Time Nick Message
22:56 druthb o/
22:42 slef heh, spot NZEU overlaps
22:34 jcamins Every time I come back, he tries to chew on my hand.
22:34 jcamins Every time I get up, Myshkin steals my chair.
22:32 bg heh I guess I've fallen way down that list...
22:25 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
21:58 slef can someone boot sjohnson@hpplnj.org off of koha-patches please? http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2011-July/015374.html
21:51 slef jcamins: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWay
21:50 Space_Librarian 0/
21:32 jcamins_away WikiWikiWay?
21:31 slef that's the original WikiWikiWay... surprised it still works in mediawiki... most of the old ways don't :(
21:28 wizzyrea magnuse++ for originally teaching me that
21:28 wizzyrea woot, I knew it was something like that
21:27 slef jcamins_away: np. I needed to read them anyway. Now linked from wiki too.
21:26 jcamins_away slef: thanks for the logs.
21:26 slef [[Category:IRC Meetings]] fwiw
21:26 slef wizzyrea++
21:26 slef done
21:25 * slef tests
21:25 slef oh yeah, I've seen that
21:24 wizzyrea that might be wrong
21:24 wizzyrea er
21:24 wizzyrea you can do something like [Category|The_category] iirc
21:19 slef hrm
21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , overduerules.pl needs an overhaul
21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3537 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Option as to whether hold charges are determined by patron type or item type
21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one
21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system
21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3580 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Control order in which facet categories display
21:18 slef @query categories
21:18 rangi categories are totally busted, i think thd was looking into it
21:18 slef interesting... http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=General_IRC_Meeting,_2_August_2011&action=edit doesn't let me put it in the IRC Meetings category any more. Anyone know why not? thd? gmcharlt?
21:15 slef created http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_August_2011
21:14 rangi cya cait
21:14 cait bye #koha
21:01 jcamins_away Yikes.
21:01 slef http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.html
21:00 jcamins_away Does anyone have the links to meeting logs?
21:00 slef http://bit.ly/oZT7Xo and my http://identi.ca/mjray
21:00 slef jcamins_away: no, suspicious death enquiry. Let me get the links again
20:59 wizzyrea thank heavens... would hate for the pub to lose business ^.^
20:59 jcamins_away slef: is there rioting?
20:59 slef mostly
20:59 slef yeah jcamins_away so did I
20:59 slef back... cordon has fallen back 50m or so, the pub and my house are now outside it :)
20:58 jcamins_away Whoops.
20:58 jcamins_away Oh, I missed an IRC meeting?
20:34 rangi i think they cancelled the alert for nz now
20:33 ibeardslee http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/
20:33 cait you did good
20:33 rangi thats about all i can do
20:32 rangi we can only do what we can do, patch is based on their fork, so should apply clean
20:32 cait hm, and they might not know they are affected
20:32 wizzyrea they'd have to request it
20:32 wizzyrea hm, I imagine they can't do it directly :(
20:32 rangi so anyone running Liblime ILS will want to apply that patch manually
20:31 ibeardslee compare that to other software
20:31 rangi i sent ll a patch for theirs too, they havent integrated it yet
20:31 rangi i think we did ok there, 4 days after we got the details fix was out
20:31 wizzyrea nice response time though
20:30 wizzyrea hmm
20:29 rangi http://en.securitylab.ru/lab/PT-2011-05
20:28 slef right my stop... bbl
20:26 sekjal sorry for disappearing; mandatory computer restart
20:26 sekjal hi cait
20:26 cait hi sekjal
20:25 slef wonder if that could affect it
20:24 slef do the us or ca frack the pacififc rim?
20:12 rangi bbiab
20:12 rangi right my stop
20:11 rangi hope it misses them
20:11 rangi oh crap tonga
20:11 ibeardslee I did see some mention of some rattles felt in nz .. don't know if that was a separate incident or a ripple from that quake
20:10 rangi thats gotta leave a mark
20:10 wizzyrea that is pretty epic
20:10 rangi but 7.8
20:10 rangi kermadecs are quite a way away, so most likely nothing
20:09 rangi more like a river than a wave
20:08 wizzyrea a really wide wave
20:08 rangi yeah
20:08 ibeardslee more a surge than a wave isn't it?
20:08 rangi it just keeps coming
20:08 rangi and its not a single wave
20:08 wizzyrea well I know about how big a meter is :)
20:07 rangi but still 3 feet
20:07 * wizzyrea has no frame of reference for these things
20:07 rangi small
20:07 wizzyrea 1m, big or small tsunami?
20:06 * wizzyrea rimshots
20:06 ibeardslee rangi: less chilli then
20:06 rangi not many
20:06 rangi yep they do
20:06 rangi the ring of fire is starting to piss me off
20:05 wizzyrea people live there?
20:05 ibeardslee is it just me .. or does poor old mother earth seem to be rebelling a bit more recently?
20:05 wizzyrea those are some teensy tiny islands
20:05 ibeardslee not good
20:04 rangi poor kermadecs
20:03 wizzyrea even better: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5247203/Tsunami-warning-for-New-Zealand
20:03 wizzyrea http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/06/quake-pacific-idUSN1E7651IT20110706
20:03 cait :(
20:03 wizzyrea !!
20:03 rangi tsunami warning
20:03 cait ?
20:02 rangi shit
20:02 rangi yay sun is coming out
19:49 rangi yep
19:46 cait got all fuzzy I assume - because placeholders work differently now
19:46 cait there are not that many with template strings
19:45 cait probably we didn't do anything?
19:45 cait ah ok
19:43 rangi I can't recall anything special, fredericd is the one to ask about translation stuffs
19:37 slef no network for 200m or so
19:37 cait ah
19:36 slef (opposite of a hotspot)
19:36 cait ok- now I don't understand
19:36 slef looked silent to me, then I realised I was crossing a not spot
19:35 slef cool
19:35 cait I did a lot of testing, but not sure how it was done
19:35 cait yep; I think I understood :)
19:35 cait soon
19:35 slef I mean :)
19:35 cait sekjal: rangi will now I think, should be back
19:35 slef cait: like another command for the template module change
19:35 cait hm
19:34 cait ah
19:34 slef cait: like another command for the template language change
19:34 cait I thik the script can do all languages at once now too
19:34 cait to see if new strings get added
19:34 cait for testing I used something like perl translate update de-DE
19:34 slef can't remember sorry :(
19:34 cait action like?
19:33 sekjal does misc/translator/translate require any additional action to update a language's template files between 3.2 and 3.4?
19:31 slef I have a pic. mle has tons
19:30 slef (SOftware.COop MEMbers CONference)
19:29 slef today was fun btw... socomemcon :)
19:23 slef hrm, think the passenger next to me is alighting... biab
19:22 cait lol ok
19:22 slef heh, time and typing fail
19:22 wahanui i guess pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets
19:22 wizzyrea pita?
19:21 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
19:21 wizzyrea pita is also a kind of bread, usually with pockets
19:21 wahanui ...but pita is pain in the arse...
19:21 slef wahanui: PITA is pain inthe arse
19:21 wahanui hmmm... pita is pain in the arse
19:21 wizzyrea pita?
19:21 wizzyrea pita is pain in the arse
19:21 cait pita?
19:21 slef sounds like a pita though
19:20 wizzyrea s/days/bugs
19:20 wizzyrea certainly less critical than other days
19:20 wizzyrea mmm I don't think it's *that* big of a deal
19:19 slef one for bsp?
19:18 wizzyrea yea, I think so
19:18 slef Hmm. debug required?
19:18 wizzyrea it's quite weird
19:18 wizzyrea it's a screencast showing the guided reports wizard, on the location limiter, it shows values that aren't in the authorized values
19:17 slef wizzyrea: whassat (no browser open on phone atm)
19:17 slef bah... I've so,me rda podcasts to listen to but no motivation right now :/
19:16 wizzyrea huh, that's really bizarre: http://screencast.com/t/du3wdtkf0
19:16 slef (I left in rush hour, so wore protective nonsense)
19:15 slef yeah, so small, armoured and mobile
19:15 slef but I don't know
19:14 wizzyrea you'll be on your bike though, right?
19:14 slef I suspect they're searching cars
19:14 wizzyrea you're such a rebel ;)
19:13 slef well I think there must be a good 200 home inside the cordon. can't stop us all
19:13 slef if you don't hear from me again, I rode through and it ended badly :)
19:12 wizzyrea zounds
19:12 slef I'm wondering whether to evade the cordon or just try riding straight through it like I did this morning :)
19:11 slef these had helicopters and stuff landing on the village green, which is still taped off afaik
19:10 wizzyrea ooo
19:10 slef I think.
19:10 slef wizzyrea: sus death = they hadn't seen a doc in3 months, here
19:10 rangi bb from the bus
19:10 rangi ok time to get up
19:10 wizzyrea ^.^
19:09 rangi yeah way more sus stuff if id been there
19:09 * wizzyrea remembers that rangi has never been to lindsborg... feels better
19:09 slef wizzyrea: we get 2 or 3 sus deaths a month, most are unremarkable, unreported
19:09 rangi heh
19:09 wizzyrea stopit you're making me paranoid!
19:08 rangi thats what they want u to believe
19:08 * wizzyrea facepalms
19:08 wizzyrea s/was/were
19:08 wizzyrea everything else was accidents or natural deaths.
19:08 wizzyrea I think in the entire time I lived in my hometown (about 4000 people) there was only one or two deaths that were remotely suspicious
19:08 library_systems_guy rangi: agreed
19:07 wizzyrea yea, that would be traumatic for a town that size
19:07 wizzyrea aha, ty
19:07 slef wizzyrea: no formal definition. Parish (5 settlements) is about 3000 total IIRC
19:07 rangi library_systems_guy: its unethical behaviour from the proprietary vendors .... free software ftw
19:06 wizzyrea how many residents?
19:06 wizzyrea slef: how small of a town constitutes a "village" in england?
19:05 slef but no, cordon for another day... so I'll be dodging that then ;)0
19:05 library_systems_guy thats true...its amazing how hard it is to get your own data out of a legacy system
19:05 wizzyrea slef :(
19:05 rhcl why do I keep getting disconnected I wonder
19:05 rangi we dont
19:05 rangi well they have the license
19:05 slef wizzyrea: http://bit.ly/oZT7Xo and my http://identi.ca/mjray
19:05 library_systems_guy sad day for the library lol
19:04 rangi at catalyst we never touch the existing system, thats up to the library to do
19:04 rangi library_systems_guy: not me, they've been used a few times tho I bet
19:02 * wizzyrea gets scared about slef's house being cordoned off
19:02 library_systems_guy has anybody used druthb's migration scripts for Symphony before?
19:02 wizzyrea !!
19:01 rangi eeek
19:01 slef hrm, I'd best look at the police's website, see if my home is still cordoned off :/
19:01 rangi heres hoping
19:01 rangi election this year
19:00 rangi yeah
19:00 slef hrm, you'd think a banker would be unelectable at the mo :(
19:00 rangi facts and logic have no place
18:59 rangi its a dogma
18:59 rangi privitisation is always the right thing
18:59 rangi highly unlikely, john key is a former investment banker
18:59 slef = remove them from the privatisation game, if done right
18:58 slef no chance of getting them sold to trusts?
18:58 rangi yeah
18:58 slef nutty. once sold, it's hard to get back anything worth having. Privateers (including most of the news media) flame expropriation
18:56 rangi morons
18:56 rangi ohh its making money, quick sell it
18:56 rangi they are asset sales junkies
18:55 rangi and the last of the power co's too
18:55 slef (emubank?)
18:55 rangi if we keep this current govt, they'll sell kiwibank
18:54 slef shame their service is a bit random :-/
18:54 rangi public money even
18:54 slef yeah 2d and kiwibank trade on not being furry nahs, don't they?
18:54 rangi I think here it would have to be done with pubkic
18:53 rangi they own most everything else
18:53 slef one reguaging was done pre-nationalisation though
18:53 rangi most likely
18:52 slef probably foreign banks, like our trains
18:52 slef yeah, ours too, then a later one did fun stuff to help the track co go bust and move track into a non-profit
18:51 rangi forget who owns it now
18:51 rangi sold off most of the rolling stock
18:50 rangi yeah that would be sensible, our govt instead sold the track and trains to overseas interests who plundered it
18:50 slef SVs tilt to avoid falling off our tracks though :)
18:49 slef reguage as you replace. we did, twice IIRC.
18:46 wizzyrea d'oh
18:46 wizzyrea d;oh
18:46 rangi stupid narrow gauge
18:46 rangi we cant have fast trains they fall off the tracks
18:45 rangi track gauge here is wrong
18:44 slef someone should send nz some of these trains. tranzscenic is cool. SuperVoyagers are practical.
18:43 rangi heh
18:40 cait I thik talking about real koha is the best thing we can do
18:40 wizzyrea ohsnap did someone just call rangi a pragmatist?!
18:40 cait morning rangi
18:40 oleonard Hey, your pragmatism is interfering with my angry ranting :P
18:37 rangi :)
18:37 rangi you know, the one people can actually download and use
18:36 rangi oleonard: we should send marshall a press release about the bug sign off day, he publishes anything verbatim, best counter to the talk about liblime ils, is to talk about actual koha
18:34 * slef is speeding home through the midlands and west country
17:38 cait hi oleonard
17:38 cait hm missing a plugin here to check if the li was inserted at the right place
17:37 nengard works lovely
17:37 nengard cait++
17:35 cait :)
17:35 nengard you're awesome
17:35 nengard End of list is fine :)
17:34 nengard hehe
17:34 cait right :)
17:34 wahanui i think nengard is fast
17:34 cait nengard?
17:33 cait do you need it to be at a special position in the list?
17:32 cait will add your new link to the end of the list
17:31 cait });
17:31 cait $("#moremenu .bd ul").append('<li><a href="/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl">Lists again</a></li>');
17:31 cait $(document).ready(function(){
17:30 cait almost there, but looks a little wrong
17:28 nengard thanks cait, jquery would be great
17:28 nengard there, all fixed
17:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6558] intranetnav has the wrong description <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6558>
17:26 cait hm, I am trying
17:23 cait want me to try and figure out the jquery for you?
17:23 nengard for that preference
17:22 nengard will report a bug and fix the text
17:22 cait the cart should perhaps be at the end
17:22 nengard agreed
17:22 nengard yup
17:22 cait looks a little weird with the cart now
17:22 cait hm even before the More menu
17:22 nengard it should say 'next to the More menu"
17:21 nengard hmmm
17:21 cait Show the following HTML in the More menu at the top of each page on the staff client (should be a list of links or blank):
17:21 cait if it doesn't work the description is wrong
17:21 nengard but it adds it next to More not under More
17:21 nengard yeah, i know about that one
17:20 cait IntranetNav
17:20 nengard not the nav bar ....
17:20 nengard yup, but this library wants it in the 'more' menu
17:19 cait you can add more links to the nav bar - I did that for one of my libraries
17:19 cait but I wonder if there was/is a syspref
17:19 cait jquery will work
17:19 cait hm
17:14 nengard_lunch is there a way (jquery?) to add a link to the more menu in the staff client?
17:09 cait ah, now I missed paul_p
17:09 cait hi #koha
16:22 kf bye all :)
16:18 kf more 3-4 seconds actually
16:18 oleonard Indeed!
16:18 kf it's eight years old, time for retirement
16:17 kf oleonard: I hope so :) on my old laptop loading a koha page takes 2 seconds
16:17 kf nengard: I think we should ask some questions on them - but have not come around to do that :(
16:15 oleonard new_laptop++
16:15 nengard from 50 needing sign off down to 46 ... not sure i can test any of the others ... too many with out descriptions of the problem or the solution
16:11 kf but not sure when it will arrive and how long installing koha and everything else willt ake :(
16:10 kf I am waiting for my new laptop - hope to do some bug squashing on friday :)
16:10 kf yeah I see it :)
16:10 nengard on a roll
16:10 nengard :)
16:10 kf nengard++
15:45 oakivil you can read it and then mock me all you can. I can take it :D Then after i have collected the bits of my self esteem I will correct it
15:45 oakivil wrapped up a preliminary raport about your cataloguing, acquisiton and authorities modules
15:44 oakivil http://193.65.112.189/miscdist/Report%20of%20Koha%20Cataloguing%20v03.pdf
15:42 oakivil clever!
15:41 sekjal oakivil: so long as all the stuff they wrote is only hosted on their servers, not distributed to other people's machines, they can keep it closed-source
15:39 oakivil cant really remeber how the licenses went
15:39 wizzyrea I think you're thinking of the AGPL
15:39 oakivil i tust your verdict
15:38 oakivil ok
15:38 kf I am not a license expert, but I think some people looked into that
15:38 oakivil and code must be made available on request
15:38 oakivil or keeping the code to oneself
15:37 oakivil i thought Koha licence prevents selling as proprietary, any part somehow connected to Koha
15:36 oakivil rhcl: beam me up!
15:36 kf oakivil: afaik there is nothing we can sue for
15:35 rhcl I get the money. Pizza party at my shack upon receipt. Hackathon. With enough Lowenbrau the coders will transition nicely from Perl to Prolog, and Koha will be completely in Japanese on top of a MUMPS db.
15:32 reiveune bye
15:31 sekjal and I didn't see another way to do the headers by ID, except to put the markup in the <th>
15:31 oleonard Agreed.
15:30 sekjal oleonard: okay, cool. when columns keep popping in and out depending on your settings, using column numbers to designate which to sort gets iffy
15:29 oleonard sekjal: No reason not to that I know of, just haven't used that method in the past
15:29 oakivil but who gets the money :D ?
15:29 oakivil sue liblime?
15:27 sekjal since the number and order of columns varies so wildly on that page?
15:27 sekjal is there any reason not to move the header sort info out of the Javascript, and into the <th>?
15:27 sekjal yes.
15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6484 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , due date sorter on 'my summary' missing
15:26 oleonard re: Bug 6484?
15:26 oleonard sekjal: shoot
15:26 Oak rhcl
15:26 sekjal oleonard: jquery tablesorter question
15:26 rhcl oak
15:25 * Oak waves
15:24 kf oleonard: yeah :(
15:24 kf hm, I lost track a little - what is the planned released date for 3.4.3?
15:23 kf chris_n: around?
15:20 oleonard I'm sure sick of seeing "feature teasers" about "Liblime Academic Koha." Where's the mention of open source? Or has has it been agreed that it's not really open source after all?
15:13 rhcl oh
15:00 oleonard rhcl: 10:00 UTC+0 = 6AM EDT
14:53 rhcl oh
14:51 hdl rhcl: somthing like 4 hours.
14:46 rhcl_away Am I late for the meeting, I wonder?
14:19 kf sixcms--
13:54 oakivil ok
13:49 sekjal oakivil: don't know, exactly
13:45 oakivil how does*
13:45 oakivil sekjal: how is the purchase work?
13:44 oakivil sekjal: or am i totally lost?
13:44 oakivil then the purchased items are actually searched from Koha's own database, instead of browsing a vendor catalog
13:43 oakivil so it reads the daily changes/additions from a vendor and imports them to the database
13:42 oakivil sounds like we do it
13:42 oakivil ok
13:35 sekjal it should be able to handle the various EDI definitions used standard around the world. the incoming file should be uploadable to a directory, whereby Koha parses the information according to the standard into the necessary places in the database
13:32 oakivil sekjal: do you have any established goals for the EDI? A vision, use-case plans or similar?
13:28 oakivil mhhmhhm
13:28 oakivil hmm
13:28 slef or interrogate sekjal
13:27 slef talk to me tomorrow when I'm not in a meeting
13:26 slef reacting to database and ftp stimuli
13:26 oakivil hmm
13:26 slef yeah, it drives C4::Acquisitions
13:26 sekjal unfortunately, at this time, I don't have much to show. my time has been devoted to other business lately
13:25 sekjal slef has given ByWater access to those scripts, so that we can work on integrating them with current HEAD
13:24 sekjal oakivil: it's not so much a module as a series of scripts by software.coop
13:23 oakivil now hold it there mister
13:23 druthb run away, sekjal! run away!
13:23 oakivil sekjal: where can i get to know more about the EDI module?
13:23 sekjal hi, oakivil
13:23 oakivil been waiting for you
13:22 oakivil hi sekjal!
13:10 nengard those questions are for sekjal and slef
13:09 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:09 oleonard wahanui: wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
13:08 oakivil but google doesnt know :D
13:08 oakivil wiki?
13:08 oakivil lika JIRA?
13:08 oleonard ...
13:07 oakivil and % of completion
13:07 oakivil where they have tasks or goals set
13:07 oakivil i presume they have some kind of project management system
13:07 oleonard oakivil: Are you hoping to track an in-progress git repo?
13:06 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', oakivil
13:06 oakivil seen that
13:06 nengard http://bywatersolutions.com/2010/10/13/bywater-solutions-and-software-coop-collaborating-on-koha-edi-support/
13:06 oakivil slef: where can I follow the state of the EDI you are developing?
13:05 kf it's in the works
13:05 kf I think you should talk to slef and bywater
13:05 kf get it being a different program
13:05 oakivil so what can I write about the community EDI?
13:05 oakivil hmm
13:05 kf I think they have the old acq module or get it
13:05 kf not sure acq are the same in liblime koah and koha
13:04 oakivil ok
13:04 nengard since developers didn't see the other EDI code before starting their work
13:04 nengard it will probably be implemented differently
13:04 nengard oakivil, there will be EDI for the community because it's being worked on
13:04 oakivil so liblime is developing the EDI, so there will be no EDI for the community
13:03 oakivil sounds dirty
13:03 kf and there is no community
13:03 oleonard ...and then not releasing code for years.
13:03 kf there is a git repository now - but I think it's not the version they run for their customers
13:03 oleonard LibLime bends the rules by promising to release code "soon."
13:03 kf I would say different featuers
13:03 kf long story
13:01 oakivil I thought Koha is licenced as such that it cannot be branched like that
13:01 oakivil I'm reading an article where it says the Enterprise Koha has more functionality than the community Koha?
13:00 oakivil does LibLime have its own proprietary code?
12:54 oleonard If EDI is a requirement then I suggest you inquire about helping to sponsor it
12:53 oakivil and what they might cost
12:53 oakivil just finding out what modifications are needed to have Koha match our needs
12:53 oakivil we are still planning our steps to move to Open Source ILS'
12:52 oleonard Unless you plan on running your own branched version long-term
12:52 oleonard If you're going to need to tweak it anyway then I suggest getting involved now so that your "tweaks" can be incorporated
12:51 oakivil oleonard: we definetely need to tweak it for our own needs anyway
12:51 oakivil oleonard: possibly help develop it if it will be in production for years
12:51 oakivil to know when its ready
12:50 oleonard oakivil: Are you hoping to help develop or test, or are you just wanting to know when it's ready?
12:47 oakivil he hasnt been around in a while
12:47 oakivil so it seems
12:47 oleonard oakivil: sekjal is not here
12:47 oakivil sekjal: where can I find more information about the EDI module?
12:47 oakivil i guess i already asked them about it
12:46 oakivil yeah
12:46 oleonard slef: Was sekjal working with you on that?
12:40 oakivil is there any place where to follow its current whereabouts?
12:40 oleonard Because the work is still in progress
12:39 oakivil so EDI never made it into 3.4
11:52 thd Brooke: If a hammer was the only tool at hand it may have been used on the delicate cake.
11:52 Brooke k I'm going back to bid because I'm ornery.
11:52 nengard thanks mtg, it looks like the librarian wants the total issues for each item, so I didn't have to do the sum bit
11:51 thd Brooke: I am merely guessing and of course there is no intention of blocking anyone who is not a spammer :)
11:51 mtj nengard: that sql should do the same, for a bib
11:51 * Brooke feels a left join comin' on
11:51 mtj nengard: mysql> select sum(issues) from items where biblionumber = 51;
11:50 Brooke thd: well set protections however ye need to to let me upload me shtuff when I'm logged in.
11:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , biblioitems.totalissues unused
11:49 nengard bug 6557
11:49 thd Brooke: blocking uploads may have had something to do with the wiki spam problem.
11:49 * magnus_mobile wanders out into the sunshine and hopes to see everyone on good form on global bug squashing day!
11:49 thd gmcharlt_: are you with us?
11:48 nengard reporting now
11:48 nengard mtj - me too
11:48 thd bugs are everwhere eeek :)
11:48 mtj nengard: my hunch is totalissues column is buggy
11:47 thd Brooke: most likely
11:47 Brooke he might have a better bead on this
11:47 thd I am going to look for the source of the problem now.
11:47 Brooke thd talk to galen
11:46 magnus_mobile thd: noted
11:45 nengard or maybe items.issues
11:45 thd I may not always look at email but I almost always answer the telephone.
11:45 nengard mtj, any idea how to get totalissues - other than counting on the issues table?
11:45 thd My telephone number for similar big problems with the wiki +1 212-674-3783
11:44 mtj nengard: nor for me either - an unused column perhaps?
11:44 magnus_mobile maybe, not sure
11:44 thd magnus_mobile: Yes but I suspect that comes from installing an extension.
11:44 * magnus_mobile apologizes for slow typing on mobile phone
11:43 magnus_mobile thd: i think maybe the stuff that is now listed as categories
11:43 thd I am in the north and I had not had enough time for Koha during the winter.
11:42 magnus_mobile in the northern hemisphere, that is ;-)
11:42 thd magnus_mobile: Do you remember what was imported?
11:42 magnus_mobile yeah winterish
11:42 nengard it doesn't look like it on my system ...
11:42 nengard is biblioitem.totalissues populated?
11:42 nengard database/mysql question
11:42 magnus_mobile i seem to recall something was imported into the wiki. templates maybe? and then it happened...
11:41 Brooke cause I want to say it was that long...
11:41 thd magnus_mobile: Something must have changed as no one created those 'categories'.
11:41 Brooke winterish sound right to you Magnus?
11:41 magnus_mobile can't really remember...
11:41 thd magnus_mobile: exactly
11:40 thd magnus_mobile: do you have any better idea than a bazillion months ago?
11:40 magnus_mobile what is listed as categories are mostly not categories at all
11:40 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.log.html
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11:40 Brooke #endmeeting
11:40 Brooke oops
11:39 magnus_mobile Brooke: close the meeting with the bot?
11:39 thd It does still work currently except that there are extra categories which have been added by something which may have been installed.
11:39 Brooke ta da there are the words I lack
11:39 magnus_mobile or some plugin that turns the categories into a hierarchical list with checkboxes is not doing it's thing, to be precise
11:38 thd a bazillion months ago all was fine and I was using it regularly.
11:38 Brooke but that's a bit of a bear
11:38 Brooke you can sort of set them manually
11:38 Brooke a bazillion months ago
11:38 thd Brooke: When did you first notice a problem with setting the categories?
11:37 magnus_mobile yup, categories on the wiki are messed up
11:37 Brooke no skin off of my nose
11:37 thd Brooke: The uploading should be easy to fix.
11:37 * oleonard is off to work. bbl.
11:37 thd Brooke: You have identified a problem with uploading and categories on the wiki.
11:36 mtj thanx Brooke for chairing
11:36 magnus_mobile ta for chairing Brooke
11:36 thd Shifting by 6 hours each time may be something to consider in future.
11:36 Brooke ta for coming all :)
11:35 Brooke #agreed 3 August 0200 UTC
11:35 Brooke hearing nothing more brilliant
11:35 Brooke yep
11:35 kf so, dictator set the last #agreed :)
11:34 kf oh :(
11:34 Brooke and the iron fisted dictator says your ten minutes is just about up!
11:34 thd s/on holiday/on holiday and asleep/ # :)
11:34 kf more asleep than on holiday I woudl guess
11:34 kf yep
11:34 * magnus_mobile is on holiday now ;-)
11:34 Brooke Much of Europe will be asleep at that time :P
11:33 thd Much of Europe may be on holiday in early August so perhaps we would miss fewer people than usual.
11:33 magnus_mobile no objections, but i will probably not attend...
11:33 mtj +1
11:32 mtj no objections from me
11:32 thd 2 UTC is less desirable for more people than other times but my effort to find times which worked for everyone did not produce a great result.
11:32 mtj 3 Augu st 0200 UTC
11:32 Brooke objections to 3 August 2 UTC?
11:32 rangi ok, im off to sleep
11:32 Brooke so
11:31 kf slept through the last 4 am meeting...
11:31 kf yep for me :)
11:31 Brooke for kiwis, not so much :P
11:31 Brooke for you
11:31 kf 's an evil time
11:31 mtj rangi: ah - sorry, i thought the rule was add 8 hours
11:31 kf although it
11:30 kf ok, so I agree with rangi
11:30 rangi yeah that would be 0200
11:30 kf we are doing -8 instead of +8 it seems
11:30 kf whatever this is in utc
11:30 kf I think last was 20 for me, today is 12 - so should be 4 next
11:29 magnus_mobile +1
11:29 rangi but i dont mind either way
11:29 kf nope +1
11:29 rangi hmmm shouldnt it be 0200
11:29 Brooke any objections to 3 August 1800 UTC?
11:29 Brooke k
11:29 mtj no no! not saturday :)
11:29 Brooke thanks for toughing this out
11:28 Brooke cheers Bob
11:28 BobB I have to go. Thanks all. Good night.
11:28 mtj 3 August 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0
11:28 Brooke but if you're keen on Saturday I'll let you do it, just be aware that you will not be like to have any playmates
11:28 Brooke 3 August is that Wednesday
11:27 kf and time is 8 hours back I think
11:27 Brooke if you mean 6 August that is a Saturday
11:26 mtj i suggest '2011-08-06'
11:26 druthb Brooke++ #iron-fisted dictators.
11:25 magnus_mobile Brooke++
11:25 * druthb needs caffiene.
11:25 druthb +1 for ten-minute topic limits.
11:25 Brooke I am limiting time of discussion on this to ten minutes because I'm an iron fisted dictator.
11:24 Brooke k when next?
11:24 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting
11:23 Brooke random stuff goes here
11:23 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous
11:23 Brooke seeing none
11:22 magnus_mobile it's all on the wiki, i hope
11:22 thd kf: The intention is quite good with some more appropriate wording.
11:22 Brooke #topic Old Business
11:22 magnus_mobile not really
11:22 Brooke Anything to add magnus?
11:22 Brooke do eeet.
11:22 Brooke #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-07-08_Global_bug_squashing_day
11:22 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Day
11:21 thd kf: It is the 'usual cost' wording which would be especially difficult to sort internationally.
11:21 Brooke movin on from minutia
11:21 thd Yes, it is certainly a factor to consider.
11:20 Brooke I think most if not all of the conditions will be suggested
11:20 kf thd: I didn't say anything about distance - but we are an inernational group so it should not be too hard to get to the conference venue
11:20 Brooke I agree Bob
11:20 BobB Its a factor to consider, rather than a mandatory condition
11:20 thd kf: Proximity to an international airport may mean that the cost of accommodations would be relatively high.
11:19 kf thd: true, but good train connections might make up for that
11:19 mtj that EG conference page is fan tastic!
11:19 Brooke anything further to add to bidding procedure?
11:18 thd kf: Some worthy venues may be at a significant distance from an international airport.
11:18 Brooke another is fatigue
11:18 Brooke which is one of the reasons you rotate a conference venue
11:17 kf cost is too difficult, too hard to evaulate too
11:17 kf perhaps add something like international airport easy to reach?
11:17 kf no, too hard
11:16 thd The last requirement about transport cost obviously cannot be applied internationally.
11:16 Brooke I can flesh out some things to think over
11:16 magnus_mobile looks good
11:16 BobB yeah, its mostly pretty good.
11:16 thd kf ++
11:15 kf might not all apply for us, but perhaps a good starting point
11:14 Brooke #idea continue not to clash with EG if possible.
11:13 Brooke #link http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:conference_nominations
11:13 kf I think this was what I had in mind
11:13 kf http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:conference_nominations
11:12 kf searching...
11:12 BobB kf: good find.
11:12 kf I think Evergreen has a nice ilst
11:11 magnus_mobile one country can not host two years in a row is the only condition so far i think
11:11 BobB and only vote if you intend to personally attend (or at least try).
11:11 BobB Like only propose if you have an organising committee and resources to organise the event...
11:11 BobB I think there shoudl be some conditions ...
11:10 magnus_mobile not from me
11:10 thd Brooke: I had not understood that aspect of the proposal from magnus_mobile but I am fine with a 4 weeks voting period.
11:10 Brooke anything else for KohaCon12?
11:10 BobB .. and post the lists?
11:10 * magnus_mobile will update the wiki once he is on a proper 'puter
11:09 Brooke we shall be fine.
11:09 Brooke 4 were set
11:09 kf I think with setting up the survey we should have at least 3 weeks of time for voting
11:09 Brooke a month is more than enough time.
11:08 Brooke magnus++
11:08 mtj +1
11:08 thd Voting does require some period of time to ensure participation.
11:08 magnus_mobile yay!
11:08 kf +1
11:08 Brooke #agreed voting closes 1 October
11:08 BobB +1
11:08 Brooke seeing no objections
11:08 thd magnus_mobile +1
11:08 Brooke I'm gonna say so
11:07 magnus_mobile ?
11:07 magnus_mobile agreed on deadline for voting too
11:07 magnus_mobile yay!
11:07 Brooke anything else on KohaCon 12?
11:07 mtj nice ;)
11:06 Brooke #agreed proposals are due 1 September
11:06 mtj +1
11:06 kf +1
11:05 thd magnus_mobile +1
11:05 magnus_mobile anyone disagree?
11:05 Brooke magnus that sounds good to me
11:04 thd We should have proposals with sufficient time to vote a year on the question a year in advance of the event. However, we may not have quite managed that.
11:04 kf all asleep now? :)
11:03 kf sounds ok to me
11:03 magnus_mobile 1st september for the proposals, 1 month for voting?
11:01 jransom i'm going to slope off to bed folks - night all.
11:01 kf how long do we need for the poll?
11:01 magnus_mobile what's a reasonable deadline for proposals?
11:00 kf I thik the goal was to have the place and date ready at kohacon11?
10:59 magnus_mobile deadlines for proposals and voting
10:59 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12
10:58 magnus_mobile i added some points to the wiki page for this meeting
10:58 magnus_mobile that' what i think we need to set...
10:58 kf if not we should perhaps set one so we can move on to have a poll at some point
10:57 kf for kohacon2012?
10:57 kf is there a deadline for the proposals?
10:57 kf we should probably use #action for this or #agreed (next time)
10:57 Brooke #topic kohacon 2012
10:57 jransom yup
10:57 thd I hope we are :)
10:57 druthb completely.
10:56 Brooke are we exhausted on this?
10:56 Brooke k #agreed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category_talk:KohaCon11 for new abstracts in addition to the VPM site. 2 signoffs as with a bug will approve an abstract.
10:56 * magnus_mobile agreed with thd
10:56 BobB 6. Bobb will issue second call for sponsors.
10:55 rangi mtj: kohacon11 (not 12 yet)
10:55 jransom so 4: use wiki as well as
10:55 thd However, deferring to whomever is doing the hard work locally is reasonable.
10:55 mtj i think we should switch to the kc.org wiki, until the kohacon12 website is stable
10:55 kf hm, that will make the process open to everyone - not sure it's a problem if an abstract is rejected?
10:55 Brooke yup you have reservations or yup you're agreeing with thd?
10:55 druthb thd++
10:55 jransom 5. ANyone thinking of submitting an abstract please do so asap
10:55 magnus_mobile yup
10:54 thd People should be encouraged to use the wiki more in fact.
10:54 thd The wiki should be available as a fallback for anything.
10:54 Brooke anyone OPPOSED to using the wiki as a fallback at this point?
10:54 jransom 5, what else?
10:53 jransom 4. failing that / (or as well?) we will use community wiki?
10:53 Brooke it's a bug between the keyboard and the monitor.
10:53 Brooke not a software bug
10:53 jransom 3. slef will fix the bug in the website software
10:52 jransom 2. programme organisers will fill gaps with recruited speakers
10:52 Brooke great thank you hdl
10:52 jransom 1. we will develop programme from abstracts
10:52 hdl Biblibre Will submit some papers on solr and latest developments.
10:51 Brooke please
10:51 jransom shall we list decisions
10:51 jransom o folks
10:51 rangi the kind of conferences that demand full papers = conferences i dont attend
10:51 rangi i never even write a paper :)
10:51 jransom oh ok - i was being modest :)
10:50 magnus_mobile jransom: sure you can ;-)
10:50 kf normally they select only a few presentations for a publication
10:50 jransom i have twice: natinal library board of singapore and VALA
10:50 druthb I have, but only once.
10:50 hdl oh jransom of course you can :D
10:50 kf me neither
10:50 rangi ive never submitted a written paper
10:50 Brooke no but I can ;)
10:50 jransom i cant talk for 3 days though:)
10:50 jransom lol
10:50 Brooke at very least, we've a cherry of a keynote speaker.
10:49 jransom ok. lets take that approach - kmkale might be relieved
10:49 Brooke but you build the programme on abstracts, not papers.
10:49 slef (back in 70)
10:49 slef bbl sorry
10:49 Brooke if it's the latter, you do the full paper
10:49 Brooke or "Hey, this is cool."
10:49 Brooke someone goes "Hey this sucks!"
10:49 Brooke you submit an abstract
10:48 Brooke kf that is generally how conferences work
10:48 slef kf++
10:48 thd yes it is.
10:48 Brooke which at this point is quite rapidly approaching.
10:48 thd OK
10:48 jransom out from conference
10:48 Brooke from conference
10:48 thd jransom: 2 or 3 weeks from when?
10:47 * Brooke nods.
10:47 jransom a set date - 2 or 3 weeks out is reasonable. would allow time for printing / burning on usb drives etc
10:46 kf so people know they will speak and when and how long...
10:46 thd jransom: Some people who are uncertain of attendance may submit full written papers without actually attending.
10:46 kf perhaps the written papers could be demanded once the program is set?
10:46 jransom (slack Kiwi's letting the side down :)
10:45 jransom ok. so rocking up with a presenation the day before is not going to cut it :)
10:45 Brooke he's stated that he's done so twice.
10:45 Brooke that is *the* last step
10:45 slef I need to ask kmkale if there's a nice way to contact reviewers
10:45 thd jransom: kmkale may be hoping to prepare a book of conference papers as is customary for many types of conferences.
10:44 slef Brooke: I'm reviewing abstracts and have set ocs to work that way now (since last week)
10:43 slef I've reviewed 2 abstracts, had nothing further from authors, I need to chase.
10:43 thd Ahhh....
10:43 jransom OMG - is he expe ting a written paper from me?
10:43 Brooke kmkale is waiting on full papers over abstracts which frankly is not how conferences work.
10:43 slef yeah I thought 7 Brooke
10:43 thd Brooke: Is that a humans in the system bug?
10:43 jransom my post asking for ideas hasnt generated any new ideas
10:43 Brooke there are at least 8 when I could last see what was submitted
10:42 Brooke the bug is that papers have been sitting in purgatory for months on end at this point.
10:42 thd slef: Fixing the bug maybe easier and then we have everything in one place.
10:42 slef but there's only a few papers submitted so far
10:42 BobB #action: I'll put another call for sponsors on the list
10:42 BobB more papers (in a programme) and more sponsors.
10:42 BobB I think logistics are OK at this early stage. What's needed is:
10:42 slef Erm, or report the bug. I'll read scrollback later see if we need to act
10:42 jransom and can someone copy submitted abstracts over?
10:41 jransom i second that
10:41 thd I think we should propose the wiki as an alternative for where the current software in use is failing.
10:41 Brooke 2 signoffs that aren't theirs, like a bug
10:41 Brooke I have suggested that anyone with an unreviewed abstract move it to the wiki for approval
10:40 slef not yet. need more suggestions is the biggest need
10:40 Brooke MJ any insight on the programme?
10:39 jransom MJ's here :)
10:39 jransom yay:
10:39 jransom will we use the koha community wiki to advance the programme?
10:39 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop, still in another meeting
10:39 Brooke hopefully someone else *hint you* will sign off as well.
10:39 thd There should be no need for worse.
10:39 Brooke I will review abstracts to the wiki that are not my own.
10:38 jransom :)
10:38 Brooke worse comes to worst, unconference in Vihang's Inn :D
10:38 thd BobB: One person maybe a little too little for local planning without delegation to others..
10:38 * Brooke doesn't care if there's a proper committee, but there better be someone on the ground that is seeing to things.
10:38 jransom i agree. but having booked and paid I not willing to take a chance on it getting organised
10:37 jransom just need a programme!
10:37 jransom time, date, place and attendees all sorted
10:37 rangi if you bid to host it, you better organise it too :-)
10:37 rangi yeah thats the thing lacking, and maybe something we need to make sure is understood for kohacon12 proposals
10:37 thd BobB: I think that is the problem
10:37 jransom Bob: It really isnt that hard to pull this together now
10:36 BobB Everyone's busy. But there doesn't seem to be a local committee. Just Koustabha.
10:36 jransom so whose up for taking charge of the programme: MJRay plus who? Brooke? Shelley?
10:36 thd :)
10:35 jransom +1
10:35 rangi and stop talking :)
10:35 rangi my only comment is i think kohacon11 has had about 20 more meetings than kohacon10 had ... time to start just doing
10:35 jransom and just get it done
10:35 jransom We really should aim to put together a strong programme if possible: do we have a small group prepared to take charge of this?
10:35 mtj hmm. ah ok...
10:34 Brooke don't think they were deleted, think they were moved.
10:34 mtj perhaps the KohaCon12 website admins could check no submissions were deleted from database backups
10:34 BobB It was announced on list before the weekend, iirc
10:33 BobB the next KohaCon11 meeting! :)
10:33 jransom so we could add the submitted abstracts to that list
10:33 Brooke BobB there's a poll for what in particular?
10:32 Brooke have a look over at #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category_talk:KohaCon11
10:32 BobB There's a poll
10:31 jransom sounds proactive
10:31 Brooke we mock a programme up from there
10:31 Brooke 2 people sign off on each abstract
10:31 thd BobB: When is the next KohaCon meeting?
10:31 Brooke I am tempted to propose that authors resubmit abstracts to the wiki
10:30 Brooke I wonder if we oughtn't be redundant at this point
10:30 BobB I just read the discussion so far. Kmkale is an apology. At the KohaCon meeting he foreshadowed that he had another commitment and would not be here tonight.
10:30 jransom no - hes walking somewhere off a train
10:30 mtj heya BobB :p
10:29 thd slef seems not to be here
10:29 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
10:29 BobB Hi mtj
10:29 jransom MJRay - who is not here yet
10:29 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions
10:29 mtj #info mason james. kohaaloha, nz
10:28 oleonard Not mtj, slef
10:28 * Brooke thinks unoffical + done > official + not done.
10:28 jransom ok. MJ : are you willing to be a benevolent dictator to get this show on the road?
10:27 Brooke but I'm not sure that's official
10:27 Brooke last I checked MJ Ray
10:27 jransom who is in charge of programme?
10:26 BobB #info BobB
10:26 Brooke I think we're just about fine were everything in the queue approved, but that'd be a faulty assumption, as everything in queue might not be great. However, I don't have reservations at this point about filling time slots.
10:26 jransom maybe we need to set the programme ie what we want presented then recruit presenters?
10:25 Brooke no problem Bob
10:25 BobB Hi #koha - just joining the meeting now. Sorry I'm late.
10:25 jransom so 11 in total
10:25 Brooke I think there are about 8 in the queue, but I can't seem to see what I once saw on the site
10:25 jransom how many more submitted?
10:25 mtj were they accidentally deleted?
10:24 thd Brooke: all the way down to purgatory?
10:24 jransom is that all so far?
10:24 Brooke that were then taken down...
10:24 Brooke we had three approved abstracts
10:24 jransom brooke / mj: do you know the state of the prpgramme?
10:23 jransom and website
10:23 jransom so i think its programme really
10:23 Brooke some of the features meant to make things run smoother are causing abstract purgatory
10:23 jransom heya mj
10:23 jransom regsitarnts: good : (150 last count)
10:23 * mtj waves
10:23 mtj hi peoples
10:23 Brooke to me, the sticky bit is the website
10:23 jransom programme: have we enough abstracts?
10:23 jransom dates - sorted
10:22 jransom venue = sorted
10:22 Brooke if you've volunteered to approve a paper, please do check your queue
10:22 jransom do we know what the sticky bits are:
10:22 Brooke #help find other parties in India to assist kmkale with organising
10:22 jransom someone should phone him up
10:21 thd Perhaps he thought we would sort the arrangements without him if he did not appear.
10:21 thd Maybe he needs an extra reminder about these meetings and his intention of shifting.
10:21 Brooke 0/
10:20 jransom and he is concerned at lack of attendance at planning meetings - hence shifting it here
10:19 Brooke which is rather mystifying given it's a cherry of a time for Mumbai...
10:19 Brooke no kmkale
10:18 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011
10:18 Brooke that brings us to
10:18 Brooke righto
10:17 rangi thats about all i have, nothing new to report
10:17 magnus_mobile yay!
10:16 Brooke #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
10:16 rangi Work is progressing nicely, http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ already a pile of stuff for 3.6.0 in master, and more to go in
10:15 Brooke the original Chris.
10:15 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
10:14 Brooke anything at all on 3.4, other than stating it's been nice to see somewhat regular releases continue on? :)
10:14 Brooke 0/
10:13 rangi not my baby anymore
10:12 Brooke nuffin to say?
10:12 rangi thats chris_n too
10:12 Brooke Chris :D
10:12 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4
10:12 Brooke well that was simple :)
10:12 rangi nope
10:11 Brooke anything burning to discuss about 3.2?
10:11 rangi nope
10:10 Brooke not movin' at this hour anyway, yes?
10:10 hdl #info Henri-Damien LAURENT
10:10 Brooke ta
10:10 rangi thats chris_n anyway
10:10 Brooke no hdl
10:10 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.2
10:09 Brooke speak now or forever lurk in peace.
10:07 magnus_mobile #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:07 jransom (Connor is my son - observing how koha irc meetings work)
10:06 jransom #info Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ
10:06 jransom #info
10:05 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RM 3.6
10:05 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
10:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:05 jransom Joann Ransom HLT, NZ
10:05 Brooke please state who ye be with a #info tag
10:05 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:05 Brooke #topic Introductions
10:04 Brooke Haere Mae, Haere Mae, Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting!
10:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
10:04 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 6 10:04:16 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:04 Brooke #startmeeting
10:04 Brooke righto
10:04 kf yep, please do
10:04 Brooke cause that was a special circumstance
10:04 Brooke but I'm more than happy to
10:04 Brooke not so cait is also experienced :P
10:04 thd Yes, Brooke is the only experienced driver.
10:03 Brooke a yep
10:03 magnus_mobile isn't there a meeting now?
10:03 Brooke who's driving this bus?
10:03 Brooke 0/
10:02 magnus_mobile hiya jransom
10:00 jransom heya magnus
09:56 kf oh, hope it's not too hard
09:55 Brooke pullin' a Cormack
09:55 magnus_mobile vacation is good, but forgot my laptop so is on mobile phone. will get it tomorrow
09:47 kf how is vacation? :)
09:47 kf hi magnuse
09:41 alex_a good idea
09:41 alex_a kf: oh yes i just understand what you mean :)
09:41 alex_a i have to check xml file
09:40 alex_a install is done yet
09:40 kf or you could do a fresh install somewhere and activate it during install - see what it does
09:40 kf alex_a: have you checked the xml file?
09:39 Brooke hey, it's what you have Librarians for ;)
09:39 alex_a :p
09:39 alex_a google ? i don't know
09:37 Brooke SRU servers conf site:koha-community.org through google ;)
09:36 alex_a i found lot of documentations about using/quering SRU but not about enabling ...
09:36 Brooke listen options to listen on a tcp port if it's the same as 3.x
09:36 alex_a what to change in the koha-conf.xml file
09:35 alex_a kf: yes, it's what i want to know about
09:34 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SimpleServer_as_a_Z39.50/SRU_Server_Test_Queries_for_Koha_with_Solr/Lucene
09:34 Brooke I've summat on test queries
09:33 kf alex_a: I think if you didn't activate it during install you might have to change your conf xml file?
09:33 kf alex_a: seemed to work he was quite happy with it
09:32 Brooke don't think you can consult unwritten documentation but lemme see
09:32 Brooke same here, alex
09:32 kf ouch
09:32 Brooke very early is 3 ;)
09:32 kf alex_a: not sure there is documentation, I know my coworker tested it though
09:32 jransom NZ
09:32 jransom oh thats very early for you, very late for us
09:31 alex_a Does anyone know where i can find documentation about enabling SRU servers on koha ?
09:30 Brooke the US can ttfu.
09:30 kf us = US
09:30 kf must be quite early for us?
09:30 kf I think we didn't have a lot of meetings at this time
09:29 kf this time feels kind of weird
09:29 Brooke heh good on ye
09:29 kf :)
09:29 jransom cool - hat means i did time conversion correctly this time too
09:28 slef train arriving... biab
09:28 slef hi :)
09:28 slef yeah, so I may be walking across town then
09:28 kf morning slef
09:28 kf if I did the time conversion correctly
09:27 kf 30 mins
09:27 slef I may be a few mins late. how long to go?
09:24 kf :)
09:15 Brooke ahoy cait
09:14 jransom hey babe
09:13 kf hi all
09:03 Brooke 0/
09:01 jransom heya
09:00 Brooke howdy miss
08:59 jransom evening all
08:53 * Brooke is alt tabbed.
08:35 Brooke hoo ra!
07:12 kf morning #koha
06:40 reiveune hello
06:39 sophie_m hi #koha
06:36 julian hello #koha
06:30 Oak :)
06:30 Oak heh
06:30 alex_a bonjour Monsieur Oak :)
06:30 wahanui i already had it that way, koha.
06:30 koha The issue is if I want to do criculation (check out or check in) there will be an error in Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2829.
06:29 koha I have a typical issue let me know if any one come across following issue this observed after the upgrade to 3.4 from 3.00
06:28 koha hi
06:23 cait or write to the mailing list
06:23 Oak Bonjour Monsieur alex_a
06:23 cait koha: perhapy try to ask around later - I have to leave for work
06:23 cait hi alex_a
06:19 alex_a hi there !
06:19 koha ok how do I do that? I am a beginner to Koha
06:17 cait I think I would check the marcxml field to see if the 952 fields have really been removed
06:14 koha but rebuild zebra worked
06:14 koha yes cait
06:14 cait so you are not sure if it worked correctly?
06:13 cait sorry, caps lock
06:13 cait HM
06:12 koha but got uninitalization warning with m//
06:12 koha yes I did remove item script
06:11 cait hi francharb
06:11 francharb hello
06:10 cait have you run the scrpt to remove your items from the xml?
06:10 koha Thanks in advance
06:10 koha but actal action happens, i tested this by refershing it again i works. I an not sure why that error is coming? Can anybody help on this.
06:09 koha The issue is if I want to do criculation (check out or check in) there will be an error in Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2829.
06:08 koha I have a typical problem faced after upgrade to Koha 3.4 from 3.00
06:07 koha hi
05:57 Oak :)
05:57 cait Salam Oak
05:57 Oak Guten Morgen Miss cait
05:57 cait morning
05:39 rao knock...knock....
05:38 rao Or some problem with my subscription?
05:37 rao Some issues?
05:37 rao Hi, No mails from lists.katipo.co.nz these days? Is it true?
04:40 Oak use alarm
04:39 Brooke hopefull I will wake up in time
04:39 Oak sleep well Brooke
04:39 Brooke I *think* I'm gonna go to sleep
04:36 Brooke I would do it meself, but I can't mess with the webpage.
04:36 Brooke thanks :)
04:36 Brooke but not from the first bit ;)
04:36 rangi fixed the sql reports link
04:36 Brooke yes
04:36 Oak http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library works
04:36 Brooke but not a very sechsy wiki page atm
04:36 Brooke might want to point the documentation link at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
04:34 Brooke but it 404s.
04:34 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
04:34 Brooke should prolly point here:
04:34 Brooke Contributing your custom reports
04:34 Brooke http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-librarians/
04:34 Oak kia ora to thee dear Brooke !
04:33 Brooke kia ora
04:30 rangi sleep well
04:30 * druthb staggers off to bed.
04:29 druthb rangi++
04:12 Oak Hello druthb :)
04:09 druthb Hi, Oak.
04:05 * Oak waves
01:28 Brooke hey o bobo
01:28 Brooke welcome back
01:28 rangi back
01:24 * druthb blinks
01:20 Brooke I suspect there's some sort of rule that when I'm reading an article entitled Salbutamol improves diaphragm force generation in experimental sepsis for fun, I should prolly be doing medical indexing...
01:18 druthb Two go-lives and a test.
01:18 * Brooke has druthb's number.
01:18 druthb how'd you know I've got three in the works this week, Brooke?
01:17 druthb hee hee...
01:15 Brooke (Or more like just working on ANOTHER migration.)
01:15 Brooke (She's really paying ice cream vendors to say scandalous things.)
01:13 druthb ....and yeah, this is normally when I buzz off and go meet Brooke for dinner or take a snooze or something.
01:11 druthb when I ran that script with about 130K bibs, it ran for a skosh under three hours IIRC. So you have some time to kill.
01:10 Brooke so you've comfortably a few hours to burn, methinks ;P
01:09 Brooke this is normally the super sekrit loading bar time in which druthb screws about with a certain resident of the Commonwealth.
01:09 druthb oh. Then Don't Do That, the doctor said.
01:09 Brooke go to Ocean City. Play skeeball. Come back.
01:09 library_systems_guy lol
01:09 library_systems_guy well...its running in the emacs dumb terminal...so i can't really read it very well
01:08 druthb It should be running a counter...I program those.
01:08 * Brooke crosses her fingers for ya.
01:07 library_systems_guy i can't tell where its at...its making me nervous
01:07 library_systems_guy lol
01:06 Brooke How many records? If less than X, then it's problematic :P
01:06 druthb It's got a lot to do, splicing in the items and all.
01:05 library_systems_guy and yeah i had to up the ram on my vm to 4 gigs to process it
01:05 Brooke ha, see I *do* think in a flowchart?
01:05 library_systems_guy yeah that one
01:05 druthb the builder? Yeah, that one might run that long.
01:05 library_systems_guy lol
01:05 library_systems_guy close enough i suppose
01:05 Brooke that would be a bazillion, no?
01:05 library_systems_guy 450K
01:05 druthb which one? Shouldn't take that long, unless you've a bazillion recs.
01:05 Brooke how many records?
01:04 library_systems_guy druthb: that biblio script has been running since lunch lol
01:02 Brooke but I buckled down and had one for ye ;)
01:02 Brooke it was torture of the worst sort
01:02 Brooke a yep
01:02 Brooke lib dude: that is NOT pleasant
01:02 library_systems_guy Brooke: needles and blood
01:02 Space_Librarian Brooke: did you have a piece for me?
01:01 Brooke hope it was summat pleasant
01:01 Brooke what did you pass out from?
01:01 Brooke holy smokes
01:01 library_systems_guy thanks druthb
01:01 library_systems_guy indeed
01:01 * Brooke made a mean pizza.
01:01 Brooke howdy miss
01:01 druthb library_systems_guy: hope you're okay now!
01:01 druthb hi, brooke.
01:00 library_systems_guy apparently that is frowned upon
01:00 library_systems_guy you end up missing a lot of programming the day you pass out
01:00 library_systems_guy indeed it is
01:00 Space_Librarian library_systems_guy: that's inconvenient
00:59 Space_Librarian library_systems_guy: shoot
00:59 library_systems_guy sorry for being random and off topic
00:58 * library_systems_guy discovered that he passes out at the sight of needles today
00:50 druthb oooh...here's a goodie: "Politeness and consideration for others is like investing pennies and getting dollars back." --Thomas Sowell
00:49 druthb the serials data may be a little messy, but the monographs are simple simon.
00:46 Space_Librarian so far... :)
00:44 druthb At least the MARC data is plausible and pretty straightforward. so far, anyway.
00:35 druthb its' developers seem to think it's the best thing since the library book, but I don't see how they made any money on it.
00:33 druthb I couldn't find a place to request a patron listing report!
00:32 Space_Librarian that sounds like a d-grade movie
00:32 druthb Nasty thing. I'd not ever seen it before.
00:32 druthb "CyberTools for Libraries."
00:31 Space_Librarian what's worse?
00:31 druthb I'm never too big to admit when I'm wrong. SirsiDynix Unicorn is *not* the worst user interface I've ever seen, any more.
00:28 * druthb returns, washing her hands with some strong soap to get the icky feel of the other ILS off.
00:18 * rangi wanders off to meet chilts for lunch