Time  Nick                  Message
23:59 space_librarian       if it automatically confirms the hold, then the may need to be a pop-up with the holds screen just to double check then.
23:58 space_librarian       no librarian worth their salt will walk away without checking the screen after they finish checking books in. Of course, there are always those that don't...
23:58 sekjal                what about automatically confirming holds?  a system preference to just say "yes", no matter what, so there's no need for a confirm box?
23:57 sekjal                if we defocus or otherwise dump the rest of their scans, we still run the risk of them just doing it, then walking away, and now the Hold is still unfilled, and the items have not been returned
23:57 space_librarian       hmmmm.
23:55 sekjal                opening.ogg
23:55 sekjal                but they're already getting a nice "hold found" sound instead of the beep
23:54 space_librarian       they may have to see why...
23:54 space_librarian       sekjal: but if the system is beeping when it shouldn't...
23:54 brendan_              hiya natec
23:54 space_librarian       hey NateC.
23:54 sekjal                hey, NateC
23:54 sekjal                we can't provide a different visual cue, because they're already ignoring those
23:54 NateC                 Hi #koha!
23:54 sekjal                we can't provide a different sound, because they're already ignoring sounds
23:53 space_librarian       haptic feedback is a great idea.
23:53 sekjal                eythian: agreed
23:53 space_librarian       lol. yes
23:53 eythian               a small electric shock sent through the barcode scanner would be ideal :)
23:53 space_librarian       if there is sound attached to computer
23:53 sekjal                so we're alerting both visually and audibly
23:52 eythian               well, tbh we can only do so much. If they're not looking at the screen, they should put sound on.
23:52 sekjal                if they have the sound on, they'll get a different sound when the notification message shows up
23:51 space_librarian       lazy behaviour.
23:51 space_librarian       but it's what many librarians do.
23:50 sekjal                scanning in materials blindly is not proper use of the system
23:50 sekjal                I think the real problem here is the user behavior
23:49 space_librarian       you don't want to think you're still checking in several more books and you're not.
23:48 space_librarian       so there *is* a way. But can you get a beep to alert as well?
23:41 sekjal                that would make much more sense
23:41 sekjal                ah
23:39 eythian               enter
23:39 eythian               carriage return
23:38 sekjal                Cr?
23:35 eythian               sekjal: oh, I know! Have the javascript ignore the CR being sent
23:34 sekjal                nope, jumps back to checkout... dang
23:32 sekjal                it should stay with the checkin.... but I'll confirm
23:28 eythian               that's an option, so long as the focus doesn't jump to the search box
23:27 sekjal                idea:  whenever there is a message on checkin, disable the input box for more barcodes.  like we do on circ/circulation.pl
23:26 eythian               you can get a cream for that. "Deep packet" or something.
23:25 sekjal                sorry, internet cramp
23:17 space_librarian       ...
23:16 sekjal                not sure... surely there must be a way
23:16 eythian               sekjal: can you explicitly defocus everything?
23:16 eythian               sekjal: also not optimal...
23:16 eythian               well, I'd expect something attention grabbing is good in this case too, otherwise you'll go through a bunch and realise it stopped doing anything a while back.
23:15 sekjal                if I kill the focus for the barcode input, it defaults to the checkout field at the very top...
23:15 space_librarian       there must be a way around that.
23:15 space_librarian       hmmm...
23:15 eythian               space_librarian: popups are closed by the enter key, that's bad because the scanner also sends enter
23:14 space_librarian       and they manually have to close the pop-up...?!
23:14 space_librarian       or give a pop-up if there is a hold on the book?
23:14 eythian               maybe the screen should flash colour for a moment to draw attention if sound is off...
23:13 sekjal                if sound is off, and the librarian isn't looking at the screen
23:13 sekjal                so, yes, we could wind up in a situation where every other material fails to checkin properly
23:13 sekjal                and scanning in the next barcode does confirm it, but doesn't check in that material
23:13 eythian               where do you think empericism is going to get you, huh? ;)
23:12 sekjal                okay, so we get the "hold notification" sound
23:11 * sekjal              busts out his barcode scanner
23:09 eythian               I'd think something like a double-beep and defocussing would be the best idea there
23:08 eythian               sekjal: then they'll scan something, it'll press confirm, and that scan may get missed
23:08 sekjal                but there should probably be a syspref to control that...
23:08 sekjal                it's easy enough to change the focus from the barcode input to the "confirm" button
23:07 rhcl                  I know our circ people have mentioned this, but I don't have a good frame of reference other than that, and no specific info on a bug for it.
23:04 sekjal                taking the focus off the barcode input would at least force them to look up to see why it didn't beep when they scanned the next material
23:03 sekjal                the problem being, librarians scanning in book after book, and if they don't look up to see there's a hold found, that hold never gets advanced
23:02 sekjal                does anyone recall a bug report about changing the focus for the Holds Notification box on circ/returns.pl?
22:18 cait                  koha_community++
22:18 * space_librarian     waves to cait
22:18 cait                  and thx!
22:17 rangi                 sleep well cait
22:16 cait                  good night all :)
22:16 cait                  ok, have to get some sleep
22:11 cait                  thx for your help :)
22:11 cait                  it's great
22:10 hdl                   hope that helps
22:10 hdl                   56363 borrowers and 36 branches
22:08 hdl                   https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=wong&sort_by=NULL_NULL&limit=se:%E4%BA%8C%20%E5%8D%81%20%E5%9B%9B%20%E5%8F%B2%20%E7%B4%A2%20%E5%BC%95
22:06 hdl                   around 330000 records for that one
22:06 cait                  showing the different types and sizes of libraries using koha
22:06 cait                  and some numbes
22:06 hdl                   look for wong in catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr then ;)
22:05 cait                  hdl: only want a nice screenshot for my slides
22:03 hdl                   )
22:03 hdl                   (for this one
22:03 hdl                   but will have some maintenance on Tuesday
22:02 hdl                   catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr too
22:02 cait                  sorry, getting a bit tired
22:02 hdl                   cait: provided two lines before
22:01 space_librarian       hdl:  there are some lovely catalogues in France.
22:01 cait                  url?
22:01 cait                  was looking for one
22:01 cait                  and it's academic! right?
22:01 hdl                   more than 12000 users
22:01 hdl                   aix marseille is 800000 records
22:00 wizzyrea              adieu for now ;)
22:00 wizzyrea              and with that
22:00 hdl                   But little customisation
22:00 wizzyrea              (seriously though, I know that nexpress could be improved)
22:00 hdl                   if you search for academic libraries, univ-lyon3 or aix Marseille http://catalogue.univ-aix-marseille.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
22:00 wizzyrea              cait: honesty, i like it ;)
21:59 * cait                hides
21:59 cait                  wizzyrea: but their catalog looks nicer
21:59 wizzyrea              ha!
21:59 cait                  thx hdl :)
21:59 space_librarian       wizzyrea: funny comment about travel agents. I went to a talk where the speaker claimed that libraries should be like app stores and librarians like tripadvisor...
21:59 hdl                   (around 160000  records, 12000 borrowers and 29 branches)
21:58 cait                  the only problem with french libaries is, that I always try to not have to say the name
21:58 cait                  hm lots of branches and nice layout :)
21:57 space_librarian       viva la (geek) revolucion!
21:56 wizzyrea              no pressure: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890328-264/geeks_are_the_future_a.html.csp
21:56 hdl                   montauban.biblibre.com is much bigger public library too
21:56 * space_librarian     must learn some perl so she can contribute...
21:55 wizzyrea              hee: http://ilearnedtoprogram.com/
21:55 cait                  not sure, some libraries here use that too, I am a bit indifferent about it
21:55 space_librarian       I also like Médiathèque... so much more descriptive than bibliothèque...
21:55 hdl                   indeed it is
21:55 cait                  the adv search?
21:54 hdl                   This library is quite little. But the customisation is quite interesting
21:54 cait                  looks like a public library
21:54 cait                  like bibs, items, patrons, branchs, type of library
21:54 hdl                   which numbers do you want ?
21:53 cait                  hdl: do you have maybe some numbers for me about that one? :)
21:53 wizzyrea              mhm
21:53 cait                  I like the rose in front of the headlines
21:52 wizzyrea              easy enough I'd fathom with chrome + developer tools
21:52 wizzyrea              same, and same
21:52 cait                  but not tonight :)
21:52 cait                  like the strips in the login box
21:52 cait                  I really have to find out how you do some of those nice tricks
21:52 space_librarian       I like the idea of the subject cloud.
21:51 wizzyrea              oh yea that's a pretty one
21:51 hdl                   cait: you may like this OPAC : http://cannetdesmaures.biblibre.com/
21:51 wizzyrea              hehe
21:50 space_librarian       Ah... colours of USPS... Speedlines of DHL. Mix them together and I get UPS. Oy Vey.
21:49 * space_librarian     needs coffee STAT
21:49 space_librarian       parcel*
21:49 space_librarian       I think it's all parecel companies. And the speedlines.
21:49 wizzyrea              not brown?
21:49 wizzyrea              and ... uh...
21:49 wizzyrea              it's rapid!
21:49 space_librarian       For some reason, it reminds me of UPS. Not entirely sure why.
21:48 wizzyrea              ^.^
21:48 space_librarian       point taken
21:47 wizzyrea              wtf exactly am I supposed to design around THAT monstrosity
21:47 cait                  ok, now I crashed ff4
21:47 wizzyrea              but look at that logo
21:47 * space_librarian     is amused
21:47 * wizzyrea            is ashamed
21:47 space_librarian       :p
21:47 wizzyrea              i know
21:47 space_librarian       wizzyrea: spoilsport
21:47 wizzyrea              to be honest
21:47 cait                  tbh?
21:47 wizzyrea              plain jane kind of suits it
21:47 wizzyrea              though, tbh
21:46 wizzyrea              ^.^ ok I'll do my best
21:46 cait                  ok wizzyra, you get until my next big presentation - which is in june!
21:46 wizzyrea              >.>
21:46 wizzyrea              yes, that
21:46 wahanui               cait: static from plastic slide rules
21:46 cait                  excuse?
21:46 wizzyrea              very
21:46 cait                  oh bad excuse
21:45 wizzyrea              lack of effort :P
21:45 cait                  wizzyrea: why not?
21:45 rangi                 yup
21:45 cait                  the last one is an older koha version, right?
21:45 wizzyrea              nexpress isn't as pretty as I'd like
21:44 cait                  ok, give other countries a chance ;)
21:44 rangi                 http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/
21:44 rangi                 www.library.org.nz of course
21:42 cait                  and transformed?
21:42 cait                  ah
21:41 rangi                 https://github.com/alenkovich/Koha-recently-acquired-books
21:40 rangi                 cait: those are just from amazon cait
21:40 rangi                 and then order by acquisition date
21:40 SteveJ                Doh, I totally knew that!
21:40 cait                  rangi: the pictures too?
21:40 rangi                 so do a search on an item type say
21:39 rangi                 SteveJ: any search results are an rss feed
21:39 SteveJ                cait, can you direct me to where to find that?
21:39 rangi                 yep
21:38 cait                  and you can subscribe rss feeds sorted by acq date
21:38 rangi                 naw, just pulls it from acquisitions data
21:38 cait                  more a manual thing I guess?
21:38 cait                  the pictures look too nice
21:38 brendan_              hiya all
21:38 SteveJ                The plant and food one is interesting. Is there an autpomatic feed for new items buried somewhere in Koha?
21:38 jcamins               Time to go into the city for a show. Good night, #koha
21:34 space_librarian       yeah, plant and food is one of my favourites.
21:34 rangi                 http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/
21:34 cait                  special library?
21:34 cait                  hehe
21:34 jcamins               How can every copy of Imagined Communities currently be checked out of the public library?
21:34 rangi                 https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
21:33 cait                  ok, need some nice koha libraries examples! :) nice looking catalogs are a plus
21:33 jcamins               :)
21:32 cait                  jcamins: next time
21:28 * space_librarian     is waiting patiently for LibOffice to download...
21:28 * jcamins             thinks you'd probably like the equivalent LibreOffice diagram better. :P
21:23 space_librarian       :)
21:22 cait                  now it survived
21:22 cait                  put that on the slide
21:22 * cait                took a screenshot of her excel diagram
21:13 * space_librarian     goes to install libreoffice...
21:12 wizzyrea              libreoffice is uber great :P
21:12 space_librarian       I must know more...
21:12 space_librarian       then get libreoffice. I am unfamiliar with it...
21:11 jcamins               space_librarian: sacrilege! LibreOffice is Libre!
21:11 space_librarian       and then get openoffice. :)
21:11 space_librarian       best way to save during microsoft products...
21:10 space_librarian       *coughgoogledocscough*
21:10 cait                  lol
21:10 rangi                 its sabotage i tells ya
21:09 rangi                 they hate you using it to demo open source
21:09 rangi                 its microsoft
21:09 cait                  with my unsaved slide in it
21:09 rangi                 ahh
21:09 rangi                 ?
21:09 cait                  powerpoint is dying on me :(
21:09 cait                  nooo
21:05 space_librarian       and back. Without melting...
20:52 wizzyrea              gl!
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   bbiab
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   ooh looks. some semblance of a break in the weather. time for the 100 yard dash.
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   wizzyrea: yes, I agree
20:50 wizzyrea              (aside: if they have, there goes my sacred space)
20:50 wizzyrea              unless someone has developed a mind reading computer
20:49 wizzyrea              you know that the computer can't tell you what you like unless it knows a little about you right>?
20:49 wizzyrea              and I"m like, uh...
20:49 wizzyrea              I keep hearing that "it ought to be like amazon, but with privacy"
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   that's my kind of library opac you're thinking of.
20:48 wizzyrea              !
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   rangi ++ wizzyrea ++
20:21 wizzyrea              very good suggestions
20:20 wizzyrea              family info at circ is a good one
20:20 rangi                 ok my stop bbiab
20:20 rangi                 so ppl can have little avatars by their reviews/comments etc
20:20 wizzyrea              the other stuff is cool too
20:20 wizzyrea              i would love openlibrary hooks
20:19 rangi                 like gravatar but libre
20:19 rangi                 and the opac didn't get much love lately
20:19 cait                  what is libravatar?
20:18 rangi                 is for patrons
20:17 rangi                 cos really as far as im concerned thats the main thing we have an ils for
20:17 cait                  hehe
20:17 rangi                 including openlibrary hooks
20:16 rangi                 and a bunch of other opac stuff
20:16 rangi                 for 3.6 I want openid, libravatar, shared lists (nominate friends to share them with)
20:13 cait                  rangi: I am here
20:11 rangi                 which missed the cut, but hopefully osslabs finish them off for 3.6 in october
20:10 rangi                 a bunch still waiting to be finished and submitted too
20:10 rangi                 theres a few of those
20:07 SteveJ                I'm going to go with any code that enhances analytics support
20:02 rangi                 those would be mine
20:02 rangi                 oh and the family info at circ
20:01 SpaceLibrarian_home   oooh... import/export (from what I've seen). I still need to play with it though.
20:01 rangi                 manipulate sysprefs from commandline
20:01 nengard               Import/Export Frameworks  -- Search to Hold -- Duplicate Patron -- Patron Privacy
20:01 rangi                 mine is gonna be the items out, tt, export/import frameworks
20:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   no more nozebra... um... You guys did well with this one. So hard to choose.
20:00 nengard               in koha 3.4?
19:59 wizzyrea              anybody else have 5 (or so) favorite new features?
19:58 * SpaceLibrarian_home does not want to leave home to walk 2 minutes in bad weather to get to work...
19:54 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:54 rangi                 @later tell cait bad cut and paste ill get it fixed
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   yup
19:53 huginn                wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
19:53 wizzyrea              @wunder wellington, NZ
19:53 wizzyrea              here
19:53 wizzyrea              at least it's not raining today
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   that's an understatement...
19:53 huginn                wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.1�C (2:55 PM CDT on April 26, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000.6 hPa (Steady).
19:53 wizzyrea              @wunder lawrence, ks
19:52 wizzyrea              it sucks here too
19:52 rangi                 this weather sux
19:51 wizzyrea              but it's still not by branch
19:51 sekjal                oh, right, yes, that mechanism
19:51 wizzyrea              under tools -> news -> new -> slip
19:51 * sekjal              hopes he's just out of date
19:51 wizzyrea              definitely you can add notes to them
19:50 sekjal                lots of talk about making it happen, but no code that I'm aware of
19:50 sekjal                my understanding is that receipts are not customizable at this time
19:50 wizzyrea              yes :)
19:50 sekjal                ah, this is release notes!
19:49 wizzyrea              it's listed under circulation
19:49 wizzyrea              i meant in the notes
19:49 sekjal                wizzyrea... not seeing the receipt customization options under Circulation...
19:49 wizzyrea              ooo
19:48 wizzyrea              i reeeallly ought to check that out
19:48 wizzyrea              under administration
19:48 wizzyrea              oh and ability to add news items to slips
19:47 wizzyrea              other fields
19:47 wizzyrea              Printed receipts can now include the library phone, address and
19:46 wizzyrea              it's under circulation
19:46 wizzyrea              adding the library address/phone to receipts
19:46 sekjal                wizzyrea:  receipt customization?
19:42 wizzyrea              because my libraries are going to be chewing on my ankles wanting that
19:42 wizzyrea              idk, I need to check on how it works
19:42 cait                  is it in systemparameters?
19:42 cait                  yep, I wasn't aware of the receipt thing
19:42 cait                  hehe
19:41 wizzyrea              (additionally, search to hold, and fast add)
19:41 wizzyrea              OH and the receipt customization
19:41 wizzyrea              the fines notify
19:41 cait                  also good choices!
19:41 cait                  hehe ok
19:40 wizzyrea              and i'm still looking :)
19:40 wizzyrea              Parameters in reports, run this report after creation, WYSIWYG editor for news,
19:40 wahanui               wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
19:40 cait                  wizzyrea?
19:38 cait                  now you tell me yours!
19:35 cait                  $w links/usecontrolnumber, fines/holds notify at check-in, search to hold, parameters in guided reports
19:31 wizzyrea              i don't care :)
19:31 cait                  I am biased
19:31 wizzyrea              please
19:31 wizzyrea              and tell me what your top 5 fav new features are
19:31 wizzyrea              take a looksee at the release notes for 3.4
19:31 wizzyrea              it's an easy one
19:31 wizzyrea              I have a question
19:31 wizzyrea              ok ppls
18:55 huginn                wizzyrea: 2 found: #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" and #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!"
18:55 wizzyrea              @quote search batman
18:54 huginn                druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
18:54 druthb                @quote search bacon
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009)
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:41 wizzyrea              i love that one
18:41 wizzyrea              lol
18:40 huginn                wizzyrea: Quote #124: "gmcharlt: well, obviously the Ode To Joy is the only possible sound cue for the hold-filled event" (added by wizzyrea at 06:33 PM, April 04, 2011)
18:40 wizzyrea              @quote get 124
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: 'last' is not a valid id.
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get last
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #129 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get 129
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #130 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get 130
18:32 * jcamins             is going to see Le Cage aux Folles tonight. :D
18:30 cait                  hm.
18:30 huginn                cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #131 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait                  @quote get 131
18:30 huginn                cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #133 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait                  @quote get 133
18:26 jcamins               http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-12-21#i_568783
18:25 jcamins               Ah, right.
18:25 jcamins               Why did I say that?
18:24 wizzyrea              hehe
18:24 huginn                wizzyrea: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:24 wizzyrea              @quote get 113
18:06 Oak                   night
17:53 huginn                cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
17:53 cait                  @quote 113
17:46 druthb                lol
17:46 bg                    heh funny that ruth would get a quote from jdavidb :)
17:45 huginn                druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
17:45 druthb                @quote random
17:45 gmcharlt              hi cait
17:45 cait                  hi gmcharlt
17:45 huginn                cait: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
17:45 cait                  @quote random
17:40 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
17:40 gmcharlt              @quote random
15:08 conan                 anyway, patch was attached to 3674 if you want to test if I broke everything
15:08 conan                 hdl: also, there're no empty password users anymore, which I'm not sure if was what biblibre wanted or not
15:07 conan                 hdl: too late I already made that decision and I decided exactly that :P
15:05 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3674] Creating users with empty password <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674>
14:55 hdl                   conan: no. They donot have to.
14:43 kf                    :P
14:43 druthb                kf:  harrrumph!
14:42 kf                    ok conan
14:42 kf                    pay Brooke_ back for telling the truth? :)
14:41 conan                 kf: no problem, the line of thought grew too deep, and I choose to keep it simple, but I might send a mail later to continue with what we were talking on 6220
14:30 druthb                I oughta pay Brooke_ back for that one, by wearing slacks to our dinner tonight....
14:30 wahanui               druthb: I forgot druthb
14:30 druthb                wahanui: forget druthb
14:29 druthb                harrumph!
14:29 wahanui               i heard druthb was one fine number in a skirt.
14:29 druthb                wahanui: druthb?
14:29 wahanui               kf is cait or really, really sweet.
14:29 druthb                kf?
14:29 wahanui               okay, druthb.
14:29 druthb                wahanui:  kf is also really, really sweet.
14:28 wahanui               kf is cait
14:28 jcamins               kf?
14:27 wahanui               rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer
14:27 jcamins               cait?
14:27 wahanui               okay, jcamins.
14:27 jcamins               wahanui: cait is also a programmer
14:27 druthb                :D
14:27 wahanui               cait is kf
14:27 druthb                wahanui: cait?
14:27 wahanui               somebody said kf was cait
14:27 druthb                wahanui: kf?
14:23 kf                    preparing for a presentation - i was not really following the discussion
14:23 kf                    sorry :(
14:19 conan                 and here I was this morning, talking about a bug I should be discussing with her
14:18 jwagner               (but sometimes also known as cait)
14:18 jwagner               The One and Only!
14:18 jcamins               conan: she might indeed. ;)
14:18 conan                 kf: I just realized you might be Katrin Fischer!
14:17 * kf                  is searching for a time line for her presentation
14:17 kf                    I don't get all four text fields to show up at the same time
14:15 wizzyrea              http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases
14:15 wizzyrea              :) I do
14:15 kf                    you did this nice timeline of koha releases... do you have that link somewhere? :)
14:14 kf                    ah
14:11 wizzyrea              yesm
14:11 kf                    wizzyrea: around?
13:47 conan                 hdl: one thing more: system users, the ones without password, they should be able to login?
12:39 hdl                   they are created for koha... and services. should be staff.
12:38 conan                 you mean system like in they come from the subyacent system?
12:37 hdl                   this is what induced in having disabled passwords
12:36 hdl                   So they should not have password
12:36 hdl                   conan: some users are system users.
12:36 conan                 maybe we can just fix 3674 by avoiding the encoding ModMember() is doing on default borrowers.password = '!'
12:35 conan                 and all this thinking leads me to re-think that maybe I'm making too much fuss about something nobody needs
12:35 conan                 also, if we accept Karin's idea about making autogenerated passwords 'onetime passwords' then we would need to add a column to db
12:34 conan                 if we make an automatic one for them, then we have to send it somehow, mail preferably, and that introduces much stuff in the module
12:34 conan                 the initial thing is: we haver users, then those users should have a login/password
12:33 conan                 the thing is everytime I think about it, gets more complicated
12:32 conan                 hdl: so I want to simplify my life today :)
12:32 conan                 hdl: and I endeed with a broken overengineered module
12:32 conan                 hdl: I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6224 and to include enhancements suggested by Karin Fischer on 6220
12:29 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
12:29 hdl                   bug 3674
12:29 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3764 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Towns form not clear
12:29 hdl                   bug 3764
12:29 conan                 that's my question, what to do with 3674
12:29 conan                 so 3674 needs to be properly implemented then
12:28 conan                 ok
12:28 hdl                   nahuel would not develop things without a need.
12:28 hdl                   We have.
12:28 hdl                   But what is your need ?
12:28 conan                 hdl: what do you think? do you use that feature at biblibre?
12:27 hdl                   I read.
12:27 hdl                   that is a kind of hunt I like.
12:27 conan                 hdl: you were logged in, did you read our previous conversation with rangi, or should I repeat?
12:27 conan                 hdl: sorry I was hunting a bug in bug in a bug
12:27 tcohen                question: is it a problem that a record in 'biblio' table doesn't have a frameworkcode? (i.e. ='')
12:27 wahanui               hola, conan
12:27 conan                 hdl: hello
12:22 hdl                   hi tcohen and kf
12:13 kf                    and I have an idea how to make a whole block like alternate address 'unwanted'
12:12 kf                    it needs at least the title field and the sql files fixed before it can be marked signed-off
12:11 kf                    I tested it today - noted my comments below
12:11 nengard               okey dokey
12:11 kf                    nengard: I will send a follow up
12:10 nengard               was about to test it but I'm thinking someone already did
12:10 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Custom field removal from patron entry screens
12:10 nengard               kf for bug 6190 did your fixed patch fail qa? or the original patch?
12:08 tcohen                hi hdl, paul_p
12:08 tcohen                hi nengard
12:05 nengard               morning all
12:05 kf                    hi nengard
12:01 kf                    hi hdl and paul_p
11:45 hdl                   hi conan
11:43 hdl                   hi conan?
11:22 kf                    aha
11:21 huginn                kf: 7 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a...", and #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information..."
11:21 kf                    @quote search rm
11:21 huginn                rangi: 2 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." and #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life..."
11:21 rangi                 @quote search mad
11:21 huginn                rangi: 1 found: #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,..."
11:21 rangi                 @quote search fish
11:20 huginn                rangi: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
11:20 rangi                 @list quote
11:20 huginn                rangi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
11:20 rangi                 @list
11:20 huginn                rangi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
11:20 rangi                 @help
11:20 huginn                rangi: Error: There is no command "quote".
11:20 rangi                 @help quote
11:20 kf                    I now it's in there
11:20 kf                    *sighs*
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:54 AM, June 24, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 rangi                 gnight
11:19 kf                    sleep well
11:19 kf                    :)
11:19 rangi                 ok i have to go to sleep because someone was calculating pi on the server
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes
11:19 kf                    @quote
11:19 wahanui               rangi: somebody was calculating pi on the server
11:19 rangi                 excuse
11:18 huginn                rangi: Quote #88: "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" (added by jwagner at 07:42 PM, August 06, 2010)
11:18 rangi                 @quote random
11:18 huginn                kf: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011)
11:18 kf                    @quote random
11:18 wahanui               i already had it that way, huginn.
11:18 huginn                kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
11:18 kf                    @quote
11:17 rangi                 sounds good
11:17 conan                 ok, I'll send a mail and start working on a simpler solution
11:17 francharb             ;)
11:17 francharb             kf: the weather is not that bad for pastis now but summer time is a better time, for sur!
11:17 conan                 they should be awake now...
11:16 rangi                 i think hdl or paul_p are your best bets
11:16 conan                 hum...
11:16 francharb             hi kf
11:16 rangi                 conan: nahuel doesnt work there anymore
11:16 * conan               looks left and right
11:16 conan                 anyone from biblibre around?
11:16 * rangi               doesnt make all the decisions, i just get to decide what goes into a release
11:16 kf                    is the weather better for pastis now?
11:16 conan                 yes, from nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com
11:16 kf                    hi agan francharb :)
11:15 rangi                 and try to find out what they were wanting it to do
11:15 rangi                 if you want to, you can talk with biblibre about it, it was their bug
11:15 rangi                 yep, failed qa
11:15 conan                 I don't care for 3674 either, but it's there (or was)
11:15 rangi                 sure, but debar them
11:15 kf                    connected to fines
11:14 rangi                 but im not sure why you would want to block a user logging in
11:14 kf                    we have blocks for renewals, holds and checkouts
11:14 conan                 I'm concerned with 6220, but the thing grew bigger :|
11:14 rangi                 they could still use the opac
11:14 kf                    hm
11:14 rangi                 that just stops you being able to issue items to them
11:14 rangi                 kf: that doesnt stop login
11:13 conan                 I think that's what 3674 tried to implement
11:13 kf                    debar
11:13 kf                    why not block him?
11:13 kf                    hm
11:13 rangi                 its not a feature i want/need
11:13 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in basket.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6268>
11:13 rangi                 a disabled login would be fine
11:12 conan                 but maybe I'm overthinking all this
11:12 conan                 and that lead me to think that choosing '!' to mark one disabled could be dangerous in the future
11:12 conan                 so thinking about maintaining the original password lead me to think about a possible future modification on the way to encode the password
11:11 conan                 I thought this: what if we want the hability do mark enabled/disabled users? then what if after disabling we want to re-enable them? with the character we loose the original password, and have to generate a new one
11:10 conan                 but I endeed up with an over engineered function
11:10 rangi                 the character was ok, it was just the implementation was flawed, it was being md5d
11:10 conan                 I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6220 and 6224, and to also implement Katrin fischer suggestion
11:09 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
11:09 conan                 well, I'll try to make it short then: what would you prefer to mark a disabled password (bug 3674) a character or a new column in borrowers
11:09 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
11:09 jenkins_koha          Chris Cormack: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs
11:09 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #230: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/230/
11:09 jenkins_koha          Yippie, build fixed!
11:08 rangi                 just about to go to sleep, whats up?
11:08 conan                 rangi: you around?
11:07 conan                 hello everybody
10:42 kf                    unit_tests++
10:42 kf                    rangi++
10:39 kf                    hi druthb :)
10:29 jenkins_koha          Starting build 230 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #228 1 h 48 mn ago)
10:28 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aabd70a4bfd7742013fa22977530189a03c4d78b>
10:22 magnuse               o/
10:19 rangi                 hi druthb
10:19 druthb                howdy, #koha.
10:01 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Chris Cormack: Bumping the database number
10:01 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Stéphane Delaune: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Ian Walls: Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly
10:01 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #229: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/229/
09:20 jenkins_koha          Starting build 229 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6153 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Imprint subfields displayed out of order on OPAC
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6194 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Empty Parens on Serials pages
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6257 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, MARC documentation links cause javascript error
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Colin Campbell: Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6263: shelf browser broken in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #228: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/228/
08:58 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping the database number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb9c971e3e92c002242742787fbfa15228f462bc>
08:48 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97362dd99e80c73125e132ac186a9f20c66447b9> / Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b08be41d41b2c974ed338d7ed3fff31ffcd848bf>
08:40 jenkins_koha          Starting build 228 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:40 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha          * Magnus Enger: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po
08:40 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #227: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/227/
08:39 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:39 rangi                 @later tell chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4
08:38 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=694f0fbeaf1f6896fe476977786e561c78946986> / Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c13785fed0473fbf631b047c5d543cac121ef43> / Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aa1ba
08:37 magnuse               kia ora rangi
08:36 rangi                 hi magnuse
08:36 magnuse               morgen kf
08:35 mib_w3re62            :)
08:35 mib_w3re62            tc
08:35 mib_w3re62            thax kf for help
08:35 kf                    morning magnuse
08:20 pastebot              "kf" at pasted "select b.biblionumber, title," (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25
08:18 kf                    I know how I would do it with sybase... but myswl, mom
08:16 kf                    t
08:16 kf                    ah no... it doesn
08:16 kf                    it shoudl list all
08:12 mib_w3re62            sorry cant
08:11 mib_w3re62            i can see biblionumber if there is no item with that record
08:10 mib_w3re62            can we list the record even if it doesnt have items
08:10 mib_w3re62            i guess above it right i can have single result for records
08:08 kf                    hm, group by biblionumber
08:06 kf                    order by biblionumber
08:06 kf                    group by biblionumber, itemcallnumber
08:06 kf                    from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
08:06 kf                    from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber) as count
08:06 kf                    select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
08:05 mib_w3re62            thax kf
08:04 kf                    I know where the problem is
08:04 mib_w3re62            ok
08:04 kf                    yep, let me try again
08:04 kf                    hm right
08:03 mib_w3re62            nop same
08:03 kf                    mib_w3re62: different callnumbers then I guess
07:59 jenkins_koha          Starting build 227 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:58 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f5953924fe8f3082540c7f62d54c62e4125a86> / Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f453776ff8859cd3017d6de43a7e215845cf44e>
07:49 mib_w3re62            oopsss more time....when i see the output
07:49 mib_w3re62            not only double even 5 times
07:48 mib_w3re62            kf : with above sql i am having result bt i am having biblionumber appear double for some records
07:48 rangi                 hiya AmitG
07:48 kf                    hi AmitG
07:47 AmitG                 heya kf, rangi
07:47 glernil               rangi: ok. thank you.
07:46 kf                    mib_w3re62: sorry, never tried to do that
07:46 mib_w3re62            act my server as z3950 server
07:46 kf                    :)
07:45 rangi                 pretty well i think
07:45 rangi                 hi kf
07:45 kf                    how did the training go?
07:44 kf                    hi rangi
07:44 kf                    do you want to act your installation as z3950 server or download records into koha using z3950?
07:44 rangi                 glernil: no one will be magically able to answer you, even if you ask the same question again and again, i suggest you ask on the mailing list
07:43 mib_w3re62            wht i need to do further for z3950 to make it work
07:41 mib_w3re62            bt doing this only i cant get my z3950 server worked
07:41 mib_w3re62            they told to comment out <listen id="biblioserver" >tcp:@:9999</listen>
07:41 mib_w3re62            i tried to configure z3950 server bt i found two options describe on many articles and talks....
07:40 mib_w3re62            can i ask u something abt z3950
07:39 kf                    np
07:38 mib_w3re62            :)
07:38 mib_w3re62            thax kf
07:35 glernil               notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:35 glernil               notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:35 kf                    :)
07:35 kf                    from my head
07:35 kf                    no
07:35 mib_w3re62            is this from wiki??
07:35 kf                    not necessarily, depends how yourl ibrary works with callnumbers
07:34 mib_w3re62            i guess call number will be same for all items with same record
07:33 mib_w3re62            ok
07:33 kf                    could be a problem if you have different callnumbers for items on one record
07:33 kf                    ah...
07:32 kf                    not the most elegant solution perhaps but it works
07:32 kf                    from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
07:32 kf                    from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber)
07:32 kf                    select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
07:32 mib_w3re62            can anyone help me???pleas
07:29 kf                    hm
07:28 mib_w3re62            1,  History of Nepal   ,   35  WB 2005 ,    5
07:27 mib_w3re62            biblionumber   , title, callnumber , items count
07:27 mib_w3re62            something like  table with :
07:25 mib_w3re62            I want to list the records with details  along with number of items with each records
07:22 mib_w3re62            but i cant find wht i needed on wiki
07:22 mib_w3re62            yea
07:21 kf                    have you seen the sql reports libraray on the wiki?
07:21 kf                    mib_w3re62: what do you want to do?
07:21 kf                    hi francharb :)
07:18 francharb             hello all
07:15 mib_w3re62            ?
07:13 mib_w3re62            hello anyone can help me with koha sql report?
07:11 kf                    good morning #koha
06:59 magnuse               bbl
06:59 magnuse               glernil: sorry, i'm out of ideas
06:49 alex_a                bonjour #koha
06:48 glernil               magnuse: yes there is
06:47 glernil               http://www.vimalkumar.oksociety.in/node/29
06:47 glernil               i followed the steps in this link
06:44 magnuse               glernil: do you have something like KOHA_CRON_PATH = /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs in your crontab?
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:30 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4123]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:21 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4101]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:12 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4095]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:03 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4085]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:42 eythian               but I have no systems that do it that way to check
06:42 eythian               err
06:42 eythian               I'm wondering if it's a but suspicious that the variable is in the pathname and not expanded by cron, but
06:42 magnuse               $KOHA_CRON_PATH should probably not show up there?
06:42 eythian               is there a line after that?
06:41 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:39 eythian               I'd start by looking in the cron job logs to see that they are running.
06:38 eythian               glernil: yep, which suggests that either the cron jobs are not running, are failing, or that they're running but doing nothing for some reason.
06:38 glernil               AmitG: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:37 glernil               eythian: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:37 cait                  bbl
06:37 cait                  and have to go
06:37 cait                  sorry, no idea at the moment
06:36 glernil               cait: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:36 glernil               i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:34 glernil               yes i have checkin and checkout notices
06:34 cait                  and after that I am out of ideas too :(
06:34 cait                  you should have CHECKIN and CHECKOUT in module circulation
06:33 cait                  CHECKIN?
06:31 glernil               i have 17 types of notices
06:31 cait                  yes
06:30 glernil               cait: notices are defined under tools > notices?
06:29 glernil               cait: yes definitely.. they have emails
06:25 cait                  does your borrower have an email address?
06:25 cait                  glernil: are notices defined under administration > notices?
06:25 eythian               Don't really know beyond that sorry
06:21 glernil               and i checked item checkout and item check in in the Default messaging preferences for a specific patron
06:21 glernil               i enabled the enhanced messaging in the patrons tab
06:19 eythian               also, any errors showing up in the cron logs?
06:18 eythian               hmm, not sure. Patron categories set to send overdues?
06:17 glernil               item circulation alerts are all green
06:16 glernil               where should i check?
06:12 eythian               glernil: OK, that suggests that your messages aren't being generated. Have you checked through the rules to see if stuff has changed that might be causing them to not happen?
06:11 cait                  glernil: did you update and it worked before?
06:11 glernil               eythian: there are no new messages inside the table message_queue
06:10 cait                  I use a saved report, but I don't think there is a built in access to the whole list
06:10 eythian               cait: I was thinking that there was something that showed you the whole list. I guess I just use the database.
06:10 glernil               yes... no more errors in my inbox
06:09 magnuse               glernil: and did that get rid of the "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC" messages?
06:08 glernil               magnuse: i already did that.
06:06 cait                  eythian: the messaging/notices tab in patron account
06:05 eythian               hmm, maybe the viewing of the message logs is a figment of my imagaination...
06:03 magnuse               see lines 21 and 22 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=b43d377280e2e0643021f8fd0a1a105acba8f243;hb=HEAD
06:03 eythian               Oh, I missed that one. Yeah, that'll make a difference.
06:03 magnuse               glernil: you said you got "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC"? that might mean you need to set some variable in your crontab
06:01 glernil               i just can't see what is the main problem here but when i check the account of the user after checking out there is no notice being sent
06:01 eythian               yeah, if you're handy to the database, have a look in message_queue
06:00 * eythian             checks
06:00 AmitG                 message_queue table
06:00 eythian               I think there's a way through the UI...
06:00 eythian               (i.e. is the problem sending email, or generating emails)
06:00 glernil               how can i see if it goes there?
06:00 eythian               glernil: are messages getting into the messages table?
06:00 glernil               i can send email using the command line and i already used the crontab. xample
05:59 glernil               i'm using ssmtp as my MTA and my smtp server is gmail.
05:59 AmitG                 postfix or sendmail
05:59 AmitG                 glernil u installed your mail server
05:58 glernil               after I installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:57 glernil               hello
05:57 AmitG                 heya glernil
05:55 glernil               after i installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:54 eythian               cait: it was nice and quiet
05:54 glernil               good day!
05:52 AmitG                 heya all
05:33 cait                  hm
05:22 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190>
05:09 cait                  how was the long weekend?
05:00 cait                  cool
04:50 eythian               sure. I'll do that tomorrow.
04:50 cait                  if you make one I coud link some of the old and ugly things to it
04:49 cait                  hi eythian :)
04:49 eythian               cait: there isn't one yet, I should make one though.
04:48 * eythian             packages some of Koha's newer dependencies...
04:40 Brooke_               bid!
04:32 cait                  hi hdl
04:32 hdl                   hi cait
04:20 Oak                   hi cait :) hi koha
04:20 cait                  hi Brooke_ and Oak :)
04:20 Oak                   oh thanks
04:20 Brooke_               likewise
04:20 Oak                   Hello Brooke_ :) good to see you
04:19 Brooke_               hey oak
04:19 * Brooke_             waves to cait
03:28 druthb                o/
03:28 AmitG                 heya brooke
03:27 Brooke_               hey there
03:27 AmitG                 heya all
03:09 Brooke_               you are beating the roosters to dawn.
03:09 hdl                   Well.
03:08 hdl                   hi Brooke_.
03:08 Brooke_               Ça va?
03:07 * Brooke_             smiles.
02:54 Brooke_               0/
02:44 Brooke_               0/
02:29 gmcharlt              how frequently to run process_message_queue.pl?  every few minutes or so
02:26 glernil               how frequent?
02:25 glernil               oops.. how?
02:25 gmcharlt              glernil: make sure you set PERL5LIB in the crontab
02:24 glernil               I can send email message through the commandline
02:23 glernil               BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:23 glernil               Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:23 glernil               i'm recieving the following message in my gmail inbox
02:22 glernil               i already added process_message_queue to the crontab which i set every hour
02:21 glernil               I have ssmtp as my MTA and gmail as my email server
02:21 glernil               I'm configuring koha to send notifications to patrons upon checking in and checking out an item but i'm stuck with a problem
02:20 glernil               good day!
01:22 druthb                o/
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00:40 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
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