Time Nick Message 00:23 jcamins_away sfx-- 00:23 jcamins_away ebrary-- 00:23 jcamins_away Who else has abusive closed information infrastructures? 00:23 jcamins_away elsevier-- 00:27 druthb whazzup, jcamins_away? 00:33 jcamins_away druthb: doing research. 00:33 jcamins_away And SFX and Ebrary irritate me no end. 00:34 jcamins_away (that would be SFX "why no, my output isn't determinate, why would I tell you the same thing twice, when I can give you *different* wrong information every time?" and Ebrary "you don't need to see any page other than this one, right? good, I think I'll freeze now") 01:08 Brooke kia ora 01:19 snail Brooke: mÅrena Brooke 01:19 Brooke :D 01:20 Brooke I pÄ“hea tÅ rÄ? 01:38 jcamins_away Today is the day when Myshkin's winter coat comes out all at once. 01:39 jcamins_away Naturally I'm wearing black, black, and black. 01:39 druthb and stray hairs, right 01:39 druthb ? 01:40 jcamins_away Yes. 01:40 jcamins_away Well, mostly just stray hairs. 01:40 jcamins_away Somewhere underneath all the hair, though, there's black. 01:40 druthb Capt. Midnight's fur is short enough that it's not too big a problem. And it's *solid* black. 01:56 snail Kei te pai tÅ rÄ, e hoa. 02:18 rangi screenshot of the day 02:18 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4038 02:46 snail rangi: yes, but is he still alive because he's a human and the book allowed him to survive the zombies, or because he's a zombie and the book spread useful (to him) misinformation among the humans? 02:47 rangi only one way to find out :) 05:45 cait morning #koha 07:11 rangi heya cait 07:15 cait hi rangi :) 07:53 rangi cait: did you see this? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4038 07:56 cait the libravatar feature? yes :) 07:57 cait very cool 07:57 cait hope to look at your notices thing later - planning to at least 07:57 cait have to do some other paperwork first 07:57 rangi cool thanks 08:04 scl hi... any zebra experts around? 08:04 indradg hi... any zebra experts around? 08:10 cait indradg: I am not an expert, but ask your question - perhaps someone will read and respond 08:12 indradg cait, thanks... i need to index several indic languages - bengali, hindi and assamese in my catalog... does zebra play funky without proper ICU settings? 08:13 cait you already use icuß 08:13 cait ? 08:15 indradg cait, oops! didn't phrase that correctly! mea culpa 08:15 indradg what i meant was this option from the koha installer - "Primary language for Zebra indexing (en, fr) [en] " 08:16 indradg i vaguely remember that one needs to do something to tweak it for other languages... and came up with some mails from kete forum 08:17 cait indradg: I think it will not work without icu for you - it doesn't work for hebrew witout 08:17 indradg http://kete.net.nz/documentation/topics/show/139-managing-zebra particularly Ahmad Maher's description of problems with arabic with truncation 08:17 cait and you can't select ICU with the web installer 08:17 cait you have to modify koha manually to make it work 08:18 indradg and I'm fine with that.. so I'm looking for where to do that work :) 08:21 cait perhaps this helps: http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-display-search-result-problem-p28106148.html 08:26 indradg checking! 08:28 indradg cait, ah thanks a bunch :) i kind of vaguely remembered this post... thanks for the link :) 08:33 cait hope it helps :) 10:53 druthb o/ 11:38 * Oak waves 11:44 * cait waves 11:44 * jcamins waves 11:45 cait hi jcamins :) 11:45 druthb good morning, jcamins. :) 12:24 indradg hi.. if I've life members who's only criteria is they must be over 18 years of age, what do most people do with the enrollment period? 12:24 druthb The couple of times I've run into it, they set the expiration for 60 months; that lets them check up on the borrower address every five years. 12:39 indradg druthb, thanks 12:41 jcamins If I run rebuild_zebra without -z or -r, it won't take down the index, right? 12:43 freebe I am getting the below error on a Koha 4.0.0 installation 12:43 freebe /usr/share/demo/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z 12:43 freebe Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Biblio.pm line 359. 12:43 freebe Any hint? 12:44 jcamins freebe: what version of Koha? 12:44 freebe Koha 4.0.0 12:44 jcamins Ummm... there's no such thing. 12:44 freebe 3.4.0 12:44 cait more likely ;) 12:44 freebe :) 12:44 jcamins Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad I checked that, because I was going to tell you 3.0.0 was very old. ;) 12:45 cait probably an indexing problem 12:45 jcamins freebe: do you use link_authorities_to_bibs.pl? 12:45 cait happens when you try to take a look at a record? 12:45 freebe jcamins, let me look for it 12:45 jcamins freebe: no, if you haven't used it before, don't! 12:46 jcamins It's very, very dangerous. 12:46 freebe cait, It happens when the Koha cronjob execute /usr/share/demo/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z 12:46 freebe jcamins, ok 12:47 jcamins freebe: check your environment? 12:47 jcamins Maybe KOHA_CONF isn't set? 12:47 jcamins freebe: you do have data in the database, right? 12:47 freebe yep 12:47 jcamins Is this an upgrade? 12:47 freebe I think that can be the problem, let me add one record 12:47 freebe No, it is not an upgrade 12:47 freebe It is a clean and new install 12:47 jcamins Okay. Did you go through the web installer? 12:48 freebe yes 12:48 freebe Circulation works 12:48 freebe and so on 12:48 jcamins Okay. I think the problem is that there's a typo in KOHA_CONF or something like that. 12:48 jcamins Try manually running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 12:49 freebe trying 12:50 freebe /usr/share/koha/lib$ /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z 12:50 freebe Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Biblio.pm line 359. 12:50 freebe Same error 12:51 jcamins Not -z. 12:51 jcamins -r 12:51 freebe trying 12:51 freebe It works with -r 12:51 freebe and now also with -z 12:51 jcamins Yeah. 12:51 freebe thanks 12:51 jcamins I had a feeling. 12:51 jcamins You're welcome. 12:52 freebe What do you think it was the cause of that? 12:52 jcamins Your index wasn't properly initialized. 12:52 freebe I see 12:52 freebe thanks 12:52 jcamins And you had something in zebraqueue that was pointing to an invalid record. 12:52 cait jcamins++ 12:53 freebe jcamins, I think I had something in zebraqueue that was pointing to an invalid record because I deleted a record which I was circulation and maybe Zebra was not able to sync properly 12:53 freebe ? 12:53 jcamins Yes. 12:54 jcamins tcohen wrote a fix for this. 12:54 jcamins It's a very major bug, in my opinion. 12:54 jcamins tcohen++ 12:54 cait does it still need sign-off? 12:54 jcamins I don't think so. 12:54 freebe Can you let me know the bug number 12:54 freebe I am going to repeat the test to see if that lack of synchronisation happens again 12:54 jcamins It's part of bug 5166. 12:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library 12:55 freebe thanks 12:55 jcamins freebe: no, it probably won't now that you've gotten your index initialized properly. 12:55 freebe I see 12:55 freebe thanks 13:06 freebe jcamins, Note that even now, with the Zebra index right, I get 13:06 freebe Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/demo/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2096. 13:06 freebe When importing the same record 13:07 freebe I get that error as Koha offers me to choose between Edit the record or add a new one 13:07 jcamins freebe: okay, in that case it's a corrupted record. 13:07 freebe If I choose to edit the record (which does not exits as it was deleted) then I get the above Error in the Koha admin web interface 13:07 jcamins Oh, of course. 13:08 jcamins If you've deleted the record, you can't edit it. 13:08 freebe yes 13:08 freebe I think Koha admin should not me offer to edit it if it does not exist 13:09 cait it will not offer it any longer, once the index has been updated 13:09 jcamins I guess I'm not entirely sure what the issue here is. It will show up until the cronjob runs. 13:09 freebe I thought the index was already updated with rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z 13:09 freebe isn't it? 13:09 jcamins How often is that running? 13:10 freebe 5 minutes via cron 13:10 freebe but I run it by hand 13:10 freebe previously to that Koha admin operation 13:10 jcamins freebe: I'm not sure what the problem is, but I suspect it's in your workflow. 13:10 freebe ok, thanks 13:11 cait delete - run cronjob 13:11 cait after that it should have disappeared 13:15 freebe done 13:16 freebe testing again 13:16 jcamins freebe: what is it exactly that you want to do? 13:17 freebe I want to know how to get rig of that error 13:17 freebe being my mistake or Koha one 13:18 jcamins freebe: I guess what I'm wondering is, if this error is specific to your unusual workflow of adding a record, immediately deleting it, then trying to edit the record, couldn't you just tell your librarians "don't try to edit records immediately after deleting them"? 13:19 freebe yes, I think so 13:20 freebe and telling them not trying to import the same record just after deleting it 13:20 freebe or increase the cron frequency 13:22 jcamins Right. 13:24 freebe Just for your information 13:24 freebe I have deleted all records 13:24 freebe run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z 13:24 freebe and imported again 13:25 freebe and the Koha admin offers Edit besides the create option 13:25 freebe clicking 'Edit' shows 13:25 freebe Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/demo/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2096. 13:25 freebe So maybe it is not an index update problem? 13:26 jcamins freebe: where are you seeing this? 13:27 jcamins Also, how did you delete the records? 13:27 freebe I see it at 13:27 freebe /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl 13:27 freebe I deleted it at 13:28 freebe /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=1 13:28 jcamins And how are you importing? 13:29 freebe I imported it via a Z39.50 search 13:29 jcamins Hm. 13:29 freebe The import worked rightly as I was able to circulate it 13:30 jcamins Hm. 13:31 jcamins I'm out of ideas, sorry. 13:31 freebe no problem 13:31 freebe thanks for all your help 13:32 freebe I can look at it a little more and report to you if I think I find the cause 15:52 jcamins Brunch time! Hip hooray for brunch time! Everybody stop at brunch time! 18:43 jcamins It turns out that 20 pounds of chapatti flour is just as heavy as 20 pounds of whole wheat flour. :) 18:50 cait1 is that surprising? 18:50 jcamins cait1: no, just commenting. 18:50 cait1 oh 18:50 cait killing the 1 18:50 jcamins That was supposed to be a diplomatic way of cheering about the fact that I just got 20 pounds of chapatti flour. :) 18:51 cait aha! 18:52 jcamins Now I need a container large enough for storing all purpose flour. 18:56 cait2 yes 18:56 cait2 keep it save from the bugs 18:56 jcamins Exactly. 18:57 jcamins A 5 gallon bucket ought to do pretty well. 19:00 jcamins But then, perhaps a larger one would do better. 19:07 cait salmon and green salad 19:07 cait yum 19:08 cait evening hdl 19:12 magnuse kia ora 19:20 cait hi magnus 19:20 cait waking up?;) 19:21 magnuse nah, going to sleep soon 19:29 magnuse gotta get up at 6 tomorrow - not used to that... 19:36 cait travelling? 19:37 hdl hi cait 19:38 magnuse yep, i'm in stavanger tonight, and travelling half an hour by train tomorrow morning, for two days of koha training 19:38 magnuse hiya wizzy_home 19:38 wizzy_home hello :) 19:38 cait hi wizzy :) 19:39 wizzy_home how is everyone? 19:39 jcamins wizzy_home: I was just thinking about you, actually. 19:39 wizzy_home oh yea? 19:39 wizzy_home that explains the tickle in my ear 19:40 cait weekend is over too early 19:40 wizzy_home *nod 19:40 wizzy_home much much too early 19:40 jcamins Yup. Among other things, I just bought 20 pounds of chapatti flour. :) 19:40 wizzy_home ooo 19:40 wizzy_home what are you planning on making? 19:40 jcamins I don't know. 19:44 magnuse chappatis, by the sound of it... 19:44 wizzy_home oho 19:45 slef mmm chappatis 19:46 wizzy_home hmm, wheat and malted barley flour eh? 19:46 wizzy_home that's a lot of roti :P 19:46 slef I've malted grain flour... is that the same? 19:46 wizzy_home i am not sure, i had to ask mr. google 19:46 * slef notes he has nfc where stavanger is 19:47 jcamins wizzy_home: yeah, it's finely ground, and higher protein content than other wheat. 19:48 wizzy_home so, not as stretchy (less gluten?) 19:48 wizzy_home or is my thinking backwards 19:48 jcamins Backwards. 19:48 wizzy_home more stretchy :) 19:49 jcamins Right. 19:49 jcamins Or, I suppose, it should be more work to stretch it, but it'll hold its shape better. 19:49 wizzy_home i'm reminded that I ought to make naan 19:50 wizzy_home nom no m onm nom nom indianfood nom nom nom 19:50 jcamins We just went to an Indian restaurant for brunch. 19:50 jcamins _So_ good. 19:50 wizzy_home we went to a brunchy place, with fancy brunchy food. 19:51 wizzy_home spud was in heaven... they had canteloupe and ham. and cheesecake. And green beans. 19:51 wizzy_home not all together of course 19:56 magnuse hehe cool spud 19:56 magnuse what was that quote again? run run run fall down kick in the face? 19:56 wizzy_home hehe yea 19:56 wizzy_home he's still on about that 19:56 jcamins What? 19:56 wizzy_home when watching rugby, that's spud's cheer 19:56 jcamins Aww. 19:56 wizzy_home "run! run! run! Fall down! Kick in the face!!" 19:57 jcamins That's slightly disturbing, but very cute. 19:57 slef OT: when's the next general meeting? 19:57 jcamins 11 May 2011 0200 UTC+0 19:57 * jcamins reads from the topic 19:57 wizzy_home agreed, it's slightly disturbing, but think about rugby for a mo, and it's like, well yea 19:57 wizzy_home that's pretty much what it's about 19:57 jcamins True. 19:58 wizzy_home honesty, I like it ;) 19:58 magnuse hehe, that quote pops into my head every now and then ;-) 19:58 jcamins :) 19:58 wizzy_home :D 19:58 slef jcamins: thanks. :) 19:59 slef 0300 local :-/ 19:59 jcamins slef: you're welcome. 19:59 jcamins I don't think I'll be there. 19:59 slef I probably will be. Unless I pass out first. 19:59 slef [off] medication makes sleep unpredictable... 19:59 wizzy_home or get up reeeallly early 19:59 slef wizzy_home: yeah. naw. 20:10 adnc_ cait, hallo! 20:11 cait hi adnc_ 20:12 jcamins @later tell rangi Bug 5449 was never merged into Master. I reset the patch status to "Signed off," because I wasn't sure what else to do with it. The patch still merges cleanly. 20:12 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 20:13 cait bug 5449 20:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 20:20 rangi hmm i never put a comment on the bug, i suspect i just switched the wrong status 20:21 rangi ah yes i was/and still am waiting for more information on it 20:22 rangi but if its causing no errors for owen, ill meerge it 20:23 jcamins Well, in my testing it didn't cause any errors. 20:23 jcamins But I was only using 1.3.whatever-comes-with-Koha and 1.4.whatever-comes-with-Debian. 20:24 rangi we'll soon find out 20:24 jcamins :) 20:24 jcamins rangi++ 20:24 adnc_ i'm getting a warning from the koha daily cronjobs: kutuphane: No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296. 20:25 adnc_ does someone know what the problem could be? 20:25 jcamins adnc_: yes, that's because you don't have overdue triggers set up. 20:25 rangi means you have set up overdue rules 20:25 rangi havent even 20:25 adnc_ where are they? I think I did 20:25 cait adnc_ go to tools > notice triggers 20:25 jcamins Tools->Notices. 20:26 cait avoid the default library, set rules for your specific library 20:26 jcamins Wait, no, Tools->Overdue notice/status triggers 20:26 jcamins Sorry, I always get those two confused. 20:26 adnc_ cait, mahntrigger? 20:26 cait adnc: mahntrigger in der deutschen übersetzung, dort nicht bei Standard eintragen, Standard frei lassen - und bei deiner angelegten bibliothek regeln eintragen 20:26 cait geanu 20:27 cait genau 20:28 cait du kannst die Beanchrichtigungen unter Benachrichtigungen konfigurieren, unterschiedliche für die 1., 2. und 3. Benachrichtigung, wichtig ist nur, dass du dort Modul Ausleihe nimmst 20:28 adnc_ Es wurde eine Verzögerung von delay1 für Benutzertyp Personal der Bibliothek eingestellt, aber keine schriftliche Benachrichtigung oder Sperraktion festgelegt. Wenn eine Verzögerung eingestellt ist, sollte entweder eine Benachrichtigung, eine Sperraktion oder beides festgelegt werden. 20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 243 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:28 cait adnc_ musst noch eine benachrichtigung auswählen 20:29 cait unter werkzeuge > benachrichtigungen kannst du die anlegen, die beispielbenachrichtigung heisst ODUE 20:30 magnuse g'night #koha 20:30 rangi cya magnus_away 20:30 cait night magnuse :) 20:32 adnc_ cait, super, jetzt müsste ich es noch probieren 20:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5449' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9573f444fcd6f56b2c9248d6bc8d52525a62d518> 20:32 adnc_ the warning is gone now, thanks 20:34 cait cool 20:38 * jcamins waves to druthb, very belatedly 20:39 * druthb waves back. 21:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #243: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/243/ 21:10 jenkins_koha Julian Maurice: Bug 5449: JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 21:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 21:10 rangi cool 21:14 * jcamins mutters imprecations at the American obsession with having your own car. 21:14 wizzy_home ha 21:16 jcamins I want to get to a rather remote part of New Jersey. 21:17 jcamins I may end up forced to rent a car to get there. 21:17 wizzy_home hrm 21:18 jcamins This is absurd. 21:19 jcamins Just in case you were unclear on that. 21:19 jcamins Or catch a 4am train. 21:19 jcamins To get somewhere an hour away at 9. 21:19 wizzy_home hm neither prospect seems appealing 21:19 jcamins I agree. 21:20 rangi having driven in NJ 21:20 rangi id take the train 21:20 rangi :-) 21:21 jcamins rangi: there is only one. 21:21 jcamins And it's on the wrong day. 21:21 wizzy_home d'oh 21:21 jcamins I think I'll end up taking the 4am train, though. 21:26 jcamins On that horrifying note, I think it's time to work on my paper. 21:29 cait good luck with the paper 21:29 cait time to sleep here 21:30 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:50 indradg hi... is the holiday calender need to filled in, in a certain order to have them being listed in date-wise order in the list of "Unique Holidays" ? 22:22 * druthb waves to Space_Librarian 22:23 * Space_Librarian waves back 22:23 druthb :D :D