Time Nick Message 00:36 rangi heya pianohacker 02:03 rangi bon hour hdl 02:03 hdl hi rangi 02:03 wizzyrea hi hdl :) 02:04 hdl hi wizzyrea and all 02:04 rangi is there a way to say 02:05 rangi bon its too early to be awake time ;-) 02:07 chris_n heya hdl, wizzrea 02:07 chris_n and atz, even 02:08 chris_n ok, time for shuteye 02:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 284 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4cf1046816d86200f1d55030b9bb28684059563d> 03:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #284: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/284/ 03:10 jenkins_koha Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken 03:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6472 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , HidePatronName no longer works as stated 03:41 rangi hmmm 03:41 rangi self check module for koha that works without a cardnumber 03:41 rangi how the heck would you do that 03:44 chilts magic? 03:44 * chilts helps 03:44 rangi heh 03:45 rangi i know how to do it for the special case, the library that wants it, use private certs to authenticate to koha 03:45 rangi so it knows who they are already, if they are using their own machine 03:46 rangi but on a machine anyone can use, i guess would have to resort to email address or something else unique 03:46 rangi bored cait 04:00 * cait waves 04:00 rangi heya cait 04:01 cait evening rangi 04:09 eythian Hi cait 04:09 cait germs? 04:10 cait hm only checking 04:10 cait hi eythian ;) 04:10 eythian wahanui: germs? 04:10 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian 04:10 eythian hmm 04:10 eythian someone's been bad to the poor bot 04:11 * cait looks at eythian 04:12 eythian Hmm, it looks like you were involved. 04:14 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6482] koha-create makes assumptions about the mysql username <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6482> 04:14 cait didn't make him forget 04:14 Oak \o 04:14 cait hi Oak :) 04:14 eythian cait: that's not what I said :) 04:14 Oak hello cait, :) up early 04:18 rangi cait: did you see the email from beda? 04:18 cait writing him back in german right now 04:18 cait perhaps syntax problems in the po files? 04:18 rangi thank you 04:18 rangi if you figure it out, please be sure to mail the list so others dont run into it too 04:18 rangi cait++ 04:19 cait can't do a lot from here 04:19 rangi *nod* 04:19 eythian guess you need a trip to Switzerland then :) 04:19 cait suggesting that he downloads new files from pootle 04:19 eythian actually, no. I'll go instead :) 04:19 Amit_Gupta heya chris 04:19 cait and if that does not help checking the files with poedit for errors 04:19 Amit_Gupta heya cait ;) 04:19 Amit_Gupta good morning 04:19 cait hi Amit_Gupta 04:19 Oak cait++ 04:19 rangi yep 04:20 cait eythian: there is a swiss company here handing out chocolate in form of swiss knives 04:20 cait yum :) 04:20 eythian I don't know if you could bring that back here. a) chocolate, b) knives :) 04:23 cait ah, chocolate was easy 04:23 eythian yeah, it would be :) 04:33 druthb o/ 04:33 rangi hey there birthday girl 04:33 druthb :D 04:33 druthb Hi, rangi. :) 04:34 cait happy birthday ruth! 04:34 Space_Librarian Hey hey, Happy Birthday! 04:35 Oak Happy Birthday druthb ! may you have many more... 04:36 druthb :) Thanks friends. 04:36 Oak family! sort of. 04:46 cait Oak++ 04:47 * druthb blushes a lil. 04:57 rangi hometime 04:57 * cait starts humming happy birthday 04:57 rangi bbl 04:58 * Oak notes 8 June as druthb's birthday 05:00 Oak mine is 21st March so you guys better remember that, okay. 05:06 cait hehe 05:06 cait 2nd march 05:11 Oak_ uh oh, electricity was out for few minutes 05:11 cait rangi: beda wrote back, he fixed some problems in the po file - probably that was the problem 05:11 Oak_ cait, :) yours I don't have to note... I think I'll remember that :) 05:12 cait someone you know has the same date? 05:12 Oak_ nope. 05:12 Oak_ i mean now you have. 05:15 Oak only digit 1 is missing. that's how I'll remember. anyway. probably does not make sense. back to work. 05:16 cait ah 05:16 cait I thin I understand :) 05:16 * cait is bad at rmembering numbers 05:16 Oak okay. :) 05:33 cait but I have a calendar :) 05:34 Ropuch^ Morning #koha 05:34 cait ok, breakfast time 05:34 Oak have a good one 05:34 Oak morning Ropuch^ 05:34 Oak and circle that date on calendar 05:41 Ropuch^ Hello Oak 05:43 Oak :) 05:51 Amit_Gupta heya Ropuch, Oak ;) 05:51 Oak Hello Amit_Gupta :) 06:09 francharb hello 06:09 wahanui salut, francharb 06:20 alex_a hello #koha 06:20 reiveune hello 06:20 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:43 cait Oak: date is circled ;) 06:43 Oak danke :) 06:44 cait now learning German too? :) 06:44 cait hi Irma :) 06:44 Oak nah, I attended a few classes some years ago... still remember few words 06:45 cait you are in good company - lots of people on #koha tried to learn or learned German 06:45 cait I think it's crazy :) 06:46 Oak :) hehe 06:47 alex_a cait it's possible to learn German ? 06:47 alex_a :p 06:47 cait I wouldn't think so 06:47 alex_a ;) 06:47 cait but some people manage it seems 06:47 Oak well, i don't blame them, when there are cool people like you. I mean I could learn French just because Audrey Tautou speaks it... 06:48 Oak in case we happen to meet... me and Audrey. who knows. 06:48 Oak ;) 06:48 cait :) 06:50 clrh hi 06:50 wahanui salut, clrh 06:51 cait hi clrh 06:51 julian hello 06:51 wahanui hello, julian 06:51 clrh :) 06:51 cait hi julian 06:51 julian hi wahanui, cait 06:51 Oak WhÄnau :) 06:57 cait hi matts 06:58 cait all biblibre here now? :) 06:58 alex_a cait: nope 06:58 alex_a paul_p, hdl are not here 06:59 cait oh 07:00 matts hi cait 07:00 alex_a ouch, tensed discusion about Koha and Liblime-koha on koha-devel ! 07:00 matts hi #koha 07:00 rangi hi europe :) 07:01 rangi alex_a: I hope owens email has stopped it 07:03 alex_a that seems to be the case 07:04 rangi well usa is asleep I just hope it doesn't start again 07:04 rangi in other news 07:05 rangi who ate a pain aux raisin today? 07:05 rangi (did I spell it right) 07:06 cait rosinenbrötchen? 07:06 alex_a rangi: right. A pain aux raisins 07:06 alex_a not me 07:07 alex_a I was hoping someone brings 07:07 rangi :) 07:07 cait me neither, although they have them at the hotel here I think 07:13 rangi there is one french bakery near me, I will have to visit them tomorrow 07:15 eythian gar, never control-c a git checkout, git gets all spazzy 07:17 christophe_c hello everybody 07:20 cait hi christophe_c 07:21 Oak heya christophe_c 07:23 christophe_c hi, cait, Oak 07:24 Oak :) 07:25 cait :) 07:29 paul_p hello world 07:30 paul_p well, the bakery close to biblibre office is ... closed today. So no pain au chocolat or croissant today... 07:30 rangi Hi paul 07:30 paul_p today start as a bad day ;-) 07:30 rangi Hehe 08:10 magnuse kia ora #koha 08:12 alex_a hi magnuse 08:12 magnuse bonjour alex_a 08:13 * magnuse is getting set up at the cottage office 08:15 eythian Oh goody. Merging two catalogues into one, and they have conflicting barcodes. This'll be fun. 08:16 magnuse yay! 08:29 Brooke kia ora 08:29 Oak Haere Mai, Brooke :) WhÄnau 08:29 Brooke :) 08:31 magnuse o/ 08:46 ankuratt hii 08:46 ankuratt i want to install the koha at my institute's library 08:46 ankuratt how to start with the process 08:49 magnuse that's a big question ankuratt ;-) 08:49 magnuse guess you need some hardware first of all 08:51 Brooke institute size and type would be helpful to know, too :) 08:56 ankuratt institute size 5000 students 08:56 ankuratt educational engineering college 08:57 ankuratt library - 30,000 books 08:58 Brooke that's not so large as to be cumbersome at all 08:58 Brooke I daresay that might well fit most folks' definition of small 08:58 Brooke what's the circulation like? 08:59 ankuratt presently the circulation is manual 08:59 Brooke aye 08:59 Brooke but how often are things issued? 09:00 ankuratt 30 books per hour 09:00 Brooke (though I can safely say any automation is a vast improvement over manual issuing :D) 09:00 Brooke (keep the back of the book cards, though. You'll thank me later, most like.) 09:01 ankuratt i have installed koha successfully 09:01 ankuratt and i know how to add patrons and circulation and stuff 09:01 ankuratt how to start wid the data entry in catalog 09:01 ankuratt ? 09:02 * Brooke cracks ye olde knuckles. 09:03 * Oak wars a helmet 09:03 Oak crap 09:03 Brooke I presume that you're starting with nothing 09:03 Oak killed it 09:03 Brooke what version of Koha did you install? 09:04 ankuratt 3.4.1 09:04 Brooke outstanding 09:04 Brooke ever heard of MARCedit? 09:04 ankuratt no :( 09:05 Brooke http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php 09:05 Brooke if you're dealing with stuff with ISBNs, that'll help you pull em relatively quickly 09:05 Brooke that'll also help you mess with the records outside of Koha 09:05 Brooke it is easy enough to use even I can manage. 09:07 ankuratt hmmm i m geeting some hints now 09:08 ankuratt MARCedit is the way to insert the bibliographic data into the koha database . m i rite ?? 09:08 Brooke MARCedit is a bibliographic tool 09:08 ankuratt ok 09:08 Brooke in theory you could use z39.50 straight from koha 09:08 Brooke but you're dealing with a whole bunch of records 09:09 Brooke and I'm guessing you don't actually have anything to feed to koha's bulkmarcimport tool just yet 09:12 ankuratt where do we find koha's bulkmarcimport tool 09:12 ankuratt ? 09:13 Brooke there's a command line 09:14 Brooke and there are also more tools at the staff client > tools 09:16 ankuratt thanks a lot :) 09:16 Brooke no problem 09:16 Brooke folks that know far more than me will be on eventually 09:17 Brooke I haven't done a bulkimport since 3.0ish or possibly 3.2 09:17 Brooke definitely not 3.4 09:17 Oak things change? 09:17 Brooke but it's not like MARCedit cares if it's dealing with 10k records or 30k. 09:17 magnuse and there is always the manual, especially... 09:17 Brooke well options that you tick change 09:17 magnuse Chapter 5. Cataloging http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c8749 09:19 magnuse the stuff about Z39.50 search/copy cataloging: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=c8749#addbibrec 09:19 Brooke wee bit dated and writ by an ijiot 09:19 Brooke http://www.pakban.net/brooke/tut/rev.html 09:19 Brooke but that's for single records 09:19 Oak very funny though :) 09:19 Brooke which unless you're me 09:19 Brooke you prolly don't want to wrangle with 09:20 magnuse Chapter 2.9. Stage MARC Records for Import: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x6393 (for records that were created with e.g. marcedit) 09:20 Brooke I'm a perfectionist 09:20 Brooke so I just copy catalogued everything by hand and eyeballed each record 09:20 Brooke much better quality 09:20 Brooke but I think even I'd tear me hair out at the 30k mark. 09:25 ankuratt my IRC windows closed 09:25 ankuratt can i see the channel history 09:25 ankuratt i want the chat log 09:27 ankuratt plz help me how can i view the recent chaty 09:27 ankuratt chats 09:27 magnuse ankuratt: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-06-08 09:29 ankuratt thanks 09:44 Brooke woot 09:44 Brooke book festival is two days now :D 09:44 Brooke http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2011/11-108.html 09:45 Oak :) 09:47 Oak time to get ready for class 09:47 Oak later 10:04 magnuse @wunder boo 10:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (11:50 AM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 10:05 magnuse hm, +21C in my exact location, akshuly 10:06 rangi @wunder wellington nz 10:06 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 10:07 rangi you win this time 10:11 magnuse woohoo ;-) 10:12 magnuse @wunder marseille 10:12 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 10:12 magnuse the forecast for tomorrow says +28C and almost no wind... 10:13 druthb @seen Brooke 10:13 huginn` druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 28 minutes and 22 seconds ago: <Brooke> http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2011/11-108.html 10:16 paul_p 'morning druthb 10:17 magnuse o/ 10:17 rangi http://www.theopensourceway.org/book/The_Open_Source_Way-What_your_business_does_wrong_when_practicing_the_open_source_way.html 10:18 magnuse "ignoring community fundamentals", eh? ;-) 10:18 rangi :) 10:18 rangi the whole book is a good read 10:19 rangi but that chapter was very deja vu 10:26 * magnuse downloads the .epub 11:55 magnuse @wunder boo 11:55 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0�C (1:50 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 11:55 magnuse @wunder fauske, norway 11:55 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in FAUSKE, ved smabathavna., 8200 FAUSKE, Norway is 23.7�C (2:00 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). 11:56 magnuse yeah, that's more like it 11:56 oleonard @wunder 45701 11:56 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 20.0�C (7:55 AM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:56 magnuse tee hee 11:58 * oleonard is frightened that it could be so warm so far north 11:58 magnuse yeah, it is a bit unusual, but not completely unheard of 11:58 magnuse thanks to the "gulf current" 11:59 magnuse gulf stream, sorry 11:59 oleonard We have had a lot of heat over here to send your way. 11:59 * magnuse is grateful 12:02 nengard @wunder 19030 12:02 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 24.1�C (8:03 AM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect from noon today to 8 PM EDT Thursday... 12:02 nengard Yuh huh ... got you all topped 12:02 nengard :( 12:03 nengard supposed to be over 100 tomorrow!!! 12:03 * oleonard doesn't want to win that contest 12:03 nengard hence my :( 12:03 nengard i don't want to win either 12:03 nengard if i wanted this type of weather i would move to texas or florida 12:03 Agent_Dani I'll stop complaining about the mid-90s here now. 12:05 magnuse nengard: you can send it my way, but in small portions, not all at once ;-) 12:05 nengard hehe 12:05 oleonard Seen this morning on a tech librarians list: "Free to good home: Install disks. IBM OS/2, v. 2.1 on 7.5" floppy." 12:05 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', oleonard 12:05 nengard OMG 12:05 magnuse yay! 12:10 nengard hey, after doing a fetch this AM I can't seem to get my system preferences to load up without getting script errors ... is it just me, or are others having this issue 12:10 nengard FF has been pissing me off lately - so it could be me 12:11 nengard it was the highligh script when searching preferences if others want to test it out 12:13 oleonard nengard: I'm not getting js errors in FF 4 or FF3.x on my PC 12:14 nengard k 12:14 nengard good to know 12:17 oleonard Bug 6483 is an interesting development 12:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search 12:18 oleonard And from a new contributor? 12:19 oleonard Makes for some damn ugly urls. I wonder if that could be handled in a different way. 12:24 magnuse it's a cool feature! 12:24 oleonard It's one that Koha has lacked in comparison to other ILSes. 12:31 magnuse hm, i can't seem to find the links for getting to the next record? 12:31 oleonard all the way at the bottom 12:32 magnuse hm, nope... 12:33 magnuse might be hidden by the language chooser? 12:33 oleonard Not for me, I see both. 12:34 magnuse nope, more like hidden by my stupidity in not testing with english 12:35 magnuse or re-generating the templates to test in norwegian... 12:36 magnuse ooh yes, this is a cool feature, but it feels like the layout/display could do with some more work 12:37 oleonard Yeah, I'm wondering if the links couldn't go into the right-hand sidebar box 12:37 magnuse oleonard, do you see previous, next and ... as a bulleted list? 12:37 oleonard Someone else was doing some work on something similar, a return to search results link I think? 12:37 oleonard magnuse: No, but there were CSS changes to affect that. You might have to shift-reload. 12:38 magnuse ah, yes, thanks - much better now ;-) 12:38 oleonard Bug 6120 12:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6120 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Add search links in detail pages 12:40 oleonard that enhancement remembers the search as part of a session cookie. 12:41 magnuse and it's just the "back to results" link, right? 12:41 oleonard Yes 12:41 magnuse cool 12:42 magnuse so it might be possible to save the busc thingy in a cookie/session instead of the url? 12:42 oleonard That's what I wondered 12:43 magnuse in the bug he says "to avoid storing it in the session" - not sure it should be avoided? 12:44 oleonard I don't know either way, it's outside the scope of my knowledge. 12:44 magnuse yeah, mine too 12:45 magnuse let's comment on the bug and ask! 12:47 oleonard Preposterous. 12:59 magnuse done 13:16 oleonard Thanks magnuse 13:18 magnuse my pleasure! 13:19 nengard magnuse and oleonard did either of you test the RSS feed and Zotero on pages other than the first? 13:19 nengard wondering if the URL is changing if those still work 13:26 magnuse nengard: nope, sorry 13:26 nengard something we should test ... got a meeting soon so i can't play with that patch yet 13:35 magnuse doesn't seem to affect rss, at least 13:37 chris_n g'morning 13:38 wizzyrea mornin chris_n 13:42 oleonard We need an FAQ item about installing on Windows. 13:42 oleonard I'm leaning towards saying "You can't." and keeping it simple. 13:43 atz or rather "Don't bother" 13:44 atz "Use VirtualBox" 13:48 oleonard I also think we need to start closing comments on old posts 13:49 wizzyrea k 13:50 oleonard Just my opinion. But I think it would discourage random out of context support questions 13:52 wizzyrea well I'm of a mind to turn off comments on all pages 13:52 wizzyrea and only allow them on posts 13:54 magnuse sounds good to me 13:57 paul_p sonds good to me too ! 14:07 wizzyrea fortunately wp makes this process pretty painless :P 14:21 wizzyrea aight, comments are closed after 30 days on all posts, comments have been cleaned up (I still have them, they're just not displaying) 14:22 magnuse wizzyrea++ 14:22 wizzyrea new pages will not allow comments 14:22 wizzyrea rather, pages will not allow comments 14:23 magnuse yay! now if we could only get email validation on the wiki working again too... 14:23 wizzyrea yea, that would be cool too 14:24 magnuse or rather get new registrations working, whichever way 14:37 * oleonard hears wizzyrea is keeping all the comments for herself 14:38 wizzyrea they're MINE 14:38 wizzyrea ALL MINE 14:38 * wizzyrea laughs evilly 14:45 wizzyrea hmm, do you think I can truncate the sticky post at the top of the site to just after the "about koha" bit? 14:46 wizzyrea has it been enough time, do we need to say why the site has been established at the new domain anymore? 14:46 oleonard I vote yes to truncating 14:47 magnuse me too 14:47 magnuse it would be good if some actual news showed up above the fold 14:48 wizzyrea ok, the content regarding the creation of the site is still there, it's just hidden under <more> 14:51 adnc hello 14:53 magnuse wizzyrea, could we consider getting rid of "About Koha" (just the heading) too, to save some more space? (i'm on a 13 inch laptop...) 14:54 magnuse guten tag adnc 14:54 wizzyrea I would entertain that, yes 14:54 wizzyrea it serves a purpose for search engines 14:55 wizzyrea which by the way, if anyone has particular fu in gam^h^h teaching search engines that your webiste is more awesome than *cough* another certain website I'd be happy to talk to you on how we could improve it 14:55 wizzyrea afk just a minute 14:55 magnuse ah, hadn't thought about that... 14:58 adnc guten tag magnuse 14:58 wizzyrea let me see if I can make it so that the style of that doesn't take up so much space 15:26 reiveune bye 16:15 wizzyrea hi hdl :) 16:15 * cait_dbt waves 16:15 cait hi all 16:18 Agent_Dani Hi cait 16:18 cait hi Agent_Dani 16:23 hdl hi wizzyrea 16:58 NCARMichael Hey People 16:59 NCARMichael Is Galen around today? 16:59 oleonard gmcharlt? 16:59 wahanui hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 17:04 NCARMichael yes, i have commands for him. i need to command him to do some things. 17:20 debrob hi 17:20 wahanui que tal, debrob 17:20 debrob que tal wahanui 17:20 wahanui salut, debrob 17:21 debrob alguien me puede ayudar como configurar instancias de koha 3.2 en debian zqueed 17:22 magnuse oops 17:25 magnuse debrob: wahanui is just an overly eager bot... 17:25 magnuse ...and i think you are better off asking your questions in english ;-) 17:44 debrob ok 17:48 debrob help for configure more of 2 instances on koha 3.2, i haveon debian 6 and configured one instance whit koha-create 18:09 magnuse debrob: sorry, was away for a bit 18:09 magnuse if you installed koha-common you can execute koha-create as many times as you want to create more instances of koha 18:24 conan hi #koha 18:26 rhcl_away hi conan 18:29 debrob magnuse: i have koha-common and installs an instance pruebas, but i needto create a new instance koha-create production, that serious production my instance default 18:34 conan magnuse: should I continue adding stuff to bug 6481 or keep with the previous you marked as duplicate? 18:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 enhancement, P5, ---, frederic, NEW , Koha doesn't have a way to set a preferred language from system 18:35 magnuse the previous one is now closed as a duplicate - stick to 6481 18:36 magnuse sorry debrob, not sure i understand your question... you can empty the database of your test install and start over, or create a new "instance" with koha-create, and disable/remove the test 18:39 conan debrob: I also cannot understand your question, would you feel more comfortably writing in spanish? 18:43 debrob conan: of course, you understand spanish? 18:46 conan debrob: yup 18:46 conan debrob: digo, sà :) 18:49 debrob conan: que mejor :) 18:49 debrob conan: mira 18:59 library_guy hey guys 18:59 rhcl_away hi lg 19:00 library_guy I'm sitting up here with our circ librarian and she has some questions that I was hoping you guys could help me answer 19:00 library_guy since im just the systems guy ;) 19:00 wizzyrea we'll try 19:00 library_guy thatks wizzyrea 19:01 library_guy ok for starters, she wants to know how easy it is to add different payment types in the pay fines section 19:01 library_guy as it looks now its just paid, unpaid, and writeoff 19:01 nengard library_guy, those are the only options as of now, but you can choose types to add to the manual credit section 19:01 wizzyrea those are hard coded (I think) but ^^ what she said 19:02 nengard sorry :) 19:02 wizzyrea all good : 19:02 wizzyrea :) 19:02 library_guy nengard, the manual credit section? 19:02 library_guy is that a setting or a page? 19:02 wizzyrea it's a tab in the fines 19:03 wizzyrea "make manual payment" 19:03 wizzyrea or somesuch 19:03 library_guy margo is out today so i don't have anybodyto dump my stupid questions on lol 19:03 library_guy ahh ok thanks wizzyrea 19:03 nengard when looking at a patron's FINE tab you have 4 tabs across the top 19:03 nengard account, pay, manual credit, manual invoice 19:03 nengard or something like that 19:03 library_guy right i see that 19:04 nengard the types in the pull down there 19:04 nengard you can add to that list by going to Admin > Authorized values 19:04 nengard MANUAL_INV 19:05 nengard and add in more values 19:05 library_guy ahh ok 19:05 wizzyrea so in light of that, to add more values - it's easy 19:05 library_guy ill let her know...*smh* 19:05 wizzyrea (if you use manual) 19:05 library_guy rihgt you can just hardcode more in right? 19:05 nengard not to the pay fines page you can't ... but if you do it all as manual invoices you can add to that pull down menu 19:06 library_guy ok thanks nengard 19:06 nengard wait ... wizzyrea ... am I right? 19:06 nengard MANUAL_INV is for manual invoice ... what do we use for credits? 19:06 wizzyrea urm 19:06 nengard yeah .... 19:06 wizzyrea sec 19:07 nengard library_guy wait ... don't tell her that yet 19:07 wizzyrea well 19:07 wizzyrea no, that doesn't work, it works for invoices 19:07 wizzyrea but not for credits 19:07 wizzyrea you get "credit type" 19:08 wizzyrea but you get to put in whatever description, note, and amount you want 19:08 wizzyrea what's the problem she's trying to solve 19:08 wizzyrea ? 19:09 wizzyrea library_guy 19:11 library_guy yes 19:11 library_guy sorry 19:11 wizzyrea sok :) 19:11 library_guy lots of talking going on 19:11 wizzyrea all good 19:11 * library_guy spins in confustion 19:11 library_guy ok 19:12 library_guy she just didn't want to type the note in the pay fines tab 19:12 wizzyrea ah 19:12 wizzyrea in that case 19:12 wizzyrea the answer is "they are hard coded, and would require coding to add more" 19:12 wizzyrea now, that said 19:12 wizzyrea idk what eythian's accounts rewrite looks like 19:13 wizzyrea it may be better in (most) that regard 19:13 wizzyrea (s) 19:13 library_guy ahh i see 19:18 wizzyrea so, anybody else want to be able to search patrons by email 19:18 oleonard I want a full advanced search on any patron field. 19:18 wizzyrea there we go. 19:19 oleonard Oh I know, we could just say that would be too hard and put an SQL input on the patrons screen 19:19 wizzyrea heh 19:26 magnuse bon soir (or something like that) hdl & paul_p 19:35 rangi morning 19:35 rhcl_away afternoon 19:37 rangi @wunder wellington nz 19:37 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on June 09, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 19:37 druthb @wunder 20852 19:37 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 33.5�C (3:42 PM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... 19:37 druthb lordy. no wonder. 19:37 rangi more like 3 19:37 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 19:37 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 35.0�C (2:42 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). 19:37 rangi brrrr 19:37 wizzyrea HA 19:38 rangi hurry up bus 19:38 wizzyrea brrr 19:41 moodaepo @wunder 56001 19:41 huginn` moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 23.1�C (2:45 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). 19:42 talljoy wunder 76109 19:42 talljoy dang 19:42 talljoy @wunder 76109 19:42 huginn` talljoy: The current temperature in Palomino Estates, Benbrook, Texas is 33.4�C (2:47 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady). 19:43 talljoy Wow...hotter in Kansas than in Texas???? 19:43 wizzyrea oh you know it's bad when you've got texas beat 19:43 talljoy what is the world coming to? 19:43 nengard @wunder 19030 19:43 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 35.3�C (3:34 PM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday... 19:43 ibeardslee those places are just too hot 19:43 rangi talljoy: are u near dfw? 19:43 nengard hotter in PA than TX 19:43 wizzyrea oooo nicole wins 19:43 talljoy I am ALL OVER dfs 19:43 talljoy dang 19:43 talljoy dfw 19:43 rangi hehe 19:43 talljoy i live in Fort Worth, work in Addison. I travel from one side to the other 19:43 nengard i have the AC and two fans on 19:43 nengard scared to open the door and let the pups out 19:44 wizzyrea it's actually, for that hot, not so bad here 19:44 rangi plano is the only place in Texas I've been to 19:44 talljoy I'm in Addison today. Close to Plano 19:44 talljoy @wunder 75244 19:44 nengard i've been all over TX - lots of Koha libraries in TX :) 19:44 huginn` talljoy: The current temperature in Dallas, Texas is 34.8�C (2:39 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling). 19:45 talljoy Yes, there are. 19:45 talljoy Hopefully, when I'm through there will be LOTS more. 19:45 rangi now I want another of those crazy deepfried avacodoes 19:45 wizzyrea lol 19:45 talljoy yum 19:46 wizzyrea that did look yummy 19:46 talljoy taste yummy 19:46 wizzyrea cheese stuffed, iirc 19:46 rangi yep 19:46 * talljoy wipes drool 19:46 ibeardslee ohhhh 19:46 * talljoy considering where I can stop for beer and fried avocado between 75244 and 76109 19:46 rangi lol 19:47 rangi its Texas 19:47 rangi everywhere! ! 19:47 wizzyrea do you drive through plano on that tollway? 19:47 wizzyrea cuz the place we went to had both :p 19:47 wizzyrea beer AND fried avocados 19:47 talljoy I take the Tollway and the highway, and the backroads. 19:47 talljoy yes....i refuse to call it by name though (the tollway, that is) 19:48 wizzyrea ...is it uh, named after a shrubbery? 19:48 talljoy http://www.ntta.org/AboutUs/Roadways/PresidentGeorgeBushTurnpike.htm 19:48 wizzyrea ah so it is 19:48 talljoy I call it that road 19:48 wizzyrea you should call it "shrub row" 19:48 wizzyrea or something 19:48 rangi I remember like a dumbarse nzer I tried to walk in plano 19:48 talljoy LOL 19:48 talljoy ain't no walkin in Plano 19:49 rangi I learnt :) 19:49 wizzyrea < tried too, don't feel bad 19:49 talljoy I'm in the "Fort" (Fort Worth), a bit more walkable in my 'hood. 19:49 rangi ahh cool 19:49 rangi hmm where is bg 19:49 wahanui i guess bg is the awesomest boss....no, really, I mean it. 19:50 rangi im trying to member what baseball team we watched 19:50 talljoy in Texas? 19:50 wizzyrea was it the rangers? 19:50 rangi frisco something 19:50 talljoy yes 19:50 talljoy Well, in Arlington, there is the Texas Rangers. (Major League Team) 19:50 talljoy dunno about Frisco 19:50 rangi wasn't major league 19:51 talljoy minor league I spose 19:51 rangi was aaa or somethink 19:51 wizzyrea oh the rough riders 19:51 wizzyrea frisco rough riders? 19:51 talljoy yup 19:51 rangi was fun, my first game 19:51 rangi yes!! 19:51 * wizzyrea only knows how to use google 19:51 rangi heh 19:51 talljoy Baseball is fun....lots of beer, but no fried avocado 19:51 wizzyrea though we have a AAA team in KC, the TBones 19:51 wizzyrea and those games are fun 19:51 rangi hot dogs tho 19:51 wizzyrea cheap too, 11 bucks for a ticket 19:51 wizzyrea like, a front row ticket 19:51 * talljoy shudders at the thought of processed meat in a tube 19:52 rangi and brendan explaining the rules to an nzer and 2 frenchmen 19:52 talljoy i would have loved to have been there! 19:52 rangi oh and owen too 19:52 wizzyrea the question is: did owen know the rules? 19:52 rangi more than me 19:53 rangi :) 19:53 wizzyrea i went to a game a year ago, and even I was like ... uh, what's going on again? 19:53 wizzyrea it'd been so long 19:53 talljoy Last time i went, I kept asking about touchdowns. 19:53 wizzyrea rofl 19:53 * talljoy not a sport fan 19:53 rangi I've been to hockey, baseball and football 19:53 rangi have to go to a basketball game 19:53 library_guy do you guys know how I'd hide a book in the opac if it was out for repair 19:54 rangi as a tourist its fun to go to sports things 19:54 talljoy yes 19:54 library_guy is it a setting that im missing? 19:54 wizzyrea library_guy: there's a setting "opacHiddenItems" 19:54 wizzyrea but i'm not totally certain it's working 19:54 rangi library_guy: opacsuppression thing too 19:54 library_guy oh...so do i just add the barcode there? 19:55 talljoy wasn't there something in the user listserv about this? 19:55 library_guy i think so 19:55 talljoy just recently? sounds familiar 19:55 library_guy thats where my circ librarian saw it 19:55 rangi yep linda had it working 19:55 talljoy ah 19:55 talljoy nengard was researching for the manual, I believe 19:55 rangi what version u running? 19:55 nengard yeah i put it in the manual but i haven't gotten it working on my system .... 19:56 nengard not sure what's up with that 19:56 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "opachiddenitems.txt" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/79 19:56 wizzyrea fwiw, nengard, it doesn't work for us either 19:56 rangi there is the opacsuppression thing too eh? 19:56 talljoy http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/25225/match=hidden+opac 19:56 wizzyrea following exactly that 19:56 rangi where u can suppress individual items 19:56 wizzyrea bibs, I think 19:57 rangi diff to hidden 19:57 library_guy ok rangi 19:57 wizzyrea is what opacsuppression 19:57 wizzyrea odes 19:57 wizzyrea does 19:57 rangi ahh 19:57 wizzyrea bib level suppress 19:57 nengard hmmm 19:57 wizzyrea (that's what 'they' told us anyway, it might not be right_ 19:57 wizzyrea ) 19:59 rangi I dunno so much stuff flies by me, its all a blur 19:59 magnuse @wunder fauske, norway 19:59 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in FAUSKE, ved smabathavna., 8200 FAUSKE, Norway is 19.2�C (10:03 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa. 20:00 ibeardslee that toll way name .. quite ironic that for years he tried to ride over everyone and now people drive all over him. 20:00 talljoy one way to look at it. ;-) 20:00 rangi hmm I hope someone can help mamta aurora 20:01 rangi cos she works for a kickarse school 20:03 rangi I think export marcedit import maybe? 20:04 rangi or do we have batch bib mods in 3.4.1? 20:04 rangi I know I've seen the code, can't member if its been merged 20:05 rangi ok time to go talk to my cuban friend and get a coffee 20:05 rangi bbiab 20:18 rangi back 20:20 pianohacker hello 20:21 rangi heya pianohacker 20:29 * magnuse wonders why there is both a C4::Output::themelanguage() and a C4::Templates::themelanguage(), after staring at the first one for the longest time, thinking it was the second, but not quite recognizing it... 20:34 rangi nothing should be using the one in C4/Output, you could comment it out and test, C4/Templates should be doing that instead now 20:36 library_guy another question, I know that we have an hourly loans bit coming in soon, but will it include a way to assign the book that is on loan to a faculty member? 20:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6478] purge_suggestions.pl needs an example crontab <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6478> 20:37 rangi you mean proxy borrowing? 20:37 library_guy perhaps? 20:37 rangi nope thats not in the scope of hourly circ, thats a difference rfc 20:37 rangi its on the cards though, but wont be part of the hourly circ 20:38 magnuse thanks, rangi 20:38 library_guy ok...is there a wiki page for it hat you know of? 20:38 rangi not off the top of my head 20:38 library_guy ok thanks rangi 20:39 library_guy if you think of it, I'd like to read the specs on it. The reaction that I'm getting here may require me to put come code into it 20:39 library_guy some* 20:40 rangi hi skushner 20:43 library_guy rangi do you know what other academic libraries are using for reserves in Koha by chance? 20:43 rangi nope 20:43 rangi id ask someone from bywater, or equinox or biblibre 20:43 magnuse library_guy: there's http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_Loans_RFC, but not sure how up to date it is. sekjal mau know that though 20:43 bg say hi to the CG Jung librarians in SF :) 20:43 rangi yes thats up to date magnuse 20:44 rangi but it doesnt do proxy borrowing 20:44 conan magnuse: I stared at those yesterday 20:44 magnuse hi CG Jung librarians in SF! 20:44 sekjal howdy, CG Jung librarians! 20:44 rangi thats a whole other thing 20:44 wizzyrea hi CG Jung librarians :) 20:44 rangi hourly loans work is underway you can watch the progress here 20:44 library_guy ok thanks rangi 20:44 rangi hi CG Jung librarians :) 20:44 library_guy oh yeah i think im on the cc list for hourly loans 20:45 magnuse oops. i might have got my topics confused 20:45 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=5549&hide_resolved=1 20:45 sekjal cheers, #koha! time to get some rest 20:46 magnuse oy, no rest for the wicked! 20:47 rangi bg: are you training? 20:47 bg yes rangi :) 20:48 rangi cool 20:49 pianohacker hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? 20:49 rangi ILSESESESESESES 20:49 magnuse pianohacker :headache? 20:49 rangi ILII 20:49 rangi :) 20:49 magnuse ooh, good one, rangi 20:49 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES 20:49 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #142 added. 20:50 pianohacker magnuse++ 20:53 rangi im pretty sure the CG Jung librarians will be using analytical pscyhology to profile us all 20:54 rangi meyers briggs ... that came from his research i think? 20:54 bg they are all jungi ;) 20:55 rangi 1991 .. thats when i last studied any pyschology 20:55 bg actually I think they call themselves jungians 20:57 yhager When catalouging new items, they will appear in OPAC only after indexing is done (I do it every 10 minutes). It is an annoyance to the librarian - is there a way to overcome that (apart for decreasing the time in cron) 20:58 rangi no 20:58 rangi decreasing the frequency 20:59 rangi or writing a bash script to run rebuild_zebra.pl as soon as it finishes 20:59 rangi or 20:59 rangi if you are brave 21:00 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 21:00 huginn` 04Bug 5166: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library 21:00 rangi is awaiting testing/signoff 21:00 rangi sorry awaiting qa, been signed off 21:00 rangi if you had a staging/testing server and you wanted to check using that 21:01 rangi with that, you can then run the rebuild zebra as a daemon 21:01 rangi so it updates as soon as things change 21:02 * rangi hopes that is some help 21:05 magnuse yhager: the easiest thing will be to set the frequency to 1 minute in cron (which is the minimum interval for cron) ;-) 21:06 yhager magnuse: what happens if the process takes more than one minute then? 21:06 cait hi #koha 21:07 rangi hi cait 21:07 cait hi rangi :) 21:07 yhager rangi: thanks. I am not sure my librarian can accept any issues at the moment, so although I consider myself brave in that sort of issues, I don't think it would be wise at the moment.. 21:08 rangi yhager: id lower it to 5 21:08 magnuse yhager: not sure actually, but it does not seem to be a problem... 21:08 magnuse guten abend cait 21:08 rangi then when this patch makes it into master, you can switch to the daemon if you want 21:08 cait hi magnuse :) 21:08 yhager magnuse: I would imagine that it will increase the load as more and more rebuilds are trying to run and cannot finish due to the increased load 21:09 yhager rangi: I will definitely do that. 21:09 yhager magnuse: what the heck.. maybe I'll just try instead of contemplating.. 21:09 wizzyrea can always change it back ^.^ 21:09 yhager yep.. 21:10 SteveJ Is anyone aware of any efforts by any group to create a graphical interface for geographical subject headings to tie into Koha? 21:11 rangi SteveJ: like a map? 21:11 magnuse yhager: on the other hand, the longer you wait the more records will need to be indexed once you get around to it... 21:12 magnuse has anyone seen problems because of that cron running too often? 21:12 yhager magnuse: true 21:12 SteveJ Rangi: Yes, though I am thinking of a multi-level map (so first drill down by country, then state/area, then possibly quadrangle 21:14 rangi magnuse: i have, but only when doing bulk changes 21:15 rangi having a few running works the cpu pretty hard 21:15 rangi SteveJ: cool, no one i know is doing that 21:16 SteveJ Oh well. It is going to be a nightmare to implement but it should be really useful for our users. 21:16 magnuse yhager: how big is your library? how many people are likely to be chaning records at the same time? 21:17 yhager magnuse: very small. one. 21:18 magnuse 1 minute should probably not be a problem, then ;-) 21:19 rangi SteveJ: shouldnt be too hard 21:20 rangi all you need is something that can pass some words through to the form 21:20 rangi you could probably use google maps 21:22 yhager magnuse: yep, I figure the same. Thanks. 21:34 bg @marc$h 21:34 huginn` bg: downloading the Perl source 21:34 rangi heh 21:35 bg @marc 245$h 21:35 huginn` bg: unknown tag 245$h 21:35 rangi @marc 245 21:35 huginn` rangi: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] 21:35 rangi @marc 245 h 21:35 huginn` rangi: Medium 21:35 bg @marc 245 h 21:35 huginn` bg: Medium 21:35 rangi :) 21:35 bg @marc 245 n 21:35 huginn` bg: Number of part/section of a work (Repeatable) 21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 285 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:44 cait timeto sleep 21:44 cait night all :) 21:47 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24d3e5b2577767d12b8318a7a612ec3ac14f8657> 21:48 magnuse kia ora Irma 21:48 Irma kia ora magnuse! 21:52 Irma I am getting ready for a Koha presentation in Adelaide next Tuesday evening ... 21:53 rangi excellent 21:53 magnuse yay! 21:53 Irma actually I must add the event to the Koha wiki ... 21:53 Irma and just ask for the host to update their events page 21:54 Irma http://opensa.org.au/open_sa_home.jsp?xcid=340 21:56 magnuse nice halo ;-) 21:57 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0716515336da42f604764eb37be47354be73a8b> 22:04 rhcl_away interesting eReader paper: http://www.poudrelibraries.org/about/pdf/ereader-report-2011extended.pdf 22:05 rangi Irma: you could put it on the main koha-community site 22:06 * magnuse should convince himself to go to bed even if it is still light outside - it is past midnight after all... 22:06 rangi heh yes 22:07 rhcl_away it's friday, see ya all next week 22:07 rangi i think his calendar might be busted 22:07 Agent_Dani Just a bit. 22:08 ibeardslee damn .. I was starting to look forward to BOC tonight 22:10 magnuse hey, what's one day between friends... 22:11 magnuse beer o'clock? 22:11 rangi yep 4pm friday at catalyst 22:11 rangi u'll remember it magnuse :) 22:12 magnuse yup, been there, done that ;-) 22:21 magnuse g'night #koha 22:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #285: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/285/ 22:25 jenkins_koha koha: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf 22:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 286 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #286: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/286/ 23:07 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need