Time Nick Message 23:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5684] Z search on OCLC pulls in 952s <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5684> 22:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates 22:47 rangi bug 6296 22:43 Brooke right, wow time. 22:37 Brooke 0/ 22:34 Brooke Ciao Irma. 22:34 rangi or more truthfully sleeping 22:34 * rangi opts for [] 22:32 Brooke volunteers' meeting for KohaCon tomorrow at 14.00 UTC. Be there or be [] 22:24 rangi heh 22:23 jcamins_away Bye again. 22:23 jcamins_away Thanks. 22:23 jcamins_away Ulrich's. 22:22 jcamins_away It's on the tip of my tongue, but all that comes to mind is "Bowker's," and that's something else... the series that was right next to it on the shelf at the ANS. 22:22 jcamins_away s/idnexed/indexed 22:22 jcamins_away What is the name of the database (formerly print publication) which contains information about where serials are idnexed? 22:05 Space_Librarian that's really nice then. :) 22:00 sekjal almost everyone on a first name basis by the end 22:00 sekjal all one room, single track 22:00 Space_Librarian cozy then 22:00 sekjal Space_Librarian: around 50-60 at the peak, I think 21:59 Space_Librarian was there good crowd at KUDOS, sekjal? 21:58 rangi cool 21:57 sekjal today went well, I think. useful, engaging presentations before mine 21:57 sekjal :) 21:56 rangi just wanted to heckle ;) 21:56 rangi i didnt really mean it 21:56 sekjal rangi: will get on QA shortly... brain is tired after 2 days of KUDOSing 21:49 wahanui 3.4.0 release notes are http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ 21:49 rangi 3.4.0 release notes? 21:49 bg thanks rangi... :) 21:49 rangi 3.4.0 release notes are http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ 21:49 wahanui OK, jcamins. 21:49 jcamins wahanui: release notes are in misc/release_notes 21:49 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ or there 21:49 bg yeah was hoping the bot was smart ;) 21:49 rangi misc/release_notes 21:48 rangi in git there are in 21:48 bg INSTALL? 21:48 bg yeah 3.4 21:43 rangi bg: for what version? 3.4 ? 21:35 bg notes? 21:35 bg release_notes? 21:25 jcamins censuses++ 21:16 * Brooke calls bs on druthb. 21:15 bg ;) 21:15 gmcharlt but people are tired, it was a busy conference 21:15 gmcharlt bg: looks like un-unconference mode 21:09 * Brooke advises you to crack the whip. 21:09 bg wait was that planned? 21:09 Brooke orlly? 21:08 bg man it looks like the unconference is not happening 21:00 * Brooke pines ever missing virtual farewells. 20:59 gmcharlt cait: good night 20:58 cait bye all and save travels home for the kudos attendees 20:57 cait frustrating :( 20:55 cait but better go to bed now before I found out about more lost things 20:55 rangi k 20:55 cait rangi: will try to find the copy of the mail tomorrow - perhaps I am lucky and it's still on the other laptop 20:52 * Brooke at least knows where the handbrake is. 20:52 Brooke tis bigger on the inside. 20:51 cait I think a lot of people would want to move into the tardis with him 20:51 * Brooke suspects Rangi needs a tardis to find more time. 20:51 rangi if you cant find it, just note it and ill try to find the time to write it 20:49 rangi :) 20:49 rangi and i still lose things 20:49 rangi means yuo have to work out a good system 20:49 * cait has learned her lesson 20:49 rangi i just pretty much never delete anything ever 20:48 cait deleting branches on bulk was a really bad idea 20:48 cait rangi: killed that branch with the patch too - have to dig it out too... 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5901 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make virtualshelves permissions more granular 20:47 cait I want my bug 5901 back:( 20:47 * jcamins isn't there, either, but that seems like the only other sensible response. 20:47 cait hehe 20:47 jcamins cait: cheered? 20:47 cait bg: only half the crowd? what did the other half do? 20:46 Brooke boo wahanui, boo. 20:46 wahanui brendan is with his family 20:46 Brooke brendan? 20:46 bg slave driving 20:46 bg half the crowd looked at me and said - you're mean... cracking the whip... 20:46 Brooke any heckling is good heckling ;) 20:46 rangi heckling_by_proxy++ 20:46 rangi :) 20:45 bg rangi - gave the oi, you've got QA patches to do 20:45 cait magnuse: probably lost it 20:45 * Brooke sighs at how much trouble boys truly are. 20:45 * magnuse wishes cait good luck with her hunt! 20:42 cait hmpf. 20:42 cait it's not in the git stash list 20:40 cait and was working on the templates 20:40 cait I know I finished all the system preferences files 20:39 cait no commits 20:39 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees with magnuse and runs from Brooke 20:39 rangi or just not one for the one you want? 20:39 rangi hmm no commit lines at all 20:39 magnuse it's deprecated? 20:39 Brooke it's not evil so much as charmingly deprecated, just like me. 20:38 cait I guess that's not good 20:38 cait rangi: there seems to be no commit line 20:38 * magnuse waves to Brooke 20:38 * magnuse must just say that making isbd punctuation part of the data in marc is evil - #marcmustdie 20:38 * Brooke salutes magnuse 20:36 cait searching 20:36 cait right 20:35 rangi ull be looking for a commit not a checkout line 20:34 cait checking again 20:34 cait it was the only line I found with git reflog 20:34 oleonard Uh oh, I'm unintentionally working late! 20:34 cait did a git show and got something strange 20:34 cait looks not right, right 20:34 cait hm 20:34 rangi and that is the last commit, on the branch you deleted? 20:33 cait 9e3dbea 20:33 rangi what is the commit you are trying to merge? 20:33 oleonard Whoever decided that that kind of punctuation should be part of the standard was even more crazy than the rest of the crazies that came up with MARC 20:33 cait rangi: why did the merge tell me already up to date? :( 20:32 Brooke but seriously, you can delete that and will only be naughty in the eyes of the anal retentive. 20:32 cait Germany had decided not to do them, but not all displays in Koha look good without 20:32 Brooke rangi sit down before I spank you :P 20:31 rangi dont question the iron rules 20:31 rangi its been known to happen 20:31 cait bencahill: isbd punctuation - belongs to the marc21 standard. 20:31 rangi cataloguers will kill yuo 20:31 jcamins No. 20:31 rangi and if you dont like it 20:31 jcamins If you mean, "is there a good reason?" 20:31 Brooke ^ 20:31 jcamins bencahill: yes, that's the rule. 20:31 Brooke that's a dumb cataloguing punctuation thinger 20:31 cait hm nothing happened 20:31 Brooke Ben 20:30 * oleonard has never heard that verb used reflexively 20:30 bencahill hey guys, any idea why there is ' :' or ' /' at the end of many marc records' title fields (z39.50 from loc)? 20:30 * Brooke defenestrates. 20:29 Brooke Clear out the Queen is irritated!!! 20:29 cait ;) 20:29 * cait is irritated 20:29 rangi yeah i would cait 20:29 * Brooke bows to Cait. 20:29 cait rangi: do that git merge from a new branch? 20:29 cait hi Brooke 20:28 cait hah, found it! 20:28 Brooke kia ora 20:27 joetho_SDuser yes, by all means, heckle 20:27 bg heh will do 20:27 rangi :) 20:27 rangi and this is why i dont get invited to conferences 20:27 joetho_SDuser btw, koha-community is easier to find stuff on than it used to be. 20:27 rangi 'oi, you need to check some patches!' 20:27 cait especially notices 20:27 rangi heckle him 20:27 cait about awesome things I see on twitter 20:27 bg cool new QA is still talking 20:26 rangi yes 20:26 cait oh, feature freeze was before marseille, right? have to go farther back 20:26 rangi some new signed off patches waiting for our new qa to check :) 20:26 bg and not searching in english 20:26 cait hmpf :) 20:25 bg was kidding 20:25 cait ? 20:25 bg try searching in german :) 20:25 cait can't find it :( 20:25 cait hmpf 20:21 cait I know it must be in there,... but it's still hiding from me 20:21 rangi cool 20:21 cait ok, once I found that branch, will do that 20:20 rangi ill never find it in all my email :) 20:20 rangi dont put it to needs signoff, just attach it and say, chris please look at this 20:20 rangi yeah just note that 20:19 cait it's not working :( 20:19 rangi ah no, can you attach it to the bug 20:19 cait had no time to work more on it... which makes me feel guilty 20:19 cait I sent you a patch for that - when I got stuck 20:19 rangi oh 20:19 cait the updatedatabase problem with the differently named indexes for the stocknumber field 20:19 cait hehe 20:18 rangi the who? 20:18 cait rangi: did you have time to look at the stocknumberidx thing? 20:18 rangi yay :) 20:18 cait did - searching for the right line now 20:17 rangi just try git reflog in your checkout 20:17 cait trying to get the syntax mm 20:17 cait makes snese 20:17 gmcharlt cait: that is, not while you're trying to recover your commits 20:17 rangi try that out 20:16 cait like never? 20:16 rangi http://blag.ahax.de/post/421939327/recovering-a-deleted-branch-using-git-reflog 20:16 gmcharlt cait: and whatever you do, don't run git gc 20:16 rangi git reflog 20:16 * cait looks at rangi with new hope 20:16 rangi 2 secs 20:16 rangi in the bowels of git 20:15 rangi cait: its most likely still there 20:15 cait really annoying 20:15 cait I was deleting all those branches from marseille and my 3.4 patching frenzy and deleted my work on the granular permissions for list thing :( 20:15 cait rangi: goodpoint 20:15 rangi then if you delete a local branch, theres at least a copy somewhere else 20:14 cait but was thinking about getting one 20:14 rangi ahh well even that is good, just get in the habit of pushing there 20:14 cait no, only github so far 20:14 rangi cait: do you have a gitorious account? 20:10 * oleonard pictures some kind of gitpocalypse in his past 20:09 cait and not accidently delete one hmpf. 20:09 oleonard This is why one must maintain good git branches 20:09 bg heh 20:08 * oleonard posted a screenshot of a suggested bug fix three years ago and has forgotten how he did it 20:04 druthb i can haz cheezburgers? 20:04 Talljoy No, iz want mur catz 20:01 * bg proposes "who wants to look at pictures of pretty cars?" 20:01 nengard rangi++ 20:01 cait rangi++ 20:01 rangi :) 20:01 rangi and say look its easy 20:00 rangi and then they can yell at their vendor to do it 20:00 bg RFC's 20:00 rangi might be nice for ppl to learn how to get code into koha 20:00 bg ahhh it would be nice for someone to give a tour of the wiki :) like SQL reports and JQuery libraries... etc 19:59 rangi thats it 19:59 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 19:59 rangi :) 19:59 rangi wizzyrea: help! 19:59 rangi try search for bug/enhancemnt 19:58 rangi no on the wiki 19:58 gmcharlt that's the generic one 19:58 wahanui it has been said that bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 19:58 rangi bugzilla? 19:58 gmcharlt http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/tip/en/html/lifecycle.html ? 19:58 rangi can't member under what 19:58 bg bugs? 19:57 rangi wizzyrea added it 19:57 gmcharlt lifecycle page? 19:57 bg yo bot - you got the link? 19:57 gmcharlt lifecycle? 19:57 rangi the bot knows it 19:57 rangi not on my phone 19:57 bg it smelled like snow 19:57 gmcharlt bg: there were rumours of a couple snowflakes being sighted earlier today 19:56 * bg feels like there is going to be snow outside later... it just felt like that out there 19:56 bg got a link handy rangi? 19:55 rangi show the lifecycle page for bugs 19:54 nengard it's not the newest version of bugzilla, but still 19:54 nengard :) 19:54 nengard bugzilla? I have a tutorial video for that 19:54 bg teach us bugzilla 19:54 nengard teach what? huh? 19:54 * druthb is always willing to chatter about/show-and-tell my scripts in advance of the general release of 'em. 19:53 * bg offers up nengard to teach us :) 19:53 wizzyrea_ dev cycle too 19:53 wizzyrea_ propose that plz 19:53 * bg was thinking that maybe a small group that wants to learn about bugzilla -- would be a good one for someone to offer 19:53 rangi some of the best 'conferences' I have been to have been unconfs 19:52 Talljoy I thought it was going to be a debriefing. I may need one. :-/ 19:51 rangi and they are discussions not presentations 19:51 rangi then you all plan the sessions for the next day or so 19:50 rangi the idea is you get a bunch of interesting ppl together 19:50 skushner no 19:50 bg no stinking badgers 19:50 rangi now there are lots of unconferences 19:50 wizzyrea_ one mre night with the badgers? 19:50 * bg has one more night in the doubletree 19:49 rangi that kinda started it 19:49 bg gmcharlt - wednesday morning 19:49 rangi skushner: heard of foocamp? 19:49 gmcharlt bg: when are you heading home? 19:49 rangi and no presentations 19:48 rangi so topics of actual interest can be discussed 19:48 rangi its planned by the ppl actually there 19:48 skushner like spontaneous karaoke..or something? 19:48 rangi not preplanned 19:48 margo or oxymoronic 19:48 wizzyrea_ minimal planning. 19:47 margo so the unconference planning is a little ironic 19:47 bg something that's not planned 19:47 skushner what's unconference? 19:46 rangi unconferences++ 19:46 bg then it's the end :( 19:46 gmcharlt right 19:46 bg after sekjal I think it's unconference 19:45 rangi anyone asked scls what version of koha they are running yet? 19:45 cait or after? 19:45 cait sekjal 19:45 rangi who's up next? 19:45 cait wb rangi 19:45 bg wb rangi 19:44 * druthb puts on her pinch-proof armor. 19:44 nengard druthb, you got that right :) hehe 19:43 rangi back 19:42 oleonard slideshare-- # for requiring flash 19:42 oleonard druthb++ # for posting files 19:42 cait right, lba++ 19:41 wizzyrea_ lba++ 19:41 cait and wizzyrea++ again - so thankful 19:41 wizzyrea_ lba is tweeting too 19:41 cait gmcharlt++ 19:41 cait wizzyrea++ for tweeting 19:41 druthb my slides, by the by, are available *now* on my blog at http://www.librarygeekgirl.net, and I will slideshare them, lest nengard come and pinch me. 19:40 huginn margo: The current temperature in Mineola, Texas is 20.0�C (2:35 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 19:40 margo @wunder 75773 19:40 cait that's the best name for an airport ever 19:40 huginn coryj: The current temperature in Hawthorn Hills Elementary School, Wausau, Wisconsin is 5.6�C (2:42 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady). 19:40 coryj @wunder 54476 19:40 huginn bg: The current temperature in New York JFK, New York is 18.0�C (2:51 PM EDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 19:40 bg @wunder jfk 19:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8�C (8:45 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). 19:39 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:39 cait I love boo 19:38 huginn bg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 19:38 bg @wunder boo 19:38 oleonard See, could be worse. But not that much worse ;) 19:38 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 19:38 oleonard @wunder bodo, norway 19:37 bg :p 19:37 wizzyrea_ pansy californian. :) 19:37 bg that is so cold 19:37 huginn bg: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 7.0�C (2:15 PM CDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 19:37 bg @wunder madison, wi 19:37 bg wow wishing I was there :) 19:37 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 27.7�C (12:39 PM PDT on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 19:37 bg @wunder 93109 19:36 druthb thanks, folks.. 19:36 druthb heh. 19:36 joetho_SDuser wish I was there 19:34 coryj druthb++ 19:34 cait druthb++ 19:34 oleonard then I don't have to buy the book? :) 19:33 druthb So I see. @loriayre practically quoted the whole thing. 19:33 bg druthb++ 19:33 oleonard Hi druthb, the Twitterverse liked your presentation 19:19 * oleonard wonders why his VM is so slow today 19:19 wizzyrea_ that does seem odd 19:19 wizzyrea_ actually... hm, not sure why exactly there are *three* 19:19 wizzyrea_ you can kick the other two if you want :P 19:18 wizzyrea_ oy 19:18 coryj Lo 19:17 bg heh 19:16 oleonard Oh no, that's cats. 19:16 oleonard I always thought you shouldn't have three because two would gang up on the other one. 19:16 cait hmtrue 19:15 bg three wizzyrea's are better than two 19:15 cait 3 wizzyreas? 19:10 cait being_far_away-- 19:10 bg yeah but less than 10 days :) 19:08 joetho_SDuser indexing can be slow 19:08 bg yeah screen is fun like that 19:08 jcamins I'm watching myself type. 19:08 bg ah math was easy - getting the damn bots to respond is what was killing me 19:08 jcamins Hey, running screen with -x on my phone and laptop is pretty cool. 19:08 joetho_SDuser Yay!! I knew you could do it! 19:08 wizzyrea_ jcamins is awesome like that 19:08 jcamins :P 19:08 jcamins joetho_SDuser: I managed to do it in my head. 19:07 wizzyrea_ :P 19:07 wizzyrea_ at least we're not sirsi users 19:07 joetho_SDuser you all get an F in math class today 19:06 bg IRC they are on zebra 19:06 bg hmmm... I wonder how often the Nat lib of Venezuela - reindexes their system 19:06 wahanui 9.91666666666667 19:06 cait wahanui: 238/24 19:06 wizzyrea_ oo 19:06 cait hm 19:05 wahanui 5 19:05 cait wahanui: 2+3 19:05 bg noice 19:05 margo jcamins: I always pad my time estimates 19:05 cait 238/24 19:05 jcamins margo: no, you have two hours cushion. 19:05 huginn bg: 9.91666666667 19:05 bg @math calc 238/24 19:04 huginn bg: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 19:04 bg @google calc 238 hours in days? 19:04 huginn bg: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 19:04 bg @math calc 238 hours in days? 19:04 huginn bg: 238 days and 13 hours ago, I had a conversation that changed my ...: <http://www.comfortqueen.com/jens-experiment>; L4P Review™ JLC Reverso Grande Date - 238 hours of power reserve ...: <http://www.luxury4play.com/l4p-watch-review/14782-l4p-review-jlc-reverso-grande-date-238-hours-power-reserve.html>; Detective Conan Episode 238 | Watch Detective Conan Anime Online: <http://www.animecrazy.net (2 more messages) 19:04 bg @google 238 hours in days? 19:03 margo 10 days?! 19:03 wizzyrea_ HA 19:03 huginn bg: 238 19:03 bg @math calc 34*7 19:03 huginn wizzyrea_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 19:03 wizzyrea_ @google calc 35*7 19:03 cait 3*7 19:03 huginn bg: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc". 19:03 bg @calc 34*7 19:03 margo =34*7 19:02 bg heh 19:02 cait too tired 19:02 wizzyrea_ maths, i has not a brain for it. 19:02 bg how long for 17 million records? 19:01 cait :) 19:00 wizzyrea_ cait: druthb just said that half a million bibs = ~7 hrs for indexing 18:42 wizzyrea_ heh 18:40 joetho_SDuser <---I am the ultimate beta version 18:40 cait proposal? 18:40 joetho_SDuser I am working on the eula 18:40 wizzyrea_ you gonna respond in triplicate? 18:40 joetho_SDuser what is the P in rfp. 18:39 joetho_SDuser spell it out. 18:39 wizzyrea_ sneaky 18:39 wizzyrea_ oh oh 18:39 wizzyrea_ for what... boyfriends? 18:39 joetho_SDuser my girlfriend has issued an RFP 18:37 bg or even birds nests 18:37 wizzyrea_ LOOOL 18:37 bg and fire starters too 18:37 gmcharlt RFPS-- # now restoring balance 18:37 nengard :) 18:36 gmcharlt RFPS++ # shredded, they make great insulation! 18:36 bg RFPs-- 18:31 wizzyrea_ bye rhcl 18:26 rhcl_kudos my bus is getting ready to leave. bye kudos.... 18:19 wizzyrea_ :)) 18:19 jcamins wizzyrea_: I thought you'd appreciate that. 18:13 margo hello oleonard! 18:13 oleonard Hi margo 18:08 wizzyrea_ jcamins: HA! 18:06 oleonard joetho_SDuser: You've met me, I'm the opposite of the godfather of soul 18:06 jwagner Godfather has a friendlier ring than Capo ... 18:05 joetho_SDuser it's Owen, the Godfather of SOUL!!! 18:05 Talljoy That's me. At the kudos conference 18:05 jwagner oleonard, you earned it :-) 18:05 oleonard Hi jwagner, thanks for the shout-outs today. :) 18:04 oleonard You must be the talljoy I saw retweeted today 18:03 oleonard Hi Talljoy 17:41 cait jcamins++ :) 17:16 jcamins wizzyrea_: that paste was for you. :) 17:15 oleonard Oh, everyone is at lunch 17:15 pastebot "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Coming soon to theatres near you" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29 17:15 * oleonard checks the KudosCon schedule 17:02 oleonard Who you callin' a minion? 17:02 Oak night crazy minions 16:52 joetho_SDuser FOOD FIGHT 16:50 cait hehe 16:49 sekjal cognito ergo NOM 16:48 cait enjoy :) 16:48 Talljoy Nom nom nom 16:48 rhcl_kudos kudos goes to lunch 16:48 wahanui crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder 16:48 wizzyrea_ crazy? 16:47 wizzyrea_ crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder 16:47 jcamins I wonder if we could get huginn to repeat that quote every time someone said the word "crazy" 16:45 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 16:45 huginn wizzyrea_: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:45 wizzyrea_ @quote get 123 16:45 rhcl_kudos then they created something crazy and complicated like a marc record 16:45 wizzyrea_ that is the gist of the very first conversation I had with rangi 16:45 wizzyrea_ heh 16:44 rhcl_kudos a database contains records, records have fields. Simple stuff 16:44 * sekjal is deep in thought, but very hungry... 16:44 rhcl_kudos as a sysadmin, it seems to me that librarians took a perfectly simple concept.... 16:42 druthb sekjal will have that whole thing coded up by nightfall, clever fellow that he is... 16:42 sekjal public libraries probably don't need the MeSH headings for a record 16:42 druthb sekjal++ 16:42 wizzyrea_ ^^ this 16:42 sekjal with a distributed version control for cataloging records, we could have a core record, then branches for the metadata customizations that different types of libraries need 16:41 wizzyrea_ (I could be totally misunderstanding what he's saying) 16:41 wizzyrea_ not just version control, but other git-ish functions too 16:41 jcamins But then, OCLC killed RLIN, and I still gnash my teeth at them for that, so obviously I disagree. 16:40 wizzyrea_ I would think that having the record with the most correct, most complete data, that a merge function might be really handy for that 16:40 druthb gmcharlt++ #version control on bibliographic metadata 16:40 rhcl_kudos <a non-cataloguer asks> 16:40 jcamins rhcl_kudos: according to OCLC? VC is unnecessary. 16:40 rhcl_kudos do marc records change so much that version control has value, or is VC more for sharing? 16:37 jcamins Heh. 16:37 wizzyrea_ this sounds like the beginning of a joke: a cataloger walks into the office and turns on the computer and... 16:36 jcamins wizzyrea++ # actual catalogers talking about Koha's cataloging features 16:35 wizzyrea_ ha 16:35 huginn wizzyrea_: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 16:35 wizzyrea_ @quote get 102 16:33 bg I feel like I've been hearing about it coming for so long... 16:33 jcamins Though, 102 also applies to RDA. 16:33 bg yeah RDA seems like it's never going to be coming 16:33 cait ah, now I was too slow :) 16:33 jcamins bg: see above, re: RDA. ;) 16:33 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 16:33 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:33 jcamins @quote get 123 16:33 cait 123 16:33 huginn jcamins: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." 16:33 jcamins @quote search thingsihavelearnt 16:32 jcamins bg is questioning RDA. ;) 16:32 jcamins What's rangi's quote on librarians and crazy ideas? 16:32 nengard heh 16:32 jcamins That wasn't it. 16:32 huginn jcamins: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 16:32 jcamins @quote get 102 16:30 jwagner I raised that as a possibility on the IRC a while back & was told that we would probably be the only ones interested in that option 16:30 jwagner To answer comments I saw here and on the twitter feed, everything I showed is available in current head with the sole exception of allowing the apache stylesheet setting to use a remote URL instead of storing that on the Koha server. 16:18 wizzyrea_ so, close your lappy, get logged out 16:18 wizzyrea_ plus it's a conf, and not everybody has something like bip to manae their IRC 16:13 coryj If client doesn't do any keep-alive you get disconnected it appears. 16:13 coryj I think it is a UW thing. Friend who works here loses ssh connections to remote servers after a period of inactivity 16:12 rhcl_kudos mibbit seems to be keeping a good lock for me 16:11 Talljoy I keep getting dropped myself. Might be my machine or the wifi... 16:11 joetho_SDuser "the godfather of opac customization" < LUV DAT 16:10 nengard bad wifi there? 16:10 nengard what's with all the logging in and out? 16:07 coryj iPad != koha devel tool. 15:48 henryb word 15:47 cait back 15:36 druthb image_resizing_without_maintaining_aspect_ratio-- 15:28 wizzyrea_ *nod* it's purty 15:28 bg yeah the Linkcat one looks nice 15:27 bg coryj++ 15:27 rhcl_kudos these are great binoculars--Pentax, lightweight, very very clear optics 15:27 coryj Maybe the type could be bigger without the header bar atop the slides. ;-) 15:27 bg nice and clear and easy to read 15:27 bg yup I could see the screen great with the binoculars 15:26 bg not yet 15:26 rhcl_kudos bg: u want my binoculars? 15:25 bg jcamins i_know_i_can't 15:25 jcamins bg: you think _you_ can't see the slides? 15:25 wizzyrea_ it's pretty small 15:25 bg rhcl_kudos I think you need to pass those bins around 15:25 bg man I can't see many of the slides? anyone else 15:23 Talljoy Here we go 15:23 * druthb winks at Talljoy. 15:21 jcamins rhcl_kudos: sadly no. Just stupid problems with suggestions. ;) 15:21 rhcl_kudos can he fix the problem with stupid suggestions? 15:20 jcamins wizzyrea_: ah, right. 15:20 Talljoy Druthb was thinking the same thing. :) 15:20 * gmcharlt teases 15:20 gmcharlt jcamins++ # guess ;) 15:20 wizzyrea_ fixed that stupid problem we had with suggestions :) 15:20 jcamins wizzyrea_: what did I do? 15:19 wizzyrea_ jcamins++ 15:18 druthb I keep waiting for a PTFS-only feature to pop up in her preso. 15:16 wizzyrea_ bg: word, we have lots more and better ways to customize 15:14 druthb mari_marvel++ 15:13 druthb =-O 15:13 huginn druthb: mari_marvel has neutral karma. 15:13 druthb @karma mari_marvel 15:12 bg rhcl_kudos++ 15:12 bg RHCL++ 15:11 bg to bad we are getting a demo on koha 3.0 right now 15:10 kf will be back 15:10 kf running home to follow the tweets from there 15:08 * druthb wishes kf was here, in a big way. 15:07 kf :) 15:07 kf keep tweeting! 15:07 kf of course! 15:06 rhcl_kudos kudos wishes you were here too. :) are you following the tweets? 15:05 * kf wished she was there 15:05 kf hmpf 15:05 sekjal oleonard++ 15:05 wizzyrea_ big ups for oleonard at kudoscon :) 15:05 wizzyrea_ oleonard++ 14:38 tcohen jcamins, its paul_p's patch 14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5724 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Sometimes deletes aren't processed correctly by rebuild zebra 14:32 jcamins tcohen++ # I hadn't noticed the fix for bug 5724 14:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5166] Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166> 14:23 margo jcamins: i'm going to get right on that (in my spare time, i mean) 14:23 kf np 14:22 jcamins kf: I saw it, but I don't know much about acquisitions. Sorry. 14:22 kf have you come across soething like that? missing quantity in oders? 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors 14:22 jcamins margo: you'll probably like bug 5158, then. 14:22 kf jcamins: have you seen my acq problem a bit earlier? 14:21 margo i love cookies 14:21 kf not a bad idea gmcharlt :) 14:21 wizzyrea_ :) 14:20 gmcharlt kf: time for the Cookie Monster to become the next Koha mascot? :) 14:20 coryj People do talk about koha here? 14:20 jcamins kf: people not at Kudos might think that, too. :P 14:20 slef I'm farting around with admin at the moment. Too little koha hacking :/ 14:19 kf you know, people at kudos will think we never talk about koha here - but only about cookies and chocolate 14:19 slef (the Belgians do not like the Brits putting so much butter in our chocolate) 14:19 kf lol 14:19 slef (there have been many European arguments about chocolate and cocoa labelling, but I don't remember any recent major ones) 14:18 slef jcamins: aha! Well probably same food labelling rules apply to UK and Germany on this one. 14:18 jcamins slef: yes, I was very happy when I was in the UK that cocoa was just cocoa. 14:18 slef kf: really? I think ours has powdered milk but no sugar. 14:17 druthb :) 14:17 slef jcamins: I think your cocoa drink powder is what is called powdered hot chocolate here. 14:17 kf I think it's probably the second, drink powder has lots of sugar but not enough flavour 14:17 Talljoy Hi druthb. Did you enjoy lurking through my pix? I saw you. LOL 14:16 mari_marvel mmm...chocolate 14:16 jcamins We have "cocoa drink powder," which is useless, and -- if you look hard enough -- real cocoa. 14:16 kf no sugar in it 14:16 kf e 14:16 kf it's also used for hot chocolat 14:16 kf it's not really called like that 14:16 jcamins slef: we don't have baking cocoa. 14:16 slef some strange USian concoction 14:15 slef I've got a suspicion that baking cocoa is not all cocoa 14:15 kf ok :) 14:15 jcamins So you just need regular baking cocoa for chocolate bread. :) 14:14 jcamins Okay, then you probably use Dutch-processed cocoa. 14:14 kf e 14:14 kf jcamins: I believe backing powder - but not sure I use it at all for the brownie recipe I hav 14:14 jcamins kf: I'm just curious. 14:14 margo good morning nengard :) 14:14 jcamins kf: it doesn't really matter. :) 14:14 nengard hiya margo 14:14 mari_marvel hi druthb! 14:13 kf ugh 14:13 jcamins kf: ah, here's the way to tell what kind of chocolate. Do you use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or baking powder to make brownies rise? 14:12 kf jcamins: perhaps a little - and it has no sugar 14:11 * druthb waves over her shoulder to Talljoy and mari_marvel. 14:11 kf um 14:11 jcamins kf: is it at all reddish? 14:10 kf dark brown 14:10 margo like brownies 14:10 margo yes, baking cocoa is brown 14:10 liw brown? 14:09 jcamins kf: what color is baking cocoa? 14:09 kf jcamins: I think cocoa for baking should work 14:09 jcamins kf: yes it does. 14:08 kf jcamins: does still sound english ;) 13:50 jcamins kf: according to Wikipedia, the German term is "Dutching". 13:50 kf paul_p: they have 6 baskets witht his problem - I will certainly here about it if it happens again 13:49 kf jcamins: or the explanation I found in a German baking forum :) 13:49 tcohen but its ok if those patches have more than one sign-off 13:49 kf jcamins: google says normal cocoa for baking 13:49 tcohen i think the last one needed sign-off 13:49 jcamins kf: http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/food-science/pantry-basics-what-is-dutch-process-cocoa-041045 13:48 paul_p kf maybe you can keep it in you mind and if the problem arise again, then file a bug 13:48 conan tcohen: the signoff splitted in 6 individual patches, I sent them all, I hope I did ok 13:48 tcohen conan, change it to signed-off 13:48 kf jcamins: what's different to normal? 13:48 kf paul_p: I can't reproduce it - but setting the quantity to 1 seems to fix it. but it would be good to know how those lines happened :( 13:48 conan tcohen: done, should I put something on bugzilla? 13:47 jcamins kf: I don't know the term in German. 13:47 paul_p kf, nope, sorry, never heard of this problem (sorry, was on phone) 13:46 kf jcamins: Dutch-processed cocoa?? 13:45 kf paul_p: I had hoped you have a patch or bug report for that ;) 13:44 tcohen conan: not in that branch 13:43 jcamins And use Dutch-processed cocoa. 13:42 jcamins kf: if you decide to make chocolate bread, use more than 7.5% cocoa powder. 13:41 rhcl_kudos hihi 13:40 druthb Good morning, #koha. 13:37 conan hum... I forgot to pull this morning, will that be an issue? 13:35 jcamins It doesn't matter, because the [SIGNED-OFF] bit will be removed when chris pushes it. 13:34 conan should I shorten title to not exceed agreed characters? 13:33 jcamins git commit --amend 13:33 jcamins conan: yes you can. 13:33 conan :| 13:33 conan I forgot to add the string [sign off] 13:33 conan tcohen: can I re-ammend the ammend? 13:33 conan so it's not you, it's js 13:33 conan tcohen: exactly, and daemon log shows everything's fine 13:32 tcohen i mean, you do find the authority, but the javascript that pulls it into the record fails? 13:31 conan tcohen: do you think? 13:31 conan http://192.168.212.14:8080/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/blinddetail-biblio-search.pl?authid=4&index= 13:31 conan it opens a blank page with this url: 13:31 tcohen thats because new/enh/bug_5166 its far behind master 13:30 tcohen sweet 13:30 conan tcohen: now I can't choose the found authority, but that has nothing to do with your patch 13:30 conan tcohen: beautiful :) 13:26 tcohen try running both with sudo (zebraqueue_daemon.pl and zebrasrv -f koha-conf.xml) 13:25 tcohen have you run zebrasrv with sudo? 13:25 tcohen conan: its a permissions problem 13:21 kf the lines that show received have no cancellation date 13:20 kf there are cancelled orders in this basket - but that's not the lines with the problem 13:20 kf quantitiy received is 0 - which makes sense, quantity is null 13:20 paul_p if it's qty, then it means someone/something has cancelled the order 13:19 paul_p quantity or quantity recieved ? 13:19 kf orders 13:19 kf and I can't reproduce it 13:19 paul_p items or orders ? 13:19 kf they have no delivery date, but I see that the quantity is set to null - which I think shouldn't be possible 13:19 kf and I see it 13:19 kf my library reports baskets with items marked as rcvd that were not received 13:19 paul_p ok, throw your pb, we'll see what we can do 13:18 paul_p or ih, or uh, as you want ;-) 13:18 kf I have an acq problem and hoped you might have an idea about it 13:18 tcohen let me see 13:18 tcohen conan, looks like you don't have zebra database initializaed 13:18 kf or ah 13:18 kf oh 13:17 paul_p kf, yep ! 13:16 conan that's from zebraqueue btw 13:16 kf paul_p: around? 13:16 conan tcohen: are the steps I show you in my mail ok? 13:16 conan 10:15:37-03/05 zebraidx(8464) [fatal] Could not select database authorities errCode=109 13:16 conan Tue May 3 10:15:37 2011 2 authority record(s) exported for update 13:16 conan tcohen: check this: 13:11 conan I was doing the other way around 13:07 tcohen at least its pretty easy to solve :-D 13:07 tcohen so it is the default 13:07 tcohen move the [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] section to the bottom 13:07 conan crap, I didn't mind this error before because everything were working fine 13:07 kf ok, I have items marked as (rcvd) in acq - but the library says no deliverey / receive was done 13:07 tcohen you shouldn't be using Expat, LibXML instead 13:07 kf ugh 13:07 pastebot "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "/etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28 13:07 tcohen misc/sax_parser_print.pl 13:07 tcohen run 13:07 conan it seems fine 13:05 conan wouldn't know what to look for in there 13:03 tcohen less /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 13:03 tcohen have you cjecked your sax parser setup? 13:02 conan possibly 13:02 tcohen maybe something wrong with your dev setup? 13:02 conan crap 13:02 tcohen conan, I don't see that error you see 13:00 conan kf: it's too far from me now 13:00 conan kf: it's something that seems unrelated to his patch, something broken with C4/Context.pm 13:00 tcohen hi conan 13:00 conan tcohen: good morning, check your mail please 12:57 kf I would add what you tried to make it work to the bug :) but here he is 12:56 conan kf: I already sent him a mail, but I don't wanna add to the bug until I know I'm doing the steps correctly, maybe it's me the one failing and not his patch 12:51 kf conan: perhaps send him a mail or add to the bug 12:43 conan I hope I get the nick alright 12:42 conan thanks 12:42 conan cool 12:42 huginn conan: The operation succeeded. 12:42 conan @later tell tcohen - bug 5166, can't sign off, zebraqueue_daemon.pl explodes, check your mail 12:41 nengard :) 12:41 nengard kf++ 12:41 jcamins Like that. 12:41 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:41 jcamins @later tell conan Stuff 12:40 conan how do you use the bot that tells stuff later to someone not logged in? 12:32 kf jcamins: documentation is important :) 11:58 jcamins I should probably write down the recipe I made up while I still remember it. 11:58 jcamins It's rising now. 11:57 kf :) 11:55 jcamins I hope. 11:55 jcamins kf: It's going to be delicious. 11:52 kf jcamins: I think I have dreamt about chocolate bread 11:50 conan jcamins: good morning, and hello everybody 11:50 jcamins Good morning, coworkers. 11:40 * jcamins hums about chocolate bread 11:40 jcamins Good morning, #koha 11:29 kf hi gmcharlt :) 11:27 rangi morning gmcharlt 11:22 gmcharlt 'ello 'ello 11:12 rangi :) 11:12 slef bbl 11:12 slef right, now I'm really off to call yestofairervotes.org 11:12 rangi and will waste a lot of money 11:12 rangi yup 11:12 slef irritating though 11:11 rangi i scheme of things, its probably doomed to fail anyway 11:10 rangi so we probably have another 3 years of them 11:10 rangi unfortunately the leader of the labour party is as appealing as cold vomit 11:09 rangi and then sell 11:09 rangi cut and merge, cut and merge 11:09 rangi national govt .. its what they do 11:09 slef erm because that makes sense :-/ 11:09 rangi and they got merged into dept of internal affairs 11:08 rangi and the national librarian resigned 11:08 slef easy to forget from here 11:08 slef oh yeah 11:08 rangi yes, but they did have 2 major earthquakes 11:08 rangi each one of a pretty average size 11:08 slef 8 month lag :-/ 11:08 rangi but it was 3 like i say 11:08 rangi slef: that was just the answer :) the actual amount to read was longer than that 11:07 slef kf: yeah, pretty short one 11:07 rangi had to demonstrate financial viability 11:07 kf 400! 11:07 rangi im pretty sure no particular legal form 11:07 slef the legal form one deffo comes under "I can't believe it's legal to require that" 11:06 slef some of the nasties I've seen from RFPs here 11:06 rangi we responded 8 months ago, i cant remember all 400 pages of it 11:06 slef sorry, I'm just listing the attributes I suggested 11:06 rangi im sorry i mentioned it :) 11:06 rangi jesus 11:06 slef did it require suppliers to take a particular legal form? 11:06 rangi it did actually 11:05 slef did it take into account the exit cost of migrating away at any end of a licence period? 11:05 rangi dunno and dunno 11:05 slef had they ever used koha? 11:05 slef who drafted the spec? 11:04 rangi used a spec 11:04 slef did it use a spec? 11:04 slef did it favour all-in-one black box LMS? 11:03 rangi what attributes? 11:03 slef rangi: oic. "watch this space". Do you think the RFP had any of the attributes I suggested? 11:03 rangi 1 for ils, 1 for discovery layer, 1 for hosting 11:02 rangi slef: it was 3 rfp 11:02 kf probably 11:02 kf hm 11:02 slef kf: so it should be retagged master? 11:02 rangi slef: now its announced we should be getting a debrief, we'll see 11:02 kf so you have to ungroup it first, which is not what people expect 11:02 slef rangi: was catalyst told why its RFP was unsuccessful? 11:01 kf you only see the buttion to reopen a basket when it's not attached to a basket group 11:01 kf it's a usability problem I think 11:01 rangi slef: yes, so your blanket call them a twit is only sometimes valid also 11:01 kf but it's not 3.0 - it's in 3.2/3.4 11:01 kf yes, that's the problem 11:01 kf n 11:01 slef rangi: only sometimes. 11:00 slef kf: ok, so what F said is not accurate? 11:00 kf slef... blame the new keyboard 11:00 rangi sometimes its worth voting anyway, even tho the process is screwed 11:00 slef which reminds me to call yestofairervotes.org 11:00 kf new acq problem 11:00 kf mj: retagging 5365 again - it's not only 3.0 - at least 3.2 11:00 slef sometimes. Our voting system is screwed. 11:00 rangi cos that process is deeply fucked :) 10:59 rangi do you vote in your general election? 10:59 rangi not a high one, but worth us responding 10:59 rangi yes 10:59 slef so you think there was a reasonable chance Koha could have won that rfp? 10:59 rangi we've won rfp in the past 10:58 rangi you can complain its flawed process and still have a go at it 10:58 rangi im not buying that 10:57 slef if the playing field is 89 degree tilt against you, why play? 10:57 rangi there might be now the process is ended 10:57 rangi bullshit 10:57 slef There's already absolutely zero chance. 10:57 rangi gives you absolutely zero chance of kotui being koha 10:56 rangi yeah but telling them they are a twit before 10:56 slef too easy for Sirsi PR dept to handle 10:56 slef nah, just looks like sour grapes afterwards 10:56 slef I'd do that, explain why to the librarians, then account for it as social work. 10:56 rangi you can tell them that afterward 10:56 rangi but for something where librarians are pleading for you to do it seriously 10:55 slef it's in that national interest to tell them when they're being a twit! ;-) 10:55 rangi sure id do that if it wasnt the national library of nz 10:55 slef erm, twit, not tit! 10:55 slef yes, there is. You can send the "you're being a tit" response I've sent to an RFP more than once :) 10:54 rangi and our responses were solid 10:54 rangi but there is no way we could not at least try 10:54 slef well, thanks to its leaders for doing so, but it's a shame it's needed 10:53 rangi thats what answering rfp's are 10:53 slef so catalyst gambled, in other words? 10:53 slef you are in a maze of twisty procurements, all different 10:53 rangi those are the 3 chosen 10:53 rangi no 10:53 slef oh... I thought only those 3 did :-/ 10:52 rangi we did get through rfp 10:52 rangi no 10:52 slef did they say why you didn't get through to RFP? 10:52 rangi the stupid wasteful inefficient and usually useless way of doing it 10:52 rangi yep 10:52 slef oic, just general public procurement standards 10:51 slef NZ has standards for LMS RFI/RFP? 10:51 rangi with the cost of answering crazy high, literally weeks of work for 3 people 10:51 rangi it was the standard rfi/rfp process 10:50 rangi south taranaki and hauraki district were originally interested in kotui, they are now happy koha users instead, im confident they wont be the last 10:49 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15643 10:48 rangi and its not just sirsidynix they went with 10:48 rangi slef: dunno how much we can talk about it but of course we responded to the kotui rfi (we got long listed, and then it became 3 rfp) 10:35 slef mtj: can you ask again please? 10:35 slef :( 10:16 mtj so, we might just have to live with it for a bit, or cancel the nabble-user from the koha list 10:15 mtj oops, since the switch 10:15 mtj the koha-dev list on nabble is still dead, switch the switch 10:15 mtj ive been meaning to ask again... 10:14 mtj i didnt get a response yet, from the nabble admins about my Q to add kc.org folk to the koha lists :/ 10:12 rangi mtj might be the closest we have, he was working on getting the links fixed 10:12 rangi do we even have such a person? 10:11 magnuse how do you do, slef 10:11 slef hi all :) 10:11 slef who's koha's nabble liaison and can they get the spam removed from http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Help-3M-RFID-and-Koha-td3063136.html#a4364446 for us, please? 10:11 magnuse ooh, that looks handy! 10:10 rangi course ill be using obnam 10:10 magnuse ;-) 10:10 magnuse or one cloud... 10:10 rangi ditto with storing it on one hd, or one cdrom ... 10:09 rangi thats never a good idea 10:09 rangi but yeah thinking that using a usb stick to store the only copy of your data ... 10:08 snail it's avaliable after you boot, maybe? 10:08 rangi theres not much on this 10:07 magnuse "And yet there's still over 750MB of writable space you can use for storage." http://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/trisquelcard but that page might not be up to date... 10:06 rangi theres no space for any data on it 10:06 rangi its a bootable drive 10:06 snail as per http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html 10:04 snail useful maybe, but I'm not sure I'd trust a card like that with my data. particularly after some of the stuff i've been reading about ssd's recently 10:04 rangi for a measly $10 (of course continuing to pay $10 a month is nothing too) it can be yours :) 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home that's what I call a useful membership card 10:00 rangi http://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/trisquelcard 10:00 magnuse nice 09:59 rangi yep the membership card is a usb drive :) 09:59 magnuse yeah, wouldn't expect anything less ;-) 09:59 magnuse it's on the membership card? 09:59 rangi yep, only free software (of course :)) 09:59 magnuse http://trisquel.info/ ahh 09:58 magnuse huh? 09:58 rangi comes with trisequel on it very cool 09:56 magnuse yay 09:56 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 09:56 SpaceLibrarian_home awesome* 09:56 SpaceLibrarian_home aweosme! 09:55 rangi yay got my new fsf membership card 09:44 magnuse if someone could do something about the broken listing of categories on the edit page too, it would be great! ;-) 09:42 SpaceLibrarian_home whew. not just me then. :) 09:42 snail SpaceLibrarian_home: I'm waiting for confirmation too 09:24 rangi cool 09:24 SpaceLibrarian_home thanks rangi, I'll follow it up in the morning. 09:23 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org 09:20 rangi quite likely, i think people were trying to spam through it 09:18 SpaceLibrarian_home still waiting on my confirmation email from the wiki. It's been over 24 hours now, and not in my junk mail. Is there a problem with the sending? 09:02 magnuse not for me either 09:01 rangi not too bad for me 08:59 snail http://wiki.koha-community.org seems very slow, or is it just me? 08:43 Susan yay 08:43 Susan I shall do that now :) 08:43 Susan Thank you rangi, I just read your comment with the @reboot 08:24 SpaceLibrarian_home looks good, really good. 08:24 magnuse sounds nice 08:23 rangi magnuse: thats the one 08:23 rangi snail: i like the the repository url idea too 08:23 magnuse http://fai-project.org/ ? 08:22 * snail gone (walking the dog) 08:22 rangi snail: yes, with FAI and puppet 08:22 snail or more accurately, anything but windows... 08:21 snail if i were supporting 10000 machines, I'd want them to be linux too... 08:21 magnuse and why souldn't they? i finally replaced OS X with Ubuntu on my Mac Mini the other day and it's just sweet as! 08:21 SpaceLibrarian_home awesome! 08:20 magnuse yay! 08:20 kf :) 08:18 rangi kf: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/german-company-switches-10000-machines-ubuntu 08:16 rangi cool magnuse 08:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6293 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add a button to the intranet for registering with the Koha community 08:16 magnuse bug 6293 08:16 rangi nope, i changed a whole bunch i found that had no status 08:15 kf I thought I perhaps had missed something 08:15 kf done 08:15 rangi because then they dont show up anywhere 08:14 rangi but no patch status 08:14 rangi i just dont like any ones that have patch sent 08:14 kf hehe ok 08:14 rangi you can set it to does not apply 08:14 rangi so my work here is done :) 08:14 rangi and by changing it, you noticed it 08:14 rangi so was being missed by every report 08:13 rangi cos it had no status 08:13 kf and I think it will not apply any longer now - to heavy changes in acq since robin did it 08:12 kf I had tested it and found problems - but this was before we added our new status :) 08:12 kf why did you add needs sign-off? 08:11 rangi yes? 08:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow the discount to be editable 08:11 kf bug 5173 08:11 kf rangi: have a sec? 08:11 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 08:10 snail woof! woof! 08:10 rangi snail: i did like the 'as lincoln said "on the internet no one knows you arent quoting MLK"' :) 08:08 snail rangi: thanks. unretweeted. 08:07 rangi magnuse: works for me 08:07 rangi snail: http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/5150689971/misattributed-quote-of-the-day-i-mourn-the-loss 08:07 magnuse "Add a button for registering with the Koha community"? 08:03 rangi not me 08:03 magnuse anyone have a good title for it? 08:01 kf bug++ :) 08:01 rangi sure 08:01 magnuse yup 08:01 rangi koha 08:01 rangi you dont even need to know oha to do it 08:01 magnuse hm, i could edit this conversation down a bit and make a bug for it? 08:01 rangi then add the button to koha 08:00 rangi we need a student, its a perfect little project for a student, build a db, an a script to populate it 08:00 magnuse i guess we could survive that, we have managed without for a long time... :-) 07:59 rangi maybe in a month or 2 07:58 magnuse yeah, that's the next question... ;-) 07:58 magnuse s/bot/spider/ 07:58 rangi i wish i had the time to do it 07:58 magnuse sure! 07:58 rangi sure, but nice to give people the option 07:58 magnuse yeah, but if it's out in the open anyway there shouldn't be a big problem with a havibg a little bot visiting the front page once in a blue moon, i think... 07:58 rangi it could be a checkbox/syspref that just adds 'dont check' to the html, and then they have to resubmit 07:58 kf I registered our libraries on lib-web-cats and the wiki - but I agree with paul_p - none of my libraries would do that themselves 07:57 kf cool idea! 07:57 rangi ie to turn our checking off 07:57 kf +1 07:57 rangi some way to opt back out again 07:56 magnuse for? 07:56 rangi maybe a checkbox 07:56 magnuse oh my, that would be so cool! 07:56 rangi yup 07:55 magnuse and if we had the URLs of a lot of OPACs it would be trivial to write a spider to check versions 07:55 rangi then we could extend it to periodically check 07:55 magnuse yup 07:55 rangi is a good first step 07:55 rangi i think a button where we can encourage ppl to click on 07:55 snail dspace is switching to advertising versions in the generator tag too 07:54 magnuse <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0500001" /> <!-- leave this for stats --> 07:54 magnuse it's in the generator meta tag 07:54 rangi snail: yeah if they were out on the web, lots of special/corporate libraries live on intranets 07:54 snail does the generated HTML advertise the version? we could check automagically for updates / statuses 07:53 magnuse +1 07:53 rangi and totally voluntary 07:53 rangi maybe on koha-community.org 07:53 rangi would just need a webservice listening that it could post too 07:52 magnuse rangi: yes! that would be cool! 07:52 rangi it could submit the about info, that way we could get info about versions too 07:52 rangi magnuse/paul_p: maybe a button in the about page, register with the koha community ? 07:52 rangi thats them 07:51 snail ranghttp://www.facebook.com/notes/bywater-solutions/migrating-from-innovative-interfaces-millennium-to-koha-the-nyu-health-sciences-/10150112534118209 07:51 magnuse i might be confusing them with someone else 07:51 rangi we had an option to 'register' 07:51 magnuse i think they wrote an article? 07:51 rangi as part of the makefile 07:51 rangi back in about 1.2 days 07:51 rangi try to catch sekjal sometime about it 07:50 rangi snail: NYU health sciences libary did 07:50 rangi yeah 07:50 paul_p (in the yearly survey, we translated the form, send a mail to all our customer, and ... only 3 of them filed the survey :( ) 07:50 rangi funnily enough alsmot all the wiki ones were done by libraries themselves 07:50 snail does anyone know of any academic libraries that have documented their decision to move to koha? 07:49 paul_p in France, we (BibLibre) registered our libraries, only 2 of them registered themselves. and don't think a second anyone will file the wiki ! 07:49 rangi i know that biblibre has problems getting its libraries to list, because it is all in english 07:49 magnuse yup 07:48 rangi the problem with libwebcats its very american centric 07:48 magnuse yeah, we'll never get every single one 07:48 magnuse it would be cool to have a "campaign" to get more koha libraries registered 07:47 rangi so while i agree making it easier to list would be good, i still think we would still only get a fraction 07:47 magnuse yup 07:47 rangi well even libwebcats is way under reported too 07:46 magnuse perhaps there could have been more in the wiki if it was easier to add them? adding things to that huge page can seem daunting, i think 07:46 rangi which is a bit of a shame 07:45 rangi most people seem to just list on libwebcats now 07:45 rangi thats way old and under reported 07:45 snail pleasantly surprised at how many academic libraries are listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 07:43 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 07:43 huginn rangi: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 07:42 rangi @reboot /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/sip_run.sh /path/to/SIPconfig.xml sip_out.log sip_err.log >/dev/null 07:42 rangi eg 07:42 rangi or make an init.d script 07:41 rangi Susan: you do need to put it in the crontab, with an @reboot 07:38 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:38 kf good morning #koha 07:13 Susan thanks I will wait I guess 07:12 Susan hehe its ok :) 07:10 magnuse hi Susan! not sure there is anyone around at the moment who can answer your question... 06:59 Susan is the script 06:59 Susan perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm "/var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4/SIP/SIPServer.xml" >/home/mistuser/koha-dev/var/log/sip_log.out 2>/home/mistuser/koha-dev/var/log/sip_log.err & 06:58 Susan or if I start it once, it will always start up [even if I shutdown the prod machine] which happens 06:58 Susan I have just setup SIPServer and tested it, however I want to know, do I have to put this startup script in the crontab 06:57 Susan Good Day everyone, 06:52 * magnuse walks over to the other computer 06:52 paul_p kia ora guys (& women) 06:52 magnuse kia ora paul_p and Irma 06:38 rangi bbiab story time 06:37 rangi basically i tried not to change the functionality, just fix the broken query for selecting overdues 06:37 rangi but will need testing, ill try to do some 06:37 cait have to go - ttyl :) 06:37 cait need to know before testing :) 06:37 cait ok 06:37 rangi i think it will always do that now 06:36 cait so it's the list-all switch or it will always do that now? 06:36 rangi but kaizen :) 06:36 cait yes 06:36 rangi id like to have it be a syspref 06:36 cait ok 06:35 rangi they will get 2 06:35 rangi and someone has 1 item at 5, 1 at 30 06:35 rangi so if you have 5, 15, 30 day triggers 06:35 rangi ahh right, in that case, it will send one per trigger 06:34 cait in koha - in the gui 06:33 cait there are no digests for overdue notices in koha - there is a command line option to list all overdues in each notice 06:33 rangi 2 secs lemme check 06:33 rangi the type of notice i think 06:32 cait the list-all option? 06:32 cait rangi: digest? 06:31 cait or more than a little time, it takes time to create the cases 06:31 cait I can try, but notices testing takes a little time 06:31 rangi (now) 06:31 rangi it will do that, unless you have digest chosen 06:30 cait and they expected that more than one notice can go out 06:30 rangi if someone has time to sign off that would be great 06:30 rangi *nod* 06:30 cait our library was complaining about that (amongst other things) 06:30 magnuse sounds like an improvement to me! 06:30 cait yes 06:30 rangi but at least now, ppl will get overdues 06:30 cait it's a improvement 06:29 rangi it still needs a total rewrite but i dont have the time :( 06:29 rangi so i think the patch is an improvement, since it now checks all overdues, not just the oldest 06:29 rangi it still wont get an overdue 06:28 rangi and even without -t 06:28 rangi the one that was due a long time ago would keep getting picked, and it wont match a trigger 06:28 rangi even if you have 1000 other items that just went overdue 06:27 rangi cait: and yeah i think the way the overdues work now is fundamentally flawed if you have 1 item that is long overdue, you will never get any overdue notices 06:27 magnuse headaches-- 06:27 magnuse yay 06:27 rangi slept off the worst of my headache 06:26 * rangi wanders in for a little bit 06:25 cait good night bg 06:25 magnuse sleep tight bg 06:24 bg alright night all 06:24 bg :) 06:24 magnuse bg: not lot i think... 06:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.2�C (8:25 AM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Rising). 06:24 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:24 bg magnuse - what's up in NORMARC :) 06:24 bg hiya cait 06:24 magnuse just a minor comment on the temperature i nmy neck of the woods... 06:23 magnuse hiya cait 06:23 cait morning SpaceLibrarian_home, magnuse and bg 06:23 cait hrmpf? :) 06:23 magnuse hrmpf :-) 06:14 bg sweet 06:14 huginn bg: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 17.0�C (10:53 PM PDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 06:14 bg @wunder SBA 06:13 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on May 03, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 06:10 magnuse @wunder boo 06:09 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.8�C (11:12 PM PDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). 06:09 bg @wunder 93109 06:09 SpaceLibrarian_home morning cait! 05:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 05:58 cait rang: bug 6292 - always thought it's supposed to be like that - but happy if that can be changed :) 05:57 cait morning 05:31 Brooke Koha: Buckin' the trend. :D 05:31 Brooke http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3357/2951 05:31 Brooke Male domination is also common: all of the respondents were male in the OSH community (comparable to 96 percent in the OSS communities). 05:27 * Brooke suspects her interwebs connection had one too many green chiles. 04:33 SpaceLibrarian_home that they do. 04:33 * Brooke suspects by the look of the teapots they know a good sand clay pot for soup 04:32 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke: yes. to both. 04:32 ibeardslee oh cute cursor trails 04:32 Brooke oooh the cursor zhous are cool 04:31 Brooke if one must drink to a Goddess, that's a good pick 04:30 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke: https://www.tleaft.co.nz/ 04:29 SpaceLibrarian_home must see if I can find it. Currently drinkin Ti Kuan Yin... yum 04:29 Brooke hi amit 04:29 AmitG Brooke 04:29 Brooke http://www.itoen.com/ 04:29 AmitG heya Brokke 04:28 SpaceLibrarian_home ito en? eh? 04:28 Brooke hardcore tea. 04:28 Brooke dunno if you can find it in eNZed, but I enjoy ito en once in a long while. 04:28 Brooke :D 04:27 * SpaceLibrarian_home toasts Brooke with her freshly brewed green tea 04:27 * Brooke passes some chocolate discreetly under the table with a wink. 04:27 * Brooke blushes. 04:26 * SpaceLibrarian_home enjoyed the post. 04:24 * Brooke_ suspects the editors of peeking at diaries. 04:23 Brooke_ and digital music 04:23 Brooke_ open source hardware :D 04:23 Brooke_ first monday is all spyey this month 04:23 Brooke_ oh sechsy 04:22 Brooke_ blue on white is easier on the eyes 04:21 Oak hm, why the light blue font mam? 04:21 SpaceLibrarian_home looksy. dammit 04:20 * SpaceLibrarian_home goes to looks 04:20 SpaceLibrarian_home oooh! 04:20 Brooke_ it's very ranty. 04:20 Brooke_ www.insomniaclibrarians.com 04:20 Brooke_ and I was _supposed_ to have help 04:20 Brooke_ I don't write too often 04:20 wahanui well, the address is fne 04:20 Oak what's the address? 04:19 Oak i want to be one of those suckers 04:19 Brooke_ I just published this bloody post and it's got 11 reads. 04:19 Brooke_ I think some suckers rss fed mah blog 04:19 Brooke_ dude 04:18 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 04:18 Oak \o/ 04:18 Brooke_ 0/ 04:18 Oak \o 04:13 SpaceLibrarian_home :p 04:12 Brooke_ if Open Library has an artist in residence, surely Catalyst could afford a toady in residence. 04:11 * Brooke_ fetches some. 04:11 SpaceLibrarian_home now I need more tea... 04:10 * SpaceLibrarian_home thought it only happened to her.. 04:09 * Brooke_ had someone call her mother once. 04:09 Brooke_ :) 04:09 * SpaceLibrarian_home dutifully drains her cup of green tea 04:09 Brooke_ or green tea. That'd do. 04:09 Brooke_ go drink lots of plain water and see what happens. 04:08 SpaceLibrarian_home yes and I, and no I haven't. Although I'm trying to rectify the latter, and I'm investigating a decent sports massage in the former.... 04:07 Brooke_ have you had enough liquid? 04:07 Brooke_ clearly you need a personal masseuse. 04:06 SpaceLibrarian_home shmeh seems to be my word of the day. I've an irritating headache I can't get rid of and is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. So I'm working with pencil and paper. Old school fun. :) 04:04 Brooke_ how are you? 04:04 Brooke_ enyway 04:04 Brooke_ I suppose tango'd work 04:03 Brooke_ it's too bloody boring and I'd rather fence me way there 04:03 Brooke_ but I doubt I'd do it 04:03 Brooke_ waltz 04:03 Brooke_ boring ballroom 04:03 Brooke_ nope 04:03 SpaceLibrarian_home the fun dancing? 04:03 Brooke_ it's useful for the distance and reaction for fencing 04:03 SpaceLibrarian_home flamenco? salsa? 04:02 Brooke_ ballroom dancing 04:02 SpaceLibrarian_home and by western dance you mean? 04:02 Brooke_ western dance, that is 04:02 Brooke_ err 04:02 Brooke_ were I not a hulking behemoth, I'd consider dance. 04:02 Brooke_ I knew once I was wittier in conversation the movement wouldn't be far behind 04:02 SpaceLibrarian_home And yay for fencing (still) 04:01 Brooke_ indeed 04:01 SpaceLibrarian_home joyful then. 04:01 Brooke_ stuff is starting to sink into my thick skull fencing wise, too. 04:01 Brooke_ good enough for gummint woik 04:01 SpaceLibrarian_home hey! How's things? 04:00 Brooke_ :D 04:00 SpaceLibrarian_home kia ora 04:00 Brooke_ kia ora! 03:20 AmitG heya chris 01:49 Space_Librarian :) 01:49 * sijobl needed the typing practice :-0 01:48 sijobl that's ok 01:48 Space_Librarian Mike6 disappeared a while ago, unfortunately. 01:48 sijobl if they're non specific 01:48 sijobl in general you should send your changes upstream 01:48 sijobl course, then you're probably just making a long term maintenance problem for yourself 01:47 sijobl if you don't distribute your version, you don't have to make the source for your version available. So if you're just developing in house, you aren't obliged to send changes upstream 01:46 sijobl but essentially the gist of both versions of the GPL is that if you distribute object code (ie compiled binaries), modified or not, free or charged, you must make the source to your modifications available as well 01:43 sijobl I wonder what they decided 01:43 * sijobl all roads on the decision of which license to use stopped at kohacon10 01:42 Space_Librarian sijobl :) 01:40 sijobl http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Koha_copyright_license 01:38 Space_Librarian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 01:38 sijobl as the source *is* the running language 01:37 sijobl WRT to the gpl v2, it's all a bit sematic wrt to intepreted languages, as there's no real way to give anybody a copy of koha, modded or not, without giving them the source 01:37 sijobl ie if you're running some kind of hosted koha, under the gpl v3 you need to make the code for that available to the users 01:36 * Space_Librarian thinks sijobl may be right... Will check the documentation. 01:36 sijobl s/offiner/offering 01:36 sijobl I think the main difference there is that if you're offiner up your modifications to Koha for others to use and it's still on your server, you have to make the code available 01:35 sijobl since some of Koha is under GPL v3 now, I'm not sure what applies 01:35 sijobl that's the traditional reading of GPL v2 01:34 sijobl if you give that copy of Koha to somebody else, then you are obliged to provide the source with it 01:34 Space_Librarian it's on the koha-community page... 01:34 sijobl if you make mods to Koha, you're not obliged to do anything with them, if they're for your own use 01:34 * sijobl is not a lawyer, but I'll give it a shot anyway 01:33 Space_Librarian dagnabit 01:33 Space_Librarian Mike6: they're all at a conference presently, so if you hang on, somebody will tell you. 01:30 Mike6 does anyone know? 01:19 Mike6 *distribute 01:19 Mike6 do I have to publish the source, or just include it if I didtribute it? 01:17 Mike6 If I make modifications to koha, what am I required to do to comply with GPL 00:39 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6292] Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292> 00:22 rangi and of course i discover a bug with it right away 00:19 rangi patch sent