Time  Nick              Message
23:47 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing a template error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d4d5989d0356153a6780b16650b2c43ed6b9e8b> / Rewriting the valid templates test to test template toolkit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2a5e0fd45fb0f9810e1a328ccb598929428f2cd>
23:44 jenkins_koha      Starting build 238 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:26 huginn            brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 26.9�C (4:28 PM PDT on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect from 3 PM this afternoon to 5 am PDT Saturday...
23:26 brendan_          @wunder 93109
23:25 magnuse           good night or other time of the day, #koha!
23:25 * magnuse         had better try and forget about that circ simulation script for a while and get some sleep...
23:22 magnuse           hiya druthb
23:22 druthb            hi, magnus! :D
23:21 magnuse           \o/
23:19 druthb            hiya, rangi.  :)
23:18 rangi             hi druthb
23:18 druthb            o/
22:36 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6033 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Add Filters to SQL Saved Reports
22:36 jenkins_koha      Chris Cormack: Bug 6033 : Follow up fix for bug that crept in with conversion to template toolkit
22:36 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #237: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/237/
21:55 jenkins_koha      Starting build 237 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:55 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6265 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Search for records linked to an authority not exact in OPAC
21:55 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6001 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED, batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl crashes when GetMarcBiblio fails.
21:55 jenkins_koha      * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6265: Authority search in OPAC not exact
21:55 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
21:55 jenkins_koha      * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fails. Unprocessed biblionumbers are displayed at the end of the execution instead.
21:55 jenkins_koha      * Nicole C. Engard: Follow Up for Bug 6143: New numSearchRSSResults preferences
21:55 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #236: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/236/
21:51 wahanui           backing up koha is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
21:51 wizzyrea          backing up koha?
21:50 wizzyrea          mysqldump library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
21:50 wizzyrea          Backing up koha is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
21:50 wahanui           well, report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
21:50 wizzyrea          report library?
21:50 wizzyrea          report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
21:49 wizzyrea          report library?
21:49 wahanui           rumour has it jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
21:49 wizzyrea          jquery library?
21:49 wahanui           well, patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
21:49 wizzyrea          patch workflow?
21:49 wahanui           sign off on patches is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
21:49 wizzyrea          sign off on patches?
21:49 wizzyrea          patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
21:49 wizzyrea          sign off on patches is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
21:49 rangi             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow that one too
21:48 wizzyrea          ah I should add that one :)
21:48 wizzyrea          sign off on patches?
21:48 wahanui           i think version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
21:48 wizzyrea          version control using git?
21:48 wahanui           searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
21:48 wizzyrea          searching faq?
21:48 wizzyrea          searching?
21:48 wahanui           documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
21:48 wizzyrea          documentation?
21:48 magnuse           good plan!
21:48 wizzyrea          i try to keep the things people ask over and over in wahanui :P
21:47 magnuse           now that's helpful :-)
21:47 wizzyrea          that's what I thought.
21:46 wahanui           somebody said graphicsMagick was avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11.
21:46 wizzyrea          graphicsMagick?
21:46 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6033' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9435c6730d93a50a7b92e0fdde237aff024e15a9> / Bug 6033 : Follow up fix for bug that crept in with conversion to template toolkit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23e7662720b268a1fb5a0d73aabe53ed1bdd7951>
21:46 wizzyrea          graphics magick?
21:28 wizzyrea          gl with the house :)
21:28 sekjal            goodnight, #koha
21:28 sekjal            g'night, wizzyrea and rangi!
21:28 wizzyrea          i kno rite
21:28 rangi             oh noes
21:28 rangi             cya sekjal
21:28 wizzyrea          and lord they have to scroll aallllll the way to the bottom
21:28 wizzyrea          later sekjal
21:28 wizzyrea          if they accidentally tab too far, on a bib with lots of items it takes them all the way to the top
21:28 sekjal            alrighty, I've got to get going; final walkthrough of the house before we sign the papers tomorrow!
21:27 wizzyrea          apparently it drives my catalogers quite nuts
21:27 wizzyrea          :)
21:27 wizzyrea          that's probably why
21:27 rangi             yeah that :)
21:27 wahanui           i already had it that way, huginn.
21:27 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:27 wizzyrea          @quote get 123
21:27 rangi             im sure there is a reason
21:27 wizzyrea          I see the comment in there re: the phony submit
21:26 wizzyrea          is there a reason that on additem you can't tab at all to the submit buttons?
21:23 rangi             yeah good idea
21:22 sekjal            also, enhancements/bugfixes that block other reports
21:22 rangi             *nod*
21:22 sekjal            get awesome features moving forward, as well as patches for major/critical/blocker types
21:21 sekjal            yes, sounds good
21:19 rangi             highlighting bugs we would really like someone to signoff on
21:19 rangi             is do an email once a week
21:19 rangi             i think what we might like to do
21:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5605 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Add Support for SIP Fee Paid Message
21:19 sekjal            I should advance bug 5605, actually
21:19 rangi             yep
21:19 sekjal            but, since SIGNED_OFF is pretty short, it should be easy to process
21:19 rangi             its moving in the right direction
21:19 rangi             it was over 160
21:18 sekjal            over 100 right now
21:18 rangi             yep
21:18 sekjal            at this point, I'm more concerned with NEEDS_SIGNOFF getting clogged
21:18 rangi             if the signed off queue backs up, i can always help you clearing it too
21:17 rangi             updated
21:17 rangi             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
21:17 rangi             yep thats fair enough
21:16 sekjal            not that I'm planning on only looking at this once a week for the entire release cycle, but during very hectic times, it may get that low
21:16 rangi             any day is fine
21:16 sekjal            is there a day of the week that works best, from your perspective, for me to process 'signed off' into 'passed qa'?
21:15 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6265: Authority search in OPAC not exact <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=799126e5b6a7d419c1e8e41552a656a59e085f4f> / Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fails... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9cb5fa1ee0a773164e962ff9616685042a8dff5> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6143' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-co
21:15 rangi             Passed QA has now been added as a patch status
21:14 rangi             there are only 3 in the signed off queue at the moment
21:14 rangi             that would be perfect
21:14 rangi             awesome
21:14 sekjal            once 'signed off' is clear, or otherwise stable, I'll probably take a swing at 'needs signoff' as well, to bring more things into the queue
21:13 jenkins_koha      Starting build 236 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:13 rangi             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow  <-- we could edit this too
21:13 rangi             the bug wranglers watch needs signoff and patch pushed
21:13 sekjal            that sounds like the right workflow
21:13 rangi             so i watch the passed qa queue, you watch signed off
21:12 rangi             ?
21:12 rangi             needs signoff, signed off, passed qa, patch pushed
21:12 rangi             so it goes
21:12 rangi             and we'll make a new patch status, Passed QA
21:12 rangi             im wondering if you want to take over that
21:11 rangi             for 3.4 i tracked the patches signed off
21:11 sekjal            wonderful
21:11 rangi             top three links there
21:11 rangi             http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
21:11 sekjal            I need to pull in some of the canned searches in BZ
21:10 sekjal            ah, yes, the term has begun!
21:09 rangi             since you are officially QA manager now, we should have a chat sometime about how you want that to work
21:08 sekjal            rangi:  yes
21:07 rangi             sekjal: you about?
20:43 sekjal            cait: jcamins usually works Saturday - Thursday, though he does have this habit of showing up in chat even on his off hours
20:39 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5959 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add search link for analytics to serial records
20:39 cait              bug 5959
20:34 wizzyrea          nuts.
20:34 cait              wizzyrea: hi and me neither
20:33 cait              jcamins: around?
20:22 wizzyrea          hi cait :D
20:22 rangi             hi cait
20:22 * cait            waves
20:21 wizzyrea          I don't have a scanner handy
20:21 wizzyrea          can anyone tell me if in the label creator, if scanning barcodes with a scanner with a carriage return function submits the form?
20:10 wizzyrea          they in top 10%
20:10 wizzyrea          we are in top 2%
20:10 wizzyrea          so in Ohloh, we actually beat them in size of dev community
20:09 wizzyrea          at least according to ohloh
20:09 wizzyrea          only had 16
20:09 wizzyrea          in the last year, WordPress, that behemoth
20:09 wizzyrea          koha has 61 contributing developers this year alone
20:09 wizzyrea          ok so, get this
20:07 * chris_n         heads home
19:46 rangi             but means more libraries asking us about koha
19:46 rangi             amazingly shortsighted of the natlib
19:45 rangi             yeah saw that chris_n
19:29 magnuse           koha started in nz so it can't be any good, right?
19:22 sekjal            hmm, don't seem to be getting very far in that regard, no
19:19 wizzyrea          obvious question: you can't telnet directly to it?
19:19 chris_n           only 3 tornadoes this time
19:18 sekjal            wizzyrea:  ps aux | grep SIP shows three instances
19:17 chris_n           rangi: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15646
19:17 wizzyrea          >.>
19:17 wizzyrea          is it on?
19:17 sekjal            why won't my SIP server answer me?!  yargh
19:15 wizzyrea          hmm... maybe I"ll skip the bit about what is expected for 3.6
19:09 rangi             bbiab
19:07 oleonard          Whoops, wrong subject.
19:07 oleonard          Drupal content load / Why won't you import data? / Done this twenty times
19:05 wizzyrea          nothing wrong with that
19:04 wizzyrea          ^.^
19:04 * Brooke          has the market on hot air cornered.
19:04 wizzyrea          brooke that's actually very good
19:04 wizzyrea          lol
19:03 sekjal            SIP emulator / why must you be such a pain / can't we get along?
19:01 oleonard          It's insincere, though, I don't actually think we need a mascot.
19:00 Brooke            oleonard's is better.
19:00 Brooke            leave more than you take
19:00 Brooke            world's open gift evolving
19:00 Brooke            live unfurling frond
18:57 magnuse           perl poetry, anyone? ;-)
18:55 * oleonard        doesn't really think you should use that one
18:55 wizzyrea          rofl
18:55 oleonard          Little purple blob / Never understood that guy / Need a new mascot
18:53 wizzyrea          just be honest :)
18:53 wizzyrea          no pressure mate
18:53 * Brooke          can't bullshite under pressure!
18:53 wizzyrea          anyone else for a koha haiku?
18:52 rangi             :)
18:52 rangi             cos thats already in 3.4.0
18:52 rangi             better not be
18:51 wahanui           hmmm... pianohacker is working on a command-line tool for setting system preferences
18:51 sekjal            hey, pianohacker!
18:50 rangi             :)
18:49 Brooke            ooh sechsy
18:49 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/pbO281SowT
18:48 Brooke            rangi++
18:48 huginn            Brooke: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 65 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 65.
18:48 Brooke            @karma rangi
18:48 sekjal            rangi++
18:47 wizzyrea          rangi++ sekjal++
18:46 rangi             you can not own us
18:46 rangi             it is a gift of freedom
18:46 rangi             the code is not sold
18:46 rangi             my koha haiku
18:45 * Brooke          juggles flaming servers for everyone's amusement.
18:41 Brooke            "Good things happen early in the morning"
18:40 magnuse           and the early bird gets the worm...
18:39 rangi             not that early
18:39 rangi             naw, its 6.35am
18:39 rangi             after the shit kosovo went through, ill let them take whatever hashtag they want
18:39 Brooke            You're booting about early, even for ye
18:39 rangi             yeah, i think thats lame
18:39 rangi             so im happy to let them use the hashtag
18:39 Brooke            we gots more people, and hence can sit on them.
18:38 rangi             they had the name before we did
18:38 rangi             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_Ditore
18:37 Brooke            mm hmm, but they haven't tweeted in dayses
18:37 rangi             http://www.kohaditore.com/index.php
18:36 Brooke            that paper that shoved us over for #koha appears to not be there.
18:35 Brooke            hmm
18:23 Brooke            wb
18:23 * oleonard        brb
18:09 Brooke            comes up on a keyword, which shall have to serve as good enough for gummint woik ftm
18:06 wizzyrea          indeed
18:06 magnuse           but sometimes it would be nice to be able to remove a category too...
18:06 wizzyrea          I just do [[Category:the_category]]
18:05 Brooke            and I would think that I still can't upload junk
18:05 Brooke            the categories are only coming up with special types
18:05 wizzyrea          categories I think
18:05 nengard           Brooke, what's wrong with the wiki?
18:05 * Brooke          grumbles at the wiki still being horked.
18:03 huginn            nengard: The operation succeeded.
18:03 nengard           @later tell kf i was unable to do the video for ordering from a staged file because i came across bug 6283
17:44 Brooke            hooray everyone's back
17:32 Brooke            0/
17:29 Brooke            wb
17:28 chris_n           and we're back
17:21 Brooke            kia ora
16:54 wizzyrea          oy vey, how will libraries support *this* kind of thing: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/app-stars-push-pop-press/
16:54 wizzyrea          (i'm not complaining, mind you)
16:50 wizzyrea          we've had an easy spring so far here
16:50 wizzyrea          :( so sad about the tornadoes :( :( :(
16:49 wizzyrea          hi wahanui ;)
16:49 wizzyrea          it's nice out
16:49 wahanui           hola, wizzyrea
16:49 wizzyrea          oh hey
16:49 huginn            wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.7�C (11:51 AM CDT on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
16:49 wizzyrea          @wunder lawrence, ks
16:46 chris_n           its supposed to be nice here tomorrow too
16:46 huginn            chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 20.0�C (12:35 PM EDT on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).  High Wind Warning in effect until 2 PM EDT this afternoon... 
16:45 chris_n           @wunder 28334
16:45 slef              is it wrong to say it's looking good for the wedding picnics tomorrow?
16:44 huginn            slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 18.7�C (5:46 PM BST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
16:44 slef              @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
16:44 slef              I'll believe you. bet it's some awkward-to-play flash video though
16:44 chris_n           4th video on left of page
16:44 chris_n           slef: http://abcnews.go.com/US/tornadoes-160-killed-south-including-128-alabama/story?id=13474955
16:43 chris_n           slef: 200+ now :-(
16:43 joetho            202
16:43 slef              chris_n: oh yeah I saw 100+ dead :(
16:40 chris_n           slef: dodging tornadoes and other assorted nasty weather phenomena today... hence multiple bounces
16:40 huginn            JesseM: *click*
16:40 JesseM            @roulette
16:37 slef              ???
16:34 * chris_n         has it in for guests today
16:04 sekjal            okay, team, I've got to run some last minute errands for the house-buying.  Back in time for my Support Desk shift
15:48 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6282] HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref missing from *.pref file <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6282>
15:37 wizzyrea          definitely
15:37 sekjal            but perhaps it'd make some third-party companies more apt to create an integration tool
15:36 sekjal            they'd have to compete with all of us doing free and open source work
15:36 sekjal            if we chose our warehouse software so that it could handle e-commerce, we could even let some developers charge for their widgets/plugins.
15:35 * wizzyrea        gets a bit swoony about the possibilities of that
15:34 wizzyrea          *nod*
15:34 sekjal            browse for shared widgets, click "download", then go into admin and enable them
15:33 sekjal            and (Koha 4.0 stuff here) with the widgetized staff interface, we could essentially build a Koha "App Store"
15:33 wizzyrea          ooo
15:32 sekjal            ooh, and once we had a fetch link, we could also look at a 'share' link to push directly from your Koha install to the warehouse
15:30 wizzyrea          :)
15:30 sekjal            (once all those perky security measures were put in place, of course)
15:29 sekjal            if we had a centralized Koha warehouse for things like this, we could add in a fetch link in the appropriate spots in the staff client, and download directly
15:28 sekjal            and user-generated XSLT once that's available
15:27 sekjal            I'd like to see a library for Matching Rules, as well
15:27 sekjal            or, we need a separate tool for storing shared Koha files
15:27 sekjal            wizzyrea:  yeah, we'd need them to be downloads
15:18 wizzyrea          they export as files, so they'd need to be added as downloads to the wiki?
15:17 wizzyrea          or how would that work?
15:17 wizzyrea          do we need a "library" for them on the wiki?
15:17 wizzyrea          now that we have import/exportable frameworks
14:42 sekjal            :)
14:41 wizzyrea          Only one Koha / Accept no substitutions / open and free always
14:36 wizzyrea          thanks for your time though :)
14:35 wizzyrea          :D
14:35 sekjal            as much as I wish / can't spend all day writing verse / back to bugfixes
14:34 wizzyrea          this is why I ask you guys :)
14:33 wizzyrea          :D
14:33 wizzyrea          1. introduces a villain, and fits in a tweet D:
14:33 wizzyrea          that I'm looking for
14:33 wizzyrea          that one actually does TWO things
14:33 wizzyrea          :D
14:32 sekjal            free no matter what / can't stop the revolution / Koha's here to stay
14:31 wizzyrea          sekjal++ that's a good one!
14:31 sekjal            faster and smarter / Koha's latest release shines / thanks to all of us
14:30 rhcl              much more sun
14:30 rhcl              friday comes
14:30 rhcl              that I pray
14:30 rhcl              kick today
14:27 * chris_n         is just kicking around today ;-)
14:25 rhcl              what a roar
14:25 rhcl              k three four
14:25 rhcl              bad kaiku
14:25 rhcl              Hey you
14:24 wizzyrea          i'm so bad at haiku
14:24 rhcl              I'm keeping my eye on those green dot nicks...gotta be carefull
14:24 * wizzyrea        sighs
14:24 wizzyrea          the feat of many
14:23 wizzyrea          faster, better, more to love
14:23 wizzyrea          three four, out the door
14:23 rhcl              thirty four and out the door
14:22 wizzyrea          but it's not specific to this particular release
14:22 wizzyrea          the release proverb is really quite good: This feat is not the feat of one, it is the feat of many
14:21 wizzyrea          :) no, he was kicking himself ;)
14:21 rhcl              is chris_n gonna kick me?
14:20 rhcl              koha soars
14:20 rhcl              tree to fore
14:03 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4951] print page doesn't close after print <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4951>
14:01 brendan_          respectful
14:01 wizzyrea          haiku also acceptable :P
14:00 wizzyrea          describe koha 3.4 in a tweet
14:00 wizzyrea          hmm
13:52 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6280] Invalid SQL being passed in circulation checkout <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6280>
13:03 hdl               sent
13:02 hdl               thanks for your report
13:02 hdl               I will send your mail
13:01 hdl               could be
12:59 marcelr           hdl: that responded immediately; maybe became deactivated for bouncing or so?
12:58 hdl               maybe the adress used is not the one you used to subscribe
12:58 marcelr           ok i will try to new subscribe
12:57 hdl               mmmm apparently it is not  ;)
12:57 marcelr           hdl: should be a member
12:57 hdl               Post by non-member to a members-only list
12:55 marcelr           hdl: sent a message one hour ago; do not see it; and password reminder didn't seem to work too
12:53 slef              biab
12:53 slef              oleonard: not yet. I don't remember but it sounds familiar so I've probably some notes.
12:52 oleonard          slef: did you see the message to the Koha list about connecting to Copac? I wondered if you knew anything about that
12:48 cait              hi chris_n, hi #koha
12:48 chris_n           heya cait
12:48 chris_n           oleonard: its the circular high winds in particular that I watch out for
12:47 hdl               marcelr: it is not much active though
12:47 hdl               marcelr: koha-translate should work.
12:44 oleonard          You don't need any more of that eh chris_n?
12:35 huginn            chris_n: The current temperature in Newton Grove, North Carolina is 24.9�C (8:37 AM EDT on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Steady).  High Wind Warning in effect until 11 am EDT this morning... 
12:35 chris_n           @wunder 28334
12:34 jwagner           The manual says the syspref itemcallnumber can take multiple fields, but how are they entered? comma separated? For example 082ab,099a
12:33 slef              marcelr: I'd give it an hour or two, then pester hdl or paul_p to check logs on lists.koha-community.org
12:32 slef              Hi doctor oleonard!
12:32 marcelr           slef: no cannot check that server
12:32 oleonard          Hi #koha
12:32 slef              marcelr: can you see what your mailserver logged when trying to send?
12:31 slef              hrm, web archive Last message date: Mon Apr 18 08:49:35 CEST 2011
12:31 marcelr           we'll see
12:30 slef              marcelr: few mins? give it an hour. Email has no quality of service guarantee.
12:30 marcelr           slef: did not see my mail from few mins ago
12:30 slef              NateC: hello!
12:30 slef              marcelr: I've seen emails from it but I forget when. Have you checked the web archive?
12:25 marcelr           hi all: anyone know if koha-translate ml does not respond?
12:25 conan             the last ones are the complicated ones
12:24 conan             we have some new frameworks which don't exist on the old ones, we have old frameworks which will be dropped from new ones, and finally, we got old frameworks that exists on new ones, but have changed its definition
12:23 conan             we have a set of old and new frameworks
12:23 conan             maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'll try to explain better
12:22 conan             hdl: I'm making the new frameworks dump with the option --no-create-info
12:15 NateC             Morning #koha!
12:08 hdl               so any previous data is dropped :P
12:08 hdl               often when you use mysqldump table the table export DROP TABLE CREATE TABLE,
12:02 conan             hum... that will leave the old frameworks hanging around, right? What about the ones that changed names and definition? (new marc stuff, or old stuff now ignored)
11:57 hdl               conan: create a new db and inject your old 3.1 then import your frameworks, and do upgrade
11:52 conan             should I start with a clean installation and import table by table from the working one?
11:51 conan             I cannot just load the tables into the working implementation
11:51 conan             how should I make the move?
11:51 conan             I'm wondering
11:50 conan             So now I got this test implementation with the new frameworks defined which I can dump
11:50 conan             We got a working koha 3.1 for one library here, which was here before I came, now we're preparing to implement koha 3.4 but for a set of libraries, that lead to rework several stuff, which includes at first a re-definition of frameworks
11:48 conan             bye rangi
11:47 * rangi           heads off to sleep
11:47 rangi             night conan
11:43 AmitG             heya conan
11:43 conan             good morning everyone (or at least the ones who just wake up)
11:41 mib_p2l259        this is the piece of code that i have to change... or maybe i can change the function DebarMember
11:41 mib_p2l259        if ( $overdue_rules->{"debarred$i"} ) {                      #action taken is debarring                     C4::Members::DebarMember($borrowernumber);                     $verbose and warn "debarring $borrowernumber $firstname $lastname\n";                 }
11:40 mib_p2l259        in the overdue notices script
11:40 mib_p2l259        i have to discover where the flag debarred is set to 1
11:37 rangi             then it could go into koha
11:37 rangi             so the time could be set
11:37 mib_p2l259        undebarred...
11:37 rangi             if you made it flexible
11:36 mib_p2l259        then i'll create the script which after 30 days of the date inserted debarred the user
11:36 mib_p2l259        i have to change the overdue notice which I think is the script to create overdue notices and debar patron, to insert the data into that table
11:35 rangi             mib_p2l259: yep, that would be more robust
11:35 jwagner           Thought it was later than that.  Can't keep my timezones straight any more....
11:34 mib_p2l259        i will create a new table with two fields... the borrowernumber and date debarred...
11:34 rangi             its only 11.30
11:34 jwagner           rangi, hi, but what are you doing awake at this hour??? :-)
11:33 rangi             or you could just hope that that never happens :)
11:32 rangi             what if a staff member renews an item to a person who is debarred, now the date due is different, and instead of 30 days, they are debarred for longer, thats why i say you cant use the issues table
11:29 mib_p2l259        can't issue but can renew and place hold in the OPAC...
11:29 mib_p2l259        but the first option never append... so if the user is debar the expiration date is expired of has had item in overdue
11:28 rangi             if they are expired, they already cant issue
11:28 mib_p2l259        i already have a script to debar users that the expiration date as expired...
11:27 mib_p2l259        an user is debar only when the details of him are changed by someone on staff client
11:25 rangi             you would need to store when you debarred them
11:25 mib_p2l259        yes i know... i already set that... after 16 days the user is blocked...
11:25 rangi             i dont htink checking the issues and old_issues table will work
11:24 rangi             you will need to do that in the overdue triggers area
11:24 rangi             setting a suspension rule in circ rules, will not trigger the debarring
11:24 mib_p2l259        it's not a easy script but not impossible...
11:23 mib_p2l259        ok i will have to do a script that looks at issues and old_issues tables and lift the debar after 30 days
11:22 rangi             debarred is a flag set, in the borrowers table
11:22 rangi             and its calculated
11:22 rangi             suspension is different to debarred
11:22 rangi             yep
11:21 sekjal            mib_p2l259:  as I recall, the suspension for any given patron isn't stored in the database, but calculated based on the number of days overdue the material is, and the 'suspension in days' value in your circ rules
11:20 mib_p2l259        it will be hard but i have to do it...
11:18 mib_p2l259        (lift the debar suspension after 30 days)
11:18 mib_p2l259        perl is not a problem so i can do a script to only debar a patron for 30 days
11:17 mib_p2l259        or which part of the code i have to change?
11:16 mib_p2l259        do you know in which table of koha database the suspension are saved?
11:14 rangi             like everything in koha was at one point :)
11:14 rangi             the code to do what you want doesnt exist in koha at present, you would have to write it, or get someone to write it for you
11:14 mib_p2l259        that's a problem... :S
11:14 rangi             but thats not for 30 days, thats forever, until you un debar them
11:13 rangi             you can debar them yes
11:13 mib_p2l259        i know that with the overdue alerts i can debarred (suspend) a user after 15 days...
11:13 rangi             you cant acrue fines for 15 days, then suspend
11:12 rangi             right, like i said, you can do one or the other, not both
11:12 mib_p2l259        the user has to pay the 15 days...
11:11 rangi             so if wanted to you, you would set grace period of 15 days, and suspension of 30
11:11 mib_p2l259        sorry 3.2.7
11:11 rangi             you can do fines or suspension in circulation rules, you can't do both
11:10 mib_p2l259        3.2.6
11:10 rangi             mib_p2l259: what version of koha?
11:09 rangi             yeah, good idea
11:08 magnuse           im not too fond of how that voting worked, so if we do not plan to use it i will remove the link from the rfc template
11:08 mib_p2l259        no one knows how to suspend a user for 30days after 15 days overdue?
11:07 magnuse           rangi: i followed one of the "vote" links on a rfc on the wiki and got this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=3644
11:05 rangi             i followed that, and it threw an internal server error
11:04 rangi             magnuse: i think voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext
10:51 mib_p2l259        after 16 days of fines i need to suspend the user for 30 days no matter how many items he has overdue. How I can set this?
10:50 mib_p2l259        with fines the user is blocked to renewal and place holds in items in the OPAC.. (which is the same of being suspend)
10:49 mib_p2l259        i have some circulation rules that if the user doesn't check in the item pay 0.50€ for each overdue day
10:48 mib_p2l259        can anybody help me?
10:43 mib_p2l259        hi there :)
10:42 rangi             i can turn them back on
10:42 rangi             accident, but no one ever really used them in the old bugzilla anyway
10:41 magnuse           rangi: do you know if the votes in bugzilla are turned off by accident or on purpose?
10:40 magnuse           i think zero is sort of the default...
10:40 adnc              what would be a good value for hidden for 880 mark. i only have one item where i would need it
10:39 magnuse           it is context sensitivt help - pretty neat!
10:38 adnc              yes thanks
10:38 magnuse           adnc: it should be right at the top, to the right of where your name is displayed
10:38 adnc              ahh i see
10:38 adnc              i'm on 3.2 and i cant see a ? mark
10:37 magnuse           yeah...
10:37 adnc              the value hier is -6 in "hidden"
10:37 rangi             the blurb at the bottom is pretty impressive, i dont think there is a single line that is true :)
10:36 magnuse           rangi: heh, that should be interesting...
10:36 magnuse           adnc: click on the ? in the upper right corner to see what values mean what for that field
10:35 magnuse           adnc: choose another value for "hidden"
10:35 magnuse           adnc: click on "display more constraints"
10:34 rangi             http://lclpioneer.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/koha-seminar/
10:34 magnuse           click on Edit for the subfield you want to make visible
10:34 rangi             wow
10:33 magnuse           click on Subfields
10:33 magnuse           find 880, for example by searching for it
10:33 magnuse           click on "MARC structure" for the framework you want to change
10:32 magnuse           adnc: go to Home � Administration � MARC Frameworks
10:28 adnc              magnuse, do you know how to get 880 marc tag displayed for editing?
09:58 magnuse           detailed marc view?
09:56 magnuse           ?
09:56 magnuse           is there anything else you would rather have as the default
09:56 magnuse           hehe
09:56 slef              magnuse: yeah, but what norm?
09:46 magnuse           because its... normal? ;-)
09:30 slef              everyone, why is Normal view the default?
09:29 slef              adnc: the other thing is to switch displays to XSLT if you haven't already done so (or ISBD if you prefer but I don't really get on with that)
09:28 slef              there's something wrong with your email when my summariser decides that your disclaimer is the most interesting part of the message...
09:28 adnc              ok
09:28 adnc              slef, yes
09:28 slef              adnc: you mean MARC tags? I saw stuff about 880 in the xslt so I'd try searching in koha admin for system preferences about display
08:57 adnc              what do I need to do in order to get marc records that are not visible, like 880?
08:46 slef              morning all
08:46 magnuse           hm, too bad
08:46 slef              rangi: magnuse: yeah, I've a symbian nokia. Least open FOSS OS I've ever met.
08:35 alex_a            bonjour magnuse
08:32 magnuse           bonjour biblibre
07:52 AmitG             heya cait
07:47 cait              perhaps ask rangi about it later
07:47 cait              hm yes I missed it too
07:45 magnuse           is that done on purpose, or is it a bug?
07:45 magnuse           "You cannot access this page because the extension 'Voting' is disabled." http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=3644
07:40 cait              probably the wrong code
07:36 huginn            cait: The current temperature in 2 mi s of EDDS, Filderstadt, Germany is 8.1�C (9:38 AM CEST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady).
07:36 cait              @wunder STR
07:35 huginn            cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.8�C (9:35 AM CEST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
07:35 cait              @wunder Konstanz
07:34 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse           @wunder boo
07:19 pianohacker       speaking of weather
07:19 pianohacker       Jesus you can hear thunder underground in minecraft I just almost had a heart attack
07:19 Oak               35 here
07:17 cait              missing it already
07:17 cait              we had about 20 degrees the last few days
07:17 cait              but still warmer!
07:16 alex_a            ;)
07:16 alex_a            cait: brrr too
07:13 cait              brrr
07:13 huginn            cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 9.5�C (9:15 AM CEST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 28.64 in 969.8 hPa (Steady).
07:13 cait              @wunder Reutlingen
07:06 alex_a            \o/
07:06 huginn            alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 15.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on April 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:06 alex_a            @wunder marseille, france
07:05 cait              hmpf
07:04 huginn            cait: Error: No such location could be found.
07:04 cait              @wunder Stuttgart, Germany
07:04 huginn            cait: Error: No such location could be found.
07:04 cait              @wunder stuttgart
07:03 francharb         hi cait
07:03 cait              hi francharb
07:02 francharb         hello all
06:42 cait              internet connection is not the best from this train :(
06:39 cait              hi alex_a
06:38 Brooke            better do what socks says or my toes will suffer a clawin.
06:38 Brooke            cat's chewing me out for not being asleep
06:34 Brooke            pfft not closed yet.
06:33 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
06:33 Brooke            bug 5158
06:32 alex_a            hi #koha
06:28 cait              community++ :)
06:28 * Oak             did not get to what context it was said - does for life thing
06:27 Oak               okie doky
06:26 pianohacker       It's also got one of the best open-source communities I've seen
06:25 Brooke            though short termy helps
06:25 Brooke            rather than short termy
06:25 Brooke            that it's long termy
06:25 Brooke            I mean
06:25 Oak               Brooke, what do you mean
06:22 pianohacker       yup
06:22 Brooke            Koha isn't necessarily about what one does lately, but rather what one does for life.
06:21 hdl               saw that... quite logical
06:21 pianohacker       Hi hdl
06:21 * Brooke          gave it an ultimatum.
06:21 brendan_          and hdl I haven't been around alot lately
06:20 cait              Brooke: what happened to your _?
06:20 hdl               brendan_: thanks for your regard.
06:20 hdl               welcome here.
06:20 Brooke            d'accord
06:20 hdl               hi pianohacker
06:20 brendan_          just because - you've got a lot of great code sitting out there.... plus good ideas
06:20 hdl               But who cares ?
06:19 Oak               pianohacker, :)
06:19 hdl               hi Brooke my karma must be stuck in irc.katipo.co.nz
06:19 * cait            waves to Brooke :)
06:19 * Brooke          waves to Cait
06:19 hdl               hi brendan_ what happened that made you ++
06:19 pianohacker       Oak: Heh, esr's a force of nature. Yeah, Perl gets wonky, especially when you get to projects the size of, say, Koha
06:19 * Brooke          suspects that hdl is blending in with the wallpaper again.
06:19 brendan_          39 is a good number -- 3 goes into 9
06:18 Brooke            only 39?
06:18 Brooke            what what what?!
06:18 huginn            Brooke: Karma for "hdl" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39.
06:18 Brooke            @karma hdl
06:18 brendan_          hdl++
06:18 brendan_          heya hdl
06:18 * Brooke          waves to hdl.
06:17 * Oak             wants to learn Perl and Python. Wanted to start with Perl (because of Koha)... then decided to go with Python because of this article: http://www.python.org/about/success/esr/
06:17 brendan_          heh - that's what my teacher keep saying
06:16 pianohacker       brendan_: nice language to start on
06:16 pianohacker       ...wait, what?
06:16 Brooke            and it was mostly italian.
06:15 Brooke            my first IRC was on a Vax undercover cause Uni didn't like chat.
06:15 pianohacker       Need to learn Java, actually, seems like half the companies on the planet use the blasted verbose monstrosity
06:15 brendan_          my first IRC was visualbasic
06:15 pianohacker       you're not missing much
06:15 brendan_          nope
06:14 pianohacker       LibertyBASIC? Very first one I learned, proprietary windows-specific
06:14 brendan_          ok *whew* I've heard of those
06:14 pianohacker       slightly longer :) Japanese and Spanish are very occasional hobbies at this point
06:14 Brooke            else, it's a longer list.
06:14 pianohacker       hehe
06:13 * Brooke          likes that "coding" was specified.
06:13 pianohacker       Umm. Perl, Python, Bash, JavaScript and now C/C++
06:12 brendan_          pianohacker - how many coding languages do you know
06:11 Brooke            :D
06:11 pianohacker       Brooke: WATCH YE, FOR HERE BE DRAGONS
06:11 pianohacker       nagios configuration is a little opaque
06:11 pianohacker       ...tried nagios, preferred zabbix
06:10 * brendan_        was a little surprised that you didn't have a nagios domain
06:10 * Brooke          points out that no one stands a chance at knowing Pianohacker's mind, so ye might as well just let him do his thang.
06:10 * Brooke          chuckles
06:10 brendan_          guess zabbix wasn't as important
06:09 brendan_          shit I was counting three
06:09 pianohacker       Only what, 8 domains?
06:09 pianohacker       You mean Xen _beauty_
06:08 brendan_          maybe because it's all the Xen pain that you left me
06:07 brendan_          s
06:07 brendan_          I'd say maybe 60 time
06:07 pianohacker       Don't know what I did to you, but man
06:07 brendan_          so how many times have I done that one
06:07 pianohacker       Hahahahaha
06:07 brendan_          YAY
06:07 brendan_          pianohacker++
06:07 brendan_          damnit
06:07 brendan_          painohacker++
06:07 brendan_          HA
06:06 pianohacker       Hello, master of the delayed response ;)
06:06 AmitG             heya pianohacker, kmkale
06:03 * Brooke          grins.
06:01 pianohacker       Bleh, journals are such a racket
06:00 * Brooke          was a ghetto Librarian too long to not know some of the non fenced in journals.
06:00 Brooke            oh yeah
06:00 pianohacker       Brooke++ # I hadn't heard of this before
05:59 * Brooke          is pining for the next First Monday to be out.
05:44 Brooke            I <3 those sechsy red and black shirts.
05:44 rangi             that gives u an idea of our dresscode
05:44 rangi             ppl make fun of me if I wear a collared shirt to work
05:42 Oak               :)
05:41 Brooke            used to be a regular occurrence :P
05:41 * Oak             imagines Brooke in a tux
05:40 * Brooke          wore a tux for a few weeks straight at Albany Public HeLl over their dumb arse dress code.
05:40 brendan_          always
05:40 Oak               are there job openings?
05:40 Oak               ahh
05:40 brendan_          it's all virtual
05:39 Oak               why whats your dress code?
05:39 rangi             heh
05:39 Brooke            heh
05:38 brendan_          but you maybe afraid to see us in our work clothes
05:38 rangi             :)
05:38 brendan_          the best I can say is that no one in my company has to drive to work
05:38 rangi             not_enough_parking++
05:37 brendan_          green_companies++
05:36 rangi             lots bike, the rest of us train or bus
05:36 brendan_          catalyst++
05:36 rangi             yeah, of the 100 or so of us at work, I think about 6 drive
05:35 rangi             25 min ride, but I can irc from it, so I dont mind
05:35 Oak               good. green planet. and such.
05:35 rangi             I ride the bus to and from work each week day
05:35 Oak               see ya soon
05:34 rangi             home
05:34 Oak               oh rangi where are you going?
05:34 * rangi           waves from the bus
05:30 brendan_          HA
05:29 pianohacker       Hey, that's what shutting the lid on my laptop does
05:27 AmitG             heya wahanui
05:20 wahanui           :)
05:20 Brooke            wahanui botsnack m&ms
05:18 AmitG             heya Brookee
05:12 wahanui           brendan_ is a big fan of koha or the best boss evar!
05:12 AmitG             heya brendan_
05:11 brendan_          hey AmitG
05:11 brendan_          hiya Brooke
05:05 Brooke            0/
05:01 Brooke            pain getting rid of that _
04:59 space_librarian   right. I'll be back... a little later.
04:57 space_librarian   hey Brooke_
04:56 rangi             heya Brooke_
04:56 Brooke_           kia ora!
04:51 space_librarian   bye!
04:51 rangi             cya cait
04:50 cait              bye :)
04:46 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6275] Automated backups of data and config <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6275>
04:03 kmkale            :)
04:03 * space_librarian waves
04:03 kmkale            hi rangi
04:03 kmkale            hi space_librarian
04:03 kmkale            hi cait
04:03 cait              hi kmkale :)
04:02 space_librarian   namaste kmkale
04:00 rangi             yep
04:00 cait              2011 will be great too
03:55 kmkale            Namaskar #koha
03:53 rangi             was big too
03:53 rangi             http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl?Year=2009
03:53 cait              still great numbers compared to everything else in the list
03:53 cait              ok :)
03:52 rangi             i did 72 not 27
03:52 rangi             ah typo
03:51 cait              I summed the numbers all koha and evergreen form the turnover report
03:50 rangi             lemme look
03:50 rangi             hmm i forget
03:48 cait              rangi: where did the 222 come from yesterday?
03:46 wahanui           150
03:46 cait              1+3+51+2+2+1+9+27+34+8+12
03:46 wahanui           192
03:46 cait              1+172+5+10+1+3
03:39 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml
03:39 jenkins_koha      Robin Sheat: Bug 5509 - use an XML parser to get values from config
03:39 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #235: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/235/
03:38 AmitG             heya mtj
03:32 mtj               you go girl!
03:25 cait              s/bad/bed
03:25 cait              and can't go back to bad - have to catch a train :)
03:25 * mtj             waves at amit and cait
03:24 cait              morning #koha
03:24 rangi             hi AmitG
03:24 AmitG             heya ll
03:24 AmitG             heya chris
03:23 mtj               ... vast underground bunkers of the stuff, its crazy
03:22 mtj               rumor is, the yanks are hording bytes
03:21 rangi             not the way the bytecaps are melting
03:21 eythian           peak bytes is years away
03:20 mtj               yeah... but hey - think of the bytes we are saving!
03:19 * bg              preferred a nice simple brendan - instead of bg
03:19 bg                later rangi
03:19 bg                bummer
03:19 rangi             cya bg
03:19 mtj               yeah, me too - but it was snaffled already
03:18 bg                alright night all - time to walk the pups
03:18 * bg              preferred the nick mason :)
03:17 bg                heya mtj
03:17 space_librarian   ciao
03:17 rangi             night gmcharlt
03:17 mtj               cya galen
03:16 * gmcharlt        heading to bed, g'night
03:16 mtj               [off] i'll take great pleasure mouthing off, when it all turns to shit
03:13 space_librarian   yep
03:13 mtj               sheeh, i  just read the Kōtui news in the scrollback
03:12 * space_librarian gives cait a cookie and some tea
03:12 gmcharlt          cait: good morning (?)
03:12 gmcharlt          bg: I'd look forward to that
03:12 gmcharlt          aww, thanks
03:11 bg                that sounds like an echo
03:11 bg                heh go to sleep cait !
03:11 rangi             go to sleep cait !
03:11 rangi             what the hell
03:10 bg                we need to grill some elk sometime soon for you
03:10 bg                gmcharlt sonja and I had some nice grilled elk tonight and we talked about you
03:10 gmcharlt          ?
03:10 gmcharlt          hi bg
03:09 bg                just because you're awesome :)
03:09 bg                gmcharlt++
03:09 bg                hiya gmcharlt
02:59 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5509 - use an XML parser to get values from config <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc1038931618a820942f8cb9456be72648ce0f4>
02:59 jenkins_koha      Starting build 235 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:55 rangi             gmcharlt: ah that'd do it
02:55 gmcharlt          rangi: bouncy hotel wifi
02:55 rangi             the old programme had that, but its just ruth on the new one
02:55 rangi             http://kudos.koha-community.org/kudoscon2011/conference-program/
02:55 rangi             i think that might have changed
02:53 bg                yeah I think druthb maybe talking with lori?
02:48 rangi             yeah, that will be a good one
02:46 eythian           I hope so. I'd like to see druthb's one.
02:44 space_librarian   will the talks be posted online afterwards?
02:40 space_librarian   which I think is a good thing...
02:40 space_librarian   I would be really interested to hear the majority of the talks...
02:39 rangi             [off] 2 presentations that the world could do without, but the rest looks good
02:39 bg                let's hope this is awesome - kudos needs it big time
02:39 rangi             its got a lot better bg
02:39 bg                :)
02:39 bg                that encourages me
02:39 rangi             hehe
02:38 bg                oh good - I'm going and I wasn't totally envious
02:38 * space_librarian looks at Kudoscon program and is really envious...
02:37 rangi             heh
02:36 * bg              was trying to ryme
02:36 bg                restarting ice-cream :)
02:27 rangi             restarting a screen gmcharlt ?
02:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6033 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Add Filters to SQL Saved Reports
02:24 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 6033 : Template changes
02:24 jenkins_koha      * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 6033 : wr77488 : report selection filter
02:24 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #234: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/234/
02:15 eythian           sweet ta
02:15 rangi             ill push that up in a bit
02:15 rangi             eythian: all good
02:03 rangi             nora++
02:03 rangi             brooke++
02:03 rangi             wizzyrea++
02:03 rangi             http://kudos.koha-community.org/kudoscon2011/conference-program/
02:03 rangi             oh wow, that looks a lot better
02:00 * rangi           didnt actually need ops, was just seeing if i could remember how to do it :)
01:57 rangi             good to hear
01:56 rangi             cool
01:56 druthb            no problems here.
01:56 rangi             tornado miss you?
01:55 rangi             heya druthb
01:55 druthb            o/
01:44 jenkins_koha      Starting build 234 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:40 rangi             ahh righto will do
01:40 eythian           try with LDAP stuff above and below where the database password is, as that's what was causing the issue: it would find the (first|last) one in the file, I forget which.
01:40 rangi             cool
01:40 eythian           yep, that'll do it
01:39 rangi             building now, then ill do an install, koha-create, add some ldap stuff and try a koha-dump
01:35 * rangi           will just build a package here with it first to test
01:35 eythian           ok
01:34 rangi             ill add it to master, and if its ok there, chris_n could cherry-pick it to 3.4.x
01:34 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6033 : Template changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00655f46b6848bc27aa11947653653721efe4006> / Bug 6033 : wr77488 : report selection filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8360343fbc1fb4d8806db951aea8b04ad99d00c1>
01:33 rangi             yup
01:33 rangi             heh
01:33 eythian           It's still a good one to put in though
01:33 eythian           I thought I needed it for something else, but it actually turned out I didn't after all.
01:33 rangi             ah cool
01:33 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml
01:33 eythian           Bug 5509
01:33 rangi             eythian: what was the bug you wanted a sign off on?
01:21 space_librarian   [off]I'm just in awe of the stupidity
01:20 gmcharlt          [off] and geez, it's not like NLNZ didn't have *two* F/OSS ILSs to consider
01:19 rangi             [off] its one we really didnt want to win, but losing for retarded reasons is no fun
01:18 space_librarian   [off] this is going to be a huge mess. It's only been released via email so far. nowhere else.
01:18 brendan_          [off] more targeting OCLC a little bit - if you read between the lines
01:18 rangi             [off] so yep :)
01:18 rangi             [off] 2 libraries in the initial rollout plan have already ditched kotui and are running koha
01:17 brendan_          ah suing for switching to WMS
01:17 gmcharlt          [off] rangi: on the other hand, considering the timeframe, Catalyst could well have more than half the country running Koha before there's even a prototype of the new system
01:16 brendan_          ok thanks - that's annoying - but not just me ;)
01:16 rangi             brendan_: yes i do
01:16 rangi             thats what they are
01:16 rangi             ms reseller
01:15 rangi             says it all
01:15 rangi             bottom left
01:15 rangi             http://www.concepts.co.nz/
01:15 brendan_          do others get csp errors from LJ - I usually have to refresh everytime I go there
01:14 rangi             nope, im guessing htey are some general it shop, ill look em up
01:14 rangi             brendan_: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890233-264/sirsidynix_sues___north.html.csp
01:14 gmcharlt          what about Computer Concepts?  know anything about them?
01:14 gmcharlt          rangi: the discovery piece isn't necessarily completely out of line; what I don't get is EBSCO proposing to write a system to handle the backend functionality
01:13 rangi             +physical and electronic items held by the library,
01:13 rangi             +Publishing providing EBSCO Discovery Service, the service that allows combined discovery of both
01:13 rangi             EBSCO
01:12 rangi             what even is their discovery layer?
01:12 rangi             gmcharlt: yeah that was my reaction too
01:12 * space_librarian hangs her head at the bullheaded stupidity
01:12 rangi             crazy heads
01:12 rangi             our natlib installs it
01:12 rangi             rest of the world runs from SD
01:12 gmcharlt          EBSCO?!?
01:12 gmcharlt          EBSCO?
01:11 rangi             http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2011
01:11 rangi             for changing their mind
01:11 rangi             lemme find it
01:11 rangi             they sued a library
01:11 rangi             no
01:10 brendan_          this still the queens one?
01:10 brendan_          nope
01:10 rangi             you saw that lawsuit last week eh?
01:10 rangi             its their thing!
01:10 brendan_          ouch
01:10 rangi             or SD will sue them
01:10 rangi             cant change their minds now either
01:09 brendan_          yup that's stupid
01:08 rangi             +EBSCO Publishing, and Computer Concepts Ltd.
01:08 rangi             +the National Library of New Zealand for subscribing public libraries. The vendors are SirsiDynix,
01:08 rangi             Three vendors have been selected to work with Kōtui to develop a shared library system operated by
01:08 rangi             gmcharlt: check this out
01:08 space_librarian   yes.
01:07 rangi             well thats stupid of them
00:57 wahanui           i already had it that way, huginn.
00:57 huginn            gmcharlt: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:57 gmcharlt          @quote random