Time Nick Message 22:05 rangi darn missed pauln 21:05 pauln hey chrisx2 20:51 cait good night all :) 20:49 rangi i think i signed that off the other day 20:49 wizzyrea glad someone caught that :) 20:49 wizzyrea oh good I just ran up against that "help popup doesn't work" today 20:43 SteveJ Although one of our vp's has more books in his office than all but one of our libraries (several thousand). 20:42 rangi :) 20:42 SteveJ I would call ours the "VP-and-Director's-offices-are-branch-libraries" problem. 20:41 NCARMichael indeed 20:38 gmcharlt ah, the professor's-offices-are-branch-libraries problem? 20:37 SteveJ 1993? Yikes. We only have items checked out back to 99. 20:36 NCARMichael bothered to check the items out in the first place. many don't. 20:36 NCARMichael yeah, people treat our library as their personal library. actually, i'm grateful that they 20:35 gmcharlt (and good luck with the 1993 bunch ;) ) 20:35 gmcharlt understood 20:34 NCARMichael (i want to send an overdue notice to all on the subset) 20:34 NCARMichael i'll send u an email about it. 20:33 NCARMichael oh hi galen. 20:33 gmcharlt NCARMichael: sure 20:32 wizzyrea what were you wanting to do with the subset? 20:32 NCARMichael Shall I just send him an email about it, ya think? 20:31 NCARMichael Likely Galen will hafta do this for me... 20:31 NCARMichael but a subset: items with duedate <= 3/17/2011 20:30 NCARMichael what i'd like to do is somehow send out ONE email to each of these patrons with overdue items. 20:30 NCARMichael i've set up my overdue notices today and they're good to go. but.. 20:29 NCARMichael duedates ranging from 1/4/1993 to today 20:28 NCARMichael anyway, i have a huge list here. 587 items overdue. 20:28 NCARMichael ah, ok. sry 20:28 wizzyrea fastest way I know :P 20:28 wizzyrea no no, I was just getting the link for myself :P 20:28 NCARMichael hear me out, it's not about creating a report 20:27 wahanui reports library is probably found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 20:27 wizzyrea reports library? 20:27 NCARMichael so...circ reports: overdues 20:26 NCARMichael right. (thx gmc) 20:26 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 20:26 wizzyrea gmcharlt did most of the work ;) 20:25 NCARMichael sweet. it works. thx Wiz. one more question. 20:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w 20:25 cait bug 4506 is in 20:23 cait you shoudl drop the developer a note perhaps and ask 20:23 cait i am not sure about the status of the work 20:22 cait SteveJ: some problems were found that need to be addressed before it can be merged 20:22 cait SteveJ: there is a branch that still needs some work 20:21 NCARMichael okay, i'll give it a shot 20:21 wizzyrea on the end 20:21 NCARMichael where in the code do I stick "order by..." 20:19 SteveJ ok, so the bulk of it did not make it into 3.4, so is someone working on it for 3.6? 20:19 wizzyrea (or whatever the field is I always have to look that one up) 20:18 cait bye oleonard 20:18 cait but you can catalog analytics using $w subfields and control numbers in 001 20:18 wizzyrea order by items.itemcallnumber asc 20:18 * oleonard waves on his way out 20:18 cait the one that is close to that rfc didn't make it 20:18 cait there were 2 developments for analytic support 20:16 SteveJ rfc, not rfp 20:15 SteveJ Anyone know what the status is of this 3.4 rfp and what parts actually made it into 3.4? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytic_Record_support 20:14 NCARMichael now to give the user an ordering option... 20:13 NCARMichael okay, now it's working! 20:12 NCARMichael lemme try again...i had removed a couple of things from the initial list. 20:12 wizzyrea NCARMichael: that same report gave me results 20:10 sekjal it certainly needs doing 20:10 sekjal oleonard: I don't believe that's part of the spec at this time, no 20:09 NCARMichael hm...not giving me results (http://paste.koha-community.org/51) 20:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability 20:09 oleonard sekjal: Does Bug 3142 fall under your holds project? 20:08 conan I mean, brokenfield had no data at all 20:08 conan =brokenfield 20:07 conan =300 somedata 20:07 conan oleonard: but in the print out was something like: 20:07 conan oleonard: well we started from an export that was a print from winisis, then we converted to marc with marcedit, and we found that error when the print had empty fields, I don't recall how they look in the marc file 20:06 rangi 8.10am 20:06 conan good morning rangi, what time is there? 20:05 wizzyrea that's a nice neat way to do it 20:05 wizzyrea i like your usage of the authorised_valude.category = 'LOST' 20:05 oleonard What empty fields? 20:05 conan oleonard: it happened to me with empty fields 20:04 NCARMichael thx 20:03 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "NCARMichael: and a more specific version" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51 20:03 cait hi rangi :) 20:02 NCARMichael thx...experimenting 20:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 20:00 oleonard Hi rangi 20:00 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "NCARMichael: base query for lost items" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/50 20:00 rangi morning 19:56 NCARMichael But how to access the Perl so as to copy paste into a new (editable) report? 19:55 NCARMichael ah, okay. 19:55 wizzyrea probably just as easy to recreate it as a saved report 19:54 NCARMichael The "Order by" dropdown 19:54 oleonard NCARMichael: You have to edit the perl scripts that make it go 19:54 NCARMichael It's not a "Saved Report" so I'm not sure how to edit it. 19:54 wizzyrea which drop down 19:52 NCARMichael drop-down AND as one of the columns. 19:52 NCARMichael I'd like to edit that report so that Call Number is included both in the 19:52 NCARMichael Okay...Reports -> Lost Items 19:49 oleonard Hmm... trying to run rebuild_zebra, getting "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 359." 19:48 NCARMichael (standby) 19:47 pianohacker oleonard: Finished with finals last tuesday, hanging out at my parent's house, then going back to work next week 19:47 oleonard Fire away NCARMichael 19:45 NCARMichael me here w/questions 19:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6357] Items (un)availability not displayed correctly (OPAC) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6357> 19:40 oleonard I'm good, how are you? In finals? 19:39 pianohacker hi cait 19:39 cait hi pianohacker 19:39 pianohacker how's it going? 19:39 pianohacker hi owen 19:39 oleonard Hi pianohacker 19:38 skushner hi jane 19:36 jwagner Hi Scott 19:34 skushner hi ruth 19:34 * druthb waves to skushner. 19:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6120 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Add search links in detail pages 19:31 oleonard Good catch on bug 6120 fredericd 19:28 rhcl http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4837633&CatId=2783 19:25 rhcl I've got lots of great ideas! 19:24 wizzyrea sounds like you've got a business plan there 19:24 rhcl 50k 19:24 rhcl seems like a vendor could preload these things up w/ deb and koha and have an excellent, cost-effective server for <50 item libraries 19:23 rhcl http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228&cm_re=e350m1-_-13-157-228-_-Product 19:23 rhcl http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228&cm_re=e350m1-_-13-157-228-_-Product 19:22 rhcl http://tinyurl.com/redcase1357 19:22 rhcl wouldn't this case, with decent mini-itx mb and a few raided drives, make an excellent ILS server for a small library? 19:17 druthb sekjal++ 19:14 rhcl hi hi all 19:10 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6328] Fine in days does not work <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328> 18:50 cait hi rhcl 18:50 cait hi hrcl 18:48 * druthb waves to rhcl. 18:42 cait not sure 18:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2657 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , AutoEmailPrimaryAddress preference not universally applied 18:39 oleonard Is Bug 2657 still an issue? 18:12 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6067] When Add Duplicate changing framework would lose data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6067> 18:00 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6120] Add search links in detail pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6120> / [Bug 6067] When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6067> 17:27 druthb cait++ #thanx for the signoff! 17:26 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6355] Late orders report shows cancelled orders <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6355> 17:24 conan later 17:24 conan laer 17:02 cait oleonard++ 16:53 oleonard What worked? 16:51 wizzyrea see, another reason to love koha 16:51 wizzyrea oh it does work! 16:50 * wizzyrea checks again 16:50 wizzyrea i wonder if I'm setting it on the wrong framework 16:50 wizzyrea hmm 16:49 cait instead of tab 10 16:49 cait it used to work, but not using the hidden value but tab ignore 16:49 wizzyrea the table is <reply> 16:49 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot table 16:49 wizzyrea forget the table 16:49 cait hm 16:49 wahanui the table is showing for me 16:49 wizzyrea the table 16:49 cait talking about the table above the form or about the fields on edit items? 16:49 cait ok 16:49 wizzyrea yep 16:48 cait goo dnight hdl 16:48 cait classification source? 16:48 wizzyrea gnite hdl 16:48 cait wizzyrea: what is $2? 16:47 hdl1 good night 16:46 wizzyrea sorry, more specifically, "ignore" does nothing there 16:46 wizzyrea mm no, you can't hide, say 952$2, and have it not show up in edititems 16:45 cait at least it's using the descriptions there 16:44 cait the marc view probably works too 16:44 cait ah, not true 16:44 cait but it works in no other place 16:44 cait you can use the ignore tab 16:44 cait for edit items it works 16:43 wizzyrea it might work too well 16:43 wizzyrea or if it does work that way 16:43 wizzyrea but I don't think that's how it works 16:43 wizzyrea I was wondering if hiding the fields in the framework would hide them in the item table 16:43 wizzyrea "koha knocked me out when I ..." 16:42 oleonard It would have made quite a bug report 16:42 wizzyrea sorry phone 16:42 wizzyrea lol :) 16:42 * oleonard pictures whatever wizzyrea tried as having knocked her unconscious 16:33 wizzyrea (because I haven't tried it 16:33 wizzyrea i'm also wondering if 16:33 wizzyrea and it still conforms to MARC 16:33 wizzyrea can be whatever you want 16:33 wizzyrea well, I suddenly realized that those labels on the items table 16:32 sekjal wizzyrea: I know, right? brilliantly done 16:32 oleonard What prompted this? 16:31 wizzyrea it's awesome! 16:31 wizzyrea I had not ever fully appreciated the flexibility of Koha's framework system 16:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6352 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC MARC view shows "No copies available" for all records 16:25 oleonard I wouldn't have noticed at all except I was looking at bug 6352 16:24 sekjal oleonard++ (for catching my incompleteness on enhancement 6294) 16:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4025 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Search Fail Needs Cleaner Error Page 16:20 oleonard Bug 4025 sounds like a duplicate of something someone has worked on recently. Does that sound familiar to anyone? 16:09 conan each library has it's own items and it manages them exclusively, however we *do* share users 16:09 conan sekjal: no, we don't allow check outs of items from another library 16:08 conan sekjal: yes, owned 16:08 conan I was thinking about finding which library item belongs and compare that to what gmcharlt gave me 16:08 sekjal does "from" mean 'owned by', or 'last checked out from'? 16:08 conan the idea is that staff from library X can't do anything with items from library Y 16:08 sekjal conan: fair enough 16:07 conan sekjal: still don't know, I'm looking for it 16:06 sekjal conan: is $item_branch going to consult HomeOrHoldingBranch or HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn, or always be either home or holding? 16:03 gmcharlt conan: C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'} has the staff user's branch 16:00 conan if($staff_branch ne $item_branch) { # can't renew ... } 16:00 conan if it's not too much abusing: how can I get the branchname for the current staff logged in? I need to do something like this: 15:59 conan gmcharlt: I was confused because page show me I was in circulation.pl, but as always, the source is with me ;) 15:56 gmcharlt conan: gah, sorry - too many things going on; you did find the reserve/ script I was talking about 15:55 conan gmcharlt: thx 15:55 conan that 15:55 conan found it, was <form action="/cgi-bin/koha/reserve/renewscript.pl" method="post" class="checkboxed"> 15:53 conan could it be reserve/renewscript.pl ? 15:53 conan gmcharlt: no reserve/addrenewal.pl :( 15:51 conan wait, reserve? 15:51 conan gmcharlt: ahhhh, great! 15:51 gmcharlt conan: and reserve/addrenewal.pl handles renewals 15:49 gmcharlt conan: circ/returns.pl handles returns 15:48 oleonard sekjal: For me it took one full minute from the time I clicked the save button to the time the form submitted. And that's running IE8 on Win7, not in a VM. 15:47 conan oleonard: do you know why I can't find calls to C4::Circulation::AddRenewal and AddReturn in circ/circulation.pl ? How do the books get returned then? 15:47 sekjal surely something with the JS 15:47 sekjal very strange 15:47 sekjal oleonard: so it does... it just pauses and then finally moves 15:46 conan vfernandes: I did some bulkimporting with that some days ago 15:46 oleonard sekjal: It looked like it had crashed, but after waiting and waiting it finally saved correctly. 15:46 wizzyrea IT dept politics? 15:46 conan vfernandes: no problem, anyway I'm pretty new here, so you might check later with someone else. This is the library I was talking: http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/ 15:46 wizzyrea why not go to 9? 15:45 oleonard The combination of IE8's slow javascript engine and Koha's slow javascript on the addbiblio page would make me want to hang myself. 15:44 sekjal hmmm, trying to add a test title... and nothing happens when I click "Save" 15:44 oleonard Ha! IE8 crashes when viewing source because IE8's view source editor sucks. 15:42 sekjal http://www.seangw.com/wordpress/index.php/2009/06/how-you-can-fix-ie8s-slow-view-source/ 15:42 sekjal found out how to fix the view source issue 15:42 vfernandes thanks conan 15:42 sekjal oleonard: no, not yet 15:42 oleonard sekjal: But you can't get IE8 to crash just from editing records? 15:42 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6353] Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6353> 15:40 * sekjal does some research 15:40 sekjal doesn't do it on every page... so it must be related to the contents of that specific page.... 15:39 sekjal why would that happen? 15:39 * oleonard confirms that viewing source crashes IE8 15:38 sekjal oleonard: the partner I'm working on this for gets it to freeze when just doing the normal cataloging procedure 15:37 oleonard sekjal: You know the old saying... Don't do that ;) 15:37 conan koha doesn't allow staff from library X to check in an item loaned by library Y, so why does it allow renewals? Is that a feature or a bug? 15:37 sekjal it just stops responding, and never shows me the page source 15:37 sekjal oleonard: on my Win7 VM, I can get the browser to crash consistently when trying to view source on the cataloging page 15:37 oleonard Funny how hyper-restrictive IT setups always choose the browsers with the most security holes. 15:36 conan poor souls 15:36 conan ah 15:36 oleonard sekjal: I'm always happy to look at browser-compatibility bugs 15:36 conan why IE8 anyway! 15:36 conan not here, not now 15:36 sekjal we've got a couple partners who can only use IE due to hyper-restrictive IT setups 15:36 conan vfernandes: sure, but wont be easy, I don't know if there is a tool, only know a library: Marc:Batch 15:35 oleonard is anyone else cataloging in IE8? 15:35 sekjal is that a known problem? 15:35 sekjal is anyone else having problems with cataloging in IE8? 15:33 vfernandes it's possible to update records in bulk? 15:32 vfernandes conan that's easy, but the script only changes the xml record fiel to marcxml in order to be imported 15:32 oleonard There, a bug on the "old" list with a new patch :) 15:31 conan vfernandes: and what about fixing your script, the one you said has an error? 15:31 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3140] It is possible to email someone else's private list <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3140> 15:31 vfernandes yes in bulk 15:30 conan vfernandes: from inside koha, sure, but I guess you want something to work in bulk, are you? 15:29 vfernandes how i can changed the marcxml of the Koha biblio records in order to add the other subfield? It's possible to update the records without change the biblionumber? 15:28 vfernandes need some help... during the records migration i had some records with 327 field having 3 $a subfields, but my script had an error and only 2 of them were imported. 15:07 * oleonard is saved from submitting a broken patch 15:07 oleonard double-testing++ 15:04 hdl k 15:03 cait would turning off enhancedmessagingpreferences temporarily stop them from beig created? 15:03 vfernandes hdl, the issues that the librarian are recording are issues still "open" (items overdues, etc..) 15:02 hdl and updating items.onloan with the duedate of the itemnumbers. 15:02 hdl vfernandes: consider importing all the returned issues into old_issues rather than into issues. 14:48 vfernandes i can turn off postfix, then when the process_queue_message tries to send the emails they failed... 14:45 vfernandes yes those are more difficult to prevent 14:44 wizzyrea it's the circ ones that are tricky, and sounds like those are the ones you care about 14:44 wizzyrea so that's easy 14:43 wizzyrea and I think there's a process message queue for hold notifications 14:43 wizzyrea overdues is a cronjob, so that's easy 14:43 vfernandes it's possible to prevent the messages from being generated easily on Koha? i don't think so 14:42 wizzyrea (or a 3rd option I haven't come up with ) 14:42 wizzyrea i'm not sure which is better 14:42 wizzyrea i'm having an internal debate - turn off postfix, let it generate the messages then dump the queue, or prevent the messages from being generated in the first place 14:41 vfernandes which is the best way to do this? turn off postfix? 14:41 vfernandes now the librarians are importing some old circulation movements from the old system and they asked me if it's possible to suspend all email notifications 14:40 wizzyrea vfernandes++ for telling us so :) 14:40 wizzyrea everything_working_fine++ 14:39 vfernandes *everything is working fine 14:38 vfernandes after 2 weeks with Koha the library that i'm managing it's quit haapy with Koha and everything i'ts working fine 14:37 oleonard Hi vfernandes 14:37 vfernandes hi Koha community :D 14:33 larryb wizzyrea: Hi there. 14:33 wizzyrea hi larry :) 14:25 wizzyrea lavamind is <reply> 14:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot lavamind 14:25 wizzyrea forget lavamind 14:25 jwagner I'm glad someone does :-) 14:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 14:25 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011) 14:25 wizzyrea @quote random 14:25 wizzyrea it likes jane today :) 14:25 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) 14:25 wizzyrea @quote random 14:23 conan wizzyrea: :) 14:23 huginn` druthb: Quote #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 07:35 PM, January 20, 2010) 14:23 druthb @quote random 14:23 wizzyrea so that we can support any mad scheme that a library can throw at us :) 14:23 wizzyrea nah that's our usual response to keep ourselves sane 14:22 conan well, it's not so mad scheme, I find sense in it 14:22 wizzyrea lol 14:22 wizzyrea erm, I wonder what the context of that was 14:22 huginn` cait: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 03:39 PM, March 04, 2010) 14:22 cait @quote random 14:22 cait so clever 14:22 cait wizzyrea++ 14:21 wizzyrea right 14:21 cait so you tell them not to reply to it? 14:21 cait ah 14:21 wizzyrea see :) 14:21 wizzyrea germs? 14:21 wizzyrea germs is <reply> 14:21 cait hehe thx 14:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot germs 14:21 wizzyrea forget germs 14:21 cait that's what robin does all the time... 14:21 wizzyrea so 14:21 wahanui germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 14:21 cait germs? 14:21 cait wizzyrea: now I am confused ) 14:20 pastebot "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "ugly hack to don't allow staff to override max checkouts defined" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/48 14:19 wizzyrea like so 14:19 wizzyrea x? 14:19 wizzyrea s? 14:19 wizzyrea x is <reply> 14:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot x 14:19 wizzyrea forget x 14:19 wahanui x is y 14:19 wizzyrea x? 14:19 wizzyrea or basically x is <reply> 14:19 wizzyrea Quote #123: "rangi: irc://sphere.nekls.org/#thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply> 14:18 cait how? 14:18 wizzyrea yesss 14:18 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:18 wizzyrea @quote get 123 14:18 wizzyrea one more time, sorry 14:17 conan we wanted to avoid that, I fixed like this: 14:16 conan wizzyrea: there is a checkout limit, in circulation rules, problem is Circulation.pm says this is something staff can override, and shows you a yes/no box to confirm 14:15 conan wizzyrea: I'm not showing everyone's patrons, will go with cait fix for now: to use the cardnumber, until I have time to fix this properly 14:15 conan should work for now 14:14 conan cait: I fixed, but with an ugly hack 14:14 wizzyrea hrm 14:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 14:14 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123 14:11 oleonard Why do huginn` and wahanui have to fight? 14:11 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 14:11 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:11 wizzyrea @quote get 123 14:10 wizzyrea isn't there something like a checkout limit matrix? 14:10 wizzyrea ? 14:10 wizzyrea but you don't want to circ between libraries 14:09 wizzyrea so the problem is that you want everyone to see everyone's patrons 14:09 cait to not allow overrides 14:09 cait there is a sys pref for that 14:09 cait you could check how it works for not for loan overrides 14:09 wizzyrea gl hotdog 14:09 cait but you don't want it to be overridable 14:09 hotdog Ok, off to the grill until early afternoon... 14:09 cait I think you want it to pop 14:09 cait hm 14:08 conan if someone else can direct me on how to avoid the question for TOO_MANY checkouts to pop, I'll be saved 14:08 oleonard My polite email to Guyana yesterday hasn't made an impression. 14:07 conan cait: noproblem, I'll keep looking 14:07 * conan needs a circulation guru 14:07 cait perhaps someone else can help 14:07 cait conan: sorry, not talking perl fluently 14:06 conan oleonard: depends on your longitude 14:06 icecream never too early for icecream 14:06 cheapbeer Too early? 14:06 * cheapbeer checks his watch 14:06 hotdog yea, for two weeks 14:06 icecream but they have endless summer days 14:06 hotdog but they don't play baseball 14:06 conan cait: from our conversation an hour ago, to avoid loaning to users if max loans reached 14:05 icecream it's apparently hotdog/icecream day in norway 14:05 conan and tried the 3 methods that are now commented 14:05 hotdog Today is the start of our Negro Leagues Baseball exhibit, and I have to grill the hotdogs. That's why my name for today is hotdog. 14:05 conan http://paste.koha-community.org/47 14:05 conan I found this: 14:05 cait ? 14:05 conan cait: can't crack it :( 14:04 wizzyrea hi sophie 13:50 cait wizzyrea: ah - using a dev laptop is good in that case :) 13:50 * wizzyrea concieves of a shell script that could do most of that :P 13:50 cait I think you could also run the unit tests before submitting a patch? 13:50 wizzyrea the tricky bit is setting a cookie on your dev box to keep you logged into bz 13:50 * cait nods 13:49 sekjal I'd like one to take the process from signing off through submitting the patch to the list and attaching to Bugzilla. one line to do it all, rather than 4-5 13:49 wizzyrea ah, I see 13:49 cait I got the impression you can do awesome things with git hooks... but have no idea where to start 13:48 cait same here 13:48 sekjal That's where I'd need to start... I know it's possible to hook in all kinds of actions to various points in the git workflow, but I haven't done it yet 13:45 cait or... I should go and google it :) 13:44 cait ;) 13:44 cait and a nice opportunity to write something about git hooks on the wiki :) 13:44 sekjal hi, cait! 13:44 cait hi sekjal 13:40 sekjal seems like a handy tool for building some sweet git-hooks 13:37 * wizzyrea was about to try it 13:37 cait not sure if there was a glitch or something 13:37 cait but it sure sounds very interesting! 13:37 wizzyrea the docs themselves are not bad 13:36 cait rangi told me he will write something up 13:36 cait hehe 13:36 wizzyrea hi 13:36 druthb hi, wizzyrea! 13:36 * wizzyrea can't take credit, rangi pointed it out to me (and probably all of you too, but I live in the past so... I'm often behind :)) 13:35 wizzyrea http://git.fishsoup.net/man/git-bz.html 13:35 wizzyrea holy crap 13:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2883 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , longoverdue cronjob misleading and buggy, output mangled 13:35 oleonard Some of those old bugs sound like they ought to be fixed. For instance Bug 2883 13:23 cait and the bugs need retesting in reassigning to a version perhaps 13:22 cait I wouldn't want the enh marked WONTFIX 13:22 oleonard I got 150 excluding enhancements 13:21 oleonard I don't know what criteria Paul used 13:21 cait are those old things all bugs or enh too? 13:21 cait thx to you 13:20 oleonard Thanks cait 13:18 cait oleonard++ 12:48 * conan cross fingers 12:47 cait quite sure you can ignore it :) 12:45 cait I am not sure about the blib directory, but I never did something with it 12:44 cait only when you change things that are in koha-dev like indexes 12:44 conan but what about blib/INTRANET_CGI_DIR/circ/circulation.pl ? 12:44 conan I'm already on a local branch 12:44 cait you don't have to run the make process 12:44 cait perhaps you want to do it on a branch 12:44 cait commit 12:44 cait just change the file 12:44 cait ok 12:44 conan yes 12:44 cait and you have git? 12:44 conan the idea was to pull in changes easily when needed 12:44 cait ok 12:43 conan no, a dev one 12:40 cait do you use a standard install? 12:40 cait sorry, I am confused 12:40 conan and have the same contents of course 12:39 conan which I guess is the one koha uses, and it's not a symbolic link, nor hard either 12:39 conan I'm asking because install makes blib/INTRANET_CGI_DIR/circ/circulation.pl 12:37 cait conan: you should use git and a dev install, but no need to run installation again 12:36 wahanui cait: I forgot no 12:36 cait forget no 12:36 wahanui it has been said that no is that bad 12:36 cait no? 12:35 conan if I make changes to circ/circulation.pl I will need to do a make install again? 12:35 cait looots of patches 12:35 cait thx :) 12:35 cait hehe 12:34 * oleonard has done that more than once! 12:34 cait ok, git format-patch origin is a bad idea when you are testing a 3.2.x thing 12:33 cait and there are a lot of good ideas in there 12:33 cait but I think 1600 is still too high - because most of it is enhancements 12:33 * oleonard gets 150 for "Days since bug changed: (is greater than) 365 " excluding enhancements 12:32 cait sorry, misunderstanding here 12:32 cait a 12:32 oleonard I thought we were talking about a list of bugs that hadn't been updated in over a year 12:32 wahanui cait: I forgot name 12:32 cait forget name 12:32 wahanui it has been said that the name is 3.2.x - so git checkout -b 3.2.x origin/3.2.x - for updating I do a git rebase origin/3.2.x instead of a git pull 12:32 cait the name? 12:32 cait hm? 12:31 oleonard why all bugs? 12:31 cait and then you can add it to your footer 12:31 cait saved searches 12:30 cait preferences 12:30 cait oleonard: i shared it as all bugs 12:30 oleonard Where does it show up after it has been shared? 12:29 cait ah, i will ust share it 12:29 cait let me see how my saved search looks like 12:29 cait I get the number he does - but with enh 12:28 oleonard I was going to ask the same thing...wondering where to find his saved "old bugs" list 12:28 cait paul_p: around? 12:27 conan hum, there are overrides for not_for_loan, for renewal times and for hols, but not for max quantity, I guess this will be solved by code 12:27 cait I would check there is no option for it and file an enhancement bug as a first step 12:27 cait making it another syspref/permission would be the better solution 12:26 cait but it needs more skill to do so 12:26 cait it can still be bypassed 12:26 conan js is not my area 12:26 conan but I'm reluctant to do so 12:25 conan cait: that's what my boss say all the time: "we'll fix that with js" 12:25 cait or hide the yes with jquery ;) 12:25 conan if there is no option, I'll dive into code, but I wanted to prevent that on this stage 12:25 cait check system preferences, search for override and check the circ permissions for staff users 12:25 conan yes, it does appear a warning say you will borrow more than allowed, but we want to take out that option from staff 12:24 cait I am not sure you can deactivate the staff override 12:24 cait hm 12:24 conan is there an option for that? ( I didn't found any on circulation yesterday) 12:23 conan I have circulation limits, lets say 4 books for some kind of user, but when staff is checking out books to this user, staff can bypass this limit 12:23 conan another one now 12:22 conan thx 12:22 conan cait: using cardnumber worked fine, I think I can go with that for now 12:15 conan is less fuss to walk to the other library than to do ILloans 12:15 conan better send the user to the other library, since the majority are here in campus 12:15 conan or... 12:15 conan jwagner: staff from X can only borrow stuff from X, not from Y. He/She can ask for an IL loan, I guess 12:14 conan I'll try that 12:14 jwagner What should happen when staff from X try to check in an item belonging to Y is that the system will say the item needs to go in transit to Y 12:14 cait but you can't search them 12:13 cait I think you can bring up a patron from another branch by scanning the cardnumber 12:13 cait I think you will not get that solved without indybranches off 12:13 cait about the users 12:12 conan canreservefromotherbranches = Allow 12:12 conan oh, wait, was hold... let me check again 12:12 cait hm 12:12 conan yes 12:12 cait do you have reservefromotherbranches turned on? 12:12 conan I want books from Y to return to Y 12:11 conan I want staff from X to borrow to user from Y, but I don't want staff from X to be able to return a book that was borrowed by an Y staff 12:11 jwagner Which actions don't you want to allow? 12:11 cait but she is still right 12:11 cait yes 12:11 cait ys 12:11 conan jwagner: hum... but that will allow other actions too 12:09 jwagner Turn it off :-) 12:09 conan yup 12:09 jwagner conan, is IndependentBranches syspref turned on? 12:08 conan Am I missing some configuration option ? Or it's on purpose that a staff from X cannot even see users from Y ? 12:07 conan and we want to borrow books from any library to any user 12:07 conan the problem I have is that a staff from library X cannot see users from library Y 12:07 conan now 12:06 conan but we want to implement only one instance of koha for all of them 12:06 conan we have several libraries 12:06 conan I found a 'show stopper' for us here and I wanted to know if it could be some missing configuration or if that's the intended way koha should work 12:03 druthb If I can get un-buried from three go-lives in the next three weeks, hdl, I'll try to take a look at it. 12:03 conan hi everyone 12:01 hdl would they have a problem. I am sure we could solve that. 12:01 hdl make comment on those. 12:01 hdl sign off.. 12:01 hdl please test those branches. 12:00 druthb hdl: coolness. :) 11:57 hdl (well it does not exist there) 11:57 hdl druthb: it is fixed in the management the circulation rules we proposed. 11:50 druthb cait++ 11:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6351] Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6351> 11:41 hdl Irma: wizzyrea or nengard should be the persons for you :D 11:39 Irma I wonder who I should ask about adding the http://digital-conferences-calendar.info/ to the calendar on the koha-community.org home page ... 11:38 Irma Ca va? 11:37 Irma Bonjour hdl! 11:37 hdl Hi Irma 11:37 Irma Tag! 11:37 Irma Guten Abend ! 11:36 cait :) 11:36 cait hi Irma : 11:35 Irma Hi all 11:32 jwagner Guten tag, cait 11:31 cait hi jwagner 11:31 jwagner Hi magnuse 11:31 magnuse hiya jwagner 11:31 magnuse cool 11:30 druthb She spotted what was wrong right off. 11:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6351 major, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules 11:29 druthb Bug 6351 11:27 magnuse druthb: care to elaborate? 11:27 * cait hides 11:27 cait ugh 11:26 druthb cait++ #FREEKIN' GENIUS 10:48 BobB Right. That is an interesting bug, eh! Worth an upgrade. 10:41 cait hi druthb :) 10:40 BobB Interesting indeed. Thanks cait and huginn`. I'll go test. 10:40 druthb o/ 10:40 cait rangi++ 10:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth 10:37 cait logging into staff - bug 5995 10:36 cait security issue 10:35 BobB Has the release of 3.2.9 been discussed here? Is there a big issue that's fixed? 10:34 cait :) 10:33 BobB Hmm ... mostly :) 10:33 cait so busy is good? 10:32 BobB I don't hang out here much these days. Just busy. 10:32 cait quite good :) 10:31 BobB Hi cait, how are things? 10:31 cait hi BobB 10:06 cait yum 10:06 cait hot dogs and ice cream? 10:03 cait what did I miss? :) 09:58 magnuse it's the traditional menu on may 17th - preferably hot dogs first and ice cream after 09:58 magnuse kia ora slef 09:57 rangi hi slef 09:56 cait hi slef 09:55 slef morning all 09:54 slef think I prefer hot dogs with bread and ice cream with fruit 09:54 slef hot dogs and ice cream does not sound like the best combo 09:32 cait hi magnuse 09:31 magnuse hi cait 09:28 cait hi hdl :) 09:27 hdl hi cait. 09:27 cait hi #koha 09:23 magnuse latest syspref count: 301 (select count(*) from systempreferences) 09:01 magnuse bonjour and thanks, hdl 09:01 hdl magnuse: happy day 09:00 magnuse it's the national day of norway after all... ;-) 08:56 rangi yum 08:47 * magnuse places a big pile of hot dogs and ice cream in the middle of #koha 08:34 rangi its been reported 08:33 glernil can't create a report using wizard in 3.04. 08:32 glernil found a bug 07:19 cait bbl 06:56 cait hi hdl 06:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8�C (8:55 AM CEST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). 06:54 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 06:54 cait @wunder marseille 06:54 cait :) 06:53 alex_a hello cait :) 06:52 cait hi Ropuch :) 06:52 cait bonjour alex_a 06:42 Ropuch Morning #koha [; 06:32 alex_a bonjour #koha 05:34 Space_Librarian_ np 05:34 cait thx Space_Librarian_ :) 05:34 cait ah 05:25 Space_Librarian_ he does some sort of ancient fencing like kendo or something. 05:22 cait ? 05:22 eythian I've got to go wave sticks at people for a couple of hours 05:22 cait have a nice evening 05:22 eythian cait: hi, and bye! 05:22 wahanui cait: nesting roaches shorted out the ether cable 05:22 cait excuse? 05:21 cait hi eythian :) 05:21 cait http://git.fishsoup.net/man/git-bz.html 05:19 eythian lets you talk to bugzilla with git 05:19 cait git-bz? :) 05:13 cait hi #koha 04:46 rangi ahh 04:46 eythian Oh right. The master packages aren't anything special, they don't have the bits I want to add to 3.4 in them 04:45 rangi someone from germany who kept asking abtout 3.4.0 packages :) 04:45 eythian adnc? 04:44 rangi eythian++ 04:44 rangi yay! that will make adnc happy 04:43 eythian New 3.2.9 and master packages out, for everyone's enjoyment. 04:27 rangi so you can make a patch, then git bz file and that will make a bug and attach the patch in one go 04:27 bg ooh I like edit... that sounds good 04:27 rangi file (which is like attach, but makes a new bug) 04:26 rangi attach, apply, edit 04:25 Oak The Spoon Theory by Christine Miserandino: http://goo.gl/qH9z6 04:25 bg hmm... rangi what else can we do? 04:24 Oak hi bg 04:24 bg hi Oak 04:24 rangi should make it a lot easier for people to signoff, and for sekjal to do qa 04:23 Oak \o 04:23 rangi tomorrow ill clean it up and put it up somewhere for people to use 04:23 bg hmm.... that's pretty swwet 04:23 rangi make it work even 04:23 rangi i had to hack at git-bz a bit to work 04:23 bg no 04:22 rangi fetches the patch from bugzilla and applies it 04:22 bg huh 04:22 * bg looks 04:21 rangi yes!! 04:21 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "git bz" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46 04:10 eythian :D 04:10 bg :) 04:10 bg eythian 04:10 bg damn 04:10 bg ok afternoon euthian 04:10 eythian afternoon. 04:09 bg evening 03:39 rangi i can relate to that 03:39 hdl No. Up quite early. Koha keeps me awake. 03:32 rangi you are up very early hdl, or are you in a different timezone? 03:31 hdl hi rangi 03:24 druthb hi rangi 03:24 rangi heya hdl and druthb 03:22 eythian tis quite nice out there, doesn't quite feel 18, but still pretty good. 03:00 rangi lovely autumn day 03:00 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 03:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz 03:00 rangi pretty good, sun is shining 02:57 pianohacker how's it going? 02:57 pianohacker hi chris 02:57 wahanui it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel 02:57 rangi heya pianohacker 02:53 rangi fire away 02:52 indradg rangi, pm? 02:43 rangi awesome! 02:42 indradg i'm also discussing with the client about press releases and such 02:41 indradg rangi, no there is no webpage yet... however in another 10 days time, I would be able to officially write about it.. coz by 25th May the first batch of 30 libraries are to be deployed 02:24 rangi [off] because contrary to that statement, i dont think it was evaluated fairly and i dont think its less fit for purpose than symphony, and there are more libraries in your pilot than in the whole of the kotui rollout :) 02:22 rangi cos id love to respond to this with a link to it :) 02:22 rangi http://findingheroes.co.nz/2011/05/17/kotui-an-update-from-sue-sutherland-regarding-koha/ 02:20 rangi i was wondering, is there a webpage anywhere about the west bengal project? 02:20 indradg rangi, hi 02:19 rangi hi indradg 02:02 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 31.0�C (7:20 AM IST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 02:02 indradg @wunder kolkata 02:01 indradg morning #koha 00:58 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U87zVkIXNI0 <-- ... 00:51 rangi heh 00:50 gmcharlt boo! 00:29 rangi quiet