Time Nick Message 00:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #282: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/282/ 00:09 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 6467: Add shelving location to checkin screen 00:09 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 5268: Change all occurances of 'debar' to 'restrict' 00:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6467 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location to checkin results screen 00:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5268 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Language Issue: Debarred 00:43 rangi pianohacker++ #another sign off 00:44 pianohacker Piece by piece. I am getting paid for it, which makes wading through other people's code a bit more pleasant :) 00:46 rangi *nod* 00:48 pianohacker1 wireless crapping out, logging out so as not spam the channel 01:20 druthb o/ 01:20 bg hi ruth 01:20 druthb hi, brendan. :) 01:21 druthb bg++ #BEST BOSS EVAR 01:21 druthb Six months now; I can speak with Authority. 01:21 rangi wb druthb 01:21 Space_Librarian druthb: sounds like an awesome boss. 01:22 bg heh heya Space_Librarian 01:22 Space_Librarian hey Brendan 01:23 druthb he is, Shelley. He insists otherwise, of course. 01:23 Space_Librarian humility is a good thing. ;) 01:24 * mtj waves 01:24 rangi heya mtj 01:25 druthb hi, mtj! :) 01:25 mtj heya, spoke to theo-soc last nite... 01:25 Space_Librarian hey mtj 01:25 rangi ah yeah, i told them to give you a call 01:26 rangi shes coming to the koha users group meeting 01:26 rangi speaking of which, you are coming right mtj? :) 01:33 mtj ah, yes - i planned too 01:33 * mtj looks at calendar 01:34 rangi sweet, you should fill in the registration form 01:34 rangi so we can get numbers for food 02:15 mtj roger, will do 02:33 hdl hi there 02:33 wahanui what's up, hdl 02:34 rangi wow, working late hdl 03:00 hdl waking up early. 03:02 rangi ahhh 03:02 rangi very early, its 4am? 03:10 hdl now it is 5 03:12 rangi ahh we are only 10 hours in front at the moment 03:26 rangi hdl: if you are awake enough :) do you know much about bug 5436? 03:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5436 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, guillaume.hatt, ASSIGNED , Extended patron attributes display improvements 03:28 hdl Well I think I know yes... 03:28 hdl since we sent that. 03:30 rangi yep, guillaume seemed to find a problem with it 03:30 rangi once its sorted i think we can sign off 5872 which would be great ;) 03:31 hdl Is there a branch I could jump to ? 03:31 Irma Hi all 03:31 rangi i can push it up on a branch if you like 03:31 rangi 2 secs 03:32 Space_Librarian Hey Irma 03:32 Irma bonjour space_librarian :-) 03:32 Space_Librarian bonjour :) 03:33 Irma Looking forward to knitting a wrap for the world soon? 03:33 Space_Librarian Indeed I am. :) 03:33 rangi ill reformat it for template toolkit and push it up for you, will take me about 20 mins, ill let you know when its ready 03:33 Irma 10 degrees in Sydney right now ... a bit chilly for us ... 03:34 Irma bring your wool jumpers 03:34 Space_Librarian O.o Heavens, that *is* chilly for Sydney. 03:34 Space_Librarian Mind you, I'm used to Canberra's dry cold. 03:34 Irma ;-) 03:34 Irma I have a quick question re Koha 3.4. 03:35 Irma NO_LIBRARY_SET (Set) | kohaadmin (Log Out) | [ ? ] 03:35 Irma I don't see the (Set) in Kopha 3.4. 03:35 Irma Is that a known bug? 03:36 Irma what I pasted at 13:39:59 comes from a Koha 3.2. installation 03:37 rangi not that im aware of 03:37 Irma ah ... thanks rangi 03:38 Irma a system preference? 03:38 wahanui a system preference is ReservesMaxPickUpDelay 03:38 Irma ah ... checking this out ... 2 seconds pls 03:39 rangi im not saying it doesnt happen, just its not known to happen ;) 03:40 Irma no sys preference for No_Library_Set 03:42 rangi have you tried logging in as a real user 03:42 rangi you should only login as kohaadmin long enough to set up a real user 03:59 rangi hdl: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/bug_5436 04:00 hdl ok thanks will test that soon 04:00 rangi cool thank you 04:00 rangi guillaime said something about it renewing a patron? but im not sure how 04:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: BUG6067 When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c78a926046f93606681e64c332f374aa2bba603e> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5868' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=700249eb3cbf765a5a731effd21ba543b74eb334> / Bug 5868 follow-up: missing subfields in subject index <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 04:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 283 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:55 francharb hi everyone 04:55 rangi hi francharb 05:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #283: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/283/ 05:24 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 5868 follow-up: missing subfields in subject index 05:24 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG6067 When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data 05:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields 06:04 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:10 rangi hi Ropuch 06:27 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:33 reiveune hello 06:33 wahanui what's up, reiveune 06:34 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:34 reiveune hi magnuse 06:38 rangi hi magnuse and reiveune 06:38 magnuse ata marie rangi 06:38 reiveune hi rangi 06:40 clrh hi 06:40 magnuse bonjour clrh 06:52 alex_a hello magnuse rangi and all 06:52 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:56 hdl hi all 06:58 magnuse bonjour hdl 07:00 julian hello #koha 07:00 magnuse bonjour julian 07:07 cait good morning from berlin! :) 07:07 cait konferenzwlan leider furchtbar langsam 07:08 Oak thank you thank you 07:08 Oak good morning to you too cait :) 07:08 cait ah, wrong window :) 07:08 cait it's too early 07:08 cait hi Oak :) 07:08 Oak good mood huh? 07:09 cait too many smileys? 07:09 Oak nah :) 07:09 Oak just enought 07:10 cait yeah, had a good breakfast and have some time 07:10 Oak enough 07:10 Oak that's good. 07:13 aaaa How to modify the login screen of koha 07:13 aaaa ? 07:13 aaaa the GUI part 07:13 cait aaaa: you can use css and jquery I think 07:13 cait intranetuserjs and intranetusercss in the sysprfs 07:13 cait but depends on what you want to do 07:16 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:16 cait hi magnuse :) 07:23 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;) 07:23 Amit_Gupta heya collum 07:30 rangi back, kids asleep 07:30 Oak peace now? 07:31 Oak :) 07:32 rangi yep 07:34 cait hi rangi 07:36 rangi heya cait 07:36 magnuse rangi++ # for signing off patches 07:36 cait rangi++ 07:36 magnuse maybe we should declare a global signing off day before summer? 07:37 rangi well thats not until october 07:37 rangi so lots of time ;) 07:37 rangi but yes 07:37 Oak rangi++ 07:37 magnuse would be good if the number was a bit lower... 07:38 rangi a global sign off days, 24 hours in whatever timezone you are in, to try and get as many signed off as possible 07:38 cait what is before october? 07:38 rangi winter cait :) 07:38 cait hmpf 07:38 cait :) 07:38 * cait is still a bit sleepy 07:38 magnuse ah, sorry for northern-hemispere-centricity rangi ;-) 07:39 rangi hehe im used to it :) 07:39 magnuse "in june" might have been better 07:39 rangi how about next friday, 17th 07:39 magnuse that would be perfect for me! 07:40 rangi ill leave it for you to propose it on the lists then ;) 07:40 magnuse hehe, thought so! 07:40 magnuse ;-) 07:40 rangi there are quite a few patches i reformatted, so cant sign off on 07:40 magnuse are there any cool ways we could visualize the work done? to make it more inspiring? 07:40 rangi i can do something 07:40 cait oh :( 07:40 rangi because i can query the db 07:40 cait travelling all day on friday 07:41 rangi and make funky graphs 07:41 cait real time would be good 07:41 cait perhaps a page on the wiki 07:42 rangi how about a realtime count 07:42 rangi that moves from red if over 50 07:42 rangi orange if under 50 over 20 07:42 magnuse yeah, we might have a page on the wiki where people can say what they are testing, so we are not all testing the same thing? 07:42 rangi and green if under 20 07:42 magnuse sounds cool! 07:42 rangi that sounds like a good idea too 07:42 rangi claim a bug 07:43 magnuse yup 07:43 Oak like... 'that's my bug, go find your own bug' 07:43 magnuse cait: you can test patches on the train! 07:43 cait yep 07:43 cait with that wobbly internet connection? :( 07:43 cait I had a hard time to stay on irc 07:44 cait downloading files and looking at twitter was too much 07:44 magnuse cait: claim a couple of bugs before you set off, download the patches and test offline 07:45 cait could try that 07:45 miguel hello all 07:45 magnuse it's possible to get graphs from bugzilla too: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/report.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cumulate=0&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&email1=&email2=&email3=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype1=substring&emailty 07:45 magnuse pe2=substring&emailtype3=substring&field0-0-0=cf_patch_status&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&longdesc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&query_format=report-graph&resolution=---&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=---&x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=cf_patch_status&z_axis_field=&format=bar&ctype=png&action=plot&width=600&height=350 07:45 magnuse oops 07:45 rangi yes 07:45 rangi but the url is horrid :) 07:46 magnuse a little bit, yes ;-) 07:46 rangi what id like is a little status button 07:46 rangi on the get-involved page 07:46 rangi that changes colour ;) 07:46 magnuse ohh, cool! 07:46 rangi but i can do lots of reports as the day goes on 07:47 rangi and do a leaderboard :) 07:47 magnuse showing who has signed off the most? 07:48 cait what about monday next week? 07:48 cait ... but I see that friday makes sense probably 07:48 magnuse 13th? that's a holiday here... 07:49 cait right, here too 07:49 cait bad suggestion 07:49 rangi yeah, mondays are always busy too 07:49 cait and you were talking about next friday 17th - not travelling then, but have a gues 07:49 cait t 07:49 cait so even worse 07:49 cait hmpf 07:50 rangi hehe, you can do it nz time cait 07:50 rangi which is the 16th 07:50 cait she will keep me up 07:50 Oak :) 07:50 cait and arrives on thursday 07:50 cait we will be at the zoo on friday 07:50 cait it's not about me 07:50 rangi you have already done lots anyway 07:50 magnuse cancel the zoo and teach her to help you sign off patches ;-) 07:51 cait it's ok 07:51 rangi if it works 07:51 rangi we could do one every month 07:52 magnuse yeah, that would be cool 07:53 magnuse so we have landed on the 17th? 07:53 magnuse i can do a wiki page and send an email 07:53 magnuse just to the devel-list, right? 07:54 rangi why not to the main one too 07:54 rangi we might get some new volunteers ;) 07:54 magnuse sure 07:55 cait last try, what about wednesday? 07:55 magnuse fine with me 07:55 cait 15... nice.. middle of month... 07:55 rangi the only thing is that is pretty close, might be hard for people to organise 07:55 magnuse hehe 07:56 rangi but it would be ok by me 07:57 cait ok, now I feel like pushing you around. Set a date and I will try to find that link I was looking for 07:57 rangi 15 is fine by me 07:58 magnuse ok, that's settled then? 07:58 rangi any opinions from france? :) 07:59 cait silence 07:59 Oak who is from france? 07:59 cait Oak: 15th ok for you? 08:00 rangi about 10 people here :) 08:00 Oak yes! 08:00 Oak ah, cool 08:00 rangi i suspect they are all busy eating pain au chocolat 08:00 rangi :-) 08:00 magnuse hehe 08:00 Oak that can't be possible 08:00 Oak :D 08:00 rangi or creme brulee 08:00 * rangi wants to visit france again 08:01 * magnuse too 08:01 * cait too 08:01 Oak ok, me too then 08:02 cait or yummy pizza 08:02 Oak and Italy 08:03 paul_p well, today, no creme brulee or pain au chocolat 08:03 paul_p but it seems kim made some tiramisu 08:04 magnuse ooh 08:04 paul_p (not really french, but really good though :D ) 08:04 rangi :) 08:04 paul_p (kim = our sales assistant) 08:04 magnuse tiramisu++ 08:04 cait kim++ 08:04 magnuse kim++ 08:04 paul_p what is very nice with being 15 at BibLibre, is that we really often have someone coming with some good things 08:05 paul_p some cherries from the garden last week 08:05 rangi ohh cherries 08:05 paul_p a "clafouti aux cerises" last week too 08:05 rangi in nz, we have cherries for christmas 08:07 rangi ok, i reckon 15 it is magnuse 08:07 magnuse rangi: consider it done ;-) 08:08 * cait sends lots of cookies and chocolate 08:11 cait ...and found the link: http://alshafallah.maktabat-online.net/ 08:12 Oak nice 08:12 magnuse yay 08:13 rangi cool 08:27 Oak ... electricity was out 08:27 cait oh :( 08:29 Oak I should try to replicate this look http://alshafallah.maktabat-online.net/ on local install ... just for fun :) 08:31 magnuse first attempt at a wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Glogal_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 i'll give y'all a little time to improve it before i send an email to the lists ;-) 08:34 magnuse hm, this might be a better name for it: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 (or is glogal a word?) 08:34 christophe_c @sophie_m++ 08:34 huginn` christophe_c: downloading the Perl source 08:34 rangi heh 08:34 christophe_c hello 08:34 magnuse christophe_c: skip the @ ;-) 08:35 rangi hi christophe_c :) 08:35 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 08:35 christophe_c oups sry :-[ 08:35 christophe_c magnuse++ 08:35 christophe_c ;-) 08:35 christophe_c sophie_m++ 08:36 christophe_c hello all 08:38 cait hi christophe_c :) 08:38 cait magnuse++ 08:39 christophe_c hi cait 08:39 cait magnuse: wiki page looks great 08:39 cait ok, have to go to find our booth 08:39 magnuse have fun cait! 08:39 Oak take care 08:40 cait :) 08:40 magnuse one more sign off now and we reach an all time low (?) of 65! 08:48 slef hrm, so I'm not going to enjoy opening my koha list mailbox today, am I? 08:49 magnuse depends on when you opened it last... 08:52 rangi yeah, id just avoid the one thread, its pointless 08:53 rangi the rest are fine tho :) 09:03 Brooke kia ora 09:04 Oak Haere Mai Brooke 09:04 Brooke :) 09:04 Oak :) 09:05 Oak WhÄnau 09:05 Brooke heheh 09:05 Oak :] 09:06 Brooke He aha Å mahi i tÄ“nei rÄ? 09:06 Oak uh oh. i'll get back to you in few minutes with an answer 09:07 Oak TÄiho 09:08 rangi magnuse: http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 09:08 rangi it changes to orange when it gets below 60 09:08 rangi and then green below 30 09:08 Brooke it's like homeland security but better! 09:08 rangi yep :) 09:09 rangi it actually isnt futile ;-) 09:09 magnuse rangi: very cool! 09:09 rangi feel free to embed it with ajax whereever you like 09:09 magnuse hm, i wonder if there is some way to get it into the wiki... 09:09 Brooke prolly :D 09:10 Oak Brooke, Piro rawa atu! He aha pea he mahi mÄ tÄua? 09:10 Oak no wait 09:10 Oak that's wrong 09:11 Oak Pai mÄrika taku rÄ! Hei aha mÄu? 09:11 Oak better! 09:12 rangi but not quite right 09:12 Oak hmm, yes 09:12 rangi brooke asked what you are working on today 09:13 Brooke isn't Hei aha mÄu? a wee bit combative? 09:13 rangi nope 09:14 Oak quite friendly in fact 09:14 rangi but doesnt really answer the question 09:14 Oak but i would not say that to my mom 09:14 rangi what are you working on today 09:14 rangi my day is really good 09:15 rangi and you? 09:15 Oak i made a newsletter, and made updates to one of our websites 09:15 Oak now time for lunch... 09:15 Brooke now that we need vocabulary for 09:15 Brooke I was messin' with the wiki. 09:15 Brooke wiki should be relatively the same 09:17 Oak hm 09:21 Oak @wunder islamabad 09:21 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 39.0�C (12:00 PM PKT on June 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 09:21 Oak oh good, it's cooler than yesterday 09:23 magnuse @wunder boo 09:23 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on June 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 09:24 magnuse summer! 09:24 wahanui summer is probably here now 09:24 magnuse right you are wahanui! 09:24 magnuse @wunder wellington 09:24 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 09:24 magnuse @wunder wellington, new zealand 09:24 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on June 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 09:26 Oak time to get ready for class 09:26 Oak later 09:26 * Brooke thinks huginn ought know which wellies we mean 09:27 Brooke see ya! 09:27 Oak :) 09:29 rangi its ipv6 day 09:29 rangi or soon will be 09:30 rangi 8th june 09:30 magnuse http://www.worldipv6day.org/ 09:30 rangi http://test-ipv6.com/ 09:30 Brooke do they mean New Zealand, or do they mean for the unwashed masses? 09:31 rangi well probably us time 09:31 rangi google and a few others will be serving over ipv6 09:33 Brooke dude! 09:33 Brooke Kansas is on there ;) 09:34 rangi and a few norwegian ones 09:34 magnuse huh? 09:35 Brooke and Ore Pee Eye! 09:35 Brooke but not me, cause Comcast sucks again. 09:35 rangi http://www.worldipv6day.org/ 09:35 rangi scroll down to the bottom 09:36 rangi they are ipv6 all the time now ;) 09:36 magnuse woohoo ;-) 09:41 * Brooke thinks this is prolly an opportune time to complain about the router again... 10:00 rangi magnuse: i have nothing to add to the wiki page 10:01 Brooke I added a link, but I should poke at it to embed cooly 10:01 magnuse cool, i'll send the email in a short while 10:02 magnuse i think you need to fiddle with php and extensions on the server to get it into the wiki page, Brooke... 10:05 rangi sounds likely 10:05 rangi but it should be easy to add with ajax to th get-involved page 10:05 rangi on the main site 10:05 magnuse probably 10:05 rangi ill pester wizzyrea about it tomorrow 10:17 Brooke 0/ 10:24 magnuse rangi: what colour names are you using in bug_status.pl? i'm trying to convert it into an image... 10:25 rangi red, orange and green 10:25 magnuse ok, thanks 10:28 magnuse o/ 10:29 druthb o/ 10:29 rangi hi druthb 10:30 druthb hi, magnus and rangi! :D 10:31 slef hrm 10:31 * druthb waves to slef. 10:31 slef so after detaching items from biblios, koha doesn't handle 100s of items in 3.4? Or have I misunderstood when that happened or its effect? 10:32 slef hi druthb 10:32 rangi slef: dont expect anything but lies, thats all i expect 10:32 rangi its not worth the time, its bullshit and the author knows it too 10:33 rangi but yes, if you rebuild_zebra with -b -x -z and another job running -a -z it copes with 100s of items 10:34 rangi the detail pages get a bit clunky, but thats nothing a bit of paging couldnt fix 10:34 slef so I can just reply with "that's been fixed and there are other capacity-improvement patches and branches linked on the wiki"? 10:34 slef I'd like to rebut but minimise the time. 10:34 rangi if you want to feed the troll, they have a case of last worditis 10:35 rangi so im sure some crap will come back 10:36 rangi maybe it will now be the UK koha 10:36 rangi bleagh 10:36 rangi so stupid, i wish they would just play in their own sandpit and leave everyone else alone 10:39 rangi and with that, im going to go to sleep 10:41 magnuse sleep tight, rangi 10:42 * Brooke gives slef an inoculation against last word syndrome. 10:42 Brooke night rangi 10:44 slef "don't feed the troll" is an antipattern 10:44 slef I've suffered it many times. 10:44 slef You cannot let lies go unchallenged because some people will believe them. 10:44 slef Possibly they will repeat them. 10:45 slef Eventually, enough people believe the lies that it harms you. 10:47 vfernandes hi people :) 10:47 Brooke hola 10:47 wahanui niihau, Brooke 10:49 vfernandes let me start with one question: who ordering by title result search records work? because when ordering from A to Z it appears for example A then T then C... which is a incorrect order 10:49 vfernandes *how ordering 10:55 vfernandes in the Author it appends the same thing 10:56 vfernandes what could be wrong with ordering? 10:58 slef sounds like zebra config, perhaps? 11:01 vfernandes maybe but how i can debug the problem? 11:03 vfernandes i think that zebra doens't count with word "The" 11:05 Brooke MARC usually doesn't count "The" 11:05 Brooke or at least, shouldn't. 11:06 Brooke because you ought have summat in there that says "Hey! Skip this crap." namely a 4 11:08 vfernandes why doesn't count "the"? is a word... lol i'm not a librarian so it's making me confused 11:08 vfernandes http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=prejudice&offset=0&sort_by=title_az 11:09 vfernandes without "The" the result list is well ordered 11:11 vfernandes how to solve this? any idea slef or Brooke? 11:12 Brooke that looks to be how it is meant to sort 11:12 Brooke it isn't sorting on initial articles 11:12 slef The is a stop word 11:12 Brooke and it oughtn't unless that article is special 11:12 Brooke as with stephen king's "It" 11:13 Brooke arguably the prejudice titles are improperly sorted. 11:14 Brooke though it probably treats : as a full stop 11:15 Brooke so my verdict is, you'll drive yourself insane if you try and fix summat that isn't actually broken. 11:16 vfernandes i don't even know where to start debugging the problem 11:18 Brooke there is no bug 11:18 Brooke language is filed letter by letter word by word 11:18 Brooke here I'll dig up the filing rules 11:19 Brooke http://books.google.com/books?id=wEp25PYG7f0C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false 11:19 Brooke See 4 Initial Articles. 11:20 vfernandes i know that isn't a bug, but for me it's a problem because the librarian i'm work with wants it correctly ordered 11:20 Brooke then show the Librarian 4. 11:20 Brooke diplomatically, of course ;) 11:21 Brooke 0/ 11:23 vfernandes there is also problem with portuguese titles "A história"... "A" doesn't counts for ordering 11:34 vfernandes damn :/ 11:44 Brooke 0/ 11:47 vfernandes i've changed marc_defs of zebra where there is a map of the words "The", "An", "a"... 11:47 vfernandes i've commentated that mapping... let's see if worls 11:47 vfernandes *works 11:58 vfernandes commentate doesn't solve my problem but changing the map solved :) 11:58 vfernandes vfernandes++ lol 11:58 huginn` vfernandes: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 12:08 Brooke 0/ 12:43 slef hrm, don't know if that will do any good 13:05 tcohen hi #koha 13:23 vfernandes problem with title ordering solved 13:23 vfernandes but the problem with author ordering remains 13:36 tcohen I want to make translating SQL files for 'es-ES' possible 13:36 tcohen do I make a copy of 'en'? 13:36 tcohen can the RM do it so it is up-to-date? (i.e. no wait until accepted) 13:37 tcohen is that the common workflow every other language followed? 13:40 magnuse paul_p++ 13:40 paul_p magnuse, for which mail ? the koha-devel or the holiday in Marseille ? ;-) 13:41 magnuse paul_p: both, definitely! ;-) 13:42 paul_p and only 1 ++ ? (in french we say "radin", which is translated by google to skinflint or tightwad. dunno if it's a correct translation, "radin" has a funny/joking part) 13:43 magnuse ok then 13:43 magnuse paul_p++ 13:43 magnuse ;-) 13:44 magnuse although i was thinking about the koha-devel one right now 13:47 wizzyrea paul_p++ 13:48 wizzyrea slef++ 13:50 * cait waves 13:52 magnuse o/ 13:52 magnuse how's the bibliothektag, cait? 13:53 cait busy :) 13:53 magnuse good busy? 13:55 cait yep 13:56 magnuse cool 14:07 cait paul_p++ 14:07 paul_p same question as the one asked to magnuse : 14:07 paul_p cait, for which mail ? the koha-devel or the holiday in Marseille ? ;-) 14:08 paul_p :D 14:08 cait koha-devel :) 14:08 cait but paul_p++ for the other too :) 14:08 paul_p ;-) 14:09 magnuse paul_p is probably just fishing for double ++'s ;-) 14:09 paul_p damned, i'm caught :D 14:10 cait hehe probably 14:17 paul_p magnuse, why 15th ? why not 10th (for the global sign-off day) 14:17 cait why 10th? 14:17 cait ;) 14:17 wizzyrea i like how paul_p cracks the whip on signoffs :) 14:17 cait 15th is my fault... 14:17 paul_p I ask because yesterday, we've dediced to dedicate half a day every 2 weeks to this task (for all BibLibre), and our 1st will be 10th ... 14:18 paul_p (wanted to announce that, but magnus mail has been sent before...) 14:18 cait biblibre++ 14:19 * cait will spend 10th on a train 14:19 magnuse biblibre++ 14:20 magnuse well, this is just to set the ball rolling 14:20 magnuse i think 3 days warning might have been a bit short? 14:21 magnuse if a global sign off day is a success we can coordinate it with biblibre in the future 14:21 paul_p i'll check if we can switch our 1st day to the 15th. But then, we think that friday is a good day (end of the week for everybody) 14:21 magnuse and/or expand it to other stuff, like closing bugs etc 14:21 paul_p magnuse, we don't plan to do signoff only, but also other stuff ;-) 14:22 magnuse cool 14:22 * magnuse has nothing against fridays 14:22 magnuse :-) 14:25 paul_p not possible for biblibre on 15th (3 devs outside, for a customer installation or training, including hdl & clrh). So let's stay with 15th for you and 10th for us, next time we will coordinate better ;-) 14:26 magnuse yup 14:26 magnuse lots of sign offs any way ;-) 14:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6299] Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299> 14:38 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 14:38 sekjal hi, magnuse! 14:38 cait hi sekjal 14:39 sekjal hi cait 14:39 slef wizzyrea++ 14:39 wizzyrea ! 14:40 slef bg++ too 14:40 magnuse koha_community++ 14:41 cait mailing lists? 14:41 wahanui mailing lists is better imho 14:41 wizzyrea forget mailing lists 14:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot mailing lists 14:42 wizzyrea mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 14:42 wizzyrea mailing lists? 14:42 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 14:58 reiveune bye 15:06 magnuse http://www.cyclingforlibraries.org/ has reached berlin! 15:36 slef magnuse++ 15:38 * magnuse blushes 15:40 druthb magnuse++ 15:51 rhcl @seen rangi 15:51 huginn` rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 12 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <rangi> and with that, im going to go to sleep 15:59 wizzyrea http://blog.archive.org/2011/06/06/why-preserve-books-the-new-physical-archive-of-the-internet-archive/ 15:59 wizzyrea neat ! 16:04 rhcl Quote: "A library that would prefer to not be named was found to be thinning their collections and throwing out books based on what had been digitized by Google." 16:05 * druthb boggles 16:08 wizzyrea yea, what's that about 16:13 magnuse hey, who needs dead treas when you can access the content 24/7 from google - from anywhere? ;-) 16:22 wizzyrea ooooh 16:22 wizzyrea http://sixrevisions.com/resources/git-tutorials-beginners/ 16:23 wizzyrea git for beginners is at http://sixrevisions.com/resources/git-tutorials-beginners/ 16:32 nengard what is the command to view the perl doc? i want to see what purge_suggestions.pl does 16:42 hdl perldoc 16:42 hdl perldoc myscript.pl 16:42 magnuse No documentation found for "purge_suggestions.pl". 16:42 hdl purge_suggestions is to delete the old suggestions. 16:43 hdl perl purge_suggestions.pl --h 16:43 nengard that i knew :) just wanted to include instructions on how to use the cron in the manual - i have the perl docs in the manual if they exist 16:43 hdl perl purge_suggestions.pl -? 16:51 wizzyrea also, we should add an example cron to the crontab.example 16:51 wizzyrea if there's a new job 16:51 wizzyrea what's the recommended interval for that 16:51 * wizzyrea has a mind to do it 16:51 * magnuse urges wizzyrea on 16:51 wizzyrea I'd need to know the recommended interval tho >.> 16:52 wizzyrea or, we should come up with a recommended interval 16:52 wizzyrea weekly? 16:52 magnuse sounds good to me 16:53 magnuse i doubt there are many libraries that would run out of space because that script was not run more often 16:53 wizzyrea right 16:53 magnuse but then again 16:53 magnuse @quote get 123 16:53 huginn` magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:54 magnuse ;-) 16:54 wizzyrea hehe 16:55 wizzyrea are there any other new cronjobs that need to be added while i'm in there? 16:56 wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=b43d377280e2e0643021f8fd0a1a105acba8f243;hb=HEAD 16:56 wizzyrea is current 16:58 * magnus_away gotta run 17:00 wizzyrea and oy! purge_suggestions isn't in 'cronjobs' 17:00 wizzyrea ! 17:00 * wizzyrea mutters 17:00 wizzyrea derr 17:00 * wizzyrea facepalms 17:00 wizzyrea perhaps if your terminal window was not dragged half way off of your screen 17:01 * cait sends liz a cookie 17:02 wizzyrea thanks :) 17:03 * Agent_Dani has managed such on occasion. 17:04 wizzyrea zounds how did this ever work before git bz 17:05 wizzyrea now: lunch. 17:05 druthb folks, say howdy to Agent_Dani, a friend of mine who has expressed some interest in our little community...she's a DRA admin from way back. :) 17:06 Agent_Dani Hi! 17:07 cait hi :) 17:07 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6478] purge_suggestions.pl needs an example crontab <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6478> 17:11 tcohen i'm stuck, couldn't ifnd a way to split a file into several patches (for size matters) 17:15 tcohen anyone there to give me a hint? 17:22 chris_n tcohen: make more frequent commits, maybe? 17:22 nengard regarding this item on the release notes for 3.4 "Printed receipts can now include the library phone, address and other fields" how does it work? What do you do to customize it? 17:22 nengard updating the manual in case you all can't tell 17:22 tcohen i have a 3.5MB frameworks file 17:23 tcohen i'll use a shell script to split that file into several commits 17:30 clrh tcho 17:41 wizzyrea nengard: I never found that either 17:42 nengard hmmm 17:42 nengard how about the holds stats ... did you ever get that to work? 17:45 wizzyrea i haven't checked it lately 17:46 wizzyrea I suspect that it was a recent TT bug keeping that from working 17:47 * Oak waves quickly 17:47 wizzyrea o? 17:47 wizzyrea er o/ 17:48 wizzyrea though the ? makes it look like he's scratching his head 17:48 Oak heya wizzyrea did not want to get noticed 17:48 nengard wizzyrea no, it didn't work before the TT change 17:48 * wizzyrea completely ignores Oak 17:48 Oak good 17:50 wizzyrea nengard hmm 17:50 * druthb can't ignore Oak! 17:50 druthb o/ 17:50 Oak hiya druthb 17:51 cait me neither 17:51 cait hi Oak 17:51 Oak aw, you both are too kind 17:51 Oak WhÄnau 17:51 wizzyrea hey, I was only following directions 17:51 Oak :] 17:52 Oak hello cait 17:52 Oak do you have a cat 17:52 cait no 17:53 Oak ok, i'll think about it why I asked that 17:53 cait why? 17:53 * wizzyrea wonders if Oak is feeling alright today 17:53 Oak still thinking 17:54 * druthb wonders the same thing. 18:25 rhcl @seen rangi 18:25 huginn` rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <rangi> and with that, im going to go to sleep 18:33 conan hi everyone 18:34 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6316] es-ES translation for SQL files <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6316> 18:35 rhcl hi conan 18:38 tcohen hi conan 18:42 Oak uh oh, druthb, cait, wizzyrea electricity went out from 23:00 to 23:45... 18:42 wizzyrea oh no! 18:42 cait :( 18:42 Oak i forgot about the schedule before talking nonsense :) 18:43 Oak well, it goes daily, will go again at 3am 18:43 Oak fun 18:44 druthb welcome back, Oak. :) 18:44 Oak thank you druthb :) 18:45 rangi tcohen: about? 18:46 cait morning rangi 18:46 * Oak listening to The Sundays - Wild Horses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9lEd5bIbbQ 18:48 tcohen Oak: nice version 18:48 Oak :) yes, i like it very much 18:48 tcohen rangi: i wanted to talk about bug 6316 18:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6316 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , es-ES translation for SQL files 18:49 tcohen and the better path to have it 18:49 rangi @later tell tcohen just fyi for a lot of commits like that a pull request sometimes is better 18:49 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:49 rangi hi cait 18:49 conan tcohen: there's new discussion about that 18:49 conan don't recall the bug number 18:49 conan but someone was proposing another way to deal with those translations 18:50 rangi only for sysprefs conan 18:50 rangi the rest still need sql (and sysprefs do too, until we fix the web installer) 18:51 rangi because prefs are translatable via pootle/po 18:51 rangi we can change the installer to just use en, no matter what language 18:52 rangi but for now, we have to update all syspref files until thats done 18:53 conan rangi: no, I recall him talking about fields and subfields , I'll check my browser history 18:54 rangi but frameworks, letters etc, all need their own files 18:55 rangi yeah those changes are way way away 18:55 rangi sysprefs is achievable easily 18:56 rangi and having sql files for them is less of a problem 18:56 rangi they change rarely 18:56 rangi sysprefs change a lot 18:56 rangi so sorting that for 3.6 would be great 19:02 rangi ok time to make lunches 19:05 Oak cranky. should sleep. night. 19:16 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6479] Encoding problem in "recievedlist" when the numbering formula contains utf-8 characters <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6479> 19:23 sekjal I'm compiling a list of MySQL queries to sanity-check a Koha database. I'd like to automate these in script so one can quickly check their data for known problems 19:24 sekjal is there an existing script in /t to tack this onto, or should it go into something new? 19:28 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6480] Koha produces a lot of apache logs for UNIMARC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6480> 19:35 rangi as predicted last worditis kicks in 19:35 rangi and the rant becomes even less grounded in fact 19:36 rangi for the record clay, MJ alone has 3 times as many commits in koha as the whole of ptfs 19:37 wizzyrea i'm not sure why we're even still talking about this. 19:37 wizzyrea besides clarifying that local forks vs what they did are different animals 19:38 rangi yep no point responded to his emails 19:38 rangi responding even 19:38 wizzyrea so for the record: don't feed the trolls. 19:38 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:39 conan we should call stallman and sue them for removing names in about :P 19:39 rangi be nice if the trolls played on their own mailing list 19:39 wizzyrea word. 19:39 wizzyrea to the 2nd, not the "call stallman" 19:40 conan rangi: do you recall our talk last wed? you recommended me to fill sub themelanguage with warns 19:40 wizzyrea as much as I like feeling outrage over the wrongs they have perpetrated on our project, I'd rather just help make koha better. 19:40 conan rangi: couldn't do it then, so I'm testing now 19:40 conan curious thing 19:40 conan I just downloaded and installed .po files from Pootle, that are 100% translated 19:41 conan I log in and wander and all is ok 19:41 conan then I ask a user to log in and check 19:41 conan and he sees the header and menu in english and the rest in spanish 19:41 conan I check his cookies, and he doesn't have the Opac... cookie 19:42 conan in fact, I have 3 cookies and he only has 1, the one from login 19:42 conan there's no cookie filtering going on his machine 19:42 conan I checked that 19:42 rangi something to look at then,cookie lost logging in? 19:42 conan he logs, we check cookies, boom, only one 19:42 conan he doesnt have KOhaopaclanguage nor marcdocs_0 19:43 conan I'm tailing -f error log and it shows this: 19:43 rangi yep that I think has always happened 19:43 rangi login starts a fresh session 19:44 rangi if he sets his language now does that stick? 19:44 pastebot "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "cookies and language problem" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/77 19:45 rangi on my phone can't look easy 19:45 conan the one from above is me, seeing all beautiful in english, using linux+firefox 19:45 rangi but I believe u 19:45 conan ah, sorry, are you walking? 19:45 rangi bus 19:45 rangi the thing is try 3.2 and see if login resets cookie 19:46 rangi and if so we know where to look 19:46 rangi if not then we do too :) 19:46 conan I'll have to set up an new installation for that check 19:47 conan do you happen to recall where to look? I think maybe it will be easier to look before doing a full install 19:47 conan with a strong remark on maybe ;) 19:47 rangi c4::output 19:47 conan ah! 19:47 conan that one 19:48 conan why are there two sub themelanguage ? 19:48 rangi it does the headers/cookies 19:48 rangi it wont be that, that only reads the cookie 19:48 conan the sub seems to be a copy from Templates.pm 19:52 rangi other way round 19:52 rangi template is a copy from output 19:52 rangi but like I say 19:52 rangi not the problem 19:52 rangi it only reads not sets cookies 19:53 rangi too hard to debug on a crowded bus 19:54 rangi you'll figure it out :) 19:57 conan rangi: your suggestion to set the language worked 19:57 conan rangi: so I guess the problem is there's no cookie kohaopaclanguage at login 19:58 conan and to make it work you have to do an initial language switch 19:58 conan now I need to figure out why there's no cookie set at the beginning 20:04 rangi yup 20:08 rangi bus stop bbiab 20:08 conan I'm thinking this is not a cookie problem, is a logic problem! 20:09 conan Where are we telling koha we would like to use this or that language? 20:09 conan From what I'm seeing in Home › Administration › System Preferences > I18N/L10N preferences 20:09 conan never 20:09 conan we just give it a list of languages 20:10 conan Am I mistaken? 20:10 conan the cookie is working ok, it should be set when someone chooses the language, not upon login 20:10 conan because upon login koha doesn't know what the user wants anyway 20:12 conan I'm thinking about adding a new syspref to set that, unless someone prove me wrong in the above reasoning 20:28 rhcl Inhalation Guide? That's something I'd write. 20:28 rangi heh 20:29 rangi rhcl: would you be able to do me a favour 20:29 francharb good night @koha! 20:30 rangi i answered the inhalation guide, do you want to tackle teh Guidance email from Tim Bateson 20:30 rangi im diplomaced out 20:30 rangi or anyone else for that matter 20:31 moodaepo rangi++ diplomaced++ 20:32 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:32 huginn` moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 37.0�C (2:56 PM CDT on June 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.48 in 998.2 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening... 20:33 pastebot "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "default language setting: to be or not to be" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/78 20:34 cait hah 20:34 cait solved the second serials problem :) 20:34 cait hm, let's say it works better than before 20:35 magnuse conan: koha does not have a setting for default language now, but i sure think it needs one! 20:35 conan it can be though two ways: 20:36 conan or we add 2 new syspref for preferred language (opac and staff) and change the explanations/definitions on those language options that we have now 20:37 magnuse i think two new sysprefs are needed, for default language 20:37 cait I think we need both, default and activated languages 20:37 magnuse the sysprefs we have today only set available languages 20:37 cait so 4 sys prefs 20:37 magnuse cait: yup 20:37 conan or we add a new syspref called language_list or available_languages and start using language and opaclanguage to *really* set a default language, and not to hold a language list, which what they are doing right now 20:38 conan did you read the second option? ^^^^ 20:38 conan which one would be easier to implement? 20:38 * magnuse thinks it's better to create new sysprefs for new functionality, not reuse old ones for it 20:38 conan magnuse: but check the explanations! 20:38 * magnuse thinks the first one is easier 20:38 magnuse we could change the explanations 20:39 magnuse i think it's easier to not make old sysprefs do something new 20:39 conan hum... then the names would be misleading 20:39 conan ok then 20:39 conan so two new syspref marching 20:39 rangi diplomacy worked with ed :) 20:42 magnuse conan: let's talk some more tomorrow (if you havn't fixed it in the meantime ;-) 20:42 * magnuse wanders off again 20:43 rhcl rangi: just came back to the computer, lemme look at the guidance email 20:43 rangi thanks :) 20:43 rangi rhcl++ # for bothering to even look 20:45 rhcl I'll get part of it, I don't use AD so won't be much help there, unless I can fiind some docs for it. 20:45 rangi ahh i can do that bit, it was more the bit that required diplomacy, and im all out ;-) 20:48 Brooke kia ora 20:49 cait hi Brooke 20:49 Brooke :) 20:50 rangi heya Brooke 20:50 rangi cait: is it very busy there? 20:50 cait here? ses 20:51 cait ye 20:51 cait can't type 20:51 cait yes 20:51 cait but not now of course :) 20:51 cait if there means the congress? 20:54 wizzyrea opachiddenitems -- does this actually work? 20:54 wizzyrea I've consulted the referenced text file 20:54 Brooke hey there pianohacker 20:54 pianohacker Hi guys 20:54 wizzyrea and put in one of the examples 20:55 wizzyrea does it have to reindex? 20:55 rangi not sure wizzyrea 20:55 wizzyrea was that a biblibre thing? 20:55 wizzyrea just wondering who to ask :) 20:56 cait I think it mentioned a file somehwere? 20:56 cait ah 20:56 cait you did that, right? the example? 20:56 * cait decides to be silent and work on the serials thing 20:56 wizzyrea yepper :) 20:56 wizzyrea lol no don't! 21:02 cait not work on the serials thing? 21:02 cait :P 21:07 wizzyrea no be quiet :P 21:08 * wizzyrea gives cait cookies 21:08 wizzyrea do you know how the opachiddenitems works :P 21:08 wizzyrea j/k, I'll consult paul_p in the morning 21:09 rangi :) 21:10 Brooke 0/ 21:10 Space_Librarian morning #koha 21:10 Brooke morena 21:10 Space_Librarian goeie more ;) 21:12 cait thx for the cookies 21:12 Space_Librarian hey cait 21:12 cait hi Space_Librarian 21:12 cait :) 21:12 * cait shares a cookie with Space_Librarian 21:13 * Space_Librarian accepts half a cookie. 21:13 Space_Librarian Thanks cait. :) 21:13 * ibeardslee works out if he has a reason to wander to L7 21:13 * Space_Librarian hides her chocolate cake. 21:14 rangi heh 21:14 pianohacker Well, I'm hungry now, thanks to you all 21:14 pianohacker Better go take care of that 21:14 Space_Librarian :) 21:24 * Brooke sneaks a wee bit of choc... 21:24 * Space_Librarian grins at Brooke 21:35 sekjal time to go. night, all 21:35 Brooke night night 21:37 cait hah! 21:37 rangi ? 21:38 cait thought I solved the enumchron problem.. 21:38 cait thought... 21:38 rangi rhcl++ # thank you 21:40 cait [Tue Jun 07 23:44:10 2011] [error] [client ::1] [Tue Jun 7 23:44:10 2011] serials-edit.pl: Indicator in 952 is empty at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 1906., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-edit.pl?subscriptionid=1&serstatus=1,3,7 21:41 rhcl np 21:53 rangi atz++ # signing off patches 21:57 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6305] The serials are not working properly <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6305> 22:02 cait bug 6305: no idea why no items are created - perhaps someone can take a look at that? 22:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , The serials are not working properly 22:02 cait it's one of those evil bugs 22:02 rhcl Of perhaps mild interest, it seems LC and Columbia Univ use Voyager on top of Oracle; Voyager uses perl scripts. By inference, it seems it may run on Windows. 22:03 rangi oh perl def runs on windows 22:03 rangi activestate and strawberry perl are 2 ways to do it 22:04 rangi chris_n had koha 3.2. running on windows as a proof of concept, it wasnt easy though .. and really ... free stack ftw ;) 22:04 rhcl No, a cursory search indicates Voyager runs on Windows, haven't checked enough to know if it runs on *nix. 22:05 rhcl We decided, just for fun, to install wireshark on our koha test server, then do a bunch of Z39.50 checks to different libraries. 22:10 rhcl You know, just a philosophical comment here not particularly related to Koha, but the thing I have always thought about Mono and Miguel de Icaza is that we have an obviously very talented programmer 22:10 rhcl who as invested a lot of coding time in a project to make something compatible with MS, and now HTML5 is probably going to make a great deal of it moot 22:11 rangi yep 22:12 rangi the problem for me, with mono, was the patent threats that hung over it 22:12 rhcl I have to work to remind myself that Sambais valuable; I really just want to make a rule: "Just use Linux!" 22:12 rangi well ... "Just use free software!" thats a pretty good one :-) 22:14 rhcl I know a group of programmers for a very large public transportation system that are writing mission-critical, public-safety critical, systems in C++ and C# running on Windows servers. It's almost beyond belief for me. 22:14 rhcl When I was a kid growing up anything critical was written in Ada and running on Unix. 22:14 rangi yup 22:18 * chilts used to write Ada 22:18 chilts Ada 83 (Ravenscar Profile) 22:18 rangi chilts! :) 22:18 chilts hello :) 22:18 chilts I still lurk 22:18 rangi when you were building rockets? 22:18 chilts yeah, 2000-2001 22:18 rangi sweet 22:19 chilts that was for Beagle2, before that it was C for the XMM-Newton control centre 22:19 chilts one day I'll have some good stories for my grandkids (I should write them down before I forget) 22:19 rangi can we blame you for it being lost? 22:19 rangi :) 22:20 chilts it was the parachutes :) 22:20 chilts heh, how does off work: [OFF] or OFF: or something? ;) 22:20 rangi [off] test test 22:20 rangi test 22:21 chilts [off] afaict they changed them last minute, made them heavier, but never got the chance to do a full deployment 22:21 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-06-07#i_688237 22:21 chilts it was kinda crazy 22:21 rangi ahh that'd do it 22:21 chilts that's my opinion anyway 22:21 * chilts deflects blame 22:21 rhcl interesting 22:21 wahanui interesting is good 22:21 chilts though they carried on doing the project for a year and a half after I stopped on it, only did it for 9 months 22:22 chilts I see XMM-Newton is still going though :) 22:22 chilts so that's good 22:22 * chilts use to have achilton@esa.int :) <- it was cool 22:24 rhcl Yea, I used to work at a different place too. 22:25 rangi thats a pretty cool address 22:26 rangi rhcl: airforce eh ? 22:26 rhcl um, yea 22:29 rhcl well, let's call it a day. see ya' all tomorrow 22:30 rangi cya 22:35 conan later 22:54 eythian rangi: I have to commend you not cracking a joke at "inhalation guide" :) 22:55 eythian I'm not convinced I could have been so disciplined. 22:55 rangi it was tricky 22:55 rangi got a nice off list email from ed though so it was worth it ;) 22:55 eythian heh 22:57 cait :) 23:00 eythian http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten_Huffing <-- relevant 23:01 rangi you manage to find the most irrelevant relevant things ;) 23:01 eythian it's a talent 23:03 Space_Librarian Kitten huffing is so 2004 23:03 Space_Librarian ;) 23:06 eythian I just about replied to a message on the debian-perl list about installing Koha packages the debian way, getting my mailing lists confused (it was someone asking about installing modules using the cpan tool) 23:06 eythian Need to be careful of that... 23:09 rangi ahh :) 23:09 rangi yep 23:10 ricmarques Ah, done. 23:10 ricmarques Hi everyone! :) 23:12 rangi heya ricmarques 23:12 ricmarques rangi: Hi Chris! I see that I'm not the only one that changed his nick from the IRC server of Katipo ;-) 23:13 rangi :) 23:14 ricmarques I see that Lenora has just followed-up to my Reply to Ed Veal (about installing Koha in openSUSE) but I don't understand her answer / comment: 23:14 ricmarques "If I can get the evaluation forms, I can get those into the program books." 23:14 ricmarques ? 23:16 rangi hmm didnt see that 23:16 rangi maybe not to the list? 23:16 rangi i just followed up too 23:16 rangi offering you 10 points to make a patch :-) 23:16 ricmarques rangi: Ah, you're right... She replied only to me (not to the list) 23:17 ricmarques rangi: Making a patch with changes from another user and getting karma points from that? That almost sounds like cheating ;-) 23:18 rangi nice thing is the wiki is gpl licensed, so you can do that :-) 23:18 ricmarques (I would keep both attributions it the path, obviously - to me and to Frank :) 23:18 rangi yep 23:18 rangi that would be perfect 23:19 ricmarques OK. I can try to do that, in the next few days (or over the weekend) 23:19 ricmarques BTW: have you noticed my post with my "bulkmarcimport" question about the "v 2" option? 23:19 rangi ah yeah, i havent had time to confirm 23:20 rangi sounds like its a bug to me though 23:21 ricmarques rangi: Right... I seem to recall (but I may be wrong) that the "v2 option" worked (dumped MARC records in the first 3.0.x versions). So, it might even be a regression 23:22 rangi could well be 23:23 ricmarques rangi: Anyway, if you find some ISO to run it over (with the "-t" option if you wish - so it only tests it, but does nothing) that would be great 23:24 rangi ill see if i get a chance, no promises though, hopefully someone else gets a chance too, otherwise it will have to wait til i get time .. .. whenever that might be :) 23:24 ricmarques rangi: Sure, no problem :) 23:29 ricmarques BTW. Do you rangi - or anyone here - know about some command-line program to "fix" "broken" ISO files? 23:30 rangi to fix the marc? 23:30 rangi hmmm 23:30 rangi i dont, someone else might though 23:31 ricmarques rangi: OK, thanks for the feedback 23:31 yhager What could be the reason that when I click on a book in search results I get a 404? 23:31 rangi theres just too many things that can be wrong ricmarques 23:31 rangi yhager: you zebra index is out of date 23:32 yhager I am running rebuild_zebra -b -a -z every 10 minutes.. this had started a few days ago... 23:32 rangi it might be worth doing a total rebuild 23:33 rangi yhager: is it a book that has been deleted? 23:33 rangi if so 23:33 rangi http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#20 23:33 yhager wait, I need to check if the cronjob is really running. 23:33 rangi yeah check that too ;) 23:35 yhager ok, my problem was in the cronjob, but I am curious about the delete issue 23:35 yhager do I need to run a full rebuild every once in a while, or is -z enough? 23:36 rangi -z should be enough 23:41 yhager rangi: so I assume the delete issue you linked above is not the normal course 23:41 rangi yeah, thats only if the -z is running and somehow a deleted record is still showing 23:46 ricmarques Well... It's sleep time for me. Take care rangi, yhager... and everyone else! :) 23:46 rangi sleep well ricmarques 23:48 yhager sleep tight :) 23:50 ricmarques rangi / yhager: Thanks! :)