Time Nick Message 00:57 druthb o/ 08:06 jenkins_koha Starting build 375 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 5663: Show control number without organization code in staff URLs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc84823b812157cde08c56b2fad90d2dbf5f64e4> / Bug 6550 - update values for OpacRenewalBranch preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52d1bc999721b3ca72a5526038edb43c14f39ca4> / Bug 6553 : Follow up adding license statements <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 08:13 cait hi #koha 08:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6713, editing matching rules broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b38eccf73b199bf450915ba01236ddf76658a5a> 08:21 cait !jenkins botsnack breakfast 08:21 jenkins_koha cait: you're so kind to me! how did you know that breakfast is my favorite food? 08:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #375: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/375/ 08:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6553 : Fixing authentication issue, there is no reason we should be able to use these without authentication 08:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6553 : Follow up adding license statements 08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 enhancement, P5, ---, jcamins, NEW , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings 08:49 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6550 - update values for OpacRenewalBranch preference 08:50 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 5663: Show control number without organization code in staff URLs 08:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6550 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , OpacRenewalBranch values sloppy 08:50 jenkins_koha Starting build 376 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #376: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/376/ 09:33 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6713, editing matching rules broken 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching 09:39 kmkale Namaskar #koha 09:43 cait hi kmkale 09:43 kmkale hi cait 09:43 kmkale my own sites index pages dont match :( 09:44 kmkale cant find the current version on local disk 09:44 kmkale :( 09:45 cait sorry? 09:46 kmkale :) 09:46 kmkale trying to make the link back prominent. Havent updated the website in ages 09:46 kmkale cant find the right index page file 09:47 kmkale anyway totally out of topic 09:47 rangi 2 09:49 cait hi rangi 09:49 cait 3? 09:50 kmkale namaste rangi 09:50 kmkale still playing the number game? 14:04 druthb1 o/ 14:05 druthb1 hi, libsysguy! 14:06 libsysguy hey druthb1 14:06 libsysguy ITS MIGRATION DAY!!! 14:13 druthb1 wahoo! 14:13 libsysguy did you get that script i emailed you? 14:13 druthb1 One less SD library,one more Koha....the world will be a better place tomorrow, by just a taste, for your work today. :) 14:14 druthb1 I did. I'm tidying up a few things, and fancying up a few. I'd like to submit it to community, if you don't mind. 14:14 libsysguy I was hoping you would. I have been so busy I haven't had a chance to clean it up 14:14 libsysguy but if you area already doing it kudos :) 14:15 druthb1 you bet. I need it rather urgently, for a couple of my big projects. 14:15 libsysguy understandable 14:16 libsysguy ugh...speaking of migrating patrons...that is my next big task :'( 14:16 libsysguy are you going to be around for a bit incase i get confused on your scripts? 14:17 druthb1 In and out. my daughter and I are leaving shortly for a bus tour of the amish country. 14:17 libsysguy ohh ok...more Amish cookies? 14:17 druthb1 :) 14:17 libsysguy say hi to Lindsey for me :) 14:17 druthb1 will. :) 14:21 libsysguy so for bill holds patrons etc 14:21 libsysguy what order do i run the scripts in? 14:21 libsysguy that is probably the most confusing part for me :'( 14:36 druthb1 bibs/items, patrons, issues, bills, holds. That's the order I do it. 14:40 libsysguy cool...then i shall do it in that order :) 14:40 libsysguy just because I want to be as cool as druthb1 14:52 druthb1 bah 14:52 libsysguy what happened? 15:00 druthb1 you're already way cooler than druthb1. 15:00 jcamins_away Does anyone here know the protocol for telling the manager of a hotel that one particular employee is extraordinarily professional and pleasant, and ought to be promoted? 15:01 druthb1 Just go tell them. 15:01 druthb1 (I do that.) 15:01 druthb1 hi, jcamins_away! :) 15:01 libsysguy ^^ 15:01 jcamins_away Okay, that's how I was going to do it, but I wasn't sure if there's a proper way to do it. 15:02 * druthb1 finishes up a looooong new blog post: http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/2011/08/thanks-jenny/ 15:07 jcamins_away druthb++ 15:09 druthb1 thanx, jcamins_away. Jenny's op-ed is fantastic from end to end, and I *love* seeing a transwoman end up published there...and that got me stirred up 15:11 jcamins_away Maybe I should go into STM publishing. 15:11 druthb1 STM? 15:12 jcamins_away Science, Technology, and Medicine. 15:12 jcamins_away AKA, those fields where LaTeX is more likely to be used. 15:12 druthb1 Oh!. I'd heard STEM (add Engineeering), but not the shorter form 15:13 jcamins_away Ah, I probably meant STEM. 15:13 jcamins_away :) 15:13 druthb1 :) 15:14 jcamins_away But seriously, LaTeX is so much nicer for publishing. 15:14 druthb1 :) 17:08 libsysguy does anybody know how to set up fine/bill reasons? 18:37 cait hi #koha 20:16 libsysguy hey if i exported all of my ebooks and modified the marc 20:17 libsysguy how can i re-import them and change all the records 20:18 cait cou can match and overlay 20:18 cait but you need something to match on 20:18 libsysguy im assuming the isbn would work 20:19 libsysguy how do you do that with the shell 20:19 cait not sure 20:19 cait you can use the tool > stagd marc import 20:19 libsysguy because half our collection is ebooks so its too big for the web interface 20:19 cait I think it's possible - actually we do it 20:20 cait but I am not sure how, my coworker does it 20:20 libsysguy haha 20:20 cait :) 20:20 libsysguy hmm...i don't want to break it 20:20 cait our nightly imports use the matching rules and staged tools on command line 20:20 libsysguy hmm ok 20:26 jcamins_away libsysguy: I would not rely on ISBN. 20:26 jcamins_away Create a matching rule on biblionumber. 20:27 jcamins_away libsysguy: you have a background in CS, don't you? 20:27 jcamins_away (as opposed to libraries) 20:29 jcamins_away Someone (I don't remember who) posited that people with CS backgrounds expect ISBNs to be unique and consistent. :) 20:40 libsysguy yes i do 20:40 libsysguy and yes i do expect that 20:40 libsysguy way to let me down 20:41 jcamins_away I guess the theory has some evidence to support it. :) 20:41 libsysguy exactly 20:41 libsysguy as a CS major i expect unique keys to be UNIQUE!!! 20:41 libsysguy instead i get pseudo-unique 20:41 jcamins_away Fortunately, it's easy to create a biblionumber matching rule. 20:42 libsysguy do i have to do it through staging? 20:42 jcamins_away You create the rule in the administration module. 20:42 jcamins_away Then you import the records using the stage and commit marc_biblios scripts. 20:43 libsysguy ok cool 20:49 libsysguy hey jcamins_away...how do i set up that matching rule 20:49 libsysguy is it in mapping? 20:49 jcamins_away No. It's in Matching Rules. 20:50 jcamins_away Last option under "Cataloging"? 20:50 jcamins_away Or whatever the first section on the right is called. 20:50 libsysguy ohh i see it 20:50 libsysguy i don't get into this side of koha too often 20:51 jcamins_away Want to know how you can tell I see it too often? 20:51 jcamins_away I don't actually have access to Koha right now, and I know exactly where the link is. 20:51 libsysguy haha my thoughts exactly 20:51 libsysguy but i found it 20:52 jcamins_away Okay, now comes the tricky part. 20:52 libsysguy ok 20:52 jcamins_away You need the name of the biblionumber index. 20:52 libsysguy *serious face one* 20:52 jcamins_away For reasons I couldn't possibly speculate on, it's not "Biblionumber." 20:52 jcamins_away It's something like Record-identifier. 20:53 jcamins_away You'll need to locate that by looking in the file in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs. 20:53 jcamins_away You want the index that's listed after 999$c 20:54 jcamins_away Okay, so that wasn't actually that tricky. It's hard for me to do, not having access to a Koha instance. 20:54 libsysguy melm 999$d biblioitemnumber:n,biblioitemnumber:w,biblioitemnumber:s 20:54 libsysguy or melm 999$c Local-Number:n,Local-Number:w,Local-Number:s 20:54 jcamins_away Local-Number 20:54 libsysguy gotcha 20:55 libsysguy what should i set the match threshold to? 0? 20:55 jcamins_away So that's the index. The field is going to be 999 and the subfield is going to be c. 20:55 jcamins_away Match threshold should be 999. 20:55 jcamins_away The match value (forgotten the exact label) should be 1000. 20:55 jcamins_away Offset and length should be zero. 20:56 jcamins_away Did I miss any boxes? 20:56 jcamins_away Don't worry about checkpoints. 20:57 libsysguy hmm so so for matching rule code 20:57 jcamins_away I generally use 999c and for description biblionumber. 20:57 jcamins_away But that's for you. 20:57 libsysguy right 20:57 libsysguy well im going with what you have 20:58 libsysguy normalization rule 20:58 libsysguy ? 20:58 jcamins_away Leave it blank. 20:58 libsysguy search index and score? 20:58 libsysguy was that 1000? 20:59 jcamins_away Search index is Local-Number. 20:59 jcamins_away score is 1000. 20:59 wahanui is 1000. has neutral karma 21:00 libsysguy ok i think that is it 21:00 libsysguy (please god 21:00 libsysguy ) 21:00 libsysguy ok so now i go to the staging script? 21:01 jcamins_away Yep. 21:01 jcamins_away I don't remember the command line usage, but there's POD. 21:01 libsysguy yeah i can look at it 21:04 libsysguy so after i have staged them...do i run bulk marc import? 21:05 jcamins_away No, then you run the commit script. 21:05 libsysguy ahh ok 21:05 jcamins_away It's something like stage_marc_biblios and commit_marc_biblios. 21:05 jcamins_away It's in misc. 21:05 jcamins_away You'll find 'em. 21:05 libsysguy yeah i see them 21:05 libsysguy i just didn't know what i was looking for lol 21:09 libsysguy working jcamins_away++ 21:10 jcamins_away Yay! Glad to hear it. 21:21 jcamins_away Okay, time to go borrow Starbucks' wifi so that I can send e-mail. 21:21 libsysguy haha later jcamins_away 21:21 jcamins_away Good luck, libsysguy. 21:21 libsysguy gracias 21:44 jcamins_away Apparently Starbucks doesn't offer free wi-fi in Chicago. 21:44 libsysguy ouch 21:44 libsysguy complain to ATT 21:45 * jcamins_away tries a different way of skinning cats. 21:45 libsysguy tethering? 21:45 jcamins_away Oh, I've been tethered all along. 21:45 jcamins_away The problem is the tethering doesn't work with https. 21:45 libsysguy and you can't send email 21:45 libsysguy ohhh 21:45 libsysguy you are using the free one 21:46 jcamins_away Yup. 21:47 rangi its probably just doing it port based 21:47 rangi rather than actually blocking 21:47 rangi i have an ssh server that listens on port 80 for that reason 21:47 * jcamins_away skins the cat. 21:47 libsysguy Kitty!!! noo!! 21:48 jcamins_away Set up a mail client, don't enter the password for IMAP. 21:48 jcamins_away SMTP works fine. 21:49 libsysguy w00t for unsecured email 21:49 jcamins_away libsysguy: using TLS. 21:50 libsysguy oh 21:50 libsysguy well then you sir are excused 21:57 jcamins_away Woohoo! It worked! 21:58 jcamins_away rangi: I'd need to set up an actual proxy and not just port forwarding, if I wanted to use HTTPS. This was easier. :) 21:59 rangi :) 22:00 libsysguy hey jcamins_away the staging script said it only matched 5344 bibs but processed 251198 22:00 jcamins_away If I didn't need to attach things, of course, I would've just sent the message using telnet. :) 22:00 libsysguy something seems odd there 22:00 jcamins_away libsysguy: that's not good. 22:00 jcamins_away libsysguy: go into the management interface. 22:00 libsysguy there 22:01 jcamins_away The manage staged marc batches interface, I mean. 22:01 jcamins_away Take a look at that batch. 22:01 jcamins_away What matching rule does it say you're using. 22:01 jcamins_away s/\./?/ 22:02 libsysguy ugh 22:02 libsysguy it said it applied the "Do not look for matching records rule 22:02 jcamins_away Okay, change it to your 999c rule. 22:02 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 22:02 libsysguy yeah let me fix that and restage 22:03 jcamins_away libsysguy: you don't have to do anything on the command line. 22:03 libsysguy yeah i was just going to use the web interface 22:03 jcamins_away Okay. 22:03 jcamins_away Just checking you knew that. :) 22:03 * libsysguy is lazy 22:03 jcamins_away rangi: why does wahanui die every time I say change it to something? 22:05 jcamins_away "change it to something", that is. 22:05 jcamins_away wahanui: change it to something. 22:05 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 22:15 libsysguy ugh the stage timed out 22:16 jcamins_away libsysguy: you should be able to just wait a bit, then go in and see that it's finished. 22:16 libsysguy well i ran a top 22:16 libsysguy and it looked like it was done 22:17 libsysguy so i licked back into it and the matching rule wasn't set correctly 22:17 libsysguy so i assumed it failed 22:17 jcamins_away Oh. Hm. 22:17 jcamins_away Wait. 22:17 jcamins_away rangi: is this what happened with the bug you just patched? 22:23 libsysguy jcamins_away: when i specified a match ID i just said 999c 22:23 libsysguy i assume that is correct 22:24 jcamins_away libsysguy: I think so. In the user interface, it should let you change it using th dropdowns. 22:24 libsysguy yeah it does 22:24 libsysguy it just locked up on me :'( 22:25 druthb o/ 22:25 libsysguy hey ruth 22:25 libsysguy did you bring me cookies 22:26 druthb hi! how's the migration going? 22:26 * druthb offers cookies 22:26 libsysguy well...i've written about 500 lines of js and css today 22:26 libsysguy so im pooped 22:26 libsysguy and i can't get my exported records to import 22:26 * druthb was a good girl, and only ate *one* of the wonderful soft pretzels at Eli's roadside stand. 22:26 jcamins_away Hello. 22:26 * libsysguy accepts cookies 22:26 libsysguy mmm pretzels 22:27 libsysguy jcamins or druthb does this look right: ./stage_biblios_file.pl --file=./kohaebooks.mrc --match-bibs=999c 22:27 druthb I don't know the stage_biblios_file script, libsysguy, as I never use it. 22:28 libsysguy hmm 22:28 druthb (do it from inside Koha, maybe?) 22:28 jcamins_away Looks right as far as I can tell. 22:28 libsysguy the file is too big 22:28 libsysguy 400M 22:28 druthb ! 22:28 libsysguy ebooks 22:28 libsysguy is like over half our collection 22:28 druthb yoiks. 22:28 libsysguy yeah i know 22:29 libsysguy im wondering if the 999c should be in quotes 22:29 libsysguy or if it matters 22:29 druthb should there be any matches in there to actually have to worry about? 22:29 libsysguy well we imported them initially 22:29 libsysguy then pulled them all out and modified the marc 22:29 druthb oh. rats. 22:29 libsysguy now i want to put the updated ones back in 22:30 libsysguy I guess i could go delete all the ones in the db then just reimport with the normal script 22:33 * druthb tries to Do It Once. 22:36 * druthb steps away, to switch networks. 22:38 druthb1 oh, goodie! Two of me! 22:39 libsysguy only if you are using 0 based indexing 22:39 druthb1 lol 22:39 jcamins_away Well, you know what Knuth said about that, right? 22:39 druthb1 It's been thunderstormin' here...very cool and nice, now. 22:40 libsysguy @wunder 75799 22:40 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in South Central Tyler, TYLER, Texas is 32.4�C (5:39 PM CDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 22:40 jcamins_away Thunderstorming here, too. I'd just as soon not go out and get drenched. 22:40 libsysguy hmm its cooling off here lol 22:43 jcamins_away @wunder chicago, il 22:43 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is 21.1�C (5:42 PM CDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Falling). 22:43 jcamins_away @wunder 11375 22:43 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 25.4�C (6:41 PM EDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 22:43 druthb1 @wunder intercourse, PA 22:43 huginn druthb1: The current temperature in http://www.nhpaweather.com, New Holland, Pennsylvania is 21.2�C (6:42 PM EDT on August 13, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 22:44 * druthb1 is thinking when The Minion wakes, she will send her for some chow. 22:44 libsysguy that makes me want Chinese for some reason...maybe the word chow 22:50 druthb ooo. But I have eaten at one buffet today already, so I sha'n't, tempting as it is--there's a nice one just down the road in Lancaster. not sure what I'll want. 22:51 * jcamins_away would like pizza. 22:52 libsysguy I have tons of pizza in the library fridge 22:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: good job thinking ahead! 22:54 libsysguy exactly...the librarians felt bad for me having to work all day 22:56 Agent_Dani Mmm, pizza. 22:56 * Agent_Dani had some reheated last night. 22:56 Agent_Dani It was divine since I was starving. 22:57 * jcamins_away considers the probability that his wife will be able to go to lunch tomorrow. 22:58 Agent_Dani Oh? 22:58 jcamins_away We're at a conference. 22:59 jcamins_away We were supposed to go today, but they scheduled 45 minutes for lunch... not really enough time to go to a famous pizza place. 23:00 jcamins_away (that is, there was a lunch organized by the graduate student subcommittee) 23:00 jcamins_away Since the only reason I didn't get lunch there on my own earlier was because Shari was going to the scheduled lunch, she said we'd go tomorrow. 23:03 jcamins_away So I'm considering the probability that she'll actually be able to go to a sit-down lunch tomorrow. 23:03 druthb oooo 23:04 Agent_Dani jcamins_away: Gotcha. 23:05 Agent_Dani And my sympathies. My wife and I schedule lunch or dinner together during the week because that's the only way we get to see each other - she works 4-midnight Sun-Thurs while I work 7-3 M-F. 23:05 jcamins_away Yikes! 23:05 jcamins_away That's awful! 23:06 Agent_Dani Yeah, not the best, that's for sure. 23:06 Agent_Dani I tried to get a later schedule; got a 9:30 start time approved but it proved to not be worth it in two ways. 23:07 rangi @wunder wellington nz 23:07 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 23:08 Agent_Dani a) not much of an overlap so it really didn't help. b) Even though I was working 50+ hour weeks my manager's perception was that I was working far fewer hours, under the 40 minimum, and I was getting negative job performance marks as a result. 23:08 druthb hi, rangi! 23:09 jcamins_away Ah. Yuck. I hope the opposite schedules are temporary. 23:09 jcamins_away Or at least have an eventual end in sight. 23:09 Agent_Dani jcamins_away: Thanks. We do as well. It's been a bit over a year now, and she doesn't want to change employers so that makes things a little more difficult. 23:09 rangi hi druthb :) 23:12 libsysguy man....when im staging im getting a lot of this: Use of uninitialized value $string in substr at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Matcher.pm line 731. 23:13 rangi yep harmless warns but we should quiet them 23:13 libsysguy so people like me don't panic lol 23:14 * druthb inserts a line into her scripts in odd places: warn "This is just here to make libsysguy freak out. Everyone else may relax." 23:14 libsysguy hehe 23:15 Agent_Dani hehe 23:20 jcamins_away Yikes! 23:20 jcamins_away Don't try to change the case of Russian text in LibreOffice. 23:21 * druthb can't imagine when she'd be typing Russian text... 23:24 libsysguy ok guys im done migrating for today...ill see ya later :) 23:24 libsysguy thanks for all the help :) 23:24 Agent_Dani bye!