way I most certainly can
22:56 libsysguy ohh gotcha...well I have a test server that is based on master that I just stood up today
22:56 rangi it just needs to be noted as such
22:56 libsysguy oh really
22:56 rangi no, thats fine, you can send a patch based on that branch
22:55 libsysguy :p
22:55 libsysguy I figured it would be bad form to patch on an awaiting_qa branch
22:55 libsysguy as soon as I get logins working I was going to patch it and test on master
22:54 nengard i was gonna test your sign off
22:54 libsysguy yeah I was looking into doing a fix but I got tied up with this login business
22:54 bencahill rangi: is it fine for root to run zebrasrv, or should I have koha run it?
22:54 nengard libsysguy, you gonna sign off on partial payments?
22:54 rangi righto will see if i can do a fix for that
22:54 libsysguy at least that is the only place I've found it
22:54 libsysguy yes it does
22:54 rangi so that error with hourly loans, only occurs in dropbox mode?
22:54 rangi heh
22:54 libsysguy cursing LDAP
22:53 libsysguy i am indeed
22:53 rangi libsysguy: you still about?
22:43 bencahill rangi: ok
22:42 rangi there is a crontab.example
22:42 rangi cronjobs
22:42 bencahill rangi: ah
22:42 rangi and if you look in misc
22:42 rangi is the same user that runs rebuild_zebra.pl
22:42 rangi the trick is, make sure what ever user runs zebrasrv
22:41 bencahill rangi: gotcha
22:41 rangi yeah, you'll have to use whatever tools arch uses, but that gives you the idea
22:41 bencahill rangi: the script fails, because I don't have a 'daemon' exec :-/
22:39 rangi :)
22:38 bencahill rangi: oh yeah, I shoulda looked at that :P
22:38 rangi misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh
22:37 bencahill rangi: ok, sec
22:37 rangi take a look at the script for doing it under debian
22:37 bencahill rangi: there's no zebra.cfg in /usr/share/koha
22:37 rangi yeah thats not the way
22:37 bencahill rangi: just zebrasrv -D
22:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0dba62bf33f8ee99c04738742d9d1e847fd0ca5> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_4002' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=965438cc366267a5571280464a0ddef76c7e613e> / bug_4002: issues referential integrity <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0c9592592c0bd6c529
22:37 bencahill rangi: there are example config files (one for marcxml and one for marc21, and some more) in /usr/share/idzebra-2.0-examples
22:37 rangi how are you running it?
22:36 bencahill rangi: when I run zebrasrv, I get [fatal] Failed to read config `zebra.cfg'...
22:35 jenkins_koha Starting build 381 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:25 bencahill ok, lemme make a daemon file for zebrasrv...
22:24 rangi and that you have done a rebuild_zebra.pl -r
22:24 rangi is make sure zebrasrv is running
22:23 rangi but the first thing you need to do
22:23 rangi no set it up with the cronjob instead
22:23 bencahill (in INSTALL.debian, that is)
22:23 bencahill rangi: just adapt the section "run the Zebra process as a daemon (automatic indexing)" to fit?
22:20 bencahill rangi: no
22:20 rangi yes, but does it set up the cronjob to run rebuild_zebra?
22:19 bencahill rangi: I mean that there's a package for koha in arch (it's just not in the repos, you have to download the PKGBUILD script)
22:19 rangi and rebuilding_zebra.pl etc
22:19 rangi setting up up the cron job, and the init.d script etc
22:19 bencahill I'll take a look at the deb install file
22:18 rangi no the bit about setting it up with koha
22:18 bencahill rangi: I'm using arch...there's a build script for it, which did it all automatically...
22:17 rangi on setting up zebra
22:17 rangi take a look at teh INSTALL file for your distro
22:17 bencahill hehe, ok :)
22:17 rangi theres lots to do
22:17 bencahill rangi: ok, saved...is there anything else I need to do manually, or it's all good to go?
22:17 bencahill ok
22:17 rangi no leave those as they are
22:16 bencahill rangi: anything to do with NoZebraIndexes?
22:16 rangi yes
22:16 bencahill rangi: ok, so change NoZebra to 'Use'?
22:15 bencahill great to see that it's still working :)
22:14 bencahill okay, cool
22:14 rangi nope that will be fine
22:14 bencahill anything to worry about?
22:14 bencahill ^^ twice
22:14 bencahill DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 3998.
22:13 bencahill two errors,
22:13 bencahill oh I see it now
22:13 rangi no
22:13 bencahill rangi: is this the upgradeitems.pl script it's running now?
22:13 rangi yes
22:13 bencahill ok, so do that?
22:13 rangi no
22:12 bencahill that is, remove_items_from_biblioitems
22:12 bencahill rangi: it brings me to an update db page, will that link do the same thing I already did all over again?
22:11 bencahill rangi: ok, I haven't tried accessing koha since upgrading, lemme try it
22:10 rangi no in the systempreferences
22:10 bencahill s/I need/do I need/
22:10 bencahill rangi: I mean, is it in a file, or I need to change it via the backend?
22:10 rangi in searching probably
22:10 rangi and then read the INSTALL file for your distro
22:09 wahanui that is the problem
22:09 bencahill rangi: where is that?
22:09 rangi you will need to make sure the systempreference is set
22:09 bencahill rangi: ah...what should I do to enable/set it up?
22:09 rangi it might work, but no guarantees
22:09 rangi nozebra isnt supported in 3.4.x
22:08 rangi you should use zebra
22:05 bencahill I don't think I'm using zebra...can't remember, how do I check?
22:02 bencahill wizzyrea: should I run rebuild_nozebra.pl now?
22:01 bencahill wizzyrea: YAY! it appears to have finished :)
21:49 nengard will be back after dinner
21:49 nengard k - thanks all
21:47 nengard too weak to fight ;)
21:47 nengard not gonna hit you
21:46 Agent_Dani Right, I've created enough mischief (Nagios disk monitoring, actually,) at work for one day; time for dinner with my wife then home!
21:45 Agent_Dani heh
21:44 wizzyrea (she's gonna hit me, I just know it)
21:43 * wizzyrea teases
21:43 wizzyrea there was a fish in there?!
21:43 nengard you were right rangi, but the error was there when i tried it the other way before - cause of a space character - or a fluke
21:42 rangi works for me in mysql
21:42 nengard i think
21:42 nengard it was a space
21:42 rangi so that will never work ;)
21:42 rangi well you can never have where after group by
21:42 nengard when i did it the other way i got the same error
21:42 wizzyrea :P doesn't do it justice quite.
21:41 rangi :)
21:41 rangi if quantityreceived is an integer field
21:41 wizzyrea hrmph.
21:41 rangi and you dont need the ''
21:41 rangi put that before the group by
21:41 wizzyrea and that
21:40 wizzyrea where o.quantityreceived > '0'
21:40 rangi you cant do a where after a group by
21:40 rangi 2 secs ill read it
21:40 nengard yup
21:40 nengard up
21:40 rangi thats syntax error
21:40 nengard ERROR 1064 (42000):
21:39 nengard give me an error
21:39 nengard no
21:39 rangi does it run in mysql?
21:39 nengard select b.budget_name, sum(format(o.unitprice,2)) as "unitprice total", sum(o.rrp), sum(o.ecost), i.homebranch from aqorders o left join aqorders_items ai using (ordernumber) left join items i using (itemnumber) left join aqbudgets b using (budget_id) left join biblio bib on (bib.biblionumber=i.biblionumber) group by b.budget_name, i.homebranch where o.quantityreceived > 0
21:39 nengard hey all, i am getting a report error and i don't know why - anyone have any pointers?
21:29 bencahill rhcl: largest is 1hr, 25min
21:29 bencahill rhcl: yes
21:28 cait :)
21:28 wizzyrea gnite cait and magnuse :)
21:28 cait g'night #koha
21:26 magnuse g'night #koha
21:26 rhcl bencahill: do you see the processes building up time in the ps table?
21:26 * bencahill loves screen
21:26 bencahill and exit the screen session
21:25 bencahill or just do something else ;)
21:25 wizzyrea ;)
21:25 wizzyrea ^^ take a nap
21:25 bencahill at least it's doing something :-P
21:25 bencahill rangi: total disk write per sec varies from 800K to 4M
21:24 bencahill rangi: it appears there are on average 3-4 mysqld threads writing at 200KB/s each..no telling about random access, so...
21:23 pianohacker and cait and hdl1
21:23 pianohacker Hey liz
21:22 wizzyrea whaddup PH
21:22 cait hi pianohacker :)
21:22 wizzyrea well yea, on p4 hardware and IDE disks
21:21 hdl1 hi pianohacker
21:21 bencahill rangi: most likely...I'm not physically next to it though, so I can't check (unless there's an app for that...iotop?)
21:21 rangi i suspect I/O bound then
21:21 wahanui privet, pianohacker
21:21 pianohacker Hello
21:21 bencahill rangi: htop is showing around 20-30%
21:20 bencahill wizzyrea: not right now...it has a light X install so it can be used to manage koha as well, but not running right now
21:20 rangi what is the cpu usage?
21:20 bencahill rhcl: htop only shows 140MB ram being used (-buffers/cache)
21:20 wizzyrea you have other stuff running on this box?
21:20 rangi and that too
21:20 wizzyrea ^^
21:19 rangi parsing xml is slow
21:19 rhcl w/ 256mb of ram it's probably swapping
21:19 bencahill just for curiosity, why does the process take so long?
21:15 bencahill ok :)
21:15 rangi you can ignore those, at least you know its still doing something :)
21:14 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2796.
21:14 bencahill anywho, should I worry about these messages?
21:14 bencahill actually probably (realistically) probably more like 2004-5...p4 wasn't that long ago ;)
21:13 rangi :)
21:13 wizzyrea 2001 at least ;)
21:13 wizzyrea 99 might be a little harsh
21:13 bencahill wizzyrea: we're replacing it with one that has 1GB of ram...this is just a small lib
21:13 rangi :)
21:13 bencahill lol, I saw that coming
21:13 wizzyrea ^^
21:13 rangi dude 1999 called, it wants its hardware back
21:13 wizzyrea 256MB of RAM
21:13 bencahill yup
21:12 rangi a p4 ?
21:12 bencahill 'k :-P
21:12 wizzyrea that's slow
21:12 bencahill wizzyrea: what's slow? this is a p4 2.4 with 256MB ram, an ide hdd
21:11 wizzyrea so it really could take a very long time
21:11 wizzyrea on a slow server, our 700k took over 24 hours
21:11 bencahill wizzyrea: it's been running for 5:18, 2k items ??
21:10 bencahill lol
21:10 wizzyrea yes?
21:10 * wizzyrea looks around furtively
21:10 bencahill wizzyrea: ping
20:59 cait hehe
20:58 rangi :)
20:58 magnuse lazy rangi thinks one letter is enough... ;-)
20:58 magnuse :-)
20:58 rangi tab completion fail
20:58 rangi magnuse:
20:58 rangi doh
20:57 rangi hi melia
20:57 magnuse guten abend cait & #koha
20:54 cait hi magnuse
20:31 libsysguy hmm its not in error.log
20:31 rangi sometimes it warns in there
20:31 rangi in /var/log/apache2
20:30 rangi try the main apache error log
20:29 libsysguy because I'm not seeing either in koha-dev/var/log/
20:29 libsysguy if so how do I set that
20:29 libsysguy if i wanted to warn or print STDERR from inside Auth_with_ldap would I have to have debugging on?
20:22 rangi np
20:22 libsysguy thanks rangi
20:22 libsysguy not a bad idea
20:22 rangi to dump the return
20:22 rangi that does it, and uses Data::Dumper
20:22 rangi id write a little script
20:22 libsysguy i didn't see it in the doc
20:22 libsysguy dang
20:21 rangi nope
20:21 libsysguy do you happen to know what ldap search returns
20:20 Brooke oh crap, cat's gonna disown me!
20:20 libsysguy i can do that soo
20:20 rangi in the ldap section
20:20 rangi to be nicer, you could add it as a config option in the koha-conf.xml
20:20 libsysguy uh oh
20:20 rangi but
20:20 rangi yup it does
20:19 libsysguy does that sound dooable without breaking everything
20:19 libsysguy rangi: so i guess that is all i had to say
20:19 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Chillax/40200536
20:19 rangi also
20:19 wizzyrea but keyword = think
20:19 wizzyrea I don't think so
20:19 wizzyrea mmmm let me think about that
20:18 rangi libsysguy: with you so far
20:18 cait wizzyrea: can the runtime parameters bring up a datepicker?
20:18 rangi melia: nice press!
20:11 libsysguy in Auth_with_ldap.pm there are two functions that I am interested in (search_method, checkpw_ldap). I need to do a recursive search for a user since we have 2 OU's at my school, one for students one for fac/staff. Since checkpw_ldap can only bind to one I want to call search_method from inside checkpw_ldap to do a search for my user then do a bind
20:08 libsysguy any body want to let me pick their brain
20:08 libsysguy ok so I had a crazy idea today and I want to run it by somebody with programming experience
20:03 rangi :)
20:03 wizzyrea hehe yea, phoneeeeeeeee
20:03 rangi wizzyrea: in case you havent already, pleas update the bug report :)
20:03 rangi back
19:54 aarkerio thanks!! Koha is great!
19:54 Brooke I can only imagine nengard's written summat up
19:53 Brooke try a search for cataloguing serials in Koha
19:52 aarkerio By the way, somebody knows a link about how to add a scientific magazine to Koha?
19:48 wizzyrea I just wanted the cocoa dusting. :P
19:48 aarkerio mmm, thanks!
19:48 wizzyrea these are actually chocolate enrobed cocoa dusted almonds.
19:48 wizzyrea well these cocoa dusted almonds are not at all what I thought i was buying, but they are delicious none the less
19:47 wizzyrea aarkerio: Administration -> Item Types
19:46 aarkerio where can I add an item type?
19:46 aarkerio http://mononeurona.org/img/imgusers/aarkerio_2238.png
19:46 aarkerio somebody can help me with this:
19:46 aarkerio hi!!
19:43 cait I am too tired to figure it out from scratch now... or perhaps I will give it a try
19:42 hguewmLibrarian sure. :) Thanks cait
19:42 hguewmLibrarian i figured the koha gurus would know
19:42 cait if you pm me your email I can send you the report I have tomorrow
19:42 Brooke kia ora
19:42 hguewmLibrarian hmm...
19:42 cait it's definitely possible
19:40 cait can't access that installation from here
19:40 cait oh
19:39 cait I have something similar I think
19:39 cait hm
19:38 hguewmLibrarian but not this
19:38 hguewmLibrarian I found a beauty on the net, that gives current fines owed.
19:38 hguewmLibrarian so (date) to (date) fines paid - amount (cumulative) - detail on the patron name and payment date
19:37 hguewmLibrarian ok. So I'm looking to create a SQL report: showing cumulative fines paid
19:37 cait and not sure there are questions where this is the wrong place
19:36 cait we don#t know your question yet :)
19:35 hguewmLibrarian is this the wrong place?
19:35 hguewmLibrarian it deals with fines reports
19:35 hguewmLibrarian i've got a technical ponderance for the koha gurus
19:34 hguewmLibrarian hi cait
19:34 cait hi hguewmLibrarian
19:34 cait :)
19:34 cait no
19:34 hguewmLibrarian :) I'm not interrupting anything, am I?
19:32 wizzyrea I feel special, I have 1337 spam.
19:23 wizzyrea :) I do the same with my tablet - i set the user agent as "desktop" so sites won't show me the mobile version on my lovely whatever-size screen it is that isn't a phone.
19:22 rhcl If the site is really using ActiveX it won't help, but will with just about anything else that does a browser check.
19:21 wizzyrea oh that is very very cool
19:21 rhcl BTW, wizzyrea, the newest version of Userful (auto upgrade in our case) has a FF plugin that spoofs the user agent string which helps with some sites demanding IE.
19:20 cait nengard: around?
19:19 rhcl I'm working on an all-linux library
19:19 rhcl Installed Linux Mint 11 on both, worked just fine, and neither of them had any complaints about them not being Windows.
19:18 rhcl You know, I've purchased two laptops recently, one for The Director and one for our new bookstore manager. Both had Win 7 installed, and couldn't get either of the &%$%$ to connect to our wireless.
19:17 wizzyrea that would be cool too.
19:17 oleonard For a second there I thought rhcl said he owed wizzyrea a laptop
19:16 wizzyrea and it seems to work just fine
19:16 wizzyrea I just imported a framework exported from my test system, into the bywater demo
19:16 wizzyrea I wasn't able to duplicate her bug either
19:16 wizzyrea HUZZA
19:15 rhcl well, we just did all that and it seems to work. We owe wizzyrea a lolipop.
19:08 wizzyrea seems dangerous though
19:08 wizzyrea or import it over the old one
19:07 wizzyrea more accurately, export, edit, create a new framework, then import
19:07 libsysguy is anybody familiar with C4/Koha.pm
19:07 wizzyrea and reimport it
19:07 wizzyrea edit it however you want
19:07 wizzyrea export it into CSV
19:07 wizzyrea just use the exporter
19:06 wizzyrea yea, rhcl
19:06 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/08/16/faster-fast-add-framework/
19:05 cait 3.4 i think
19:05 cait she also has a video tutorial somewhere
19:05 wizzyrea and import it
19:05 rhcl yes?
19:05 cait but nicole reported a bug for that today
19:05 wizzyrea :P
19:05 wizzyrea do it in CSV
19:05 wizzyrea rhcl
19:05 wizzyrea oh, then
19:05 cait yep
19:05 wizzyrea can we import too? (through the gui, i mean)
19:05 wizzyrea you can already export them.
19:05 wizzyrea allow external editing and import of frameworks?
19:04 rhcl (we're looking for things to fund)
19:04 rhcl so what's a fix?
19:01 wizzyrea editing the framework can definitely be time consuming.
19:01 wahanui reboot it is, like, the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows
19:01 jcamins_away reboot it?!?
19:01 wahanui OK, jcamins_away.
19:01 jcamins_away wahanui: reboot it is the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows.
19:00 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot memcached
19:00 wizzyrea forget memcached
19:00 jcamins_away :D
19:00 jcamins_away Better yet, put /etc/init.d/memcached restart in cron.daily.
19:00 wahanui hmmm... memcached is not generalized in all the modules.
19:00 wizzyrea oh memcached.
19:00 wizzyrea reboot it?!
19:00 jcamins_away rhcl: run sudo /etc/init.d/memcached restart
19:00 wizzyrea !!
18:59 rhcl Yea, that's what she's doing now but it's really time consuming to do all, and then we need to reboot the server to apply the changes.
18:59 wizzyrea edit the marc framework, set the fields to 'hide'
18:58 oleonard Edit the framework
18:58 rhcl hide
18:58 rhcl OK, so my TSS is editing marc records, and would like to hid numerous fields that we never use. How to do?
18:58 rangi bbl
18:58 rangi ok, i hear kids awake
18:55 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/new_openlibrary
18:54 oleonard Neat
18:53 rangi works now, but needs lots of UI work
18:53 rangi which pulls in their digital copies if they exist
18:52 rangi i started on the read api for open library
18:51 cait hm something fun
18:50 rangi hehe
18:47 oleonard Although I'm getting impatient...
18:46 cait ok
18:45 oleonard We could. I hoped to be able to add jquery ui at the same time we removed YUI so as not to double-up on dependencies
18:45 rangi half and half would be messy
18:45 cait couldn't we start with replacing othermodules first?
18:45 rangi ahh
18:45 cait oh
18:45 oleonard It's in alpha right now. The last piece which needs to be placed before we can ditch YUI js
18:44 oleonard A jquery-ui native widget to replace the YUI menu widget
18:44 rangi menu component?
18:44 * oleonard has dutifully updated his jquery-ui branch, still wondering when the menu component is going to be released
18:43 rangi not probably until after october
18:42 oleonard So anyone working on anything fun these days?
18:31 rangi hehe
18:28 wizzyrea at least it is for me ;)
18:28 wizzyrea I like how the ad on the winter weather black ice story is a lovely picture of the tropics.
18:22 wizzyrea you guys really got it wow
18:21 wizzyrea oooo pretty
18:21 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/5453107/Wellington-snow-from-the-sky <-- pretty cool video
18:20 wizzyrea at least here, it's when it melts and re-freezes that it really becomes a problem
18:20 wizzyrea yea, no melting/freezing
18:20 rangi colder would actually be better
18:19 wizzyrea o my lord
18:18 rangi checkout picture 2
18:18 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5456201/Black-ice-a-risk-as-weather-eases
18:18 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (11:17 AM PDT on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
18:18 bg @wunder 93109
18:17 wizzyrea blerg
18:17 rangi yup
18:16 wizzyrea gonna have to hike down to get the bus?
18:15 rangi our hill is steep
18:15 bencahill wizzyrea: still going... :-P
18:15 wizzyrea !
18:15 rangi ice
18:15 wizzyrea due to snow?
18:15 rangi crap!
18:15 rangi Routes 4/32 Are now running as Route 1 services
18:14 rangi yeah the windchill is not fun
18:13 wizzyrea br
18:12 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
18:12 rangi @wunder wellington nz
17:58 wizzyrea (not that it's broken, of course)
17:58 wizzyrea (that you found the problem)
17:58 wizzyrea libsysguy: hoorah!
17:58 cait msglint?
17:55 slef cool. I thought there was a msglint or something but I can't find it now :(
17:53 cait can check for missing placeholders and such that will break translations
17:53 cait also pretty good for finding problems with the files
17:53 slef right. I should take a look at that.
17:53 cait perhaps even something like search and replace, you might want to check
17:53 cait poedit is good
17:53 cait :)
17:52 slef ;-)
17:52 slef yes, I'll let the librarian do that. They might decide it's not so important then.
17:52 cait and is it really necessary?
17:52 cait what is it supposed to be changed to?
17:52 cait but lots of strings might have to be changed
17:52 cait hm yes
17:50 slef hi cait. If someone wants to change the word "barcode" everywhere in the staff interface only (not the OPAC), do you think a translation should be able to do that OK?
17:48 libsysguy hey cait
17:48 cait hi libsysguy
17:42 libsysguy its an error in hourly loans
17:41 libsysguy wizzyrea: i found out what it was
17:41 cait hi #koha
17:34 wizzyrea pour moi
17:33 wizzyrea lunch
17:33 wizzyrea speaking of which
17:33 wizzyrea aha
17:33 slef I think cait's between work and home or something
17:33 slef hrm, "Barcode" is peppered through lots of the strings.
17:33 wizzyrea ping kf / cait
17:33 wizzyrea maybe kf can answer that
17:33 slef I think so. Been a while since I touched this.
17:33 * wizzyrea is not an expert on translation
17:32 wizzyrea well they have independent strings, right?
17:32 slef yeah, I was wondering that, but they want the change only in librarian... so I guess different languages in the two?
17:32 wizzyrea just a thought.
17:32 wizzyrea instead of mucking about with the templates
17:31 wizzyrea maybe a translation would serve you better in that case
17:31 wizzyrea slef: yea, it's all over
17:31 wizzyrea maybe something to do with hourly loans mucking it up?
17:30 wizzyrea libsysguy: I'm not getting that error on my dev box
17:30 bencahill wizzyrea: kthx, off to lunch now...
17:30 bencahill not necessarily a fast server, so that's probably slowing it down as well
17:30 slef ok... I've been asked to change the label "Barcode" in the librarian interface. Am I right in thinking that's going to be everywhere in the templates?
17:30 wizzyrea seems like it shouldn't take too much longer
17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: I've only got 2k, so it should be done pretty soon then?
17:29 rhcl slef: yea, that's probably the correct solution.
17:29 wizzyrea 750k ish
17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: how many items?
17:29 wizzyrea about 6
17:29 wizzyrea it was hours on our DB
17:29 wizzyrea it can take a really long time
17:29 bencahill how long should the remove_items_from_biblioitems take to run on a database with 2000 biblios/items? it's been running for over 20 minutes!
17:28 slef rhcl: setenv TZ to UTC first?
17:27 rhcl libsysguy: is there nothing in google that gives you a hint? http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-February/035103.html
17:26 rhcl slef: linux (man) strftime (should be the same surely)
17:26 slef rhcl: perl strftime?
17:24 libsysguy sadly
17:24 bencahill hmm, everyone seems to be asleep :-/
17:17 libsysguy and it happens when i go to return a checkout in dropbox mode
17:16 libsysguy its: Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha†at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522
17:16 libsysguy hey guys...I am getting a weird error that im not really sure how to troubleshoot
17:16 rhcl OK, maybe I'm just not seeing it, but is there nothing in strftime that lets you specify UTC explicitly?
17:15 rhcl disregard above
17:15 rhcl OK, maybe I'strftime
17:07 luisb success
17:07 rhcl test
17:03 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2796.
17:03 bencahill I'm getting a ton of these, by the way, should I be concerned?
17:02 bencahill hey guys, what scripts do I need to run to upgrade database (mysql) from 3.2.x to 3.4.x? running remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run now...
16:50 slef bibsys here in norway?
16:49 slef rhcl: does xchat not take from TZ environment variable? So start it with "env TZ=UTC xchat"
16:11 rhcl IRT Brooke post @0854. I wonder, having now posted this, if there is a way to set xchat to zulu time? But that would only help if everybody else on channel was set to zulu too.
16:07 jcamins_away rhcl: I'm not familiar with that ILS, Hummingbird. Tell them to switch to Koha. :)
15:51 rhcl :)
15:51 rhcl just googled it
15:51 oleonard http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/08/16/bywater-solutions-welcomes-melia-meggs-as-operations-manager
15:51 rhcl whois melia
15:50 melia I'm famous!
15:50 melia :)
15:50 oleonard Hi melia, I read about you in a press release!
15:30 rhcl The hummingbird migration in the US is underway; I routinely have 2-6 hummingbirds at my feeders
15:16 reiveune bye
15:03 oleonard Well done wizzyrea, thank you.
15:03 wahanui bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:03 wizzyrea bots?
15:03 wizzyrea bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot bots
15:03 wizzyrea forget bots
15:02 wahanui bots are cloning?
15:02 wizzyrea bots?
15:02 wizzyrea bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:02 magnuse bibsys here in norway are only supporting SRU for the future. their z39.50 server is still running, but they have said if saomething happens to it they won't repair
15:02 wahanui irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:02 wizzyrea irc regulars?
15:02 wizzyrea IRC regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:00 Agent_Dani The evening I had a dream in it was when I knew I needed a vacation.
14:59 oleonard I know some librarians who run that protocol
14:59 * jcamins_away dials in to a conference call.
14:59 oleonard :D
14:59 Agent_Dani heh
14:59 jcamins_away oleonard: "do the search in the OPAC your own damn self."
14:58 oleonard What magic protocol is up and coming?
14:56 jcamins_away Nor did I, but apparently we're behind the times.
14:56 oleonard I didn't even know Z39.50 was sick
14:56 jcamins_away MELVYL no longer supports Z39.50.
14:56 * jcamins_away plays a funeral dirge for Z39.50.
14:54 wizzyrea like that one
14:54 wizzyrea yea, I was trimming some
14:54 huginn oleonard: I have not seen acmoore.
14:54 oleonard @seen acmoore
14:54 oleonard I also wonder if we should trim those who are not seen after a certain amount of time
14:54 wizzyrea I'm already in
14:53 wizzyrea I'll do it
14:53 oleonard Go ahead if you're inclined. I'm just shooting my mouth off
14:53 wizzyrea are you doing that or should I add them :)
14:42 oleonard We should list the bots there too
14:41 * oleonard doesn't even see Brooke on there
14:41 oleonard We should plug http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars more often
14:39 wizzyrea does srdjan have an IRC nick?
14:39 wizzyrea good old henry :)
14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
14:38 * oleonard is happy that Bug 6253 get's wizzyrea's signoff. Sounds like a great improvement
14:13 kf bye all
14:04 kf ie-- css--
13:58 oleonard hdl1: I don't understand how it works. I see lots of calls to tmpl files in the scripts
13:58 hdl1 I don't think it should be that
13:58 hdl1 in 400.pl
13:57 hdl1 oleonard: i have a call to errors/400.tmpl
13:54 Brooke on one hand, seeing rare birds is cool. On the other hand, it means I almost always need an ornithologist buddy. Haven't had that luxury in like at least a decade.
13:52 wahanui que tal, Brooke
13:52 Brooke howdy
13:51 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:51 wizzyrea mornin
13:39 Brooke d'oh bywater's running 3.5 so I can't reproduce that :(
13:38 * oleonard gets the right error page for 403 and 404
13:37 hdl1 it calls HTML::Template::Pro
13:37 hdl1 400 404
13:37 hdl1 Brooke: Big hug
13:37 oleonard What kind of error pages?
13:37 hdl1 blank page.
13:36 oleonard hdl1: No display?
13:36 Oak hehe
13:36 * Brooke gives a big hug to the Flying Frenchman.
13:35 * Brooke can share!
13:35 hdl1 lucky Oak a big Brooke's hug in the morning
13:35 Oak how are ya Brooke?
13:35 wahanui Brooke: I forgot brooke
13:35 Brooke wahanui forget Brooke
13:35 Brooke ha!
13:35 Oak aww
13:35 * Brooke gives Oak a big hug.
13:35 hdl1 anyone having no display for error pages on 3.4 ?
13:34 wahanui Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet or not fond of a single person blocking another.
13:34 Oak Brooke!!
13:34 Brooke Oak!!
13:34 hdl1 hi all
13:31 libsysguy hmm
13:30 Brooke and this guy *was* vocal.
13:30 Brooke but the voice stuff is great
13:30 Brooke the profiles are pretty suck, which is stinky
13:29 Agent_Dani Brooke: Nice link! I was thinking about the birds in my area after hearing an owl while drifting off to sleep last night.
13:29 jcamins_away That's the only thing I an think of.
13:29 jcamins_away libsysguy: missing some date calculation module?
13:29 oleonard I wish I knew what to suggest libsysguy. FWIW I don't get the error in my test install.
13:24 libsysguy and I really don't know where to start trouble shooting it
13:23 libsysguy Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha†at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522
13:23 libsysguy I am getting this error when trying to check in a book in dropbox mode
11:18 rangi kmkale: are you about?
10:59 druthb o/
10:52 magnuse o/
10:35 magnuse slef: just that software patents are evil...
10:27 slef so, what do you make of http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15967 "3M Company and EnvisionWare, Inc. have entered into a confidential settlement agreement [about RFID patents]"
09:34 magnuse :-)
09:23 rangi yeah, it was fun for the people who have never seen snow before
09:21 magnuse bad enough!
09:21 rangi our house only got flurries, but we got the wind and hail
09:20 magnuse nope!
09:20 rangi so snow plus 111kmph gusts = not fun
09:17 rangi and snow to sea level in wellington is pretty much unheard of
09:16 rangi its a storm straight from antartica, that came up way faster than they normally do, normally they warm up a bit by the time the get to nz
09:15 magnuse no wonder you seem a little unprepared, then ;-)
09:15 magnuse oh wow
09:15 rangi been about 50 years
09:15 magnuse the very beautiful video from Cuba street said "once in a lifetime"?
09:14 magnuse how often does something like this happen in wellington?
09:14 rangi cold for the poor drivers
09:13 rangi then connect back to the wire and wait for the power to come back on
09:13 rangi so they unhook from the wires and park up somewhere safe
09:13 rangi they can run under autonomous power for a little while
09:11 slef bbi30ish
09:11 slef or do they have a neutral so people could push them off the road?
09:10 slef So "made a mess" = just stopped dead where they were?
09:10 rangi still a few routes closed
09:10 slef One of the advantages of life in a big city :)
09:10 rangi yeah, they gave up at 7pm last night here, but were on again this morning
09:09 slef Our buses just give up as soon as there's snow, citing safety.
09:09 rangi heh
09:09 slef I think we're high enough up the hill not to flood, though.
09:09 rangi we had power outages yesterday too, which since most of our buses are electric made a mess
09:08 slef Well, it's currently a traditional English summer outside here.
09:08 rangi yup
09:08 slef but once it gets icy, walking is the only safe way.
09:07 slef if there were no cars, bikes could still use most of the snowy roads OK
09:07 rangi sliding buses and cars = not good
09:07 slef Always is. People drive on snow = ice from day 2 onwards.
09:07 rangi with our steep hills and narrow windy streets
09:07 rangi its actually the ice thats the problem in wellington
09:06 rangi heh
09:05 slef rangi: did you know Wellington+Auckland snow was on our national news shows yesterday? #sillyseason
09:00 Judit well, you need to be ready for snow, that is true
09:00 rangi no its really not, it causes crashes, and people to die of hypothermia, specially in places like christchurch where people still have broken houses from the earthquake
08:59 Judit snow is beautiful and funfunfun
08:59 Judit no
08:59 rangi snow is annoying
08:59 Judit go out and bulid one!
08:59 Judit snow is so much fun!
08:58 rangi none, im bored of snow already :)
08:58 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5450195/Snow-in-winterless-north-amid-weather-chaos
08:58 Judit how many snowman have you built?
08:57 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/5453107/Wellington-snow-from-the-sky
08:56 rangi yes
08:56 Judit do you really have snow down there?
08:56 Judit cool rangi thank you
08:55 rangi http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160
08:54 Judit how do you change the blue background on the opac at the top to a different colour?
08:53 Judit good evening
08:52 slef rangi: I don't get to answer that quickly at the moment :(
08:49 kf hi slef
08:47 rangi i never answer anyone who posts the exact same question 2 days in a row anyway
08:46 magnuse kia ora slef
08:46 slef hi all
08:46 slef rangi: one of reasons I now delete digests unread unless I'm a list admin. The world can't afford the data transfer charges of encouraging bad posters.
08:39 magnuse ouch
08:36 rangi and then he sends another mail, asking the same question, replying to the digest, that contains owen answering him
08:36 rangi guy sends a mail to the list, replying to the digest and quoting the entire digest, owen answers and asks him not to reply to digests
08:35 rangi latest message to the list
08:35 kf hm?
08:35 rangi that was a huge fail
08:35 rangi wow
08:28 magnuse yay! ;-)
08:28 rangi at the moment yup
08:25 magnuse buses running again?
08:08 kf :)
08:07 rangi yep
08:04 kf that's good, right?
08:04 rangi it was 2
08:04 rangi its warmed up lots
08:02 huginn kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:02 kf @wunder Wellington, NZ
08:02 kf rangi: ah ok :)
08:00 mtj http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/01/the_rise_and_rise_of_node_dot_js/
08:00 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
08:00 mtj interesting....
07:50 rangi both are good features to have
07:50 rangi it never has to return home, until its no longer floating
07:49 rangi the floating one is more, and item can be anywhere
07:49 rangi rotating is more you move items to a branch and they stay there a while, then the whole collection moves
07:49 rangi but not quite the same
07:49 rangi similar even
07:49 rangi similair
07:47 kf rangi: I was only thinking that the floating collections sounds similar to the rotating collection things
07:46 rangi around now
07:44 julian hello #koha
07:18 kf good morning #koha
06:54 hdl hi magnuse
06:53 magnuse kia ora hdl
06:40 reiveune hello
06:26 alex_a :)
06:26 alex_a hi cait
06:25 cait bonjour alex_a :)
06:25 alex_a hi magnuse :)
06:25 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:25 alex_a bonjour #koha !
06:10 magnuse guten morgen!
06:10 cait god morgen :)
06:09 magnuse hm, seems it goes back to what i was before i logged off...
06:08 cait from away to afk? :)
05:54 cait rangi around?
05:49 cait morning #koha
05:25 eythian http://imgur.com/H6qry
05:17 eythian we just had a short hailstorm here
05:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
05:16 rangi @wunder wellington nz
03:52 rangi :)
03:52 chilts I should do, but not yet :)
03:52 chilts I updated my queue thing in Node last week (just a play thing) : https://github.com/appsattic/sensi
03:52 rangi i think im gonna play with perl6 more
03:52 rangi cool
03:52 chilts I like them both for different reasons :)
03:51 chilts am doing both Node and Go! at the moment
03:51 chilts https://go.googlecode.com/hg/LICENSE
03:51 rangi youve given up on node.js ?
03:50 rangi ta
03:50 chilts apaprently
03:50 chilts BSD-style
03:49 chilts the one Google usually do, I think it's a BSD one ... I'll check
03:48 rangi chilts: im being lazy, what license is go released under?
03:24 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:24 rangi @quote get 123
03:16 rangi which in the scheme of things is almost sane
03:16 rangi its AddReturn
03:16 rangi heh, well wont actually be touching reserves
03:15 wizzyrea i meann, it *is* reserves...
03:15 wizzyrea famous last words
02:56 rangi shouldnt be a big job to do that though
02:56 rangi its just the code to say, 'if this is floating, dont prompt to transfer'
02:55 rangi that would be cool
02:55 paulnz and floating can be done at item and collection level?
02:55 rangi yup that could be home, but then we'd need to tell koha, stop trying to transfer things back to floating ;)
02:55 paulnz then when you've finished the float cycle, bulk update them with a home?
02:55 paulnz could home be floating?
02:55 paulnz do they need a home?
02:52 libsysguy yes! i was looking for you yesterday for some good music
02:49 rangi (since i missed you yesterday)
02:49 rangi libsysguy: http://grooveshark.com/#/s/L+e+s+Artistes/2CFjbA?src=5
02:39 rangi heh
02:39 wizzyrea I know what I'll be testing tomorrow
02:39 wizzyrea woot 3 part name searching!
02:37 rangi that might work
02:37 wizzyrea authorized value?
02:37 rangi then you could bulk update
02:36 rangi yeah i think doing it properly with a flag is the way
02:36 wizzyrea messy even.
02:36 wizzyrea so could get mess
02:36 wizzyrea but then again, libraries keep oher stuff there too
02:34 rangi yeah i had that thought :)
02:33 wizzyrea or somesuch
02:33 wizzyrea the dirty way I think of would be to store the real home in the private note of the item record
02:32 rangi ideally
02:32 wizzyrea but you still need to know that it started out at Hawera
02:32 rangi so that if a Patea customer reserves a Hawera book, and returns the book at Patea, it stays as part of the Patea collection.
02:31 rangi yup
02:31 wizzyrea until it's time to go home
02:31 rangi yeah
02:31 wizzyrea so these items live wherever they are, technically
02:31 rangi nope
02:31 * wizzyrea was imagining a floating collection where every item in the set floated together
02:30 wizzyrea aha
02:30 rangi BUT everything else should
02:30 wizzyrea well that blows that then :)
02:30 rangi but when you return it, it shouldnt prompt to go home
02:30 rangi yep, you could transfer for reserve
02:30 wizzyrea or no hold
02:30 wizzyrea because if it doesn't, you could set an itype and do local hold only
02:30 wizzyrea well we'd need to know whether ^ that scenario exists
02:29 wizzyrea but it could technically be transited to another branch to fill a request right?
02:28 rangi i wonder if there is a way to say nothing in floating should prompt for transfer
02:28 wizzyrea or a flag for floating
02:28 rangi and current branch, where they are
02:27 rangi if we had a homebrnach=floating
02:27 rangi yeah
02:27 wizzyrea ooh yuck
02:27 rangi homebranch = where they should be, once they have finished floating at some point in the future
02:26 wizzyrea well in this case, homebranch = where they currently are
02:25 rangi a set of items that shouldnt prompt for being returned to their homebranch
02:25 wizzyrea well
02:25 wizzyrea hmm
02:25 rangi im not sure how to do it
02:24 wizzyrea floathing... that must be a freudian slip
02:24 rangi dangit
02:24 wizzyrea floating, even
02:24 wizzyrea rangi: nope, nekls doesn't have a floathing collection
02:19 jransom hi Chris
02:16 rangi hi jransom
02:13 rangi does nekls have a floating collection?
02:12 rangi wizzyrea: you might know this
02:05 rangi thanks that oughta help (its for the updating the maori translations)
02:05 rangi heh
02:04 paulnz http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/pt1-7.html#pt4
02:04 paulnz when you come up with explanation you'll be ahead of plenty of librarians
02:04 paulnz try this rangi
01:56 rangi how the hell do you explain authorities in library world to someone
01:56 rangi Koha but am not sure of the exact meaning of 'authority' here.
01:56 rangi How would you explain 'Authority Search Results'? I'm translating it in
01:56 rangi ok
01:37 wizzyrea I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo
01:25 libsysguy anybody up for helping me tackle an ldap question
01:25 libsysguy and back
00:51 wahanui well, libsysguy is curious why it is looking for the biblios table
00:51 bg heya libsysguy
00:41 libsysguy (and #Koha girls)
00:41 libsysguy hey guys
00:24 rangi hiya paulnz
00:23 paulnz hi rangi
00:11 melia :)
00:11 bg nice melia updated the wr for us
00:03 mtj cool...
00:02 eythian curious, but not something I need to bother about right now.
00:02 eythian mtj: it is something to do with the db, if I switch to another one it works.
00:00 rangi id use either the wr or the bug to ask bg
00:00 paulnz hi all
00:00 bg ah is he here?
00:00 huginn 04Bug 5788: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix.