Time  Nick                Message
23:57 * druthb            ducks into a VPN to go raid data...back in a bit.
23:51 Brooke              since I predict individual Libraries not signing
23:51 Space_Librarian     and they said they'll review the answers
23:51 Brooke              they've set themselves up for a long term loss
23:50 Space_Librarian     we asked
23:50 Brooke              in any case
23:50 Space_Librarian     they won't tell us
23:50 Space_Librarian     not really
23:50 Brooke              one might rally a MP to investigate this through your Accountability folks
23:50 Space_Librarian     it didn't fit what the considered to be normal
23:50 chilts              so that's _one_ technical aspect, they must have had more?
23:50 Brooke              if one wanted to be nasty
23:49 Brooke              teh ohnoes the product exceeds expectations
23:49 chilts              hmm, weird
23:49 Space_Librarian     they just couldn't comprehend it
23:48 rangi               what she said
23:48 Space_Librarian     their rfp couldn't handle an lms with an integrated discovery layer
23:48 rangi               they wanted a discovery layer seperate to the ILS
23:47 chilts              I get the gist, but I guess they had specifics
23:47 chilts              so how do you mean 'too advanced'?
23:47 Space_Librarian     :)
23:47 chilts              heh, cool! :)
23:47 rangi               but at least i can meet you for lunch now chilts :)
23:47 Space_Librarian     yep
23:47 rangi               yup
23:47 chilts              was that the one rangi was at too?
23:47 chilts              Space_Librarian: doesn't sound good :(
23:46 Space_Librarian     in a nutshell
23:46 Space_Librarian     Koha was too advanced for their RFP
23:46 Space_Librarian     well, put it this way
23:46 mtj                 Space_Librarian: whats the general story-so-far?
23:46 Brooke              disregard that.
23:46 Brooke              oh right, terroristic threats are illegal
23:45 Brooke              I'll swap your National Library for LOC
23:45 Space_Librarian     we've just come back from the kōtui debrief
23:44 * druthb            has clearly missed something
23:42 Space_Librarian     I have never been more appalled by the behaviour of a national library. ever. It was an embarassment to the profession.
23:38 Brooke              how am I cooking pizza without you glued to my window?
23:38 rangi               thanks
23:38 Brooke              0/
23:37 druthb              hi, Brooke.  wb, rangi. :)
23:32 rangi               that was ... something
23:32 rangi               back
23:32 Brooke              kia ora
23:30 druthb              o/
22:49 bg                  heh
22:49 bg                  yup
22:46 wizzyrea            heya, you about?
21:54 Brooke              ha!
21:54 jcamins_away        The password dialog was blocking the part of the page that said "here's the password."
21:53 Brooke              we must know for future use :P
21:53 wizzyrea            rhcl I think it takes it out of the search results
21:53 Brooke              cat's name?
21:53 jcamins_away        Oh, there we go.
21:53 wizzyrea            admin?
21:53 Brooke              p4sswd?
21:53 rhcl                what does it mean for a staged record to be "cleaned"
21:52 jcamins_away        Argh! I forgot the password for my printer.
21:50 Brooke              there should be quite a bit on the listservs about that
21:50 rhcl                So wouldn't that be a good thing--to nuke 'em? Would it be hard to do? The sysadmin in me says just do #rm -f poolbatchfile.rec.
21:49 rhcl                So when you import a batch of records into the db, they go into a pool or batch. And after you process them you can clean them, but they apparently don't ever get deleted and go away to /dev/null.
21:49 Brooke              stuff away!
21:49 rhcl                Hate to open the oven door and make the pizza go flat, but I wanna talk about stuff.
21:49 Brooke              I anticipate mercilessly botching that receipt since it's a baked good, BUT at least I'll not be able to blame the raisins.
21:47 Brooke              and I was like, guess who's comin' home
21:47 Brooke              saw those gold babies
21:46 Brooke              Sevan :)
21:46 Brooke              I got my pound from the Turkish Bakery in Watertown MA
21:46 Brooke              didn't dare even start that with stupid SunMaid junk.
21:46 Brooke              http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2011/05/mums-sultana-cake.html
21:45 Brooke              I have a source for the sultanas.
21:43 wizzyrea            i have a giant tub of quinoa in my fridge, just waiting to be mixed with stuff
21:43 jcamins_away        Mmm.
21:43 wizzyrea            I was going to make it with quinoa though
21:43 wizzyrea            it does have couscous in it I think
21:43 jcamins_away        wizzyrea: but, "Just add Sabra"... shouldn't that be about Israeli couscous?
21:43 rangi               bbiab
21:43 rangi               righto meetings
21:42 jcamins_away        wizzyrea: I know.
21:42 wizzyrea            nah, it's a brand of hummus
21:39 * jcamins_away      didn't follow the link, just guessing based on the title.
21:39 jcamins_away        wizzyrea: Israeli couscous?
21:39 * jcamins_away      uses regular yeast, or a sourdough starter, and a *very* hot oven.
21:38 rangi               heh
21:38 wizzyrea            but uh, enjoy that.
21:38 wizzyrea            oh bother
21:38 Brooke              but mostly since I can't find the bloody pizza yeast I used to use back in the day anywhere anymore
21:38 wizzyrea            http://www.hungryhungryhippie.com/just-add-sabra/
21:38 Brooke              little flavour, too
21:37 Brooke              a yep
21:37 jcamins_away        Brooke: using the beer for leavening?
21:36 Brooke              I practiced on the sly at Rosa's but it wasn't the same.
21:36 Brooke              I should practice my tossing if the little mister isn't about
21:34 wizzyrea            easy :)
21:34 wizzyrea            !
21:34 * Brooke            is mixing up beer based pizza dough. How hard can it be?
21:30 Space_Librarian     bye cait
21:30 Brooke              jeez, first I trip over the power cord to the Interwebs, now I make larryb leave. I can't do anything properly.
21:30 rangi               cya cait
21:30 Brooke              night babe
21:29 cait                bye all :)
21:29 cait                time to leave for me too - sleep
21:27 cait                oh
21:27 rangi               you made him leave!!!
21:27 wizzyrea            it's beeping him probably and annoying I bet.
21:27 wizzyrea            oh yea larryb++
21:26 cait                :)
21:24 rangi               heh
21:24 Brooke              larryb++
21:24 Brooke              ten's not enough!
21:24 huginn              druthb: Karma for "larryb" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10.
21:24 druthb              @karma larryb
21:23 druthb              It's a karma-storm!
21:23 cait                larryb++ :)
21:23 larryb              Ah, shucks. I'm blushing.
21:22 rangi               larryb++ #hes good people
21:22 rangi               yep
21:22 druthb              larryb++ #painless NEKLS upgrade
21:22 druthb              hi, wizzyrea!
21:21 rangi               heya druthb
21:21 Brooke              painless upgrades++
21:20 cait                :)
21:20 wizzyrea            it's one of the little things my librarians have squeed over after our completely painless upgrade over the weekend
21:20 * druthb            waves to rangi
21:20 rangi               wizzyrea: i cant remember who did that it is cool though
21:15 ibeardslee          ahh good ol' translate.google.com
21:14 Brooke              mmmm ANZAC biccies.
21:14 * druthb            nibbles on it.
21:13 * cait              hands you a schokokeks
21:13 cait                hi druthb :)
21:13 Space_Librarian     \o
21:12 druthb              o/
21:09 wizzyrea            who added the lovely green and red in the fines interface? that was a great idea
21:08 wizzyrea            I've been meaning to make those from jo's recipe
21:08 wizzyrea            ooooo
21:08 * Space_Librarian   passes around some ANZAC cookies
21:08 Space_Librarian     cait: nom!
21:07 cait                :)
21:06 Space_Librarian     morning wizzyrea
21:06 wizzyrea            mornin Space_Librarian
21:06 Brooke              cait you had me at hello, but the schokokekse helps ;)
21:06 Space_Librarian     morning cait
21:06 * cait              sends some schokokekse
21:05 cait                morning Space_Librarian
21:03 cait                hi Brooke :)
21:01 Brooke              :D
21:00 rangi               heya Brooke
20:58 Brooke              kia ora!
20:54 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6305: receiving serials does not create items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2fa6c893cb4ad8e57ec0f83fdcb90aed75f2507> / Bug 6305: Copy enumchron into created serial item <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad26a21056560f40627e9fc027bdb3f6fcbc9b25> / Bug 6305: Subscriptions can not be edited <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b
20:47 cait                it looks great
20:43 wizzyrea            which I commend them for
20:42 wizzyrea            i.e. a lot of work
20:42 wizzyrea            but they can translate the posts into their wp manually
20:42 wizzyrea            I think it's wp, certainly looks like wp
20:42 cait                hm static pages, no wordpress?
20:41 wizzyrea            manually
20:41 wizzyrea            I think they may have just translated the posts
20:41 rangi               yup, you can of course change it, but yes it does choose that by default
20:41 cait                wizzyrea ?
20:40 cait                druthb told when you have a 942$c (itemtype - right?) it will autofill this in for new items you create
20:40 wizzyrea            i'm not sure that it's not just a full translation
20:40 rangi               i dunno
20:40 cait                how did they do it? the translation?
20:40 rangi               yeah ti doesnt totally break things, just sometimes does in unexpected places
20:39 cait                oh cool
20:39 bg                  I mean I know it used to be
20:39 bg                  rangi - I'm not totally sure that 942c is required - at least it doesn't seem to totally break things without it
20:39 rangi               yup
20:39 cait                is the spanish website available now?
20:38 cait                :)
20:38 wizzyrea            cait! Hi :D
20:38 nengard             hiya
20:38 cait                hi rangi, nengard and wizzyrea :)
20:38 nengard             thought so :)
20:38 rangi               yes nengard
20:37 wizzyrea            spanish_speaking_kohackers++
20:37 wizzyrea            tcohen++
20:37 nengard             is 942c required by Koha to be filled in?
20:33 rangi               hiya cait
20:32 cait                hi #koha
20:24 rangi               not sure who else
20:24 rangi               tcohen++
20:24 wizzyrea            to*
20:24 * wizzyrea          doesn't know who to give karma too.
20:24 wizzyrea            srsly yay.
20:23 wizzyrea            using_consistent_themes++
20:23 * wizzyrea          cheers
20:22 rangi               http://es.koha-community.org/
20:22 huginn              nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 32.1�C (3:40 PM EDT on July 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
20:22 nengard             @wunder 19030
20:22 huginn              rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on July 06, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady).
20:22 rangi               @wunder wellington nz
20:17 rangi               back
20:07 rangi               my stop bbiab
19:52 wizzyrea            LOL?
19:52 wahanui             i think TT is Template::Toolkit
19:52 wizzyrea            TT?
19:52 wizzyrea            i like him for things like this
19:51 wizzyrea            lol @ the third one
19:51 jcamins             :D
19:51 wahanui             you are probably supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications
19:51 jcamins             wahanui: jcamins?
19:51 * jcamins           likes wahanui
19:50 wizzyrea            i like him
19:50 rangi               if ppl are gonna bitch about wahanui ill happily turn it off
19:25 rhcl                I propose we put wahanui and zebra on a closed network circuit, setup an recursive endless ping flood between them, and let them annihilate each other.
19:02 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6556] The popup menu in the Z39.50 search results doesn't point to the correct record. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6556>
18:17 Brooke              welcome back owen
17:58 nengard             :)
17:57 Brooke              wb nengard
17:46 jcamins             To the extent that the change makes any sense, I mean.
17:46 jcamins             Does my latest addition to the jQuery library make sense?
17:45 Brooke              0/
17:37 jcamins             hdl: yes, I know. That was really more of a rhetorical question, to express my frustration at the format's silliness.
17:36 hdl                 well the format of the icu chain and DOM is something a company from the north could answer on.
17:35 * jcamins           hopes it doesn't have an insulting meaning.
17:35 * jcamins           suspects that "schema" means something else in French.
17:35 jcamins             The contents are sensible. However, it's basically a text file with lots of angle braces.
17:34 jcamins             Not the contents of the file, but the format.
17:34 jcamins             Yeah.
17:34 hdl                 which icu schema ? the one i sent you ?
17:34 jcamins             hdl: the format in general. We're looking at getting it working for biblios, too.
17:34 hdl                 DOM indexing for authorities ?
17:33 jcamins             hdl: yes. The DOM indexing configuration schema and the ICU schema are both ridiculous.
17:33 hdl                 who came up with the Zebra XML schemata???
17:33 Brooke              the druthb comment.
17:32 hdl                 jcamins: ?
17:32 jcamins             Brooke: huh?
17:32 Brooke              he said it to like *everyone* in line.
17:32 Brooke              I insist that was the dude's standard bit.
17:31 Brooke              heh
17:31 jcamins             [off] Probably the practical joker who came up with the MARCXML schema. XML should not be used as a verbose way of writing a text file.
17:31 * druthb            falls out of her chair.
17:30 wahanui             you are Brooke's sugar mama!
17:30 druthb              wahanui: druthb?
17:30 druthb              lolz
17:30 wahanui             Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet
17:30 druthb              wahanui: Brooke?
17:30 jcamins             Okay, who came up with the Zebra XML schemata?
17:27 jcamins             Brooke: he has <reply>
17:27 Brooke              at that rate he might disobey Asimov's rules...
17:27 Brooke              apparently he's above self depricating humour
17:27 wahanui             Brooke?
17:27 Brooke              wahanui?
17:27 Brooke              wahanui is a naughty bot.
17:27 wahanui             Brooke?
17:27 Brooke              wahanui?
17:25 wahanui             adnc: excuse me?
17:25 adnc                wahanui: ping
17:25 wizzyrea            but is <reply>
17:25 wizzyrea            forget but
17:25 wahanui             Brooke: I forgot but
17:25 Brooke              wahanui forget but
17:25 Brooke              oops
17:25 Brooke              whanaui forget but
17:25 Brooke              bots say the funniest things :D
17:24 Brooke              ha!
17:24 Brooke              one package ++
17:24 wahanui             but is he still alive because he's a human and the book allowed him to survive the zombies, or because he's a zombie and the book spread useful (to him) misinformation among the humans?
17:24 adnc                but?
17:23 hdl                 we could build one package...
17:23 hdl                 solr is not debian packaged any longer at the moment. But
17:23 sekjal              I believe that 3.4 works with packaging...
17:23 sekjal              ah
17:23 adnc                i mean 3.4
17:23 adnc                3.4
17:22 sekjal              adnc:  there is no Koha 4 yet
17:22 adnc                does someone have any news in terms of koha 4 and debian packages?
17:22 hdl                 thunderbird solr you can install on your own
17:22 Brooke              kia ora
17:22 hdl                 sekjal: come on...
17:21 sekjal              hdl:  that'd work for libraries who're getting support from a company that has a Solr cluster... what about small, independent libraries that need to search 100,000 biblios?
17:21 adnc                rangi, ping!
17:21 wahanui             hi, adnc
17:21 adnc                hello
17:18 hdl                 mmm considering you can host a solr cluster for those libraries, and manage that for them, it is a small advantage.
17:17 jcamins             In tiny catalogs, for example.
17:16 jcamins             There's a point, though, where the overhead of a system like solr overweighs the improved marginal resource requirements.
17:14 hdl                 and when you consider its CPU usage
17:14 hdl                 when you look at the amount of data
17:14 hdl                 not that small
17:14 jcamins             It's small.
17:13 * hdl               can't think of a single reason to keep the zebra alive.
17:12 hdl                 well never mind.
17:12 jcamins             hdl: oh. Yuck.
17:12 hdl                 And ...
17:12 hdl                 jcamins: we have some command line tools here which relies on SimpleSearch
17:12 * jcamins           agrees, but that's a workaround.
17:11 hdl                 *sigh...
17:11 hdl                 or a zebra bug...
17:11 hdl                 well saw that. But imho it is a ZOOM bug.
17:10 jcamins             hdl: did you see my patches?
17:08 library_systems_guy just came back to see all of that
17:08 library_systems_guy bleh zebra
17:07 jcamins             Speaking of entities screwing up Zebra, it looks like the problem with my ICU configuration is that I had an entity.
17:07 hdl                 http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/etc/icu.xml;h=949a3b2949d136bdd662eb4d5accefd670c220bb;hb=9ff53ee222a7890fbfd979563e6cc95f543ab436
17:07 jcamins             Ooh, that's frustrating.
17:05 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
17:05 jcamins             Bug 3326.
17:05 jcamins             I'm finding it for you now. :)
17:05 jcamins             Yeah, it's in Koha.
17:04 hdl                 is it pushed somewhere ?
17:04 jcamins             It's in Search.pm.
17:04 jcamins             Yes.
17:04 hdl                 have you made a fix to get correct & with usmarc?
17:04 jcamins             Zebra doesn't correctly convert entities when using MARCXML.
17:03 jcamins             hdl: as for the entities, yeah, I've seen that.
17:03 hdl                 I am having odd behaviour with &
17:03 jcamins             hdl: yes, but right now I have the real live hdl to give me the latest information. ;)
17:02 hdl                 on list
17:02 hdl                 I sent some messages about that.
17:02 hdl                 sure see Univ_Lyon3 branch on our repository
17:02 jcamins             *use successfully
17:01 jcamins             hdl: do you have an example of the ICU configuration you use with your clients?
17:01 hdl                 has anyone had any problems with entities in zebra ?
17:01 hdl                 had no time to look
17:00 hdl                 But maybe not.
17:00 hdl                 It may be part of the rebuild_zebra rewriting that tcohen did...
17:00 hdl                 to make sure the database is created and contains NOTHING
17:00 hdl                 zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios commit
17:00 hdl                 then
16:59 jcamins             :)
16:59 hdl                 is doing that
16:59 jcamins             Or do that.
16:59 jcamins             Then delete the record, and run rebuild_zebra with -z
16:59 hdl                 zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios init
16:59 jcamins             Create a record, then do the rebuild.
16:59 hdl                 (it should just do the init, but it does not.)
16:59 jcamins             library_systems_guy: sorry.
16:59 jcamins             hdl: oh. That's not such good advice, then.
16:58 hdl                 jcamins: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r does nothing when no data is exported
16:58 * jcamins           wishes he could redo searching in Koha.
16:43 library_systems_guy 2.5*
16:43 library_systems_guy man that truncate too .5 mins
16:43 library_systems_guy gotcha
16:40 jcamins             library_systems_guy: deletes do not cascade to the issues table, so you'll need to delete all issues manually.
16:40 library_systems_guy thanks jcamins
16:39 jcamins             library_systems_guy: truncate first, rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r next.
16:38 library_systems_guy does anybody know the best way to truncate the biblios table and not mess up zebra?
16:15 oakivil             nice chatting with you nice librarians!
16:15 oakivil             sorry have to go
16:14 oakivil             it'd be way cool to have it in Koha
16:13 oakivil             EDI is exactly the thuing we have in use in our previous system
16:12 oakivil             maybe ill find the article again
16:12 oakivil             thanks i remeber
16:12 slef                ok cool
16:12 oakivil             ah yeah
16:12 slef                about EDI?
16:11 oakivil             what you mean
16:11 oakivil             i saw some but cant remeber
16:11 oakivil             hmm
16:11 slef                yo oakivil did you see my comment to you a few days ago?
16:05 oakivil             how can i find you @ facebook?
15:53 wizzyrea            H::T::P is HTML::Template::Pro
15:52 wizzyrea            TT is Template::Toolkit
15:52 oleonard            Seems the most likely explanation.
15:52 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot tt
15:52 wizzyrea            forget TT
15:52 wizzyrea            TT is <reply>
15:52 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot tt
15:52 wizzyrea            forget TT
15:52 wahanui             hmmm... TT is here
15:52 wizzyrea            TT?
15:52 * oleonard          grumbles
15:51 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
15:51 oleonard            Bug 3523
15:51 * larryb            is back (gone 00:09:11)
15:49 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6555 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , only 10 lists in pull down when adding from a bib record
15:49 oleonard            Bug 6555... This again? I thought I fixed that.
15:46 jcamins             icu--
15:41 * larryb            is away:
15:39 jcamins             I'd forgotten how bad the documentation for ICU and Zebra was.
15:35 wizzyrea            :)
15:35 jcamins             Okay, here's an opportunity for me to fix the quoting in ICU.
15:35 wizzyrea            aha
15:35 jcamins             Yeah, I have ICU on.
15:34 jcamins             I tried "smith" "book" and "springerlink".
15:34 wizzyrea            as your keyword
15:34 wizzyrea            what search are you doing?
15:34 jcamins             Hm.
15:33 wizzyrea            stemming is off, however
15:33 wizzyrea            yes
15:33 wizzyrea            checking...
15:33 jcamins             Do you have QueryFuzzy on?
15:33 wizzyrea            r
15:33 wizzyrea            in maste
15:33 wizzyrea            i'm not having trouble with that
15:33 jcamins             wizzyrea: masthead search and advanced search.
15:32 wizzyrea            "kind of" might be a too-kind representation of how I really feel.
15:32 * wizzyrea          kind of hates that they're all different.
15:32 wizzyrea            from the advanced search, masthead search, or cataloging search?
15:31 wizzyrea            later :)
15:31 reiveune            bye
15:31 jcamins             Ooh, maybe I have ICU enabled.
15:30 jcamins             It's QueryFuzzy.
15:30 wizzyrea            I am getting results here
15:30 wizzyrea            hm
15:29 jcamins             So it's not opacsuppress.
15:29 jcamins             On the staff side.
15:29 jcamins             However, if I use limits, they work fine.
15:29 jcamins             I _think_ what's going on is that keyword searching isn't working at all.
15:28 wizzyrea            define problems?
15:28 jcamins             Is anyone else having problems with searching in Master?
15:16 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table
15:16 jcamins             rangi++ # for fixing bug 5199
14:56 oakivil             no it was for the aquisitions module
14:55 oakivil             in dev
14:55 oakivil             in dve
14:55 oakivil             but there was already a IDE for it?
14:55 oakivil             ok
14:55 oakivil             just thinking about the authorities-module and integrating it to a national authorities-repository
14:55 wizzyrea            fixing bugs, etc.
14:54 wizzyrea            normally it's nice if the original author maintains it for a time.
14:54 oakivil             depending the module is of any good
14:54 wahanui             rumour has it community is right behind us
14:54 oakivil             community?
14:54 oakivil             If we were to develop some module for Koha, who would make sure it stays functional throughout the version changes?
14:53 sekjal              but I'm not going to worry about those kind of concerns today (a gift to myself)
14:52 sekjal              oh, absolutely.  probably completely impractical
14:51 jcamins             Agreed.
14:51 kf                  sounds great but hard to write
14:51 sekjal              and the "fittest" combinations for any given application will "survive"
14:50 sekjal              so folks can try new things without breaking the old
14:50 sekjal              build the adaptability into the module structure
14:49 sekjal              I think we should have the flexibility to support arbitrarily many incoming query syntaxes, and then be able to convert each of them into arbitrarily many queries against whatever indexer
14:48 jcamins             And BibLibre could use something like that with their SOLR bit.
14:48 oakivil             thursday beer!
14:48 oakivil             sounds wiced!
14:48 kf                  gonna leave - team goes to a biergarten :)
14:47 jcamins             Okay, I would suggest that something like Search::QueryParser would be an excellent replacement for buildQuery.
14:47 kf                  ok
14:45 druthb              oooo
14:45 huginn              druthb: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4.
14:45 druthb              @karma java
14:44 eythian             itym java-=1
14:43 kf                  java--
14:42 sekjal              java--
14:42 druthb              De_java_fying_lucene++
14:41 jcamins             Hey, this is interesting: http://incubator.apache.org/lucy/
14:41 sekjal              I'm pretty confident of that... and anyone who's advanced enough at searching to expect such behaviour can learn to use symbols instead of words to accomplish it
14:40 jcamins             I agree in principle than stopwords are a bad idea in this day and age, but we don't want to break things.
14:40 jcamins             sekjal: but are we sure that users aren't relying on "and" and "or" being magical?
14:40 oleonard            It works fine until Stephen King follows up "It" with "And"
14:39 sekjal              "and" = "&&" and "or" == "||" ?
14:39 jcamins             oleonard: how are things? And what do you think? :)
14:38 kf                  was not aware of that
14:38 kf                  probably not such a problem for us, because und and oder are not
14:38 kf                  hm
14:38 jcamins             But right now, "and" and "or" are magic words.
14:37 kf                  and even for libarians
14:37 kf                  lots of confusion for normal patrons
14:37 kf                  lots of serials titles have "und"
14:37 kf                  as boolean
14:37 kf                  because you will get a lot more results for zeit und festschriften
14:37 kf                  it should look for und too
14:37 jcamins             If I were to type in "zeit und festschriften", should that look for the word "und" or should it just look for "zeit" und "festschriften"?
14:36 kf                  I think we should not parse and/or/not as boolean in search queries
14:36 oakivil             since when has this chat been so much fun?
14:36 jcamins             I'm thinking about search queries.
14:36 kf                  I was thinking about the advanced search form
14:36 kf                  ah... tlakign about an expert search?
14:35 kf                  I think everything translation related should be dealt with on template level
14:34 jcamins             kf: so the question is whether the replacement needs to be multi-lingual.
14:33 kf                  k?
14:32 jcamins             kf: because I hate Search.pm and want to nuke it from high orbit, replacing it with someone else's code.
14:32 * kf                is totally confused now
14:32 kf                  why are you thinking about operators in other languages?
14:31 kf                  oh french
14:31 kf                  how does et (want to call home?) work as an operator?
14:31 jcamins             German and French respectively, nein? :)
14:31 kf                  UND and ET?
14:30 jcamins             kf: thanks. Thinking about "UND" and "ET" as operators.
14:30 wizzyrea            wahanui++
14:30 wahanui             the librarians are crazy
14:30 jcamins             Well, the librarians.
14:30 kf                  I think and
14:30 kf                  the librarians might, but the patrons?
14:29 kf                  not sure they are using boolean search
14:29 jcamins             kf: when your users are doing a boolean search, what do they use for operators?
14:26 jcamins             gmcharlt_: do you know anything about CPAN modules for turning Google-like queries into something useful to computers?
14:26 alex_a              :)
14:25 huginn              druthb: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010)
14:25 druthb              @quote random
14:25 gmcharlt_           sekjal: yes, specifically only for a generic keyword search
14:25 huginn              gmcharlt_: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 08:07 PM, October 30, 2009)
14:25 gmcharlt_           @quote random
14:24 jcamins             Only, I'd prefer something which parsed into a tree instead of weird arrays.
14:23 jcamins             Hm, something like Preempt::query::parser
14:21 druthb              hrmph.  too much window-flippin
14:21 druthb              cd
14:19 jcamins             Okay, surely there is a Perl library somewhere that does a good job of turning Google-like queries into tokenized... thingies.
14:18 sekjal              I think it only kicks in if you do certain kinds of queries
14:18 * kf                hides
14:18 kf                  so relevancy ranking works?
14:17 sekjal              I've been meaning to write up a short article on it
14:17 sekjal              we weight certain fields, and differently under difference circumstances, but that combined with the inverse frequency rule, should give us pretty good idea of how that's supposed to work
14:16 jcamins             sekjal: oh?
14:16 oleonard            Thank goodness there are *some* fools around here
14:16 sekjal              though I finally found in C4/Search.pm the keys to how relevancy ranking works in Koha
14:16 * sekjal            must be a fool, too...
14:10 druthb              Debateable.
14:10 jcamins             druthb: but apparently you're not a fool, at least. ;)
14:08 * druthb            fears to tread into Search.pm--but is *no* angel.
14:08 kf                  always learning something new on #koha
14:08 oakivil             :) ruuush
14:06 jcamins             "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread." :)
14:05 kf                  hm no?
14:04 * jcamins           must be a fool... he's looking at Search.pm, and you know what Alexander Pope said about *that*.
14:00 * jcamins           looked at the code, and now has a splitting headache.
14:00 kf                  working on that deserves karma, not nice to test too
13:59 kf                  jcamins++
13:59 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
13:59 kf                  bug 6292
13:58 huginn              jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:58 jcamins             @later tell rangi Do you have an updated patch for bug 6292? I have a recollection that you said you had that working.
13:34 druthb              hee.  Either will show you bibs with no items attached.  :)
13:34 oakivil             then you can also comment :D
13:32 druthb              jcamins:  They're both readable, to me.  :)
13:32 jcamins             druthb: I would submit that it doesn't matter, because the latter is readable.
13:32 oakivil             you won! I surrender
13:31 druthb              SELECT biblionumber from biblio where biblionumber NOT IN (SELECT DISTINCT biblionumber FROM items);    is functionally equivalent to SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items USING (biblionumber) WHERE items.biblionumber IS NULL;   I have not profiled to see which is faster.
13:30 oakivil             its nice to chat once in a while :D
13:30 jcamins             I didn't see any reason to flood #koha with a forty-word query. :)
13:30 oakivil             ok
13:30 druthb              DISTINCT doesn't, no.  You're still gonna have to JOIN to get the other fields.
13:30 oakivil             yeah
13:29 jcamins             That was just a snippet.
13:29 oakivil             as JOINs are quite expensive processes
13:29 oakivil             yeah but does it use join under the hood anyway
13:29 druthb              DISTINCT tells sql to choose only one, if it appears multiple times...not black magic.
13:28 oakivil             but who know how DISTINCT works
13:27 oakivil             but JOINs are such a pain
13:27 jcamins             Okay, thanks.
13:27 druthb              Shouldn't do anything, at that point.   I'd do it more as SELECT DISTINCTROW issues.borrowernumber,firstname,surname from issues JOIN borrowers USING (borrowernumber), myself.
13:26 oakivil             maybe DISTINCT is a function
13:26 jcamins             druthb: but what's with the parentheses?
13:26 oakivil             yeah :)
13:25 druthb              Borrowers who have something out will be listed.  If they have more than one item, they'll only get one listing.  (that's the DISTINCT)
13:25 oakivil             is that a whole sql sentence?
13:25 oakivil             selects firstname and surname of people who have a unique borrowernumber in issues table?
13:23 jcamins             What does this snippet of SQL do: SELECT DISTINCT(issues.borrowernumber), firstname, surname
13:23 oleonard            Yeah, anyway...
13:22 oakivil             anyway
13:22 oakivil             maybe you should try to improve your workflows for ex or something usefull.
13:21 oakivil             but I dont find it meaningfull work if you sit by your computer and watch clips from youtube
13:21 oakivil             I know
13:21 kf                  not sure about all that - but there are libarians in here ... ;)
13:19 oakivil             or is it just Finland :D
13:18 oakivil             just an idea, but if our audience doesnt care about all the novelties of cataloguing, why should libraries?
13:16 oakivil             but in general
13:16 oakivil             im not talking about all librarians
13:15 oakivil             well yeah, its easy to be nice when you dont have to take any responsibility for results
13:14 oakivil             who is telling them what is profitable work and what is not?
13:14 kf                  but nice, right?
13:14 oakivil             librarians are crazy
13:14 oakivil             damn i did lol, sorry
13:14 oakivil             lol
13:13 huginn              jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:13 jcamins             @quote get 123
13:13 jcamins             oakivil: yes, rangi has a rule that has no exceptions:
13:13 kf                  oakivil: rhetoric question?
13:13 kf                  oh right
13:11 oakivil             are there any rules in libraries with zero exceptions?
13:11 jcamins             Except for 490.
13:03 oakivil             i see
13:03 oakivil             ah
13:03 kf                  subfields, 9xx, x9x, xx9
13:03 kf                  everything with a 9 is for local use
13:03 kf                  oakivil: yes
13:02 oakivil             so marc lets you use it however you wish?
13:01 oakivil             no.. a local field? used in the local system?
13:01 oakivil             so $9 is a koha-specific field
12:59 oakivil             lemme check the manual
12:59 oakivil             $0 and $9 are equally strange to me :D
12:58 oakivil             i cant remeber those marc fields
12:58 jcamins             kf: no, I was serious.
12:57 kf                  he said german catalog rules were logical in the same sentence - not sure he is not being ironical
12:56 oakivil             maybe its a praise?
12:56 kf                  oakivil: $9 is standard to - local field
12:56 kf                  now I got used to being a developer, you tell me I am a union catalog. ... ;)
12:54 oakivil             so the output is according to standard
12:54 oakivil             but if you export your mark data, its easy to add a sanitizer-module which replaces those authority links with their real values
12:53 oakivil             hmm
12:53 oakivil             but rhymes! ++
12:52 jcamins             oakivil: right.
12:52 jcamins             kf: you're a union catalog. Also, German catalog rules are logical.
12:52 oakivil             jcamins: kindergarten version :D ?
12:52 kf                  jcamins: thx :)
12:52 kf                  but special use case
12:52 kf                  and all works well
12:52 jcamins             kf: Stuck Out of Luck.
12:52 kf                  from $0 to $9 befroe import
12:52 kf                  in our case we swap fields
12:51 kf                  SOL?
12:51 oakivil             but you have biblios where some have authorities and some have links
12:51 kf                  or have them autocreated
12:51 jcamins             oakivil: you don't. Hence my complaint. There's no working linker, so you're basically SOL for any record you don't manually catalog in Koha.
12:51 oakivil             nope
12:51 kf                  you have to relink them
12:51 kf                  oakivil: you get no authorities through z39.50
12:51 kf                  afaik or was told the $0 subfield for storing the number was introduced late
12:51 oakivil             how do you fix that when importing via z39.50?
12:50 oakivil             according to marc21?
12:50 oakivil             and it should be used as text serach?
12:50 oakivil             ok
12:50 jcamins             Right.
12:50 kf                  but koha uses the number for linking instead of a text search
12:50 jcamins             oakivil: no, the heading is still embedded.
12:49 jcamins             kf: me too.
12:49 oakivil             it will clutter the marc-string
12:49 oakivil             if authority is 1000 characters long
12:49 kf                  and I would like to see it moved to $0 - to match the standard
12:49 oakivil             then again
12:49 kf                  ok, perhaps we can agree on that :)
12:49 jcamins             kf: the principle isn't. It's just the lack of a working linker.
12:49 oakivil             but when you export the marcxml you need to parse them
12:48 * kf                grumbles a little ,)
12:48 kf                  no it isn't
12:48 oakivil             but thats fucked up :)
12:48 kf                  the number of the authority record
12:48 jcamins             123 is the authid. $9 is the subfield marker.
12:48 kf                  oakivil: yes
12:48 oakivil             is $9123 a auth_id?
12:48 kf                  but I think that could be fixed by using better import scripts
12:48 jcamins             Remember, there's no working linker.
12:48 kf                  ok
12:48 kf                  oakivil: authorities could be better integrated, but basic features work
12:48 jcamins             No, but it's a mistake to not be able to work with any bibliographic records not produced in Koha.
12:47 kf                  I disagree :)
12:47 kf                  it's not a mistake to use unique number for identifying records
12:47 jcamins             kf: either way, it's dumb. :P
12:47 oakivil             now im not following?
12:47 kf                  but koha is older than $0 is
12:46 kf                  yep, should be $0
12:46 jcamins             =650  00$aTransportation$xTrains.$9123
12:46 jcamins             kf: no, I mean in the bib record, a subject heading looks like this:
12:45 kf                  we cheated a little there
12:44 kf                  hm, I think what you mean is that the auth_id from the auth_headers table must be = 001?
12:44 oakivil             in marcxml?
12:44 oakivil             so you embed only the authId not the value of authId?
12:43 jcamins             oakivil: authority control presently requires that the numeric authid be embedded in the bibliographic record.
12:42 oakivil             I presume not
12:42 oakivil             is there a problem?
12:42 oakivil             i was just asking that :D
12:41 kf                  oakivil: what's the problem with authorities?
12:41 kf                  thx :)
12:41 huginn              jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:41 jcamins             @quote get 123
12:41 huginn              kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
12:41 kf                  @quote 123
12:41 kf                  yes, but a database with insane rules... (quoting rangi here)
12:40 oakivil             not talking about ils, but authorities
12:40 oakivil             haha
12:40 oleonard            How hard can it be to program an ILS, right? It's just a database.
12:40 oakivil             or am i totally wrong?
12:40 oakivil             how can someone screw that up?
12:39 oakivil             just lists of words
12:39 oakivil             wrong again :)
12:39 jcamins             oakivil: hehehe!
12:39 oakivil             its such a simple piece it seems
12:39 oakivil             but i expect the authorities module to work flawlessly
12:38 oakivil             ok
12:37 jcamins             The analytic module by OSS Labs does not offer a basis for arbitrary bibliographic relationships.
12:36 jcamins             The people who worked on it always insisted that everything worked, though, and never gave any instructions on installing it properly, so there is the possibility that everything they claim was written, and I just don't know how to install it.
12:35 kf                  read hourly loans - that's coming and a good read too :)
12:35 kf                  sekjal++
12:35 oakivil             very well thought out
12:35 kf                  I think to amke this work for sets / general relationships t owuld need some more work
12:35 oakivil             wiki implementation was quite good
12:35 kf                  wiki descpription
12:35 kf                  the wiki implementation was more general too
12:35 kf                  I think you are right jcamins
12:35 oakivil             hmm so maybe it is 40% complete?
12:34 oakivil             thats good to know
12:34 oakivil             ok
12:34 jcamins             At least, that was my impression.
12:34 jcamins             oakivil: it's a nifty feature, but it's not nearly as fully-featured as the RFC.
12:34 kf                  so there might be some differences
12:34 kf                  the description on the wiki was done by ian - implemented from another company
12:33 oakivil             the wiki description sounds brilliant, but I have no idea how much of it has been implemented. I cant just say that this module will solve our problems without testing it first
12:31 kf                  ah right
12:31 kf                  jcamins: yes, I tested this and I failed it - not sure my descriptions make sense. Basically it listed the wrong items in the wrong letters.
12:31 jcamins             oakivil: if I understand correctly where things are, that is still using HTML::Template::Pro.
12:30 jcamins             oakivil: having the source is probably not going to help.
12:30 kf                  and drop recreate your database
12:30 kf                  hm, when you have a git install all you have to do it a git checkout
12:30 oakivil             but its such a pain to install it :D
12:30 oakivil             i got the git-source
12:30 kf                  not 3.4 but perhaps ok for testing
12:30 kf                  there might be still a branch on git for it?
12:29 oakivil             do you know how can i contact the author?
12:29 oakivil             would have been nice to test it out and see what has been done
12:29 jcamins             I could be mistaken.
12:29 jcamins             They're rebasing.
12:29 oakivil             ok
12:28 jcamins             oakivil: that won't work with 3.4, so far as I know.
12:28 oakivil             and now I'm trying to figure it out.
12:28 oakivil             I just dl:d the git-source
12:28 oakivil             this is what i mean
12:28 huginn              04Bug 5528: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support
12:28 oakivil             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528
12:27 jcamins             oakivil: if you mean the module from OSS Labs, they have to provide the code.
12:27 oakivil             ok, so how do I add this Analytic record support -module to my Koha install?
12:23 jcamins             It's early, so I'm having trouble identifying exactly what the problem is.
12:22 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
12:22 jcamins             I'm looking at bug 6292, which you marked as failed QA.
12:22 kf                  yes here
12:22 jcamins             kf: still around?
11:45 jcamins             kf: hm, yes. That's true.
11:45 kf                  and we found some paintings in our union catalog using 245$h and 300 for dimensions, looks doable
11:44 kf                  but there it's lacking marc field numbers and categories... so I put it back on shelf quickly
11:44 kf                  and yes, we have it in print
11:44 kf                  ah, shoudl read all
11:44 kf                  jcamins: do you have the oclc number?
11:34 jcamins             But there's definitely a record for an asteroid in OCLC.
11:33 * jcamins           doesn't know which record that is, alas.
11:32 jcamins             If you have access to OCLC, you could download a record for an asteroid, see if everything shows up. :)
11:31 kf                  will ask my coworker, she perhaps has it in print
11:31 jcamins             Not unless you're paying a fortunate for access.
11:31 jcamins             Ah, true, you have German cataloging rules.
11:31 kf                  is it online?
11:31 jcamins             I do not.
11:31 kf                  AACR2 - I have stayed away from that
11:30 kf                  so you don't know if koha will display the fields needed?
11:30 jcamins             The 245$h is [realia]. The relevant chapter in AACR2 is chapter 10.
11:30 kf                  hm ok
11:29 jcamins             I didn't catalog realia in MARC21, but definitely doable.
11:29 kf                  hard or doable? perhaps some hints?
11:29 kf                  I wondered if you can tell me something about cataloging oil paintings, coins, medals and other things in marc21
11:28 kf                  ah hi :)
11:28 jcamins             Good morning.
11:28 jcamins_away        kf: yes.
11:27 kf                  jcamins_away: around?
11:22 kf                  perhaps you can do it using the same thing used for the biblio records
11:21 kf                  I think we have no different views for authorities at the moment - it's always kinda marc
11:21 kf                  sounds like a new feature to me
11:21 kf                  hm
11:20 juan_sieira_        Marc view
11:20 juan_sieira_        like this, I want to view the same in authorities list, when I do a search for authorities, in cataloguing, the window that is open when I do a clic in "..." link
11:19 juan_sieira_        when you are cataloging, and searching in Z3950, in the list of biblios you can view it as card, marc ...
11:17 kf                  juan_sieira_: still not sure I understand it correctly - you could add a link to the plugin in cataloging (if there is none already) to the authority record in the authorities module
10:51 kf                  sorry phone call
10:50 juan_sieira_        kf: there is nothing about it in koha. I did it for authorities
10:31 juan_sieira_        like when searching for z3950, in cataloguing module
10:31 juan_sieira_        yes, but, librarians want to show a marc view of an authority, for example, when you are cataloguing, search for an authority
10:29 kf                  in intranet you can also search for authorities
10:29 kf                  there is not erally a normal view for authorities - the list ist readable, but the details are always showing the marc fields
10:28 kf                  in opac you can activate an authority browser, searching there will give you a marc view in the details
10:28 kf                  juan_siera: what do you want to do?
10:25 juan_sieira_        is there any function or .pl to show a MARC view of an authority?
10:25 juan_sieira_        Hi #koha
10:01 druthb              o/
09:35 oakivil             Assigned To : Galen Charlton
09:35 oakivil             is anybody working on analytic record support?
09:08 Oak                 time to get ready for class
09:04 kf                  here are some comments on it, problems we found: http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg00855.html
09:03 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support
09:03 kf                  bug 5528
09:03 kf                  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytic_Record_support
09:03 kf                  so on the analytic record the item from the serial/mother record shoes
09:03 oakivil             links?
09:02 kf                  it's for analytics
09:02 kf                  only thinking about it now - sorry
09:02 kf                  there is an rfc on the wiki and some code
09:02 oakivil             its all about the relationship, if it exists
09:02 oakivil             book or set or audio or whatnot
09:02 oakivil             well it wouldnt matter what the topmost item is
09:01 kf                  but I think your solution might bemoer on the title level like oursß
09:01 kf                  perhaps you want to look at that
09:01 oakivil             so when you select the parent item with 001, you can see all its siblings
09:01 kf                  there was some development to do that on an item level
09:01 kf                  hm
09:01 oakivil             so if you have defined MARC21 field 773/w to point to some other record's  001 field, it would automatically be display in OPAC as a child
09:00 kf                  depends on what you want to do entirely I think
09:00 oakivil             any ideas how much time it would take?
08:59 oakivil             what if my lib was to build a module to speed up cataloguing component parts and implement multipart biblios in native OPAC?
08:46 hdl                 yea thanks.
08:46 hdl                 oh...
08:45 kf                  hdl: young innovative company :)
08:43 oakivil             kf are you gettin my private message?
08:34 alex_a              but why ?
08:34 alex_a              thx kf :)
08:34 hdl                 kf what for
08:30 Brooke              indeed!
08:29 kf                  congrats to biblibre :)
08:28 kf                  hi hdl
08:27 wahanui             niihau, Brooke
08:27 Brooke              bonjour
08:27 hdl                 hi Brooke
08:26 * Brooke            puts glue on hdl's shoes.
08:10 * Brooke            <3s that Nawlins = Nawlins in Te Reo.
08:05 Brooke              0/
08:04 Oak                 heh, that I don't believe.
08:02 Brooke              thanks, I'll get a big head if you keep on this way
08:02 Oak                 good to have you back :)
08:02 Brooke              but at least it shook some rust off ;)
08:02 Brooke              ha says you
08:02 Oak                 good.
08:01 Brooke              doing me rarified other "job"
08:00 Oak                 Oh sister where were you? :)
08:00 * Brooke            hugs Oak.
07:59 Oak                 long time
07:59 Oak                 Hello Brooke :)
07:59 Oak                 aha
07:59 Brooke              kia ora
07:44 Oak                 hm
07:43 kf                  Oak: there is something weird about the status - that's why I will call
07:18 Oak                 :) see, with a capital 'M'. I remembered
07:17 Oak                 Bonjour Monsieur alex_a
07:17 alex_a              hi Oak :)
07:15 Oak                 i would not call them if I were you... wait till Thursday
07:14 kf                  true
07:14 Oak                 waiting does that you :) for anything
07:14 kf                  feels like forever :)
07:14 Oak                 ah, not far now
07:14 kf                  no status change on the website though... going to call them later
07:13 kf                  thursday I was told
07:13 Oak                 how many days till you receive your laptop?
07:12 Oak                 :)
07:12 kf                  Salaam Oak
07:12 Oak                 guten morgen kf
07:11 kf                  good morning #koha
07:10 Oak                 kf
06:50 sophie_m            hello #koha
06:48 hdl                 Hi Irma
06:48 hdl                 Hi
06:43 clrh                hello
06:32 cait                and time to go :)
06:32 cait                hi reiveune
06:31 reiveune            hello
06:29 alex_a              morning cait
06:25 francharb           hi cait
06:25 cait                morning francharb and alex_a :)
06:24 alex_a              hi
06:07 francharb           morning #koha
05:38 cait                ok
05:33 Space_Librarian     it was a little shake. nothing really. :)
05:32 cait                earthquakes in wellington? hope everything is ok
05:30 Judit               mornig cait
05:29 cait                morning #koha
04:33 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6551] applying lending rules by item-level itypes <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6551>
04:29 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5, ---, nengard, NEW , Bug for tracking updates to the history file
04:29 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 6350 Updating history
04:29 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
04:29 jenkins_koha        * francois: Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03
04:29 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors
04:29 jenkins_koha        * francois: Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference
04:29 jenkins_koha        * francois: Bug 6298 : Hide avatars when ShowReviewer is off
04:29 jenkins_koha        * francois: Bug 6298 : Show avatars on the recent comments page
04:29 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6313 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items
04:29 jenkins_koha        * francois: Bug 6298 : Add avatar picture of comment author in OPAC
04:29 jenkins_koha        * lrea: Bug 6313 -- Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items
04:29 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #316: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/316/
04:07 koha                owh
04:06 eythian             I didn't feel it at all.
04:03 chilts              ibeardslee: yeah, this building rattled like a snake
04:03 ibeardslee          .. one of those 'ing's probably needs to be different
04:03 koha                owy
04:02 ibeardslee          chilts: put it down to you still being shaking
04:01 rangi               yeah lucky it was deep
04:01 chilts              wrong parenthesis
04:01 chilts              :(
04:01 chilts              I didn't enjoy that one :)
03:52 rangi               http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/latest.html
03:46 jenkins_koha        Starting build 316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:46 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6411 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add another example to README.robots file
03:46 jenkins_koha        mason: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots
03:46 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #315: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/315/
03:42 rangi               thanks
03:40 mtj                 heya chris, welcome home!
03:38 mtj                 ooh, i got that one too :/
03:38 rangi               crap, that was pretty big
03:19 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_6350 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcf53330218f5822d6ba61407026d54ff9f85a28> / Bug 6350 Updating history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1209d9774dd95f0b3467e542d2e8b4bb5ca6f911>
03:09 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5c8c2580e334997b5c4e848b44e1244bea369b2> / Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d50d4568e26cbf681430ea8aa9fd1c4073e4dc57> / Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=413f3069610
03:05 rangi               http://www.koha.my/?p=45
03:03 jenkins_koha        Starting build 315 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:57 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e8fe364cb4dc212c397874b894a306876c66d17>
02:41 Brooke              0/
02:28 Brooke              holy smokes, Batman, I've just unmasked the Boy Wonder!
02:28 Brooke              ahoy Robin
02:28 eythian             hi
02:23 Brooke              :)
02:23 rangi               hi Brooke
02:23 Brooke              kia ora
00:45 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6470 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Unable to filter out actions made by kohaadmin
00:45 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6492 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED , Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail
00:45 jenkins_koha        * januszop: Bug 6470 - Unable to filter out log entries for kohaadmin (user 0)
00:45 jenkins_koha        * pianohacker: Bug 6492 - Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail
00:45 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #314: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/314/
00:03 jenkins_koha        Starting build 314 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:02 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors
00:02 jenkins_koha        cnighswonger: Bug 5379 - import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors
00:02 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #313: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/313/