Time  Nick                  Message
00:40 gmcharlt              @quote random
00:40 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
01:06 brendan_              @wunder 93109
01:06 huginn                brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.4�C (6:07 PM PDT on April 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... 
01:22 druthb                o/
02:20 glernil               good day!
02:21 glernil               I'm configuring koha to send notifications to patrons upon checking in and checking out an item but i'm stuck with a problem
02:21 glernil               I have ssmtp as my MTA and gmail as my email server
02:22 glernil               i already added process_message_queue to the crontab which i set every hour
02:23 glernil               i'm recieving the following message in my gmail inbox
02:23 glernil               Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:23 glernil               BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:24 glernil               I can send email message through the commandline
02:25 gmcharlt              glernil: make sure you set PERL5LIB in the crontab
02:25 glernil               oops.. how?
02:26 glernil               how frequent?
02:29 gmcharlt              how frequently to run process_message_queue.pl?  every few minutes or so
02:44 Brooke_               0/
02:54 Brooke_               0/
03:07 * Brooke_             smiles.
03:08 Brooke_               Ça va?
03:08 hdl                   hi Brooke_.
03:09 hdl                   Well.
03:09 Brooke_               you are beating the roosters to dawn.
03:27 AmitG                 heya all
03:27 Brooke_               hey there
03:28 AmitG                 heya brooke
03:28 druthb                o/
04:19 * Brooke_             waves to cait
04:19 Brooke_               hey oak
04:20 Oak                   Hello Brooke_ :) good to see you
04:20 Brooke_               likewise
04:20 Oak                   oh thanks
04:20 cait                  hi Brooke_ and Oak :)
04:20 Oak                   hi cait :) hi koha
04:32 hdl                   hi cait
04:32 cait                  hi hdl
04:40 Brooke_               bid!
04:48 * eythian             packages some of Koha's newer dependencies...
04:49 eythian               cait: there isn't one yet, I should make one though.
04:49 cait                  hi eythian :)
04:50 cait                  if you make one I coud link some of the old and ugly things to it
04:50 eythian               sure. I'll do that tomorrow.
05:00 cait                  cool
05:09 cait                  how was the long weekend?
05:22 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190>
05:33 cait                  hm
05:52 AmitG                 heya all
05:54 glernil               good day!
05:54 eythian               cait: it was nice and quiet
05:55 glernil               after i installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:57 AmitG                 heya glernil
05:57 glernil               hello
05:58 glernil               after I installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:59 AmitG                 glernil u installed your mail server
05:59 AmitG                 postfix or sendmail
05:59 glernil               i'm using ssmtp as my MTA and my smtp server is gmail.
06:00 glernil               i can send email using the command line and i already used the crontab. xample
06:00 eythian               glernil: are messages getting into the messages table?
06:00 glernil               how can i see if it goes there?
06:00 eythian               (i.e. is the problem sending email, or generating emails)
06:00 eythian               I think there's a way through the UI...
06:00 AmitG                 message_queue table
06:00 * eythian             checks
06:01 eythian               yeah, if you're handy to the database, have a look in message_queue
06:01 glernil               i just can't see what is the main problem here but when i check the account of the user after checking out there is no notice being sent
06:03 magnuse               glernil: you said you got "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC"? that might mean you need to set some variable in your crontab
06:03 eythian               Oh, I missed that one. Yeah, that'll make a difference.
06:03 magnuse               see lines 21 and 22 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=b43d377280e2e0643021f8fd0a1a105acba8f243;hb=HEAD
06:05 eythian               hmm, maybe the viewing of the message logs is a figment of my imagaination...
06:06 cait                  eythian: the messaging/notices tab in patron account
06:08 glernil               magnuse: i already did that.
06:09 magnuse               glernil: and did that get rid of the "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC" messages?
06:10 glernil               yes... no more errors in my inbox
06:10 eythian               cait: I was thinking that there was something that showed you the whole list. I guess I just use the database.
06:10 cait                  I use a saved report, but I don't think there is a built in access to the whole list
06:11 glernil               eythian: there are no new messages inside the table message_queue
06:11 cait                  glernil: did you update and it worked before?
06:12 eythian               glernil: OK, that suggests that your messages aren't being generated. Have you checked through the rules to see if stuff has changed that might be causing them to not happen?
06:16 glernil               where should i check?
06:17 glernil               item circulation alerts are all green
06:18 eythian               hmm, not sure. Patron categories set to send overdues?
06:19 eythian               also, any errors showing up in the cron logs?
06:21 glernil               i enabled the enhanced messaging in the patrons tab
06:21 glernil               and i checked item checkout and item check in in the Default messaging preferences for a specific patron
06:25 eythian               Don't really know beyond that sorry
06:25 cait                  glernil: are notices defined under administration > notices?
06:25 cait                  does your borrower have an email address?
06:29 glernil               cait: yes definitely.. they have emails
06:30 glernil               cait: notices are defined under tools > notices?
06:31 cait                  yes
06:31 glernil               i have 17 types of notices
06:33 cait                  CHECKIN?
06:34 cait                  you should have CHECKIN and CHECKOUT in module circulation
06:34 cait                  and after that I am out of ideas too :(
06:34 glernil               yes i have checkin and checkout notices
06:36 glernil               i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:36 glernil               cait: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:37 cait                  sorry, no idea at the moment
06:37 cait                  and have to go
06:37 cait                  bbl
06:37 glernil               eythian: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:38 glernil               AmitG: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:38 eythian               glernil: yep, which suggests that either the cron jobs are not running, are failing, or that they're running but doing nothing for some reason.
06:39 eythian               I'd start by looking in the cron job logs to see that they are running.
06:41 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:42 eythian               is there a line after that?
06:42 magnuse               $KOHA_CRON_PATH should probably not show up there?
06:42 eythian               I'm wondering if it's a but suspicious that the variable is in the pathname and not expanded by cron, but
06:42 eythian               err
06:42 eythian               but I have no systems that do it that way to check
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:03 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4085]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:12 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4095]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:21 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4101]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil               Apr 26 14:42:30 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4123]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:44 magnuse               glernil: do you have something like KOHA_CRON_PATH = /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs in your crontab?
06:47 glernil               i followed the steps in this link
06:47 glernil               http://www.vimalkumar.oksociety.in/node/29
06:48 glernil               magnuse: yes there is
06:49 alex_a                bonjour #koha
06:59 magnuse               glernil: sorry, i'm out of ideas
06:59 magnuse               bbl
07:11 kf                    good morning #koha
07:13 mib_w3re62            hello anyone can help me with koha sql report?
07:15 mib_w3re62            ?
07:18 francharb             hello all
07:21 kf                    hi francharb :)
07:21 kf                    mib_w3re62: what do you want to do?
07:21 kf                    have you seen the sql reports libraray on the wiki?
07:22 mib_w3re62            yea
07:22 mib_w3re62            but i cant find wht i needed on wiki
07:25 mib_w3re62            I want to list the records with details  along with number of items with each records
07:27 mib_w3re62            something like  table with :
07:27 mib_w3re62            biblionumber   , title, callnumber , items count
07:28 mib_w3re62            1,  History of Nepal   ,   35  WB 2005 ,    5
07:29 kf                    hm
07:32 mib_w3re62            can anyone help me???pleas
07:32 kf                    select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
07:32 kf                    from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber)
07:32 kf                    from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
07:32 kf                    not the most elegant solution perhaps but it works
07:33 kf                    ah...
07:33 kf                    could be a problem if you have different callnumbers for items on one record
07:33 mib_w3re62            ok
07:34 mib_w3re62            i guess call number will be same for all items with same record
07:35 kf                    not necessarily, depends how yourl ibrary works with callnumbers
07:35 mib_w3re62            is this from wiki??
07:35 kf                    no
07:35 kf                    from my head
07:35 kf                    :)
07:35 glernil               notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:35 glernil               notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:38 mib_w3re62            thax kf
07:38 mib_w3re62            :)
07:39 kf                    np
07:40 mib_w3re62            can i ask u something abt z3950
07:41 mib_w3re62            i tried to configure z3950 server bt i found two options describe on many articles and talks....
07:41 mib_w3re62            they told to comment out <listen id="biblioserver" >tcp:@:9999</listen>
07:41 mib_w3re62            bt doing this only i cant get my z3950 server worked
07:43 mib_w3re62            wht i need to do further for z3950 to make it work
07:44 rangi                 glernil: no one will be magically able to answer you, even if you ask the same question again and again, i suggest you ask on the mailing list
07:44 kf                    do you want to act your installation as z3950 server or download records into koha using z3950?
07:44 kf                    hi rangi
07:45 kf                    how did the training go?
07:45 rangi                 hi kf
07:45 rangi                 pretty well i think
07:46 kf                    :)
07:46 mib_w3re62            act my server as z3950 server
07:46 kf                    mib_w3re62: sorry, never tried to do that
07:47 glernil               rangi: ok. thank you.
07:47 AmitG                 heya kf, rangi
07:48 kf                    hi AmitG
07:48 rangi                 hiya AmitG
07:48 mib_w3re62            kf : with above sql i am having result bt i am having biblionumber appear double for some records
07:49 mib_w3re62            not only double even 5 times
07:49 mib_w3re62            oopsss more time....when i see the output
07:58 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f5953924fe8f3082540c7f62d54c62e4125a86> / Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f453776ff8859cd3017d6de43a7e215845cf44e>
07:59 jenkins_koha          Starting build 227 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:03 kf                    mib_w3re62: different callnumbers then I guess
08:03 mib_w3re62            nop same
08:04 kf                    hm right
08:04 kf                    yep, let me try again
08:04 mib_w3re62            ok
08:04 kf                    I know where the problem is
08:05 mib_w3re62            thax kf
08:06 kf                    select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
08:06 kf                    from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber) as count
08:06 kf                    from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
08:06 kf                    group by biblionumber, itemcallnumber
08:06 kf                    order by biblionumber
08:08 kf                    hm, group by biblionumber
08:10 mib_w3re62            i guess above it right i can have single result for records
08:10 mib_w3re62            can we list the record even if it doesnt have items
08:11 mib_w3re62            i can see biblionumber if there is no item with that record
08:12 mib_w3re62            sorry cant
08:16 kf                    it shoudl list all
08:16 kf                    ah no... it doesn
08:16 kf                    t
08:18 kf                    I know how I would do it with sybase... but myswl, mom
08:20 pastebot              "kf" at pasted "select b.biblionumber, title," (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25
08:35 kf                    morning magnuse
08:35 mib_w3re62            thax kf for help
08:35 mib_w3re62            tc
08:35 mib_w3re62            :)
08:36 magnuse               morgen kf
08:36 rangi                 hi magnuse
08:37 magnuse               kia ora rangi
08:38 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=694f0fbeaf1f6896fe476977786e561c78946986> / Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c13785fed0473fbf631b047c5d543cac121ef43> / Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aa1ba
08:39 rangi                 @later tell chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4
08:39 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:40 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #227: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/227/
08:40 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha          * Magnus Enger: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po
08:40 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha          Starting build 228 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:48 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97362dd99e80c73125e132ac186a9f20c66447b9> / Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b08be41d41b2c974ed338d7ed3fff31ffcd848bf>
08:58 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping the database number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb9c971e3e92c002242742787fbfa15228f462bc>
09:20 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #228: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/228/
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6263: shelf browser broken in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Colin Campbell: Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha          * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6257 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, MARC documentation links cause javascript error
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6194 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Empty Parens on Serials pages
09:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6153 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Imprint subfields displayed out of order on OPAC
09:20 jenkins_koha          Starting build 229 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:01 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #229: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/229/
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Ian Walls: Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Stéphane Delaune: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:01 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch
10:01 jenkins_koha          * Chris Cormack: Bumping the database number
10:01 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:19 druthb                howdy, #koha.
10:19 rangi                 hi druthb
10:22 magnuse               o/
10:28 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aabd70a4bfd7742013fa22977530189a03c4d78b>
10:29 jenkins_koha          Starting build 230 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #228 1 h 48 mn ago)
10:39 kf                    hi druthb :)
10:42 kf                    rangi++
10:42 kf                    unit_tests++
11:07 conan                 hello everybody
11:08 conan                 rangi: you around?
11:08 rangi                 just about to go to sleep, whats up?
11:09 jenkins_koha          Yippie, build fixed!
11:09 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #230: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/230/
11:09 jenkins_koha          Chris Cormack: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs
11:09 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
11:09 conan                 well, I'll try to make it short then: what would you prefer to mark a disabled password (bug 3674) a character or a new column in borrowers
11:09 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
11:10 conan                 I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6220 and 6224, and to also implement Katrin fischer suggestion
11:10 rangi                 the character was ok, it was just the implementation was flawed, it was being md5d
11:10 conan                 but I endeed up with an over engineered function
11:11 conan                 I thought this: what if we want the hability do mark enabled/disabled users? then what if after disabling we want to re-enable them? with the character we loose the original password, and have to generate a new one
11:12 conan                 so thinking about maintaining the original password lead me to think about a possible future modification on the way to encode the password
11:12 conan                 and that lead me to think that choosing '!' to mark one disabled could be dangerous in the future
11:12 conan                 but maybe I'm overthinking all this
11:13 rangi                 a disabled login would be fine
11:13 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in basket.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6268>
11:13 rangi                 its not a feature i want/need
11:13 kf                    hm
11:13 kf                    why not block him?
11:13 kf                    debar
11:13 conan                 I think that's what 3674 tried to implement
11:14 rangi                 kf: that doesnt stop login
11:14 rangi                 that just stops you being able to issue items to them
11:14 kf                    hm
11:14 rangi                 they could still use the opac
11:14 conan                 I'm concerned with 6220, but the thing grew bigger :|
11:14 kf                    we have blocks for renewals, holds and checkouts
11:14 rangi                 but im not sure why you would want to block a user logging in
11:15 kf                    connected to fines
11:15 rangi                 sure, but debar them
11:15 conan                 I don't care for 3674 either, but it's there (or was)
11:15 rangi                 yep, failed qa
11:15 rangi                 if you want to, you can talk with biblibre about it, it was their bug
11:15 rangi                 and try to find out what they were wanting it to do
11:16 kf                    hi agan francharb :)
11:16 conan                 yes, from nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com
11:16 kf                    is the weather better for pastis now?
11:16 * rangi               doesnt make all the decisions, i just get to decide what goes into a release
11:16 conan                 anyone from biblibre around?
11:16 * conan               looks left and right
11:16 rangi                 conan: nahuel doesnt work there anymore
11:16 francharb             hi kf
11:16 conan                 hum...
11:16 rangi                 i think hdl or paul_p are your best bets
11:17 conan                 they should be awake now...
11:17 francharb             kf: the weather is not that bad for pastis now but summer time is a better time, for sur!
11:17 francharb             ;)
11:17 conan                 ok, I'll send a mail and start working on a simpler solution
11:17 rangi                 sounds good
11:18 kf                    @quote
11:18 huginn                kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
11:18 wahanui               i already had it that way, huginn.
11:18 kf                    @quote random
11:18 huginn                kf: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011)
11:18 rangi                 @quote random
11:18 huginn                rangi: Quote #88: "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" (added by jwagner at 07:42 PM, August 06, 2010)
11:19 rangi                 excuse
11:19 wahanui               rangi: somebody was calculating pi on the server
11:19 kf                    @quote
11:19 huginn                kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
11:19 rangi                 ok i have to go to sleep because someone was calculating pi on the server
11:19 kf                    :)
11:19 kf                    sleep well
11:19 rangi                 gnight
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
11:19 kf                    @quote random
11:19 huginn                kf: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:54 AM, June 24, 2010)
11:20 kf                    *sighs*
11:20 kf                    I now it's in there
11:20 rangi                 @help quote
11:20 huginn                rangi: Error: There is no command "quote".
11:20 rangi                 @help
11:20 huginn                rangi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
11:20 rangi                 @list
11:20 huginn                rangi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
11:20 rangi                 @list quote
11:20 huginn                rangi: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
11:21 rangi                 @quote search fish
11:21 huginn                rangi: 1 found: #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,..."
11:21 rangi                 @quote search mad
11:21 huginn                rangi: 2 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." and #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life..."
11:21 kf                    @quote search rm
11:21 huginn                kf: 7 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a...", and #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information..."
11:22 kf                    aha
11:43 hdl                   hi conan?
11:45 hdl                   hi conan
12:01 kf                    hi hdl and paul_p
12:05 kf                    hi nengard
12:05 nengard               morning all
12:08 tcohen                hi nengard
12:08 tcohen                hi hdl, paul_p
12:10 nengard               kf for bug 6190 did your fixed patch fail qa? or the original patch?
12:10 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Custom field removal from patron entry screens
12:10 nengard               was about to test it but I'm thinking someone already did
12:11 kf                    nengard: I will send a follow up
12:11 nengard               okey dokey
12:11 kf                    I tested it today - noted my comments below
12:12 kf                    it needs at least the title field and the sql files fixed before it can be marked signed-off
12:13 kf                    and I have an idea how to make a whole block like alternate address 'unwanted'
12:22 hdl                   hi tcohen and kf
12:27 conan                 hdl: hello
12:27 wahanui               hola, conan
12:27 tcohen                question: is it a problem that a record in 'biblio' table doesn't have a frameworkcode? (i.e. ='')
12:27 conan                 hdl: sorry I was hunting a bug in bug in a bug
12:27 conan                 hdl: you were logged in, did you read our previous conversation with rangi, or should I repeat?
12:27 hdl                   that is a kind of hunt I like.
12:27 hdl                   I read.
12:28 conan                 hdl: what do you think? do you use that feature at biblibre?
12:28 hdl                   But what is your need ?
12:28 hdl                   We have.
12:28 hdl                   nahuel would not develop things without a need.
12:28 conan                 ok
12:29 conan                 so 3674 needs to be properly implemented then
12:29 conan                 that's my question, what to do with 3674
12:29 hdl                   bug 3764
12:29 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3764 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Towns form not clear
12:29 hdl                   bug 3674
12:29 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
12:32 conan                 hdl: I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6224 and to include enhancements suggested by Karin Fischer on 6220
12:32 conan                 hdl: and I endeed with a broken overengineered module
12:32 conan                 hdl: so I want to simplify my life today :)
12:33 conan                 the thing is everytime I think about it, gets more complicated
12:34 conan                 the initial thing is: we haver users, then those users should have a login/password
12:34 conan                 if we make an automatic one for them, then we have to send it somehow, mail preferably, and that introduces much stuff in the module
12:35 conan                 also, if we accept Karin's idea about making autogenerated passwords 'onetime passwords' then we would need to add a column to db
12:35 conan                 and all this thinking leads me to re-think that maybe I'm making too much fuss about something nobody needs
12:36 conan                 maybe we can just fix 3674 by avoiding the encoding ModMember() is doing on default borrowers.password = '!'
12:36 hdl                   conan: some users are system users.
12:36 hdl                   So they should not have password
12:37 hdl                   this is what induced in having disabled passwords
12:38 conan                 you mean system like in they come from the subyacent system?
12:39 hdl                   they are created for koha... and services. should be staff.
13:47 conan                 hdl: one thing more: system users, the ones without password, they should be able to login?
14:11 kf                    wizzyrea: around?
14:11 wizzyrea              yesm
14:14 kf                    ah
14:15 kf                    you did this nice timeline of koha releases... do you have that link somewhere? :)
14:15 wizzyrea              :) I do
14:15 wizzyrea              http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases
14:17 kf                    I don't get all four text fields to show up at the same time
14:17 * kf                  is searching for a time line for her presentation
14:18 conan                 kf: I just realized you might be Katrin Fischer!
14:18 jcamins               conan: she might indeed. ;)
14:18 jwagner               The One and Only!
14:18 jwagner               (but sometimes also known as cait)
14:19 conan                 and here I was this morning, talking about a bug I should be discussing with her
14:23 kf                    sorry :(
14:23 kf                    preparing for a presentation - i was not really following the discussion
14:27 druthb                wahanui: kf?
14:27 wahanui               somebody said kf was cait
14:27 druthb                wahanui: cait?
14:27 wahanui               cait is kf
14:27 druthb                :D
14:27 jcamins               wahanui: cait is also a programmer
14:27 wahanui               okay, jcamins.
14:27 jcamins               cait?
14:27 wahanui               rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer
14:28 jcamins               kf?
14:28 wahanui               kf is cait
14:29 druthb                wahanui:  kf is also really, really sweet.
14:29 wahanui               okay, druthb.
14:29 druthb                kf?
14:29 wahanui               kf is cait or really, really sweet.
14:29 druthb                wahanui: druthb?
14:29 wahanui               i heard druthb was one fine number in a skirt.
14:29 druthb                harrumph!
14:30 druthb                wahanui: forget druthb
14:30 wahanui               druthb: I forgot druthb
14:30 druthb                I oughta pay Brooke_ back for that one, by wearing slacks to our dinner tonight....
14:41 conan                 kf: no problem, the line of thought grew too deep, and I choose to keep it simple, but I might send a mail later to continue with what we were talking on 6220
14:42 kf                    pay Brooke_ back for telling the truth? :)
14:42 kf                    ok conan
14:43 druthb                kf:  harrrumph!
14:43 kf                    :P
14:55 hdl                   conan: no. They donot have to.
15:05 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3674] Creating users with empty password <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674>
15:07 conan                 hdl: too late I already made that decision and I decided exactly that :P
15:08 conan                 hdl: also, there're no empty password users anymore, which I'm not sure if was what biblibre wanted or not
15:08 conan                 anyway, patch was attached to 3674 if you want to test if I broke everything
17:40 gmcharlt              @quote random
17:40 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
17:45 cait                  @quote random
17:45 huginn                cait: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
17:45 cait                  hi gmcharlt
17:45 gmcharlt              hi cait
17:45 druthb                @quote random
17:45 huginn                druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
17:46 bg                    heh funny that ruth would get a quote from jdavidb :)
17:46 druthb                lol
17:53 cait                  @quote 113
17:53 huginn                cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:06 Oak                   night
18:24 wizzyrea              @quote get 113
18:24 huginn                wizzyrea: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:24 wizzyrea              hehe
18:25 jcamins               Why did I say that?
18:25 jcamins               Ah, right.
18:26 jcamins               http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-12-21#i_568783
18:30 cait                  @quote get 133
18:30 huginn                cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #133 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait                  @quote get 131
18:30 huginn                cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #131 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait                  hm.
18:32 * jcamins             is going to see Le Cage aux Folles tonight. :D
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get 130
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #130 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get 129
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #129 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea              @quote get last
18:32 huginn                wizzyrea: Error: 'last' is not a valid id.
18:40 wizzyrea              @quote get 124
18:40 huginn                wizzyrea: Quote #124: "gmcharlt: well, obviously the Ode To Joy is the only possible sound cue for the hold-filled event" (added by wizzyrea at 06:33 PM, April 04, 2011)
18:41 wizzyrea              lol
18:41 wizzyrea              i love that one
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009)
18:54 druthb                @quote random
18:54 huginn                druthb: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
18:54 druthb                @quote search bacon
18:54 huginn                druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
18:55 wizzyrea              @quote search batman
18:55 huginn                wizzyrea: 2 found: #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" and #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!"
19:31 wizzyrea              ok ppls
19:31 wizzyrea              I have a question
19:31 wizzyrea              it's an easy one
19:31 wizzyrea              take a looksee at the release notes for 3.4
19:31 wizzyrea              and tell me what your top 5 fav new features are
19:31 wizzyrea              please
19:31 cait                  I am biased
19:31 wizzyrea              i don't care :)
19:35 cait                  $w links/usecontrolnumber, fines/holds notify at check-in, search to hold, parameters in guided reports
19:38 cait                  now you tell me yours!
19:40 cait                  wizzyrea?
19:40 wahanui               wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
19:40 wizzyrea              Parameters in reports, run this report after creation, WYSIWYG editor for news,
19:40 wizzyrea              and i'm still looking :)
19:41 cait                  hehe ok
19:41 cait                  also good choices!
19:41 wizzyrea              the fines notify
19:41 wizzyrea              OH and the receipt customization
19:41 wizzyrea              (additionally, search to hold, and fast add)
19:42 cait                  hehe
19:42 cait                  yep, I wasn't aware of the receipt thing
19:42 cait                  is it in systemparameters?
19:42 wizzyrea              idk, I need to check on how it works
19:42 wizzyrea              because my libraries are going to be chewing on my ankles wanting that
19:46 sekjal                wizzyrea:  receipt customization?
19:46 wizzyrea              adding the library address/phone to receipts
19:46 wizzyrea              it's under circulation
19:47 wizzyrea              Printed receipts can now include the library phone, address and
19:47 wizzyrea              other fields
19:48 wizzyrea              oh and ability to add news items to slips
19:48 wizzyrea              under administration
19:48 wizzyrea              i reeeallly ought to check that out
19:49 wizzyrea              ooo
19:49 sekjal                wizzyrea... not seeing the receipt customization options under Circulation...
19:49 wizzyrea              i meant in the notes
19:49 wizzyrea              it's listed under circulation
19:50 sekjal                ah, this is release notes!
19:50 wizzyrea              yes :)
19:50 sekjal                my understanding is that receipts are not customizable at this time
19:50 sekjal                lots of talk about making it happen, but no code that I'm aware of
19:51 wizzyrea              definitely you can add notes to them
19:51 * sekjal              hopes he's just out of date
19:51 wizzyrea              under tools -> news -> new -> slip
19:51 sekjal                oh, right, yes, that mechanism
19:51 wizzyrea              but it's still not by branch
19:52 rangi                 this weather sux
19:52 wizzyrea              it sucks here too
19:53 wizzyrea              @wunder lawrence, ks
19:53 huginn                wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.1�C (2:55 PM CDT on April 26, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000.6 hPa (Steady).
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   that's an understatement...
19:53 wizzyrea              at least it's not raining today
19:53 wizzyrea              here
19:53 wizzyrea              @wunder wellington, NZ
19:53 huginn                wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   yup
19:54 rangi                 @later tell cait bad cut and paste ill get it fixed
19:54 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:58 * SpaceLibrarian_home does not want to leave home to walk 2 minutes in bad weather to get to work...
19:59 wizzyrea              anybody else have 5 (or so) favorite new features?
20:00 nengard               in koha 3.4?
20:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   no more nozebra... um... You guys did well with this one. So hard to choose.
20:01 rangi                 mine is gonna be the items out, tt, export/import frameworks
20:01 nengard               Import/Export Frameworks  -- Search to Hold -- Duplicate Patron -- Patron Privacy
20:01 rangi                 manipulate sysprefs from commandline
20:01 SpaceLibrarian_home   oooh... import/export (from what I've seen). I still need to play with it though.
20:02 rangi                 oh and the family info at circ
20:02 rangi                 those would be mine
20:07 SteveJ                I'm going to go with any code that enhances analytics support
20:10 rangi                 theres a few of those
20:10 rangi                 a bunch still waiting to be finished and submitted too
20:11 rangi                 which missed the cut, but hopefully osslabs finish them off for 3.6 in october
20:13 cait                  rangi: I am here
20:16 rangi                 for 3.6 I want openid, libravatar, shared lists (nominate friends to share them with)
20:16 rangi                 and a bunch of other opac stuff
20:17 rangi                 including openlibrary hooks
20:17 cait                  hehe
20:17 rangi                 cos really as far as im concerned thats the main thing we have an ils for
20:18 rangi                 is for patrons
20:19 cait                  what is libravatar?
20:19 rangi                 and the opac didn't get much love lately
20:19 rangi                 like gravatar but libre
20:20 wizzyrea              i would love openlibrary hooks
20:20 wizzyrea              the other stuff is cool too
20:20 rangi                 so ppl can have little avatars by their reviews/comments etc
20:20 rangi                 ok my stop bbiab
20:20 wizzyrea              family info at circ is a good one
20:21 wizzyrea              very good suggestions
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   rangi ++ wizzyrea ++
20:48 wizzyrea              !
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   that's my kind of library opac you're thinking of.
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
20:49 wizzyrea              I keep hearing that "it ought to be like amazon, but with privacy"
20:49 wizzyrea              and I"m like, uh...
20:49 wizzyrea              you know that the computer can't tell you what you like unless it knows a little about you right>?
20:50 wizzyrea              unless someone has developed a mind reading computer
20:50 wizzyrea              (aside: if they have, there goes my sacred space)
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   wizzyrea: yes, I agree
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   ooh looks. some semblance of a break in the weather. time for the 100 yard dash.
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   bbiab
20:52 wizzyrea              gl!
21:05 space_librarian       and back. Without melting...
21:09 cait                  nooo
21:09 cait                  powerpoint is dying on me :(
21:09 rangi                 ?
21:09 rangi                 ahh
21:09 cait                  with my unsaved slide in it
21:09 rangi                 its microsoft
21:09 rangi                 they hate you using it to demo open source
21:10 rangi                 its sabotage i tells ya
21:10 cait                  lol
21:10 space_librarian       *coughgoogledocscough*
21:11 space_librarian       best way to save during microsoft products...
21:11 space_librarian       and then get openoffice. :)
21:11 jcamins               space_librarian: sacrilege! LibreOffice is Libre!
21:12 space_librarian       then get libreoffice. I am unfamiliar with it...
21:12 space_librarian       I must know more...
21:12 wizzyrea              libreoffice is uber great :P
21:13 * space_librarian     goes to install libreoffice...
21:22 * cait                took a screenshot of her excel diagram
21:22 cait                  put that on the slide
21:22 cait                  now it survived
21:23 space_librarian       :)
21:28 * jcamins             thinks you'd probably like the equivalent LibreOffice diagram better. :P
21:28 * space_librarian     is waiting patiently for LibOffice to download...
21:32 cait                  jcamins: next time
21:33 jcamins               :)
21:33 cait                  ok, need some nice koha libraries examples! :) nice looking catalogs are a plus
21:34 rangi                 https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
21:34 jcamins               How can every copy of Imagined Communities currently be checked out of the public library?
21:34 cait                  hehe
21:34 cait                  special library?
21:34 rangi                 http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/
21:34 space_librarian       yeah, plant and food is one of my favourites.
21:38 jcamins               Time to go into the city for a show. Good night, #koha
21:38 SteveJ                The plant and food one is interesting. Is there an autpomatic feed for new items buried somewhere in Koha?
21:38 brendan_              hiya all
21:38 cait                  the pictures look too nice
21:38 cait                  more a manual thing I guess?
21:38 rangi                 naw, just pulls it from acquisitions data
21:38 cait                  and you can subscribe rss feeds sorted by acq date
21:39 rangi                 yep
21:39 SteveJ                cait, can you direct me to where to find that?
21:39 rangi                 SteveJ: any search results are an rss feed
21:40 rangi                 so do a search on an item type say
21:40 cait                  rangi: the pictures too?
21:40 SteveJ                Doh, I totally knew that!
21:40 rangi                 and then order by acquisition date
21:40 rangi                 cait: those are just from amazon cait
21:41 rangi                 https://github.com/alenkovich/Koha-recently-acquired-books
21:42 cait                  ah
21:42 cait                  and transformed?
21:44 rangi                 www.library.org.nz of course
21:44 rangi                 http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/
21:44 cait                  ok, give other countries a chance ;)
21:45 wizzyrea              nexpress isn't as pretty as I'd like
21:45 cait                  the last one is an older koha version, right?
21:45 rangi                 yup
21:45 cait                  wizzyrea: why not?
21:45 wizzyrea              lack of effort :P
21:46 cait                  oh bad excuse
21:46 wizzyrea              very
21:46 cait                  excuse?
21:46 wahanui               cait: static from plastic slide rules
21:46 wizzyrea              yes, that
21:46 wizzyrea              >.>
21:46 cait                  ok wizzyra, you get until my next big presentation - which is in june!
21:46 wizzyrea              ^.^ ok I'll do my best
21:47 wizzyrea              though, tbh
21:47 wizzyrea              plain jane kind of suits it
21:47 cait                  tbh?
21:47 wizzyrea              to be honest
21:47 space_librarian       wizzyrea: spoilsport
21:47 wizzyrea              i know
21:47 space_librarian       :p
21:47 * wizzyrea            is ashamed
21:47 * space_librarian     is amused
21:47 wizzyrea              but look at that logo
21:47 cait                  ok, now I crashed ff4
21:47 wizzyrea              wtf exactly am I supposed to design around THAT monstrosity
21:48 space_librarian       point taken
21:48 wizzyrea              ^.^
21:49 space_librarian       For some reason, it reminds me of UPS. Not entirely sure why.
21:49 wizzyrea              it's rapid!
21:49 wizzyrea              and ... uh...
21:49 wizzyrea              not brown?
21:49 space_librarian       I think it's all parecel companies. And the speedlines.
21:49 space_librarian       parcel*
21:49 * space_librarian     needs coffee STAT
21:50 space_librarian       Ah... colours of USPS... Speedlines of DHL. Mix them together and I get UPS. Oy Vey.
21:51 wizzyrea              hehe
21:51 hdl                   cait: you may like this OPAC : http://cannetdesmaures.biblibre.com/
21:51 wizzyrea              oh yea that's a pretty one
21:52 space_librarian       I like the idea of the subject cloud.
21:52 cait                  I really have to find out how you do some of those nice tricks
21:52 cait                  like the strips in the login box
21:52 cait                  but not tonight :)
21:52 wizzyrea              same, and same
21:52 wizzyrea              easy enough I'd fathom with chrome + developer tools
21:53 cait                  I like the rose in front of the headlines
21:53 wizzyrea              mhm
21:53 cait                  hdl: do you have maybe some numbers for me about that one? :)
21:54 hdl                   which numbers do you want ?
21:54 cait                  like bibs, items, patrons, branchs, type of library
21:54 cait                  looks like a public library
21:54 hdl                   This library is quite little. But the customisation is quite interesting
21:55 cait                  the adv search?
21:55 hdl                   indeed it is
21:55 space_librarian       I also like Médiathèque... so much more descriptive than bibliothèque...
21:55 cait                  not sure, some libraries here use that too, I am a bit indifferent about it
21:55 wizzyrea              hee: http://ilearnedtoprogram.com/
21:56 * space_librarian     must learn some perl so she can contribute...
21:56 hdl                   montauban.biblibre.com is much bigger public library too
21:56 wizzyrea              no pressure: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890328-264/geeks_are_the_future_a.html.csp
21:57 space_librarian       viva la (geek) revolucion!
21:58 cait                  hm lots of branches and nice layout :)
21:58 cait                  the only problem with french libaries is, that I always try to not have to say the name
21:59 hdl                   (around 160000  records, 12000 borrowers and 29 branches)
21:59 space_librarian       wizzyrea: funny comment about travel agents. I went to a talk where the speaker claimed that libraries should be like app stores and librarians like tripadvisor...
21:59 cait                  thx hdl :)
21:59 wizzyrea              ha!
21:59 cait                  wizzyrea: but their catalog looks nicer
21:59 * cait                hides
22:00 wizzyrea              cait: honesty, i like it ;)
22:00 hdl                   if you search for academic libraries, univ-lyon3 or aix Marseille http://catalogue.univ-aix-marseille.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
22:00 wizzyrea              (seriously though, I know that nexpress could be improved)
22:00 hdl                   But little customisation
22:00 wizzyrea              and with that
22:00 wizzyrea              adieu for now ;)
22:01 hdl                   aix marseille is 800000 records
22:01 hdl                   more than 12000 users
22:01 cait                  and it's academic! right?
22:01 cait                  was looking for one
22:01 cait                  url?
22:01 space_librarian       hdl:  there are some lovely catalogues in France.
22:02 hdl                   cait: provided two lines before
22:02 cait                  sorry, getting a bit tired
22:02 hdl                   catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr too
22:03 hdl                   but will have some maintenance on Tuesday
22:03 hdl                   (for this one
22:03 hdl                   )
22:05 cait                  hdl: only want a nice screenshot for my slides
22:06 hdl                   look for wong in catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr then ;)
22:06 cait                  and some numbes
22:06 cait                  showing the different types and sizes of libraries using koha
22:06 hdl                   around 330000 records for that one
22:08 hdl                   https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=wong&sort_by=NULL_NULL&limit=se:%E4%BA%8C%20%E5%8D%81%20%E5%9B%9B%20%E5%8F%B2%20%E7%B4%A2%20%E5%BC%95
22:10 hdl                   56363 borrowers and 36 branches
22:10 hdl                   hope that helps
22:11 cait                  it's great
22:11 cait                  thx for your help :)
22:16 cait                  ok, have to get some sleep
22:16 cait                  good night all :)
22:17 rangi                 sleep well cait
22:18 cait                  and thx!
22:18 * space_librarian     waves to cait
22:18 cait                  koha_community++
23:02 sekjal                does anyone recall a bug report about changing the focus for the Holds Notification box on circ/returns.pl?
23:03 sekjal                the problem being, librarians scanning in book after book, and if they don't look up to see there's a hold found, that hold never gets advanced
23:04 sekjal                taking the focus off the barcode input would at least force them to look up to see why it didn't beep when they scanned the next material
23:07 rhcl                  I know our circ people have mentioned this, but I don't have a good frame of reference other than that, and no specific info on a bug for it.
23:08 sekjal                it's easy enough to change the focus from the barcode input to the "confirm" button
23:08 sekjal                but there should probably be a syspref to control that...
23:08 eythian               sekjal: then they'll scan something, it'll press confirm, and that scan may get missed
23:09 eythian               I'd think something like a double-beep and defocussing would be the best idea there
23:11 * sekjal              busts out his barcode scanner
23:12 sekjal                okay, so we get the "hold notification" sound
23:13 eythian               where do you think empericism is going to get you, huh? ;)
23:13 sekjal                and scanning in the next barcode does confirm it, but doesn't check in that material
23:13 sekjal                so, yes, we could wind up in a situation where every other material fails to checkin properly
23:13 sekjal                if sound is off, and the librarian isn't looking at the screen
23:14 eythian               maybe the screen should flash colour for a moment to draw attention if sound is off...
23:14 space_librarian       or give a pop-up if there is a hold on the book?
23:14 space_librarian       and they manually have to close the pop-up...?!
23:15 eythian               space_librarian: popups are closed by the enter key, that's bad because the scanner also sends enter
23:15 space_librarian       hmmm...
23:15 space_librarian       there must be a way around that.
23:15 sekjal                if I kill the focus for the barcode input, it defaults to the checkout field at the very top...
23:16 eythian               well, I'd expect something attention grabbing is good in this case too, otherwise you'll go through a bunch and realise it stopped doing anything a while back.
23:16 eythian               sekjal: also not optimal...
23:16 eythian               sekjal: can you explicitly defocus everything?
23:16 sekjal                not sure... surely there must be a way
23:17 space_librarian       ...
23:25 sekjal                sorry, internet cramp
23:26 eythian               you can get a cream for that. "Deep packet" or something.
23:27 sekjal                idea:  whenever there is a message on checkin, disable the input box for more barcodes.  like we do on circ/circulation.pl
23:28 eythian               that's an option, so long as the focus doesn't jump to the search box
23:32 sekjal                it should stay with the checkin.... but I'll confirm
23:34 sekjal                nope, jumps back to checkout... dang
23:35 eythian               sekjal: oh, I know! Have the javascript ignore the CR being sent
23:38 sekjal                Cr?
23:39 eythian               carriage return
23:39 eythian               enter
23:41 sekjal                ah
23:41 sekjal                that would make much more sense
23:48 space_librarian       so there *is* a way. But can you get a beep to alert as well?
23:49 space_librarian       you don't want to think you're still checking in several more books and you're not.
23:50 sekjal                I think the real problem here is the user behavior
23:50 sekjal                scanning in materials blindly is not proper use of the system
23:51 space_librarian       but it's what many librarians do.
23:51 space_librarian       lazy behaviour.
23:52 sekjal                if they have the sound on, they'll get a different sound when the notification message shows up
23:52 eythian               well, tbh we can only do so much. If they're not looking at the screen, they should put sound on.
23:53 sekjal                so we're alerting both visually and audibly
23:53 space_librarian       if there is sound attached to computer
23:53 eythian               a small electric shock sent through the barcode scanner would be ideal :)
23:53 space_librarian       lol. yes
23:53 sekjal                eythian: agreed
23:53 space_librarian       haptic feedback is a great idea.
23:54 sekjal                we can't provide a different sound, because they're already ignoring sounds
23:54 NateC                 Hi #koha!
23:54 sekjal                we can't provide a different visual cue, because they're already ignoring those
23:54 sekjal                hey, NateC
23:54 space_librarian       hey NateC.
23:54 brendan_              hiya natec
23:54 space_librarian       sekjal: but if the system is beeping when it shouldn't...
23:54 space_librarian       they may have to see why...
23:55 sekjal                but they're already getting a nice "hold found" sound instead of the beep
23:55 sekjal                opening.ogg
23:57 space_librarian       hmmmm.
23:57 sekjal                if we defocus or otherwise dump the rest of their scans, we still run the risk of them just doing it, then walking away, and now the Hold is still unfilled, and the items have not been returned
23:58 sekjal                what about automatically confirming holds?  a system preference to just say "yes", no matter what, so there's no need for a confirm box?
23:58 space_librarian       no librarian worth their salt will walk away without checking the screen after they finish checking books in. Of course, there are always those that don't...
23:59 space_librarian       if it automatically confirms the hold, then the may need to be a pop-up with the holds screen just to double check then.