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23:59 bg heh
23:55 chilts though they also reckon that acting experience was required (even though they said it wasn't)
23:55 chilts a couple of my (short) friends applied to be Hobits, but they got turned away for meing too tall
23:50 bg darn
23:50 rangi not lately no
23:29 bg rangi - seen any hobbit things lately?
23:09 eythian hi magnus_away, bye magnus_away
23:08 magnuse r
23:08 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day! see ya late
23:03 magnuse i rent serverspace from slicehost, that has worked well so far
23:03 magnuse yeah, looks interesting, thanks!
23:02 rangi might be a way to do it, without needing to look after a bunch of servers yourself
23:02 rangi http://www.activestate.com/cloud
23:02 rangi and
23:02 rangi https://openshift.redhat.com/app/
23:01 rangi have you seen this
23:01 rangi sweet, good idea
22:59 magnuse and it won't be long before i'm using packages for my customers too, i think!
22:59 magnuse my plan, as you saw, is to offer free koha for personal use to norwegian library people - to get some attention and start to build a community, hopefully
22:58 magnuse yay!
22:58 rangi awesome
22:58 magnuse stille some work to make it general, but it was easy to copy what srdjan has done and get nb-NO working!
22:57 magnuse yeah, i'm thrilled! :-)
22:57 rangi good to hear that the language packages worked though!
22:57 rangi ahh fair enough
22:55 magnuse i'll have another look tomorrow, i'm a little too tired to think straight now (and just back from a concert with Fanfare ciocarlia)
22:54 rangi thats worth a bug report
22:54 magnuse but yeah, i'll just change script ever so slightly
22:54 magnuse the -v options doesn't seem to do much
22:53 rangi heh
22:53 magnuse rangi: so you're replacing me with a machine? *sobs*
22:53 rangi i know how to do it the hardcodey way
22:53 rangi hmm
22:53 magnuse hmf, i can't seem to make build-git-snapshot use 3.4-1~git instead of 3.5-1~git
22:52 rangi hi druthb
22:52 rangi heh, it was your own status, google translated it for me
22:51 magnuse hiya druthb
22:51 druthb hi, magnuse n rangi! :D
22:51 magnuse rangi: still need a norwegian? ;-)
22:39 rangi never say no to panda
22:39 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
22:39 rangi interesting
22:39 rangi https://openshift.redhat.com/app/
22:25 Agent_Dani It's amazing how much smoother an upgrade goes when one has an idea what they're doing.
22:23 druthb o/
22:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6683] (es-ES) translate SQL scripts descriptions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6683>
21:31 rangi e
21:31 rangi nop
21:31 chilts so there wasn't one in 2007 or 2008?
21:31 rangi the conf proper was paris tho
21:31 wizzyrea AH
21:31 rangi for the dev week
21:31 wizzyrea I thought it was ^^
21:31 rangi yup, and marseille
21:30 chilts ah, Paris (I just searched) :)
21:30 chilts was that France?
21:29 rangi 2006 last time it was there
21:29 rangi yeah i think europes turn
21:29 rhcl OK, Angeles City.
21:29 * jcamins is hoping for the UK.
21:29 rangi philipines is a possibility, as they are rolling it out nationwide
21:28 rhcl Wish I was back there. Different world.
21:28 wizzyrea ^.^
21:28 wizzyrea I think you just like to say Bangkok.
21:28 rhcl OK, then Bangkok it is. Settled. Final
21:28 wizzyrea Europe is currently a popular choice
21:27 wizzyrea that's only 2 years ago. I imagine it's probably one of those things we'll just have to wait our turn on ;)
21:27 wizzyrea 09 I mean
21:27 wizzyrea dude, 08 was in the US
21:22 rhcl New Orleans (not in Summer)?
21:22 rhcl Well, Florida is a great destination too. Miami? St. Petersburg?
21:20 rangi surely i can land in russia and just jump over
21:20 rangi id go
21:20 Agent_Dani heh
21:18 rangi heh
21:18 * gmcharlt is fishing for any excuse to go back
21:18 gmcharlt but Alaska is beautiful! so beautiful that it's worth any trouble to get to it!
21:18 rangi the first hour of go live is always the worst
21:18 rangi so far so good
21:04 rangi yeah, that always helps
20:57 * jcamins suggests somewhere easy to get to would be a good choice.
20:55 rhcl http://www.travelalaska.com/Destinations/Communities/Chena%20Hot%20Springs.aspx <-- better site
20:52 rhcl OK, then we need to have it at Chena Hot Springs in Alaska. http://www.chenahotsprings.com/ I've been there too. Pretty wild, to sit in an enclosed naturally flowing hot spring and watch it snow outside.
20:51 mtj cool, kc.org site is fine now
20:50 rangi yeah 2009 was plano
20:50 rhcl Oh, really?
20:50 rangi weve done TX already, might be a while before we can do that again
20:50 rhcl And they have the semi-famous Brick Red Library, though I don't think they have Koha.
20:49 rhcl I think San Antonio, TX, would be a great place for a KohaCon - down on the RiverWalk.
20:47 wizzyrea me too
20:47 rhcl works for me
20:47 wizzyrea nope
20:47 rangi nope
20:47 mtj http://koha-community.org/support/
20:46 wahanui hmmm... page is too big?
20:46 rangi what page?
20:46 rangi i think UK wins out of those 2
20:46 mtj is this page down?
20:45 rhcl seems a lot of the flights originating from the Eastern US have to fly to California then back to Reno, but that's subject to the whims of the airplanes I guess.
20:44 rangi right
20:43 rhcl much more pedestrian--the gambling isn't nearly as "in-your-face" as Vegas, much smaller city,
20:43 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12
20:42 rhcl huh, kinda sorta. why? I was in reno about a year ago
20:42 rangi reno is like vegas junior right?
20:40 rhcl The second review w/ numbered points is mine, IUGAH.
20:39 rhcl night night
20:39 wizzyrea gnite cait
20:39 cait ok - time to sleep - good night all
20:38 rhcl I'll demmo my Cherry Bomb Server for small libraries. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112267
20:38 rangi heh
20:36 rhcl come on bg, wizzy and I will help you out.
20:35 rangi https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150336425750242&id=110331970241
20:35 rangi ah google works
20:34 rangi i need a norwegian
20:34 rangi heh
20:34 * bg actually votes to have it on a cruise-ship in international waters
20:33 * bg wonders if I'm up for planning one here… But I think I'll wait a few years
20:32 rangi bywater partners, so use Koha
20:31 wahanui i guess interesting is good
20:31 wizzyrea interesting
20:31 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
20:31 wizzyrea interesting is also sometimes good
20:31 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12
20:31 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes bad
20:31 rangi interesting
20:30 oleonard Gone
20:22 rangi back
20:14 rangi eek my stop bbiab
20:14 rangi ahh
20:14 bg yup - but she doesn't have inet yet
20:13 rangi bg: Melia start today?
20:12 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.7�C (1:11 PM PDT on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
20:12 bg @wunder 93109
20:11 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
20:11 cait rangi?
20:10 wahanui I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
20:10 rangi bg?
20:06 cait :)
20:05 rangi doing some training for ppl in Fiji and papua new guinea too, its spreading in the pacific
20:04 cait cool :)
20:03 rangi so thats promising
20:03 rangi but came to the users group
20:02 rangi and use voyager and are looking to move, they have 2 years left on contract
20:02 rangi but 3 of them are in a consortia
20:02 rangi there are only 6 universities in nz
20:01 rangi mostly special/corporate/govt
20:00 cait do you have academic libraries too? or mostly public?
20:00 cait very good numbers :)
19:59 rangi right
19:59 cait tutor - so not the platforms fault
19:59 cait but this is something from the tutur
19:59 rangi ahh
19:59 cait no, they have their own system
19:58 rangi what is it? blackboard?
19:58 rangi really?
19:58 rangi the publics are finally catching up to the other libraries in nz
19:58 rangi thats now 5 systems, and a total of 19 libraries .. with another system and 3 libs on the way
19:55 cait because the elearning modul uses pdf forms :(
19:55 * cait is forced to install adobe reader in ubuntu
19:55 cait good luck!
19:55 cait very cool :)
19:54 rangi new public library system goes live today
19:53 cait yep :)
19:52 rangi Hehe good
19:51 cait I have solved the karnaugh-veitch-diagram riddle
19:51 rangi morning
19:51 * cait shares cookies with koha
19:50 jcamins But the patch requires rebasing.
19:50 cait morning rangi
19:50 jcamins rangi: yeah, I know.
19:50 rangi (the text box)
19:50 rangi pianohacker did that already
19:43 * jcamins once again hit the impossible-to-replicate "click and the editor spontaneously wigs out and erases all your changes" bug.
19:40 * jcamins makes a note to replace Koha's MARC editor with a textbox.
19:04 cait hi gadara
19:03 wahanui salut, gadara
19:03 gadara hi
17:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6682] open library is two words <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6682>
17:56 wizzyrea well there's certainly a lot less joyful screeching from adults.
17:56 jcamins Especially since screaming adults are _always_ violent.
17:56 jcamins Though kids would be also irritate me to know end, I think I've come to the conclusion that screaming adults are worse.
17:54 wizzyrea though sometimes you just can't keep em quiet
17:54 wizzyrea parent fail
17:53 wizzyrea ah yea
17:53 nengard children with parents who didn't know how to raise children
17:53 nengard wizzyrea in my instance the monsters were children
17:52 jcamins Actually, it's been a lot better recently, knock on wood.
17:52 wizzyrea wow that's something
17:51 jcamins I don't know... I'm going to have to go with "monsters." People can't generally manage the sort of volume one encounters. ;)
17:51 wizzyrea shouty people
17:49 jcamins Or thin ceilings.
17:49 jcamins On the other side of thin walls, yes.
17:48 wizzyrea monsters?
17:45 jcamins The story of life in New York for the non-fabulously wealthy.
17:45 jcamins Ah, thin walls and monsters.
17:43 cait lol
17:42 nengard my old house was a twin with thin walls and monsters living on the other side of the wall
17:42 * nengard told druthb that this is one of the reasons i love my single home with big thinck walls all around
17:42 druthb naaah...just reminiscing.
17:41 wizzyrea oh no, more annoying children?
17:41 * druthb laughs evilly
17:41 wahanui thanks druthb :)
17:41 druthb wahanui: botsnack small annoying child, wrapped in duct tape
17:40 cait :)
17:40 nengard well yes it is :)
17:40 wahanui signed off is approval
17:40 nengard and signed off
17:40 nengard well it's fixed now :)
17:32 cait and wonder why I never wrote the patch to fix the missing space!
17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6260 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results
17:32 cait oleonard: about bug 6260: not sure about that now
17:19 cait yay xp
17:17 wizzyrea um yea
17:17 cait after that I learned to read the tables
17:17 wizzyrea argle bargle
17:17 cait before importing the datea
17:17 cait the first 2 times I updated 200 patrons manually because I forgot to set the message preferences on the categories...
17:17 wizzyrea you get exp for that :)
17:16 cait I have been there...
17:16 wizzyrea cait++
17:16 wizzyrea cait, you're a lifesaver
17:16 * cait is not guilty of that
17:16 wizzyrea ooo kay
17:16 wizzyrea yea that is more than a little insane
17:16 wizzyrea whoooooa
17:16 cait because I am not sure what happens when someon says don't knotify
17:16 wizzyrea it is
17:16 cait might be that you need to check the borrowernumber is in borrower_message_transport_preferences too
17:15 cait hm
17:15 wizzyrea AHA
17:15 cait and then you check borrower_message_preferences
17:15 * wizzyrea can't read
17:15 wizzyrea 5, actually
17:14 wizzyrea k, so 6 in this case
17:14 cait first you get the mesage attribute id from the table message_transports
17:14 wizzyrea :)
17:14 wizzyrea but i'll wait for a few :0
17:14 wizzyrea lunch. I like it
17:14 wizzyrea good call :P
17:14 jcamins I'm going to have lunch now. BRB
17:13 wizzyrea as an option
17:13 cait ok
17:13 wizzyrea to know how many patrons have the 'item check in' notice picked
17:13 cait the pk goes up very high very quickly
17:13 cait assigning new numbers all the time
17:13 cait jcamins: that's the thing that really bugs me too
17:13 wizzyrea I want to see the flags
17:13 cait I have some sql on my wiki...
17:13 jcamins Yes, I get that it's relational, but it's been normalized strangely and the way to modify the mappings is to *delete* the previous ones, and create new ones.
17:13 cait what do you wnat to do? if I may ask?
17:13 wizzyrea i just stepped in it didn't i
17:13 wizzyrea oh dear
17:12 cait wizzyrea: give me a sec
17:12 cait but sometimes relational to the last normalization form is not what is easy
17:12 cait you now it is relational
17:12 wizzyrea where is the data that is reflected by the tickboxes on the edit patron screen kept
17:12 cait ok, kind of
17:12 jcamins Very, I'd say.
17:12 jcamins A bit?
17:12 wizzyrea lawd, ok
17:12 cait it's a bit insane
17:11 cait in 3 tables
17:11 cait oh
17:11 wizzyrea where are the patron messaging preferences kept?
17:11 wizzyrea gmcharlt, quick q
17:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6260] Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6260>
17:05 * paul_p leaves, time to go back home
17:05 paul_p cait, OK, take the XP ;-)
17:03 jcamins Hm. I think Equinox had a transitory network glitch.
17:02 * jcamins thinks so.
17:01 cait so I get the xp? ;)
17:00 paul_p OK, forget my question, it was stupid ;-)
16:59 paul_p not the "reporter" part...
16:59 paul_p mmm... you may be right jcamins... seems i made a mistake. email_in is the server part of dealing with emails...
16:58 jcamins What does email_in.pl do, exactly?
16:58 jcamins paul_p: that's the instructions for sending e-mail to the Koha Bugzilla instance.
16:57 paul_p (I could write one by myself though, but if it's already done...)
16:57 paul_p cait, I don't think so cait: this is what is written on bugzilla doc page. What i'm looking for is the email_in.pl script
16:56 cait no I get xp, right? :P
16:56 cait or wiki... google++ :)
16:56 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bugzilla
16:55 cait I think
16:55 cait mail
16:55 paul_p (too many sources...)
16:55 paul_p was it a mail or wiki or IRC ?
16:55 paul_p cait, I remember something about that but can't find it
16:55 nengard it jsut seemed a bit confusing
16:55 nengard oleonard, i'm actually okay with it saying no items and on hold at the same time
16:54 cait :)
16:54 cait oleonard: let me read the bug
16:54 cait I think you can probably use git bz to open bugs too
16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6260 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing space in availability information of OPAC XSLT results
16:54 oleonard nengard and cait: Re: Bug 6260, why shouldn't we say "No copies available" when there are items with unavailable statuses?
16:53 cait paul: I think chris sent a mail about the feature when we moved bugzilla
16:53 nengard I was in there at the right time :)
16:53 nengard HA!
16:53 paul_p nengard, you're really quick reading mails ;-)
16:52 cait you are welcome
16:51 jcamins That's okay. Thanks for your help. :)
16:50 cait can't find something in the index and I am not familiar enough with it to guess where it might write about the sorting
16:50 cait my rak textbook doesn't help me much
16:50 cait ok
16:46 jcamins I'm probably going to use DIN 5007 Variant 2, because that seems the most logical, especially with old books.
16:46 cait I can at least try to find out for rak
16:46 cait I think there was a difference between sorting for pi (old rules, preussische instruktionen) and rak
16:46 cait jcamins: and decide what seems logical to you, I can also try to dig up the sort orders for cataloging
16:46 jcamins I can figure out what it says.
16:46 jcamins cait: thanks.
16:45 cait jcamins: i think you should google translate that part of wikipedia
16:45 wizzyrea but then again I don' t know what an identifier for that type of message would be as I've never seen one
16:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4893] Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4893>
16:45 wizzyrea I don't see that they are
16:45 wizzyrea or reflected in the messaging/notices tabs?
16:45 wizzyrea do any of you know -- are "item returned" check in messages kept in the message queue?
16:44 cait it says there are 4 different ways to do it :P
16:44 cait http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetische_Sortierung
16:43 nengard i can :) needed some brain power assistance apparently
16:43 jcamins nengard: why can't you do a group by biblionumber, then count(itemnumber)?
16:43 cait let me try to find a source
16:43 cait especially for card catalogs
16:43 cait I think I have seen this done differently
16:43 nengard is there a way to do a count of another select? basically I want to write a report that tells me how many items each title has - so it shows title and then a count of items
16:42 jcamins Yup.
16:42 jcamins I've always alphabetized it with oe.
16:42 cait you mean sorting for alphabetic order?
16:41 cait let me think about that
16:41 jcamins s/\./?/
16:41 cait hm
16:41 jcamins cait: how do you alphabetize o-with-an-umlaut.
16:40 cait thx jared and hi all
16:40 jcamins Welcome back, cait.
16:26 * jcamins should ask cait.
16:26 wizzyrea i can't say I've ever alphabetized anything with an umlaut
16:25 jcamins Does anyone other than me still alphabetize o with an umlaut in with the 'oe's?
16:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6681] When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links also get imported <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6681>
15:53 jcamins nengard: JabRef. There's also BibDesk. And I think Refbase may actually use BibTeX internally.
15:51 jcamins I don't know what it's called.
15:50 jcamins nengard: there are some graphical user interfaces to BibTeX, if you want to get an idea of what it does. There's even one written in Java.
15:49 kf bye all
15:47 jcamins BibTeX is pretty nifty.
15:46 oleonard ;)
15:46 oleonard Math is hard!
15:44 nengard that's why i don't know it - nicole does not know math :) hehe
15:44 nengard got it!
15:43 jcamins Heavily used in math-based fields, not so much anywhere else.
15:42 jcamins :)
15:42 jcamins It's the bibliography software that works with LaTeX. Called BibTeX.
15:41 nengard i also didn't know what bibtex was though
15:41 nengard repeating a complaint from a librarian :) hehe
15:41 nengard got it
15:41 jcamins That's the format you use when you use BibTeX. ;)
15:41 jcamins nengard: RIS could be labeled something like EndNote, but BibTeX is really just BibTeX.
15:39 rhcl The past few days haven't been _all_that_ hot.
15:38 rhcl There was a pretty violent storm south of KC yesterday apparently. But that doesn't explain the power being out way up in Savannah Missouri, where my branch is.
15:37 jcamins Heat?
15:37 jcamins Yikes.
15:37 rhcl I'll bet some of wizzyrea's librarys are w/o power? http://www.kcpl.com/kcmaps/frameset_menus.htm One of my branches is dead in the water, I better run up there and see what I can do.
15:37 rhcl 'cept I can't pronounce that one.
15:36 jcamins rhcl: it requires more explanation though.
15:35 rhcl Ohhh, that sounds good too....
15:34 jcamins rhcl: if you really want to impress people, talk about Old Occitan.
15:31 rhcl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic First two paragraphs are all I'd need to know.
15:31 rhcl I really need to think of some way to slip "Old Church Slavonic" into my conversation occasionally so people will think I'm like, really smart.
15:25 jcamins I don't know.
15:25 kf what is required to be one?
15:24 jcamins Fellow of the Royal Society, Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries.
15:24 kf FRS, FSA?
15:23 kf extra cookies for moving to germany
15:23 kf moving_to_europe++ ;)
15:22 jcamins What can I say? I'm like a magnet for useless knowledge.
15:22 rhcl And I do consider myself fairly well exposed, albeit a dated exposure, to arcane tidbits of literature and history.
15:20 * jcamins would love to be FRS, FSA. :)
15:20 rhcl Old Church Slavonic? Old Church Slavonic? Who ever heard of such a thing? And I could go back through your posts and pull out equally esoteric things relating to language, literature and history.
15:19 jcamins rhcl: not yet. ;) Why do you get that impression, though?
15:18 rhcl sometimes I get the impression jcamins must have impressive literary post-nominals.
15:07 jcamins kf: hm. I should move to Europe. :D
15:06 kf jcamins: no lag for me
15:05 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, it wasn't until a couple weeks ago that I took up edsu' mantle for that module
15:04 jcamins Has anyone else been getting a lot of lag from OFTC in the last few days?
15:04 jcamins That's been bugging me for ages, but I didn't realize you were the person to report it to.
15:04 jcamins gmcharlt++
15:04 jcamins Woohoo!
15:02 gmcharlt jcamins: yep - the fix is already in MARC::Charset's Git, and I'll be cutting 1.34 once I fix the other pending bug
15:01 jcamins Ooh, so are you going to be fixing MARC::Charset to work with the double ligature, rather than the half ligatures?
14:58 gmcharlt yay!
14:58 jcamins So, there are never more than two characters under a ligature.
14:57 jcamins Ooh! Good news! They don't even use that iie ligature thing in the current tables!
14:57 * jcamins consults the transliteration tables.
14:56 gmcharlt thanks
14:56 jcamins I'm not even sure there are.
14:56 jcamins No, I've never encountered a record in OCS.
14:55 gmcharlt jcamins: would you happen to have any MARC records that have Old Church Slavonic vernacular?
14:55 jcamins So, not in Russian.
14:55 jcamins gmcharlt: wait, that's Old Church Slavonic.
14:55 gmcharlt jcamins: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=38912 is why I ask
14:55 kf jcamins: that sounds like something useful :) i
14:54 jcamins Yes it does.
14:54 jcamins gmcharlt: Good morning.
14:54 jcamins If I have a chance, maybe I'll write a cataloging plugin that will do that.
14:54 gmcharlt jcamins: question about transliterated russian - does a ligature ever span more than two characters?
14:54 gmcharlt good morning
14:53 jcamins Darn.
14:53 kf not sure how unimarc handles it
14:53 kf jcamins: I think for marc21 it's not possible, but might be wrong
14:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6198 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Use 001 (not biblionumber) as record identifier for OAI-PMH
14:52 magnus_afk jcamins: not sure if comments on bug 6198 are relevant?
14:50 jcamins (short of remapping the biblionumber)
14:50 jcamins Does anyone know of a way to force the 001 field to contain the biblionumber?
14:46 magnus_afk srdjan++ # the packages rock!
14:46 * magnus_afk agrees with jcamins, wholeheartedly!
14:44 * oleonard doesn't have those either
14:44 oleonard What are UNIVERSAL::require and Net::Server used for?
14:42 jcamins larsw++ # he did the original work on making Debian packages
14:41 jcamins eythian++ # the packages rock!
14:40 oleonard Oh wait, missing dependency.
14:40 rhcl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Chicago_Died
14:39 * oleonard doesn't see is own avatar in his test system
14:39 oleonard The questions on the list have got me thinking about the ShowReviewerPhoto preference. Is that working for anyone else?
14:39 rhcl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-L0NpaErkk
14:34 jcamins I haven't heard that song, but based on the title, probably.
14:33 rhcl Kinda like Chicago and "The Night Chicago Died" ????
14:32 jcamins (for those of you who don't know, West End Avenue is not a song that makes you think "gee, New York, what a great place to live!")
14:29 jcamins Today I'm working at a client on Riverside Drive, which means I have to cross West End Avenue to get here from the subway. Naturally I have West End Avenue from Stephen Schwartz's Magic Show (I think that's the name of the show) stuck in my head.
14:28 oleonard http://news.yahoo.com/50-states-see-record-highs-july-173203227.html
14:28 oleonard "All 50 states saw record high temperatures in July"
14:28 jcamins druthb: I'd love to!
14:27 druthb jcamins: oughta get away from all that pavement and concrete....I had to shut off my box fan in the middle of the night here last night...got *cold*
14:26 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6674] Collapse display of patron address by default <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6674>
14:26 druthb much of the US has been WAY hotter than usual. While I was in Philadelphia, they had several record-hot days
14:25 paul_p crazy planet (and crazy human probably...)
14:25 jcamins paul_p: lucky. We haven't switched off the a/c since June.
14:24 paul_p druthb, 3x days over 37°C ? wow !!! unbelievable... just to let you know: we probably have the coldest summer we've ever seen since years in Marseille. We switched on conditionned-air only 5 or 6 days until now...
14:24 jcamins Actually, I try to keep one week of dailies, eight weeks of weeklies, and a year of monthlies.
14:24 rhcl No, we got lots of space.
14:23 jcamins rhcl: me, I keep about two weeks. But if you're asking, I assume you're desperate for space. No matter how desperate I was, I would never keep less than several days worth of backups.
14:23 oleonard Thanks
14:23 paul_p oleonard, yep, just seen the mail. will answer soon
14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6674 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Collapse display of patron address by default
14:22 oleonard paul_p: I CC'ed you on Bug 6674 because I was hoping to get your comments
14:22 druthb I usually set things up for a week.
14:22 rhcl two days? I was thinking two weeks.
14:21 jcamins rhcl: at least a couple.
14:21 rhcl how many days worth of database backups is recommended to keep?
14:21 druthb we're actually in Bird-In-Hand, but there's no weather station there.
14:21 druthb hee hee hee
14:20 * oleonard does a double-take on druthb's @wunder location
14:20 magnuse 2xouch!
14:20 druthb pssh. that's nothing. Dallas has had thirty-some days over over 37C weather---in a row!
14:19 magnuse ouch...
14:19 druthb magnuse: we're expecting a high of 31C here today.
14:19 druthb hi, jcamins.
14:17 jcamins_away Good morning, #koha
14:17 druthb to you, it would, I s'pose, magnus. But I'm outside now, and it's very comfortable.
14:16 magnuse 28C sounds really hot...
14:15 druthb it doesn't *feel* 28. Gorgeous day here.
14:15 huginn druthb: The current temperature in http://www.nhpaweather.com, New Holland, Pennsylvania is 28.6�C (10:15 AM EDT on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Steady).
14:15 druthb @wunder intercourse, PA
14:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (3:50 PM CEST on August 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
14:14 magnuse @wunder boo
14:13 kf welcome
14:13 gbengaadara Hanging out today on IRC
14:09 gbengaadara Fine
14:07 magnuse hiya gbengaadara
14:05 gbengaadara Hello, this is Olugbenga Adara
13:00 magnuse facets...
13:00 magnuse yeah, that is quite a nice feature!
13:00 kf and calories...
12:59 kf and you can drill down by cook time and ingredients!
12:59 kf there is a recipe link in google
12:59 kf cool
12:59 kf oleonard: but thx :)
12:58 kf yum
12:58 kf yeah... now I crave blackberries
12:58 druthb kfsnack fresh blackberries
12:58 oleonard Mean?
12:58 druthb We got some at the farm stand Saturday...yummy
12:58 kf mean!
12:57 oleonard http://www.google.com/search?q=blackberries&hl=en&prmd=ivnsue&tbm=isch
12:55 kf fresh blackberries?
12:27 wahanui thanks druthb :)
12:27 druthb wahanui: botsnack fresh blackberries
12:26 wahanui :)
12:26 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
12:25 druthb hi, paul_p!
12:24 kf ;)
12:24 kf paul_p botsnack cookie
12:24 kf lol
12:23 wahanui paul_p: excuse me?
12:23 paul_p wahanui, nevermind, you're too brilliant...
12:23 NateC Hi paul_p!
12:23 wahanui paul_p: i'm not following you...
12:23 paul_p wahanui, I just want to se your brilliant thoughts
12:23 wahanui what's up, paul_p
12:23 paul_p hi wahanui
12:23 paul_p (I mean hi, of course)
12:23 paul_p ni NateC & druthb & wahanui
12:04 kf hi NateC :)
12:03 druthb lol
12:03 wahanui you are currently convincing the amish that they need to web 2.0 or quite brilliant
12:03 druthb druthb?
12:03 * druthb fears....but...
12:02 druthb lol
12:02 wahanui somebody said cait was kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
12:02 druthb cait?
12:02 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet.
12:02 druthb kf?
12:02 NateC HA! Morning kf
12:02 wahanui I LIKE SPACE!
12:02 kf NateC?
11:58 oleonard Hi
11:58 kf :)
11:58 kf hi oleonard
11:52 druthb o/
11:48 kf yum
10:21 kf :)
10:20 rangi i hope someone tests those commits and signs off soon :)
10:10 magnuse eythian: yeah, i know... ;-)
10:10 eythian from about as far away in the world as it's possible to get.
10:09 eythian magnuse: well, you're going to be pulling down all of Koha's history again.
10:08 magnuse heh
10:08 rangi but that was just an observation, more than anything useful
10:08 magnuse ah, ok, sorry
10:07 rangi just your request has the head at the 5660 push
10:07 rangi theres no conflict
10:07 magnuse hm, i don't see a conflict...
10:07 rangi that request is fine though, it will still merge
10:06 rangi yup, pushed to master this morning, you might wanna do a git pull (or fetch/rebase)
10:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6534 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Duplicate opac renew buttons at the top of the checkouts list
10:05 magnuse hm, bug 6534?
10:04 rangi cept i pushed 6534 since then, but thats ok, it'll still merge fine
10:04 magnuse and that's good enough for me! ;-)
10:03 rangi looks good to me
10:03 magnuse that looks about right, i think: http://paste.koha-community.org/4
09:57 magnuse will do ;-)
09:57 rangi cant remember, try it and see :)
09:57 magnuse should the url be for the repo or the branch?
09:56 * magnuse is a little slow today, much like the cloning from the catalyst git repo ;-)
09:56 rangi yeah
09:56 rangi then the url is of the repo to pull from
09:56 magnuse ah, the branch i'm on is significant, of course
09:56 rangi so thats origin/master (or kc/master or whatever you called the master branch of koha-community)
09:55 magnuse where <start> = Commit to start at.
09:55 rangi yep
09:55 magnuse git request-pull [-p] <start> <url> [<end>]
09:55 magnuse http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-request-pull.html
09:54 rangi second one is pulling it from
09:54 rangi thats the one you want to pull it into
09:52 magnuse hm, how do i tell which branch to use? replace origin/master?
09:51 magnuse definitely ;-)
09:51 rangi try it piped to a file first, make sure it looks ok, then do it piped to mailx :)
09:50 magnuse ah way cool!
09:50 rangi instead of my git repo, you would use github of course ;)
09:50 rangi http://galencharlton.com/blog/2009/08/koha-git-mini-tutorial-pulling-from-remote-repostories/#comments
09:49 magnuse ah, i didn't think about doing it from git, just from github...
09:48 rangi 2 secs
09:48 rangi or you can use git to do it
09:48 rangi you can either just send a mail with the subject line request to pull
09:48 rangi yes
09:48 magnuse anyone know how to get a "request to pull" from github to the koha-patches list? i'm pretty sure i have done it before...
09:12 rangi hi kf
09:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6679] Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679>
08:47 kf and evening rangi :)
08:47 kf ;)
08:47 kf vacation - again?
08:38 * paul_p feel unlucky too :D
08:38 magnuse nah, not really
08:38 * magnuse feels sorry for paul_p ;-)
08:38 paul_p ( just for those curious, I go here : http://www.saint-avit-loisirs.com/en/rubrique/Saint%20Avit%20Loisirs/c1f67db90e19525298490326a9a68b55/ )
08:37 paul_p rangi, just FYI= at the end of the week, it's holiday (2 weeks AFK) for me
08:36 paul_p rangi, OK
08:36 paul_p mtj, iirc, we spoke a something like a matrix to keep track of what has been done in updatedatabase, but that would mean huge changes in how we deal with updates, and until now, no-one started to do anything about that. Maybe for 4.0, but that will require a lot of coordination/preparation
08:36 rangi read it and answer
08:35 paul_p you wanted to do what ?
08:34 rangi yep, havent had any time to do anything about it
08:34 paul_p (hello rangi)
08:34 paul_p rangi, have you seen my comment/question on #5786 ?
08:34 paul_p rangi++ => we can't use this for updatedatabase because order matters.
08:14 * magnuse was just thinking that
08:14 rangi because often order does matter
08:13 rangi its harder with updatedatabase.pl
08:13 rangi not so much
08:03 mtj but the problem (and solution) is the same
08:03 mtj well, i was thinking about separate updatedatabase.pl f iles
08:03 kf hehe - I give up :)
08:02 mtj 'why not put all (new) syspref in a syspref directory'
08:02 magnuse great minds think alike, eh?
08:02 mtj i was thinking something similar, this weekend too
08:02 paul_p mtj, ???
08:02 mtj paul_p++
07:56 kf have to think about it
07:56 kf just feels wrong somehow to me
07:56 magnuse paul_p: great!
07:56 kf I agree that there is no good argument against
07:56 paul_p but well, magnuse what you've made is already a good improvement i'll try to test today
07:54 paul_p (we could also have a file per module (opac.sql / cataloguing.sql / ...) or whatever look handy
07:54 paul_p foreach (sysprefs/*.sql) { mysql koha <sql-file) } would work for any size = 1 syspref per file or 300 !
07:53 kf if you are searching for something in that directory it coudl get hard
07:53 paul_p We could also have a large syspref.sql done by the RM just before each release.
07:52 magnuse about 300 at the moment, if there was one per syspref
07:52 kf all having the licence stuff ahead and a little bit of text somewhere
07:52 paul_p kf, about the "slowness" that's really a little
07:52 kf lots and lots of files
07:52 magnuse hm, why would it be a hassle?
07:51 kf I am not sure the hassle of having a lot of files is worth the gain
07:49 magnuse well it sounds good to me - anything that makes development easier...
07:48 kf true
07:47 magnuse if so any deterioration in speed would only affect the installer
07:47 magnuse the files would be sql?
07:46 kf perhaps slower too?
07:46 kf but harder to get a complete list or reload the database
07:45 paul_p why not put all (new) syspref in a syspref directory, to have a separate file for each. atm, each time a syspref is added, other patches also adding a syspref have a rebase that fails due to the change commited. With a separate file for each, this problem disappear, it's easier for developers to add a new patch !
07:43 paul_p during the week end I had another idea about that :
07:43 kf magnuse++
07:43 paul_p yep, i've seen.
07:43 paul_p hi magnuse
07:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer
07:43 magnuse kia ora paul_p - i hope bug 6537 is ready for signoff now...
07:22 magnuse bonjour biblibre
07:16 kf back
07:15 wahanui hello, clrh
07:15 clrh hi
07:14 julian hello #koha
06:54 magnuse that's the spirit! ;-)
06:53 eythian Of course I can, I don't have a choice ;)
06:52 magnuse good luck! you can do it!
06:52 magnuse heh
06:52 eythian hehe
06:52 eythian seriously, my typing today is broken
06:52 eythian *ready
06:52 * eythian is preparing for a long night, this all has to be reading tomorrow morning (so, before I leave.)
06:51 magnuse i really need to put in some hours on something else first, but i might not be able to keep myself from it...
06:51 eythian sure thing
06:51 eythian Srdjan wanted me to have a look, but I suggested he let you have a look, given I won't have time for a while.
06:51 magnuse i'll try and get the time to give the branch a spin later today and see what i find, and report back
06:50 magnuse ok, cool
06:50 eythian I have no idea, I'm in the last stages of a migration, and so haven't had time to look at it at all
06:50 magnuse eythian: do you think there is much work to do before the trnalsations can be generalized into a loop sort of thing?
06:49 * magnuse wouldn't think that was what cait was doing...
06:49 eythian heh
06:49 cait only wondering if I will get there one day ;)
06:48 eythian cya :)
06:48 eythian are you ugh'ing at my code :(
06:48 cait bye
06:48 cait ok, time to run to work
06:48 cait ugh
06:45 eythian (although that's my code, and I don't follow the religion too closely)
06:45 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/waitaki_borrowers.pl;h=556576dd66fcd988dda1395c70ffa0378d2727f4;hb=refs/heads/waitaki_import <-- e.g. the whole dispatch thing in this code
06:43 eythian well, for example, if you do dynamic programming kinda stuff, you end up minimising your use a lot. Subs are put into hashtables for lookup as needed and so forth. I find myself doing that a lot.
06:43 mtj what's his better alternative?
06:43 cait lol
06:43 mtj gosh, i am a little curious about the 'if' thing.....?!?!
06:42 magnuse yeah, that sounds like cheating...
06:42 eythian I think it's more that your program should be designed such that it doesn't require it.
06:42 eythian I don't think so, that's more or less the same thing
06:42 mtj eythian: hes an UNLESS kinda guy?
06:41 eythian heh
06:41 * magnuse chuckles
06:41 mtj 'Care And O peration Of Your Srdjan'
06:41 eythian which makes his code an interesting read.
06:41 eythian he's morally opposed to it.
06:41 cait ?
06:41 magnuse hehe?
06:40 eythian I dare you to ask him about using 'if' in Perl code one day.
06:40 magnuse srdjan++
06:40 magnuse sounds nice!
06:40 eythian I have a Srdjan that I can delegate such work to, it's pretty handy :)
06:40 magnuse difinitli!
06:39 cait catalyst++ then :)
06:39 magnuse spot on!
06:39 eythian *discussing.
06:39 eythian We've been discussion putting translations into packages, I guess that's what he's referring to. And now magnuse has been given work to have a look at and test.
06:38 cait hm?
06:34 magnuse catalyst++
06:23 magnuse hiya cait, alex_a, Oak
06:23 Oak bonjour alex_a :)
06:23 cait bonjour alex_a
06:23 cait morning magnus :)
06:23 cait hehe
06:23 magnuse yeah!
06:22 mtj now thats funny :p
06:22 magnuse :-)
06:22 mtj Care And Operation Of Your Linus Torvalds'
06:22 mtj or
06:22 wahanui hola, alex_a
06:22 alex_a bonjour
06:22 mtj 'How to Get Your Change Into the Linux Kernel
06:22 magnuse o/
06:21 magnuse hiya mtj
06:20 mtj yo magnuse
06:20 mtj http://head.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the
06:20 magnuse yay!
06:20 mtj my little 'stars' thingy is nearly ready for 3.6 submitting....
06:20 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:08 cait interesting link mtj
06:08 cait Oak
06:08 Oak cait
06:07 cait hi mtj :)
06:02 mtj http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/SubmittingPatches;h=4468ce24427cb011e7991d8f1ae2560764b170b8;hb=HEAD
06:02 wahanui interesting is good
06:02 mtj interesting...
06:01 mtj heya cait
05:37 cait hi 'koha
04:40 Oak ah, :) and you offered to cook. what did you make?
04:39 BrookeenTauride it was pathetic. He'd start circling at sunsetish, and was looking for McDonalds. That could not stand.
04:39 * BrookeenTauride cooked for a friend for Ramadan once.
04:39 Oak yup
04:39 BrookeenTauride Indeed!
04:37 Oak going fine it :) it's the month of Ramadan
04:37 BrookeenTauride how goes it?
04:35 Oak :]
04:34 BrookeenTauride hey hey LD
04:33 Oak Hello #koha
04:33 Oak Hello BrookeenTauride :)
03:05 * BrookeenTauride feels hearted.
03:04 wizzyrea hey there
03:04 BrookeenTauride :)
03:04 rangi hi BrookeenTauride
03:04 BrookeenTauride kia ora!
01:58 huginn rangi: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010)
01:58 rangi @quote random
01:58 wizzyrea gurg
01:57 rangi http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-average-duration-of-unemployment-2011-8
01:57 rangi speaking of
01:57 rangi heh
01:56 wizzyrea lolwut
01:54 huginn rangi: Quote #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the world .... oh good, that makes me feel better. it's just the govt" (added by jdavidb at 01:56 PM, September 09, 2009)
01:54 rangi @quote random
00:36 Judit :D
00:36 jcamins_away :D
00:36 * jcamins_away considers taking credit for that.
00:36 Judit :)
00:36 Judit i guess
00:36 Judit thank you
00:36 Judit i almost asked something very stupid, but just typing it in helped
00:30 Judit good morning