Time Nick Message
00:00 slef and I've internet again... wonder what that was about
00:00 slef On the plus side, I've discovered my backup connection is down too, before it really matters ;-)
00:05 pianohacker @last seen sekjal
00:05 huginn pianohacker: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
00:05 pianohacker @last sekjal
00:05 huginn pianohacker: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
00:05 slef @seen sekjal
00:05 huginn slef: sekjal was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 49 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <sekjal> hey, all, I can't stay long (meetings), but I wanted to thank everyone working on the signoffs today. I'll try to make sure those are pushed through QA as quickly as I can
00:05 pianohacker oh, right
00:05 pianohacker thanks
00:07 eythian pianohacker: rangi won't be around much today, I expect. He's up north telling people they want Koha.
00:07 pianohacker eythian: ok, thanks
00:08 pianohacker In that case, does anyone know what the procedure is for a patch that fails signoff or qa? Resubmit, or an additional patch?
00:09 eythian whichever suits the situation I expect.
00:11 slef resubmit 9/10?
00:12 pianohacker k
00:42 druthb o/
00:43 druthb \o
00:43 druthb \o\
00:43 druthb /o/
00:43 eythian get up, get up and DANCE
00:43 druthb \o/
00:43 Agent_Dani >.<
00:43 druthb lol
00:43 Agent_Dani Evening, druthb
00:43 eythian http://bash.org/?4281 <-- see also
00:44 mtj hi folks
00:44 druthb hi, Dani. :)
00:45 mtj ive got another 3m self-check question. for slef or bywater peeps
00:46 mtj has anyone experienced 'BAD SEQUENCE' SIP message errors on the 3m before?
01:10 steven hi anyone there?
01:11 steven i'm using koha 3.2.0...but i would like to upgrade to the latest 3.4.1, can anyone guide me on how to upgrade it?
01:13 slef steven: have you seen the UPGRADE section of the INSTALL file in the download?
01:14 slef pianohacker: I tweaked your bug 6492 patch a little during signoff and fluffed the description layout a bit. Hope you don't mind.
01:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6492 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED , Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail
01:14 steven slef: how can I access the INSTALL file?
01:16 mtj sorry, got distracted..
01:16 slef steven: when you unpack the koha 3.4.1 download, there will be a choice of INSTALL files in it.
01:17 mtj steven: or look in the Koha git repo
01:17 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=summary
01:17 slef http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;h=ad72f266b9a9ee9d60062f4d38f326c92acb5674;hb=03e6e5cb033edceaffef0dd693300df8fa9fb0f6 is 3.4.1
01:17 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tree
01:18 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL;h=aadef20eddaacecffe96e2215913eea7e91b6efd;hb=HEAD
01:18 slef 3.4.1 is http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;h=ad72f266b9a9ee9d60062f4d38f326c92acb5674;hb=03e6e5cb033edceaffef0dd693300df8fa9fb0f6 rather
01:18 slef 3.4.1?
01:18 wahanui 3.4.1 is http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;h=ad72f266b9a9ee9d60062f4d38f326c92acb5674;hb=03e6e5cb033edceaffef0dd693300df8fa9fb0f6 rather
01:18 slef :)
01:18 mtj ah, even better :)
01:19 steven so i dont need to backup mySQL database during upgrading?
01:19 slef steven: it would be a good idea to do so.
01:19 slef steven: you should be backing it up regularly anyway IMO.
01:20 mtj slef: could i pick your brain about my 3m-SC problem?
01:20 mtj steven: you deserve a slap for that :)
01:20 slef mtj: my brain is asleep :-( I don't remember seeing that error. Seems like the sort of thing that would be on the web.
01:21 mtj its a more subtle problem that that
01:21 steven ya...i do backup for the whole system....
01:21 slef hmm, "BAD SEQUENCE" is not a search-engine friendly term
01:22 slef steven: it's worth taking a backup before you upgrade, to give an easier escape route if things go wrong.
01:24 steven so in term of variable and database structure using between 3.2.0 and 3.4.1....is there any changes?
01:24 mtj im hoping my 3m problem turns out to be a hardware clock bug :/
01:25 mtj the 3m was 50 seconds fast, with a busted ntpd
01:26 mtj steven: yep
01:26 steven so how is the command for upgrading?
01:27 mtj ive only used git , so far
01:27 mtj but i recommend the deb packages
01:28 steven i just downloaded the tar.gz version
01:29 steven previously i m using koha live cd to complete the installation....so i am not so familiar with the command in ubuntu platform
01:30 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
01:31 mtj ah, i dont think the deb packages have been built for 3.4
01:32 mtj so... i recommend git
01:32 steven bcoz i m using ubuntu....
01:32 eythian there are no packages for 3.4 yet, but they will hopefully be coming with the nest release, there were issues that had to be fixed.
01:32 steven and i m new to the platform actually...so i dont have much acknowledge
01:33 steven then can i update to 3.2.9?
01:33 steven *knowledge
01:33 mtj use debian if you are serious about a production Koha install
01:33 mtj most Koha dev and prod boxes are debian
01:34 steven how can i convert to debian platform?
01:34 steven u mean i have to re-install the whole system?
01:34 slef @query 3.4
01:34 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5999 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Biblibre : Performance enhancements for 3.4
01:34 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5575 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , 3.4 BibLibre circ & members improvements
01:34 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5992 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Biblibre various improvements for 3.4
01:34 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , 3.4 cataloguing improvements
01:34 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
01:35 slef that's it, the last one: "I'm hoping to make packages for the next 3.4 release." ;-)
01:35 slef bye
02:11 Brooke kia ora
02:20 eythian �hola!
02:24 Brooke :D
02:24 Brooke hola amigo, que passsaaaa?
03:37 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;)
03:37 Amit_Gupta good morning koha ;)
03:43 jransom heya Amit
03:54 Amit_Gupta heya jransom
05:05 cait morning
05:05 Oak guten morgen cait :)
05:05 eythian howdy
05:06 Oak hello mr. robin
05:06 Oak :)
05:12 cait hi mr robin
05:12 cait guten morgen Oak :)
05:12 Oak :)
05:29 Oak welcome back oh miss
05:29 cait thx
05:29 cait :)
05:29 Oak :p
05:29 cait how was the lunar eclipse?
05:30 Oak very mysterious
05:30 Oak first time I every saw.. normally i don't bother
05:31 Oak saw it when it less than half darkened.. then late at night saw when moon was totally dark... very dim... barely visible
05:32 Oak did you see it?
05:52 cait Oak: no, but it was very cloudy, so probably difficult to get a good view
05:52 Oak ah
05:56 cait Oak: we are going to the zoo today :)
06:06 alex_a bonjour cait, Oak !
06:07 cait bonjour alex_a
06:07 cait and bye all :) have a nice day!
06:11 alex_a thx cait you too
06:11 Oak oh good cait :) with your little cousin?
06:11 Oak bonjour alex_a :)
06:13 Oak ... cait because you said something like that when bug sign off day was being discussed and you said 16 is no good... have to take someone to zoo
06:14 Oak i think
06:17 cait no, not a cousin
06:17 cait my best friends :)
06:17 Oak good
06:17 cait will drag them to see the elephants bathing
06:17 Oak excellent
06:17 Oak who would want to miss that :)
06:17 cait :)
06:30 reiveune hello
06:30 wahanui privet, reiveune
06:52 christophe_c hi all
06:52 Oak hello christophe_c :)
06:52 christophe_c ;-)
07:03 julian hello!
07:08 Oak hello julian :)
07:09 francharb hello all
07:09 Oak hello francharb :)
07:49 Oak this is good song to be listening when fixing bugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syyWdriHtFE :p funky
08:03 Oak or, this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PShe80ZD6oA
08:30 slef @later tell cait summoning does work but not very quickly ;-)
08:30 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
08:30 magnuse how big was the delay? ;-)
08:31 slef about 26 hours
08:31 magnuse hehe
08:32 slef I'm happy with the present the co-op has given me. I can sign off again :)
08:32 magnuse yay! Present?
08:33 imageologist hi,
08:34 magnuse hiya imageologist
08:35 slef magnuse: well, I didn't install the server I'm using.
08:35 imageologist nice to meet u hiya
08:35 imageologist are you using koha?
08:35 imageologist i have some issues
08:36 magnuse nice to meet you too, imageologist
08:36 magnuse imageologist: bring 'em on, and we'll see what we can do
08:36 magnuse we're all koha people in here (but i'm not sure how many people are actually here at the moment ;-)
08:36 imageologist :)
08:37 imageologist i'm looking for Koha for Windows
08:37 imageologist is there any release for windows XP?
08:37 magnuse ah, that's a tough one
08:37 magnuse nope
08:37 magnuse i think maybe you can get 2.2.9 to work, but that is really old now
08:38 imageologist so its purly based on linux
08:38 magnuse do you just want to test koha?
08:38 slef Windows?
08:38 wahanui Windows is only version 7
08:38 magnuse or are you looking to run it on windows in production?
08:38 slef wahanui: forget Windows
08:38 wahanui slef: I forgot windows
08:38 imageologist yeah i found it on http://www.koha.rwjr.com/Koha_on_Windows.html#d0e64
08:39 magnuse the problem is that some of the perl modules koha needs are not easily available for windows at the moment
08:39 imageologist but really its too old... and nothing found any good support regarding 2.2.9 release
08:39 slef Windows is a poor fit for free software like Koha. Some of the thing's we use heavily are not easily available at the moment. No-one's funded Koha 3.x for Windows and I'm not sure who'd be willing to work on it. You are probably best off using a liveCD for testing, then commissioning a GNU/Linux server.
08:40 magnuse but i have heard rumors that http://strawberryperl.com/ will fix this, but i'm not sure when and how
08:40 slef damn, ytpo, never mind
08:40 slef imageologist: any reason not to use GNU/Linux for it?
08:40 magnuse running linux w/koha in a virtual machine is also an option
08:41 slef yeah, server, virtual server, all is good
08:41 imageologist yeah currently i'm testing this VM
08:41 imageologist on Linux
08:42 magnuse there are some notes on koha and strawberry here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/StrawberryPerl but that page has not been updated for a year...
08:43 magnuse imageologist: you have a vm running linux on your windows machine?
08:43 imageologist yes
08:43 magnuse cool
08:43 magnuse that is probably the easiest option
08:44 imageologist yeah... i'm not very much cognizant on Linux
08:45 imageologist i just got a project for a local public library...
08:45 imageologist so that's why... i'm reviewing on koha
08:45 magnuse cool
08:45 imageologist to deploy a completes solution for this library
08:46 magnuse makes me curious as to whereabouts in the world the library is located... ;-)
08:48 alex_a @quote random wahanui: slef: I forgot windows
08:48 huginn alex_a: (quote random [<channel>]) -- Returns a random quote from <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
08:48 alex_a arf
08:49 alex_a @quote add wahanui: slef: I forgot windows
08:49 alex_a @quote add wahanui: slef: I forgot windows
08:49 huginn alex_a: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
08:49 alex_a :'(
08:49 slef alex_a: same problem I have with that.
08:49 slef magnuse: pk at a guess.
08:50 slef imageologist: factor in either the cost of learning, or the cost of expert support. It'll probably still come out ahead.
08:50 magnuse slef, ah yes, probably
08:50 slef alex_a: that is just so I can do this next time we get this FAQ:
08:50 slef Windows?
08:50 wahanui Windows is, like, a poor fit for free software like Koha. Some of the thing's we use heavily are not easily available at the moment. No-one's funded Koha 3.x for Windows and I'm not sure who'd be willing to work on it. You are probably best off using a liveCD for testing, then commissioning a GNU/Linux server
08:53 alex_a slef: ok, i forgot add a quote too ...
09:55 druthb o/
09:55 magnuse \o
09:55 druthb Hi, Magnus! :D
09:55 magnuse hi there druthb
10:53 magnuse moi oakivil
10:53 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6510] "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6510>
10:54 oakivil moi magnuse
11:28 slef @later tell nengard have you got their email address? I can probably find it if you need it.
11:28 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
11:29 slef anyone want that needsignoff?
11:33 slef actually reading the fix, I think there is a difference magnuse
11:37 slef deselected needsignoff on bug 6510, with comment
11:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6510 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits
11:42 magnuse you are probably right, slef - i'll send a new patch in a moment
11:42 magnuse and i think you could have set it to "failed qa"...
11:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6510] "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6510>
12:09 oleonard Our topic needs to be updated with the next meeting info
12:11 kmkale Namaskar #koha
12:24 slef have at it
12:28 oleonard Dang, now I have to actually look up when the next meeting is...
12:28 slef click topic and look at end of minutes?
12:29 slef 1. AGREED: next meeting is on 6 july 2011 10:00 UTC+0 (cait, 20:07:53)
12:31 * oleonard notices thd awoke from his long slumber for the meeting
12:31 slef hehe
12:31 * slef offers oleonard a saucer of milk
12:31 oleonard ?
12:55 jwagner Current head, when I run the fines cron I get an error: No branchcode argument to new. Should be C4::Calendar->new(branchcode => $branchcode) at fines.pl line 135
12:55 jwagner I'm not finding anything in bugzilla for that
12:55 jwagner Any ideas?
12:55 magnuse a bug? ;-)
12:56 jwagner Yeah, I kind of figured that :-)
12:56 jwagner It's been doing it since I updated sometime last week. I just did another git pull but that didn't fix it.
12:57 jwagner I made sure there was at least one calendar entry.
12:57 magnuse i don't have any libraries using fines yet, so i'm not familiar with it...
12:58 jwagner Surely someone must have run into this by now?
13:04 jwagner Found it, I think -- there's a ghost record in the issues table (deleted item)
13:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6501] Missing scroll bar when updating child <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6501>
13:07 jwagner Drat. What's the MySQL syntax to delete an entry? I don't work at that level very much
13:08 sekjal jwagner: delete from <table> where <conditions>
13:09 jwagner Thanks, sekjal. That did it and cleared the problem with the fines cron.
13:09 jwagner Very misleading error message there....
13:09 sekjal jwagner: cool, glad to be of assistance
13:32 slef does huginn not report signoffs?
13:32 magnuse don't think so, no
13:33 magnuse didn't see any yesterday
13:33 slef can we make him?
13:34 magnuse slef: probably
13:34 slef is huginn the bot formerly known as munin?
13:34 oleonard Yes
13:34 * slef updates wiki
13:35 magnuse thanks for the signoff, slef ;-)
13:35 slef magnuse: np. I'm sure I've fixed that someone else once upon a time.
13:35 * sekjal is back from is NYC meeting... lots of serial and acquisitions issues to tackle!
13:36 magnuse woohoo .-)
13:36 magnuse meeting with a client?
13:36 sekjal magnuse: yes, a law school library
13:37 sekjal very serials-heavy
13:37 magnuse ah
13:37 sekjal also, their previous ILS had a lot of Acquistions features they've gotten used to, so we have to be able to replicate workflows
13:45 * wizzyrea hears "replicate workflows" and shudders
14:03 talljoy good morning
14:03 sekjal wizzyrea: well, perhaps "replicating workflows" is not the right phrase. The process is variable, so long as the input and output are the same, at a macro level.
14:04 wizzyrea :) I just have a kind of visceral reaction to it, sorry
14:04 sekjal libraries have adapted to some pretty crazy workarounds when their old system wouldn't do what they needed
14:04 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:04 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:23 sekjal one development I'm going to be spec'ing out is a "print labels" option for serials
14:25 NCARMichael hey peeps. my overdue notice isn't displaying patrons' checkouts. :( Here's what I've got:
14:25 NCARMichael The following item(s) is/are currently overdue:
14:25 NCARMichael <item>"<<biblio.title>>" by <<biblio.author>>, <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>>, Due: <<items.onloan>></item>
14:26 NCARMichael suggestions?
14:26 wahanui suggestions are stored in the .po I think
14:27 wizzyrea forget suggestions
14:27 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot suggestions
14:33 NCARMichael anyone?
14:34 Brooke kia ora
14:35 oleonard http://sfconservancy.org/news/2011/jun/16/evergreen-joins/
14:36 Brooke Hooray!
14:38 slef mixed feelings about that one
14:38 sekjal NCARMichael: are your overdues defined per-branch, or set up for the default branch?
14:41 oleonard slef: Why?
14:44 NCARMichael default branch
14:45 NCARMichael i just wonder if i'm missing a < or a > somewhere
14:46 slef oleonard: As I understand it, that's a move from a commercially-accountable organisation to a state-government-accountable one, taking it further away from its users and developers.
14:48 slef looking more closely, it may be a move from one state's oversight to another, so actually a no-op. (Georgia's GPLS to New York's SFC)
14:49 Brooke you're stretching to apply oversight through 501c3s
14:49 wizzyrea yes, that, thanks
14:50 gmcharlt NCARMichael: check patron 8436; should now be fixed; issue was a hangover from what I did to get the first run of back overdue notices generated
14:55 slef Brooke: so why cheer it moving between them?
14:56 Brooke I cheered at the premise of more collaboration between OS projects.
14:57 rhcl EG + SFC = good
15:03 gmcharlt slef: the other factor is that is moving away from any one vendor (or any one library, for that matter) asserting control over the EG project's assets and trademarks
15:04 wizzyrea which, as we've seen, is probably best for the project.
15:08 slef yeah, but is having one non-profit that no community member has a stake in asserting control necessarily any better?
15:09 slef I mean, I've worked for non-profits. Don't assume they're specially godly.
15:09 Brooke that one has a very good reputation
15:09 Brooke conversely, don't assume that they are all corrupt.
15:10 reiveune bye
15:14 slef Brooke: No assumptions. But do you know what SFC's mission is, as stated in its constitution?
15:15 Brooke Having worked in New York I knew their good reputation.
15:15 Brooke and I can easily look at their mission.
15:15 Brooke I have no idea what benefit sewing panic everywhere you tread reaps.
15:17 slef Not panic. Just no idea why you thought it worth cheering.
15:17 slef In god we trust. All others bring data.
15:18 Brooke aren't you an atheist?
15:18 slef No.
15:18 Brooke sorry mate, thought ye were ;)
15:18 slef And the data I can see on SFC is ambiguous.
15:18 Brooke what did I say about OCLC?
15:19 slef And there's data I can't see, so it forms no part of the judgement.
15:19 slef the scary people at OCLC mostly work in the legal department?
15:21 Brooke I wish they were that confined
15:21 Brooke I'm not afraid to call shite non profit when I see it
15:21 Brooke but I don't see it here
15:22 Brooke and more often than not, when I do call it, it's not for malicious intent but for incompetent administration
15:22 Brooke neither apply here
15:23 Oak oh Hello Brooke and druthb :)
15:23 Oak @wunder
15:23 huginn Oak: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
15:23 * Brooke hugs Oak
15:23 Oak @wunder inslamabad
15:23 huginn Oak: Error: No such location could be found.
15:23 druthb hi, Oak. :)
15:24 * druthb hugs Oak.
15:24 Oak oh man two hugs
15:24 Oak awesome
15:24 Oak :)
15:24 Brooke He aha Å mahi i tÄ“nei rÄ?
15:24 Oak oh wait, let me open that Maori page
15:25 Brooke Te Reo ftw :)
15:26 Oak I did SEO work on a website, then finished making a presentation, then went to attend my class, just got back...
15:27 Oak what does ftw mean?
15:28 wizzyrea ftw?
15:28 wizzyrea ftw is for the win
15:28 Oak yup
15:28 library_systems_guy for the win
15:28 Brooke :)
15:28 * Brooke can now compile a list of gamers...
15:28 library_systems_guy lolz
15:30 Oak :)
15:30 slef @wunder islamabad
15:30 huginn slef: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 36.0�C (8:00 PM PKT on June 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: (Steady).
15:30 slef is that what you meant?
15:31 Oak yes! :)
15:31 Brooke bonjour hdl
15:31 hdl hi Brooke
15:32 Oak after two attempts, i thought, oh well, never mind, it's hot, that's enough
15:32 miguel Hello all, buenas tardes a todos
15:32 * Oak open translate.google.com
15:33 Brooke :)
15:33 Oak good afternoon to you too miguel
15:33 hdl congrats evergreen http://sfconservancy.org/news/2011/jun/16/evergreen-joins/
15:34 miguel Oak: good afternoon
15:34 Oak :)
15:39 francharb that was fast
15:39 francharb :)
15:40 Oak oh mr. robin is also here
15:40 Oak good
15:53 * Brooke is qa testing a mediterranean pizza.
15:53 druthb mmm
15:56 Oak why were we not invited?
15:56 Brooke heh, if you get here, I shall certainly buy you a pizza.
15:56 Oak :)
15:56 * druthb grabs her purse.
15:56 druthb Does that apply to me, too?
15:57 moodaepo mediterranean_pizza++
15:57 Brooke I suppose, though you don't know precisely where here is :P
15:57 rhcl it ain't kansas
15:57 Brooke alas, it is not
15:57 * Agent_Dani has bike, will travel. ;)
15:58 * druthb gets out her Snark-o-Meter. It'll find ya.
15:58 Brooke "Ooooh a sarcasm detector. Real useful."
15:58 druthb lol
15:59 * druthb shakes the meter.
15:59 Agent_Dani You have a functional one? Mine never even last a day on the job site.
15:59 druthb Brooke! your recursive snarking broke my meter.
16:00 Brooke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAReq4WMmqI
16:03 Brooke @wunder 01235
16:03 huginn Brooke: The current temperature in Pittsfield, Massachusetts is 25.0�C (11:54 AM EDT on June 16, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
16:04 druthb @wunder 20852
16:04 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 23.3�C (12:09 PM EDT on June 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
16:04 Brooke okay, seriously, that ain't right.
16:04 druthb ?
16:04 Oak something wrong with pizza?
16:04 Brooke Maryland being cooler than Massachusetts?
16:04 Brooke you don't find an issue here?
16:05 slef Brooke: last year, I visited NY, Washington, Savannah and Miami Beach. Miami Beach was the coolest.
16:05 druthb This time of year, the DC area being cooler than a steam bath is a blessing. Sha'n't quibble.
16:05 Brooke true dat druthb
16:05 Brooke and that'd be ocean effect
16:05 Brooke so at least there's a reason for it
16:06 slef I think DC was the warmest.
16:14 Agent_Dani @wunder 27599
16:14 huginn Agent_Dani: The current temperature in Falls of New Hope, Chapel Hill, North Carolina is 27.3�C (12:19 PM EDT on June 16, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
16:24 Oak ooh hello cait, guten abend.
16:24 Oak Kua kai anÅ koe?
16:25 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
16:25 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.0�C (11:30 AM CDT on June 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising).
16:25 cait hi Oak :)
16:25 wizzyrea rainy today
16:25 Oak :)
16:25 wizzyrea cait, so close, we got it down to 46
16:25 cait whoohoo
16:27 cait didn't expect that many - good result for afirst sign-off day :)
16:39 hdl how was the signoff day ?
16:39 Oak night
16:41 cait hdl: about 30 bugs
16:51 library_systems_guy what is meant by having the Supress index set up in Zebra
16:52 library_systems_guy If i wanted to enable OpacSupression
17:07 sekjal library_systems_guy: you have to have at least one biblio with a 942$n field set to "1" before you can enable the OpacSuppression sysperf
17:07 sekjal ~syspref
17:16 wizzyrea hmm that's odd
17:17 wizzyrea it looks like when you do a patron search
17:17 wizzyrea at least in my system
17:17 wizzyrea it's doing some kind of alphabetical list, but it's not really alphabetizing... as if you click to the 2nd page
17:18 wizzyrea people that should have been on the 1st page are listed there, newly alphabetized
17:18 wizzyrea that's a terrible description, let me get an example
17:27 jwagner wizzyrea, that's an old problem -- I remember seeing it a couple of years ago. There's at least one related bug report, Bug 5266
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results
17:27 wizzyrea ah thanks
17:36 sekjal yeah, the paging of patron search results applies BEFORE the sorting, so each page is alphabetized, but they're not interfiled
17:36 sekjal limitation of MySQL
17:38 sekjal I'm looking at a generic paging solution that could be applied to any query we need
17:44 wizzyrea aha
17:44 wizzyrea cool beans, thanks
17:47 wizzyrea oleonard++
17:47 * wizzyrea will try to sign off on bug 6501 today
17:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6501 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Missing scroll bar when updating child
17:47 wizzyrea but after lunch
18:08 library_systems_guy sekjal to hide opac items would it just be easier to use the OpacHiddenItems setting?
18:08 sekjal library_systems_guy: I'm not sure that that system preference is working properly...
18:08 sekjal but ideally, yes, that's how you'd hide individual items, but not the whole title
18:10 library_systems_guy I think what we are trying to accomplish is hiding brief titles such as ILL's etc
18:15 sekjal library_systems_guy: for that, I'd recommend creating (or using) a specific framework for such titles, and setting 942$n to default to 1, then turn on OpacSuppress
18:15 sekjal that'll hide the whole title, which sounds like what you're looking for
18:15 wizzyrea sekjal: that's effin brilliant
18:15 wizzyrea sekjal++
18:16 * wizzyrea wonders if the nexpress fast add framework is set for suppress
18:24 library_systems_guy gotcha, thanks sekjal
18:24 library_systems_guy sekjal++
19:05 oleonard Hi pianohacker, didn't see you come in.
19:12 pianohacker hey oleonard
19:12 wahanui rumour has it oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
19:12 pianohacker how's it going?
19:12 oleonard It's going pretty well. Are you in summer mode now?
19:12 slef roflcopter?
19:13 slef @roulette
19:13 huginn slef: *click*
19:13 slef wahanui: poisoned botsnack
19:13 wahanui :)
19:15 gmcharlt wahanui will eat anything!
19:15 wahanui gmcharlt: excuse me?
19:15 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie
19:15 wahanui thanks druthb :)
19:20 pianohacker oleonard: Yeah, working and working. Enjoying the break from school, though
19:23 rangi morning
19:24 slef odd
19:24 oleonard Hi rangi
19:28 rangi this ash better piss off
19:28 rangi or I wont be flying to ala next week
19:32 rangi otoh the sky is a lovely pink
19:32 rangi hi atz_
19:32 atz_ greets
19:34 atz_ been implementing several koha LDAP to ActiveDirectory setups this week
19:37 atz_ wasted most of a day before finding http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5094
19:37 huginn 04Bug 5094: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , auth_by_bind authentication can fail even if given a correct password and userid
19:47 rhcl I well remember the yellow sand in Korea. Sky would look hazy yellow and it left a thick film over everything. Probably had lead, plutonium, and melamine contamination. I should sue somebody.
19:47 rhcl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Dust
21:04 library_systems_guy does anybody know if the lists are broken?
21:04 library_systems_guy err...the ability to make lists
21:05 rangi wasnt last time i used them
21:05 rangi what version library_systems_guy ?
21:05 library_systems_guy head
21:05 rangi hmm ill try to get a chance to test later today (after my meetings)
21:05 library_systems_guy thanks rangi
21:06 library_systems_guy 3.05.00.002 to be exact btw
21:29 magnuse sorry for being off topic, but i just gotta share this: http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/?lang=en
21:29 wizzyrea preety
21:29 magnuse it's a 5 day boat trip along the coast of northern norway, being broadcast live on norwegian television and the web
21:29 rangi hehe
21:30 rangi ITS GONNA CRASH
21:30 rangi TURN !!!
21:30 * rangi makes it more dramatic
21:30 magnuse hehe
21:31 magnuse it just started so if you stay watching for the next 5 days you will see it all, including the place i live and the midnight sun and everything ;-)
21:31 rangi ohhh cool
21:32 rangi im off to be debriefed
21:32 rangi but ill show the kids tonight
21:32 rangi thats for sure
21:32 magnuse cool! ;-)
21:32 cait :)
21:32 magnuse it should not get much darker than it is now
21:36 magnuse when i'm rich i will sponsor kohacon so we can have it on that boat (or, one of those boats, to be more precise ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten
21:38 gmcharlt KohaCruise FTW!
21:38 * cait wants magnuse to be rich
21:38 cait does not help much I guess... :(
21:38 magnuse and nengard can follow along on land and meet us in the harbours ;-)
21:38 * wizzyrea looks frantically around Norway for libraries to suggest koha to, so magnuse can be rich
21:39 magnuse hehe
21:39 wizzyrea 15 minutes til I see the kiddo! can't wait.
21:39 magnuse run run run fall down kick in the face
21:44 wizzyrea hehe!
21:44 wizzyrea he does love rugby :P
21:46 pianohacker >_< It's almost like indexdata is intentionally trying to make its source code, documentation, error messages and website confusing
21:46 wizzyrea they aren't?
21:46 pianohacker "one letter variable names!"
21:46 pianohacker "incomplete documentation"
21:47 pianohacker "numeric error codes!"
21:47 pianohacker WHEEE
21:52 magnuse there is room for improvement...
21:53 * magnuse practices being diplomatic...
21:54 pianohacker They also have no links to even a scm repo, so improvement might be somewhat difficult for an outsider
21:54 pianohacker oh well, battle for another day
22:03 library_systems_guy I know this is off topic from what you guys are discussing but how hard do you thing it would be to integrate shibboleth into Koha...rangi seemed to thing it would be pretty easy
22:33 talljoy i've got a zebra question, if anyone is still around.....
22:33 rangi kinda
22:33 talljoy In the install I ran the update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults command and
22:33 talljoy update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
22:33 talljoy insserv: warning: script 'K01koha-zebra-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides
22:33 talljoy insserv: warning: script 'koha-zebra-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides
22:34 rangi yep, that should be ok
22:34 talljoy got that as a 'warning'. and i can only start the zebra server manually
22:34 rangi ahhh interesting
22:34 rangi on debian?
22:34 talljoy i run zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml to run manually
22:34 talljoy yes debian
22:35 rangi what user do you run that as?
22:35 talljoy root
22:35 rangi ah ha!
22:35 rangi so its a permissions thing
22:35 talljoy i thought root ruled them all?
22:35 rangi if you look at the /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon script
22:36 talljoy yes
22:36 rangi you will see its running as not root (probably as koha)
22:36 rangi should be a USER= bit
22:36 talljoy yes
22:36 talljoy USER=koha
22:36 talljoy can I change it to root?
22:36 rangi so, what user do you run the rebuild_zebra.pl as ?
22:36 talljoy root
22:36 rangi yeah theres the problem
22:36 rangi since root built the indexes
22:36 talljoy but i love being root
22:36 rangi koha cant see them
22:36 rangi yeah ... break that habit ;-)
22:37 talljoy i know
22:37 rangi you will have to chown the dirs, to koha
22:37 rangi then run rebuild_zebra.pl as koha
22:37 rangi eg
22:37 rangi sudo -u koha blah blah
22:37 rangi and then the init.d script will have permissions to run
22:38 talljoy ok. i have to chown the koha-3.4.1 directory to koha
22:38 talljoy any others?
22:38 rangi hmm not that one :)
22:38 talljoy ok. :-)
22:38 rangi try /var/run/koha i think
22:38 rangi and /var/lock/koha
22:38 rangi or /var/lib ?
22:39 talljoy those both show as directories
22:39 rangi its in the koha-zebra-daemon thing
22:40 rangi cool, chown those and see if that works
22:48 * rangi crosses his fingers
22:51 talljoy i did the chown
22:51 talljoy and now i get permission denied to rebuild_zebra
22:52 talljoy root@amigostest2:~# sudo -u koha perl koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a -v
22:52 rangi ah yeah ull need to find whatever dir it needs changed, and chown that too
22:53 rangi (and make sure your cronjob isnt running as root and clobbering the permissions again ;-))
22:53 talljoy i'm feeling a wipe and reinstall coming on!
22:53 rangi naw
22:53 talljoy which is not a bad thing
22:53 rangi its only one more dir ;)
22:53 talljoy but I feel I've made a hash of this acting as root
22:53 * talljoy must need her ego stroked as root.
22:54 rangi heh
22:54 talljoy i know the cronjob is running as root
22:56 talljoy in my defense...the install instructions say run as system user or directly as root. :-)
22:56 rangi we should fix that ;)
22:56 talljoy perhaps! heh now I don't know what directories to chown to koha
22:57 talljoy other than perhaps "all of the above"
22:57 talljoy :-D
22:57 rangi its not telling you with the rebuild?
22:57 talljoy Can't open perl script "koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl": Permission denied
22:57 rangi ohhh
22:58 rangi yeah try chown that :)
22:58 eythian or chmod
23:01 talljoy still denied.
23:02 rangi who owns the koha-3.4.1 dir?
23:02 talljoy root
23:02 rangi ahh, chown -R koha koha-3.4.1
23:02 rangi and give that a whirl
23:03 talljoy Can't open perl script "koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl": Permission denied
23:03 talljoy stubborn thing
23:03 rangi ls -l koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
23:04 talljoy -rwxrwxr-x 1 koha root 36375 May 23 21:59 koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
23:04 magnuse chown -R koha:koha koha-3.4.1 ?
23:05 talljoy -rwxrwxr-x 1 koha koha 36375 May 23 21:59 koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
23:05 talljoy However....Can't open perl script "koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl": Permission denied
23:06 rangi can you do a pwd ?
23:06 * rangi fears you are in /root
23:06 talljoy "/root"
23:06 talljoy LOL
23:06 rangi bingo
23:06 rangi hokay
23:06 * talljoy feels she already mentioned she loves root
23:07 rangi thats kinda messy
23:07 rangi hmm
23:07 rangi you could
23:07 rangi mv koha-3.4.1 /home/koha/
23:08 rangi but that will break your apache config
23:08 talljoy koha@amigostest2:~$ ls
23:08 talljoy koha-3.4.1
23:08 talljoy is there now. I can reset up apache
23:08 eythian talljoy: /root shouldn't be readable by anyone except root, so sudo'ing to koha makes it break.
23:08 rangi and your koha-conf.xml and koha-zebra-daemon .. those should be it
23:09 rangi just check your rebuild works now :)
23:09 talljoy Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6.
23:09 talljoy BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6.
23:09 talljoy LOL....this I've seen before!
23:09 talljoy time to export
23:11 talljoy the rebuild ran this time
23:11 rangi yay
23:11 talljoy I've got some work to do tomorrow. For now, I'm going to kick back and have a beer.
23:11 talljoy rangi++
23:11 rangi enjoy the beer ;)
23:12 talljoy thanks for the help!!! (you too eythian and magnuse)
23:12 talljoy i've earned it today!!
23:13 magnuse hehe, such fun ;-)
23:17 magnuse rangi or eythian: i created my first package with build-git-snapshot and installed with sudo dpkg -i koha-common_3.4-1~git+20110522163502.cdf32da0_all.deb; sudo apt-get -f install. now i created an updated version of the package, do i upgrade with the same commands, or is there some other mojo?
23:17 rangi thats it
23:18 rangi you shouldnt ned the -f install though
23:18 rangi just the dpkg -i
23:18 * eythian deletes what he typed
23:18 rangi next step would be to build your own repo
23:18 eythian what rangi said
23:18 rangi and put the package in there
23:18 rangi then just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
23:18 magnuse yeah, the thought has passed my mind, but i'll try to get the packages working first...
23:18 rangi (when you get a few sites running that becomes very very useful)
23:19 rangi *nod*
23:19 magnuse but just dpkg -i to upgrade, no apt-get?
23:19 rangi yep
23:19 magnuse cool, thanks!
23:19 rangi unless it grizzles about unmet dependencies
23:20 rangi (unlikely)
23:20 magnuse shouldn't do that, i think
23:21 magnuse hm, it does complain about a missing package called xmlstarlet
23:22 rangi ah yeah, ull want that :)
23:29 magnuse hm, that helped, but i'm running into trouble because i have a half-removed instance left over from my koha-remove trouble. i get:
23:29 magnuse sudo koha-remove demo
23:29 magnuse Removing Koha instance demo
23:29 magnuse ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_demo'@'%'
23:30 eythian it's a pain when it fails, because it aborts the whole process. I need to make it more robust.
23:31 eythian Usually when that happens I remove it by hand.
23:31 magnuse login to mysql as root and remove the user and database?
23:31 eythian yeah
23:32 eythian and /etc/koha/sites/demo, /etc/apache2/sites-*/demo, /var/lib/koha/demo
23:33 eythian and deluser koha-demo
23:33 eythian I should make a 'force remove' option that just busts through and does what it can.
23:34 eythian Patches welcome ;)
23:38 rangi hmm someone gonna do a write up for patch day?
23:38 rangi 33 changed status eh?
23:38 eythian where does one define routing lists? Are they attached to a subscription?
23:38 rangi yes
23:42 magnuse rangi: i thought i'd do a summary and suggest another day for july 8th, when biblibre are having their first sign off etc half day (unless they want to have the day to themselves, of course)
23:43 magnuse havn't gotten the time for it yet, but will do it tomorrow
23:46 magnuse thanks for your help rangi & eythian - the upgrade worked, but sadly not my attempt to fix my css problem... better start diggin around again
23:46 eythian it's a start, anyway :)
23:46 magnuse yup
23:48 rangi cool thanks magnuse
23:48 magnuse and the whole package malarky will be great once i figure out that little css niggle... you guys (and liw) rock!
23:50 magnuse ok, it's 2am and the sun is shining - time to go to bed!
23:50 magnuse see ya!
23:50 rangi sleep well
23:50 magnuse will try...
23:51 eythian bye