Time Nick Message 00:09 chris_n anÅ koha... 3.4.2 00:11 Space_Librarian chris_n ++ 00:18 jenkins_koha Starting build 12 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #12: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/12/ 00:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6501 - missing scroll bar when updating child 00:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Alternate fix for Bug 6522 - search result list broken 00:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6501 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Missing scroll bar when updating child 00:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6522 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, dev_patches, ASSIGNED , Search result list misaligned columns if AmazonCoverImages is off 02:20 druthb o/ 02:37 Judit1 hullo 03:50 Amit_Gupta heya all Good morning ;) 03:55 cait morning#koha 03:55 eythian you're up early 03:56 cait morning hdl 03:56 cait eythian: not that early 03:56 eythian <6am is the middle of the night 03:57 Judit1 :) so right 03:57 cait hm k 03:58 druthb hi, cait. :) 03:58 cait I doubt druthb should be awake 04:08 * Oak waves 04:08 druthb hi, Oak! 04:08 * druthb offers cookies. 04:08 Oak hello druthb :) 04:09 * Oak takes cookie and runs away 04:10 druthb :P 04:11 druthb no need to run away! 04:11 Oak cait not around? 04:11 druthb she is 04:11 cait I am 04:11 cait but I am not going to take the cookies away from you 04:11 * cait isn't that mean 04:12 Oak ah, good 04:12 * Oak offers cait half cookie 04:20 cait thx 04:21 Oak oh don't mention. that's what friends are for. eat wisely. don't drop any crumbs on floor. 04:22 Oak druthb, what happened to bug 1234 :) 04:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching 04:23 druthb I got some basic bits working, but autogenerating codes is *not* working at the moment, for reasons that are unclear to me. 04:23 Oak ah, a mysterious bug. i like it. 04:24 Oak requires detective work to be fixed! 04:24 Oak not just mad perl skills 04:25 druthb by the time I got that much done, it was 1 AM, and I'd been working for 19 hours with two short breaks. Brain was *fried.* 04:26 druthb (So I went to bed for five hours, then got up and did it *again*.... ) 04:26 cait I hope you don't mean 19 hours again? 04:27 Oak 19 hours again is not nice. it's like punishing your brain and body. and eyes. 04:28 Oak besides, if you can't figure something out after hours of trying, the best idea is to go for a walk :) 04:28 Oak or sleep on it 04:30 cait I agree withOak 04:30 cait go to bed 04:31 druthb If this bib extract I'm running works--and so far, it is--then I'll get it started loading into the test box, and go to bed. 04:45 druthb hooray! It worked. 04:45 * druthb dances off to bed. 04:45 Oak comical 04:45 cait hope she stays there for more than 5 hours 05:00 Rivirin hiya all 05:05 Waylon okay.... hosted servers are liveserver1 and liveserver2, ideally id like to circular replicate... only a office server is used for biblio adding/updates due to the office being on ADSL.. office staff would get fustrated with latency and if adsl goes down, office can still function. Problem with this.. how do i get the updates into the circular replication, without the office being inside the 05:05 Waylon loop? my idea, is a script on liveserver1 gets a list of changed biblios from zebraqueue table, and selects the biblios/biblioitems/items from office server, updates the liveservers with them.... what do you think? 05:08 eythian zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes. 05:08 eythian I think it'll get terribly out of sync very quickly. 05:09 eythian on the other hand, I'm not sure of another solution 05:09 Waylon Hmm.. so i need to write a sub for change notifications. 05:10 Waylon put it inside modbibliomarc. 05:10 eythian if mysql can do triggers yet, you could have everything that goes into zebraqueue also go into another table 05:12 Waylon yeah.... interesting.. 05:13 eythian although, I'd say try your staff over the ADSL connection. Perhaps have a local squid proxy or something, perhaps it won't be too slow. 05:14 Waylon hmm.. though.. they're moving office.. and will only be able to have wireless.. so even more a bad idea... 05:14 eythian what's wrong with wireless? 05:14 Waylon triggers... could work. 05:15 eythian probably lower latency than ADSL, given telecom keeps the interleave time high 05:16 Waylon not in new zealand.. so i have no idea how reliable. 05:16 eythian oh right 05:16 Judit1 hi, sorry to interrupt 05:17 Judit1 but you know the list you can create inKoha 05:17 Waylon hi, judit1. 05:17 Judit1 if you choose to create a public list, that means it is public to all branches 05:17 Judit1 so patrons from different branches can see it too- sinceit is public 05:18 eythian yes 05:18 eythian unsure if 'IndependentBranches' affects this or not though. 05:19 eythian I think it probably should... 05:19 eythian but whether it does is a different story. 05:19 Judit1 okay 05:19 Judit1 so is there a setting i should check, you are telling 05:20 eythian yes, but beware that that will affect a large amount of how the system behaves. 05:20 eythian so you probably won't actually want to change it. 05:20 Judit1 which tab is this IndependentBranches in? 05:21 eythian not sure. Use the search box :) 05:21 Judit1 okay, thanks for the warning 05:21 eythian I think it's spelt wrong in the pref 05:21 Judit1 No system preferences matched your search for IndependentBranches. 05:21 Judit1 :) 05:21 eythian IndependantBranches 05:22 Judit1 dont prevent it says 05:22 Judit1 staff (but not superlibrarians) from modifying objects (holds, items, patrons, etc.) belonging to other libraries. 05:22 eythian OK 05:22 eythian So basically, yes. Lists in one place are visible elsewhere. 05:22 Judit1 so if that is set to prevent- my list would be public to the branch it created it 05:22 eythian maybe. 05:23 Judit1 :) 05:23 eythian if it was coded like that, and I think it should be, but don't know that it is. 05:24 Judit1 thank you 05:25 Waylon yeah.. triggers will work... could just make it do timestamp, biblio that was changed 05:25 eythian @marc 942$c 05:25 huginn eythian: unknown tag 942$c 05:25 eythian @marc 942 05:25 huginn eythian: unknown tag 942 05:25 Waylon @marc 42 05:25 huginn Waylon: unknown tag 42 05:25 Waylon @marc 47 05:25 huginn Waylon: unknown tag 47 05:27 cait 9xx are local 05:28 cait not marc standard 05:28 Waylon isn't 942 where biblionumbers are stored? 05:28 cait and lists behaviour is not changed by independentbranches - i think public is always public to all. not sure it should be different. 05:28 eythian yeah, I realised that a moment later 05:28 kmkale Namaskar #koha 05:28 cait hi kmkale 05:28 cait :) 05:29 eythian cait: it would seem strange seeing stuff in a library you don't have any access to. But unless someone asks me to change it, I've got plenty to keep me busy :) 05:29 kmkale Namaste cait 05:29 eythian hi kmkale 05:29 kmkale Namaste eythian 05:29 cait eythian: sometimes you might be able to order it 05:29 cait and people will want it to display - so it will get really complicated 05:30 cait and what will you show to people not logged in? 05:30 eythian well, I'd just make it its own syspref or something 05:30 cait lists show always 05:30 eythian hmm, that's a good point 05:34 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.8�C (7:30 AM CEST on June 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 05:34 cait hm 05:35 cait hmm. supposed to rain today... 05:36 cait eyhian: not saying it's impossible to solve - but will get complicated :) 05:37 Oak @wunder Islamabad 05:37 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 28.0�C (10:00 AM PKT on June 29, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 05:52 kmkale hey bob 05:58 kmkale We are about to have a Kohacon11 Volunteers meeting here 06:00 kmkale #startmeeting 06:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 29 06:00:17 2011 UTC. The chair is kmkale. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00 kmkale #topic Agenda 06:00 kmkale http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers#Next_Meeting_:_Wednesday_June_29_6.00_UTC 06:00 kmkale #introductions 06:00 kmkale #topic introductions 06:01 francharb hello 06:01 BobB hi kmkale, I'm here now 06:02 kmkale hi Bob 06:02 kmkale seems you and I are the only ones :( 06:02 cait :( 06:03 BobB Hmmm.. who are we expecting? 06:03 * Oak offers kmkale one cookie 06:04 BobB Hi Oak. Have we met? 06:04 Oak i have not met anyone from here :| 06:04 Oak but, Hi BobB :) 06:04 Oak where are you form? 06:05 BobB Ah, then you must come to KohaCon11 in Thane, India! 06:05 kmkale rangi, jronson, amitgupta, Thomas Dukleth, MJ Ray, paul 06:05 BobB I'm in Sydney Australia. You? 06:05 kmkale have indicated they might be present 06:05 Oak Islamabad, Pakistan. 06:05 Oak :) 06:05 cait kmkale: rangi might still be travelling 06:05 kmkale ok 06:06 BobB Lets see if they answer that prompt... 06:06 kmkale lets wait for a few minutes else call it off 06:07 BobB For the record, can we confirm the dates? The conference proper is from 31 October to 2 Nov. Correct? 06:07 BobB Then a day off? 06:07 kmkale Correct BobB 06:07 BobB Then the hackfest from 4 Nov? 06:07 kmkale then a hackfest 06:08 BobB What are the dates for the hackfest? 06:09 kmkale 4, 5, may be 6 and if people want to stay I have classrooms available for the next full week 06:09 alex_a hello 06:09 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:09 BobB OK, thanks. We have to book our travel. 06:10 BobB Have any hotel arrangements been made? 06:10 kmkale yes please do. Let me know if you need any accommodation assistance 06:11 kmkale http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/accommodation 06:11 kmkale BobB: ^^ 06:11 BobB Great, I'll look at that later. Thanks. 06:12 slef hi all. Sorry I'm late. 06:12 kmkale Good morning slef 06:12 BobB Hi slef, good afternoon too. 06:13 BobB Are Oak, cait, alex_a or wahauni here for the meeting? 06:13 kmkale wahanui is a bot BobB 06:13 BobB ..or just hanging out? 06:14 BobB Cool. Probably won't contribute too much to the discussion then? 06:14 kmkale nope 06:14 Oak me hanging. will keep quiet though. please proceed. 06:14 slef #info MJ Ray, worker-member of http://www.software.coop 06:14 kmkale ok so its kmkale BobB slef present 06:15 kmkale with Oak and cait hanging 06:15 kmkale so shall we have a meeting or cancel? 06:15 BobB Is that a quorum? 06:15 kmkale hardly 06:15 BobB kmkale, do you have anything you need urgently resolved? 06:16 kmkale nope 06:16 BobB Then when is the next community meeting? 06:16 paul_p hello world, sorry to be a little bit late (problem to connect the internet from the hotel...) 06:16 kmkale hi paul_p 06:16 kmkale ok now we have 4 members :) 06:17 kmkale I guess thats good enough 06:17 kmkale ? 06:17 BobB bonjour paul_p 06:17 alex_a BobB: a meeting ? 06:17 wahanui a meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 06:17 kmkale Agenda for today is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers#Next_Meeting_:_Wednesday_June_29_6.00_UTC 06:18 BobB Thanks w_bot. But we've missed it! 06:18 BobB OK, June 29 06:18 kmkale paul_p slef BobB shall we have this meeting today or have it as part of text general irc meeting on July 6th? 06:18 kmkale *next 06:18 slef wahanui: forget a meeting 06:18 wahanui slef: I forgot meeting 06:18 BobB What if we make KohaCon11 a priority agenda item for that meeting? We might get more there? 06:19 kmkale not sure we can if people are not interested :( 06:19 paul_p I think we're here so we could/should have our meeting 06:19 slef I think you'll get more there, but personally my attendance is uncertain. 06:19 paul_p (now) 06:19 kmkale July 6th my attendance is not sure 06:20 paul_p ok, so meeting now, definetly ;-) 06:20 BobB Well, this is an important community event. The community has to be prepared to deal with it, if its listed for discussion. No? 06:20 kmkale ok 06:20 slef I think we're here so we could/should have our meeting and flag up anything we would like to also ask the general irc meeting on July 6th, so even if kmkale is not there, it can be asked. 06:20 kmkale lets move on with the agenda then 06:20 paul_p sleff++ 06:20 BobB Agreed 06:21 paul_p agreed 06:21 kmkale #topic We need to get an idea about who / how many are coming for the Kohacon11 06:22 BobB How many have registered? 06:22 paul_p (note I must leave in 40mn, i've a training this week. Now i'm having breakfast with my laptop... eating french croissant near my keyboard...) 06:22 kmkale I guess kmkale BobB paul_p are certainties ;) 06:22 BobB avec cafe, j'espere 06:22 kmkale BobB: about 130+ 06:22 paul_p Bobb: nope, with chocolate, i don't like coffee. 06:23 BobB Irma and I have not registered yet. But we are coming. Will register this weekend. 06:23 BobB paul_p, that's allowed. 06:23 paul_p do I have registred ? not sure. but i'm coming 06:23 slef 130 registered already? Cool 06:23 BobB 130 is a good number, already 06:24 BobB That's bigger than Wellington and probably Plano too 06:24 BobB So biggest KohaCon yet! 06:24 paul_p kmkale: how many from india, and how many from foreign countries ? 06:24 kmkale Hope so. I was hoping for many more :( 06:25 kmkale http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration see the countrywise graph 06:25 paul_p kmkale: it's in 6 months ! many will register in september I think 06:25 paul_p and maybe we should/could communicate a little bit more on the koha mailing lists, ... 06:25 slef #link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration 06:25 kmkale #idea communicate more on mailing lists 06:26 kmkale agreed will start doing so 06:26 paul_p which country is NG ? 06:26 paul_p NiGeria ? 06:26 kmkale yes 06:27 kmkale ok. A few people have asked us for formal invitation letters for obtaining visa 06:27 paul_p so, you can remove 20 attendees. I suspect most of them won't have the money to travel. In previous conferences, we had many registrations from Africa, then came the question "can you sponsor my travel"... 06:27 kmkale if anyone needs those please let me know 06:27 paul_p I think we may get a feww ppl from NG or Africa, but not 21 ! 06:28 BobB Visa's were a problem in Wellington. Not for NZ so much, but for people wanting to transit Australia. 06:28 kmkale paul_p: 2 from NG have requested invitation letters. So those 2 look certain 06:28 paul_p well, no one from France, so i haven't registered yet ;-) 06:29 kmkale I am traveling to Kenya next week so will speak about the conference to the library people there :) 06:29 BobB #idea: warn people to arrange their visas early 06:29 BobB kmkale +1 06:29 kmkale BobB: yes. getting visa sorted out early is a good idea 06:29 kmkale ok shall we move on to the next item on the agenda? 06:30 BobB yes 06:30 paul_p OK, i've registered now 06:30 kmkale #topic We need more papers / presentations 06:31 kmkale slef: are you coming? 06:31 kmkale lets discuss 2a also with this topic 06:31 kmkale #idea Since we don't have many papers and there are abstracts waiting to be reviewed for very long, I propose we abolish reviews and accept the abstracts and papers without any review system. 06:31 slef kmkale: not unless we get more clients, or people use http://www.software.coop/info/give/ a lot more. 06:33 kmkale slef: would you like to make a remote presentation if you absolutely cant make it? I think people would like to know about how software.coop works. Its a novelty here 06:33 BobB I think there should be some review. 06:34 BobB I could help with that, but not until August, realistically 06:34 slef kmkale: One of us would, if you think it would be liked. I bought a camera which can be used as a webcam last week, but I have not yet used it as that, so I cannot help with technical requirements yet. 06:34 paul_p I think there should be at least a small review, to eliminate out of topic propositions 06:34 kmkale I have assigned reviewers from people who had registered for the job. But the reviewers have not responded to the review requests or reminders about it 06:35 kmkale so may be you guys can take this pointb up in the general meeting? 06:35 slef kmkale: have I been assigned to review some? 06:35 kmkale that we need reviewers to look at the abstracts? 06:36 paul_p for example, what does "information literacy and lbrary and information science" contains ? 06:36 kmkale slef: you have full admin rights remember? You can self assign if you are interested in any topic 06:36 paul_p sounds very vague to me... 06:36 slef paul_p: needs abstract to know. 06:36 kmkale paul_p: that has been reviewed by Space_Librarian and an updated abstract has been called for 06:37 slef kmkale: I know, but I am unsure if I should do so. 06:37 kmkale slef: please do if you have the time and inclination 06:37 paul_p slef & kmkale : right 06:37 paul_p kmkale: i've registered as "tipaul". Could you give me permission to review pls ? 06:37 kmkale yes paul_p sure 06:38 slef ok 06:38 BobB I'm happy to make a presentation, but I'm struggling to find the right topic. 06:39 BobB An update on my governance paper from Wellington might not be right for the audience 06:39 paul_p as we have more than 1 room, i've suggested kmkale to have one dedicated to "koha demo". With one session=one module (acquisition / circulating / ...) 06:40 kmkale yes paul_p but the conference venue is in a self contained building ghousing the hall and canteen 06:41 kmkale if we need another room / hall it will have to be a separate building 06:41 kmkale is that ok? 06:41 BobB How far away? 06:41 kmkale for hackfest I can get adjoining classrooms 06:41 kmkale BobB: about 50 feet 06:42 BobB Well that's not far 06:42 paul_p so it's nothing (except you must count 15mn between each session to change room/building 06:42 kmkale yes. We can have boards declaring way to conference and way to demo etc 06:43 paul_p kmkale: for the main conference, don't we have 4 rooms already ? /me remember reading or speaking of this previously... 06:44 kmkale paul_p: yes if needed. The main hall can accomodate about 250 06:44 kmkale if we exceed that we can get more halls 06:44 kmkale but all halls are in separate buildings on the campus 06:44 kmkale alll halls are interconnected with polycom 2 way video conferencing uints 06:45 paul_p kmkale: I think it could be usefull to have more than 1 course at a given time. "i'm not interested in Koha circulation module, OK, I go to 'how to migrate from ILS-XXX to Koha' " 06:45 kmkale paul_p: I agree but we dont have enough presenters to fill one hall for three days. if we split the conference will be over in a day 06:45 kmkale :( 06:46 paul_p (of course, this is possible only if we have enough papers ;-) ) 06:46 BobB Then we go to Agra? :) 06:46 paul_p kmkale: don't be too anxious : many more ppl will register and more ppl will propose topics. 06:47 kmkale I request you to take this up in the next general meeting and put out a call or papers and for people to attend 06:47 paul_p we're 6 months ahead from the conference, and geeks don't like to plan too early... 06:47 BobB Yes, but we should also set a timeframe. 06:47 kmkale paul_p: I will ne in Kenya next week. But once I am back 06:47 paul_p kmkale: yep, we will. 06:47 BobB ..for papers at least 06:47 kmkale I plan to send out reminders about the call for papers etc 06:48 paul_p kmkale++ 06:48 kmkale paul_p: I have enrolled you as a riviewer 06:49 BobB I think until there is a draft program, many people won't get motivated to register and make their plans 06:49 kmkale Shall we move on to 3) Start working on conference schedule as per papers / abstracts already submitted or committed that it will be done ? 06:49 kmkale ok that brings us to 3 nicely :) 06:49 kmkale #topic Start working on conference schedule as per papers / abstracts already submitted or committed that it will be done 06:49 kmkale Joann has graciously agreed to do the keynote :) 06:50 kmkale and we have 6 or 7 papers, so shal we start a draft of the program? 06:50 kmkale or is it too early? 06:50 paul_p I agree with bobb. we should start a draft program 06:50 slef if they're different topics, we could 06:50 kmkale slef: they are 06:51 paul_p that will motivate ppl to register and submit papers. 06:51 BobB Before the keynote, will there be some sort of official welcome? 06:51 kmkale BobB: yes 06:52 BobB Cool. Even people from India may not have been to Maharastra before, so some sort of 'welcome to country' would be a nice touch. 06:52 kmkale any ideas about how the program should be arranged? Or should I go ahead and make a draft based on past discussions and papers and send it out on the lists as draft? 06:53 kmkale there *WILL* be some speeches by VPM people at the start for welcome and introductions and also at the end for thanks giving etc I guess 06:53 kmkale we are planning a cultural event on one evening 06:53 paul_p I think there should be a part dedicated to Koha itself (history / features / future), a part dedicated to technical things, and a part dedicated to OpenSource in general (integrating Koha with other OSS) 06:54 kmkale and if we get sponsors a conference dinner 06:54 BobB 1. Welcome to Thane 2. Welcome to KohaCon11 3. Keynote 06:54 BobB Cultural event ++ 06:54 kmkale BobB: yes 06:55 slef paul_p: s/OSS/FOSS 06:55 * paul_p must leave in less than 10mn 06:55 BobB 4. Morning break. 5. First paper. 6. Second paper. 7. Lunch 06:55 kmkale 3 a ) If some people would like to make a remote presentation I need to know what facilities will be required on our side 06:55 BobB (I like lunch) 06:55 slef ok, I'm sure this is old news. 3 days - how many sessions each day? 06:55 kmkale :) 06:55 paul_p didn't we say 4 or 6 ? 06:55 kmkale slef: three 06:56 kmkale morning noon and post tea break 06:56 kmkale two papers per session 06:56 slef start and end times for each? 06:56 paul_p OK, 6 papers per day then. ageed 06:56 BobB Do all presentations need to be one hour? 06:56 kmkale morning 9.30 am 06:56 kmkale post lunch 1.30 pm 06:57 slef yeah, one at a time, please 06:57 kmkale post tea 3.00 pm ??? 06:57 slef morning 9.30- when? 06:57 slef 11? 06:57 wahanui 11 is totally tolerable 06:57 slef wahanui: botsnack 06:57 wahanui :) 06:57 kmkale slef: are you porposing that we start the morning sessions at 11am? 06:58 kmkale *proposing 06:58 slef no, end the first session at 11 06:58 slef for coffee break 06:58 kmkale we can if we start at 9.00 06:58 slef or tea, I guess, in India 06:58 kmkale yup 06:58 kmkale ok how about this 06:58 wahanui i guess this is a lost case 06:58 kmkale start at 10 have one paper 06:59 slef then a short session 11.15-12.15, then 13.30-14.30, then 15.00-16.30? 06:59 paul_p starting at 10 is late according to me (but it depends on indian usual hours) 06:59 kmkale break for tea start again at 11.30 have one more paper break at 12.30 06:59 kmkale break for lunch 12.30 to 1.30 06:59 kmkale 1.30 to 2.30 one more paper 07:00 kmkale 2.30 to 2.45 tea break? 07:00 kmkale then two papers on the trot from 2.45 to 4.45 07:00 kmkale how does that sound? 07:00 clrh hi 07:00 wahanui niihau, clrh 07:01 BobB Its time for paul_p to go, and I must soon also 07:01 kmkale VPM usually starts at 9.00 07:01 slef so that's 10-11.15, 11.30-12.30, 13.30-14.30, 14.45-16.45 07:01 BobB Then we shouldn't start later than 9.30 in my opinion 07:01 paul_p sounds OK, except for the starting time. 07:01 paul_p I think 9:30 is better too. 07:02 slef yeah, I'd put the 2h slot first, making it 9.15-11.15, with a longer tea break in afternoon 07:02 paul_p and havin 1hour 1/2 for the lunch break 07:02 kmkale slef: I agree for the two hour slot early morning 07:02 kmkale people are fresh 07:02 paul_p for a large audience, just 1 hour for the lunch break won't be enough 07:02 slef 9.15-11.15, 11.30-12.30, 14.00-15.00, 15.30-16.30? 07:02 kmkale slef++ 07:03 slef this is for 31st, 1st and 2nd? 07:03 paul_p you discuss 5mn with the speaker, you find your colleague/friend, you head for a restaurant... it's already too late ! 07:03 kmkale slef: yes 07:03 paul_p slef++ 07:03 slef ok, I'm creating the schedule time blocks 07:03 kmkale so we need 18 papers 07:03 kmkale atleast 07:04 kmkale #topic accommodation assistance if required 07:04 kmkale http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/accommodation 07:04 kmkale also let me know if anyone need invitation letters etc for visa 07:04 slef #link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/accommodation 07:05 kmkale guys thats it from my side. Any questions? 07:06 slef only what we need to ask next general meeting? 07:06 BobB Well, given we almost cancelled, we've had a productive meeting, i think 07:06 kmkale we need papers and riviewers 07:06 BobB and registrations! 07:06 paul_p slef: we need paper submission and reviewers 07:06 kmkale yep them too :) 07:06 kmkale so if you could drive that in the next general meeting 07:07 kmkale I will be most grateful :) 07:07 BobB We'll try to whip up some enthusiasm at the next general meeting 07:07 kmkale shall we close? 07:07 BobB Then we should meet a week after that? 07:07 slef public schedule is still blank, but admins can see http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/manager/timeBlocks now 07:08 kmkale good work slef :) 07:08 kmkale slef++ 07:08 BobB slef + 07:08 slef BobB: yes, a short meeting to see what effect trying to whip up has had, and decide what to do next about that? 07:09 BobB +1 07:09 kmkale are we missing one block on 1st? 07:09 paul_p slef++, but i not admin yet, so can't see... 07:09 slef kmkale: hrm, possible. I'll go fix 07:09 paul_p slef++, but i'm not admin yet, so can't see... 07:09 kmkale ok time and dat for that meeting? 07:09 kmkale paul_p: would you like admin rights? 07:10 paul_p ok, it's really time to leave for me. Or i'll be late at my training ! 07:10 kmkale bye paul_p 07:10 paul_p kmkale: yep. 07:10 kmkale ok will do 07:10 paul_p (it could be usefull I think) 07:10 slef bye paul_p 07:10 BobB thanks Paul, cheers 07:10 kmkale ok time and date for that meeting? 07:10 kmkale or a doodle poll again? 07:10 BobB General meeting is when? 07:11 slef kmkale: is this the opening keynote? Joann Ransom, Save the time of the reader 07:11 paul_p kmkale, doodle pool I think. 07:11 slef BobB: 6 july, 18 UTC I think. 07:11 * paul_p leave now. 07:11 kmkale slef: yes 07:11 kmkale unless she chooses a different topic for the keynote and does this topis as a sseparate presentation 07:12 slef kmkale: ok if I accept it and schedule it to the first block for now? 07:12 kmkale yes slef 07:12 BobB The following week is moving about, for me. So Doodle poll, I think. But that week. 07:12 kmkale slef: i guess it should be 2nd lecture of first morning 07:12 slef http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/trackDirector/submissions/submissionsAccepted just gave me 404 not found :-/ 07:12 kmkale the first hour will be welcome and intros etc i guess 07:13 kmkale slef: none have been accepted yet as even Jo has not submitted a full paper 07:13 kmkale just an abstract 07:13 slef still, 404 is a bit of an odd reply 07:13 kmkale which has been approved so she has to submit a paper which once approved will come under submissions accepted 07:14 kmkale slef: will take a look at it 07:14 BobB I too have to go now. OK? 07:15 slef #action kmkale to poll for next meeting 07:15 kmkale bye BobB 07:15 kmkale ok so end meeting?> 07:15 slef yep, we have lost all people 07:15 BobB kmkale: bye and thanks - good meeting! 07:15 BobB cheers slef 07:15 kmkale #endmeeting 07:16 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 07:15:47 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 07:16 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-29-06.00.html 07:16 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-29-06.00.txt 07:16 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-29-06.00.log.html 07:18 kf hi there 07:18 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:18 Oak kf 07:18 slef kmkale: I can't schedule Joann's paper. Must I wait for the full paper? 07:18 kmkale slef: yes 07:19 slef well that sucks 07:19 slef :) 07:19 kf Oak 07:19 kmkale slef: we can change the conference settings to allow for non submission of full papers. But do we want to? 07:20 kmkale I dont 07:20 kmkale We want to print a souvenir from all papers and distribute it to all attendees :) 07:21 slef kmkale: can we change it back later? I think showing something on the schedule now would encourage registrations and other papers 07:21 kmkale Or atleast give a CD with them so we need full papers beforehand 07:21 kmkale slef: let me have a look 07:21 slef kmkale: ok. I've got to go now before I starve. 07:21 kmkale bye slef and thanks 07:30 kmkale_ @later tell slef I could not change the compulsion for the paper submission. Please take a look at options available at http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/manager/schedConfSetup/2 07:30 huginn kmkale_: The operation succeeded. 08:07 jransom hi all 08:07 jransom thought there was a kohacon11 meeting on now ... 08:08 jransom mucked up the time conversions again! 08:14 slef hi jransom, you did a bit. 08:14 slef jransom: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-29-06.00.html 08:14 jransom when was it? 08:14 jransom coz i checked the conversion calendar, and raced home from a restaurant 08:15 jransom and was certain i had it right 08:15 slef 2h ago 08:15 jransom oh heck 08:15 jransom ok - well i have to get this better organised. 08:15 slef do you have a Linux? date -d '06:00 UTC' should do the conversion for you 08:15 jransom wonder if daylight saving had some impact 08:15 jransom not linux. 08:15 slef get one :) 08:16 jransom i know 08:16 jransom i should 08:16 slef to be fair, you can probably get date for Windows... and Mac OS X has it already too 08:17 jransom only 3 people ? 08:17 jransom i feel even worse now .... 08:17 slef 4... paul_p arrived late 08:17 jransom still ... 08:17 slef yeah, not top performance 08:17 slef but we put the schedule framework up 08:17 jransom you reckon this conference will get off the ground? 08:18 jransom i bloody hope so - having paid for tickets and accommodation 08:18 slef kmkale said 130 registrations so there are enough people 08:18 jransom cool - thats good. 08:18 slef the problem is encouraging enough talks 08:18 jransom just cnference speakers then 08:18 slef I feel that posting a schedule outline may help. 08:18 mtj heya ph olks 08:18 jransom wonder what the hesitation is 08:18 slef Is the "save the time of the reader" your keynote, btw? 08:19 mtj i've just booking my mumbai flights last week 08:19 jransom heya mtj 08:19 jransom who are you? 08:19 slef Well, I've no money left in our community budget since NZ and replacing a community server unexpectedly 08:19 slef wahanui: mtj? 08:19 wahanui i guess mtj is right :) 08:19 jransom (not being rude - just that i don't know yu yet :) 08:19 slef not helpful :) 08:19 mtj jo - might see if i can stay in youse hotel, 08:20 jransom mtj: who are you? 08:20 slef mtj is from a kohaaloha box, so guess? 08:20 slef mtj: are you really on IRC as root, or does your computer fib? 08:20 jransom kohaaloha is mason 08:21 mtj meh, my nick info isnt very helpful tho :/ 08:21 jransom so you wont get there slef? 08:21 slef jransom: not unless we get more clients or people give us money http://www.software.coop/info/give/ 08:21 jransom thats a shame - i was looking forward to catching up again 08:22 mtj slef: oooh, my irc proxy is running as root :/ 08:22 slef mtj: ow! 08:22 jransom mtj: is that bad? 08:23 mtj yeah, its a liittle norty.. 08:23 slef jransom: if there's a bug in his irc proxy, an attacker would get control of his whole server. 08:23 jransom hey magnus! 08:23 jransom i'm trying to find the name of the hotel in mumbai 08:24 jransom i'm crashing in with Brooke and Ruth mtj 08:24 magnuse kia ora jransom! 08:25 slef oh dear I hope I haven't just done what I think I have 08:26 slef phew... I hadn't 08:26 jransom mtj - I'm crashing in on ruth and brooke 08:26 slef I thought I had deleted the schedule time blocks I spent 15mins or so creating earlier 08:26 magnuse oops 08:26 jransom i think we might be staying at vihang 08:27 jransom spending week prior in Goa - well panjim actually 08:27 magnuse jransom: you said something about 3 weeks in india? 08:28 jransom yup. 08:28 jransom spending week in Goa,then week in mumbai then a week catching train to Delhi - Agra etc 08:28 slef jransom: Is the "save the time of the reader" your keynote speech, btw? 08:28 magnuse sounds like a good plan! 08:29 jransom brooke and i are doing a roadie! 08:29 jransom http://www.hotels.com/hotel/details.html?reviewOrder=date_newest_first&roomno=1&departureDate=10-28-11&destinationId=677380&rooms[0].numberOfAdults=2&tab=reviews&arrivalDate=10-23-11&hotelId=307310&validate=false&destination=Panaji%2C+India&tab=description#description 08:29 jransom scrumptious :) 08:29 jransom no - thats another talk i'm doing about making configuration settings from the point of view of getting good results for patron 08:30 jransom i am doing keynote though 08:30 jransom somewhat reluctantly as it is quite daunting preparing something stimulating and inspiring and miivational to this crowd 08:30 magnuse all the talks are 1 hour? that's long... 08:30 jransom i canttalk that long 08:31 jransom i can't even pronounce 'bed' so Paul can understand ! 08:31 slef jransom: ok, I'll deschedule save the time of the reader for now. 08:31 jransom no - i m doing that too 08:31 jransom if you want it 08:31 magnuse hehe, difiniiitli ;-) 08:31 slef yes, we do, but I don't know when :) 08:32 slef I want to publish an outline schedule soon as, so that it encourages more registrations and submissions 08:32 slef @later tell kmkale I found the problem. The scheduler doesn't work without javascript. Sorry for the confusion. 08:32 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 08:33 jransom i'm very relaxed about scheduling and happy to not present too so however it pans out is fine 08:34 slef magnuse: I let the "all the talks are 1 hour" go for now. We can fix that later when we have enough talks. 08:34 BobB jransom: Hi 08:34 wahanui salut, BobB 08:35 magnuse slef: cool 08:35 slef jransom: the opening keynote will be shorter anyway, because there's an intro from the hosts. 08:35 jransom Hi Bob 08:36 BobB sorry you missed the meeting 08:36 jransom i am too! 08:36 jransom i actually really tried 08:36 jransom but stuffed up the time conversion 08:36 BobB I use this to convert the times: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html 08:36 jransom dragged the kids out the restaurant so id be home ontime ... 08:36 BobB Unhappy kids? 08:37 jransom no - they ok.just had to miss dessert 08:37 jransom they'll live 08:37 jransom so any ideas for genberating talks? 08:37 BobB Do you know your hotel for KohaCon? In Mumbai or Thane? 08:38 jransom yes - we in thane 08:38 jransom Vihang i think 08:38 jransom Brooke knows 08:38 jransom i'm crashing in her room (budget really tight) 08:38 jransom we'll take turns on couch! 08:38 BobB Lots to see, so have to spread the money eh! 08:39 jransom i'll plough through emails and find out 08:39 jransom yep - excatly 08:39 jransom and we'll only sleep there 08:39 BobB Won't see you in Goa sadly - can't travel till Friday before the conference. Might go to Pune afterwards. 08:40 BobB Would like to take Irma to Agra but don't think we have the time. 08:40 BobB Will you go on from Agra to Varanasi? THAT would be interesting! 08:42 slef jransom: apologies if you get a strange email about Save the Time... because I just stepped it back to in-review 08:42 slef Cool, we have our first entry on http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/schedule 08:43 jransom ok - Vihangs' Inn 08:43 jransom thats where brooke ruth and me are staying 08:43 BobB Thanks Jo. 08:43 slef I'll see if I can hack some other stuff into the schedule later this week. 08:43 magnuse slef++ 08:43 BobB Not many registrations from USA yet. I hope there'll be more. 08:43 jransom yeah we going to agra too - i think its compulsory to visit taj mahal if in india 08:44 jransom http://www.vihangsinn.com/ 08:44 BobB See it before you die! :) 08:44 BobB The Taj, not Vihangs Inn. :) 08:44 magnuse hehe 08:45 jransom i keep getting so excited about india! 08:46 jransom lol - that programme looks really inspiring slef :) pity your keynote presenter couldnt come up with an inspiring name 08:46 mtj we are gonna try to stay at vihangs too 08:46 kf jransom: looks nice 08:46 jransom they were the first to respond accurately to brookes inquiries - which we took asa good sign 08:47 jransom its look clean and modern which is fine - and is in Thane 08:48 slef hehehe just had a phone call telling me to send Nathan to go open the cellar so they could deliver some beer :) I told them the hotel's phone number that they wanted instead. 08:49 jransom hehe 08:51 jransom slef: is there a place where we can suggest papers / presentations we'd like to hear or see presented? 08:51 jransom or panel discussion topics? 08:52 slef jransom: two options: persuade people to put in a submission and say that you encouraged them to submit a paper/presentation; or raise it in one of the meetings. 08:53 slef jransom: I guess that's sort-of "no, not a formal one yet" 08:53 BobB Jo, I need a topic. Suggestions? 08:53 jransom i'll put my thinking cap on. 08:54 magnuse jransom: i put a wish under "Ideas for papers/wishlist" here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon11 a long while ago, in lack of a better place 08:54 jransom Maybe we could do that slef? 08:54 slef eh? do what? :) 08:55 jransom i quite like the idea of being able to add to a list of topics 08:55 jransom set up a place where people can list topics etc they like to learn about 08:55 jransom it might generate people to step forward and sign up to present 08:56 jransom people might tae stinggranted what they do and not realise its inte 08:56 jransom oops 08:56 jransom people might take for granted what they do and not realise people are interested 08:56 magnuse good point! 08:57 slef jransom: sure. I think magnuse's place is fine. What we need is an easy way for people to add to it, I think. 08:57 jransom ok cool. 08:58 jransom lets post it to koha list 08:58 jransom and link to it from koha-community site 08:58 slef actually, if I move that onto http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:KohaCon11 then we get a groovy + button 08:58 slef ok if I do that magnuse ? 08:58 slef I don't like talk pages really, but the + button is useful for this. 08:59 magnuse slef: fine with me! 08:59 magnuse since we don't tend to use tha talk pages much a message to the list might be a good idea 08:59 slef jransom: the link to add a suggestion is http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:KohaCon11&action=edit§ion=new 09:00 slef magnuse++ 09:00 kf magnuse++ indeed :) 09:01 magnuse ooh 09:01 jransom trying to load it .... 09:02 magnuse slef: what's that about a + button? i don't see it... 09:02 slef magnuse: logged in? 09:02 magnuse yup 09:03 slef oh the chuffing nonsense mediawiki bleargh Grr :) 09:03 magnuse hehe 09:03 mib_gle66c hi, how can i display more information in the barcode in koha 09:03 slef ok, I'll go see if I can add a contact form to www.koha-community.org - the rest of you help mib_gle66c please :) 09:05 kf mib_gle66c: can you describe what are you trying to do? 09:07 mib_gle66c I want to display callnumber and itemtype in addition to the barcode number in the barcode layout How can i do it 09:13 mib_gle66c should i edit Label.pm 09:15 slef That sounds like a label templating question. 09:16 slef Have you seen/tried http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x5722#labellayouts ? 09:17 kf which version of koha are you using? 09:19 jransom i jut can't get that link to open to a place where i can type stuff.... 09:19 mib_gle66c koha 3.0.2.06 09:19 jransom wil try tomorrow getting late now 09:19 slef jransom: yeah, I think I've got to add a post to http://koha-community.org then everyone can comment on it for a month 09:20 slef the wiki does not do what I want :( 09:20 slef have I mentioned before how much I dislike mediawiki? ;-) 09:21 slef wikis are meant to be quick and easy (wiki wiki = quick in Hawaiian or something, doesn't it?). mediawiki seems to be neither far too often. :( 09:21 jransom i dislike it intensely too 09:26 kf I dislike it too 09:26 kf I like dokuwiki 09:26 magnuse i like mediawiki... 09:27 kf although the syntax for tables is nice in mediawiki 09:27 eythian what? It's horrific. 09:27 magnuse jransom: what were you trying to do? 09:27 kf you can do some nice things with it - compared to dokuwiki 09:27 kf I like the rest of the dokuwiki syntax better though 09:28 slef @later tell chris_n I'm not sure if SIP 3 is confidential, but I'd need to check quite what the current terms are. At worst, it will be public at some point, the process is not under our control at all, it was a tough slog to get any access, it will happen whether or not we're involved and it seemed better to have one community/third sector organisation involved than none. 09:28 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 09:28 kf eythian: you are not still at work, aren't you? 09:28 eythian kf: the pmwiki table syntax is nice. You make a table using || and such, and it ends up looking like a table. 09:28 eythian I am 09:28 kf oucch 09:28 slef eythian: RST even simpler isn't it? 09:28 eythian I'm leaving for a workshop tomorrow, so trying to get my laptop in shape. 09:28 eythian slef: never used it. 09:29 slef eythian: you just underline column headings with "===== ===== ====" and so on 09:29 kf never change a running system.. 09:29 eythian yeah, I think pmwiki is similar, although it's been a while. 09:29 slef kf: not never, but don't deny the costs of changing. 09:30 Oak time for class 09:30 Oak later guys 09:30 slef eythian: ah, with RST, I think you don't use || but let it work it out from fixed widths and the column heading underline's spaces. I don't write RST tables that much, though. 09:30 slef bye Oak 09:31 eythian oh right, that could be good too 09:31 kf slef: was talkign about changing to much on a laptop before leaving for a workshop 09:31 kf I have no good experience with such things 09:31 kf :) 09:31 slef kf: oh I was talking about bring back dokuwiki all is forgiven ;-) 09:31 slef kf: transferable skills rock! 09:31 * magnuse had not thought about marc dialects as a problem related to the debian packages. ouch... #marcmustdie 09:32 eythian kf: it's not so much changing, as adding the stuff I'll need for a demo I'm going to give. 09:32 eythian magnuse: yeah, it's a tricky one alright. 09:32 jransom i've got it working - had to validadte my email address 09:32 jransom i'm uploading a gazillion ideas for papers i' 09:32 jransom papers i'd like to listen to 09:32 kf :) 09:33 kf eythian: good luck for your workshop - have fun :) 09:33 magnuse jransom++ 09:33 eythian cheers :) need to do more talk writing too, but there's an 8 hour plane flight for that. 09:34 magnuse eythian: i here i was thinking the translations were the only thing i had to solve... 09:35 eythian No, I'm afraid not :) 09:35 eythian although, I think that the MARC stuff won't be too bad really. 09:35 kf magnuse: start with translations... and worry about marc later? 09:37 magnuse eythian: i guess there is the marcflavor stuff done by Makefile.PL that has to be an option somewhere? 09:38 eythian well, I'd like to know what it actually changes, and just make something that can template away those changes in a way the koha-create script can use. 09:38 magnuse kf: hm, i'd say marcflavor is actually more important, you could start using koha in english then switch to your translation when it is ready. not so easy to change marcflavor... 09:39 kf magnuse: yes, i see that - but I thought that perhaps languages might be a bit easier for the start 09:39 magnuse eythian: i looked at that when i changed Makefile.PL to account for normarc, but i don't remember now 09:39 eythian I suspect it's mostly in the zebra config 09:39 kf hm 09:39 magnuse eythian: yup, it wasn't anything huge ;-) 09:39 magnuse kf: marc might be easier, actually 09:40 magnuse eythian: so you think marcflavor should be an option for koha-create? 09:40 slef I think there's only maybe zebra configs? 09:40 * slef checks Makefile.PL 09:41 slef ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT 09:43 slef pazpar2 config too 09:43 mib_gle66c Hi <slef> , my requirement is not in the specified link http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x5722#labellayouts ? 09:44 eythian magnuse: yeah, that way you can run usmarc and nomarc side by side 09:44 magnuse cool 09:44 slef mib_gle66c: callnumber and itemtype are shown. What's missing? 09:45 jransom o - I think I'd run out of burning questions ... thats 6 ideas up now counting magnus's one 09:45 magnuse i hope to get some time during summer to start a wiki page for ducumenting the commands and options provided by the packages - it's not man but would be a start... 09:45 jransom time to pass the batton! 09:45 jransom baton ... 09:46 magnuse well done jransom :-) 09:47 jransom oh - i have one more - rfid 09:47 jcamins_away Let's try this whole "flying home" thing again, shall we? 09:47 eythian jcamins_away: hopefully you don't have volcanoes to contend with like here :) 09:48 magnuse love the "Customizing homepage OPAC" idea - actually i think we could have a page on the wiki with links to opacs that do interesting things 09:48 jcamins_away eythian: no, just electric storms. 09:48 magnuse sounds scary 09:49 eythian steam powered storms are so old now. It's pretty much all electric. 09:49 magnuse hehe 09:49 jcamins_away eythian: but we were bumped (voluntarily, since I didn't want us to be split up) yesterday, then our replacement flight was cancelled, and we were put on completely different flights, so I called and complained and they put us on a 6:00am flight. 09:49 eythian erk 09:50 eythian According to the ash forecast, I should be OK for tomorrow's flying. 09:50 jransom that customizing opacs topic crops up quite often actually 09:50 eythian yeah, I'm doing a talk on it for the workshop I'm doing. 09:50 slef "Jay Jordan to retire as OCLC President and CEO" errr, how can a co-op's CEO be its president? Very strange. 09:50 jransom Robin .... 09:50 eythian It's not something I know heaps about however, so it'll be an overview. 09:50 jransom didnt realise it was you 09:51 eythian what's me? 09:51 wahanui hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence 09:51 jransom thanks for your help today 09:51 eythian no problem :) 09:51 slef oh we've got fun tomorrow: UK border guards are on strike 09:51 jransom apart from the lack of mind reading ... 09:51 magnuse o/ 09:51 eythian yeah, sorry about that, the circuits are on the fritz 09:51 slef jransom: can I introduce you to /whois NICKNAME ? ;-) 09:51 druthb Hi, magnuse. :) 09:52 jransom i know that - i just forget it 09:52 jransom heya Rith 09:52 druthb Hi, jransom! 09:53 magnuse jransom: is rith how you pronounce ruth? ;-) 09:53 jransom lol 09:53 mib_gle66c <slef>: I want callnumber and item type not encoded in the graphic ,but separately above the barcode graphic 09:53 kf hehe 09:53 jransom tired fingers 09:54 jransom thinking of taking diction lessons so i can learn how to speak English properly 09:54 slef mib_gle66c: I thought that was what that did. Those are text fields to print, not fields to encode. 09:54 eythian NZ english only has one vowel, you don't need any more. 09:55 slef jransom: the English can't speak English clearly, so why do you want to show us up? 09:55 slef (bloody kiwi ratbags, going over there and taking our language) 09:55 NurAhammad is there any way to show serial logo in opac in format type? 09:56 jransom lol - 1 vowel 09:56 NurAhammad I am maintaining serials with koha 09:57 jransom I am all British descent .... no Maori blood at all ... so really I should learn Queens English - or at least be understandable by other english speaking folk 09:57 jcamins_away NurAhammad: you need to set the Leader. 09:58 NurAhammad but when i search serials in opac it shows book format 09:58 jcamins_away NurAhammad: that means you probably have the Leader wrong. 09:58 NurAhammad is it place 7? 09:58 jcamins_away Either that or it's an item type image, in which case you need to have a different item type for serials. 09:59 eythian it sounds to me like the leader 09:59 jcamins_away Yeah, LDR/07. 10:00 jcamins_away It should be s. 10:00 NurAhammad I set serial item type? 10:00 NurAhammad ok I will try. 10:00 NurAhammad thanks. 10:01 jcamins_away If it's the item type image, you also need to set the images for each itemtype. 10:02 NurAhammad I already set item type image. 10:02 NurAhammad It is basically format image. 10:02 * eythian hates the MARC leader, it's a terrible way of doing what it tries to do. #marcmustdie 10:03 * magnuse agrees 10:04 * jcamins_away , too. 10:04 druthb MARC-- 10:04 jransom slef: are going to post that link to koha list asking for ideas of papers you'd like to see OR to browse the list to see what paper you could present? 10:05 slef NurAhammad: no, not item type, bibliographic/MARC record leader field (tab 0 usually) 10:05 eythian oh good. THe progress bar I was waiting on too 30 minutes to get to 12%. Now it's jumped back to 0. 10:05 eythian *took 10:06 slef jransom: I'll post various links once I've created them. Or someone else could beat me to it. I'm a bit busy because it's Co-operatives Fortnight here and I'm at events this afternoon and tomorrow morning, on top of my usual workload. 10:06 Judit eythian: you need to watch the progress bar at all the time- it helps, you know 10:06 jransom ok cool 10:07 eythian Judit: heh, it's true 10:07 slef I think it needs a post creating on http://koha-community.org asking for suggestions (anyone want to draft it?), then posting to the mailing list with links to that and the OCS pages for submissions, registration and schedule 10:08 slef Does that sound about right? 10:08 jransom yup. 10:09 jransom if you dont get to it i could look at it tomorrow when i get to work. 10:11 slef that'd be great if you could... get me anything any way you can and I'll move it on... seriously overloaded here today :-/ 10:12 jransom ok - I'll take responsibility for doing that 10:18 eythian I really need a faster netbook 10:18 jransom good night all 10:19 jcamins_away Good night? 10:19 magnuse g'night jransom 10:19 eythian bye! 10:19 jcamins_away When NZ says "good night," I _know_ I'm up too early. 10:20 magnuse hehe 10:32 magnuse wow, wiki pages without categories look weird 10:33 magnuse it's a start: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gallery_of_customized_OPACs 10:37 eythian time for me to go home and start packing now I think 10:37 magnuse have fun, eythian 10:50 slef time for me to panic-pack too :) 10:50 slef talk to you later/tomorrow 11:10 magnuse have fun, slef 11:19 mib_7m2zm4 I want to display callnumber and itemtype in addition to the barcode number in the barcode layout How can i do it ; I also tried the koha community manual but failed 12:20 gmcharlt @quote random 12:20 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010) 12:22 jwagner @quote random 12:22 huginn jwagner: Quote #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to get intelligent participation, or just saying we're going to do it MY way" (added by brendan at 03:58 PM, March 01, 2010) 12:23 oleonard Hmmmm... 12:34 * Agent_Dani would have found that quote useful at her previous employer. 13:34 oleonard Hooray for the end (I hope) of the Linux anti-virus thread. 13:38 kf hm 13:38 kf this patch on the list 13:38 kf does it delete the first paragraph on purpuse? 13:38 kf it seems nto related to the description of what it's supposed to do 14:33 kf jcamins_away: really really away? 14:33 oleonard You never can tell. 14:37 kf nope 14:38 kf I have a library askign about cataloging coins... thought he might have an idea 14:55 kf ugh 14:55 kf 2 titles created from acq - both have one item on order - both link to the same basket 14:55 kf and int he basket... there is only 1 line 15:05 oakivil hello #koha 15:05 oakivil i was thinking abouot the aquisitions module 15:06 oakivil when an order is placed, is it sent as a email to vendor? 15:06 oakivil would it be possible to integrate aquisitions module to vendors interface? 15:07 oakivil so things would be more automated 15:08 oakivil i guess that is something you are already working on 15:14 oleonard "...most librarians are little more than unionized pawns for the social-activist bosses of the American Library Association" 15:14 oleonard Nice. http://www.fbnewsleader.com/articles/2011/06/29/opinion/00editavptmikethompson.txt 15:16 gmcharlt heh - and on the flip side, there are people who point out that the American Librarian Association is not the American *Librarian* Association and wish for something that was an actual union 15:16 gmcharlt er, s/Librarian/Library/ for the first one 15:16 oleonard (not that "Florida's oldest weekly newspaper" should be given any credence at all) 15:21 clrh bybe 15:21 oakivil bybe 15:55 Oak kf 15:58 kf Oak 15:59 kf ah, solved my acq mystery - one order was cancelled, but title and item not deleted. 16:00 kf now I can leave - bye all :) 16:24 wizzyrea very quiet today 16:25 Oak hm 16:25 tcohen hi wizzyrea 16:28 wizzyrea mornin 16:28 tcohen has anyone worked on integrating koha with repository software like DSpace or EPrints? 16:29 tcohen using standards like SWORD ? 16:30 tcohen well, next semester i plan to start implementing something like that 16:30 tcohen he 16:30 hdl tcohen: have fun 16:30 tcohen wizzyrea, i tried to make some noise 16:31 tcohen hdl, have you worked on smth like that? 16:32 hdl Nope would be quite interested in that... But first have to solve some other issues. 16:32 hdl like solr integration and performance issues. 16:33 hdl solr integration is getting better and better. But librarians are asking for crazy things 16:35 wizzyrea hehe 16:35 wizzyrea @quote get 123 16:35 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:36 rhcl_away tchoen: when you say "integrating koha with DSpace", what exactly do you mean? Being able to enter DSpace data into Koha for integrated search results perhaps? 16:36 rhcl We have an on-off-on-off digital project based on DSpace, and I'm interested in discussing it or anything related to Koha integration. 16:38 rhcl to change hdl's statement slightly: "crazy librarians are asking for things" 16:38 Oak heya druthb :) 16:39 druthb Hi, Oak. :) 16:39 Oak that was quick, if may say so 16:39 Oak uh oh 16:39 Oak :) 16:39 hdl crazy librarians, looks like a tautology.... like rich swiss person :P ... or wicked programmers 16:41 Oak time to watch a movie 16:43 cait hi 16:44 Oak cait 16:45 hdl rhcl: just kidding... 16:46 cait Oak 16:47 cait hi hdl 16:47 hdl hi cait 16:53 wizzyrea oleonard: about? 16:54 oleonard Layabout mostly. 16:54 wizzyrea :) 16:54 wizzyrea had anyone reported to you that the tickboxes for hiding columns in batch edit/delete were acting funky? 16:54 wizzyrea not bug 6446 16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6446 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , batch item deletion interface problems 16:54 wizzyrea it's different 16:54 cait have not really used it since change to tt 16:55 wizzyrea sec, screencap inc 16:55 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/dZuvcP7D 16:55 wizzyrea that is just weird behavior 16:55 oleonard wizzyrea: If anyone has told me I've forgotten. If you file a bug report I can take a look. 16:55 wizzyrea k 16:59 * oleonard had better fix a bug soon or he'll forget how 16:59 wizzyrea bug 6543 16:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6543 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Column hiding on batch item edit/delete not working 16:59 cait probably like riding a bike :) 17:00 cait and we go near the evil orange again :( 17:00 oleonard ? 17:00 cait sign off counter 17:01 cait 49 waiting 17:01 cait I think 50 will change color again 17:01 cait bug status is http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 17:01 cait sign off counter is http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 17:18 nengard cait i have an easy one waiting for sign off 17:18 nengard it's just a help file :) 17:18 nengard if someone wants to sign off on it 17:21 cait I will keep it in mind :) 17:22 cait have to do some other things tonight :( but ordering new laptop on friday, hope it will make things a bit easier and faster 17:22 tcohen rhcl: i'm back 17:23 tcohen rhcl: integrating with DSpace: the possibility to catalog and upload digital content in koha 17:23 tcohen uploaded content is stored in DSpace as backend using SWORD 17:23 tcohen thats' what i mean 17:26 tcohen hdl: im willing to try solr integration and contribute to that project also 17:29 hdl nice 17:29 hdl dev_patches at biblibre.com if you like 17:29 hdl See you 17:29 tcohen thanks hdl 17:49 wizzyrea question, what is the score on the bib import tool? 17:49 gmcharlt wizzyrea: in what sense? 17:50 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/PagaCYq5 17:50 wizzyrea what does that mean/denote 17:52 gmcharlt wizzyrea: so in a matching rule, each matchpoint you specify has a score associated with it 17:52 wizzyrea aha, I did not realize 17:53 gmcharlt if the rule has 3 matchpoints, say OCLC #, ISBN, and title 17:53 gmcharlt each can have a score 17:53 gmcharlt say 500 for OCLC#, 300 for ISBN, and 200 for title 17:53 gmcharlt then if a given bib matches an existing one on a particular match point 17:53 gmcharlt that score is added to a total for that bib 17:54 gmcharlt and if the total goes over the threshold for that matching rule, it's considered a full match 17:54 gmcharlt so in my example, if the threshold for the rule were set at 500 17:54 gmcharlt a match *just* on OCLC number would be enough 17:54 wizzyrea aha 17:54 wizzyrea gotya 17:54 gmcharlt otherwise, the match woudl require both ISBN and title to get to 500 17:55 wizzyrea thanks :) 17:56 druthb gmcharlt++ 17:56 wizzyrea is the threshold user configurable? 17:57 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yes, it's part of the overall matching rule definition 17:57 gmcharlt and the actual numbers you assign to thresholds and scores are arbitrary 17:57 wizzyrea o, so it doesn't strictly *mean* something 17:57 wizzyrea a particular number, that is 17:57 gmcharlt right 17:57 gmcharlt my example could easily have involved 5, 3, and 2 17:58 wizzyrea got it. gmcharlt++ thanks for explaining that 17:58 nengard gmcharlt, while you're talking about it can you explain how to make matching rules? 17:58 nengard I don't have much documented on that 17:58 nengard and this is very helpful 17:58 nengard of course you could submit a patch to the manual if you want :) 17:59 gmcharlt nengard: indeed, but I may as well answer your question as well 17:59 gmcharlt so they're set up in Admin | Record Matching Rules, natch 18:00 gmcharlt the matching rule code is whatever you want it to be 18:00 gmcharlt as are the description and threshold 18:00 wizzyrea ooooo 18:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ very helpful 18:00 gmcharlt then you can set up as many "match pionts" and "match checks" as you want 18:01 nengard what is a match point and a match check? 18:01 gmcharlt (and if you're *very* special, you can also be typo-free) 18:01 nengard hehe 18:01 nengard i'm never typo free 18:01 gmcharlt a match point says that for the specify tag and subfield (and offset and length if you're talking about a fixed field) 18:01 gmcharlt do a search on the search index specified in the match point 18:01 gmcharlt the search index = just a normal CCL index code 18:02 gmcharlt the incoming bib's tag/subfield are checked 18:02 gmcharlt and the value searched on 18:02 gmcharlt any bibs that are brought up by the search 18:02 gmcharlt get the score specified in the matching point added to the total 18:03 gmcharlt so then all of the match points are checked for an incoming bibs 18:04 gmcharlt and the existing bibs whose total scores are over the threshold are kept for the next phase 18:04 gmcharlt which is the "match check" 18:04 gmcharlt match check two sets of tags/subfields specified 18:04 gmcharlt one for the incoming bib 18:04 gmcharlt one for the existing bib 18:04 gmcharlt and for an existing bib to be retaiend as a match 18:04 gmcharlt it *must* pass the match check 18:05 nengard yikes, this is a lot :) I'm going to see if I can translate it into the manual - and if i do it wrong you're free to fix my mistakes 18:06 nengard for search indexes - are these all of them? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/kohasearchindexes.html 18:06 nengard or does this list at least look right? 18:06 nengard and do i put the text or the number in for the search index? 18:07 gmcharlt nengard: not that one 18:07 gmcharlt it needs to be one of the ones listed in ccl.properties 18:07 gmcharlt so table 11.1 has the list 18:08 nengard okay - good to know 18:08 nengard does that table look complete? (I could of course go check the code 18:08 nengard ) 18:11 gmcharlt nengard: not complete in the sense of being 100% complete, but it is certainly representative 18:11 gmcharlt I just suggest saying the CCL qualifiers "include" rather than "are" 18:11 nengard okay so i need to check the code and get it to be inclusive (or update the text as you suggest) 18:12 gmcharlt the documentation already references ccl.properties 18:12 gmcharlt and I think that's sufficient 18:12 nengard k 18:28 slef gmcharlt: any idea if/how you're voting on sip3? 18:30 gmcharlt slef: not yet; I need to sit down with the full spec some evenign this week 18:31 * oleonard would imagine that to be sleep-inducing 18:34 Oak Bonne Nuit 18:58 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6066] itemtype when ordering and item-level_itype=no <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6066> 19:06 adnc huhu koha 19:14 slef oops I just flamed NISO 19:14 slef oh well, they're a confusing bloody mess, so it's their own fault! :) 19:18 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in basket.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6268> 19:24 slef anyone else think the 3.4.2 announcement email had encoding problems? 19:30 rhcl @later tell tchoen RE: DSpace and Koha - I think what might be more interesting and valuable for me would be able to import DSpace records into Koha for a single point of search, not simply using the Koha interface to backend DSpace records. 19:30 huginn rhcl: The operation succeeded. 19:31 oleonard rhcl: You misspelled tcohen's nick 19:32 wizzyrea another handy trick, you can /msg that stuff to huginn directly 19:32 rhcl d* 19:32 wizzyrea something like /msg huginn @later tell blah blah blah 19:32 rhcl @later tell tcohen RE: DSpace and Koha - I think what might be more interesting and valuable for me would be able to import DSpace records into Koha for a single point of search, not simply using the Koha interface to backend DSpace records. 19:32 huginn rhcl: The operation succeeded. 19:35 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea, I left you a secret message. 19:41 druthb rhcl++ 19:41 druthb Two_interfaces-- 19:44 wizzyrea a secret message! 19:44 wizzyrea hehe 19:46 magnuse y'all seen this? http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2011/129/Koha-Library-System downloading the pdf on a slow connection now... 19:46 wizzyrea oo 19:55 magnuse ouch, wrong url in the article... 19:56 wizzyrea bleh 19:56 oleonard Crap. 19:56 cait really? 19:56 cait :( 19:56 wizzyrea well I can't make it load so 19:56 wizzyrea there's that 19:59 * oleonard emails the editor 19:59 wizzyrea did you note the manual link isn't correct either 19:59 wizzyrea though that's a fantastic tutorial on doing it in opensuse 20:00 oleonard wizzyrea: Not specifically, but the more the merrier. 20:01 oleonard The auto-response says "Thank you for your article proposal or manuscript." 20:02 oleonard :| 20:02 wizzyrea yikes 20:03 cait oleonard++ for writing it 20:03 cait I am quite sure there was something about that on twitter and the right link was mentioned 20:03 cait and they still got it wrong :( 20:06 magnuse well, some people are in for a surprise, then... :-| 20:14 magnuse wow, it's weird and cool seing the output of rebuild_zebra.pl in a magazine! 20:18 oleonard An article about software first developed in New Zealand written by someone in Cyprus illustrated with a picture of a library in Prague: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Strahov_Monastery_001.jpg 20:18 nengard heh 20:19 jcamins_away oleonard: thanks! I couldn't remember which library that was. 20:26 cait paul_p: around? 20:28 wizzyrea tee hee 20:30 cait nengard++ :) 20:30 cait time to sleep for me - bye all! 20:34 library_guy_work seen nengard 20:34 wahanui nengard was last seen on #koha 15 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: heh [Wed Jun 29 20:18:44 2011] 20:35 nengard still here :) 20:35 library_guy_work hey nengard you around? 20:35 library_guy_work hey 20:35 library_guy_work ok 20:35 library_guy_work so i was reading your additions and I just want to make sure I understand 20:35 nengard k 20:35 library_guy_work so an Item is "unavailable" then you still want to see the call number? 20:36 library_guy_work I think cait wanted something similar 20:36 nengard yes, or at least hide the locations line 20:36 nengard oh well if someone else wants it then yes i want the call number :) 20:36 library_guy_work lol 20:36 library_guy_work ok sounds good to me...i think i can do that... 20:37 nengard did the other stuff make sense too? 20:37 library_guy_work does it currently show if there is an item unavailable? 20:37 nengard no 20:37 library_guy_work ahh ok so ill probably have to pull that from somewhere 20:37 library_guy_work boo 20:38 library_guy_work I took the other stuff to mean that if there isn't a call number in the first "copy" then print the second call number 20:38 library_guy_work im not sure how to do that but ill see if I can do some digging 20:38 nengard yes that's what i meant, otherwise it looks like there are no call numbers 20:39 library_guy_work right 20:39 library_guy_work the issue that i saw with this is volumes of books 20:39 library_guy_work if there is more than one volume then technically there is more than one call number 20:39 nengard and as for the preference the pull down is supposed to be the beginning of the sentence - otherwise you have it saying "Show Show" 20:39 nengard or "Don't show Show" 20:39 library_guy_work lol yeah that was just me not paying attention :'( 20:40 * nengard is an english major 20:40 library_guy_work those are easy the easy fixes...im kind of concerned about pulling back the second call number if the first is blank 20:41 nengard and the default should be 'don't show' cause that's how it is now and people don't like things changing on them :) 20:41 nengard oh 20:41 nengard well i have faith in you :) 20:41 library_guy_work lol thanks 20:41 nengard and will gladly test and sign off on your patch when it's fixed 20:41 nengard just remember to update the status to 'needs signoff' from 'failed qa' 20:41 library_guy_work ill probably try and fix the patch this weekend...i have finals this week and next 20:41 * library_guy_work is stressed 20:42 nengard no problem 20:42 nengard focus on the finals!! 20:42 wizzyrea oh yea 20:42 wizzyrea focus on the finals 20:42 library_guy_work do I just submit the full patch again or the partial? 20:42 nengard full again 20:42 library_guy_work ok 20:42 library_guy_work :) 20:42 nengard and put the bug number in the patch title 20:42 library_guy_work lol will do 20:42 library_guy_work i know i forgot that last time :'( 20:43 nengard no prob 20:43 library_guy_work sorry for being a newb :-/ 20:43 nengard you put it in the email so i was able to find it 20:43 nengard never be sorry!! 20:43 nengard we were all new once :) 20:43 library_guy_work lol true true 20:43 nengard i couldn't figure out how to even email the patch in the beginning 20:43 library_guy_work haha i still have to use scp so send it 20:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5878] overdue printing fixes and improvements <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5878> 20:46 nengard okay time for me to quit - need some rest after ALA 20:46 nengard email if you have further questions 20:52 slef erm, I'm sure I've sorted this out before 20:53 slef merge_authorities.pl - does it exist? Am I going crackers? 20:55 slef It's mentioned in http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c13514#catalogcron under 15.1.5.2 20:58 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5719] Update UNIMARC plugins <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5719> 21:18 wizzyrea well whatever was going on with RSS yesterday + the koha site is better today. 21:18 wizzyrea so those feeds are back now. 21:30 gmcharlt anybody else seeing that when receiving serial issues (and adding items at the time of checkin) that the items are not being created? 21:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6517] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517> 21:47 magnuse ...and with that i bid y'all a good night (or other time of the day)