Time Nick Message
23:53 eythian ah, ta
23:53 rangi git commit --amend -s
23:53 wahanui i heard other way around was more readable as far as the intent of the clause
23:53 eythian other way around
23:53 eythian err
23:53 eythian Alternately, is there a way to mark a patch that's been signed off on committable?
23:53 rangi and a -s and -3 switches
23:53 rangi with his python skills
23:53 eythian yeah.
23:53 rangi we should get bug to add that
23:53 rangi not yet
23:52 eythian rangi: can you tell git bz that you're applying a patch with the intent to sign off on it?
22:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6613 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , csv basket export columns misaligned
22:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order
22:47 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6613: CSV basket export columns misaligned
22:47 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6612 - Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order
22:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #332: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/332/
22:36 Irma back soon :-)
22:36 Irma Wishing you a good day all
22:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6611] patron barcode removed when editing an attribute <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611>
22:35 Irma We are so busy!
22:35 Irma Perhaps even more than coming back to work next Wednesday/Thursday :-)
22:34 rangi yup
22:34 Irma that is great!
22:34 Irma wow
22:34 Space_Librarian I think she'll enjoy the visit.
22:34 rangi 45 people coming to the user group meeting now Irma
22:34 Space_Librarian Our pleasure.
22:33 Irma Thanks for welcoming her
22:33 Irma I am pleased Judit will meet you both in W'ton on Monday
22:32 Irma Sydney Harbour looks quite full!
22:32 Space_Librarian I heard there was a bit of a downpour yesterday.
22:32 Space_Librarian still raining in Sydney?
22:32 Irma It's still raining and raining
22:32 Irma wet jour Space_Librarian
22:32 Irma Hi there rangi
22:31 Space_Librarian bon jour Irma
22:31 rangi hi Irma
22:25 rangi wizzyrea: you about?
22:15 cait hm
22:14 rangi k, patch on its way
22:11 rangi (but wasnt caused by a template change, was caused by the fact we are now allowed to make cardnumber not mandatory)
22:11 rangi its fixable with a template change, doing so now
22:09 rangi cardnumber` varchar(16) DEFAULT NULL,
22:09 * cait holds up her plate
22:09 cait mmm
22:08 jcamins_away Actually, pasta salad.
22:08 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
22:08 cait cookies?
22:08 jcamins Good night, #koha
22:08 jcamins Oh, right. Me.
22:08 cait yes me - and tired
22:08 jcamins cheesesticks? fruit basket? Is someone hungry?
22:08 cait sounds ouch
22:08 rangi because now the db allows that
22:07 rangi which cheerfully replaces the cardnumber with null
22:07 rangi then later it just calls &ModMember(%newdata)
22:06 rangi now in that form, the cardnumber isnt passed, so its undef all ready
22:05 rangi $newdata{'cardnumber'} = undef if $newdata{'cardnumber'} =~ /^\s*$/;
22:05 francharb good night all
22:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 332 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:04 rangi dont think it is TT
22:02 rangi can def replicate here too, k
22:02 rangi wow thats an odd one
22:01 rangi ill try to get a patch out for you to sign off shortly
22:01 rangi just upgrading my test db
22:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6613: CSV basket export columns misaligned <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c414c11d64d2071b3b8ee597807ddd939de0c6ed> / Fix for Bug 6612 - Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0699c8af84f7e3c13c0a48197b581a5375f4f039>
21:58 wizzyrea ah
21:57 rangi no that has been removed
21:57 wizzyrea I thought they were supposed to be unique?
21:57 wizzyrea it also seems to accept a space as a patron barcode, for multiple patrons.
21:55 rangi k, ill look now
21:55 wizzyrea I just did
21:55 wizzyrea yes
21:55 rangi you can recreate wizzy?
21:55 libsysguy gotcha
21:55 rangi its up to you
21:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute
21:55 wizzyrea whoa bug 6611 is a big effin deal
21:55 rangi or git rebase cheesesticks
21:55 rangi it might be origin/fruitbasket
21:55 libsysguy oh...
21:54 rangi it could be origin/master
21:54 rangi libsysguy: its git rebase whatever branch you want to rebase on
21:54 libsysguy so the / matters
21:54 jcamins libsysguy: git rebase origin/master
21:54 rangi jcamins: i call that a feature ;)
21:54 jcamins rangi: ikiwiki does have a dark side, though... once you start using it, you'll never be able to go back to anything else.
21:54 libsysguy anyway...when you do a rebase...is it git rebase origin or git rebase master
21:53 rangi heh
21:53 libsysguy maybe I should change my name to gitquestionguy
21:53 libsysguy I have another git question
21:48 cait rangi: aha!
21:44 liw rangi, heh :)
21:42 rangi hdl: excellent thanks ;)
21:42 hdl hi rangi. Just answered that.
21:41 rangi another cool thing about branchable.com is by paying for it, you give liw money, which gives him time to create more cool software .. its win-win
21:40 cait hi liw
21:40 rangi heya liw :)
21:39 * liw waves
21:38 rangi you can even clone it, and send me patches or, give me your ssh key, and you can update it yourself :)
21:38 rangi cait: http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ikiwiki.cgi?do=branchable
21:33 cait :)
21:32 rangi i just edit it locally and git push, and shazam
21:31 rangi emacs + ikiwiki make doing that fast
21:30 cait rangi++
21:30 cait wow :)
21:29 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ <--cait
21:25 sekjal got to run. have a good night, #koha!
21:24 jcamins cait: http://xkcd.com/208/
21:24 cait links would be nice, but don't worry about it
21:23 rangi and ill make those all links
21:23 rangi give me 20 mins
21:23 rangi cait
21:23 rangi heh
21:22 jcamins Ooh, I do have something in 3.6! :D
21:22 * cait had hoped for something easier to process at this time of the night :P
21:21 cait bug numbers - yay ;)
21:20 rangi theres the bug numbers there
21:19 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
21:19 rangi yeah
21:19 cait ?
21:19 cait do you have a list of the new features you mention`
21:19 jcamins I wonder if I was one of those 64 people.
21:18 Space_Librarian o/
21:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6484 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due date sorter on 'my summary' missing
21:17 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing
21:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #331: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/331/
21:17 rangi yup yup
21:15 nengard 64 people in 3 months is awesome too
21:13 rangi crazy right
21:13 cait halfway - wow
21:08 rangi and good evening :)
21:07 rangi hdl: did you see the email from Sébastien at lyon about drupal and koha?
21:06 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/07/21/halfway-to-3-6-0-and-a-brief-explanation-of-the-release-process/ <-- how many typos did i make, im guessing 4
21:03 jcamins If you couldn't find it by searching for jcamins and 505, though, I probably never actually wrote it.
20:59 jcamins nengard: unfortunately, no.
20:54 nengard so i could search for it?
20:54 nengard jcamins do you know what bug it was attached to?
20:52 jcamins This would be from a while ago.
20:51 jcamins nengard: hm, in that case, I didn't write one, I just thought about it.
20:51 nengard i don't think i have one waiting for sign off in my email
20:51 nengard jcamins regarding the 505 patch
20:46 cait stupid mouse
20:44 nengard heh
20:44 cait stubborn sounds like brooke :)
20:41 nengard stubborn
20:41 nengard stubbor brooke still thinks she's right
20:41 wizzyrea and his kids are *fast*
20:41 wizzyrea seems likely he chases 2 kids under 5 most of the time.
20:41 cait ... and I am gonna stop brooke from running after him
20:41 nengard brooke says you think you can outrun her
20:40 cait I think he can
20:40 rangi i can outrun her
20:40 nengard rangi
20:40 nengard and brooke says she'll sit on you
20:40 nengard i started typing
20:40 cait yep, you said _you_ would need morphine
20:40 nengard the logs don't know when is tarted typing
20:40 rangi the logs don't lie
20:40 nengard I meant the laying still bit
20:40 rangi hehe
20:40 nengard and you know it
20:40 nengard that's not what i meant!!
20:39 cait hehe
20:39 rangi caits singing isnt that bad nengard!!!
20:39 nengard but once she can sit up she'll be up ot it
20:39 wizzyrea ^^
20:39 nengard I would need morphine to deal with that
20:39 cait promise her I will sing :)
20:39 nengard has to lay flat
20:39 nengard she's not allowed to move right now :(
20:39 wizzyrea when she's feeling up to it
20:39 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=203de2452e2e8358a74b35a54d349d72382b5b3f>
20:39 nengard hehe
20:39 wizzyrea some day soon we'll do a g+ hangout with her :)
20:38 * wizzyrea feels soothed
20:38 cait purr purr purr
20:38 cait happy kitty sleepy kitty
20:38 cait soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur
20:38 cait I think the situation qualifies
20:38 cait oh
20:37 nengard druthb asks cait to sing soft kitty
20:37 nengard she's all smiles over here
20:37 rangi hehe
20:37 cait nengard: more hugs from me!
20:37 wizzyrea and more hugs (but not if they hurt)
20:36 rangi :)
20:36 nengard both have been passed on :)
20:35 jcamins A hug from me as well.
20:35 rangi just a hug from me
20:35 nengard anyone want me to pass on a message?
20:35 nengard at the hospital with druthb
20:35 nengard hiya
20:35 wahanui i heard nengard was fast
20:35 rangi heya nengard
20:34 jenkins_koha Starting build 331 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:28 cait rangi: thx :)
20:28 cait :)
20:28 rangi wb cait
20:16 rangi cait: http://grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Koha+Hacking/8190140
20:15 rangi back
20:03 oleonard Be back after 16 hours
20:00 rangi Be back after coffee
19:59 wizzyrea i should say, people are fickle.
19:58 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:58 wizzyrea @quote get 123
19:58 wizzyrea never mind. librarians are fickle.
19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: "it might be nice to click through that message" ?
19:57 rangi heh
19:56 wizzyrea they ought to be careful what they wish for
19:56 wizzyrea rangi screaming "incoming" might be just the ticket
19:56 wizzyrea you know the librarians *were* asking for an additional sound cue there.
19:55 rangi and that is why im banned from interface design
19:54 wizzyrea that really did make me laugh
19:54 wizzyrea LOL
19:54 rangi then a voice just screams "incoming" and everyone ducks and rolls
19:54 wizzyrea (aside, it might be nice to click through that message
19:53 wizzyrea what happens if it's just a transit home with no hold?
19:53 wizzyrea that makes perfect sense, and sharon agrees that your approach is just great
19:52 wizzyrea and also explains the message
19:52 wizzyrea excellent that's a great explanation
19:52 oleonard The ignore button in the other message is to let you *not* allocate that copy to that person if you don't want to
19:51 oleonard It item is already allocated for a patron, so there's not really anything an 'ignore' button could do
19:51 wizzyrea sharon was wondering why there was no ignore. But that's another issue.
19:51 wizzyrea right.
19:50 oleonard wizzyrea: In the example you ask about there's just the confirm and print/confirm buttons. No ignore. So you would have to choose one of those options to proceed.
19:49 rhcl Kelly likes the ignore button.
19:49 wizzyrea *nod*
19:49 rangi awake and ok is good
19:49 rangi cool
19:49 rangi yup thats the last I saw too
19:49 wizzyrea http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/
19:48 wizzyrea but mostly that said "she's ok and was awake"
19:48 wizzyrea there was a post from lindsey this morning
19:48 rangi heard anything more about ruth?
19:47 rangi cait: ill find the playlist when I get to work
19:47 oleonard You're right rangi
19:47 cait checking your screenshots :)
19:47 rangi it shouldn't be waiting at that point, should get marked waiting when checked in, if the librarian wants it to be marked waiting
19:46 cait oleonard: I like the new table sorter thing :)
19:45 wizzyrea to fill a hold
19:45 wizzyrea ex: lib A book in transit to lib B, what does it look like when that gets checked in
19:44 wizzyrea I mean something that is in transit to your branch to fill a hold
19:44 rangi much better than the other way round
19:44 oleonard You mean something which is already marked as waiting but is coming from another branch wizzyrea ?
19:44 rangi those are the best kind of bugs
19:43 wizzyrea writing this bug may be a bigger pita than you fixing it lol ;)
19:43 wizzyrea oleonard++ that's good. What does it look like when it's an incoming transfer?
19:40 oleonard Quick demo: http://screencast.com/t/299TjpzAd8ss (minus any focus-handling)
19:40 wizzyrea holds with incoming transits 1. don't show the ignore button 2. simply scanning the book completes the transfer, but 3. if you just hit enter, it's like you clicked ignore but 4. the status is wrong (screencap to come)
19:38 wizzyrea now that i've looked at it closely
19:38 wizzyrea I think that there are actually 2 different things going on here
19:26 wizzyrea s/hold/hole
19:26 wizzyrea we just sent you down the rabbit hold didn't we
19:25 wizzyrea imo
19:25 wizzyrea i think that one's purely informational
19:25 oleonard Okay, here's a tricky one. Should some error messages require confirmation as well? "No item with that barcode," for instance?
19:23 wizzyrea k
19:23 wizzyrea :)
19:23 oleonard Mark it as assigned to me unless someone else wants to wrastle me for it
19:22 * wizzyrea will file the bug
19:22 * oleonard starts tinkering
19:21 wizzyrea and if someone wants it different, they can do that with jquery. It's one of the reasons koha is so flexible
19:21 wizzyrea as should ignore
19:21 wizzyrea print/confirm should be an explicit decision
19:21 wizzyrea confirm as default focus
19:21 oleonard Make what behavior default?
19:20 wizzyrea if necessary
19:20 wizzyrea and we can jquery our way out of it
19:20 wizzyrea i think make the behavior default
19:20 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:20 wizzyrea @quote get 123
19:20 sekjal we'll go crazy
19:20 sekjal we can't always code to @quote123
19:19 rhcl exactly
19:19 wizzyrea it should work both ways anyway
19:18 oleonard Ain't no one gonna get into reprogramming their barcode reader for this
19:18 wizzyrea ^^ seems like a less expansive, and perhaps better solution
19:17 sekjal or else a bit of JQuery people could add to change default focus to "cancel", for those few folks who'd want to do that
19:17 rhcl yea, but for programming you can't presume either
19:17 wizzyrea and prefer it that way
19:17 wizzyrea all of our libraries send a CR
19:17 wizzyrea right, but you want it in most cases
19:17 rhcl reading the irc from back then...just a followup note, barcode readers can be programmed to either send a carriage return or not
19:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move common table pager markup to include
19:16 oleonard Bug 6616 will help me do something like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/NOVJ0sIwzx
19:16 wizzyrea seems silly to have to have a syspref for it, but I suppose it should probably be so yea
19:16 wizzyrea (leave the barcode box alone)
19:15 wizzyrea with no buttons
19:15 wizzyrea and we'd need to make sure to address the situation where it's just a transit message
19:15 sekjal syspref to choose focus on confirm/cancel?
19:15 wizzyrea hide the barcode field and focus one of the buttons (probably confirm?)
19:15 oleonard That disabled barcode field is an itch I've been meaning to scratch.
19:15 wizzyrea oleonard: I like that
19:13 wizzyrea though people are often inconsistent.
19:13 wizzyrea the software is wrong, not the people >.>
19:13 wizzyrea oh and regarding user behavior
19:12 * oleonard doesn't like the disabled barcode field in circ, thinks it should either work or not be there
19:12 oleonard I think I still vote for hiding the barcode field and display only the confirmation message
19:09 sekjal and yes, oleonard, different subject, I think
19:08 wizzyrea oh yea, late night
19:08 sekjal just re-read wizzyrea's original issue
19:08 sekjal ah
19:08 sekjal http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-04-26#i_654179
19:07 rhcl ah, ok
19:07 rhcl unless clicked? Pressing Y and N doesn't do anything, despite the impression it should.
19:07 oleonard I remember that discussion. I consider that to be a different subject.
19:07 rhcl I think I was part of that discussion. Is that where the "y" and "n" don't do anything?
19:06 sekjal trying to find link.. on moment
19:04 wizzyrea >.> because I'm totally not remembering this
19:04 wizzyrea ... was I involved?
19:04 sekjal oleonard: yes
19:04 oleonard sekjal: On irc?
19:01 rhcl wonder if there are any Koha security topics I could present on?????
19:01 rhcl http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/35094907/BSidesMo
19:00 rhcl Security B-Sides started as a free alternative to some major security conferences (Black hat, RSA, etc.). These events are smaller and FREE!
19:00 rhcl wizzyrea: wanna come to a party? I can invite you (in fact, I can invite everybody).
18:59 sekjal hey, cait
18:59 cait hi #koha
18:59 sekjal wizzyrea: I recall a great discussion about this issue some weeks/months ago
18:54 oleonard I think I agree
18:52 wizzyrea (it's my opinion that it should do nothing until the confirm or ignore button is clicked)
18:52 wizzyrea this also happens if you scan another item without clicking confirm
18:51 oleonard Probably in the barcode field
18:51 wizzyrea *nod*
18:51 oleonard I think the question is where is the focus
18:50 wizzyrea that seems like odd behavior
18:49 wizzyrea hmm apparently if you hit enter when presented with a "confirm hold" dialog, it doesn't confirm or ignore the hold, but it does close the transfer
18:48 hdl good night
18:40 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6616] Move common table pager markup to include <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616>
18:30 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:30 jcamins @later tell nengard Regarding the latest bug on the 505 tag, I think I may have submitted a patch for that. If I did, you should have it sitting in your inbox for signing off.
17:41 jcamins (to see if that corrects the normalization)
17:39 jcamins sekjal: try running touch_all_biblios.
17:39 sekjal perhaps that's why
17:39 jcamins sekjal: ah.
17:39 sekjal I'm currently testing this on a pre 3-4 system
17:39 sekjal jcamins: yes, it does
17:38 jcamins The remove_biblioitems script uses ModBiblio, does it not?
17:38 jcamins Iff you have upgraded the database to 3.4, everything should be correct.
17:37 sekjal if so, then there is code somewhere that bypasses SetUTF8Flag()
17:37 sekjal so, I guess the thing to do is to fix up all the existing records into NFC, then run the system normally for a while, and see if any lose their normalization
17:36 hdl And yaz-icu was coping with NFD transformation.
17:36 sekjal okay, great, so we've got a subroutine for correctly normalizing MARC records into NFC
17:36 hdl for display.
17:36 hdl and since NFC was to be used...
17:36 jcamins I agree.
17:36 hdl But also thought that Koha should internally normalize the Unicode Encoding.
17:35 jcamins So whatever that underlying issue is needs to be fixed.
17:35 hdl Yes... at that moment, I had problems with display
17:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure opac-detail.pl outputs marc in utf-8
17:35 jcamins Bug 5965.
17:35 jcamins Yes.
17:35 jcamins hdl: you had added a SetUTF8Flag call to opac-details.pl at one point, because there were certain circumstances where the records weren't being normalized, hadn't you?
17:34 hdl sekjal: it always get into your catalogue through AddBiblio
17:33 jcamins Hm. Can't seem to find it.
17:33 jcamins I'm looking for it now.
17:32 hdl have not seen your coment
17:32 jcamins hdl: I seem to remember there being a problem with that that I commented on on bugzilla.
17:32 sekjal hdl: but that would only apply for AddBiblio... what about in cases of modifying or overlaying with Z39.50 records?
17:31 hdl But wel...
17:31 * hdl always frustrated to see ppl spending time over and over redoing things.
17:30 hdl line 262
17:30 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;h=639cc840f2a5532ade2e780c513e8b2ecdc54413;hb=41bcbcf885b34a863cf3b78da868c2895f41a3ec
17:30 hdl used in C4::Biblio AddBiblio
17:29 hdl sekjal: jcamins C4::Charset SetUTF8Flag function normalizes the data.
17:29 kf oh... should scroll first
17:29 kf oleonard: it's a nice idea :)
17:29 sekjal best solution would be to figure out how to make sure they're always NFC before saving, but barring that, my fixer script could be used periodically to do cleanup
17:28 sekjal could be any number of reasons
17:28 sekjal hdl: I'm not sure how the MARC records were getting normalized, but they're not all uniformly in NFC
17:28 hdl it is done in C4::Biblio
17:28 jcamins hdl: however, the work from BibLibre that I saw only affected the display and not the storage.
17:28 hdl jcamins: for our devs, even in marcxml
17:28 sekjal jcamins: I'll test on that specific one next
17:27 jcamins hdl: for display, yes.
17:27 hdl at least I think i sent some patches about that months ago
17:27 hdl sekjal: the NFC encoding is default in koha iirc... is it not ?
17:25 jcamins Because that's one of the letters where NFC and NFKC may be different.
17:25 sekjal was testing on O-with-an-umlaut
17:25 jcamins Does that work with A-with-a-macron?
17:24 sekjal solution: format the record in NFC
17:24 jcamins Excellent!
17:24 sekjal I was able to get a record to turn up in my diacritic-less search that previously only appeared with accented characters
17:24 jcamins How?
17:24 jcamins Woohoo!
17:23 magnuse sekjal++
17:23 sekjal jcamins: I think I'm on the right track of non-ICU diacritics search support
17:08 jcamins Ooh, LibraryThing is expanding.
16:47 reiveune bye
16:44 huginn` rhcl: The operation succeeded.
16:44 rhcl @later tell slef Have you ever been to a B-Sides event? http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/27749044/BSidesLondon
16:43 rhcl ping slef
16:43 rhcl agree
16:41 wizzyrea which seems weird and a little bit wrong.
16:41 wizzyrea namely that you're buying an mp3 for a library patron with public funds.
16:41 wizzyrea the comments I think are where the really interesting discussion is.
16:39 rhcl Well, read the article. Not sure what to think exactly, but concur with some of the points in the post. Thing is, some of the criticisms I apply to OverDrive, and we got that.
16:33 Johnindy I think it's interesting but I don't think music in libraries is where we want it to be yet
16:32 wizzyrea (that is to say, my opinion is directly related to johnindy's opinion, as I trust his judgement)
16:32 rhcl lemme look
16:32 Johnindy http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/04/just-say-no-to-freegal.html
16:31 rhcl Ok. Thanks
16:31 Johnindy let me find that
16:31 Johnindy almost did it then read a really interesting blog post on why not to do it
16:31 Johnindy I looked into it
16:31 wizzyrea c
16:31 wizzyrea one se
16:31 wizzyrea let me get you johnindy
16:31 rhcl_away wizzyrea: thoughts on freegal?
15:59 * oleonard was just about to get right on that
15:55 wizzyrea it's not like "make everything blue because white is boring"
15:55 wizzyrea that has applications, someone will want it.
15:54 oleonard An enhancement bug is one step above wishing it silently to one's self.
15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page
15:54 oleonard Bug 6615
15:48 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6428] refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6428>
15:29 wizzyrea :D
15:29 oleonard Because no one asked me, obviously!
15:29 wizzyrea :P
15:29 * wizzyrea wonders why it doesn't work like that now.
15:29 oleonard Right, so that I can have the circ staff move something from the shelf to the display case, for instance
15:28 wizzyrea so no cataloging permissions required
15:28 wizzyrea and you'd want circ staff to be able to do that
15:27 wizzyrea yea, the 2nd is probably more realistic
15:27 oleonard The latter
15:27 wizzyrea or pick a location, scan a barcode, it autosubmits
15:27 wizzyrea you're thinking scan a barcode, pick a location, click submit?
15:26 oleonard In fact, I see no reason why shelving location shouldn't be integrated into the existing transfers page
15:25 wizzyrea heh
15:20 * oleonard listens for the sound of wizzyrea running off to write it right now
15:20 wizzyrea the way 3481 works is kind of silly
15:19 wizzyrea now that is actually a really good idea
15:19 wizzyrea oooo
15:18 oleonard I want a transfers-like interface for shelving location.
15:18 wizzyrea AHA
15:18 oleonard Because I don't want the circ staff using batchmod
15:18 wizzyrea is the one
15:18 huginn` 04Bug 3481: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, In Processing/Shelving Cart locations
15:18 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3481
15:18 wizzyrea because batchmod can't unset it?
15:18 oleonard Yeah, I don't find shelving location to be useful when there isn't an easy way for the circ staff to set or unset it
15:17 wizzyrea I think so yea
15:17 oleonard that uses shelving location doesn't it?
15:17 wizzyrea sec let me find the bug
15:17 wizzyrea well there's that cataloging to cart feature thinger
15:17 wizzyrea oh i see.
15:16 oleonard We need a better way of keeping track of stuff between when it is cataloged and when it reaches the branches
15:16 wizzyrea oo
15:16 oleonard Okay, then I can't compare workflows. We do all our cataloging at the main library and then distribute.
15:15 wizzyrea oleonard: yes sir, they do
15:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Do your libraries each do their own cataloging on site?
14:39 kf chris_n: sorry... now i was not here - sent you an email
14:38 wizzyrea i somehow doubt he'll try that code again. hehe
14:30 * oleonard hopes Carl doesn't hotlink his library's logo forever. At the very least it will be confusing to his users
14:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6540] Add more options to koha-create <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6540>
14:29 chris_n kf: gotta run, but will check back with you later
14:26 chris_n still trying to get the 'S' oriented correctly ;-)
14:25 chris_n yup, for a moment
14:25 kf chris_n: still around?
14:24 Barrc I was thinking about option 2 myself - hoping it might be the case.
14:24 oleonard That is a guess, though.
14:24 oleonard I'm guessing two possibilities: 1) Your import went wrong somehow or 2) The import went fine, it's a problem with 2.2.7, and when you upgrade everything will be okay
14:24 wizzyrea maybe a framework problem?
14:23 Barrc All the bibs say "No Title" - seems to get a hit count though!
14:23 oleonard No idea why your search isn't working though
14:23 oleonard Barrc: Yeah, no Zebra in 2.2.7
14:21 Barrc I was then looking for zebra to rebuild but I can't find it anywhere. If I search Koha (2.2.7) I get hit counts but not bib/item info
14:20 Barrc So, I installed 2.2.7 on the new server and imported the sqldump from the old server into it
14:20 * chris_n heads off to the phone booth to change outfits
14:20 Barrc oleonard: I have an old 2.2.7 install that we need to get up to 3.4.2. However, we need to move it to another server also
14:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6589 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , can't add supplements
14:19 chris_n kf: shoot me an email re bug 6589 and I'll look at it; it shouldn't be a problem to include
14:19 oleonard Barrc: What exactly are you trying to do? Do you ask your question because searching isn't working?
14:19 Barrc authorities, LANG, 6xx etc
14:19 wizzyrea ...
14:18 Barrc no index mentioned
14:18 jcamins Barrc: in that case, I can't give you any useful advice. 2.2.7 is very old, but that's about all I know about it.
14:18 Barrc no - there are 8 scripts, all related to rebuilding
14:18 * wizzyrea will shut up now
14:18 wizzyrea all*
14:18 wizzyrea so, in migration tools, there's no "rebuild index" at lal?
14:18 wizzyrea right, 2.2
14:18 Barrc No - there doesn't seem to be any mention of Zebra
14:17 Barrc so I have to start with 2.2.7 on the new server, then import the existing 2.2.7 DB, then upgrade
14:17 wizzyrea isn't there ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild-nozebra.pl
14:17 Barrc but I can't do an in place upgrade
14:17 Barrc I need to migrate it to 3.4
14:17 Carl I will surely use this chat again!
14:17 Barrc Nope - 2.2.7
14:17 jcamins Barrc: do you mean *3*.2.7?
14:16 Carl thank you!
14:16 wizzyrea great!
14:16 Carl yes!
14:16 wizzyrea is it working now?
14:16 Carl no save button, but I was able to use the enter cursor as oleonard suggested
14:16 * wizzyrea read that 2 as a 3
14:16 oleonard There wasn't any indexing in 2.2.7, just brute mysql
14:16 wizzyrea oh true
14:16 oleonard that won't help with 2.2.7 though
14:15 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
14:15 wizzyrea searching faq?
14:15 Carl ahhh, thank you jcamins!!
14:15 Barrc help! - just got Koha 2.2.7 up on a server with a view to upgrade, however I can't figure out the search/indexing - anyone remember it?
14:14 Carl no save button
14:14 Carl ok, wait
14:13 * oleonard can submit with enter in IE8
14:12 jcamins (on the search results page, that is)
14:12 jcamins Do you have a save button on that page?
14:12 jcamins Carl: try this: use the syspref search function to search for Intranetcolor
14:11 Carl but I have tried om PC with IE also
14:11 Carl Firefox 5.0.1 Mac
14:10 wizzyrea which browser?
14:10 Carl hm, not for me
14:09 oleonard Carl: I also find that if I clear the intranetcolorstylesheet form field and hit enter with the cursor still in the field the form submits
14:08 wahanui oleonard is, like, the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
14:08 Carl oleonard
14:08 Carl maybe you didn't get the full code
14:08 vfernandes one question... i'm using koha 3.2.6 and in the detail page if the record title as " the catalogue toolbar doesn't appear correctly
14:08 Carl ok
14:08 oleonard Carl: That stuff should have gone into the IntranetUserCSS pref instead. However, I can't duplicate your problem event if I put it in intranetcolorstylesheet
14:08 Carl but, is there maybe an "undo" function in Koha?
14:08 wizzyrea in my experience there are no 'ordinary' librarians.
14:07 Carl yes, indeed
14:07 wizzyrea hi vfernandes
14:07 vfernandes hi Koha community :)
14:07 wizzyrea everybody starts somewhere :)
14:07 Carl I should say that I'm just an ordinary librarian, trying to learn the back end stuff
14:06 wizzyrea oooo
14:05 Carl in intranetcolorstylesheet
14:05 oleonard Carl, did you put that in intranetcolorstylesheet or in IntranetUserCSS?
14:05 Carl before our IT staff comes back from vacation
14:05 Carl well, the problem is that I want to delete it
14:04 Carl :-)
14:04 wizzyrea ;)
14:04 wizzyrea (we laugh because oleonard wrote that post)
14:04 * jcamins was just about to say it was familiar, too
14:03 Carl ok?
14:03 * wizzyrea giggles
14:03 oleonard that looks familiar
14:03 Carl maybe some part is missing
14:03 Carl inline styles */ #login h1 { background:url("http://www.myacpl.org/sites/all/themes/npl/logo.png") no-repeat scroll center top transparent; } #login h1 a { height:71px; }
14:03 Carl and than it went away
14:03 Carl yes
14:02 wizzyrea so you had a save button
14:02 * wizzyrea wonders if you could negate the offending css using firebug then undo it
14:02 oleonard Paste it here if you still have it: http://paste.koha-community.org/
14:02 wizzyrea can you paste it here?
14:01 Carl a copied a code from a forum
14:01 Carl som bad changes I guess...
14:00 Carl precisely, it disapeared
14:00 wizzyrea just curious, what changes did you make to the intranetcolorstylesheet
14:00 Carl and I'm a very new user...
14:00 oleonard Carl, you see no "Save all Staff Client preferences" button at the bottom of the page?
14:00 Carl I think
14:00 Carl 3.3 a think
13:59 oleonard Carl, what version of Koha are you using?
13:59 oleonard Carl, you would have had to manually install translations and enable them
13:58 Carl can you describe in more detail?
13:58 Carl hm, well, I don't think so
13:57 oleonard I do find that the save button is partially obscured by the language chooser. Do you have translations enabled?
13:57 Carl well, I made some changes under "intranetcolorstylesheet"
13:56 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=staff_client ?
13:56 Carl And this is a opportunity to try this Koha chat
13:56 wizzyrea question?
13:55 Carl under "Staff client"
13:55 Carl I have a question about a missing "Save"-button in the Koha admin
13:55 oleonard Hi Carl
13:54 Carl Hello!
13:24 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6612] Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612>
13:12 nengard (I don't need it) :)
13:12 nengard but some libraries might want that code in there too - I'm not sure
13:12 nengard oleonard that works
13:11 oleonard Poor server needs a vaycay.
13:10 jcamins "Attention! You must fill out this online form now!!! PS- our server is shut down until the fall."
13:09 oleonard nengard: Here's an example that shows a maxed-out description length: http://www.screencast.com/t/h2WQbzeHiWR
13:09 * talljoy is still sucking down her first cup of coffee
13:08 * jcamins hasn't had breakfast yet.
13:08 jcamins talljoy: not if you want help. :)
13:08 talljoy do i need to specify a file name?
13:07 jcamins If you run bulkmarcimport.pl without any arguments, that'll do it.
13:07 kf or --h
13:07 kf try -h
13:07 jcamins_away talljoy: something like that.
13:07 talljoy okay on the wiki?
13:07 kf hm not sure about the option, but it has documentation
13:07 talljoy so bulkmarcimport.pl -a filename ?
13:06 kf bulkmarcimport with -a as option
13:06 talljoy Morning all! I am looking for the name of the script to import authority records into koha. Is it bulkauthimport.pl?
13:05 oleonard It's really just a choice of the librarian to use something shorter for the authorised_value (or not)
13:05 oleonard I made a comment on the bug regarding that: The maximum length of the authorised_value is the same as for the description, so potentially the length of each could be the same
13:04 nengard parens
13:04 nengard maybe truncate it and put the code in parense after it
13:04 nengard but if you can truncate it :)
13:04 nengard but it's sometimes a sentence and that's long for a pull down
13:03 nengard oleonard - agree
12:59 JesseM Hi kf!
12:58 kf hi oleonard and nengard
12:58 kf hi JesseM :)
12:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , sort pulldown for messages in alpha order
12:51 oleonard nengard: Regarding Bug 6612, better to display the note itself in the dropdown rather than the code associated with it?
12:33 nengard oleonard, let me try it on master - i only had time to take the partner's word for it on that one
12:32 oleonard nengard: I wonder if I'm doing it wrong
12:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute
12:32 * oleonard can't duplicate bug 6611
11:58 JesseM Good Morning!!!!
11:39 kf forget... I hav eno idea
11:39 kf forget ah
11:38 wahanui i already had it that way, kf.
11:38 kf ah, now he is gone
11:34 slef bye rangi!
11:33 * rangi goes to sleep cya's tomorrow
11:31 slef wish I could agree ;-)
11:27 Barrc Anything as long as it doesn't fly will do me!!
11:26 slef I don't like boats but catamarans are OK, even that big.
11:25 slef Barrc: cool. They took it off Harwich to Hoek van Holland, saying that fuel cost too much.
11:21 Barrc Certainly Holyhead to Dublin/Dun Laoghaire still goes, I use it often
11:19 slef I wonder if the HSS is still on Holyhead-Dublin and Stranraer-Belfast
11:18 slef Barrc: heh, better than us going the other way!
11:17 Barrc slef: ha, you might regret that, I'll be on the boat with server in hand!
11:16 slef what rangi says, even
11:16 slef but what rangi is basically the way
11:15 slef Barrc: and if you get completely stuck, we're next door in Scotland and England ;-)
11:11 Barrc thanks
11:08 rangi and good luck :)
11:07 rangi the webinstaller will then do most, but you do need to run one other script, its documented in the INSTALL file
11:07 rangi once you get it to 3.0 you can dump the db, load it in
11:05 Barrc oh well - t'will be tricky - thanks!
11:05 rangi yup
11:05 Barrc hum, maybe if I build 2.2.7 on the new server and go from there.....
11:05 rangi you'll need to make a copy of your 2.2.7 install it, upgrade it
11:04 rangi right you cant
11:04 Barrc I really need to migrate which is what I should have said - sorry
11:04 rangi right, thats what you have to do
11:04 rangi follow that to get it to 3.0.x and from there you can go to 3.4.2 (following the upgrade information in the INSTALL file)
11:04 Barrc yeah, I have seen that. It takes about moving to 3.0 and an inplace upgrade.
11:03 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
11:03 rangi nope
11:02 Barrc How would dropping the 2.2.7 database into t a vanilla 3.4.2 install work, and then running the web installer?
11:02 Barrc The 2.2.7 version is complete vanilla with no customisations or modifications.
11:01 Barrc Does anyone have any suggestions how to upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.4.2?
08:57 * kf kf_mtg
08:56 kf paul_p: you will have to move again soon :)
08:28 rangi ahhh right
08:27 slef I was helping someone, had to go afk, expected to be back in 90, wasn't.
08:27 slef nm, non-sequitur
08:26 rangi ?
08:26 slef well that was a long 90 minutes :-/
08:22 rangi congrats paul_p
08:22 bg we're at 10 now
08:21 bg wow that's getting to be big
08:21 paul_p Hello bg & kf & rangi. /me publishing new blog entries to hire 2 more ppl : one project manager, one support developer. BibLibre staff should be 18 soon...
07:45 bg yo kf
07:45 kf hi bg
07:45 bg evening :)
07:39 hdl Namaste kmkale rangi
07:35 rangi hi paul_p and hdl
07:34 kmkale :)
07:34 kmkale Namaste hdl
07:34 paul_p bonjour kmkale
07:34 kmkale Namaste paul_p
07:30 rangi hi kmkale
07:29 kmkale Namaste rangi
07:24 kf thx rangi
07:24 rangi http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/2011/07/another-update-on-ruth/
07:22 julian hi
07:21 sophie_m hello
06:58 clrh hello
06:51 lds hello
06:33 wahanui que tal, reiveune
06:33 reiveune hello
06:27 kmkale gotta go bbl
06:22 kf should read more carfully
06:22 kf ah, you already foudn it
06:22 kf http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035416.html
06:21 kmkale 4) test???
06:21 kmkale 3) make upgrade as usual
06:21 kf but because they are quite old now there might be still a lot of conflicts
06:21 kf kmkale: I think there is a way to convert, a script
06:21 kmkale 2) use template_toolkit_translation_tools to translate templates
06:20 kmkale so the steps are like this? 1) create a new local branch tracking the remote origin/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records branch
06:19 kmkale yay.
06:18 hdl Consider rebasing them over the latest templates.... And even over the queued patches.
06:18 hdl kmkale: if you want to test that on template toolkit, you may translate the templates... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_translation_tools
06:16 kmkale *hi :)
06:15 kmkale i kf hdl
06:15 kf hi hdl and kmkale
06:15 kmkale I want to test this branch http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records It seems to be based on old templating system. Is iit possible to do so from a system which is currently tracking master?
06:14 hdl hi kf
06:11 kf good morning #koha
05:56 kmkale Hi, can anyone tell me how I should go about applying this bunch of patches for Analytic Records and then using the same? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records
05:18 cait morning francharb :)
05:16 francharb hello #koha
05:07 cait morning
04:55 kmkale Amit_Gupta: you there?
04:55 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :)
04:48 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale
04:46 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:56 phlunk3 thx
03:55 rangi if you ever need to
03:55 rangi for setting up a koha dev env in a vm
03:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment
03:54 rangi heres a good tutorial
03:54 rangi ah
03:53 phlunk3 Im afraid I am currently down to a single laptop :(
03:53 rangi they *should* be the same ... but launchpad does some trickery
03:53 rangi id appreciate the ubuntu ones being tested tho, if you have any dev environments
03:52 rangi for production anyway
03:52 phlunk3 thanks
03:52 rangi those are better tested than the ones in the ppa
03:52 rangi id probably use the ones at debian.koha-community.org
03:52 eythian ideally
03:52 phlunk3 also, I take it if I install through the ubuntu package that updates in the future are going to be very pain-free?
03:51 rangi heh
03:50 eythian he's pretty much a newbie
03:50 rangi since september 99
03:50 phlunk3 never really dealt with this sort of system in my past jobs.
03:50 phlunk3 how long have you been working on this system? I havent even had a chance to see it yet, but hopefully will get some time after this upgrade to see what the system does.
03:49 rangi yup
03:49 phlunk3 you are chris btw?
03:49 phlunk3 tx rangi, sorted :)
03:46 rangi who knows, but doesnt hurt to let it have the possibility
03:46 phlunk3 its just a small school and the server is dedicated to koha, u think it could need more than 3gig of ram?
03:45 rangi because one day you may want to give it more than 3gig of ram
03:45 rangi id do 64 bit
03:44 phlunk3 rangi, just before I start this vm setup, can you confirm that 10.04 server version will be fine? and also is 32bit fine or do I need the 64 preferably?
03:34 rangi hi Amit_Gupta :)
03:33 Amit_Gupta good morning koha ;)
03:33 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;)
02:48 rangi :)
02:48 cait thx :)
02:47 cait ok, going back to sleep for another hour
02:47 rangi :)
02:47 cait ah, that's what I got too :)
02:47 cait the minion sind a short note too, but was 3 hours ago
02:47 rangi ruth is out of surgery, in her room, all is well
02:47 cait what did she say?
02:46 cait I was checking my mail
02:46 cait ?
02:46 rangi cait: i heard from nengard
02:46 cait hmpf
02:46 rangi hey cait
01:07 rangi hi Judit
01:07 rangi yum yum abrakebabra for lunch
00:56 wahanui salut, Judit
00:56 Judit hi
00:06 rangi sleep well magnus_away
00:06 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day!
00:05 phlunk3 lol, mummies are not always mothers
00:04 ibeardslee oh one of those families
00:04 ibeardslee 'he' 'mummy' ?