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23:34 pianohacker bye for now
23:24 eythian http://grooveshark.com/album/Qntal+Iii+Tristan+Und+Isolde/1629920 <-- (specifically)
23:22 * eythian puts on some loud Latin/medieval German music and gets to work transmogrifying data.
23:19 rangi w00t
23:18 eythian OK, at first glance, it looks my 50/50 odds above were unfounded. Both sources appear to have got the data export right :)
23:13 rangi heh
23:12 eythian actually, I'm more commenting on the linked IRC log I just realised.
23:11 eythian they're slightly wrong I think, apache2-mpm-itk is pretty much -prefork with the user stuff rolled in.
23:08 rangi night cait
23:07 cait good night all :)
22:48 rangi http://blog.esilibrary.com/2011/06/14/evergreen-and-koha-sitting-on-a-server/
22:46 rangi downloading it now
22:44 eythian or, narration rather.
22:44 eythian but have you heard the Samuel L. Jackson version? :)
22:44 rangi excellent eh
22:43 rangi ah yep seen that ;)
22:39 eythian http://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B00551W570 <-- rangi
22:35 eythian yeah. Haven't looked at it, but if they've followed instructions it should be fine. I put the odds of that at about 50/50 ;)
22:33 SpaceLibrarian_home eythian: excellent! :)
22:33 SpaceLibrarian_home lol.
22:33 library_systems_guy yeah rangi i suppose you have hehe
22:33 eythian hehe
22:33 library_systems_guy lol i didn't know who eythian was
22:32 rangi library_systems_guy: so we have done this a few times now :)
22:32 eythian heh
22:32 * library_systems_guy turns red
22:32 library_systems_guy *smh* oops
22:32 eythian SpaceLibrarian_home: yarp, it arrived this morning
22:32 eythian they (the people I'm setting up Koha for) were using Liberty and a bespoke app.
22:31 library_systems_guy sorry I don't mean to play 20 questions
22:31 rangi library_systems_guy: we are a support company, not the people going live :-)
22:31 SpaceLibrarian_home eythian: have they sent it to you yet?
22:31 library_systems_guy what were you using before?
22:31 eythian it froze today
22:30 library_systems_guy did you guys freeze your current catalog a long time before release
22:30 library_systems_guy lol true true
22:30 eythian By the time of the actual go-live, there's been so much prep done that it's usually pretty smooth.
22:29 library_systems_guy we are going live soon so im always curious to see how it goes
22:29 eythian chur :)
22:29 library_systems_guy good luck :)
22:29 SpaceLibrarian_home migrating*
22:29 SpaceLibrarian_home he's been doing an awesome job migration 2 platforms onto 1 system
22:29 eythian library_systems_guy: yeah.
22:29 cait thx SpaceLibrarian_home :)
22:28 library_systems_guy live on friday eythian?
22:28 * SpaceLibrarian_home was scraping at straws
22:28 eythian tricksy!
22:28 eythian got me there.
22:28 eythian ohh.
22:28 eythian cait: I'll try, however I have a go-live on Friday that I just got the data for, so I'll have to see how that goes :)
22:28 SpaceLibrarian_home pukeko
22:27 eythian rooster.
22:27 SpaceLibrarian_home meh. chicken. egg....
22:27 eythian you started it second!
22:27 SpaceLibrarian_home you started it!
22:27 eythian SpaceLibrarian_home: don't bring causality into this!
22:27 * SpaceLibrarian_home gives cait another cookie. :)
22:26 cait go and sign-off onsomething... thatwill make you feel better
22:26 SpaceLibrarian_home eythian: moi? I thought you were feeling poorly before i was...
22:26 cait poor eythian
22:26 eythian living in the past...
22:26 cait I will start in th emorning - it's not 15th here yet :)
22:26 eythian SpaceLibrarian_home: I'm blaming you for this not-quite-bad-enough-to-stay home sore throat thing I've got, just so you know :)
22:26 cait thx rangi!
22:26 cait it's a very good start
22:25 rangi its very cool though
22:25 rangi i just edit the table
22:25 rangi who knows
22:24 cait so magnuse added some template magic?
22:24 cait there are colors
22:24 cait oh
22:24 cait ioh
22:23 rangi probably all i have time for today, have to get ready for a demo tomorrow and do some other client work, i might try some more this evening
22:23 rangi thats 6 done
22:23 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15#Claim_a_bug.21
22:14 magnuse time to sleep a little before starting the signoff-fest!
22:06 SpaceLibrarian_home this is very true... :)
22:04 rangi i normally talk to you on irc even tho you sit 4 metres away from me anyway
22:03 SpaceLibrarian_home and tea...
22:02 SpaceLibrarian_home :) I have to resort to computer-talk. :P
22:02 rangi heya voiceless SpaceLibrarian_home
22:02 magnuse \o
22:02 SpaceLibrarian_home o/
22:01 magnuse would be a cool research project for the right person though
22:01 magnuse nah, definitely wont be me doing that...
21:58 magnuse i'll see what i can do, rangi ;-)
21:58 cait hm
21:57 rangi :)
21:57 rangi id push that patch magnuse
21:57 magnuse ;-)
21:57 magnuse i can haz koha with linked datas, ploise?
21:56 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6485] Checkout slip should be more informative, especially for single-library catalogs <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6485>
21:56 rangi magnuse: yeah thats the bit i liked
21:56 magnuse "Many survey respondents expressed doubt that RDA changes would yield significant benefits without a change to the underlying MARC carrier. Most felt any benefits of RDA would be largely unrealized in a MARC environment. MARC may hinder the separation of elements and ability to use URIs in a linked data environment." yay!
21:56 Brooke right, dinnah!
21:51 rangi i can live with that
21:51 magnuse yeah!
21:51 rangi we dont want RDA if it includes MARC
21:51 rangi yeah the bit im happy about is
21:51 * Brooke wants "Is MARC lying by my side yet?" on her headstone.
21:51 magnuse #marcmustdie
21:50 cait had been...?
21:50 magnuse heh
21:50 Brooke it's the ALA refrain - if the matter is important, stall and stall again.
21:49 rangi "So a definite maybe with all speed and great purpose by Jan. 2013?" - Michael Mitchell
21:49 * Brooke thinks of the maths is hard Barbie.
21:49 rangi whole thing summaries nicely as
21:49 rangi We endorse the report, with the conditions articulated by the committee. Even though there are many in the library community who would like to see a single “yes†or “no†response to the question should we implement RDA, the reality is that any standard is complicated and will take time to develop. We also recognize that the library world cannot operate in a vacuum. The entire bibliographic framework will have to change along the lines recommende
21:48 rangi Most of the recommendations in the report call for changes in the current bibliographic control system that will move libraries toward this desirable future. One recommendation--3.2.5--was notable in that it called for a suspension of work underway on RDA. The Working Group suggested that further development work on Resource Description and Access (RDA) be suspended until a business case had been articulated, benefits demonstrated, and there had been
21:47 Brooke yeah they had hinted at that 24 May
21:47 rangi http://www.rdatoolkit.org/blog/184 (links to the report and summary from there)
21:47 cait rda announcement?
21:46 rangi https://twitter.com/#!/JMarkOckerbloom/status/80740601565425664 <-- exec summary
21:46 rangi is it just me thats happy about the RDA announcement?
21:45 Brooke if everyone pretended to live in the opposite hemisphere, world signoff day could last 2 days ;)
21:44 * Brooke shakes her fist at rangi.
21:44 Brooke you and your flying cars!
21:44 * rangi is signing off the package ones, cos i can test them easy
21:39 cait rangi++
21:37 magnuse yay!
21:37 rangi its already the 15th here, thats why im signing off :)
21:36 rangi utc
21:36 magnuse amd what is the timezone? nz time?
21:36 rangi so you can graph it using jquery if you like
21:36 magnuse cool
21:36 rangi real time too
21:36 Brooke teh bugs! Tey are 75 when they were 66!
21:36 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl?type=json
21:36 Brooke Ah!
21:36 rangi look i just signed 3 off :-)
21:36 magnuse ooh, cool, thanks
21:35 rangi magnuse: real time
21:35 wahanui Brooke: excuse me?
21:35 Brooke wahanui clearly has been pushed for 3.6
21:35 magnuse rangi still around? how often does http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl update?
21:35 wahanui Brooke: I forgot clearly
21:35 Brooke wahanui forget clearly
21:35 wahanui clearly is not a task for 3.4 (april 2010)
21:35 Brooke clearly!
21:34 magnuse heh
21:34 cait perhaps it's angry with me... because I used it to reasearch newer models
21:33 * Brooke nods.
21:33 cait this laptop gets weirder every day
21:32 cait it wouldn't let me type
21:32 cait now I cantype
21:32 Brooke welcome back
21:31 magnuse yay
21:31 cait back
21:30 magnuse hehe
21:30 Brooke teh ohnoes, cait dropped from qwertytis!
21:28 cait sorry :)
21:28 cait keyboard problems
21:28 cait ah
21:19 Brooke ba dum cha!
21:19 pianohacker trttröstrssarahtt 'er? I hardly knew her!
21:17 cait trttröstrssarahtt
21:16 cait nah, wasn't me
21:16 * cait hides
21:15 Brooke heheh
21:15 pianohacker That's my job
21:15 pianohacker Hey, who's this other person harassing you?
21:15 huginn pianohacker: Karma for "Brooke" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14.
21:15 pianohacker @karma Brooke
21:14 * Brooke is gunnin for low karma.
21:14 pianohacker How's it going?
21:14 pianohacker gotta keep it balanced
21:14 Brooke mod me down :D
21:14 Brooke yeah
21:14 pianohacker hi brooke!
21:14 pianohacker Brooke--
21:14 Brooke rangi++
21:13 Brooke oh no you di'int mod Chris down!
21:11 cait cool :)
21:11 pianohacker but yeah, will be participating
21:11 pianohacker Heh, not for a while yet
21:10 slef hi again... sort-of back
21:10 cait not sure when that is for you :)
21:10 cait starts on 15th
21:10 pianohacker has that started in the us yet?
21:09 pianohacker Oh, right
21:09 cait participating in global sign off day? :)
21:09 cait hi pianohacker :)
21:09 pianohacker :)
21:09 pianohacker eyethian++
21:09 pianohacker rangi--
21:09 pianohacker oh, that works too
21:09 rangi eythian spotted that first
21:08 pianohacker local git expert ftw
21:08 pianohacker rangi++
20:50 cait I think I will catch a few hours of sleep soon
20:49 cait cool :)
20:48 rangi nope
20:48 cait ah, you don't have to do the --format-patch step separately?
20:47 rangi formats and sends the patch in one go
20:47 Brooke kia ora
20:47 cait oh, what does that do?
20:46 cait I am back! :)
20:45 rangi git send-email --format-patch kc/master
20:45 rangi heres a little tip
20:44 rangi which has started in nz
20:44 rangi oh for sign off day
20:42 wahanui hola, pianohacker
20:42 pianohacker Hola
20:37 cait library_systems_guy++ Oak++
20:34 wizzyrea which kinda makes me giggle
20:34 library_systems_guy shaking my head
20:33 wizzyrea i kept reading his name ad "djrofl"
20:33 cait smh?
20:33 library_systems_guy *smh*
20:33 cait I think I missed the chroot part all the time
20:33 cait I will write it down now! and save that link, that's for sure
20:33 library_systems_guy omg what'd you do cait
20:33 cait library_systems_guy, Oak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10479319&postcount=5
20:33 library_systems_guy YAYYY
20:33 cait bye drojf1 :)
20:32 drojf1 bye #koha
20:32 cait library_systems_guy: it's alive!
20:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6503] Variable $sth is declared 3 times (with keyword "my") in "makepayment" sub of "Accounts.pm" <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6503>
20:12 rangi back
20:07 rangi bbiab
20:07 rangi ok my stop
20:05 tcohen bye #koha
20:03 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-14-18.04.log.html
20:03 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-14-18.04.txt
20:03 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-14-18.04.html
20:03 huginn Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 20:08:04 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:03 cait #endmeeting
20:02 cait #agreed next meeting is on 6 july 2011 10:00 UTC+0
20:02 cait ok
20:02 Waylon okay, thankyou all. gotta go... maybe sleep more.
20:02 rangi yep 10 utc
20:01 rangi 6 july ++
20:01 jwagner Gotta run, bye.
20:01 wizzyrea 6 july 2011 10:00 UTC+0
20:01 paul_p 6th ++
20:01 cait 14 July 2011 10:00 UTC+0
20:00 thd 6 July is two days after the US holiday which should be enough to not miss paul_p
20:00 paul_p jul 14th KO for me
20:00 cait so shift 8 hours the other direction
20:00 cait ah, correction, we had 02.00 before
20:00 cait 14 july 2011 02:00 UTC+0
20:00 cait any objections?
20:00 cait 2:00 UTC? that right?
20:00 cait 4 am for europe?
20:00 cait wednesday, 14th july
20:00 tcohen +1 6th july
20:00 thd +1 6 July
19:59 wizzyrea 6th
19:59 rangi I vote first wednesday
19:58 paul_p mmm... between 11th & 18th, i'll be on holiday, afk
19:58 cait so middle of july
19:58 wizzyrea <laughing> i'd welcome the break from my relations </laughing>
19:58 tcohen rangi: ok
19:58 rangi I agree with wizzyrea
19:57 thd wizzyrea: Some people would prefer to show up but others may have an enforced holidy by relations whether they want one or not :)
19:57 rangi tcohen: those can go on koha-devel meeting is more for summary
19:56 wizzyrea meh, interested US parties would likely show up anyway
19:56 ricmarques Sorry. I had to leave for a while and I have to go now. Take care! :)
19:56 tcohen are there any topics for 3.6 that need to be discussed earlier?
19:56 jwagner Maybe 2nd week in July?
19:56 jwagner It has normally been the first Wednesday of the month. In July, that's right on the heels of a US holiday on Monday, folks might be on vacation.
19:55 cait wb rangi
19:55 rangi shift time by 8 hours
19:55 cait normally about 4 - once every month I think
19:55 rangi monthly
19:55 tcohen two weeks?
19:55 cait I am not aware of the schedule we use right now
19:55 cait any suggestions?
19:54 cait #topic Date and time for next meeting
19:54 cait please take the time to sign-off a patch!
19:54 cait ok, last item for today, as we have previously talked about the global sign-off day!
19:54 cait #info vote: create koha-security mailign list, fed by a mailbox
19:53 cait ok
19:53 tajoli +1
19:53 tajoli no -
19:53 thd +1
19:53 thd jwagner: We decided that previously as you reminded us :)
19:53 tajoli -1
19:53 drojf1 +1
19:53 gmcharlt +1
19:53 Waylon cait, +1
19:53 ColinC +1
19:53 cait +1
19:53 jwagner +1
19:53 paul_p cait, +1
19:53 tcohen +1
19:52 cait plz vote
19:52 atz_ thd: agreed
19:52 cait can we agree to create a mailbox that feeds a mailing list?
19:52 jwagner I need to leave as well. There was a vote -- we decided on the mailing list?
19:52 oakivil +1 for security PM
19:52 cait yes, I think we should come to ane nd
19:52 oakivil i gotta go. Its 23:00 here and I still need to jog to clear my thoughts
19:51 oakivil but time is running away
19:51 thd oakvil: There are many trivial security issues which are not scary enough to need secrecy.
19:51 oakivil atleast
19:51 oakivil for the scariest issues
19:51 oakivil agreed
19:50 paul_p I think we can agree about the rule to follow
19:50 oakivil ok
19:50 cait only my observation :)
19:50 thd oakvil: I think that we are mostly concerned with the scariest security issues which could cause you to loose your database for example.
19:50 cait without going full public before the patch was ready
19:50 oakivil you know better, I'm just observing :D
19:50 tcohen i'd vote for a security manager (perhaps the RM) to decide when to make it public, based on work on the koha-security list
19:50 oakivil yeah
19:50 cait I think we got fixes very fast in the past
19:50 Waylon vs the more possibility that they'll get used.
19:49 oakivil the more public the issues are the better fixes they get
19:49 oakivil damn this security issues is so tricky
19:48 thd :)
19:48 paul_p thd, right, but me 1st :D
19:48 thd paul_p :) we write the same sentence.
19:48 Waylon for those with modified koha, who can't cope with security updates with an easy merge.. not a good idea.
19:47 thd I think it is important to report all security bugs openly after people have had time to patch systems with a fix.
19:47 paul_p thd, I had understood that, and disagree : full disclosure is fine, but after giving enough time to devs to provide a fix
19:47 cait hm ok, are we ready for a vote?
19:47 thd Not to speak for slef, but In case anyone missed his argument. slef favours being open about even the worst security bugs.
19:46 sekjal either spam, or the code being run against a very limited set of standardized tests
19:46 paul_p I think the idea of a dedicated mailbox filling security ML is good : otherwise someone would have to subscribe to the list & be moderated before sending his report
19:46 cait slef: thx for helping :)
19:46 slef spam or what?
19:45 sekjal that looked like an automated message to me
19:45 slef sekjal: not the recent one as far as we know.
19:45 cait sekjal: I think no - rangi will know. he wrote them another mail afaik
19:45 tcohen thd: ok
19:45 sekjal I may have missed it, but did we ever discover what vulnerabilities that company that posted to the list had actually found?
19:45 cait not only those online or at the other end of a pm
19:44 thd tcohen: We discussed making a special mail box for reporting that would feed in to the security list.
19:44 cait I also like he idea of the list, because more people wll get to see it
19:44 slef Waylon: tee hee
19:44 slef OK, I have to go away for a bit. Thanks cait for chairing and everyone else for participating.
19:44 Waylon that librarypolice log file... does not obey [off]
19:44 slef but no, not the best way. Your support co is the best way. Failing that, the RMs
19:44 cait but if you write on a page somewhere peole should report here, they will not use [off]
19:44 jwagner slef, the off command works if every person remembers to use it every time they say something.
19:44 sekjal there are also direct messages to people you trust
19:43 slef [off] Waylon we can hide from logbot
19:43 cait IRC is logged
19:43 jwagner tcohen, anyone can log into the IRC and anyone can see the logs. Not secure.
19:43 cait tcohen: I think the question is if you want to make them public immediately or not
19:43 Waylon irc channel, not the best place... logbot.
19:43 tcohen irc channel should serve for reporting sec vulnerabilities, but how do we manage them?
19:42 slef and does the failure to do it yet suggest it's not very important even to its supporters?
19:42 slef but just to remind you I think this is a horrible idea
19:41 jwagner +1
19:41 tajoli +1
19:41 Waylon +1
19:41 paul_p +1 for me
19:41 ColinC +1
19:41 thd +1 again
19:41 tcohen +1 then
19:41 gmcharlt slef: yes
19:40 cait +1
19:40 slef err gmcharlt are you still willing to do that?
19:40 slef #action gmcharlt to moderate it
19:40 slef #action create koha-security
19:40 slef #action close koha-manage
19:40 slef ok, so let me restate this
19:38 slef reading the log
19:38 thd jwagner: We did agree as I remember or at least to send a CC message to a select group of people who need to know and would not be exploiting the vulnerability.
19:38 jwagner The March 2nd meeting -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_March_2011
19:38 slef http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-03-02-17.56.html shows no ACTION
19:37 jwagner slef, looking....
19:37 slef ?
19:37 slef jwagner: got a link
19:37 jwagner I thought we discussed this a couple of months ago and agreed to set one up?
19:36 jwagner I'd prefer a dedicated mailing list
19:36 cait I am not sure how the hidden bugzilla entries work - can someone explain?
19:36 tcohen i think 1 and 3 should be used
19:36 cait 3) hidden bugzilla entry
19:36 cait 2) dedicated mailing list
19:35 cait 1) private mail to the RM
19:35 cait there are some options listed on the wiki
19:35 ricmarques thd: agreed
19:34 thd This solves the problem of under informative autominutes.
19:34 cait #topic Vulnerabilites management
19:34 cait ok, next item is
19:34 tcohen bye rangi
19:34 ricmarques rangi: You'd better NOT get those two mixed up! ;-)
19:34 rangi gotta feed the kids and catch my bus
19:33 rangi bbiab
19:33 thd +1
19:33 cait I think that is a good idea, we can add a #link at the end or to the mail
19:33 thd Any posting of minutes should include a link to the full log or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full meeting log.
19:33 cait #info thd: Any posting of abbreviated minutes should include a link to the full minutes or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full minutes.
19:32 slef Waylon: that was just an example. This meeting's one will have a link I think.
19:32 Waylon sorry, i ment, adopt a dead parrot. :)
19:32 thd Sorry that was wriitten poorly.
19:32 ricmarques thd++
19:32 thd Any posting of abbreviated minutes should include a link to the full minutes or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full minutes.
19:32 tcohen thd: r u talking about vulnerabilities...?
19:32 ricmarques Waylon: http://www.birdadoption.org/ ? ;-)
19:31 cait thd: ?
19:31 thd I propose an amendment or clarification.
19:31 Waylon needs link for roadmap to 3.0 ... to adopt a parrot.
19:31 cait #info vote: meeting minutes from meetbot to be posted on the mailing list
19:31 nengard +1
19:31 cait ah, fast decision :)
19:30 ColinC +1
19:30 rhcl +1
19:30 paul_p +1
19:30 sekjal +1
19:30 ricmarques +1 (example minutes look great, even if automated :)
19:30 Waylon +1
19:30 margo +1
19:30 drojf1 +1
19:30 slef +1
19:30 oakivil +1
19:30 cait +1
19:30 cait example minutes
19:30 tcohen +1
19:30 cait #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-11-02.01.txt
19:30 jwagner +1
19:30 ricmarques cait++
19:29 cait quick vote for posting the minutes to the mailing list?
19:29 cait #topic Miscellaneous
19:29 cait let's start with misc
19:29 cait I am gonna skip old business if noone disagrees
19:29 cait lol
19:28 * ricmarques was thinking that rangi would reply: "No... I'll promptly reject your patches with an Evil Laugh!" ;-)
19:28 cait #info doc manager (nengard) will work on the db documentation
19:28 thd nengard: Ask if you are following the standard while you are working and you should be fine :)
19:28 nengard and here in irc
19:28 nengard and will be asking for help on list
19:28 nengard k we can move on - the doc manager will work on the db documentation
19:28 rangi if its -- style comments then yes
19:27 nengard don't want to waste my time
19:27 nengard okay one more question and then we're done - rangi you will approve of patches that put this syntax in?
19:27 cait #info vote is to use -- style comments for db documentation
19:27 cait ok
19:27 ricmarques +1
19:26 margo +1
19:26 tcohen +1 --
19:26 rhcl +1 -- http://www.firebirdsql.org/file/documentation/reference_manuals/reference_material/html/langrefupd25-linecomment.html
19:26 thd +1
19:25 paul_p so -- syntax +1
19:25 paul_p no comment on create table it seems
19:25 thd 1+
19:25 cait +1
19:25 nengard so then I call for a vote - all in favor of me editing the SQL file with comments using the -- syntax please vote
19:25 cait so I think we don't need a vote for that really - rm decides
19:25 paul_p http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/sql-comment.html and http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/sql-createtable.html
19:24 rangi not mysql, not postgres
19:24 cait ok
19:24 rangi i dont want db specific comments
19:24 cait so normal comments are the safer option
19:24 cait ok
19:24 nengard I'm so confused now
19:24 tcohen Postgres1l COMMENT ON { TABLE ___ } IS 'text'
19:24 ColinC syntax is differemt for postgresql as its a mysqlism
19:23 tajoli if the comment is inside SQL, schemaspy can use it
19:22 thd cait: if it works in both MySQL and Postgres then chances are good.
19:22 tcohen postgresql tables don't have comments?
19:22 nengard which is what rangi doesn't want
19:21 tajoli that insert commet in sql defintion
19:21 cait ok, can someone verfiy if that is a mysqlism or ansi?
19:21 tajoli is an sql instruction,
19:21 tajoli ALTER TABLE borrower_attribute_types COMMENT '[pat] List of extended attribute types';
19:21 cait tajoli: the example?
19:20 cait nengard: I think ther eis no special vote syntax
19:20 thd nengard: That is what rangi and others of have said.
19:19 nengard what's the syntax for calling for a vote?
19:19 cait #topic DB Documentation management
19:19 cait ok
19:18 nengard there wasn't a vote, I just want to know what to do from here on out ...
19:18 tcohen please
19:18 rangi yep, i wont reject that
19:18 ricmarques tajoli++
19:18 tajoli I can show an examnple of schemaspy comments
19:18 nengard heh
19:18 cait I thought so
19:18 nengard as long as i do it with --
19:18 nengard wait - was i just given the okay to edit the sql file and add comments?
19:17 cait do we have som old business?
19:17 cait #topic Miscellaneous old business
19:17 cait moving on
19:17 cait ok, so that's settled?
19:17 nengard i don't mind
19:17 nengard hehe - well i copied that from the file, but while editing i can remove them
19:17 cait ok
19:17 rangi but one thing at a time
19:16 rangi yeah, and get rid of those `` would be nice too
19:16 wahanui rangi is a proud MÄori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding.
19:16 cait rangi?
19:16 nengard or some such comment?
19:16 nengard `borrowernumber` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment, -- The primary key for identifiying all borrowers
19:16 nengard cait so for example
19:16 rhcl firebird++ "Firebird is a relational database offering many ANSI SQL standard features that runs on Linux..." http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/about-firebird/
19:15 cait nengard: write -- comment at the end of the line
19:14 rangi --
19:14 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, nengard.
19:14 nengard so is that how we want to do it? /* */
19:14 tajoli the schemaspy comment are INSIDE the sql definiton of the fields and tables
19:14 thd nengard: MySQL AB made an extra effort at being non-ANSI compliant to make some claim about licensing your SQL code.
19:14 rangi thats ok, most dbs will support sql-99, but more support ansi/iso
19:14 tcohen s/q/w/
19:13 tcohen tajoli: those comments qhere ansi right?
19:13 cait sorry for that
19:13 cait ah ok
19:13 rangi /* */ is sql99
19:13 nengard thanks thd
19:13 tajoli yes, with schemaspy you need comment in DB
19:13 rangi -- is ANSI/ISO compliant
19:13 nengard nothing fancy, just simple text somewhere that will make reporting easier
19:13 thd nengard: Every database language has its own specific type of SQL. ANSI compliant means it should work on MySQL, Postgres, etc.
19:13 nengard i think we want something in git on the sql file that says what each field is
19:12 cait normal comments should be ansi compliant afaik
19:12 cait iirc the schemaspy solution added some kind of comment into the database - I think that's what rangi doesn't want
19:12 tajoli sorry, I was out
19:12 nengard cait, yes i want them there for reading
19:11 nengard thd the 'ansi sql compliant' part
19:11 nengard yeah i remember that - it seemed like more work than was necessary
19:11 thd nengard: Which meaning confuses you?
19:11 ricmarques http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/SQL-schema-of-Koha-3-0-3-td3068617.html
19:11 ricmarques Koha - Dev - SQL schema of Koha 3.0.3
19:10 ricmarques Yep, it seems it was tajoli (for 3.0.x):
19:10 cait so something like /* */
19:10 nengard i don't know what that means
19:10 rangi their=they
19:10 cait not being used for creating the database, only for reading
19:10 rangi as long as their are ansi sql compliant comments then yes
19:09 thd nengard: You always have my OK for doing more work :)
19:09 cait I think normal comments in the file should be ok?
19:09 tcohen rangi++
19:09 rangi and making it more mysql does not help
19:09 ricmarques nengard++ ... but, yeah... didn't someone already produce some kind of output for the Database documentation in the past? Maybe it was tajoli?
19:09 rangi until i can fix that
19:09 rhcl rangi++
19:09 nengard the db is MySQL ...
19:09 rangi what i dont want is adding more mysql dependencies
19:08 rangi thats up to someone to figure out
19:08 tcohen could we maintain some schemaspy available online?
19:08 paul_p rangi, how to have db independant comments ?
19:08 paul_p nengard++
19:08 rangi i only like that if it db independent comments
19:08 nengard I know we had a volunteer a while back - but nothing came of it
19:08 nengard I am willing to do what I can on this, just need the okay from you all
19:08 nengard I like the idea of commenting the SQL file for ease of use and reading
19:08 nengard anyway, I just think we need to document the database
19:07 cait obviously :)
19:07 nengard I am?
19:07 wahanui nengard is fast
19:07 cait nengard?
19:07 cait #topic DB Documentation management
19:07 rangi yep
19:07 cait let's move on, shall we?
19:06 ricmarques cait++
19:06 thd s/the/a major/
19:06 cait easy to miss another new mailing list
19:06 cait yeah, I think koha mailing list has most subscribers
19:05 thd slef: Getting attention is the problem but still easiest on the koha mailing list.
19:05 slef thd: hard to say. Brooke wrote it and she's not here to clarify.
19:04 cait #action magnuse volunteers to send a mail to the mailing list about proposals for KohaCon12
19:04 thd slef: sorry, I misunderstood.
19:04 slef magnuse++
19:04 magnuse sorry folks, i gotta run, if noone else volunteers i can try to set the ball rolling
19:04 cait slef: good to hear that
19:04 ricmarques nengard++
19:04 slef s/mean/meant
19:04 slef oh I thought that just mean "send a call for expressions of interest to the koha list"
19:03 magnuse slef++
19:03 nengard yeah, i don't want another list to watch
19:03 thd slef no :)
19:03 thd A special listserv is too easy to ignore
19:03 slef thd: you trolling me? ;-)
19:03 slef I think we will bid again (probably with London or Edinburgh this time) so I don't want to volunteer.
19:03 thd slef: Considering the idea of a special listserv for KohaCon ...
19:03 cait ?
19:01 cait ok, should we vote? someone volunteering to start a wiki page / write an email to the list?
19:01 ricmarques magnuse: Didn't know that one, as well
19:01 tcohen I think ill pick my savings and attend kohacon12 on my own
19:01 magnuse thanks, slef
19:01 thd All information may be helpful but sponsors need to find dates which work for the sponsor's proposal.
19:00 slef eoi is expressions of interest
19:00 magnuse eoi?
19:00 magnuse i don't think it's too early for proposals
19:00 slef did that happen yet?
19:00 Waylon Hmm.. to get my library to pay my way....
19:00 slef from last meeting "IDEA: listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012"
19:00 cait ok, so we want to call for proposals?
18:59 magnuse probably
18:59 paul_p rhcl, same thing for french libraries, and I think for most countries too
18:59 slef #link http://doodle.com/mobile/participation.html?pollId=n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d
18:59 magnuse nengard: yeah
18:58 nengard proposals on the wiki with date suggestions
18:58 rhcl I'd like to mention that many US libraries apply for grant money to attend conferences. That process can take months sometimes, so we need as much lead time as we can possibly get.
18:58 nengard just like we did for kohacon11
18:58 magnuse thanks, paul_p ;-)
18:58 magnuse i'd suggest opening up for proposals so places can put themselves forward, with preferred times
18:57 paul_p magnuse, refresh ;)
18:57 nengard i see him
18:57 magnuse you don't show, paul_p...
18:56 paul_p well, I voted, but I think it's up to the organizer to decide.
18:56 cait #info Doodle poll to decide about dates for KohaCon12
18:56 magnuse 4 people have taken the poll, including me 5 seconds ago
18:56 slef #action Everyone fill out that poll for KohaCon12 timing, please!
18:55 cait #link http://doodle.com/n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d
18:55 ricmarques cait: sure, move ahead (I'll consider attending a KohaCon if/when it takes place in Portugal ;-)
18:55 cait I see there is a link to a doodle poll
18:54 cait #topic KohaCon12
18:54 rangi yeah
18:54 cait moving on?
18:54 paul_p s/to/about/
18:54 cait not from me
18:54 paul_p cait, ? anyone ? anything to add to KohaCon11 ?
18:53 magnuse cool
18:53 rangi yup, andrew and I can remake it
18:52 paul_p (well, 11 years in 11 minuts for KohaCon11 ;-) )
18:52 paul_p rangi, I think the "10 years in 10 minuts" is definetly a "must show" !
18:51 rangi my presentation at access kinda overlaps, and i have most of the history written down so it wont be too hard to do
18:50 paul_p (I plan to attend, with another person, depending on money...)
18:49 paul_p rangi++ if you do the history, i could do the demo itself then.
18:49 rangi depending on the internet
18:49 slef #info oh and delete the . that the archive includes on the end of the link
18:49 rangi i could do the history remotely
18:48 paul_p About the subject of proposed papers, I think we still lack things for complete newbies, like "what is OpenSource", "demo of Koha", "history of Koha"
18:48 slef ah, delete the . that the archive includes in the link
18:48 slef err, that link doesn't work any more for me
18:48 ricmarques paul_p: LOL
18:48 cait rangi: +1 :)
18:48 slef #info to vote for the time of the next kohacon11 volunteers meeting
18:48 thd rangi++
18:47 rangi i may try to 'phone' in a presentation though
18:47 slef #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-June/035775.html
18:47 paul_p (kidding)
18:47 rangi but not each other
18:47 rangi they both overlap slightly with kohacon11
18:47 paul_p rangi, 2 or 3, that's not a problem: if you can be divided in 2, you can be divided in 3 :D
18:47 Waylon con going to be streamed live?
18:47 rangi access in canada, then lianza in nz
18:47 slef Waylon: I suspect it will be back one day. Just need to keep going long enough.
18:47 thd rangi: Which two?
18:46 thd :)
18:46 rangi im at 2 other conferences at the same time
18:46 paul_p well, I make at least one proposal soon, so 9 (or 10) in fact
18:46 Waylon ah, to attend a con... missed my chance when it was in NZ.
18:46 rangi nope not gonna happen
18:46 paul_p and kmkale still hope to have rangi attending ;-)
18:45 paul_p There are 8 proposals for speaking so far.
18:45 rangi #info chris cormack, 3.6 RM
18:45 paul_p There are already 128 registered ppl from 19 countries
18:45 ricmarques sekjal: (I'm joking of course... what you said is exactly what a good tester does :)
18:45 magnuse "it will rock"? ;-)
18:44 paul_p kmkale is not here, but I have some information I think I can give you about KohaCon11
18:44 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater
18:44 cait #topic KohaCon11
18:44 cait druthb: plz use #info for the minutes :)
18:43 druthb == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater (apologies for the lateness.)
18:43 cait next items are KohaCon11 and KohaCon12
18:43 ricmarques sekjal: "Fringe cases"? That's cool. I guess we could call the next release of Koha "Olivia Dunham" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fringe_characters#Olivia_Dunham ;-)
18:43 rangi cait: yep, thats all from me for 3.6, keep the patches coming
18:42 sekjal I also try to throw as many weirdo, fringe cases at a patch as I can, in the hopes of catching bugs before they're newly introduced
18:42 cait ok, ready to move on?
18:42 ricmarques rangi: Right. Thanks :)
18:41 rangi ricmarques: yep sekjal is qa manager so thats him, and he is looking at coding guidelines, as well as does it work
18:41 sekjal tcohen: no, I was just proposing to use relative dates in the SQL dataset, instead of absolute ones
18:40 tcohen sekjal: is there an rfc for relative dates proposal?
18:40 margo #info margo duncan, university of texas at tyler
18:39 paul_p (and rangi does that already, for trivial patches)
18:39 paul_p sekjal++
18:39 ricmarques rangi: "An additional sign-off"... Right, that's what I was thinking now. Who does that typically now? Sekjal?
18:39 sekjal we can condense those steps for smaller patches... a simple, one-line template change is extremely easy to test, and doesn't need as many eyes on it
18:38 rangi ricmarques: bug status changes, and an additional sign off
18:38 ricmarques tcohen: Thanks... Reading
18:38 rangi (it could go, does not apply, or failed qa as well)
18:38 ricmarques rangi / sekjal: Thanks... Is there some "git" entry in the Log for the QA? Or is it "just" an additional "Signed-Off"?
18:38 tcohen #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
18:38 sekjal ricmarques: patch is written, then signed off my someone else, then QA'ed, then pushed (assuming everything works as expected)
18:38 rangi the headings are basically the life of a patch
18:37 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
18:37 rangi sorry ricmarques :)
18:37 sekjal ricmarques: no, they're different steps.
18:37 rangi tcohen: no, passed qa means that
18:37 tcohen thd: its fine, i'm just asking in case something more is needed for it
18:36 ricmarques Newbie question: Doesn't "Signed-Off" (also) mean "checked by QA"?
18:36 sekjal I apologize to everyone; I'm behind on that
18:36 sekjal it's on my list to push through QA.
18:36 thd tcohen: That is important work for many people.
18:36 tcohen ok, I get it
18:36 rangi its up to qa to check it now
18:35 rangi so its passed that
18:35 rangi tcohen: its been signed off
18:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library
18:35 tcohen I'd like to ask on 'Work for 3.6.x' if bug 5166 is worth it or if I should abandon that work
18:34 sekjal also, making date's relative to the current date, not absolute (so overdues will always be "3 days over", not some specific date)
18:34 bgallagher #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:34 cait this calls for an #action ;)
18:33 sekjal but we could manage the SQL data in a git repo, so as new database revisions came out, you could use the appropriate data set to match the code you're using
18:33 sekjal we'd need at least marc21 and unimarc setups... multiple language support, as well
18:33 Waylon sekjal++
18:32 ricmarques sekjal++
18:32 magnuse sekjal: yay!
18:32 cait Waylon: for most thigns you can make up data as you go - create some items and records for the thing you test, sometimes you don't need any of that
18:32 paul_p mmm... nope, it's unimarc
18:32 slef thd: assumption is the mother, sadly.
18:32 sekjal one of my goals for this release cycle is to get one or more VERY robust sets of test data built, so one can test all sorts of different aspects of the codebase
18:32 paul_p cait, I think it's marc21
18:32 Waylon paul_p++
18:32 paul_p http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary
18:32 Waylon Ah.. there we go, thankouy paul_p.
18:32 wahanui cait: I forgot unimarc
18:32 cait forget unimarc
18:32 magnuse #link http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary
18:31 wahanui unimarc is, like, translated I think
18:31 cait paul_p: unimarc?
18:31 Waylon Hmm... there needs to be a complete data set, so people don't need to hunt..
18:31 paul_p cait & waylon = on git.biblibre.com, there is a repo with a test database we used during april hackfest. feel free to download & use it
18:31 thd slef: Your question makes a distinction for the ambiguity but I am assuming the Koha community in the context.
18:31 cait Waylon: there are some sample files that can be installed with koha (patrons, item types, etc.), no records and items so far
18:30 slef Waylon: there are some test data sets linked on the wiki IIRC. I think it's fine to ask for test data if it doesn't fail with that.
18:30 ricmarques Waylon++
18:30 ricmarques paul_p: More seriously, I applaud that great initiative from BibLibre :)
18:30 magnuse Waylon: i think most of us make it up as we go along...
18:30 Waylon is there a good test data for koha to be tested against, that everyone can use? Would like to, on occasion, bugfix/signoff, but have no full data
18:30 slef paul_p: yeah, but I mean just koha or all community projects?
18:30 library_systems_guy #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler
18:30 paul_p (not sure I understand the question in fact)
18:30 thd paul_p++ I always assume that BibLibre works on community things all day every day :)
18:30 paul_p slef, community things, so sign-off or anything usefull for the koha community
18:29 ricmarques biblibre++ (I just can't resist jumping on the bandwagon! ;-)
18:29 wizzyrea biblibre++
18:29 slef paul_p: community or koha-community?
18:29 cait biblibre++
18:29 magnuse biblibre++
18:29 paul_p we will start in july.
18:28 paul_p I've already told here, and sent a mail to cait&magnus to say that BibLibre just wanted to announce that we will have half a day every 2 weeks where everybody at BibLibre will just work on community things.
18:28 cait we hope a lot of people will attend... I will once my laptop is talking to me again
18:28 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba, Argentina
18:28 cait ;)
18:28 magnuse oops
18:28 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15
18:28 ricmarques paul_p++
18:28 sekjal I agree with paul_p
18:27 * paul_p think this global sign-off day is a GREAT idea.
18:27 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15
18:27 slef #info global sign-off day for today/tomorrow june 15th
18:27 cait on this topic - we have planned a global sign off day for today/tomorrow june 15th
18:27 rhcl #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
18:27 slef Waylon: I'm sure I've done IRC meetings from sat on the sand in Miami Beach :)
18:26 rangi marking bugs resolved and signing others off
18:26 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late)
18:26 slef rangi: what is most helpful for others to do?
18:26 Waylon Meeting attending... on a bus... incredible what the worlds done.
18:26 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl?type=json
18:26 rangi if you want the raw data for that table
18:25 cait late comers, plz use #info - thx :)
18:25 sekjal Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late, I'm on a bus)
18:25 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
18:24 tcohen Tomas Cohen, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
18:24 rhcl sorry for late checkin - rhcl = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
18:24 rangi you can track the progress at http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/
18:24 slef #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/
18:24 rangi its in progress,
18:24 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6
18:24 cait then..
18:23 cait ok, let's talk about 3.6 zhrn
18:23 rangi ahh, yeah 3.4 is chris_n
18:23 cait for 3.4 - but we can move on to 3.6
18:23 ajmalkhan how to copy this link in this applet
18:23 nengard did
18:23 nengard she already ddi
18:23 rangi or not bothering with that ?
18:23 rangi wanna do the topic thing?
18:22 slef ajmalkhan: hi yes. See http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-14-18.04.log.txt
18:22 cait can you say something about 3.4?
18:22 wizzyrea yes
18:22 ajmalkhan hi meeting started?
18:22 library_systems_guy cait are you back?
18:22 wizzyrea nope
18:22 Waylon about 6:30..
18:22 cait there he is
18:22 ricmarques My mistake! :)
18:21 cait ah
18:21 rangi hello
18:21 ricmarques cait: I'm guessing rangi is still sleeping? Current time in NZ?
18:21 wizzyrea #info As with 3.0, if there is a volunteer to take over RMaint for 3.2, that release can live on. Even so, that discussion will happen in August 2011.
18:21 cait rangi: ping
18:20 wizzyrea should there be a volunteer to rmaint, I imagine it could be managed
18:20 paul_p as usual, if someone volunteer to be RMAint for 3.2, then no end
18:20 slef Waylon: think about what you would prefer
18:20 ricmarques Waylon: No need to depreciate the RM for 3.2... He's a good fellow! ;-)
18:20 slef Waylon: to be decided
18:20 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4
18:20 wizzyrea slef ;)
18:20 Waylon Close, and depreciate the RM for 3.2, or just cease active work on it?
18:20 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.4
18:20 slef wizzyrea: :P
18:20 cait ok. let's move on
18:20 cait yep
18:19 paul_p cait, plan to plan is a good info I think ;-)
18:19 wizzyrea #info the plan is to plan to talk about possibly EOL'ing 3.2 in AUGUST.
18:19 ricmarques I admit I'm more of a fan of ... err... "longer-lived" releases
18:19 oakivil but that bureucracy
18:19 cait ok, want to #info something?
18:19 paul_p slef lol
18:19 ricmarques slef: LOL!
18:19 slef no, we PLAN to PLAN killing 3.2 in AUGUST :)
18:19 paul_p Waylon, nope, we PLAN to "kill" 3.2 in AUGUST
18:18 wizzyrea in AUGUST.
18:18 Waylon wow. We just killed 3.0.. now we're killing 3.2?
18:18 wizzyrea ricmarques: with new versions coming every 6 mo, there seems little reason to keep a lot of back versions
18:18 slef ricmarques: given the changes to templates, maybe there will be some libraries willing to fund life-support for 3.2?
18:18 slef ricmarques: a motion. We can persist if enough people want it.
18:17 slef #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-9/#more-2321
18:17 slef was repeated in
18:17 ricmarques Already near killing 3.2.x?! Gee... You move fast.
18:16 slef #info "After 3.2.10 or 04/15/2011, a motion will be made at the August 2011 general IRC meeting to officially announce EOL"
18:16 cait ok
18:16 slef #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-8/
18:16 cait #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-translate/2011-June/001605.html
18:16 wizzyrea at the link I pasted above
18:16 wizzyrea "
18:16 wizzyrea "Important announcement concerning 3.2.cx EOL
18:16 tajoli But I have done the new translation, as I know
18:15 wizzyrea there was an announcement in the 3.2.8 release notes
18:15 cait hm no, it's ok
18:15 tajoli The biggest italina Koha user is an ex-Amicus
18:15 slef cait: do you mean http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-translate/2011-June/001584.html ?
18:15 wizzyrea #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-2-8-is-now-available-td4398256.html
18:14 tajoli is a feature of Amicus, not present in Koha
18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, RESOLVED FIXED, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types
18:14 tajoli I sponsor the bug Bug 3013
18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
18:13 slef bug 5449
18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3624 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Basket group delivery place
18:13 slef bug 3624
18:13 tajoli In fact the last commit of 3.2 was done for a marc21 fix
18:13 cait does someone have the link to the mail perhaps?
18:13 slef Looking at that, I think there are 2 blockers still needing attention
18:13 cait there is some translation work to do and a release can be postponed if necessary
18:12 cait ok, I think there was a message on the translator's list
18:12 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.2#Release
18:12 cait as chris_n seems not to be around, can someone else say something about this?
18:12 ricmarques wizzyrea: Yep...The text that hdl put seems in the Link slef put looks great to me ("If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access.")
18:11 cait chris_n: ping
18:11 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.2
18:11 wizzyrea #info proposal to close 3.0 passed with no naysayers
18:11 cait ok
18:11 slef move on cait! ;-)
18:11 wizzyrea safe to say no naysayers, vote carries?
18:11 thd This vote could never stop anyone from volunteering
18:11 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:11 cait thx slef
18:10 slef "If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access"
18:10 slef #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-May/035542.html
18:10 ricmarques thd: thanks :)
18:10 cait #info Vote is to formally close 3.0
18:10 thd ricmarques++
18:10 slef ricmarques: I think there was one
18:10 paul_p (we still have a few libraries running 3.0, but plan to move them to 3.4 asap)
18:10 wizzyrea ricmarques: that's easy enough.
18:09 tajoli +1
18:09 ricmarques I'd say "+1" (but I would like to have some link with some text to invite future Release Maintainers)
18:09 Waylon +1
18:09 thd +1
18:09 drojf +1
18:09 cait +1
18:09 magnuse +1
18:09 paul_p +1
18:09 ColinC +1
18:09 Waylon slef: agreed. as it is, im not up to date on security fixes and bugs and such. the git tree's been sawn in half and burned.
18:09 slef +1
18:09 cait ok. so let's have a last vote - vote +1 for closing 3.0
18:09 slef so it's dead unless someone steps forwards to propose themselves in a future meeting
18:08 slef magnuse: +1
18:08 cait wizzyrea: +1
18:08 slef Waylon: but planning an escape to 3.2 or 3.4 would be my advice.
18:08 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe
18:08 magnuse the last minutes said "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot." there is no new RM so it's dead
18:08 cait Colin, jwagner: can you please do the #info too? for the minutes
18:08 gmcharlt +1
18:08 nengard +1
18:08 wizzyrea I formally propose to close version 3.0, until such time as it has an adoptive RMaint
18:08 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox
18:08 slef Waylon: do you need to fix security/serious bugs anyway? If so, it would be a great give-back to share
18:08 oakivil #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Library of Joensuu, Open Library 2013
18:07 thd gmcharlt: add #info in front of your information for autominutes
18:07 ColinC Colin Campbell, PTFS Europr
18:07 ricmarques I admit I'm still running a 3.0.x installation. That's the problem of having many other non-Koha related tasks where I work (few time to test / do an upgrade)
18:07 cait ok, so how can we proceed on this?
18:07 gmcharlt Galen Charlton, Equinox
18:06 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre
18:06 Waylon but.. yeah.. sounds like alot of work for a dead parrot.
18:06 thd paul_p: add #info in front of your information
18:06 Waylon the digital library archive im working for, has used it as the base.. so i am quite familar with at least the auth, search, branches and member modules and scripts.
18:06 ricmarques Welcome Paul... Jane
18:06 * paul_p Paul Poulain, BibLibre
18:05 jwagner Jane Wagner Liblime/PTFS (chiming in a bit late)
18:05 slef paul_p: welcome. Sorry to hear that.
18:05 slef Waylon: difficulty/risk of having to rewrite things yourself would increase as current development gets further away
18:05 paul_p hello, sorry to be late, i've problems with my internet access
18:05 ricmarques slef++
18:04 cait and we currently do 3.2.x and 3.4.x bugfix releases
18:04 slef Waylon: depends how many bugs are reported against it, but I think a minimum would be backporting the security fixes from late 3.2
18:04 ricmarques Waylon: I would say ONLY to offer to fix / accept fixes for any outstanding bug that gets reported.
18:04 wizzyrea Waylon: you would want to consult any of the release maintainers
18:04 cait Waylon: I think another release only makes sense if you have people writing bug fixes for it
18:03 slef #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-11-02.01.html "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot"
18:03 Waylon How much work is involved in adopting it?
18:03 * magnuse has not seen any
18:03 nengard +1 to closing
18:03 wizzyrea he's gone on record stating it's his intention to close it
18:03 slef Have there been any offers to adopt it?
18:03 magnuse yup
18:03 cait ok, i think hdl said he will not be able to attend the meeting
18:03 wizzyrea do it
18:02 cait #topic Formally Close 3.0?
18:02 cait ready?
18:02 ricmarques #info Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter)
18:02 Waylon #info Waylon, Mandumah.com (arabic digital library archive), based in Saudi Arabia... I am in New Zealand
18:02 cait ok, let's start with the first item on the agenda
18:02 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, Italy, translation and patch
18:01 thd slef++
18:01 drojf thx magnuse :)
18:01 cait slef++ :)
18:01 magnuse yay
18:01 thd :)
18:01 magnuse welcome drojf ;-)
18:01 slef one less job to do :)
18:01 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany
18:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:01 nengard #info Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions
18:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:01 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour)
18:01 slef like that
18:01 ricmarques Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter)
18:01 wizzyrea why not
18:01 nengard so you want us to put #info in front of our names?
18:01 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, NEKLS, KS USA
18:00 magnuse good idea, slef
18:00 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy
18:00 slef #info MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop
18:00 slef then they'd appear in the minutes
18:00 slef err I'm going to get a kick... why don't we #info these?
18:00 drojf Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany (first time lurker;)
18:00 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:00 * cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:00 * magnuse Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour)
18:00 * slef MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop
18:00 * wizzyrea Liz Rea, NEKLS (Kansas USA)
18:00 * nengard Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions
17:59 cait #topic introductions
17:59 Waylon OOOOO, huginn has had an upgrade... nice...
17:59 cait let's start with introductions
17:59 wizzyrea I also have them :)
17:59 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
17:59 huginn Meeting started Tue Jun 14 18:04:15 2011 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:59 cait #startmeeting
17:59 thd :)
17:58 slef apparently I have them if we need them
17:58 cait ok, I will start the meetbot
17:58 Waylon ah okay.
17:58 cait I don't think we need ops
17:58 slef who needs ops?
17:58 Waylon do we have an active, opable person?
17:57 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_14_June_2011
17:56 cait http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Semi-automatic-minutes-for-IRC-meetings-on-koha-td3264811.html
17:56 slef thd: yes
17:56 thd Is there an agenda even?
17:56 ricmarques cait: Missing or fleeing? ;-)
17:56 cait Brooke will not be able to attend tonight and she asked me to chair the meeting - but I will be happy if someone else volunteers
17:56 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
17:56 slef wahanui: you suck
17:56 Waylon ... gah.. okay.
17:56 slef meetbot?
17:56 slef ok, anyone got a link to the meetbot instructions?
17:56 cait yeah, our release managers/maintainers are missing
17:56 slef no rangi?
17:55 thd hdl: Thanks for the quick answer
17:55 Waylon chris, without the n, is here, at least.
17:55 cait hi slef
17:55 wahanui hi, slef
17:55 slef hi
17:55 cait hm, this could be a short meeting
17:54 cait chris_n: around?
17:54 hdl yes it is one way
17:53 hdl and since you cannot roundtrip MARC21 to UNIMARC...
17:53 hdl it is xslt
17:53 hdl (that could also help the other way round.... ;) )
17:53 thd hdl: Is that a one way mapping?
17:52 hdl enable libraries to get biblios from LOC when they are in UNIMARC.
17:52 Oak \o
17:51 thd hdl: What is the general purpose of the crosswalk branch?
17:51 hdl if you ask quick
17:50 thd hdl: could you answer a quick question?
17:50 ricmarques hdl: OK Henri. Take care :)
17:50 hdl Will read logs
17:50 ricmarques magnuse: LOL! Quick: Start singing! ;-)
17:50 hdl Hi all... Sorry. Won't attend the irc meeting.
17:50 magnuse the bugs sure would flee if they had to hear me sing...
17:49 oakivil bugdance
17:49 drojf hehe, sing all the bugs away
17:49 ricmarques oakivil: eheh
17:49 oakivil I'm singing in the IRC
17:49 oakivil makes me wonder how do we sing in irc
17:49 magnuse that's the idea! ;-)
17:49 mib_cait perhals, make it more look like fun instead of work.. :)
17:48 ricmarques A few minutes ago, I fixed a small typo in the "Agenda" for today's IRC meeting in the Wiki - "Global *sign* off day" was written "Global *sing* off day" - I though the typo was cute... maybe it was intentional? ;-)
17:47 Oak mib_cait, that was for you
17:47 ricmarques Hi all :)
17:46 Oak and in this link, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2, ctrl+f GRUB 2 Troubleshooting Preparation
17:44 Oak okay.
17:44 mib_cait oak: can't install grub - wifi n ot working
17:43 mib_cait the meeting starts in 12 minutes
17:43 mib_cait ok
17:43 library_systems_guy mib_cait i have to go afk for a bit
17:42 Oak after booting into Live cd... try this: in above link, ctrl+f Restoring GRUB
17:41 * library_systems_guy thanks mib_cait
17:41 drojf hello #koha
17:41 * mib_cait shares with library_systems_guy and oak
17:41 mib_cait thx magnuse :)
17:40 * magnuse waves to mib_cait and sends some consolation cookies
17:40 mib_cait and I didn't install windoes
17:40 mib_cait Oak: which part of it?
17:40 * mib_cait waves to magnuse
17:39 Oak mib_cait, I asked in #ubuntu in Freenode, check this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
17:39 mib_cait ... cannot stat aufs
17:38 library_systems_guy sudo grub-install /dev/sda
17:38 mib_cait installation finished, no errors reported
17:37 library_systems_guy sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
17:36 mib_cait already mouted
17:35 library_systems_guy sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
17:35 mib_cait is already the newest version
17:32 library_systems_guy can you run sudo apt-get install grub-pc
17:29 mib_cait /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error. cannot stat aufs
17:28 mib_cait following the instrcutions on the ubuntu page I run int o this
17:28 Oak that's what we used to do with windoze problems... in linux we *fix* things
17:28 mib_cait ok... coworker did it the last time
17:28 mib_cait why is this time so hard?
17:28 * library_systems_guy feels really bad that he can't find a fast solution
17:28 mib_cait I repaired it 2 times...
17:28 * library_systems_guy agrees wtih larryb
17:27 mib_cait it will take hours
17:27 larryb But that's me.
17:27 larryb If the ubuntu documentation for grub doesn't help, and if were me, I'd use the live cd to backup all my files, and do a clean install.
17:25 mib_cait ok, I am on the live cd terminal now... can go back to the grub line
17:25 larryb Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest.
17:25 library_systems_guy at the grub menu can you type boot
17:24 mib_cait regular update, finished without problems, not sure what's going wrong
17:24 mib_cait ubuntu, after update all I get is grub>
17:24 library_systems_guy mib_cait is having issues with grub failing
17:23 mib_cait trying to repair my laptop
17:23 larryb I missed the beginning of the conversation. What up?
17:22 library_systems_guy larryb might have some insight on this too
17:22 library_systems_guy ok so this is for grub2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
17:21 * Oak returns the balloons and cake
17:21 mib_cait yeah
17:21 Oak crap
17:20 library_systems_guy poop
17:20 mib_cait didn't work
17:20 mib_cait hm, grub
17:20 mib_cait ok, could get the files otu
17:20 mib_cait yes, files and a koha installation I don't want to redo...
17:20 library_systems_guy is there anything on there that is preventing you from doing a clean install?
17:19 library_systems_guy 0_0
17:19 mib_cait I/o errors
17:19 library_systems_guy what is weird about it?
17:19 library_systems_guy uh oh
17:19 mib_cait hm, shutting down... is looking weird
17:19 * Oak goes prepare for celebrations
17:19 * library_systems_guy crosses fingers for mib_cait
17:18 Oak moment of truth
17:18 mib_cait all fingers crossed please!
17:18 mib_cait hm, we will see
17:18 library_systems_guy so if you reboot does it work??
17:18 mib_cait so this was it´?
17:18 library_systems_guy YAYY
17:18 mib_cait sudo grub-install... gives me Installation finished. No error reported
17:18 library_systems_guy so the last one should be
17:18 mib_cait I did the first 3 steps
17:18 mib_cait looks good
17:16 library_systems_guy so does the sudo mkdir /media/sda1 work?
17:15 library_systems_guy its ok
17:15 mib_cait I have no other os on this laptop, only ubuntu
17:15 library_systems_guy sweet
17:15 mib_cait the fdisk shows sda1 as linux
17:15 library_systems_guy ok cool
17:15 library_systems_guy ahh ok...not possible in a setting or not possible with added code?
17:15 mib_cait ok, back in termainal
17:14 mib_cait about your question- location in result list. I think it's not possible right now, but might be wrong
17:14 mib_cait ok
17:13 library_systems_guy mind taking a look at this link while you wait http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
17:13 library_systems_guy its ok :)
17:13 mib_cait library_systems_guy: starting the live cd takes a little, I am on my way
17:12 mib_cait your hours are fast :P
17:12 Oak okay, hour is over, what does this do: find /sbin/init ?
17:11 library_systems_guy sorry mib_cait
17:11 library_systems_guy grr ok back to the terminal
17:10 mib_cait unknown commant chroot
17:10 library_systems_guy try that, if it doesn't work we'll go back to the terminal
17:10 mib_cait ok
17:10 library_systems_guy chroot /bin/bash /
17:09 library_systems_guy ok one last thing and then we can go back to the live cd
17:09 mib_cait most of the manuals suggest getting into a terminal from a livecd
17:09 mib_cait I think this will not work from the grub line
17:09 library_systems_guy grr
17:09 mib_cait unknown command mount
17:08 * paul_p_home head for dinner, see you in 1 hours
17:08 * Oak will be quiet for one hour now
17:07 library_systems_guy let me know if it work
17:07 library_systems_guy try that
17:07 library_systems_guy mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
17:06 * library_systems_guy isn't giving up on mib_cait
17:06 wahanui rumour has it slef is a proponent of all things cooperative
17:06 mib_cait slef?
17:06 mib_cait library_systems_guy: what now?
17:06 * mib_cait is in a mood to throw something now
17:06 Oak uh oh,
17:06 mib_cait or nice
17:06 mib_cait that is not helpful
17:06 Oak go ahead
17:06 Oak huh, okay, you can cry now
17:05 mib_cait unknown command root
17:03 * library_systems_guy hugs mib_cait
17:03 Oak mib_cait, don't
17:03 mib_cait have to find out first how to type ( and ) on an english keyboard
17:03 * mib_cait wants to cry
17:03 library_systems_guy yes
17:03 mib_cait so root (hd0,0)
17:03 mib_cait on grub command line now
17:03 mib_cait ok
17:02 Oak :)
17:02 slef Oak: good link. I didn't know about find.
17:02 library_systems_guy this is what i am using for reference http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg92047.html
17:02 mib_cait it's ok... this laptop has realyl a sense for bad timing
17:01 library_systems_guy lol sorry I tried to catch ruth
17:01 mib_cait ok, I am confused by now
17:01 mib_cait ?
17:01 library_systems_guy have you had a chance to looks at those *ILS that shall not be named* scripts
17:00 Oak yes, slef ... this says same thing: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm
17:00 library_systems_guy hey druthb
17:00 slef biab
17:00 slef but pressing tab a lot rocks
16:59 library_systems_guy is the computer you are talking to us on there
16:59 slef If you're really only got a grub> prompt then a boot syntax will be something like: root (hd0,0), then kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 5, then maybe initrd /initrd.img, then boot
16:59 library_systems_guy oh man
16:59 library_systems_guy err grub shell
16:59 library_systems_guy yeah so you can get to a grub window
16:58 mib_cait hm, I am still in the terminal from the live cd - so leave that and restart?
16:58 library_systems_guy then can you let me know what you get?
16:57 library_systems_guy generally if it is an older computer it is
16:57 library_systems_guy assuming hd0 is where grub is installed
16:57 library_systems_guy grub> root (hd0,0)
16:56 collum http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
16:56 collum mib_cait: I had to add nomodeset to my grub settings on an old profile computer at home.
16:56 slef pressing tab definitely helps
16:55 Oak at that prompt, does typing 'help' do anything?
16:54 mib_cait or not at all.. where not at all means I only get that screen with the grub> command line. but the possibilities from there seem limited
16:54 mib_cait from the live cd
16:54 mib_cait I have a terminal now
16:53 library_systems_guy ok
16:53 library_systems_guy poo
16:53 mib_cait not at all
16:53 library_systems_guy or will it not boot at all?
16:53 library_systems_guy but I would still try and reinstall grub from inside ubuntu if possible
16:53 library_systems_guy ok so this is saying there are several options
16:52 mib_cait library_systems_guy++
16:52 mib_cait library_systems_guy
16:52 mib_cait and thx for trying to help me :)
16:52 mib_cait http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur#chroot-Methode
16:52 library_systems_guy you really only use chroot to reinstall grub
16:51 library_systems_guy do you have a link that you are looking at?
16:51 library_systems_guy so where you see grub>
16:51 library_systems_guy i've only had to do it once
16:51 mib_cait ok?
16:51 library_systems_guy i think you just use chroot from the grub command line
16:50 mib_cait yes
16:50 library_systems_guy for grub?
16:50 library_systems_guy im ok...i get around pretty well
16:50 mib_cait this manual says "change into a chroot environment"
16:49 mib_cait so you are good with linux?
16:49 mib_cait and it happened 3 times now...
16:49 library_systems_guy err desktop for that matter
16:49 library_systems_guy ohh yeah that is really old for a laptop
16:49 mib_cait about 8 years now
16:49 mib_cait this laptop is really old
16:49 mib_cait coworker said problem could be the graphics chip
16:49 mib_cait wellI guess it's too late for that now
16:48 library_systems_guy ill see if it kills mine too
16:48 library_systems_guy im running the latest updates now
16:47 library_systems_guy just to kill abandoned packages
16:47 library_systems_guy i still have to do it on my ubuntu desktop install
16:47 mib_cait I think it should do that automagically
16:46 mib_cait ubuntu desktip
16:46 library_systems_guy apt-get autoremove
16:46 mib_cait I just agreed to update
16:46 library_systems_guy apt-get autoclean
16:46 mib_cait I am still a linux newb
16:46 mib_cait ?
16:46 library_systems_guy and you've done the autoclean and autoremove stuff?
16:45 mib_cait one time I managed to do it... but took no notes :(
16:45 * library_systems_guy is thinking
16:45 mib_cait last time my coworker repaired it for me
16:45 mib_cait and all I get on the next restart is a blinking grub>
16:45 library_systems_guy ohh
16:45 mib_cait but sometimes when I run updates... something goes terribly wrong
16:45 mib_cait I am already there...
16:45 mib_cait no
16:45 library_systems_guy are you updating to 11.04?
16:44 mib_cait I only get a lot of error messages
16:44 library_systems_guy have you tried popping in the ubuntu disk and running a recovery?
16:44 mib_cait no
16:44 library_systems_guy the grub repair doesn't work?
16:43 mib_cait this grub repair thing doesn't work :(
16:43 * mib_cait sobs too
16:43 library_systems_guy opac
16:43 mib_cait the opac or intranet result list?
16:43 mib_cait in which list?
16:41 library_systems_guy item*
16:40 library_systems_guy Margo also wanted me to ask you guys if there was a setting to put the location of an itom in the results list
16:40 * library_systems_guy sobs softly
16:39 mib_cait to actually send the notices out
16:39 mib_cait you will also need process_message_queue
16:39 library_systems_guy thanks mib_cait
16:39 mib_cait overdue_notices.pl or similar
16:39 mib_cait it's under misc... cronjobs
16:38 wahanui hmmm... overdues is a cronjob, so that's easy
16:38 library_systems_guy overdues
16:38 mib_cait there are 3 cronjobs related to notices and emails I think
16:38 mib_cait which notices?
16:34 library_systems_guy (assuming its one script)
16:34 library_systems_guy does anybody know where the script is that handles notices and emails
16:23 rhcl wonder if Koha supports bitcoins....
16:21 mib_cait I think the laptop's old graphic card and ubuntu don't like each other much
16:21 mib_cait and after that... grub>...
16:21 mib_cait evertthing is ok... until I decide to update it
16:20 mib_cait it's the third time it happened :(
16:20 mib_cait not sure this will help here
16:18 Oak Linux Loader
16:18 Oak never heard of lilo O-O
16:18 mib_cait lilo?
16:17 * Oak uses lilo -- Always
16:15 mib_cait now tryint to repair my laptop...
16:15 Oak good good
16:15 mib_cait spent time with my family :)
16:15 Oak i was wondering where were you... not here i mean
16:15 mib_cait my laptop is pulling the blinking grub> stunt again :(
16:14 mib_cait finally?
16:14 Oak hello mib_cait ... finally
16:14 mib_cait hi #koha
16:09 druthb chugging along. :)
16:08 Oak Hello druthb :) how are you today?
16:07 druthb hi, Oak!
16:07 Oak \o
15:48 slef my 3.4 working directory is a mess of merges at the moment so I don't want to look at that
15:47 slef small warning, I'm looking at 3.2 and you just said you're going to 3.4.1
15:47 nengard k
15:47 slef yeah, pretty sure that's it... there are quite a few fields called notes in koha though.
15:47 nengard I need to test again ... but I don't think so
15:46 slef acqui/basket?
15:44 nengard can we see that anywhere in the GUI?
15:44 slef (via C4::Acquisitions::ModOrder)
15:44 nengard thanks!
15:44 slef nengard: it ends up in aqorders.notes
15:42 slef sorry, finishreceive.pl
15:42 slef URL ends orderreceive.pl, right?
15:42 slef can you tell me the <input>s name?
15:41 nengard if you can that would be awesome
15:41 slef nengard: no. Shall I look?
15:39 nengard anyone know where the note you enter in acq when receiving an item is supposed to go?
15:25 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
15:25 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard something has gone funny with your column hiding stuff on batchmod-edit and batchdel :(
15:21 huginn kmkale: The operation succeeded.
15:21 kmkale @later tell Brooke Yes that description of Thane is fairly accurate
15:18 reiveune bye
15:14 kmkale Namaste druthb :)
15:12 druthb namaste, kmkale. :)
15:11 wizzyrea oleonard: about?
15:11 rhcl guess I'm lost with the euro languages.. :)
15:08 kmkale Namaskar #koha
15:05 nengard glad to help!
15:05 talljoy nengard++
15:05 talljoy nengard: have enjoyed reading the "librarian friendly" release notes on koha page. Thanks!
15:04 slef rhcl: kio?
15:04 slef I mean
15:03 slef rhcl: ĉio?
15:03 nengard just a lot :0
15:03 nengard I have a book due to the publisher in a week and we're upgrading all our libraries to 3.4.1 and just finished SLA and have ALA coming up ....
15:03 nengard I think it is ... sometimes I can't tell
15:02 oleonard I hope it's a good busy nengard
15:02 nengard so "hi" #koha
15:02 nengard just realized I haven't said "hi" in a while ... I've been here, just distracted and busy
14:58 rhcl 안녕
14:57 * talljoy laughs
14:57 oleonard Gesundheit
14:56 rhcl Magandang gabi oleonard
14:56 rhcl let me try this again :)
14:53 tcohen miguel?
14:53 tcohen hola Miguel
14:52 miguel ok, thanks
14:52 huginn rhcl: tcohen was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 47 seconds ago: <tcohen> ok, i'll try to update the wiki page then
14:52 rhcl @seen tcohen
14:52 rhcl miguel: I think you are looking for tchoen, but he may not be logged on yet.
14:51 rhcl Isn't that tcohen?
14:50 miguel Are there anyone connected from Cordoba University of Argentina?
14:43 rhcl and I barely remember a few phrases here and there....
14:42 rhcl Yea, well, my tagalog wasn't from a formal college. :)
14:37 * druthb has been accused of barely speaking English, and was firmly advised *not* to attempt taking a foreign language in college.
14:35 rhcl druthb: kumusta po kayo?
14:35 * druthb checks to see if someone rearranged the keys on rhcl's keyboard while he wasn't lookin'.
14:34 rhcl Magandang Gabi
14:22 wizzyrea never mind lol I have a dumb.
14:16 slef anyone recognise this template syntax? {[content_viewer:popupMenu:rootID=137&direction=H]}
14:13 wizzyrea oleonard: is there any issue with these if ($input->param("del") in if's?
14:00 magnuse cool
13:59 tcohen ok, i'll try to update the wiki page then
13:59 magnuse it should, yes
13:59 tcohen magnuse: so, if you install 3.4.X from zero, and import data the-old-way (952-coded holdings) it will work as expected
13:58 magnuse koha will update the database with data from 952 and then reassemble the 952 when it is needed
13:57 magnuse tcohen: heh, yeah guess that is one way to see it...
13:56 tcohen magnuse: then for importing records with holdings people should keep coding holdings data into 952 and koha will remove it?=
13:55 magnuse tcohen: i think this is your best reference: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
13:55 druthb tcohen++ #for 3.4-upgrade-problem-finder-script.
13:54 tcohen more specifically, on importing holdings data INTO koha?
13:54 tcohen hi #koha, is there an entry on the wiki for holdings data in post-3.2 versions of koha?
13:23 magnuse don't forget to give Koha the thumbs up at http://koha-community.org/ if you havn't done so already!
13:05 magnuse here's a story from march: "National Library brings 'Koha' to Pangasinan" http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=670254&publicationSubCategoryId=473
12:58 kivilahtio :D what a translation
12:58 kivilahtio multilinguistics is a richness
12:58 oleonard But I have the luxury of speaking the dominant language.
12:58 kivilahtio It will be hard time for them to figure it all out
12:57 oleonard Either way it always makes me sad. The more the merrier.
12:57 druthb could be both, oleonard.
12:55 oleonard I wonder if the language barrier is too much for collaboration or if collaboration just isn't in some institutions' nature.
12:54 magnuse anyway: yay! ;-)
12:53 magnuse hm, i think there was a news thing about that a while back? i might be mixing countries...
12:52 oleonard " The National Library of the Philippines has launched this morning the Koha Integrated Library System "
12:52 oleonard This is the first I've heard of this: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15779
12:45 kivilahtio and i cant kick oakivil
12:45 kivilahtio but i forgot my mirc open @ home so my primary nick is kinda reserved
12:45 magnuse aha! ;-)
12:45 kivilahtio from my office this time
12:45 kivilahtio actually i am oakivil
12:45 kivilahtio haha
12:44 magnuse from your nick ;-) kivi-lahti-o
12:44 kivilahtio ip trace leads right into Joensuu
12:44 kivilahtio where did you get Lahti?
12:44 kivilahtio Joensuu
12:44 kivilahtio sorry
12:44 magnuse cool!
12:44 kivilahtio Helsinki
12:44 kivilahtio office closes at 19:00 :D maybe I'll get a special permission to stay
12:44 magnuse lahti - finland?
12:44 magnuse 5 hours, i'd say?
12:43 kivilahtio wow 21:00 :D
12:43 magnuse http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2011&month=6&day=14&hour=18&min=0&sec=0
12:43 kivilahtio ok
12:43 kivilahtio so in 4 hours
12:42 kivilahtio its almost 16:00 here gmt +2
12:42 magnuse 14 June 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0
12:42 kivilahtio it was at 18:00?
12:42 magnuse a little early i think
12:42 kivilahtio werent we supposed to have some kind of meeting here?
11:21 kivilahtio yeah! Got static IP routing to work via mobile data connection!
10:23 druthb o/
10:04 raosoma can anyone help me in configuring email in koha installed on debian server
10:03 raosoma hi good morning...
10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home o/
09:15 magnuse hehe
09:15 oakivil to bother you evenmore
09:15 oakivil trying to get irc connection via mobile
09:14 magnuse no problem, oakivil
09:14 oakivil but time for me to hit the office, thanks a LOT Mr. Magnus
09:14 oakivil ok
09:14 magnuse hehe
09:14 oakivil looks like ill be studying the PERL hello world for a while
09:12 magnuse here's a perl script i used to do it: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/LibrioTools/blob/master/tidem/loans.pl
09:12 oakivil so now I have tools to create the record-item-issues-patrons chain
09:12 magnuse hehe
09:12 oakivil scary thought
09:12 oakivil not by hand..
09:11 oakivil yeah generating :D
09:11 magnuse or just generating files in the same format
09:11 oakivil uding the offline client to make those .koh files
09:10 oakivil hmm thats a good idea
09:10 magnuse yeah, really old, a lot can have changed since then
09:10 oakivil but its old
09:10 magnuse to make sure i did not miss any "connections"
09:10 oakivil im reading this one
09:10 oakivil http://kohadocs.org/usersguide/apas03.html
09:10 magnuse what i did when i imported active loans/issues was i created a file in the format used by the offline clients
09:09 magnuse table structure: http://paste.koha-community.org/82
09:09 oakivil ok
09:08 magnuse the table is called "issues"
09:07 magnuse that is possible
09:07 oakivil so i should directly modify that table?
09:06 oakivil ok
09:06 oakivil well if it is supposed to be made like that and it is the easiest way then ill do it just the way you said
09:06 magnuse there's a table in the database...
09:06 oakivil how are the items connected as loans to patrons?
09:06 magnuse that's what i would recommend, certainly
09:05 oakivil so instead of directly manipulating the database is hould create compålex marc21xml-records
09:05 magnuse cool
09:05 oakivil this clarifies a lot
09:05 oakivil ah ok
09:02 magnuse one 952 for each item connected to a record
09:02 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29#MARC21_Holding_field.2C_3.0_default_-_field_952
09:02 magnuse well, the easiest is probably yo create the items in the marcxml, in the 952 fields
09:01 oakivil and i lose the connection from biblios to items and items to patrons
09:01 oakivil now using this import script will change the pk
09:01 magnuse sorry, that should be bulkmarcimport.pl...
09:01 oakivil in our current database biblios are connected to items via a document id
09:00 oakivil how can i trace the id's
09:00 oakivil ok
09:00 magnuse well if you create marcxml you can import that with the "stage records for import tool" in the web ui, or use the batchmarcimport.pl tool from the command line, and those tools will take care of all the syncing and everything
08:59 oakivil it was speculated that it might cause problems
08:59 oakivil and fill the marcxml?
08:58 oakivil can i just omit the marc-field?
08:58 oakivil bot are longstrings
08:58 oakivil marc and marcxml
08:58 oakivil but there are two fields in the database
08:57 oakivil yeah were talking about MARC21XML :D
08:57 oakivil ok
08:54 magnuse marcxml is probably the easiest to create
08:54 magnuse it's either marcxml or iso2709
08:54 magnuse so you can have marc21 in marcxml format
08:54 magnuse um, marc21 is a marc dialect, marcxml is a format
08:54 oakivil MARCXML is easier for me
08:53 oakivil so should i generate MARC21 or MARCXML?
08:53 magnuse and you need to index them before they are searchable, which uses the marc or marcxml columns
08:53 oakivil ok
08:53 magnuse you would need to assemble the marcxml somehow, and i don't think there is a way to sunc from the database tables to marcxml
08:52 magnuse hm, i think transforming your data to marc records with e.g. marcedit is a better bet than inserting into the database directly
08:48 oakivil that help me preserve the biblio-item-patron relations
08:48 oakivil looking for any migration tools inside koha
08:47 oakivil I am just trying to figure out the best approach to data migration
08:47 oakivil 3.4
08:45 magnuse oakivil: what version of koha are you using?
08:40 oakivil how do I trigger the zebra indexing if so?
08:39 oakivil Do I need to index them with zebra?
08:39 oakivil what fields should I supply to create a bare minimum testing environment? Where one could browse for items through the OPAC, loan and return books?
08:38 oakivil I already tried to add a new biblio but couldnt find it afterwards to be edited via the cataloguing section, even thought there is a new bibliorow in the database
08:38 oakivil I found this message in the mailing list: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-March/023264.html . Here a guy claims that by directly injecting the bare necessary author and title data to Koha's biblio, biblioitems, additionalautors, items & itemtypes -tables is not enough to make them searchable. This is exactly the approach I am doing. Do I need to somehow generate the marcxml as well?
07:56 magnuse bonjour julian_
07:55 julian_ hi #koha
07:44 miguel I would try to explain them through koha wiki, but some of them are manage facets or browser by directory
07:44 magnuse miguel: cool!
07:44 hdl miguel: nice.
07:42 miguel I would like to announce that we are going to publish some developments that can be interesting for the community
07:38 miguel Hola henri
07:38 hdl hola miguel
07:37 miguel Hola, buenos dias magnuse
07:37 eythian magnuse: yeah, we have a govt agency that uses that method for authenticating against all their internal services, so need it.
07:36 magnuse hola miguel
07:36 miguel Hello Koha
07:35 magnuse eythian++
07:34 magnuse ooh, sounds cool
07:34 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6296] Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296>
07:14 magnuse heh
07:12 eythian �Some say that [rebasing] is made so that when we are about to understand it, it changes into something even more incomprehensible. And then there are those who say that this has already happened.� --apologies to Douglas Adams
07:12 magnuse ouch
07:11 eythian I swear, every time I think I understand rebasing, it just gets a bit more confusing.
07:11 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:07 Oak :)
07:07 alex_a hi Oak :)
07:02 oakivil it was just a thought about my depressing current work situation
07:02 oakivil don't sweat
07:02 oakivil :D
07:02 oakivil I'll find out
07:02 Oak oakivil, I don't know the answer, but which mobile you have?
07:01 Oak hello alex_a :)
07:00 alex_a hello #koha !
06:57 oakivil i need to rig something via my mobile to reach this chat
06:55 eythian g'day oakivil
06:54 oakivil kiitos!
06:54 Oak http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-06-14
06:52 oakivil where cann i see the irc logs?
06:52 oakivil morning koha!
06:43 reiveune hi Oak
06:42 Oak hello reiveune :)
06:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
06:41 reiveune hello
06:34 eythian sweet, I've got client SSL certificate authentication working in Koha now. Time to upstream it.
06:01 hdl hi oak
06:01 Oak hello hdl :)
06:00 wahanui privet, hdl
06:00 hdl hi
05:58 Oak \o
05:40 Ropuch^ Morning #koha
04:45 peleroform when i start make
04:44 peleroform pearl makefile.pl path-to-installfile
04:44 peleroform because I use it on a ubuntu 10.04 LTS system (installed with a liveCD) and when I try to upgrade I always get some errors after
04:43 peleroform is it possible to upgrade direct to version 3.4. when I use version 3.0
04:42 rangi hi peleroform
04:42 peleroform hi
03:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6061 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , C4::Context clearing up system preference on update
03:43 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 6061: clearing up system preference on update
03:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #298: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/298/
03:30 Amit_Gupta good morning koha ;)
03:30 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;)
03:00 jenkins_koha Starting build 298 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6050 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , GetItemsInfo ignores second parameter
03:00 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6050 Followup, edit a last function call
03:00 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6050 Make calls to GetItemsInfo consistent
03:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #297: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/297/
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6497 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC Detail page with XSLT turned off
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Z3950 search on OCLC pulls in items (tag 952)
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5653 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , default new label layout and sample data have broken call number placeholder
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6353 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6355 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Late orders report shows cancelled orders
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6357 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Items (un)availability not displayed correctly (OPAC)
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6363 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , The "Item Location" selectbox in inventory.pl doesn't appear when the default MARC framework is the only one avaiable.
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6375 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Markup and style corrections for overdue report
02:23 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6497: MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC detail page with XSLT off
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6377 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , fines should be red on patron search
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6402 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Lists sorted by year appear to be empty
02:23 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.01.001
02:23 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: 5860 Fixing stocknumber index
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6409 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , pagination bar for guided report output does not work if report has parameters
02:23 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 5684 : Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition.
02:23 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6388 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Broken pager images in branch_transfer_limits.tt
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6459 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Needless call to C4::Context->dbh in C4::Templates::themelanguage()
02:23 jenkins_koha * gmcharlt: bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts
02:23 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG4319 waiting items cannot be reserved
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6462 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authority type is not displayed in OPAC
02:23 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6353: Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference removed
02:23 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6355: Correct GetLateOrders so it ignores cancelled orders
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6463 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authorities browsing error when using auth. plugins
02:23 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6357 : Displaying the unavailability of items corrected
02:23 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6363 : Make the "Item Location" selectbox appears correctly in inventory.pl
02:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6487 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , No error explanation if patron expiration date is missing
02:23 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6375, Markup and style corrections for overdue report
02:23 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6377 - fines should be red on patron search
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6491 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, NEW , Add Div in privacy page
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6464 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Add inconsistence check for '%s' count in tmpl_process3.pl
02:22 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG6389 Administration menu like Tools menu
02:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6402, Lists sorted by year appear to be empty
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6472 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , HidePatronName no longer works as stated
02:22 jenkins_koha * gmcharlt: bug 6409: fix pagination of SQL report output when parameters are used
02:22 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6433: exception handling
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields
02:22 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG 6388 Broken pager images in branch_transfer_limits.tt
02:22 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 6459 : Needless call to C4::Context->dbh in C4::Templates::themelanguage()
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5268 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Language Issue: Debarred
02:22 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6462 - Authority type is not displayed in OPAC
02:22 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6463 - Authorities browsing error when using auth. plugins
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6446 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , batch item deletion interface problems
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6444 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problems with vendor names in subscription-add.pl
02:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6487 - No error explanation if patron expiration date is missing
02:22 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Remove a typo from serials-edit template
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
02:22 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 6491 Added: id in opac-privacy around the privacy policy div container Testing: An ID should appear in the container for the privacy rules saying userprivacy
02:22 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6464 Check inconsistent placeholders in translated strings
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view
02:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need
02:22 jenkins_koha * koha: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6442 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , opacnav pref explained wrong
02:22 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken
02:22 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG6067 When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6397 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Mis-named variable in .TT causes table cell shift
02:22 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 5868 follow-up: missing subfields in subject index
02:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 5268: Change all occurances of 'debar' to 'restrict'
02:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6446, batch item deletion interface problems
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5714 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets
02:22 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6444 Corrects encoding problems in subscription-add.pl
02:22 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
02:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6337 - Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view
02:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: bug 6442 change opacnav wording so it's more accurate
02:22 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 6397: fix variable name in template that mis-aligns table
02:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Use branch admin email for advance_notice.pl emails
02:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5714 - Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets
02:22 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 5929: use branch admin email for advance_notice.pl emails
02:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #6: SUCCESS in 1 h 10 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/6/
02:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6061: clearing up system preference on update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a11bf74df9d24fc7ded0ac45df1058804a0d14ca> / Bug 6050 Followup, edit a last function call <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b8f1318e0f01c8c9fe7d4c1c31647db3f570ea9> / Bug 6050 Make calls to GetItemsInfo consistent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a
02:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 297 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5653 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , default new label layout and sample data have broken call number placeholder
01:59 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data
01:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
01:59 jenkins_koha * gmcharlt: bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts
01:59 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
01:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #30: SUCCESS in 1 h 2 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/30/
01:30 BobB Catch you tomorrow.
01:29 BobB Hmm, maybe early then. Otherwise late. :)
01:24 mtj so tomrow morn will prolly work out better
01:24 mtj im heading over to a friends for tea, later tonight
01:21 BobB I'll buzz you after dinner, maybe. Cheers.
01:18 BobB I've got time this evening if it suits you. What time (NZ) will you be around?
01:17 mtj or any otehr time this week
01:17 BobB OK. I want to have a chat about our cava stuff. But it doesn't have to be now.
01:17 mtj i can catch-up when i get home - if you are about then?
01:16 mtj im about, but busy with a 3m-unit at kapiti today
01:16 BobB Hi Mason
01:16 mtj heya BobB
01:15 BobB mtj: about?
01:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c4471f7aad189b11be56e366ab211bd88335e8a> / bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef5ea26668acd3e071253f19888533f5883fba46>
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00:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b49f446671676688b9f1a3d45cb4d1363a84a647>
00:00 slef qwertytis is http://www.dilbert.com/fast/1997-01-11/