Time Nick Message 00:00 huginn 04Bug 5788: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix. 00:00 bg ah is he here? 00:00 paulnz hi all 00:00 rangi id use either the wr or the bug to ask bg 00:02 eythian mtj: it is something to do with the db, if I switch to another one it works. 00:02 eythian curious, but not something I need to bother about right now. 00:03 mtj cool... 00:11 bg nice melia updated the wr for us 00:11 melia :) 00:23 paulnz hi rangi 00:24 rangi hiya paulnz 00:41 libsysguy hey guys 00:41 libsysguy (and #Koha girls) 00:51 bg heya libsysguy 00:51 wahanui well, libsysguy is curious why it is looking for the biblios table 01:25 libsysguy and back 01:25 libsysguy anybody up for helping me tackle an ldap question 01:37 wizzyrea I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo 01:56 rangi ok 01:56 rangi How would you explain 'Authority Search Results'? I'm translating it in 01:56 rangi Koha but am not sure of the exact meaning of 'authority' here. 01:56 rangi how the hell do you explain authorities in library world to someone 02:04 paulnz try this rangi 02:04 paulnz when you come up with explanation you'll be ahead of plenty of librarians 02:04 paulnz http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/pt1-7.html#pt4 02:05 rangi heh 02:05 rangi thanks that oughta help (its for the updating the maori translations) 02:12 rangi wizzyrea: you might know this 02:13 rangi does nekls have a floating collection? 02:16 rangi hi jransom 02:19 jransom hi Chris 02:24 wizzyrea rangi: nope, nekls doesn't have a floathing collection 02:24 wizzyrea floating, even 02:24 rangi dangit 02:24 wizzyrea floathing... that must be a freudian slip 02:25 rangi im not sure how to do it 02:25 wizzyrea hmm 02:25 wizzyrea well 02:25 rangi a set of items that shouldnt prompt for being returned to their homebranch 02:26 wizzyrea well in this case, homebranch = where they currently are 02:27 rangi homebranch = where they should be, once they have finished floating at some point in the future 02:27 wizzyrea ooh yuck 02:27 rangi yeah 02:27 rangi if we had a homebrnach=floating 02:28 rangi and current branch, where they are 02:28 wizzyrea or a flag for floating 02:28 rangi i wonder if there is a way to say nothing in floating should prompt for transfer 02:29 wizzyrea but it could technically be transited to another branch to fill a request right? 02:30 wizzyrea well we'd need to know whether ^ that scenario exists 02:30 wizzyrea because if it doesn't, you could set an itype and do local hold only 02:30 wizzyrea or no hold 02:30 rangi yep, you could transfer for reserve 02:30 rangi but when you return it, it shouldnt prompt to go home 02:30 wizzyrea well that blows that then :) 02:30 rangi BUT everything else should 02:30 wizzyrea aha 02:31 * wizzyrea was imagining a floating collection where every item in the set floated together 02:31 rangi nope 02:31 wizzyrea so these items live wherever they are, technically 02:31 rangi yeah 02:31 wizzyrea until it's time to go home 02:31 rangi yup 02:32 rangi so that if a Patea customer reserves a Hawera book, and returns the book at Patea, it stays as part of the Patea collection. 02:32 wizzyrea but you still need to know that it started out at Hawera 02:32 rangi ideally 02:33 wizzyrea the dirty way I think of would be to store the real home in the private note of the item record 02:33 wizzyrea or somesuch 02:34 rangi yeah i had that thought :) 02:36 wizzyrea but then again, libraries keep oher stuff there too 02:36 wizzyrea so could get mess 02:36 wizzyrea messy even. 02:36 rangi yeah i think doing it properly with a flag is the way 02:37 rangi then you could bulk update 02:37 wizzyrea authorized value? 02:37 rangi that might work 02:39 wizzyrea woot 3 part name searching! 02:39 wizzyrea I know what I'll be testing tomorrow 02:39 rangi heh 02:49 rangi libsysguy: http://grooveshark.com/#/s/L+e+s+Artistes/2CFjbA?src=5 02:49 rangi (since i missed you yesterday) 02:52 libsysguy yes! i was looking for you yesterday for some good music 02:55 paulnz do they need a home? 02:55 paulnz could home be floating? 02:55 paulnz then when you've finished the float cycle, bulk update them with a home? 02:55 rangi yup that could be home, but then we'd need to tell koha, stop trying to transfer things back to floating ;) 02:55 paulnz and floating can be done at item and collection level? 02:55 rangi that would be cool 02:56 rangi its just the code to say, 'if this is floating, dont prompt to transfer' 02:56 rangi shouldnt be a big job to do that though 03:15 wizzyrea famous last words 03:15 wizzyrea i meann, it *is* reserves... 03:16 rangi heh, well wont actually be touching reserves 03:16 rangi its AddReturn 03:16 rangi which in the scheme of things is almost sane 03:24 rangi @quote get 123 03:24 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 03:48 rangi chilts: im being lazy, what license is go released under? 03:49 chilts the one Google usually do, I think it's a BSD one ... I'll check 03:50 chilts BSD-style 03:50 chilts apaprently 03:50 rangi ta 03:51 rangi youve given up on node.js ? 03:51 chilts https://go.googlecode.com/hg/LICENSE 03:51 chilts am doing both Node and Go! at the moment 03:52 chilts I like them both for different reasons :) 03:52 rangi cool 03:52 rangi i think im gonna play with perl6 more 03:52 chilts I updated my queue thing in Node last week (just a play thing) : https://github.com/appsattic/sensi 03:52 chilts I should do, but not yet :) 03:52 rangi :) 05:16 rangi @wunder wellington nz 05:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 05:17 eythian we just had a short hailstorm here 05:25 eythian http://imgur.com/H6qry 05:49 cait morning #koha 05:54 cait rangi around? 06:08 cait from away to afk? :) 06:09 magnuse hm, seems it goes back to what i was before i logged off... 06:10 cait god morgen :) 06:10 magnuse guten morgen! 06:25 alex_a bonjour #koha ! 06:25 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:25 alex_a hi magnuse :) 06:25 cait bonjour alex_a :) 06:26 alex_a hi cait 06:26 alex_a :) 06:40 reiveune hello 06:53 magnuse kia ora hdl 06:54 hdl hi magnuse 07:18 kf good morning #koha 07:44 julian hello #koha 07:46 rangi around now 07:47 kf rangi: I was only thinking that the floating collections sounds similar to the rotating collection things 07:49 rangi similair 07:49 rangi similar even 07:49 rangi but not quite the same 07:49 rangi rotating is more you move items to a branch and they stay there a while, then the whole collection moves 07:49 rangi the floating one is more, and item can be anywhere 07:50 rangi it never has to return home, until its no longer floating 07:50 rangi both are good features to have 08:00 mtj interesting.... 08:00 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 08:00 mtj http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/01/the_rise_and_rise_of_node_dot_js/ 08:02 kf rangi: ah ok :) 08:02 kf @wunder Wellington, NZ 08:02 huginn kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 08:04 rangi its warmed up lots 08:04 rangi it was 2 08:04 kf that's good, right? 08:07 rangi yep 08:08 kf :) 08:25 magnuse buses running again? 08:28 rangi at the moment yup 08:28 magnuse yay! ;-) 08:35 rangi wow 08:35 rangi that was a huge fail 08:35 kf hm? 08:35 rangi latest message to the list 08:36 rangi guy sends a mail to the list, replying to the digest and quoting the entire digest, owen answers and asks him not to reply to digests 08:36 rangi and then he sends another mail, asking the same question, replying to the digest, that contains owen answering him 08:39 magnuse ouch 08:46 slef rangi: one of reasons I now delete digests unread unless I'm a list admin. The world can't afford the data transfer charges of encouraging bad posters. 08:46 slef hi all 08:46 magnuse kia ora slef 08:47 rangi i never answer anyone who posts the exact same question 2 days in a row anyway 08:49 kf hi slef 08:52 slef rangi: I don't get to answer that quickly at the moment :( 08:53 Judit good evening 08:54 Judit how do you change the blue background on the opac at the top to a different colour? 08:55 rangi http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 08:56 Judit cool rangi thank you 08:56 Judit do you really have snow down there? 08:56 rangi yes 08:57 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/5453107/Wellington-snow-from-the-sky 08:58 Judit how many snowman have you built? 08:58 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5450195/Snow-in-winterless-north-amid-weather-chaos 08:58 rangi none, im bored of snow already :) 08:59 Judit snow is so much fun! 08:59 Judit go out and bulid one! 08:59 rangi snow is annoying 08:59 Judit no 08:59 Judit snow is beautiful and funfunfun 09:00 rangi no its really not, it causes crashes, and people to die of hypothermia, specially in places like christchurch where people still have broken houses from the earthquake 09:00 Judit well, you need to be ready for snow, that is true 09:05 slef rangi: did you know Wellington+Auckland snow was on our national news shows yesterday? #sillyseason 09:06 rangi heh 09:07 rangi its actually the ice thats the problem in wellington 09:07 rangi with our steep hills and narrow windy streets 09:07 slef Always is. People drive on snow = ice from day 2 onwards. 09:07 rangi sliding buses and cars = not good 09:07 slef if there were no cars, bikes could still use most of the snowy roads OK 09:08 slef but once it gets icy, walking is the only safe way. 09:08 rangi yup 09:08 slef Well, it's currently a traditional English summer outside here. 09:09 rangi we had power outages yesterday too, which since most of our buses are electric made a mess 09:09 slef I think we're high enough up the hill not to flood, though. 09:09 rangi heh 09:09 slef Our buses just give up as soon as there's snow, citing safety. 09:10 rangi yeah, they gave up at 7pm last night here, but were on again this morning 09:10 slef One of the advantages of life in a big city :) 09:10 rangi still a few routes closed 09:10 slef So "made a mess" = just stopped dead where they were? 09:11 slef or do they have a neutral so people could push them off the road? 09:11 slef bbi30ish 09:13 rangi they can run under autonomous power for a little while 09:13 rangi so they unhook from the wires and park up somewhere safe 09:13 rangi then connect back to the wire and wait for the power to come back on 09:14 rangi cold for the poor drivers 09:14 magnuse how often does something like this happen in wellington? 09:15 magnuse the very beautiful video from Cuba street said "once in a lifetime"? 09:15 rangi been about 50 years 09:15 magnuse oh wow 09:15 magnuse no wonder you seem a little unprepared, then ;-) 09:16 rangi its a storm straight from antartica, that came up way faster than they normally do, normally they warm up a bit by the time the get to nz 09:17 rangi and snow to sea level in wellington is pretty much unheard of 09:20 rangi so snow plus 111kmph gusts = not fun 09:20 magnuse nope! 09:21 rangi our house only got flurries, but we got the wind and hail 09:21 magnuse bad enough! 09:23 rangi yeah, it was fun for the people who have never seen snow before 09:34 magnuse :-) 10:27 slef so, what do you make of http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15967 "3M Company and EnvisionWare, Inc. have entered into a confidential settlement agreement [about RFID patents]" 10:35 magnuse slef: just that software patents are evil... 10:52 magnuse o/ 10:59 druthb o/ 11:18 rangi kmkale: are you about? 13:23 libsysguy I am getting this error when trying to check in a book in dropbox mode 13:23 libsysguy Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha†at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522 13:24 libsysguy and I really don't know where to start trouble shooting it 13:29 oleonard I wish I knew what to suggest libsysguy. FWIW I don't get the error in my test install. 13:29 jcamins_away libsysguy: missing some date calculation module? 13:29 jcamins_away That's the only thing I an think of. 13:29 Agent_Dani Brooke: Nice link! I was thinking about the birds in my area after hearing an owl while drifting off to sleep last night. 13:30 Brooke the profiles are pretty suck, which is stinky 13:30 Brooke but the voice stuff is great 13:30 Brooke and this guy *was* vocal. 13:31 libsysguy hmm 13:34 hdl1 hi all 13:34 Brooke Oak!! 13:34 Oak Brooke!! 13:34 wahanui Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet or not fond of a single person blocking another. 13:35 hdl1 anyone having no display for error pages on 3.4 ? 13:35 * Brooke gives Oak a big hug. 13:35 Oak aww 13:35 Brooke ha! 13:35 Brooke wahanui forget Brooke 13:35 wahanui Brooke: I forgot brooke 13:35 Oak how are ya Brooke? 13:35 hdl1 lucky Oak a big Brooke's hug in the morning 13:35 * Brooke can share! 13:36 * Brooke gives a big hug to the Flying Frenchman. 13:36 Oak hehe 13:36 oleonard hdl1: No display? 13:37 hdl1 blank page. 13:37 oleonard What kind of error pages? 13:37 hdl1 Brooke: Big hug 13:37 hdl1 400 404 13:37 hdl1 it calls HTML::Template::Pro 13:38 * oleonard gets the right error page for 403 and 404 13:39 Brooke d'oh bywater's running 3.5 so I can't reproduce that :( 13:51 wizzyrea mornin 13:51 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:52 Brooke howdy 13:52 wahanui que tal, Brooke 13:54 Brooke on one hand, seeing rare birds is cool. On the other hand, it means I almost always need an ornithologist buddy. Haven't had that luxury in like at least a decade. 13:57 hdl1 oleonard: i have a call to errors/400.tmpl 13:58 hdl1 in 400.pl 13:58 hdl1 I don't think it should be that 13:58 oleonard hdl1: I don't understand how it works. I see lots of calls to tmpl files in the scripts 14:04 kf ie-- css-- 14:13 kf bye all 14:38 * oleonard is happy that Bug 6253 get's wizzyrea's signoff. Sounds like a great improvement 14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine 14:39 wizzyrea good old henry :) 14:39 wizzyrea does srdjan have an IRC nick? 14:41 oleonard We should plug http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars more often 14:41 * oleonard doesn't even see Brooke on there 14:42 oleonard We should list the bots there too 14:53 wizzyrea are you doing that or should I add them :) 14:53 oleonard Go ahead if you're inclined. I'm just shooting my mouth off 14:53 wizzyrea I'll do it 14:54 wizzyrea I'm already in 14:54 oleonard I also wonder if we should trim those who are not seen after a certain amount of time 14:54 oleonard @seen acmoore 14:54 huginn oleonard: I have not seen acmoore. 14:54 wizzyrea yea, I was trimming some 14:54 wizzyrea like that one 14:56 * jcamins_away plays a funeral dirge for Z39.50. 14:56 jcamins_away MELVYL no longer supports Z39.50. 14:56 oleonard I didn't even know Z39.50 was sick 14:56 jcamins_away Nor did I, but apparently we're behind the times. 14:58 oleonard What magic protocol is up and coming? 14:59 jcamins_away oleonard: "do the search in the OPAC your own damn self." 14:59 Agent_Dani heh 14:59 oleonard :D 14:59 * jcamins_away dials in to a conference call. 14:59 oleonard I know some librarians who run that protocol 15:00 Agent_Dani The evening I had a dream in it was when I knew I needed a vacation. 15:02 wizzyrea IRC regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 15:02 wizzyrea irc regulars? 15:02 wahanui irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 15:02 magnuse bibsys here in norway are only supporting SRU for the future. their z39.50 server is still running, but they have said if saomething happens to it they won't repair 15:02 wizzyrea bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 15:02 wizzyrea bots? 15:02 wahanui bots are cloning? 15:03 wizzyrea forget bots 15:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot bots 15:03 wizzyrea bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 15:03 wizzyrea bots? 15:03 wahanui bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 15:03 oleonard Well done wizzyrea, thank you. 15:16 reiveune bye 15:30 rhcl The hummingbird migration in the US is underway; I routinely have 2-6 hummingbirds at my feeders 15:50 oleonard Hi melia, I read about you in a press release! 15:50 melia :) 15:50 melia I'm famous! 15:51 rhcl whois melia 15:51 oleonard http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/08/16/bywater-solutions-welcomes-melia-meggs-as-operations-manager 15:51 rhcl just googled it 15:51 rhcl :) 16:07 jcamins_away rhcl: I'm not familiar with that ILS, Hummingbird. Tell them to switch to Koha. :) 16:11 rhcl IRT Brooke post @0854. I wonder, having now posted this, if there is a way to set xchat to zulu time? But that would only help if everybody else on channel was set to zulu too. 16:49 slef rhcl: does xchat not take from TZ environment variable? So start it with "env TZ=UTC xchat" 16:50 slef bibsys here in norway? 17:02 bencahill hey guys, what scripts do I need to run to upgrade database (mysql) from 3.2.x to 3.4.x? running remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run now... 17:03 bencahill I'm getting a ton of these, by the way, should I be concerned? 17:03 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2796. 17:07 rhcl test 17:07 luisb success 17:15 rhcl OK, maybe I'strftime 17:15 rhcl disregard above 17:16 rhcl OK, maybe I'm just not seeing it, but is there nothing in strftime that lets you specify UTC explicitly? 17:16 libsysguy hey guys...I am getting a weird error that im not really sure how to troubleshoot 17:16 libsysguy its: Can’t locate object method ‘new’ via package “koha†at /home/koha/kohaclone/c4/circulation, pm line 1798, <DATA> line 522 17:17 libsysguy and it happens when i go to return a checkout in dropbox mode 17:24 bencahill hmm, everyone seems to be asleep :-/ 17:24 libsysguy sadly 17:26 slef rhcl: perl strftime? 17:26 rhcl slef: linux (man) strftime (should be the same surely) 17:27 rhcl libsysguy: is there nothing in google that gives you a hint? http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-February/035103.html 17:28 slef rhcl: setenv TZ to UTC first? 17:29 bencahill how long should the remove_items_from_biblioitems take to run on a database with 2000 biblios/items? it's been running for over 20 minutes! 17:29 wizzyrea it can take a really long time 17:29 wizzyrea it was hours on our DB 17:29 wizzyrea about 6 17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: how many items? 17:29 wizzyrea 750k ish 17:29 rhcl slef: yea, that's probably the correct solution. 17:29 bencahill wizzyrea: I've only got 2k, so it should be done pretty soon then? 17:30 wizzyrea seems like it shouldn't take too much longer 17:30 slef ok... I've been asked to change the label "Barcode" in the librarian interface. Am I right in thinking that's going to be everywhere in the templates? 17:30 bencahill not necessarily a fast server, so that's probably slowing it down as well 17:30 bencahill wizzyrea: kthx, off to lunch now... 17:30 wizzyrea libsysguy: I'm not getting that error on my dev box 17:31 wizzyrea maybe something to do with hourly loans mucking it up? 17:31 wizzyrea slef: yea, it's all over 17:31 wizzyrea maybe a translation would serve you better in that case 17:32 wizzyrea instead of mucking about with the templates 17:32 wizzyrea just a thought. 17:32 slef yeah, I was wondering that, but they want the change only in librarian... so I guess different languages in the two? 17:32 wizzyrea well they have independent strings, right? 17:33 * wizzyrea is not an expert on translation 17:33 slef I think so. Been a while since I touched this. 17:33 wizzyrea maybe kf can answer that 17:33 wizzyrea ping kf / cait 17:33 slef hrm, "Barcode" is peppered through lots of the strings. 17:33 slef I think cait's between work and home or something 17:33 wizzyrea aha 17:33 wizzyrea speaking of which 17:33 wizzyrea lunch 17:34 wizzyrea pour moi 17:41 cait hi #koha 17:41 libsysguy wizzyrea: i found out what it was 17:42 libsysguy its an error in hourly loans 17:48 cait hi libsysguy 17:48 libsysguy hey cait 17:50 slef hi cait. If someone wants to change the word "barcode" everywhere in the staff interface only (not the OPAC), do you think a translation should be able to do that OK? 17:52 cait hm yes 17:52 cait but lots of strings might have to be changed 17:52 cait what is it supposed to be changed to? 17:52 cait and is it really necessary? 17:52 slef yes, I'll let the librarian do that. They might decide it's not so important then. 17:52 slef ;-) 17:53 cait :) 17:53 cait poedit is good 17:53 cait perhaps even something like search and replace, you might want to check 17:53 slef right. I should take a look at that. 17:53 cait also pretty good for finding problems with the files 17:53 cait can check for missing placeholders and such that will break translations 17:55 slef cool. I thought there was a msglint or something but I can't find it now :( 17:58 cait msglint? 17:58 wizzyrea libsysguy: hoorah! 17:58 wizzyrea (that you found the problem) 17:58 wizzyrea (not that it's broken, of course) 18:12 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:12 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 18:13 wizzyrea br 18:14 rangi yeah the windchill is not fun 18:15 rangi Routes 4/32 Are now running as Route 1 services 18:15 rangi crap! 18:15 wizzyrea due to snow? 18:15 rangi ice 18:15 wizzyrea ! 18:15 bencahill wizzyrea: still going... :-P 18:15 rangi our hill is steep 18:16 wizzyrea gonna have to hike down to get the bus? 18:17 rangi yup 18:17 wizzyrea blerg 18:18 bg @wunder 93109 18:18 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (11:17 AM PDT on August 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). 18:18 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5456201/Black-ice-a-risk-as-weather-eases 18:18 rangi checkout picture 2 18:19 wizzyrea o my lord 18:20 rangi colder would actually be better 18:20 wizzyrea yea, no melting/freezing 18:20 wizzyrea at least here, it's when it melts and re-freezes that it really becomes a problem 18:21 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/5453107/Wellington-snow-from-the-sky <-- pretty cool video 18:21 wizzyrea oooo pretty 18:22 wizzyrea you guys really got it wow 18:28 wizzyrea I like how the ad on the winter weather black ice story is a lovely picture of the tropics. 18:28 wizzyrea at least it is for me ;) 18:31 rangi hehe 18:42 oleonard So anyone working on anything fun these days? 18:43 rangi not probably until after october 18:44 * oleonard has dutifully updated his jquery-ui branch, still wondering when the menu component is going to be released 18:44 rangi menu component? 18:44 oleonard A jquery-ui native widget to replace the YUI menu widget 18:45 oleonard It's in alpha right now. The last piece which needs to be placed before we can ditch YUI js 18:45 cait oh 18:45 rangi ahh 18:45 cait couldn't we start with replacing othermodules first? 18:45 rangi half and half would be messy 18:45 oleonard We could. I hoped to be able to add jquery ui at the same time we removed YUI so as not to double-up on dependencies 18:46 cait ok 18:47 oleonard Although I'm getting impatient... 18:50 rangi hehe 18:51 cait hm something fun 18:52 rangi i started on the read api for open library 18:53 rangi which pulls in their digital copies if they exist 18:53 rangi works now, but needs lots of UI work 18:54 oleonard Neat 18:55 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/new_openlibrary 18:58 rangi ok, i hear kids awake 18:58 rangi bbl 18:58 rhcl OK, so my TSS is editing marc records, and would like to hid numerous fields that we never use. How to do? 18:58 rhcl hide 18:58 oleonard Edit the framework 18:59 wizzyrea edit the marc framework, set the fields to 'hide' 18:59 rhcl Yea, that's what she's doing now but it's really time consuming to do all, and then we need to reboot the server to apply the changes. 19:00 wizzyrea !! 19:00 jcamins_away rhcl: run sudo /etc/init.d/memcached restart 19:00 wizzyrea reboot it?! 19:00 wizzyrea oh memcached. 19:00 wahanui hmmm... memcached is not generalized in all the modules. 19:00 jcamins_away Better yet, put /etc/init.d/memcached restart in cron.daily. 19:00 jcamins_away :D 19:00 wizzyrea forget memcached 19:00 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot memcached 19:01 jcamins_away wahanui: reboot it is the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows. 19:01 wahanui OK, jcamins_away. 19:01 jcamins_away reboot it?!? 19:01 wahanui reboot it is, like, the standard, first-resort troubleshooting technique for Windows 19:01 wizzyrea editing the framework can definitely be time consuming. 19:04 rhcl so what's a fix? 19:04 rhcl (we're looking for things to fund) 19:05 wizzyrea allow external editing and import of frameworks? 19:05 wizzyrea you can already export them. 19:05 wizzyrea can we import too? (through the gui, i mean) 19:05 cait yep 19:05 wizzyrea oh, then 19:05 wizzyrea rhcl 19:05 wizzyrea do it in CSV 19:05 wizzyrea :P 19:05 cait but nicole reported a bug for that today 19:05 rhcl yes? 19:05 wizzyrea and import it 19:05 cait she also has a video tutorial somewhere 19:05 cait 3.4 i think 19:06 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/08/16/faster-fast-add-framework/ 19:06 wizzyrea yea, rhcl 19:07 wizzyrea just use the exporter 19:07 wizzyrea export it into CSV 19:07 wizzyrea edit it however you want 19:07 wizzyrea and reimport it 19:07 libsysguy is anybody familiar with C4/Koha.pm 19:07 wizzyrea more accurately, export, edit, create a new framework, then import 19:08 wizzyrea or import it over the old one 19:08 wizzyrea seems dangerous though 19:15 rhcl well, we just did all that and it seems to work. We owe wizzyrea a lolipop. 19:16 wizzyrea HUZZA 19:16 wizzyrea I wasn't able to duplicate her bug either 19:16 wizzyrea I just imported a framework exported from my test system, into the bywater demo 19:16 wizzyrea and it seems to work just fine 19:17 oleonard For a second there I thought rhcl said he owed wizzyrea a laptop 19:17 wizzyrea that would be cool too. 19:18 rhcl You know, I've purchased two laptops recently, one for The Director and one for our new bookstore manager. Both had Win 7 installed, and couldn't get either of the &%$%$ to connect to our wireless. 19:19 rhcl Installed Linux Mint 11 on both, worked just fine, and neither of them had any complaints about them not being Windows. 19:19 rhcl I'm working on an all-linux library 19:20 cait nengard: around? 19:21 rhcl BTW, wizzyrea, the newest version of Userful (auto upgrade in our case) has a FF plugin that spoofs the user agent string which helps with some sites demanding IE. 19:21 wizzyrea oh that is very very cool 19:22 rhcl If the site is really using ActiveX it won't help, but will with just about anything else that does a browser check. 19:23 wizzyrea :) I do the same with my tablet - i set the user agent as "desktop" so sites won't show me the mobile version on my lovely whatever-size screen it is that isn't a phone. 19:32 wizzyrea I feel special, I have 1337 spam. 19:34 hguewmLibrarian :) I'm not interrupting anything, am I? 19:34 cait no 19:34 cait :) 19:34 cait hi hguewmLibrarian 19:34 hguewmLibrarian hi cait 19:35 hguewmLibrarian i've got a technical ponderance for the koha gurus 19:35 hguewmLibrarian it deals with fines reports 19:35 hguewmLibrarian is this the wrong place? 19:36 cait we don#t know your question yet :) 19:37 cait and not sure there are questions where this is the wrong place 19:37 hguewmLibrarian ok. So I'm looking to create a SQL report: showing cumulative fines paid 19:38 hguewmLibrarian so (date) to (date) fines paid - amount (cumulative) - detail on the patron name and payment date 19:38 hguewmLibrarian I found a beauty on the net, that gives current fines owed. 19:38 hguewmLibrarian but not this 19:39 cait hm 19:39 cait I have something similar I think 19:40 cait oh 19:40 cait can't access that installation from here 19:42 cait it's definitely possible 19:42 hguewmLibrarian hmm... 19:42 Brooke kia ora 19:42 cait if you pm me your email I can send you the report I have tomorrow 19:42 hguewmLibrarian i figured the koha gurus would know 19:42 hguewmLibrarian sure. :) Thanks cait 19:43 cait I am too tired to figure it out from scratch now... or perhaps I will give it a try 19:46 aarkerio hi!! 19:46 aarkerio somebody can help me with this: 19:46 aarkerio http://mononeurona.org/img/imgusers/aarkerio_2238.png 19:46 aarkerio where can I add an item type? 19:47 wizzyrea aarkerio: Administration -> Item Types 19:48 wizzyrea well these cocoa dusted almonds are not at all what I thought i was buying, but they are delicious none the less 19:48 wizzyrea these are actually chocolate enrobed cocoa dusted almonds. 19:48 aarkerio mmm, thanks! 19:48 wizzyrea I just wanted the cocoa dusting. :P 19:52 aarkerio By the way, somebody knows a link about how to add a scientific magazine to Koha? 19:53 Brooke try a search for cataloguing serials in Koha 19:54 Brooke I can only imagine nengard's written summat up 19:54 aarkerio thanks!! Koha is great! 20:03 rangi back 20:03 rangi wizzyrea: in case you havent already, pleas update the bug report :) 20:03 wizzyrea hehe yea, phoneeeeeeeee 20:03 rangi :) 20:08 libsysguy ok so I had a crazy idea today and I want to run it by somebody with programming experience 20:08 libsysguy any body want to let me pick their brain 20:11 libsysguy in Auth_with_ldap.pm there are two functions that I am interested in (search_method, checkpw_ldap). I need to do a recursive search for a user since we have 2 OU's at my school, one for students one for fac/staff. Since checkpw_ldap can only bind to one I want to call search_method from inside checkpw_ldap to do a search for my user then do a bind 20:18 rangi melia: nice press! 20:18 cait wizzyrea: can the runtime parameters bring up a datepicker? 20:18 rangi libsysguy: with you so far 20:19 wizzyrea mmmm let me think about that 20:19 wizzyrea I don't think so 20:19 wizzyrea but keyword = think 20:19 rangi also 20:19 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Chillax/40200536 20:19 libsysguy rangi: so i guess that is all i had to say 20:19 libsysguy does that sound dooable without breaking everything 20:20 rangi yup it does 20:20 rangi but 20:20 libsysguy uh oh 20:20 rangi to be nicer, you could add it as a config option in the koha-conf.xml 20:20 rangi in the ldap section 20:20 libsysguy i can do that soo 20:20 Brooke oh crap, cat's gonna disown me! 20:21 libsysguy do you happen to know what ldap search returns 20:21 rangi nope 20:22 libsysguy dang 20:22 libsysguy i didn't see it in the doc 20:22 rangi id write a little script 20:22 rangi that does it, and uses Data::Dumper 20:22 rangi to dump the return 20:22 libsysguy not a bad idea 20:22 libsysguy thanks rangi 20:22 rangi np 20:29 libsysguy if i wanted to warn or print STDERR from inside Auth_with_ldap would I have to have debugging on? 20:29 libsysguy if so how do I set that 20:29 libsysguy because I'm not seeing either in koha-dev/var/log/ 20:30 rangi try the main apache error log 20:31 rangi in /var/log/apache2 20:31 rangi sometimes it warns in there 20:31 libsysguy hmm its not in error.log 20:54 cait hi magnuse 20:57 magnuse guten abend cait & #koha 20:57 rangi hi melia 20:58 rangi doh 20:58 rangi magnuse: 20:58 rangi tab completion fail 20:58 magnuse :-) 20:58 magnuse lazy rangi thinks one letter is enough... ;-) 20:58 rangi :) 20:59 cait hehe 21:10 bencahill wizzyrea: ping 21:10 * wizzyrea looks around furtively 21:10 wizzyrea yes? 21:10 bencahill lol 21:11 bencahill wizzyrea: it's been running for 5:18, 2k items ?? 21:11 wizzyrea on a slow server, our 700k took over 24 hours 21:11 wizzyrea so it really could take a very long time 21:12 bencahill wizzyrea: what's slow? this is a p4 2.4 with 256MB ram, an ide hdd 21:12 wizzyrea that's slow 21:12 bencahill 'k :-P 21:12 rangi a p4 ? 21:13 bencahill yup 21:13 wizzyrea 256MB of RAM 21:13 rangi dude 1999 called, it wants its hardware back 21:13 wizzyrea ^^ 21:13 bencahill lol, I saw that coming 21:13 rangi :) 21:13 bencahill wizzyrea: we're replacing it with one that has 1GB of ram...this is just a small lib 21:13 wizzyrea 99 might be a little harsh 21:13 wizzyrea 2001 at least ;) 21:13 rangi :) 21:14 bencahill actually probably (realistically) probably more like 2004-5...p4 wasn't that long ago ;) 21:14 bencahill anywho, should I worry about these messages? 21:14 bencahill Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2796. 21:15 rangi you can ignore those, at least you know its still doing something :) 21:15 bencahill ok :) 21:19 bencahill just for curiosity, why does the process take so long? 21:19 rhcl w/ 256mb of ram it's probably swapping 21:19 rangi parsing xml is slow 21:20 wizzyrea ^^ 21:20 rangi and that too 21:20 wizzyrea you have other stuff running on this box? 21:20 bencahill rhcl: htop only shows 140MB ram being used (-buffers/cache) 21:20 rangi what is the cpu usage? 21:20 bencahill wizzyrea: not right now...it has a light X install so it can be used to manage koha as well, but not running right now 21:21 bencahill rangi: htop is showing around 20-30% 21:21 pianohacker Hello 21:21 wahanui privet, pianohacker 21:21 rangi i suspect I/O bound then 21:21 bencahill rangi: most likely...I'm not physically next to it though, so I can't check (unless there's an app for that...iotop?) 21:21 hdl1 hi pianohacker 21:22 wizzyrea well yea, on p4 hardware and IDE disks 21:22 cait hi pianohacker :) 21:22 wizzyrea whaddup PH 21:23 pianohacker Hey liz 21:23 pianohacker and cait and hdl1 21:24 bencahill rangi: it appears there are on average 3-4 mysqld threads writing at 200KB/s each..no telling about random access, so... 21:25 bencahill rangi: total disk write per sec varies from 800K to 4M 21:25 bencahill at least it's doing something :-P 21:25 wizzyrea ^^ take a nap 21:25 wizzyrea ;) 21:25 bencahill or just do something else ;) 21:26 bencahill and exit the screen session 21:26 * bencahill loves screen 21:26 rhcl bencahill: do you see the processes building up time in the ps table? 21:26 magnuse g'night #koha 21:28 cait g'night #koha 21:28 wizzyrea gnite cait and magnuse :) 21:28 cait :) 21:29 bencahill rhcl: yes 21:29 bencahill rhcl: largest is 1hr, 25min 21:39 nengard hey all, i am getting a report error and i don't know why - anyone have any pointers? 21:39 nengard select b.budget_name, sum(format(o.unitprice,2)) as "unitprice total", sum(o.rrp), sum(o.ecost), i.homebranch from aqorders o left join aqorders_items ai using (ordernumber) left join items i using (itemnumber) left join aqbudgets b using (budget_id) left join biblio bib on (bib.biblionumber=i.biblionumber) group by b.budget_name, i.homebranch where o.quantityreceived > 0 21:39 rangi does it run in mysql? 21:39 nengard no 21:39 nengard give me an error 21:40 nengard ERROR 1064 (42000): 21:40 rangi thats syntax error 21:40 nengard up 21:40 nengard yup 21:40 rangi 2 secs ill read it 21:40 rangi you cant do a where after a group by 21:40 wizzyrea where o.quantityreceived > '0' 21:41 wizzyrea and that 21:41 rangi put that before the group by 21:41 rangi and you dont need the '' 21:41 wizzyrea hrmph. 21:41 rangi if quantityreceived is an integer field 21:41 rangi :) 21:42 wizzyrea :P doesn't do it justice quite. 21:42 nengard when i did it the other way i got the same error 21:42 rangi well you can never have where after group by 21:42 rangi so that will never work ;) 21:42 nengard it was a space 21:42 nengard i think 21:42 rangi works for me in mysql 21:43 nengard you were right rangi, but the error was there when i tried it the other way before - cause of a space character - or a fluke 21:43 wizzyrea there was a fish in there?! 21:43 * wizzyrea teases 21:44 wizzyrea (she's gonna hit me, I just know it) 21:45 Agent_Dani heh 21:46 Agent_Dani Right, I've created enough mischief (Nagios disk monitoring, actually,) at work for one day; time for dinner with my wife then home! 21:47 nengard not gonna hit you 21:47 nengard too weak to fight ;) 21:49 nengard k - thanks all 21:49 nengard will be back after dinner 22:01 bencahill wizzyrea: YAY! it appears to have finished :) 22:02 bencahill wizzyrea: should I run rebuild_nozebra.pl now? 22:05 bencahill I don't think I'm using zebra...can't remember, how do I check? 22:08 rangi you should use zebra 22:09 rangi nozebra isnt supported in 3.4.x 22:09 rangi it might work, but no guarantees 22:09 bencahill rangi: ah...what should I do to enable/set it up? 22:09 rangi you will need to make sure the systempreference is set 22:09 bencahill rangi: where is that? 22:09 wahanui that is the problem 22:10 rangi and then read the INSTALL file for your distro 22:10 rangi in searching probably 22:10 bencahill rangi: I mean, is it in a file, or I need to change it via the backend? 22:10 bencahill s/I need/do I need/ 22:10 rangi no in the systempreferences 22:11 bencahill rangi: ok, I haven't tried accessing koha since upgrading, lemme try it 22:12 bencahill rangi: it brings me to an update db page, will that link do the same thing I already did all over again? 22:12 bencahill that is, remove_items_from_biblioitems 22:13 rangi no 22:13 bencahill ok, so do that? 22:13 rangi yes 22:13 bencahill rangi: is this the upgradeitems.pl script it's running now? 22:13 rangi no 22:13 bencahill oh I see it now 22:13 bencahill two errors, 22:14 bencahill DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 3998. 22:14 bencahill ^^ twice 22:14 bencahill anything to worry about? 22:14 rangi nope that will be fine 22:14 bencahill okay, cool 22:15 bencahill great to see that it's still working :) 22:16 bencahill rangi: ok, so change NoZebra to 'Use'? 22:16 rangi yes 22:16 bencahill rangi: anything to do with NoZebraIndexes? 22:17 rangi no leave those as they are 22:17 bencahill ok 22:17 bencahill rangi: ok, saved...is there anything else I need to do manually, or it's all good to go? 22:17 rangi theres lots to do 22:17 bencahill hehe, ok :) 22:17 rangi take a look at teh INSTALL file for your distro 22:17 rangi on setting up zebra 22:18 bencahill rangi: I'm using arch...there's a build script for it, which did it all automatically... 22:18 rangi no the bit about setting it up with koha 22:19 bencahill I'll take a look at the deb install file 22:19 rangi setting up up the cron job, and the init.d script etc 22:19 rangi and rebuilding_zebra.pl etc 22:19 bencahill rangi: I mean that there's a package for koha in arch (it's just not in the repos, you have to download the PKGBUILD script) 22:20 rangi yes, but does it set up the cronjob to run rebuild_zebra? 22:20 bencahill rangi: no 22:23 bencahill rangi: just adapt the section "run the Zebra process as a daemon (automatic indexing)" to fit? 22:23 bencahill (in INSTALL.debian, that is) 22:23 rangi no set it up with the cronjob instead 22:23 rangi but the first thing you need to do 22:24 rangi is make sure zebrasrv is running 22:24 rangi and that you have done a rebuild_zebra.pl -r 22:25 bencahill ok, lemme make a daemon file for zebrasrv... 22:35 jenkins_koha Starting build 381 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:36 bencahill rangi: when I run zebrasrv, I get [fatal] Failed to read config `zebra.cfg'... 22:37 rangi how are you running it? 22:37 bencahill rangi: there are example config files (one for marcxml and one for marc21, and some more) in /usr/share/idzebra-2.0-examples 22:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0dba62bf33f8ee99c04738742d9d1e847fd0ca5> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_4002' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=965438cc366267a5571280464a0ddef76c7e613e> / bug_4002: issues referential integrity <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0c9592592c0bd6c529 22:37 bencahill rangi: just zebrasrv -D 22:37 rangi yeah thats not the way 22:37 bencahill rangi: there's no zebra.cfg in /usr/share/koha 22:37 rangi take a look at the script for doing it under debian 22:37 bencahill rangi: ok, sec 22:38 rangi misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 22:38 bencahill rangi: oh yeah, I shoulda looked at that :P 22:39 rangi :) 22:41 bencahill rangi: the script fails, because I don't have a 'daemon' exec :-/ 22:41 rangi yeah, you'll have to use whatever tools arch uses, but that gives you the idea 22:41 bencahill rangi: gotcha 22:42 rangi the trick is, make sure what ever user runs zebrasrv 22:42 rangi is the same user that runs rebuild_zebra.pl 22:42 rangi and if you look in misc 22:42 bencahill rangi: ah 22:42 rangi cronjobs 22:42 rangi there is a crontab.example 22:43 bencahill rangi: ok 22:53 rangi libsysguy: you still about? 22:53 libsysguy i am indeed 22:54 libsysguy cursing LDAP 22:54 rangi heh 22:54 rangi so that error with hourly loans, only occurs in dropbox mode? 22:54 libsysguy yes it does 22:54 libsysguy at least that is the only place I've found it 22:54 rangi righto will see if i can do a fix for that 22:54 nengard libsysguy, you gonna sign off on partial payments? 22:54 bencahill rangi: is it fine for root to run zebrasrv, or should I have koha run it? 22:54 libsysguy yeah I was looking into doing a fix but I got tied up with this login business 22:54 nengard i was gonna test your sign off 22:55 libsysguy as soon as I get logins working I was going to patch it and test on master 22:55 libsysguy I figured it would be bad form to patch on an awaiting_qa branch 22:55 libsysguy :p 22:56 rangi no, thats fine, you can send a patch based on that branch 22:56 libsysguy oh really 22:56 rangi it just needs to be noted as such 22:56 libsysguy ohh gotcha...well I have a test server that is based on master that I just stood up today 22:56 libsysguy so if its better to do it that way I most certainly can 22:57 rangi if ($dropbox_branch) { 22:57 rangi my $calendar = Koha->new( branchcode => $dropbox_branch ); 22:57 rangi you wont be able to 22:57 libsysguy nengard, sorry for the delay...I promise im not intentionally dragging my feet 22:57 rangi that line doesnt exist in master ;) 22:57 eythian bencahill: it's preferable to have koha run it 22:57 nengard libsysguy, surely wasn't thinking that 22:57 libsysguy ahh rangi 22:58 eythian I don't think it'll break, but it's better practice. 22:58 libsysguy so is there something I did wrong rangi...or was it actually a bug? 22:58 rangi its just missing ::Calendar 22:58 rangi 2 secs will fix and push 22:58 bencahill eythian: ok, so I can just add -u KOHAUID to zebrasrv? 22:58 libsysguy cool much appreciated 22:59 eythian bencahill: not sure, my scripts use the daemon command to launch it, that makes it overall more useful. 23:00 bencahill eythian: ok, thanks 23:00 eythian bencahill: see debian/scripts/koha-start-zebra for how it's done there. 23:00 eythian you can probably adapt that. 23:00 bencahill eythian: yes, that's what I've done...arch just doesn't use a daemon command like debian systems 23:01 eythian ah, odd. I would have thought it would. 23:01 bencahill eythian: arch is extremely simple in philosophy...so the less 'stuff', the better 23:01 bencahill :-) 23:02 bencahill rangi: so I've got zebrasrv as a nice daemon now...so run rebuild_zebra.pl now? 23:02 rangi yup with -r -b -a -v 23:02 eythian bencahill: I'm a big fan of having all the stuff that makes things easy ;) 23:03 rangi libsysguy: updated 23:03 libsysguy just saw that 23:03 libsysguy All the library staff left at 5 so I may test in the morning if that is ok 23:04 * libsysguy is afraid of the circulation desk 23:07 bencahill eythian: I'm a big fan of not being all confused ;) 23:07 libsysguy1 grr flaky interwebz 23:10 bencahill off to dinner... 23:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #381: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/381/ 23:19 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6116: Adding a child patron 23:19 jenkins_koha * brice.sanchez: Bug 5713 :debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed 23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Adding child patron: library not set 23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , Intranet - Circulation - Fines : debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed 23:19 jenkins_koha Starting build 382 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:33 bg bug 6727 23:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, can't import frameworks 23:58 libsysguy so I fixed our ldap issue but im not sure if I want to commit it because I'm pretty sure nobody has as messed up of an LDAP setup as we do :p 23:59 bencahill rangi: when I run that, it all looks good, but I see this at the end: [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109