Time  Nick                Message
00:00 eythian             squeeze is officially supported :)
00:00 larryb              Ah. If you want to write up what you did and share it with me, I'll add it my internal documentation.
00:00 eythian             (well, assuming I'm an official :)
00:01 library_systems_guy here you go larryb: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
00:02 larryb              Got it. Thanks.
00:02 library_systems_guy np, anything i can do to help :)
00:02 larryb              Still, I may miss the good ol days of making sure you rc.* links were properly numbered in the right order.
00:02 larryb              :)
00:07 library_systems_guy so larryb how often do you guys update Koha on the server you host?
00:08 larryb              Well, I've only been with the company for about 2 months, and it's not been done since I've been here.
00:08 library_systems_guy haha touche` btw...i missed that previous comment...silly scroll bar
00:08 larryb              However, I think that was more due to the imminent release of 3.4.
00:08 library_systems_guy oh wow...nengard made it sound like it was an everyday thing
00:09 library_systems_guy i guess you all have a lot of clients hosted to update that often
00:09 larryb              I believe we've done as needed, as upgrades come out that fix broken code.
00:09 library_systems_guy fair enough
00:09 larryb              We've gotten big enough now that trying to do them all at once is a major scheduling challenge.
00:10 bg                  :)
00:10 library_systems_guy do you guys use a database cluster?
00:10 library_systems_guy that would be super cool
00:11 larryb              To quote Doctor Who: Spoilers.
00:11 bg                  heh
00:11 library_systems_guy i think i missed that one...
00:12 library_systems_guy actually i have no idea who do who is :'(
00:12 library_systems_guy i was a sheltered chile
00:12 library_systems_guy child*
00:12 larryb              plonk.
00:12 library_systems_guy o_0
00:12 eythian             killfiling someone because they don't know dr who? I guess it's fair enough, if a little harsh ;)
00:13 larryb              Sorry, didn't mean to killfile 'him.
00:13 larryb              That was more of an expression of surprise. Mea culpa.
00:13 library_systems_guy lol ahhh...i got killfiled?
00:14 larryb              No, not really.
00:14 library_systems_guy is that like kill -9
00:14 library_systems_guy lol
00:14 eythian             http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/P/plonk.html <-- larryb
00:14 larryb              Ahmuck, but then we're not in usenet, are we.
00:15 library_systems_guy i feel like a newb
00:15 larryb              And I was unaware of that meaning. As I said, mea culpa.
00:15 eythian             ;D
00:18 Ahmuck              larryb: ?
00:18 larryb              Yeah.
00:19 library_systems_guy bg do you know of anyone who has done some particularly cool customization with their opac?
00:21 bg                  check out HLT - the first koha library
00:21 bg                  library.co.nz IRC
00:22 bg                  doh library.org.nz
00:23 eythian             http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ <-- I also like this one
00:23 library_systems_guy oh yeah thats the one that cait showed me the other day
00:23 library_systems_guy that one is pretty cool
00:23 Space_Librarian     https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is a research library
00:23 bg                  owen's is pretty good and he blogs about it
00:23 bg                  acpl.kohalibrary.com
00:24 library_systems_guy ahh i guess owen does the UI stuff for standard koha
00:24 bg                  this is pretty good - http://beckercat.wustl.edu/
00:25 library_systems_guy yeah of all the ones i've seen that one is my favorite
00:25 bg                  http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=help&idx=kw&idx=kw&do=Search&sort_by=relevance
00:25 bg                  I like this one - and how they've created a bookplate for the no image found results
00:26 bg                  http://opac.goodwin.edu/ (one of our first)
00:26 library_systems_guy that is nice...much better than the stock we've got nothing response
00:26 Space_Librarian     I like that one... and the bookplate.
00:27 bg                  yeah the bookplate is really easy..  IRC it's all css
00:27 library_systems_guy if you promise not to do a search you can look at this one...i just started it today and the search results are all kinds of messed up
00:28 Brooke              did someone say ui?
00:28 library_systems_guy haha maybeee
00:28 bg                  span.no-image
00:28 bg                  {
00:28 bg                  background-image: url(https://catalog.marlboro.edu/opac-tmpl/prog/images/Library_bookplate_tiny.GIF);
00:28 bg                  width: 55px;
00:28 bg                  height: 75px;
00:28 bg                  }
00:29 bg                  library_systems_guy: taking a bit to load :)
00:29 library_systems_guy uh oh...like its not going to go through
00:29 library_systems_guy or the page is too big?
00:29 Brooke              loaded for me
00:29 bg                  yeah doesn't look to be loading
00:29 Brooke              we woodcut
00:29 Brooke              wee even
00:29 Brooke              marlboro library logo?
00:30 bg                  no not the logo - but hiya Brooke
00:30 Brooke              0/
00:30 library_systems_guy probably a firewall issue...ill have to talk to our ISO
00:30 library_systems_guy that was supposed to be open...grr
00:30 bg                  ;)
00:32 bg                  ah I got something - but it's like an ADA catalog
00:32 library_systems_guy ada catalog?
00:33 bg                  american disabilities act
00:33 bg                  for the blind - so all text
00:33 bg                  just took a long time
00:33 library_systems_guy i guess i should throw out there that i am definitely not a librarian or claim to have any knowledge therein
00:33 library_systems_guy lol
00:33 library_systems_guy whats the link?
00:33 bg                  heh no worries
00:33 bg        
00:34 Brooke              that's okay
00:34 library_systems_guy lol the link to my site?
00:34 Brooke              we're like a seventh grade dance
00:34 Brooke              there are developers on one side
00:34 Brooke              and Librarians on the other
00:34 library_systems_guy hahaha
00:34 Brooke              we titter and look at each other from time to time ;)
00:34 library_systems_guy that is so true
00:34 bg                  I'm stuck in the middle :)
00:34 Brooke              but seriously
00:35 Brooke              feel free to email me with stuff you'd rather not ask publicly for shame
00:35 Brooke              abesottedphoenix@ yahoo.com
00:35 library_systems_guy aww thanks :)
00:35 Brooke              np
00:35 Brooke              mind you I'm not guaranteeing the right answer ;)
00:35 library_systems_guy most of the time i just ask and claim ignorance lol
00:36 library_systems_guy and the librarians here usually do give me some...giref
00:36 Brooke              well then they're naughty and ought be spanked
00:36 library_systems_guy and haha thats ok i get something wrong at least...once a day :p
00:36 Brooke              or are possibly academic Librarians
00:36 library_systems_guy yeah you can ask nengard about their attitude
00:36 library_systems_guy yeah they are
00:36 Brooke              LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:36 library_systems_guy im in an academic
00:37 Brooke              the ivory tower's too high to let my lot in ;)
00:37 Space_Librarian     oi. nothing wrong with academic librarians! ;)
00:37 library_systems_guy except the ones here
00:37 * Space_Librarian   spent most of her career as an academic librarians.
00:37 Brooke              I agree, Space_Librarian. If you can get past the moat with the crocs, they're just fine ;)
00:38 Space_Librarian     Of course.
00:38 library_systems_guy *agrees with Brooke
00:38 library_systems_guy oops
00:38 Space_Librarian     Being an Engl lit person helps. hehehe
00:38 library_systems_guy haha I don't think being from texas helps at all
00:38 Space_Librarian     But we're not *all* balrogs.
00:38 Space_Librarian     :)
00:39 library_systems_guy lol
00:39 Brooke              did you try telling them not to mess with Tejas?
00:40 library_systems_guy they are in texas too...it holds no gravity
00:41 Brooke              harrrrumph!!!
00:41 library_systems_guy i know...i can't win for losing
00:41 library_systems_guy lol
00:41 Brooke              mebbe you can secede and cite the gubnah!
00:43 library_systems_guy we tried that once...apparently it didn't work out so well for the south
00:43 Brooke              why I do declah!
00:44 * Brooke            has a knack of finding important African American stuff down here.
00:44 Brooke              I'm tempted to give tours.
00:45 library_systems_guy where is down here?
00:45 Brooke              the Other Great Commonwealth of Vahginiah
00:46 library_systems_guy ahhh i see i see
00:47 Brooke              my da's in Tejas now, though, with mah smart sister.
00:50 library_systems_guy its a  bad place to be in the summer
00:50 library_systems_guy its so hot
00:50 Brooke              ooof
00:50 Brooke              everything's so very over air conditioned though as to render that not terribly a factor.
00:54 library_systems_guy thats true...i guess an inside job isn't horrible
01:51 huginn`             New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6350 : Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37cf503fdf1006e0c0c935e795dfc8cb4af80c9a>
01:57 jenkins_koha        Starting build 255 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:19 eythian             ronald: hiya, I hear you're in Thailand
02:20 ronald              yes
02:21 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6361] Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361>
02:40 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #255: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/255/
02:40 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: Bug 6350 : Updating history docs
02:40 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5, ---, nengard, NEW , Bug for tracking updates to the history file
03:13 jenkins_koha        Starting build 3 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:35 rangi               chris_n++
03:39 chris_n             happy Tuesday, #koha :)
03:53 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_3.4.x build #3: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/3/
03:53 jenkins_koha        * Frédéric Demians: Update translation 3.4.1
03:53 jenkins_koha        * Chris Nighswonger: Release Notes for
03:53 jenkins_koha        * Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
04:07 eythian             chris_n: all those URLs in the email are 404
04:07 rangi               i think he is asleep
04:07 rangi               lemme check it out
04:08 rangi               http://download.koha-community.org/
04:08 rangi               .1 not .01
04:08 * rangi             mvs them
04:08 rangi               easier than a new email :)
04:08 eythian             yeah, definitely
04:10 rangi               hows that?
04:11 eythian             HTTP-verzoek is verzonden; wachten op antwoord... 200 OK
04:11 eythian             much better :)
05:05 cait                good morning #koha
05:28 rangi               hi cait
05:28 cait                hi rangi
05:28 cait                nice stats
05:28 rangi               :)
05:29 rangi               u would have noticed too that most work on their stuff was done by ppl not at ll
05:29 Nur                 Good morning to all
05:30 cait                yeah
05:30 cait                cherry picks?
05:31 rangi               im guessing
05:31 rangi               some was done by ppl who since have quit too
05:31 cait                hm, if the time frame is right there are not many other options
05:31 rangi               ie the top contributor
05:32 rangi               the time frame might be out, im going from the version number but it wouldn't be far out
05:33 rangi               I think jesses work was under contract for them
05:34 rangi               I think it illustrates the point nicely though
05:37 cait                yes, the stats are good
05:37 cait                hi pianohacker :)
05:37 rangi               hi pianohacker
05:38 pianohacker         Hi guys
06:13 alex_a              bonjour #koha
06:16 clrh                hi
06:31 cait                hi alex_a and clrh
06:31 cait                :)
06:31 clrh                hello cait
06:32 alex_a              hi cait :)
06:32 cait                :)
06:32 alex_a              how are you cait ?
06:32 cait                @wunder Konstanz
06:32 huginn`             cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.9�C (8:35 AM CEST on May 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady).
06:32 alex_a              @wunder marseille
06:32 huginn`             alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 23.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on May 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
06:32 alex_a              \o/
06:32 cait                alex_a: I am pretty good :)
06:33 alex_a                23
06:33 cait                and you?
06:33 alex_a              very well cait
06:33 cait                good to hear that :)
06:34 cait                time to leave for work - bbl
06:34 alex_a              23 °C at 8:30 am, this afternoon will be hot
06:35 clrh                alex_a: tomorrow will be more too ;)
06:39 alex_a              clrh: may be it will be better to work on the beach tomorrow ;)
06:39 clrh                tsss
06:56 julian              hello #koha!
06:57 ronald              hello Julian
06:58 Ropuch              Morning #koha
07:06 glernil             critical bug found
07:07 glernil             availability of items won't change to unavailable in the OPAC even the item was checked out to a patron
07:11 glernil             koha version 3.04
07:12 Brooke              kia ora miguel
07:12 paul_p              hello world
07:12 Brooke              bonjour paul
07:15 glernil             reaffirmed Bug 2708 - Checked out items saying available affected version koha 3.4 & 3.4.1
07:16 mtj                 glernil: you prolly need to run rebuild-zeb.pl -r ?
07:17 mtj                 Koha pulls availability info from the zebra-db, as a speed tweak
07:18 mtj                 mod yr item's status, rebuild zebra, then test again
07:19 glernil             i'll try to do rebuild
07:20 mtj                 unavailable in opac-detail.pl , or opac-search.pl ?
07:21 mtj                 fyi: opac-detail.pl pulls status from mysql 'items' table
07:21 Brooke              ah! Last two bloody shows! http://www.dc-opera.org/seasontickets/1011/iphigenie.asp
07:21 Brooke              where'd may go?
07:21 mtj                 opac-search.pl pulls from zebra-db
07:21 glernil             in both.. opac-detail and opac-search
07:22 mtj                 upgrade to 3.2, at least
07:23 Brooke              0/
07:24 mtj                 i think... if there was a bug in 3.0.4, its fixed in 3.2.x
07:24 francharb           hello #koha
07:24 glernil             i'm talking to ver 3.4 not 3.04
07:25 glernil             oops.. i mean 3.4 not 3.0.4
07:25 glernil             i rebuilt the index then it went right.. the status changed in the opac search..
07:25 mtj                 ah, my mistake
07:26 mtj                 glernil: thats good... and opac-detail.pl?
07:29 mtj                 glernil: fyi if you dont remember to rebuild/sync your zebra-db  when testing - you *will* get confusing results ;)
07:30 mtj                 but, its a common mistake :)
07:30 * Brooke            was happy to see bywater's demo at 3.4 now :D
07:30 mtj                 heya Brooke
07:30 Brooke              aloha
07:31 glernil             the status in the opac details is still available after rebuilt
07:32 glernil             syncing?
07:33 glernil             i always rebuild my index after any upgrade
07:34 rangi               and you have the cron job set up to run rebuild_zebra.pl at regular intervals ?
07:35 hdl                 hi
07:35 rangi               hiya hdl
07:40 mtj                 glernil: you need to rebuild your index after *every* bib or items change
07:41 mtj                 ... not just after an upgrade
07:41 mtj                 hence rangi's cron-job suggestion, etc...
07:42 glernil             yes.. definitely.. how frequent should i set that?
07:42 glernil             wat parameter should i add?
07:43 rangi               als when you upgraded to 3.4.0 did you run the remove_items_from_bibs script?
07:43 rangi               als=also
07:43 mtj                 rebuild-zebra.pl  -z
07:44 mtj                 -z is incremental, -r is reset
07:44 mtj                 -h is help ;)
07:59 glernil             i ran the last to steps after the upgrade
08:00 glernil             but in my cron job i don't have the rebuild zebra
08:00 glernil             how should i set that? and how frequent?
08:19 Brooke              "Citizen-centric disruptive and enabling technologies"
08:19 Brooke              street translation
08:19 Brooke              twitter revolution, bebe
08:20 Brooke              whoever wrote that in the cfp should seriously consider a jorb at NACO
08:41 Brooke              0/
08:43 Oak                 \o/ hiya Brooke :)
08:43 Brooke              how's it?
08:43 Oak                 it's good
08:44 Oak                 :]
08:44 Brooke              hooray
08:45 Oak                 let's drink water to that
08:46 Brooke              bah, as long as I pour out the first drop, I can be a good Kyrgish Muslim ;)
08:47 Oak                 hehe
09:39 rangi               hi magnuse
09:39 magnuse             kia ora rangi
09:56 magnuse             c ya
10:00 alex_a              hi magnus_away
10:00 alex_a              :(
10:00 alex_a              too late
10:18 druthb              o/
10:22 rangi               hi druthb
10:24 druthb              hi, rangi.
10:56 kf                  rangi++
10:56 kf                  thx for signing off :)
10:57 rangi               no worries
10:57 rangi               i ran out of brain power to test more
10:59 kf                  I will try to spend some of my brain power on them tonight
10:59 kf                  but there are a lot of things in the queue now waiting for soemthing else to be pushed or very difficult to test
11:00 kf                  or perhaps not dificult, but where I have no idea how to do it
11:00 kf                  ok, break is over
11:00 rangi               yep, if you dont know
11:00 rangi               feel free to update the wr and ask for a test plan
11:07 rangi               and by wr i mean bug :)
11:15 conan               good morning all
11:32 mtj                 @wunder mordor
11:32 huginn`             mtj: Error: No such location could be found.
11:39 conan               mtj: I think you can find it by being more specific
11:42 jwagner             @wunder barad-dur
11:42 huginn`             jwagner: Error: No such location could be found.
11:42 jwagner             Nope....
11:56 conan               ah
11:56 conan               jeje
11:56 conan               frenchs should be up already, are they?
11:56 conan               paul_p: you around?
11:56 paul_p              conan, at a meeting, but around
11:57 conan               paul_p: do I need to go all the way from bug 6328 to the other bugs it's blocking to get fine in days?
11:57 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
11:57 conan               or is it enough to apply 6328 patches?
11:58 conan               for example, 6328 blocks 5872, will I need the stuff related to 5872 too?
11:58 conan               or just applying 6328 patches will I be set?
11:58 conan               on a 3.4 install
11:59 paul_p              conan, nope. 6328 blocks 5872, it means you must have 6328 to fix 5872, but not the opposite
12:00 conan               thanks
12:16 oleonard            Hi #koha
12:17 NateC               morning #koha!
12:23 conan               hi oleonard
12:23 conan               an NateC
12:23 conan               *and
12:23 * conan             just broke his git repo:(
12:24 conan               I applied some patches, then I realized my "git checkout -b blabla <from>" was missing the <from> part
12:24 conan               so I started again
12:25 conan               removed the branch completely and created a new one, properly based on v3.4 tag, but the new one I called the same as the one I just removed
12:25 conan               now when I try to apply the patch, git says:
12:26 conan               previous rebase directory /home/koha/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given.
12:26 conan               and I see there's some stuff related to the patch in .git/rebase-apply directory
12:31 conan               found it! -> git am --abort
12:31 conan               kohalogs++
12:45 conan               bah... new problem
12:46 conan               I applied the patch, realized I was in the wrong branch, removed branch, created new one but now the same patch gives errors (!?)
12:46 conan               it says:
12:46 conan               warning: squelched 1 whitespace error
12:46 conan               warning: 6 lines add whitespace errors.
12:46 conan               Falling back to patching base and 3-way merge...
12:47 oleonard            Is that the end of the messages?
12:47 oleonard            Because that's just a warning
12:47 oleonard            The patch applied okay
12:52 conan               oleonard: no, there was a mismatch with kohaversion.pkl file
12:52 conan               I already resolved
12:52 conan               but found this
12:52 conan               this patch applies cleanly to master
12:52 conan               that's why I haven't any problems the first time
12:52 conan               but it doesn't apply cleanly to 3.4
12:52 conan               should I modify bug 6328 to state that?
12:52 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
12:53 conan               it says it's 3.4 related at the beginning
12:56 oleonard            You could post a comment on the bug which says so, but you shouldn't mark it as  'does not apply'
12:57 paul_p              mmm... it applied a few days ago. conan, are you sure your repo is clean ?
12:57 paul_p              (good morning oleonard )
12:57 oleonard            paul_p: It applies to master but not 3.4 apparently
12:58 paul_p              oups, OK, missed that.
12:58 * oleonard          confirms the patches apply to master
12:58 paul_p              it applied to master, yes.
12:58 paul_p              s/applied/applies/
12:58 conan               I just added the comment, there's also a bug in updatedatabase.pl
12:59 conan               paul_p: What do you mean clean? I did a 'git checkout -b test6328 v3.04.00'
12:59 conan               paul_p: is that enough cleanlyness?
13:00 paul_p              conan, I haven't tested vs 3.4, so it's possible it does not apply. Forget my question ;-)
13:00 conan               paul_p: what I was asking about is if we should change 'version'
13:01 conan               because it says 3.4 now, and someone, like myself, could think this applies cleanly to 3.4
13:03 rangi               that is old 3.4.x
13:03 rangi               doing that checkout checks out 3.4.0 .. if you want to test it properly against 3.4.x
13:03 rangi               checkout a branch based on 3.4.x
13:03 * druthb            wonders what rangi is doing awake!
13:03 * oleonard          too
13:03 conan               yes, I want to try this on a 3.4 based branch
13:04 rangi               then checkout 3.4.x
13:04 conan               ahhhhhh
13:04 rangi               not the tag of when 3.4.0 was released
13:04 rangi               thats a month old now
13:04 conan               ah, ok, how do I do that? there's no 3.4.x tag
13:05 * conan             feels like a complete newbie now
13:05 rangi               you checkout the branch, not the tag
13:05 rangi               a tag points to a commit
13:05 rangi               there is a 3.4.x branch
13:05 conan               rangi: thanks, found it now
13:05 rangi               git checkout -b my3.4.x origin/3.4.x
13:05 kf_away             rangi: go to bed ;)
13:08 kf_away             break over, will be back
13:08 conan               meh.... same merging problem with: git checkout -b v3.04.x.with.6328 origin/3.4.x
13:08 conan               will test if it also fails the update... gimme a minute
13:14 oleonard            Good morning sekjal
13:14 sekjal              morning, oleonard!
13:24 newa                hello everyong
13:24 sekjal              hi, newa
13:25 newa                did anyone go solution for Report and Label creation on v3.4
13:25 newa                it tried 3.4.1 and i got same problem still
13:26 wizzyrea            which problem?
13:26 newa                batch export during Label Creationg
13:26 newa                creation*
13:28 conan               paul_p: I see that 6328 doesn't change table accountlines to properly show the suspension as a day period, and not as a $$$ fine, like it's now
13:28 conan               I mean, you're using the column planed for $ to store days, am I correct?
13:28 paul_p              conan, nope
13:29 paul_p              the fine is stored in borrowers.debarred, that is now a date.
13:29 paul_p              (the date of the end of the fine)
13:31 newa                wizzyrea : ??
13:36 newa                ?
13:36 newa                seems nooone here
13:37 conan               paul_p: hum... no
13:37 wizzyrea            if this is the problem you are referring to: bug 6343, then it looks like there was a patch for it very late last week
13:37 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6343 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Label Creator not working , Current Branch: NULL
13:38 conan               paul_p: select debarred from borrowers where debarred is not null; gives empty
13:38 conan               and I have a suspended user
13:38 conan               also accountlines is saving an ammount of 5 while I haven't set any ammount in the only circulation rule
13:39 conan               the suspension isn't stored anywhere in the database
13:39 conan               you're doing the calculation on the fly based on data from old_issues
13:39 paul_p              conan, the debarment is calculated when you check-in the book
13:39 conan               paul_p: yes, but it's not saved anywhere
13:40 paul_p              if you want to debar immediatly when the user is 1 day late, then it's somewhere else
13:40 paul_p              (before he check-in)
13:40 paul_p              tools > overdues notification
13:40 paul_p              check the box "debar" if when you want to debar a patron
13:42 conan               yes, that's correct, it serves to suspend even if the book is still not checked in
13:43 conan               borrowers.debarred didn't get any value
13:44 conan               remaining suspension days is calculated on the fly from old_issues
13:44 conan               so one cannot administer that, because there's no value to touch
13:44 conan               what if I need to un-suspend someone?
13:48 conan               anyway, I think we could use it like it is for now. I'm focusing in unimportant details. What really trigger some alarms for me is that I defined only one rule with no $$$ settings at all and I ended up with no data in borrowers.debarred and a 5 bucks fine in accountlines
13:49 conan               I was expecting to have the date until users was debarred in borrowers.debarred, and absolutely nothing in accountlines, since set my rule with no $$
13:52 * oleonard          suspects something has changed in the way Koha calculates due date around holidays
13:52 wizzyrea            oleonard: how so? (I think we see that too)
13:53 oleonard            I'm still trying to pin it down. What we noticed this week was that our due dates seemed to be offset ahead by one day because of memorial day being set as a holiday
13:53 wizzyrea            Yes!
13:53 wizzyrea            We've seen that too!
13:53 oleonard            But my test system seems to do even more messing up than our production system
13:53 wizzyrea            o dear
13:55 oleonard            I have a holiday set in my test system on May 30. No other holidays set.
13:56 oleonard            Loan period of 14 days (default library, default patron)
13:56 oleonard            Checking out a book puts the due date on June 15th
13:56 oleonard            3 weeks and one day?
13:58 jwagner             oleonard, what is your useDaysMode syspref set to?
13:59 wizzyrea            mine does the same, and it's set to "the calendar to skip all days the library is closed
14:00 oleonard            My test system was set to that. But there was only one day to skip. Why the extra week?
14:00 oleonard            and pushing the due date to the next open day should only happen if the due date falls on the holiday, not for all due dates
14:02 oleonard            switching my test system to "push the due date to the next open day" results in a due date of June 7th
14:02 oleonard            Hmmm... Is it calculating the due date based on the holding branch of the item?
14:03 jwagner             I don't know what the newer syspref descriptions match up to.  I have found that having that set to Calendar (the old description) meant that the loan period was extended by a day if a holiday was found anywhere in the loan period (not just the due date).  I don't know why that would add an extra week on, though.
14:04 conan               paul_p: the way I see the patches are working is: accountlines.amount gets issuingrules.finedays (saving days into a money oriented field), also the suspension is calculated on the fly from old_issues date fields if you try to loan a book to a suspended user
14:04 conan               paul_p: so we are getting info from two places
14:05 oleonard            The extra week must have been because CircControl was set to "the library the item is from"
14:05 oleonard            ...which was different from what our production system has
14:06 conan               paul_p: for example, if I delete the info from accountlines, the user doesn't show a fine anymore (which shouldn't have had in the first place, because we fine in days) but you still cannot loan items to the user
14:07 oleonard            Why do we have CircControl  and HomeOrHoldingBranch ?
14:07 conan               we need to have the loan-blocking information in only one place
14:07 oleonard            Don't they do the same thing?
14:11 wizzyrea            heh, no
14:11 wizzyrea            there was a thread about that on the mailing list about a week or so ago
14:11 conan               oleonard: nopes
14:11 * oleonard          thought it sounded familiar
14:12 oleonard            Too bad they have the exact same description
14:12 wizzyrea            I know!
14:13 conan               oleonard: if circontrol is PickupLibrary one thing happens, if it's PatronLibrary  another, and if it's  ItemHomeLibrary then enters the battlefield  HomeOrHoldingBranch
14:14 conan               oleonard: however, depending on your settings you can have only two possible cases between those 4
14:15 conan               in our case HomeOrHoldingBranch doesn't make a difference, the item has both fields with the same information
14:16 conan               also we don't allow an item from libraryA to be picked up  in library B
14:16 conan               so in our case we only have to decide between PAtronLibrary and PickupLibrary
14:25 oleonard            Okay so now my test system matches my production system in the outcome: The due date is pushed forward by one day even though it doesn't fall on the holiday
14:39 oleonard            wizzyrea: Bug 6398
14:39 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6398 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Holidays cause date due to be improperly calculated
14:52 wizzyrea            *nod* thanks
14:54 oleonard            wizzyrea: Do you guys use OverDrive?
14:54 wizzyrea            the state has/had a contract with them
14:54 wizzyrea            so yes, indirectly
14:55 oleonard            But it isn't tied to your Koha system?
14:55 wizzyrea            no sir
14:55 oleonard            Do you think the service works well?
14:57 wizzyrea            Overdrive? I think it's confusing, too platform specific, requires too much from people regarding authentication (they ahve to have a state library card, AND an adobe ID), is difficult to learn, and isn't very open.
14:57 wizzyrea            and it won't afaict work on any linux system.
14:58 wizzyrea            do they have stuff that people want? Yea, sure.
14:59 wizzyrea            will people use it? Yea, probably. Will they like it? Maybe not. Will they swear at the library? Possibly.
14:59 wizzyrea            and then go buy a kindle and say screw you? most likely.
14:59 oleonard            Oh boy, lots to look forward to!
14:59 gmcharlt            and, for all it's faults, DRM, and clunky software, it along with a service by Ingram are the only big games in town for library ebook lending at the moment
15:00 wizzyrea            ^^ that too
15:00 wizzyrea            it's a bad deal all around imo.
15:00 wizzyrea            the whole libraries + ebook thing
15:09 rhcl                [off]Overdrive sucks. It has so many different licensing schemes for different devices and different companies and different days of the week and different moon phases you need a database to find out what you can and can't do, mostly can't, and when.
15:09 oleonard            [off] Too bad my boss didn't ask you guys
15:09 rhcl                And Overdrive doesn't work with Linux because they use stupid activeX in IE.
15:09 wizzyrea            oh yea, rhcl uses overdrive
15:10 oleonard            You mean you have to use IE to use Overdrive?
15:10 rhcl                [off]not just no, but H* no rhcl doesn't. I can't.
15:10 oleonard            I think we've hidden IE on most of our machines
15:11 rhcl                now the library got goat roped into some cabal scheme without talking to me first, and the library pays for the "service".
15:11 * wizzyrea          wishes rhcl would tell us how he really feels
15:12 wizzyrea            ^.^
15:12 oleonard            I wonder why the Template:Toolkit count variable isn't working for me
15:13 rhcl                wrong moon phase for TT?
15:16 rhcl                [off]There's a lot of shinola you don't find out about Overdrive, like the activeX, until after you sign the check. I'm thinking, hoping, that when our term is served we'll withdraw from this unholy alliance.
15:18 wizzyrea            sql report library?
15:18 wahanui             it has been said that sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
15:27 wizzyrea            druthb++ jcamins++ for their lovely reports about dupes
15:28 druthb              :)
15:46 NCARMichael         howdy doo
15:52 danmc               I'm thinking maybe koha- doesn't quite work right with x.y.z version number comparisons
15:55 conan               danmc: why?
15:55 conan               NCARMichael: hi
15:55 wahanui             salut, conan
15:56 danmc               conan:  I have Graphics::Magick version 1.3.12 installed, min version is 1.3.5 and koha_perl_deps.pl says I need a newer version
15:56 NCARMichael         more Reports questions...
15:57 NCARMichael         so, i want to search for a particular string that appears in z - public note.
15:57 NCARMichael         (item level)
15:57 wizzyrea            graphicsmagick?
15:57 wahanui             i think graphicsmagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11.
15:57 NCARMichael         any ideas?
15:58 danmc               it appears that that version_info() in that perl file uses "lt" (i.e. string less than) to compare version strings
15:58 danmc               and in fact 1.3.12 is less than 1.3.5 in a string compare sense
15:58 danmc               needs a dewey compare not a string compare
15:58 wizzyrea            NCARMichael: I think there's a report in the library that pulls things out of marc fields
15:59 NCARMichael         (looking)
16:00 wizzyrea            the one in there has something to do with subjects, but the principle is the same I think
16:00 oleonard            What is items.itemnotes?
16:01 NCARMichael         "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects"?
16:01 wizzyrea            o ya, is that the public note? could be, that would make it easier
16:02 danmc               wizzyrea:  it looks like graphicsmagick is used for patron cards
16:02 wizzyrea            yep
16:02 wizzyrea            i say "graphicsmagick?" because that makes wahanui answer with useful information
16:03 danmc               ah.  I understand.
16:03 danmc               ok.  the update message is I assume becuase of the "string less than" compare used on version strings.
16:04 wizzyrea            yup, it's not broken, you can ignore it
16:04 pastebot            "NCARMichael" at pasted "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/57
16:05 NCARMichael         okay, i'm now figuring how to edit this to search for keyword in public note
16:07 NCARMichael         (lost)
16:09 NCARMichael         (confused)
16:15 NCARMichael         one thing that's confusing is that this report is searching on a field from the MARC record (650a).
16:15 NCARMichael         whereas I'm interested in an ITEM-LEVEL field (z - Public note)
16:15 NCARMichael         That's not gonna have a MARC tag, is it?
16:17 oleonard            NCARMichael: Try 952z
16:19 library_systems_guy if i commit div ID's to get should i include some kind of test procedure in the message?
16:19 library_systems_guy or is it simple enough to check a div id?
16:20 cait                I think it is simple enough - not sure you can really test it
16:20 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6402] Lists sorted by year appear to be empty <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6402>
16:20 cait                but someone might disagree :)
16:20 cait                hi library_systems_guy
16:20 library_systems_guy lol check the page output :p and hey cait
16:21 cait                remember you can add id's to all and everything, doesn't need to be a div
16:22 oleonard            As long as the ID is unique on the page
16:22 library_systems_guy right...i just added a div in the advsearch page since it was missing the yui-main tag
16:22 NCARMichael         952z may've actually worked! standby...
16:22 library_systems_guy right...wouldn't want conflicting id's
16:23 conan               later
16:24 rhcl                http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal-tech/tablets/229625424
16:27 rhcl                lsg: did you resolve your zebra issue?
16:30 rhcl                wizzyrea: u getting rained upon?
16:30 wizzyrea            nope
16:30 wizzyrea            not yet
16:30 wizzyrea            that squall line looks mean though
16:30 rhcl                accuweather has you right in the middle of their map
16:31 wizzyrea            http://6lawrence.com/weather/radar-images/?fID=27
16:31 wizzyrea            is the one I"m looking at
16:32 rhcl                interesting, that shows lawrence mostly to the bottom edge of the activity area
16:32 wizzyrea            ya
16:32 wizzyrea            i thought it might skirt north
16:32 wizzyrea            doesn't look like it will though
16:32 wizzyrea            wind's out of the east, it could be a wild day
16:42 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5680] When deleting an order, delete attached items, and if applicable biblio <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5680>
16:55 wizzyrea            haha oy that bug that allowed epic logins with cardnumbers... we had patrons logging in with their new barcode number but still had the old number in their opac login (because the staff didn't update the login)
16:55 wizzyrea            and now they're mad that their login "changed"
16:56 wizzyrea            but it didn't, it's just not allowing them to log in with the new number anymore.
16:56 wizzyrea            solution: update the opac login :P
17:03 wizzyrea            hmm. I need a report that checks for cardnumbers in OPAC logins that don't match. It would be nice if the report only reported opac logins that were numeric only
17:03 wizzyrea            possible?
17:04 wizzyrea            cardnumbers in opac logins that don't match the cardnumber currently assigned
17:06 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5020] on patron record sex should be gender <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5020>
17:38 sekjal              wizzyrea:  SELECT borrowernumber FROM borrowers WHERE cardnumber != userid AND userid REGEXP '[[::digit::]]+'
17:39 sekjal              that should be a start to it (haven't tested yet)
17:39 wizzyrea            oooo! sekjal! that is sweet! <tries it>
17:44 wizzyrea            hmm something awry with the regex
17:45 wizzyrea            but, that's def a start :D
17:45 wizzyrea            sekjal++
17:45 sekjal              yay for starts
17:48 sekjal              oleonard:  any experience/opinions on JQuery plugins to fix a table's header when scrolling?
17:49 wizzyrea            SELECT borrowernumber FROM borrowers WHERE cardnumber != userid AND userid REGEXP '[[:digit:]]+' gets it
17:49 oleonard            sekjal: My personal experience has always been poor, but I don't know what tools were used
17:49 oleonard            sekjal: The first problem is that it's unexpected behavior
17:49 oleonard            sekjal: The second common problem in my experience is that it performs badly (jumpy or slow)
17:50 sekjal              oleonard:  thanks.  I've got a partner asking after keeping the column headers visible on the edit items screen, and was wondering if JQuery would be the easiest way to go
17:51 wizzyrea            imo that's one place that kind of makes sense to do that
17:51 oleonard            Yes, I think very specialized interfaces are the best candidates
17:51 sekjal              I think that whole page's interface could stand to be revised
17:52 wizzyrea            do they know about the "click in any box to edit" trick?
17:52 sekjal              perhaps with some way to filter columns for values or ranges
17:52 wizzyrea            you can hide unused columns using frameworks
17:52 wizzyrea            which helps some
17:52 sekjal              wizzyrea: I believe so, but they want to know which column means what when they're 40-50 items down the list
17:52 wizzyrea            ah yea
17:52 wizzyrea            no way around that one :/
17:53 sekjal              pull the headers out into a separate table and div?
17:54 library_systems_guy sekjal, maybe this http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html
17:54 library_systems_guy don't know if it will work in your situation
17:55 wizzyrea            as long as they line up i'm not sure it matters how it's constructed? But I'm not super picky that way
17:55 wizzyrea            that might not be "proper"
17:56 sekjal              library_systems_guy:  that could work
17:57 wizzyrea            yea, that looks pretty nice actually
17:57 library_systems_guy i always prefer a css solution to jquery any day
18:03 sekjal              the HTML structure doesn't support this so well, so we'd need to make that update before we could implement this, but it's very promising
18:14 coryj               We are closing a branch and moving the books to a new branch.  All books need to be re-barcoded and having the branch code changed.
18:14 coryj               Can I just update the barcde and homebranch fields directly in items?
18:28 sekjal              coryj:  if you're on anything pre-3.4, updating the items table directly will desynchronize your database and your index, and your search results will get screwed up
18:28 sekjal              (you wouldn't be able to search by the new barcode)
18:29 sekjal              best to use the batch Item Modification tool for this
18:29 sekjal              coryj:  what version are you running?
18:31 coryj                  3.2
18:32 cait                sekjal: I think you could also update the items table and use the sync script
18:32 cait                we did that in the past, I noted no problems
18:32 wizzyrea            cait's fast, I was gonna suggest taht
18:32 sekjal              cait:  yes, that'd also work
18:33 sekjal              but it's slower and more commandline intensive than using batch item mod
18:33 cait                hi liz and sekjal
18:33 sekjal              cait: hi!
18:33 wizzyrea            hi cait :)
18:33 cait                sekjal: I got a request from a student, asking if there is a spanish demo she could point the librarian at
18:34 cait                do you think it would be possible to activate spanish on your demo?
18:34 cait                I checked the language shows up in sys prefs, but I was not able to switch to it
18:34 sekjal              cait:  I'll look into it
18:34 cait                or does someone know a spanish demo?
18:35 cait                sekjal: thx a lot
18:35 coryj               sekjal: I see how batch items mod would work for branch code, but not for assigning new barcode numbers
18:36 sekjal              coryj:  hmmm, yes, good point
18:36 wizzyrea            I assume if you're ok directly modifying the db, then you'd be ok with the sync script on the command line?
18:36 cait                coryj: there is a script you can run after updating the item tables that will sync items with the xml fields
18:36 sekjal              I assume there is a strict mapping from old barcode format to new?
18:37 coryj               sekjal: I only wish
18:38 cait                sekjal: thxa lotfor looking at it
18:38 coryj               We have multiple branches with duplicate printed BCs between them.  Right now a bit of magic is done to "uniquify" (lol) the BC based on logged in branch.
18:38 sekjal              coryj:  ah, yes, this is familiar
18:38 coryj               But we need to merge collections from two branches now so that won't help
18:39 coryj               sekjal: Script is misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl right?
18:39 sekjal              coryj: correct
18:40 coryj               thanks
18:40 coryj               sekjal++
18:40 coryj               hrm.
18:42 coryj               @karma sekjal
18:42 huginn`             coryj: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 106 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 105.
18:47 coryj               sekjal: No need to update zebra indexes afterwards is there?
18:47 sekjal              coryj:  after you run the sync script, yes, you'll need to reindex
18:49 coryj               sekjal: thanks again.  And thanks cait
18:49 coryj               cait++
18:49 cait                you are welcome
18:51 sekjal              glad to help, coryj
19:01 library_systems_guy I have a newb question.  I have made changes to my local copy of Koha and want to update but i can't rebase because i have unstaged changes
19:02 library_systems_guy what is the procedure for that?
19:02 hdl                 git stash save
19:02 hdl                 git rebase
19:02 hdl                 git stash apply
19:02 hdl                 HTH
19:02 library_systems_guy thanks hdl
19:02 library_systems_guy hdl++
19:22 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6395] cannot create routing list - template error? <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6395>
19:25 hdl                 sekjal: rangi any patch with a precommit hook on koha ?
19:25 hdl                 rangi: I can't find the pre-commit hook you proposed
19:34 hdl                 just saw that the pre-commit hook now has some checks for bad merges and white spaces.
19:34 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5917] Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917>
19:38 hdl                 @later tell rangi access changed on the wip/koha-biblibre.git. I can't pull from that repo. Fine. Noone but me had accesss. But then you could remove that wip/koha-biblibre.git, unless you need that.
19:38 huginn`             hdl: The operation succeeded.
19:52 rangi               hdl: you can't pull or can't push? and I haven't changed anything ill ask gmcharlt
19:52 cait                morning rangi
19:53 hdl                 hi rangi can't pull
19:53 rangi               morning
19:53 hdl                 maybe it is ok... But still, i find it strange.
19:54 oleonard            rangi: If we're signing off on a patch which is already attached to a bug report should we be attaching the signed-off patch too?
19:54 * oleonard          notices some people do this but didn't know if it was required
19:54 rangi               yes please
19:54 rangi               not required
19:54 rangi               makes our lives easier tho
19:54 gmcharlt            hdl: both your keys have r/w access to wip/koha-biblire
19:54 oleonard            easier++
19:54 rangi               obsoleting the old one is good too
19:55 rangi               then I can use git bz
19:55 gmcharlt            and git clone git://git.koha-community.org/wip/koha-biblibre.git works, so it's not a git-daemon problem
19:55 rangi               git bz apply 6000
19:55 rangi               etc
19:55 * oleonard          wonders if his children are revised patches to make him obsolete
19:56 hdl                 gmcharlt: i am using ssh
19:56 rangi               heh
19:56 hdl                 not git.
19:56 hdl                 protocol
19:56 * wizzyrea          wouldn't sign off on that
19:56 wizzyrea            oleonard shall never be obsoleted!
19:57 * oleonard          wants to know more about git bz
19:57 gmcharlt            hdl: it appears that at one point  you completely wiped the original HEAD in that repo
19:58 rangi               if you are around when I get to work ill show u
19:58 gmcharlt            since it's no longer a Koha tree per se, what branch do you want to nominate as its master?
19:58 * wizzyrea          wants that too
19:58 rangi               there is a bug, but I sent a patch, and for now u can grab a copy from my repo until upstream apply it
19:59 * oleonard          must leave shortly but will catch up in the log
19:59 rangi               right im 20 mins away from my desk and notes
19:59 hdl                 I never pushed a master branch.
19:59 rangi               ill show wizzyrea
19:59 wizzyrea            ^.^ yay!
20:00 hdl                 gmcharlt: bug5872 should be a good guess
20:01 hdl                 others too old
20:02 cait                hmpf
20:02 cait                want to learn about git bz too :)
20:02 wizzyrea            you can learn wif me!
20:02 * wizzyrea          grabs cait and squees a bit
20:03 gmcharlt            hdl: ok, done - try now
20:03 cait                hehe
20:03 cait                wizzyrea: you have much more energy than me
20:03 sekjal              wizzyrea and cait:  take notes, if you please
20:08 hdl                 gmcharlt: seems to work ok now.
20:08 gmcharlt            cool
20:08 hdl                 thanks
20:08 hdl                 gmcharlt++
20:08 gmcharlt            hdl: I suggest pushing community master as the new master branch of that repo - I can then reset the head
20:09 gmcharlt            will make it easier for other users of that repo
20:14 hdl                 gmcharlt: master should be pulled automatically on a regular based in that repo then. It would seem nonesense not to keep that synched... And this repo is only used for important branches.
20:14 gmcharlt            hdl: I can set up automatic syncing of master for you
20:14 hdl                 thanks
20:15 gmcharlt            any other branches (like 3.4.x) that you want automatically updated from public?
20:15 hdl                 I will ask clrh to send you his public key so that she is able to push there too.
20:16 hdl                 3.4.x could be helpful too.
20:20 gmcharlt            kk
20:21 hdl                 gmcharlt: thanks
20:22 rangi               bb in a few
20:41 hdl                 going to bed.
20:41 rangi               sleep well hdl
20:42 rangi               darn was gonna ask sekjal something
20:42 gmcharlt            @later tell hdl now set up; should update your repo next time there is a push to master or 3.4.x
20:42 huginn`             gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
20:42 hdl                 thanks gmcharlt
20:45 rangi               ok, wizzyrea ready to play with git-bz ?
20:45 wizzyrea            yessir
20:45 rangi               git clone git://gitorious.org/git-bz/git-bz.git
20:46 wizzyrea            right, i've got that
20:46 rangi               (thats my patched version)
20:46 wizzyrea            ooo
20:46 wizzyrea            k
20:46 wizzyrea            sec
20:47 wizzyrea            k done
20:47 rangi               right, symlink it somewhere thats in your path
20:47 rangi               eg
20:48 rangi               sudo ln -s /home/chrisc/git/git-bz/git-bz /usr/sbin/git-bz
20:48 wizzyrea            done
20:48 rangi               then change to you koha git checkout
20:48 rangi               cd /home/chrisc/git/koha
20:48 rangi               then run
20:49 rangi               git config bz.default-tracker bugs.koha-community.org
20:49 wizzyrea            done
20:49 rangi               git config bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.path /bugzilla3
20:50 wizzyrea            done
20:50 wizzyrea            (i'm making clean notes, not just logs)
20:50 rangi               ok here we go
20:50 rangi               git checkout -b bug_6402 origin/master
20:50 wizzyrea            done
20:50 rangi               git bz apply 6402
20:51 wizzyrea            git-bz?
20:51 wizzyrea            hmm
20:51 wizzyrea            it's mad at me sec
20:51 rangi               git bz (not git-bz)
20:52 wizzyrea            k
20:53 wizzyrea            it thinks it's not a git command
20:54 wizzyrea            the symlink is in, the files are there
20:56 wizzyrea            hrm
20:57 Space_Librarian     morning all.
20:58 rangi               sorry work calls, ill be back in a sec
20:58 wizzyrea            np np
20:58 pianohacker         hi wiz
20:58 wizzyrea            hi ph :)
20:58 wizzyrea            and good morning Space_Librarian
20:59 Space_Librarian     good evening wizzyrea. Good day? No horrific weather patterns? :)
20:59 wizzyrea            not yet, supposedly tonight :)
20:59 wizzyrea            the fun of may in kansas
21:00 rhcl                we got terribly rained upon!
21:00 Space_Librarian     sounds like it...
21:00 wizzyrea            they don't call us tornado alley for nothin
21:00 wizzyrea            oh ya st jo kinda got hammered by rain
21:00 rhcl                and a little bit of hail mixed in
21:00 wizzyrea            pretty much skipped us over
21:02 wizzyrea            some tornadoes out west, about 5-6 hours away
21:02 wizzyrea            (driving time)
21:05 Space_Librarian     O.o
21:06 rangi               ok back
21:06 rangi               so git bz is not working?
21:06 rangi               if you run git-bz is it?
21:07 rangi               hi JesseM
21:07 JesseM              hey rangi !!
21:13 rangi               heya JesseM hows things going with the new addition?
21:14 JesseM              Everything is going great!! just trying to get used to the sleepless nights agian :)
21:14 rangi               :)
21:17 JesseM              rangi: How was your Bday celebrations? Do any thing fun?
21:17 wizzyrea            no, sadly, I'm poking at it but got sidetracked by a "omg I deleted something important from the server can you restore it"
21:17 wizzyrea            fortunately the backups worked just peachy
21:17 rangi               laurel and I drove up to auckland had a couple of nights without the kids
21:17 wizzyrea            backups++
21:18 rangi               sleep++
21:18 wizzyrea            trips_away_without_the_kids++
21:18 JesseM              very nice :)
21:21 wizzyrea            ok now
21:21 wizzyrea            it is mad about invalid syntax
21:22 rangi               what does it actually say?
21:22 wizzyrea            http://screencast.com/t/S4OkkCMvKk
21:23 rangi               hmm lets try this
21:23 wizzyrea            seems odd that it has two slashes
21:23 rangi               thats harmless (just a typo in the ln probably)
21:23 wizzyrea            k
21:24 rangi               git config bz.default-product Koha
21:25 rangi               and then try
21:25 rangi               python -V
21:25 wizzyrea            2.6.6
21:25 wizzyrea            same result
21:26 rangi               right im running 2.7.1
21:26 rangi               i wonder if thats the issue
21:26 wizzyrea            aha
21:26 rangi               python -V
21:26 rangi               Python 2.7.1+
21:27 wizzyrea            k i'm on that
21:27 wizzyrea            sec
21:32 wizzyrea            it's working
21:32 wizzyrea            on python
21:32 wizzyrea            not bz :P
21:32 rangi               ?
21:32 wizzyrea            that is to say, it's working on getting the newer python installed
21:33 rangi               ah ok
21:33 rangi               use more words :P
21:33 wizzyrea            sorry!
21:40 wizzyrea            crikey, that's not it. I wonder if the git configs aren't sticking somehow?
21:40 wizzyrea            where are they kept?
21:41 wizzyrea            nm, answered my own question sec
21:41 wizzyrea            do you have to set up a login somehow?
21:41 rangi               nope it wont be the config if its complaining about a syntax error
21:42 rangi               lemme check something
21:42 rangi               ahh my bad
21:43 rangi               try a git pull now
21:44 pastebot            "wizzyrea" at pasted "erreur" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58
21:44 rangi               yay!
21:45 wizzyrea            :)
21:46 rangi               try sudo apt-get install python-httplib
21:47 rangi               sorry
21:47 rangi               try sudo apt-get install python-httplib2
21:47 wizzyrea            aha
21:47 wizzyrea            YAY
21:48 wizzyrea            it works!
21:48 wizzyrea            victory!
21:48 wizzyrea            rangi++
21:54 rangi               yay
21:56 wizzyrea            so lesson two, for a bit later I think, is how to push one up?
21:56 wizzyrea            and yes, for those of you reading the backlog, I have very good notes on what fixed it :)
21:57 wizzyrea            ok, i have to jet to get the wee tater
21:59 rangi               git attach
21:59 rangi               read the git-bz.txt for more :)
22:22 Space_Librarian     hey Ruth!
22:22 druthb              hiyas.  :D
22:23 rangi               3384 - 2008
22:23 wahanui             1376
22:24 bg                  wahanui your response should have been LAME
22:24 wahanui             bg: excuse me?
22:24 rangi               http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/05/25/new-batch-of-statistics/
22:28 Space_Librarian     interesting...
22:28 wahanui             interesting is good
22:28 Space_Librarian     yes, yes it is. Smart bot you got there. :)
22:34 Space_Librarian     hey Irma
22:34 Space_Librarian     how's Sydney? :)
22:39 Irma                g'day Space_Librarian grrrr so cold and really windy!
22:40 Irma                southerly window panes are dancing a salsa in their frames!
22:40 Space_Librarian     So winter's finally made it? As long as it's not raining when I visit, all shall be well. :)
22:40 Space_Librarian     That southerly is chilly though!
22:40 Irma                Sydney dates and time for coffee?
22:41 Space_Librarian     I think that can be arranged. :)
22:41 Irma                Nice!
22:51 * rangi             hopes wizzyrea will write up the git bz stuff for the wiki
22:54 eythian             hello
22:54 wahanui             niihau, eythian
23:06 * druthb            waves to pianohacker.
23:08 pianohacker         allo
23:45 pianohacker         "We are upgrading from Koha to" <-- If I disappear, I died bravely
23:48 rangi               heh that is fairly brave
23:48 rangi               id probably go to
23:49 rangi               remember to read the UPGRADE section
23:49 rangi               items have been removed from the marc, so you need to run the script to do that
23:49 pianohacker         ah, thanks rangi
23:50 pianohacker         rangi++
23:50 pianohacker         (not that you need it)