Time  Nick              Message
22:46 aogle             wizzyrea, Just wanted to let you know.  I did finally get SIP2 / koha by writing a python script.
22:44 cait              bye all
22:41 cait              ok, I have an entry in my message queue - time to sleep
22:40 cait              rangi: I think it still needs some tweaking, but perhaps I can figure it out :)
22:40 cait              rangi: seems it didn't work because I can't send mails directly - I made it go into message_queue now to see how the mails look like
22:23 eythian           quite
22:23 rhcl              gross
22:22 rhcl              ahhhh! Poor subject that Ashley!
22:22 cait              !
22:20 eythian           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9160eN69mM <-- rhcl, cait
22:19 rhcl              so you're going to enlighten us?
22:19 eythian           I guess no one is cool enough for cool points...
22:15 eythian           cool points to anyone who knows the reference (without searching)
22:15 Space_Librarian   lol
22:15 wahanui           germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
22:15 eythian           wahanui: germs?
22:15 eythian           hehe
22:15 eythian           hah
22:15 cait              and just that you know, i saw that! germ?
22:14 wahanui           cait: IRQ dropout
22:14 cait              excuses...
22:14 eythian           cait: in the middle of a dual migration at present...:)
22:14 cait              wahanui++
22:14 * cait            hides
22:14 wahanui           hmmm... bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
22:14 cait              bug?
22:14 cait              hi eythian :)
22:13 * Irma            away answering the phone
22:12 eythian           spooky!
22:11 cait              Greetings from the other side :)
22:10 Irma              Hi cait ... G'day from downunder!
22:08 cait              hi Irma :)
22:01 cait              ordermail not orderemail
22:01 * cait            is still investigating but had the wrong name for her letter
22:01 cait              ah
21:53 cait              not in there :(
21:51 cait              checking message_queue... exciting
21:51 cait              ok
21:50 rangi             :)
21:50 cait              ok, fixed it (I hope) - notice is added, now going to order something :)
21:43 cait              I see galen's commit did it
21:43 rangi             so id take them out, since they arent being used by anything
21:42 cait              makes sense
21:42 rangi             yep, he added it to a thing that has since been removed, so that was the conflict
21:42 cait              there I only see the orders part
21:41 cait              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2653
21:41 rangi             if you look at the bottom of that patch
21:41 rangi             yeah
21:41 cait              t
21:41 cait              so I will kill i
21:41 cait              ah
21:40 rangi             but then does nothing with it
21:40 rangi             ie it sets @SQLfieldname
21:40 rangi             so we could just take them out
21:40 rangi             yeah it will, but they arent actually used
21:40 jcamins           Good night, #koha
21:40 rangi             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4067
21:40 cait              the my line fixed it
21:39 rangi             actually its not used
21:39 rangi             hmm no he added them all
21:39 cait              but it seems he only added one more to a bunch of constructs like these
21:38 cait              I was wondering about that
21:38 rangi             or if its just missing a my @SQLfieldname
21:38 rangi             not sure it needs the SQLfieldname ifs at all
21:37 Space_Librarian   morning #koha :)
21:37 rhcl              SIP anybody? A SIP query contains a field like "6300120110509", which is "6300" + a DTG (date time group). What is the 6300? Just a field/packet header?
21:37 rangi             i think letter.pl will need some work though
21:36 rangi             wrong place, but i wouldnt fail the patch on that, because it is just following the trend set by the rest of the script
21:35 cait              is it really bad or only at the wrong place?
21:34 rangi             :)
21:34 cait              hint?
21:33 rangi             i dont like this stuff either
21:33 rangi             +eval "use Mail::Sendmail";
21:33 cait              but you gave me something to work with :)
21:33 cait              nope
21:32 rangi             i didnt promise it would work :-)
21:31 cait              unhappy about that: Global symbol "@SQLfieldname"
21:31 cait              trying to figure it out
21:31 cait              it broke letter.pl
21:31 cait              ah
21:28 cait              rangi++
21:28 cait              thx a lot rangi!
21:28 rangi             patch 2 done
21:27 cait              a lot of things are his fault :)
21:27 wizzyrea          it's his fault
21:27 * wizzyrea        points at rangi
21:27 wizzyrea          I know!
21:27 cait              wizzyrea: I like that song from your tweet
21:26 wizzyrea          fmarier++
21:26 cait              )
21:26 cait              rangi: patch applied ;
21:26 jcamins           fmarier++
21:26 cait              fmarier++
21:26 rangi             fmarier++
21:25 * jcamins         loathes Docbook with the strength of a thousand suns.
21:25 wizzyrea          does he have an IRC nick we can give karma to? :P
21:25 * jcamins         just tells nengard what to write.
21:25 cait              probably the first one ever
21:25 wizzyrea          not many do that
21:25 wizzyrea          that *is* pretty epic
21:25 wizzyrea          :D
21:25 rangi             (did you all note that francois set a patch for the manual, with his patches for the code!)
21:25 wizzyrea          I readily encourage you to explore DocBook, for the good of yourself and that of the community
21:24 rangi             (i can say that cos he isnt in at work yet :))
21:24 cait              thinking about that article? :)
21:24 rangi             its not that hard, francois even figured it out
21:24 jcamins           I think maybe we need some sort of "namespace" for itemnumbers and biblionumbers.
21:24 wizzyrea          strike that
21:24 wizzyrea          that's discouraging
21:24 wizzyrea          wait
21:23 * wizzyrea        wishes rhcl luck with DocBook
21:23 jcamins           nengard looks forward to receiving your suggested revisions. :P
21:23 wizzyrea          all good :)
21:23 rhcl              I was on the wrong site. Me sorry
21:23 wizzyrea          in*
21:23 wizzyrea          there may be a place ion the wiki
21:23 rhcl              ah, dA**, didn't even notice that!
21:23 jcamins           More useful would be to have that in the manual.
21:23 wizzyrea          because that site is not maintained.
21:22 wizzyrea          no
21:22 rhcl              on this page: http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/sip2-integration - would it be useful to have a link for the compatable systems?
21:20 rangi             racing racing
21:17 rangi             (sorry got distracted by work hehe)
21:17 rangi             now to do the tt one
21:14 * cait            sees the first patch and cheers
21:13 cait              goo dnight magnuse
21:12 magnuse           g'night #koha
21:11 wizzyrea          sorry >.<
21:11 wizzyrea          I don't remember
21:11 wizzyrea          i bet that's in the IRC logs, rhcl
21:10 rhcl              wizzyrea: what are the two control characters at the end of a SIP query? one was a "\n" if i remember correctly, and there's another one which is .....?
21:06 * magnuse         too
21:06 wizzyrea          yes, very
21:06 cait              wizzyrea: do you agree?
21:05 wizzyrea          ;)
21:05 wizzyrea          ^^
21:05 cait              it's still awesome, even if you deny it :)
21:05 rhcl              the koha docs for sip really don't break out the process for conducting a sip query
21:04 aogle             Any good documentation on Sip2 and Koha?  Attempting to understand it.
21:04 rangi             running all the unit tests now
21:02 rangi             heh, its not awesome, its just practice i have to do this lots :)
21:02 cait              and I got stuck at editing the first file... :)
21:01 cait              rangi++ for being so awesome
21:01 cait              wow
21:00 rangi             second patch the .tt ones
21:00 rangi             im going to reformat as 2 patches, first one just the .pl changes
20:59 rangi             conflicts kabloom (as expected)
20:59 rangi             git cherry-pick 98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73
20:59 rangi             git checkout -b rebaseing_5260 kc/master
20:58 rangi             phase 2, get it to a shape that could apply to master
20:57 rangi             http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73
20:57 rangi             now i have a git commit
20:56 rangi             5260
20:56 rangi             success
20:56 rangi             patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/letter.tmpl
20:56 rangi             patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/basketgroup.tmpl
20:56 rangi             patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/acq.js
20:56 rangi             patching file ./tools/letter.pl
20:56 rangi             Hunk #2 succeeded at 547 with fuzz 1 (offset -1 lines).
20:56 rangi             Hunk #1 succeeded at 247 (offset -1 lines).
20:56 rangi             patching file ./acqui/basketgroup.pl
20:56 rangi             rorohiko:[git/29d17ca...-]:~/git/koha% patch -p0 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653
20:56 rangi             edit the patch
20:55 rangi             git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-17" master`
20:54 rangi             etc
20:54 rangi             ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl becomes ./acqui/basketgroup.pl
20:54 rangi             so what i did was
20:53 wizzyrea          ^.^
20:53 rangi             that worked
20:53 * wizzyrea        cheers rangi on
20:53 rangi             have about 20 more mins before i have to start work, its a race :)
20:52 rangi             and try editing the paths by hand
20:52 rangi             right, will checkout master from that date
20:52 rangi             the path was generated from out of the installed tree
20:51 rangi             the paths are all wrong
20:51 cait              it should be at lest 3.2 because we didn't have basketgroups before that
20:51 rangi             duh
20:51 rangi             /intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl
20:51 rangi             i have discovered the problem
20:51 rangi             ah ha
20:51 cait              oh :(
20:50 rangi             no joy there either
20:49 rangi             trying that
20:49 rangi             so now im wondering .. was it on 3.0.x branch
20:49 rangi             still fail
20:48 rangi             right, so ill try a copy of that file from before the 17th
20:48 rangi             --- ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.orig2010-09-17 11:17:09.000000000 +0200
20:48 rangi             so i now looked at the patch more closely
20:48 rangi             etc
20:48 rangi             2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.rej
20:48 rangi             Hunk #2 FAILED at 383.
20:48 rangi             Hunk #1 FAILED at 248.
20:48 rangi             patching file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl
20:48 rangi             patch -p1 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653
20:47 rangi             patch faild
20:47 rangi             i do that when im doing things that im not sure will work
20:47 rangi             ive not on a branch, i just checked out a single point in time, but didnt make a branch
20:46 cait              detached mode?
20:46 cait              sorry, was brushing my teeth - back and reading now
20:46 rangi             but thats ok, i can check out a real branch if it works
20:46 rangi             im in detached mode, so any changes i make will be lost
20:45 rangi             that gets me the first commit before that day
20:45 rangi             git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-29" master`
20:45 rangi             so heres what i did
20:43 magnuse           we could put it on the wiki if it works...
20:42 rangi             do you want me to note here exactly what i am trying?
20:41 rangi             (it wont apply on master, its out of date)
20:41 rangi             its not a git patch, but a standard unix patch file
20:41 rangi             no git
20:40 rangi             no
20:40 cait              git patch -p1 < filename?
20:40 rangi             thats what i am going to attempt anyway :)
20:40 rangi             or p0
20:40 rangi             patch -p1 < filename
20:39 cait              Patch format detection failed.
20:39 rangi             but patch
20:39 rangi             you can use git am
20:39 rangi             commit it, try to cherry pick to master, fix the tmpl to tt and make a patch
20:39 cait              I tried to apply it to a new branch, but it told me unknown format
20:39 rangi             try to apply the patch
20:38 rangi             heres how im going to do it, i will check out an old version of koha, from about sept 2010
20:37 cait              I promised the author to test it along time ago :( and I hope I can perhaps make it work
20:37 rangi             note the word try :)
20:36 cait              rangi: thx!
20:36 cait              :)
20:36 rangi             if you give me a few mins ill try to reformat it into a git patch
20:36 cait              yep
20:36 rangi             cait: thats a diff, not a git diff
20:35 rangi             what a cool feature
20:34 cait              cool - thx rangi
20:34 rangi             looking now cait
20:33 cait              it lookslike it still could work, but I have problems finding the right place for thecode in the files
20:33 cait              hm
20:33 rangi             back
20:30 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5260] It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5260>
20:28 cait              lookin gat the fle names probably not
20:26 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5260 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email
20:26 cait              is there a trick I could use to make git accept the patch attached to bug 5260?
20:26 cait              hm
20:21 rangi             ok time for some cuban coffee bbiab
20:20 * rangi           makes things up
20:19 rangi             one guess is different cookie domains?
20:19 rangi             but its not ringing any bells
20:19 rangi             and email if I find anything
20:18 rangi             np ill check when I get to work
20:18 hdl               thanks anyway
20:18 rangi             didn't do anything special
20:18 hdl               But ok.
20:17 hdl               You did something differet.
20:17 rangi             not at my computer at the mo, but I certainly dont remember running into this, weird
20:17 hdl               ok. I wanted to know how you did.
20:17 rangi             so something is deleting the cookie? hmm
20:16 rangi             ahhh
20:16 rangi             or mysql if not
20:16 hdl               but the cookie is lost.
20:16 rangi             much faster anyway
20:16 rangi             id switch to memcached if you are running 3.4
20:16 rangi             if temp files could be permissions
20:15 hdl               Yes.
20:15 hdl               That could be the problem.
20:15 rangi             and the cookie is being set in the browser?
20:14 hdl               no.
20:14 rangi             not temp files?
20:14 magnuse           cait++ # for sharing
20:14 rangi             right but mysql or memcached eh?
20:14 hdl               no special storing for sessions.
20:14 cait              for being very patient
20:14 wahanui           i think mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM.
20:14 rangi             mysql?
20:14 cait              magnuse++
20:13 jcamins           cait++
20:13 rangi             how are u storing sessions?
20:13 rangi             hmm I didn't run into that
20:12 hdl               I am testing that on the catalogue part. and apache is loosing the authentication.
20:12 rangi             same cookies/sessions shared by both
20:12 rangi             passing requests to either plack or apache
20:11 rangi             just ngnix in front
20:11 rangi             I didn't change anything
20:11 rangi             yes
20:11 hdl               rangi: you told me that you had used Plack for circulation.
20:11 rangi             sessions and cookies
20:10 rangi             sorry?
20:10 hdl               rangi: around ? how have you passed authentications through the circulation module when you made circulation module work with Plack ?
20:08 rhcl              which is right-justified, and as I understand it, Hindi is written right-to-left. But probably best to disregard, just my casual thoughts of little importance.  :)
20:07 rhcl              well, I was thinking Report Program Generator :)
20:06 hdl               RPG = Role Playing Games .... ahhh nostlagy D&D
20:05 hdl               well i saw some problems with that.
20:05 rhcl              I wonder if RPG is easier in Hindi than English?
20:05 hdl               But that is not passed from one page to another.
20:05 jcamins           hdl: thanks.
20:05 wahanui           oleonard: i'm not following you...
20:05 oleonard          Always helpful, wahanui
20:04 hdl               pqf=
20:04 wahanui           well, rpn is worse than RPG
20:04 cait              rpn?
20:04 jcamins           cql=?
20:04 jcamins           hdl: how do you do RPN queries?
19:45 indradg           :)
19:40 hdl               indradg: you're welcome
19:39 hdl               jcamins: we could have done many things with DOM... But so hard to edit and play with and adapt to user requirements.
19:36 indradg           hdl, thanks for the prod in the direction of IntranetUserJS this morning (my time)... my use-case of conditionally switching on | off ExtendedPatronAttributes is working very nicely with jQuery :)
19:35 jcamins           DOM++ # I could do this with DOM
19:35 jcamins           Incidentally...
19:35 jcamins           Pity this isn't easier.
19:34 jcamins           Hm.
19:34 hdl               as a first step
19:34 hdl               You could take a look at the Search::Plugin::Availability.pm we did for solr.
19:33 hdl               there is one solution we have not tried... Adding some new inner subfield which would record 0 1 that would define availability... ... But then again, availability needs to be defined.
19:33 magnuse           sharing++
19:32 jcamins           hdl: just think how many things I now know *not* to try.
19:31 hdl               jcamins: if you knew how hard we tried and how many things we tried...
19:30 jcamins           hdl: yes, but you just saved me spending hours only to have the Availability limit still be useful.
19:30 hdl               But this is just mentioning a workaround. And a deep bug we have been struggling with for some time... before deciding to just switch to solr.
19:29 hdl               I am.
19:29 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu
19:29 jcamins           The comment on bug 5958.
19:29 jcamins           Aren't you dev_patches@biblibre.com?
19:28 hdl               jcamins: what ?
19:28 jcamins           hdl: thanks for pointing that out.
19:28 jcamins           Oh.
19:28 jcamins           Got it.
19:28 wizzyrea          patron computer control
19:28 jcamins           Ah.
19:28 wizzyrea          a la envisionware
19:25 jcamins           And public access control system.
19:25 oleonard          Define distributed database?
19:25 jcamins           A what?
19:25 rhcl              anybody have any comments on using a local server vs. a distributed database for something like a public access control system?
19:21 cait              :)
19:21 cait              yep, but youmight get volunteered
19:21 jcamins           cait: someone's going to suggest it again?
19:21 cait              hm?
19:20 jcamins           cait: what, again?
19:20 cait              you are in danger - someone will suggest rewriting Search.pm soon ;)
19:19 cait              jcamins: run
19:16 * rangi           goes to make breakfast bbiab
19:16 rangi             that seems to be the root of most of the search issues
19:16 jcamins           oleonard: having looked at Search.pm, and record.abs, I think probably it's a stupid issue.
19:15 * oleonard        shakes his fist at obedient zebra
19:15 rangi             and we are telling it do dumb things
19:15 rangi             most likely zebra is doing exactly what we tell it to do
19:15 rangi             highly unlikely
19:14 oleonard          Is that a zebra issue?
19:11 * cait            agrees
19:11 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu
19:11 * jcamins         curses bug 5958.
19:10 wizzyrea          sure
19:09 magnuse           cait: opac, patrons, circ, simple cataloguing
19:09 oleonard          Not much happening around here rhcl
19:08 cait              magnuse: what did you do today, circ?
19:08 rhcl              maybe we should go off channel?  #libki ??
19:08 wizzyrea          sure
19:08 rhcl              wanna chat about libki?
19:08 wizzyrea          nuttin
19:08 rhcl              ping wizzyrea: watcha doing?
19:07 magnuse           s/considere/considering/
19:07 magnuse           considere these were teacher-librarians with little training and little time for their libraries...
19:06 magnuse           not to bad, i think
19:04 cait              how was training?
19:04 cait              himagnuse :)
18:59 nengard           yup
18:59 magnuse           nengard: good for her! ;-)
18:56 nengard           magnuse,she's used to going to work now :)
18:55 rangi             oleonard: good idea
18:54 hdl               ok.
18:53 oleonard          The onsubmit validation routine should probably trigger that auto-population js so that the user doesn't get a warning in case that field is empty
18:52 oleonard          hdl: No, regular biblios
18:52 hdl               oleonard: are you talking about authorities ?
18:51 oleonard          I see that 005 is being udpated without user interaction
18:51 oleonard          Yeah, seems to have been rangi
18:50 magnuse           heh, that's one relaxed doggie ;-)
18:50 rangi             oleonard: cant recall if that was signed off and pushed
18:50 magnuse           hiya druthb and #koha
18:49 druthb            Hi, magnuse!
18:49 oleonard          So it's happening in the background now either way?
18:49 oleonard          I was just noticing that the field in the editor updates if you click in it and wondered if it should do so without user interaction.
18:48 rangi             there was a patch to do just that
18:48 oleonard          Should 005 be updated whenever a MARC record is edited?
17:54 nengard           my dad has a husky
17:27 indradg           heh... i can imagine...
17:26 indradg           my wife is extremely fond of huskies... but it would be cruel to try and bring one to india
17:26 nengard           she's on his desk at work ... a husky might break the desk :)
17:25 nengard           sheepdog
17:25 indradg           aah
17:25 nengard           an 18lb shetland sheedog
17:25 nengard           a sheltie
17:25 indradg           nengard, is she a collie or a husky?
17:23 nengard           got a pic from my hubby who has my girl with him at work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5704212036/in/photostream
17:15 wizzyrea          yay ^.^
17:15 indradg           wizzyrea, you be right - lib/C4/Category.pm:=head3 $category->category_type
17:14 wizzyrea          indradg: I don't believe they're editable, I *think* those are hard coded -- so it's probably somewhere in C4
17:13 wizzyrea          do note the lack of a "this sucks" button :P
17:13 wizzyrea          "
17:13 wizzyrea          "love, <name of library catalog>
17:12 wizzyrea          it automatically sends an email to the list "Koha has delighted me today, thanks for your effort"
17:12 jcamins           Actually, I think we need one of those on every page.
17:12 indradg           ok! dumb question time... where exactly is category_type & its values A / C / S etc stored / defined?
17:12 wizzyrea          :)
17:12 wizzyrea          lol
17:12 * jcamins         suggests "Awesome!"
17:11 wizzyrea          i'm trying to think of a label for that button, or something to add to the workflow to help indicate what it does
17:09 cait              hi indradg
17:09 indradg           hi cait
17:07 * cait            waves
17:07 oleonard          indradg: There is a standard way of handling that kind of date sorting so hopefully it'll be easy to fix
17:07 wizzyrea          not even that I think so... I've seen it in action
17:07 wizzyrea          and the button looks identical to the others, I think people would expect similar functionality
17:06 wizzyrea          it's not even that so much as it's not clear what exactly it's doing
17:06 indradg           just saw
17:06 indradg           oleonard, ++ :)
17:05 oleonard          indradg: I removed the patch-sent status and reassigned to myself
17:02 huginn            04Bug 3806: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Holidays table doesn't order by date correcly
17:02 indradg           oleonard, it appears to be an outstanding issue from Nov 2009 - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3806
17:01 oleonard          wizzyrea: It would certainly be better to have it do an interactive merge with the found record
16:58 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/uGu7M1vIA8
16:56 oleonard          indradg: If you file a bug I'll work on a fix
16:55 wizzyrea          ok, I have a problem that I need input on
16:53 indradg           oleonard, how is the sorting happening for the holiday list table? the date sorting is totally wrong (asc string style sort) when using dd/mm/yyyy (which is the default in india)
16:51 nengard           i don't think so
16:51 indradg           oleonard, hmmm....
16:51 oleonard          Changing the dateformat system preference will not remove calendar entries
16:51 indradg           nengard, ^
16:50 indradg           does changing the dateformat clear away the holiday calendar entries?
15:55 * wizzyrea        reminds herself to add that kind of stuff next time
15:54 wizzyrea          :)
15:54 wizzyrea          fasdfasdfasdf works well :P
15:54 nengard           k
15:54 wizzyrea          yep
15:54 nengard           testing your patch now
15:54 nengard           just use a wrong barcode?
15:54 nengard           wizzyrea - how can i force an attach to fail?
15:52 wizzyrea          it's at the very bottom of the form
15:51 nengard           it does? I missed that (will look for it next time i attach)
15:50 * wizzyrea        mutters
15:50 wizzyrea          it lets you take assignment there...
15:49 nengard           annoying to have to update a bug report multiple times
15:49 wizzyrea          ^.^
15:49 nengard           wizzyrea i agree!!
15:46 kf_away           ok, time to leave, talk to you later
15:44 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6323>
15:43 kf_away           me too
15:43 wizzyrea          boy I wish bz would allow you to set the importance/patch status when you added your attachment.
15:42 margod            you said you would create for her
15:42 margod            nengard, vicki (cataloger, remember her?:)) just emailed me asking about the "step by step cataloging outline" (her words, i recall it being more of a workflow document)
15:32 hdl               Will try that tonight.
15:31 nengard           awesome
15:30 kf_away           or once hdl figures it out... I hope he does
15:30 kf_away           nengard: once I figure it out I will share :)
15:15 nengard           not sure why that says patch sent though ...
15:15 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip)
15:15 nengard           or bug 1232
15:14 margo             nengard, that's okay, i'll show her how to print screen
15:14 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5655 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , printing of fines should support more than one line
15:14 nengard           bug 5655
15:14 margo             i'm obviously too sleepy to be working today
15:14 nengard           i can find that too
15:14 nengard           there is a bug report on this topic - that you can only print one line at a time
15:14 druthb            yah, margo, and it still seems so out-of-character; she was always just so darn awesome to me, Before.
15:14 margo             nengard, well, now that you point it out, i see the "print" link
15:14 nengard           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/patroninformation.html#patronfines
15:13 nengard           let me find that part of the manual for you
15:13 nengard           to print fines, there is a link next to each fine line for printing
15:13 margo             druthb, but you've met her
15:13 nengard           so if the patron didn't check anything out today that's why the slip doesn't have anything on it
15:13 nengard           print will only print the circ info - not the fine info
15:12 * druthb          boggles a little bit at "not being spoken to."
15:12 margo             nengard, since you're here...she's looking at the desciption of charges on the patron fine page and when she goes to print only the name and accoutn number of the patron show up--not the charges
15:11 margo             i think there was a lot missed, and i'm still not being spoken to, although i've gotten three emails this morning
15:10 margo             lol, :(
15:10 margo             maybe, she's going to train her new workers later in the summer, we'll see where we are in awhile
15:10 nengard           margo there was so much crying that i think most people missed the fact that i gave you a way around it for now
15:10 nengard           i could do a tutorial video on that if you think it will be helpful
15:10 margo             nengard, now that you mention it i remember
15:09 margo             wizzyrea: thanks, i appreciate it
15:09 nengard           margo, that's how i showed it in training - the manual credit route
15:09 wizzyrea          please feel free to contact me if you need more info, I can give you the name of someone to contact at that library
15:08 wizzyrea          if the dev isn't done by your go-live
15:08 wizzyrea          margo: I just talked to one of my coworkers here, they work around it using manual credits, so that's an avenue that may be available to you
15:06 huginn            slef: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8]
15:06 slef              @marc 035
15:05 kf_away           phone call, give me a sec
15:05 kf_away           hdl: great!
15:05 margo             ok, thanks :)
15:04 wizzyrea          for us it wasn't a superhugeomg problem.
15:03 wizzyrea          because they likely do
15:03 wizzyrea          and that they use it often
15:03 wizzyrea          i don't doubt that they use it
15:03 margo             maybe i'll ask circ how much they really use it now...
15:02 hdl               nengard: sorry about that.
15:02 wizzyrea          or they just work around it using credits
15:02 wizzyrea          apparently no
15:02 margo             so, no so much demand from patrons to partially pay?
15:02 wizzyrea          not in the "omg must have it or else" column
15:02 wizzyrea          < live on koha for 3 years without it, and it's just in the "nice to have" column
15:02 margo             wizzyrea, what do you mean "less important"?
15:02 wizzyrea          (but it sure would be "nice to have")
15:01 wizzyrea          (though we discovered that it was less important than we initially thought it might be)
15:01 margo             i'm glad i'm not alone :) here in the basement by myself
15:01 nengard           kf_away when you get that from hdl share the screenshots with me :) and I'll publish them
15:01 nengard           hdl++
15:01 wizzyrea          so you're not alone :)
15:01 nengard           i have been trying for years to get some help on serials documentation - no luck
15:01 hdl               kf_away: tell mee what you need. Will try to send you what you need.
15:01 wizzyrea          my institution is pretty anxious for that one too
15:01 * kf_away         nick
15:00 margo             thanks, nengard
15:00 nengard           kf_away :( no clue
15:00 nengard           can back up what margo is saying ... her circ person is very concerned
15:00 margo             hey ruth!
15:00 druthb            Hi, margo! :D
15:00 margo             okay, i think it's too early, too
15:00 wizzyrea          we may want to ask later today, as that's when the folks working on it will pop in
15:00 margo             we go live in august
14:59 margo             my circ person is anxious
14:59 wizzyrea          not absurd :)
14:59 margo             i saw that, is it absurd to ask when it might be ready?
14:59 wizzyrea          and that it includes that
14:59 wizzyrea          i know the accounts rewrite is underway
14:58 margo             does anyone know the status of partial payments?
14:58 kf_away           nengard: do you have an idea who I could ask about it?
14:58 kf_away           hi margo
14:58 margo             good morning, all
14:55 kf_away           the years are right, but the issues start again after six instead of going on forever
14:54 kf_away           the example doesn't work too
14:54 kf_away           I take it back
14:53 nengard           we need a serials expert to give me a ton of samples!!
14:53 kf_away           and issue 215
14:53 nengard           :(
14:53 kf_away           year
14:53 kf_away           my subscription starts 2011
14:53 kf_away           the sample serial works, but when I try to make it use my numbers I fail
14:52 nengard           the sample serial doesn't work?
14:52 kf_away           nengard: doesn't work for me :(
14:52 Oak               thanks!
14:52 Oak               hehe cool
14:51 wizzyrea          was worth karma
14:51 wizzyrea          the saturday night fever one alone
14:51 Oak               yay
14:51 wizzyrea          oak++
14:51 druthb            Oak++
14:51 Oak               me ++ too then?
14:51 wizzyrea          haha
14:50 Oak               ^o^ that's the MJ Thriller move
14:50 druthb            wizzyrea++
14:50 gmcharlt          :)
14:49 Oak               hehe
14:49 wizzyrea          \o/       ^o^      (o(        /o\ (Village People)
14:49 joethoklahominian wow! congratulations Galen!
14:48 Oak               :)
14:48 druthb            lol
14:48 Oak               Saturday night fever
14:48 Oak               \o>
14:48 Oak               <o/
14:47 druthb            \o/
14:47 wizzyrea          o/
14:46 Oak               \o
14:45 kf_away           nengard++
14:45 rhcl              is z39.71 specific to serials?
14:42 wizzyrea          generic_perl_modules++
14:41 gmcharlt          forutnately, there's quite a bit of code in Evergreen for handling MFHDs that is general enough to turn into a generic Perl module
14:40 hdl               nengard: my experience is that MFHD is a nightmare and not only to read but also to implement.
14:39 wahanui           slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils
14:39 wizzyrea          slideshare?
14:39 nengard           I was a monograph cataloger only
14:39 nengard           hdl, i've never been a serials cataloger, so I don't know about MFHD either :(
14:38 hdl               kf that should be.
14:38 nengard           http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=a14927
14:38 kf_away           the years changing but the issue number going up?
14:38 kf_away           but you think it shoudl be possible?
14:38 hdl               nengard: Is MFHD more readable as of subscription pattern ?
14:37 nengard           kf_away i have a sample i think in the manual - but yeah it's so darn hard that's why i asked on list for examples to include in the manual
14:36 kf_away           it's driving me insane :(
14:36 kf_away           nengard: do you perhaps know how to do that subscription pattern in koha?
14:36 wizzyrea          Ohhhhh no, that is in no way straightforward
14:36 nengard           it will show you the groups you belong to
14:36 nengard           and you can choose to send to a group
14:36 nengard           click that
14:36 nengard           on your presentation there is a link to 'more' in the top right
14:36 wizzyrea          oh good :)
14:35 nengard           it's not straightforward
14:35 nengard           not dense
14:35 wizzyrea          where do I add my preso to the slideshare group?
14:35 wizzyrea          nengard I'm having a dense moment
14:33 wizzyrea          grats we're doing it right (mostly) :) http://www.codesimplicity.com/post/open-source-community-simplified/
14:30 kf_away           my years are not rolling over when I try to do that :(
14:29 kf_away           and every 2 months a new issue
14:29 kf_away           oh
14:29 kf_away           I have a year that is supposed to rollover every 6 issues, and the issues are counted without rollover, starting at 215 in january
14:28 kf_away           I need help
14:28 kf_away           someone using serials?
14:26 wizzyrea          much easier to understand imo.
14:25 wizzyrea          template_toolkit++
14:24 rhcl              hi druthb et al
14:21 rhcl              I'd see this as a big foot in the door.
14:20 rhcl              http://mobiusconsortium.org/
14:20 gmcharlt          we're pretty excited
14:20 gmcharlt          ah, yes
14:15 rhcl              I would see this as a harbinger of things to come.
14:14 rhcl              MOBIUS has contracted with Equinox to assist with the installation and migration of Evergreen and will provide training for MOBIUS staff to fully host and manage the Evergreen system.
14:13 gmcharlt          Poplar Bluff?
14:13 rhcl              Heck, it's open and published and everybody in my library is passing around the email notification.
14:12 wizzyrea          :P
14:12 * wizzyrea        firmly believes that any news should come from the source, on their timeline
14:11 * kf_away         hides behind wizzyrea
14:11 * wizzyrea        covers her eyes
14:11 wizzyrea          uh uh not fair
14:11 rhcl              well, he's had time by now.
14:11 kf_away           ?
14:11 wizzyrea          if it's that important perhaps he should do it :P
14:10 gmcharlt          ?
14:10 wizzyrea          ?
14:10 rhcl              did gmcharlt break the news?
14:10 rhcl              OH GUYS! This is really really important!
14:08 * druthb          waves to rhcl
13:46 kf_away           thx :)
13:46 wizzyrea          slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils
13:45 wahanui           screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
13:45 kf_away           screencasts?
13:45 kf_away           screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
13:45 kf_away           yess...
13:42 wizzyrea          kf are you wanting the slideshare group?
13:34 kf_away           slideshare?
12:35 nengard           not verizon's fault either ;) was stupid AT&T from Starbucks holding on to something on my computer
12:34 nengard           bingo
12:29 nengard           gonna do a restart cause i think it has to do with the public wifi networks i was on this weekend (they were acting wonky)
12:29 wizzyrea_away     verizon then >.>
12:28 nengard           dropped them years ago cause they suck
12:28 nengard           jcamins i wouldn't be caught dead using comcast
12:27 wizzyrea_away     ^^
12:27 * jcamins         blames Comcast on nengard's behalf
12:26 jcamins           It's working fine for me.
12:26 wizzyrea_away     git.koha-community.org.	3600	IN	A	174.143.233.17 is what dig tels me
12:26 oleonard          git fetch is working for me
12:26 wizzyrea_away     at least gitweb is
12:25 wizzyrea_away     its working for me
12:25 jcamins           That sounds like DNS.
12:24 nengard           the website works though
12:24 nengard           is there anything going on with the git repo? I'm getting an error "Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) "
12:21 conan             it seems this deployable menu is bewitched
12:21 conan             nope, no luck
12:17 conan             Hum... I think I don't got the apache bit, let's see...
12:16 conan             kf_away: nope, but I'll look at it now...
12:16 conan             So to summarize: everything it's set for utf8, I'm not dealing with imported data, I'm creating it, the saved character set is utf8, but somehow when it's shown in the deployable menu, it gets wrong
12:15 conan             (!)
12:15 conan             so I do a dump of the particular table and file reports it's utf8
12:14 conan             so I think, there must saved it with wrong encoding on DB
12:14 wahanui           conan: that doesn't look right
12:14 conan             change it to force it to iso88591 and then deployable menu shows right, but the rest of the page doesn't
12:14 conan             I check the encoding for the page, and it's utf8
12:13 conan             and the accented word shows wrong
12:13 kf_away           have you seen the mysql thing on the wiki?
12:13 conan             Then I go to home > patrons and chose the deployable menu to create a new user
12:12 conan             I go to Home › Administration › Patron Categories and define a category with a word with accent
12:11 pastebot          "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "problem with encoding" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40
12:11 conan             I got these settings on mysqld:
12:06 kf_away           hi francharb :)
12:05 francharb         hi all
12:03 wizzyrea_away     mornin
12:03 druthb            hi, wizzyrea_away.  :)
11:58 * kf_away         sends you a cookie ;)
11:57 * wizzyrea_away   grins and waves sleepily
11:57 kf_away           search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
11:57 kf_away           thx liz
11:57 wahanui           searching faq is, like, at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
11:57 wizzyrea_away     searching faq?
11:57 kf_away           hi jcamins :)
11:57 kf_away           search faq?
11:57 kf_away           search faq
11:57 jcamins           Good morning, #koha
11:47 druthb            kf++ #clever jquery-ing
11:43 kf_away           hi conan
11:43 kf_away           jquery++
11:26 conan             hello everybody
11:22 kf_away           msun: you are welcome
11:19 msun              kf_away: thank you very much.. it is working with 653
10:54 msun              kf_away: ok i will check it
10:52 kf_away           msun: when you are using zebra you have to make sure your records get reindexed by rebuild_zebra run as a cronjob
10:52 kf_away           there is a field for uncontrolled subjects in 6xx...try 653
10:50 kf_away           your keywords are about the topic of the book?
10:50 kf_away           hm probably 6xx fields are better
10:50 msun              rangi: I had put keywords in 504 field in marc21. But I cant search out the book using these keywords.
10:42 rangi             yeah, exactly like that :)
10:41 druthb            That's like SirsiDynix talking about their "open" API, which you have to pay thousands of dollars to have access too--you can share code freely with others who have paid the thousands, so that makes it "open," you see.
10:40 druthb            lol.
10:36 rangi             naw, just elsevier trying to get people to code for free on their 'open' platform under the guise of a competition
10:35 druthb            not at the moment, rangi; am I misisng something epic?
10:34 rangi             druthb: are you on the code4lib list?
10:34 rangi             but if you want to store some, you could put them in one of the note fields (one of the 5xx fields in marc21)
10:33 rangi             msun: koha searching doesnt use keywords
10:32 msun              Could anyone say  in koha  "how to add keywords of a  book"
10:31 druthb            :D
10:30 rangi             morning druthb
10:30 druthb            good morning, #koha. :)
09:59 msun              in koha
09:58 msun              Could anyone say  how to add searching keywords for a particular book
09:56 kf                lunch time
09:56 kf                rangi: was about to copy the link here - cool read
09:50 msun              hi everybody
09:49 rangi             http://www.codesimplicity.com/post/open-source-community-simplified/
09:00 * kf              is fighting with InDesign
09:00 kf                hi paul_p and rangi
08:22 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5740] spanish intranet dictionary file has a missing character <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5740> / [Bug 6277] CustomLog by default <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6277> / [Bug 5717] Some search results appear as "No Title" when zebraqueue is used instead rebuild_zebra.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5717>
08:16 * indradg         waves
08:10 paul_p            hi rangi & al
08:08 rangi             evening
08:07 * kf              waves
08:02 * Oak             waves
07:23 kf                good morning #koha
07:17 hdl               report then update SQL to add a new patronAttributeType to A and S members ;)
07:16 indradg           these members elect the library management board
07:16 indradg           hdl, yeah... working on that, I've to generate an electoral list from among the members (all except child members)
07:15 hdl               Hi indradg yes you should search in that direction
04:20 wahanui           OK, eythian.
04:20 eythian           wahanui: squirrels is <reply>I think you mean "sqrats"
04:05 bg                yeah figured there was a wind advisory
04:04 huginn            bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:07 PM PDT on May 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect until 10 am PDT Monday... 
04:04 bg                @wunder 93109
03:58 rangi             heya bg
03:57 bg                evening all
03:12 rangi             the spidering im less interested in, though that would be cool, mainly just a nice way for people if they want to show up in the list of koha users, to be able to do it
03:01 wizzy_home        right
03:00 rangi             so you click on 'register me' it prefils a form and you add/subtract from it and hit save, and it hits some webservice that saves the info in a db
03:00 wahanui           wizzy_home: I forgot former
03:00 wizzy_home        forget the former
03:00 wizzy_home        forget the form
03:00 wahanui           it has been said that the former is correct - i.e., you can change it, but then must run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl
03:00 rangi             the former
02:59 wizzy_home        are you thinking of a thing that gives them some form fields, a dump of the about page data, and registers that data somewhere or just a link to a place for ppl to register?
02:55 rangi             its not actually much to do really
02:55 rangi             :)
02:55 rangi             so someone needs to do it before 2028
02:54 rangi             its on my 'when i get time' list
02:54 rangi             yup
02:54 wizzy_home        oo that's a good idea
02:48 rangi             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Add_a_button_to_the_intranet_for_registering_with_the_Koha_community
02:46 rangi             the bug that i cant find, to allow for people to report they are using koha from their about page
02:44 rangi             hence
02:43 rangi             Space_Librarian: its mostly because no one knows
01:53 Space_Librarian   that's*
01:53 Space_Librarian   Thta's a shame, it would have come in handy for the abstract I'm writing. Thanks Ruth. :)
01:53 * Space_Librarian sees a paper in the making.
01:52 druthb            not that I know of, Space_Librarian.
01:47 Space_Librarian   silly question: does anybody know if there is a report out that has collated the number of libraries adopting open source ILS's by country for comparison?
00:22 rangi             bags not