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00:40 gmcharlt @quote random
00:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
01:06 brendan_ @wunder 93109
01:06 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.4�C (6:07 PM PDT on April 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening...
01:22 druthb o/
02:20 glernil good day!
02:21 glernil I'm configuring koha to send notifications to patrons upon checking in and checking out an item but i'm stuck with a problem
02:21 glernil I have ssmtp as my MTA and gmail as my email server
02:22 glernil i already added process_message_queue to the crontab which i set every hour
02:23 glernil i'm recieving the following message in my gmail inbox
02:23 glernil Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:23 glernil BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha32/process_message_queue.pl line 28.
02:24 glernil I can send email message through the commandline
02:25 gmcharlt glernil: make sure you set PERL5LIB in the crontab
02:25 glernil oops.. how?
02:26 glernil how frequent?
02:29 gmcharlt how frequently to run process_message_queue.pl? every few minutes or so
02:44 Brooke_ 0/
02:54 Brooke_ 0/
03:07 * Brooke_ smiles.
03:08 Brooke_ Ça va?
03:08 hdl hi Brooke_.
03:09 hdl Well.
03:09 Brooke_ you are beating the roosters to dawn.
03:27 AmitG heya all
03:27 Brooke_ hey there
03:28 AmitG heya brooke
03:28 druthb o/
04:19 * Brooke_ waves to cait
04:19 Brooke_ hey oak
04:20 Oak Hello Brooke_ :) good to see you
04:20 Brooke_ likewise
04:20 Oak oh thanks
04:20 cait hi Brooke_ and Oak :)
04:20 Oak hi cait :) hi koha
04:32 hdl hi cait
04:32 cait hi hdl
04:40 Brooke_ bid!
04:48 * eythian packages some of Koha's newer dependencies...
04:49 eythian cait: there isn't one yet, I should make one though.
04:49 cait hi eythian :)
04:50 cait if you make one I coud link some of the old and ugly things to it
04:50 eythian sure. I'll do that tomorrow.
05:00 cait cool
05:09 cait how was the long weekend?
05:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190>
05:33 cait hm
05:52 AmitG heya all
05:54 glernil good day!
05:54 eythian cait: it was nice and quiet
05:55 glernil after i installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:57 AmitG heya glernil
05:57 glernil hello
05:58 glernil after I installed the latest version (3.04) koha can't send notification emails to patrons
05:59 AmitG glernil u installed your mail server
05:59 AmitG postfix or sendmail
05:59 glernil i'm using ssmtp as my MTA and my smtp server is gmail.
06:00 glernil i can send email using the command line and i already used the crontab. xample
06:00 eythian glernil: are messages getting into the messages table?
06:00 glernil how can i see if it goes there?
06:00 eythian (i.e. is the problem sending email, or generating emails)
06:00 eythian I think there's a way through the UI...
06:00 AmitG message_queue table
06:00 * eythian checks
06:01 eythian yeah, if you're handy to the database, have a look in message_queue
06:01 glernil i just can't see what is the main problem here but when i check the account of the user after checking out there is no notice being sent
06:03 magnuse glernil: you said you got "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC"? that might mean you need to set some variable in your crontab
06:03 eythian Oh, I missed that one. Yeah, that'll make a difference.
06:03 magnuse see lines 21 and 22 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=b43d377280e2e0643021f8fd0a1a105acba8f243;hb=HEAD
06:05 eythian hmm, maybe the viewing of the message logs is a figment of my imagaination...
06:06 cait eythian: the messaging/notices tab in patron account
06:08 glernil magnuse: i already did that.
06:09 magnuse glernil: and did that get rid of the "Can't locate C4/Letters.pm in @INC" messages?
06:10 glernil yes... no more errors in my inbox
06:10 eythian cait: I was thinking that there was something that showed you the whole list. I guess I just use the database.
06:10 cait I use a saved report, but I don't think there is a built in access to the whole list
06:11 glernil eythian: there are no new messages inside the table message_queue
06:11 cait glernil: did you update and it worked before?
06:12 eythian glernil: OK, that suggests that your messages aren't being generated. Have you checked through the rules to see if stuff has changed that might be causing them to not happen?
06:16 glernil where should i check?
06:17 glernil item circulation alerts are all green
06:18 eythian hmm, not sure. Patron categories set to send overdues?
06:19 eythian also, any errors showing up in the cron logs?
06:21 glernil i enabled the enhanced messaging in the patrons tab
06:21 glernil and i checked item checkout and item check in in the Default messaging preferences for a specific patron
06:25 eythian Don't really know beyond that sorry
06:25 cait glernil: are notices defined under administration > notices?
06:25 cait does your borrower have an email address?
06:29 glernil cait: yes definitely.. they have emails
06:30 glernil cait: notices are defined under tools > notices?
06:31 cait yes
06:31 glernil i have 17 types of notices
06:33 cait CHECKIN?
06:34 cait you should have CHECKIN and CHECKOUT in module circulation
06:34 cait and after that I am out of ideas too :(
06:34 glernil yes i have checkin and checkout notices
06:36 glernil i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:36 glernil cait: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent
06:37 cait sorry, no idea at the moment
06:37 cait and have to go
06:37 cait bbl
06:37 glernil eythian: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:38 glernil AmitG: i think the problem is that the system does not generate notices to be sent since the message-queue table has no entry
06:38 eythian glernil: yep, which suggests that either the cron jobs are not running, are failing, or that they're running but doing nothing for some reason.
06:39 eythian I'd start by looking in the cron job logs to see that they are running.
06:41 glernil Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:42 eythian is there a line after that?
06:42 magnuse $KOHA_CRON_PATH should probably not show up there?
06:42 eythian I'm wondering if it's a but suspicious that the variable is in the pathname and not expanded by cron, but
06:42 eythian err
06:42 eythian but I have no systems that do it that way to check
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:01 koha32-virtualbox CRON[4080]: (koha32) CMD ($KOHA_CRON_PATH/process_message_queue.pl # JOB_ID_2)
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:02 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:03 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4085]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: 1 operations waiting to be run
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:08 koha32-virtualbox Koha Zebraqueue [786]: Executing zebra operations
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:12 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4095]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:21 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4101]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:43 glernil Apr 26 14:42:30 koha32-virtualbox /usr/bin/crontab[4123]: (koha32) LIST (koha32)
06:44 magnuse glernil: do you have something like KOHA_CRON_PATH = /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs in your crontab?
06:47 glernil i followed the steps in this link
06:47 glernil http://www.vimalkumar.oksociety.in/node/29
06:48 glernil magnuse: yes there is
06:49 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:59 magnuse glernil: sorry, i'm out of ideas
06:59 magnuse bbl
07:11 kf good morning #koha
07:13 mib_w3re62 hello anyone can help me with koha sql report?
07:15 mib_w3re62 ?
07:18 francharb hello all
07:21 kf hi francharb :)
07:21 kf mib_w3re62: what do you want to do?
07:21 kf have you seen the sql reports libraray on the wiki?
07:22 mib_w3re62 yea
07:22 mib_w3re62 but i cant find wht i needed on wiki
07:25 mib_w3re62 I want to list the records with details along with number of items with each records
07:27 mib_w3re62 something like table with :
07:27 mib_w3re62 biblionumber , title, callnumber , items count
07:28 mib_w3re62 1, History of Nepal , 35 WB 2005 , 5
07:29 kf hm
07:32 mib_w3re62 can anyone help me???pleas
07:32 kf select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
07:32 kf from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber)
07:32 kf from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
07:32 kf not the most elegant solution perhaps but it works
07:33 kf ah...
07:33 kf could be a problem if you have different callnumbers for items on one record
07:33 mib_w3re62 ok
07:34 mib_w3re62 i guess call number will be same for all items with same record
07:35 kf not necessarily, depends how yourl ibrary works with callnumbers
07:35 mib_w3re62 is this from wiki??
07:35 kf no
07:35 kf from my head
07:35 kf :)
07:35 glernil notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:35 glernil notices are not being created after upgrading to 3.04
07:38 mib_w3re62 thax kf
07:38 mib_w3re62 :)
07:39 kf np
07:40 mib_w3re62 can i ask u something abt z3950
07:41 mib_w3re62 i tried to configure z3950 server bt i found two options describe on many articles and talks....
07:41 mib_w3re62 they told to comment out <listen id="biblioserver" >tcp:@:9999</listen>
07:41 mib_w3re62 bt doing this only i cant get my z3950 server worked
07:43 mib_w3re62 wht i need to do further for z3950 to make it work
07:44 rangi glernil: no one will be magically able to answer you, even if you ask the same question again and again, i suggest you ask on the mailing list
07:44 kf do you want to act your installation as z3950 server or download records into koha using z3950?
07:44 kf hi rangi
07:45 kf how did the training go?
07:45 rangi hi kf
07:45 rangi pretty well i think
07:46 kf :)
07:46 mib_w3re62 act my server as z3950 server
07:46 kf mib_w3re62: sorry, never tried to do that
07:47 glernil rangi: ok. thank you.
07:47 AmitG heya kf, rangi
07:48 kf hi AmitG
07:48 rangi hiya AmitG
07:48 mib_w3re62 kf : with above sql i am having result bt i am having biblionumber appear double for some records
07:49 mib_w3re62 not only double even 5 times
07:49 mib_w3re62 oopsss more time....when i see the output
07:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f5953924fe8f3082540c7f62d54c62e4125a86> / Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f453776ff8859cd3017d6de43a7e215845cf44e>
07:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 227 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:03 kf mib_w3re62: different callnumbers then I guess
08:03 mib_w3re62 nop same
08:04 kf hm right
08:04 kf yep, let me try again
08:04 mib_w3re62 ok
08:04 kf I know where the problem is
08:05 mib_w3re62 thax kf
08:06 kf select b.biblionumber, title, itemcallnumber, (select count(*)
08:06 kf from items i2 where i2.biblionumber = b.biblionumber) as count
08:06 kf from biblio b, items i where i.biblionumber = b.biblionumber
08:06 kf group by biblionumber, itemcallnumber
08:06 kf order by biblionumber
08:08 kf hm, group by biblionumber
08:10 mib_w3re62 i guess above it right i can have single result for records
08:10 mib_w3re62 can we list the record even if it doesnt have items
08:11 mib_w3re62 i can see biblionumber if there is no item with that record
08:12 mib_w3re62 sorry cant
08:16 kf it shoudl list all
08:16 kf ah no... it doesn
08:16 kf t
08:18 kf I know how I would do it with sybase... but myswl, mom
08:20 pastebot "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "select b.biblionumber, title," (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25
08:35 kf morning magnuse
08:35 mib_w3re62 thax kf for help
08:35 mib_w3re62 tc
08:35 mib_w3re62 :)
08:36 magnuse morgen kf
08:36 rangi hi magnuse
08:37 magnuse kia ora rangi
08:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=694f0fbeaf1f6896fe476977786e561c78946986> / Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c13785fed0473fbf631b047c5d543cac121ef43> / Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aa1ba
08:39 rangi @later tell chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4
08:39 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #227: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/227/
08:40 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6228: Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Move nb-NO-i-staff-prog-v-3002000.po -> nb-NO-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po
08:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Show active currency in system preferences
08:40 jenkins_koha Starting build 228 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97362dd99e80c73125e132ac186a9f20c66447b9> / Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b08be41d41b2c974ed338d7ed3fff31ffcd848bf>
08:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping the database number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb9c971e3e92c002242742787fbfa15228f462bc>
09:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #228: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/228/
09:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6263: shelf browser broken in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6257: Fix broken MARC documentation links
09:20 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6194 Suppress punctuation when no location
09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4
09:20 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6153: Display imprint subfields in order
09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6257 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, MARC documentation links cause javascript error
09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6194 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Empty Parens on Serials pages
09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6153 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Imprint subfields displayed out of order on OPAC
09:20 jenkins_koha Starting build 229 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #229: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/229/
10:01 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 3202: creating new 'child' categorytype patrons doesn't set branch properly
10:01 jenkins_koha * Stéphane Delaune: Bug #6143 - New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch
10:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping the database number
10:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
10:19 druthb howdy, #koha.
10:19 rangi hi druthb
10:22 magnuse o/
10:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aabd70a4bfd7742013fa22977530189a03c4d78b>
10:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 230 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #228 1 h 48 mn ago)
10:39 kf hi druthb :)
10:42 kf rangi++
10:42 kf unit_tests++
11:07 conan hello everybody
11:08 conan rangi: you around?
11:08 rangi just about to go to sleep, whats up?
11:09 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
11:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #230: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/230/
11:09 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6143 : Fixing missing sysprefs
11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6143 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, New feature: capability to limit the RSS results
11:09 conan well, I'll try to make it short then: what would you prefer to mark a disabled password (bug 3674) a character or a new column in borrowers
11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
11:10 conan I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6220 and 6224, and to also implement Katrin fischer suggestion
11:10 rangi the character was ok, it was just the implementation was flawed, it was being md5d
11:10 conan but I endeed up with an over engineered function
11:11 conan I thought this: what if we want the hability do mark enabled/disabled users? then what if after disabling we want to re-enable them? with the character we loose the original password, and have to generate a new one
11:12 conan so thinking about maintaining the original password lead me to think about a possible future modification on the way to encode the password
11:12 conan and that lead me to think that choosing '!' to mark one disabled could be dangerous in the future
11:12 conan but maybe I'm overthinking all this
11:13 rangi a disabled login would be fine
11:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in basket.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6268>
11:13 rangi its not a feature i want/need
11:13 kf hm
11:13 kf why not block him?
11:13 kf debar
11:13 conan I think that's what 3674 tried to implement
11:14 rangi kf: that doesnt stop login
11:14 rangi that just stops you being able to issue items to them
11:14 kf hm
11:14 rangi they could still use the opac
11:14 conan I'm concerned with 6220, but the thing grew bigger :|
11:14 kf we have blocks for renewals, holds and checkouts
11:14 rangi but im not sure why you would want to block a user logging in
11:15 kf connected to fines
11:15 rangi sure, but debar them
11:15 conan I don't care for 3674 either, but it's there (or was)
11:15 rangi yep, failed qa
11:15 rangi if you want to, you can talk with biblibre about it, it was their bug
11:15 rangi and try to find out what they were wanting it to do
11:16 kf hi agan francharb :)
11:16 conan yes, from nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com
11:16 kf is the weather better for pastis now?
11:16 * rangi doesnt make all the decisions, i just get to decide what goes into a release
11:16 conan anyone from biblibre around?
11:16 * conan looks left and right
11:16 rangi conan: nahuel doesnt work there anymore
11:16 francharb hi kf
11:16 conan hum...
11:16 rangi i think hdl or paul_p are your best bets
11:17 conan they should be awake now...
11:17 francharb kf: the weather is not that bad for pastis now but summer time is a better time, for sur!
11:17 francharb ;)
11:17 conan ok, I'll send a mail and start working on a simpler solution
11:17 rangi sounds good
11:18 kf @quote
11:18 huginn kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
11:18 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
11:18 kf @quote random
11:18 huginn kf: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011)
11:18 rangi @quote random
11:18 huginn rangi: Quote #88: "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" (added by jwagner at 07:42 PM, August 06, 2010)
11:19 rangi excuse
11:19 wahanui rangi: somebody was calculating pi on the server
11:19 kf @quote
11:19 huginn kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
11:19 rangi ok i have to go to sleep because someone was calculating pi on the server
11:19 kf :)
11:19 kf sleep well
11:19 rangi gnight
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010)
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010)
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
11:19 kf @quote random
11:19 huginn kf: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:54 AM, June 24, 2010)
11:20 kf *sighs*
11:20 kf I now it's in there
11:20 rangi @help quote
11:20 huginn rangi: Error: There is no command "quote".
11:20 rangi @help
11:20 huginn rangi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
11:20 rangi @list
11:20 huginn rangi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
11:20 rangi @list quote
11:20 huginn rangi: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
11:21 rangi @quote search fish
11:21 huginn rangi: 1 found: #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,..."
11:21 rangi @quote search mad
11:21 huginn rangi: 2 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." and #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life..."
11:21 kf @quote search rm
11:21 huginn kf: 7 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a...", and #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information..."
11:22 kf aha
11:43 hdl hi conan?
11:45 hdl hi conan
12:01 kf hi hdl and paul_p
12:05 kf hi nengard
12:05 nengard morning all
12:08 tcohen hi nengard
12:08 tcohen hi hdl, paul_p
12:10 nengard kf for bug 6190 did your fixed patch fail qa? or the original patch?
12:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Custom field removal from patron entry screens
12:10 nengard was about to test it but I'm thinking someone already did
12:11 kf nengard: I will send a follow up
12:11 nengard okey dokey
12:11 kf I tested it today - noted my comments below
12:12 kf it needs at least the title field and the sql files fixed before it can be marked signed-off
12:13 kf and I have an idea how to make a whole block like alternate address 'unwanted'
12:22 hdl hi tcohen and kf
12:27 conan hdl: hello
12:27 wahanui hola, conan
12:27 tcohen question: is it a problem that a record in 'biblio' table doesn't have a frameworkcode? (i.e. ='')
12:27 conan hdl: sorry I was hunting a bug in bug in a bug
12:27 conan hdl: you were logged in, did you read our previous conversation with rangi, or should I repeat?
12:27 hdl that is a kind of hunt I like.
12:27 hdl I read.
12:28 conan hdl: what do you think? do you use that feature at biblibre?
12:28 hdl But what is your need ?
12:28 hdl We have.
12:28 hdl nahuel would not develop things without a need.
12:28 conan ok
12:29 conan so 3674 needs to be properly implemented then
12:29 conan that's my question, what to do with 3674
12:29 hdl bug 3764
12:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3764 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Towns form not clear
12:29 hdl bug 3674
12:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
12:32 conan hdl: I tried to make a general fix yesterday for 3674, 6224 and to include enhancements suggested by Karin Fischer on 6220
12:32 conan hdl: and I endeed with a broken overengineered module
12:32 conan hdl: so I want to simplify my life today :)
12:33 conan the thing is everytime I think about it, gets more complicated
12:34 conan the initial thing is: we haver users, then those users should have a login/password
12:34 conan if we make an automatic one for them, then we have to send it somehow, mail preferably, and that introduces much stuff in the module
12:35 conan also, if we accept Karin's idea about making autogenerated passwords 'onetime passwords' then we would need to add a column to db
12:35 conan and all this thinking leads me to re-think that maybe I'm making too much fuss about something nobody needs
12:36 conan maybe we can just fix 3674 by avoiding the encoding ModMember() is doing on default borrowers.password = '!'
12:36 hdl conan: some users are system users.
12:36 hdl So they should not have password
12:37 hdl this is what induced in having disabled passwords
12:38 conan you mean system like in they come from the subyacent system?
12:39 hdl they are created for koha... and services. should be staff.
13:47 conan hdl: one thing more: system users, the ones without password, they should be able to login?
14:11 kf wizzyrea: around?
14:11 wizzyrea yesm
14:14 kf ah
14:15 kf you did this nice timeline of koha releases... do you have that link somewhere? :)
14:15 wizzyrea :) I do
14:15 wizzyrea http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases
14:17 kf I don't get all four text fields to show up at the same time
14:17 * kf is searching for a time line for her presentation
14:18 conan kf: I just realized you might be Katrin Fischer!
14:18 jcamins conan: she might indeed. ;)
14:18 jwagner The One and Only!
14:18 jwagner (but sometimes also known as cait)
14:19 conan and here I was this morning, talking about a bug I should be discussing with her
14:23 kf sorry :(
14:23 kf preparing for a presentation - i was not really following the discussion
14:27 druthb wahanui: kf?
14:27 wahanui somebody said kf was cait
14:27 druthb wahanui: cait?
14:27 wahanui cait is kf
14:27 druthb :D
14:27 jcamins wahanui: cait is also a programmer
14:27 wahanui okay, jcamins.
14:27 jcamins cait?
14:27 wahanui rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer
14:28 jcamins kf?
14:28 wahanui kf is cait
14:29 druthb wahanui: kf is also really, really sweet.
14:29 wahanui okay, druthb.
14:29 druthb kf?
14:29 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet.
14:29 druthb wahanui: druthb?
14:29 wahanui i heard druthb was one fine number in a skirt.
14:29 druthb harrumph!
14:30 druthb wahanui: forget druthb
14:30 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb
14:30 druthb I oughta pay Brooke_ back for that one, by wearing slacks to our dinner tonight....
14:41 conan kf: no problem, the line of thought grew too deep, and I choose to keep it simple, but I might send a mail later to continue with what we were talking on 6220
14:42 kf pay Brooke_ back for telling the truth? :)
14:42 kf ok conan
14:43 druthb kf: harrrumph!
14:43 kf :P
14:55 hdl conan: no. They donot have to.
15:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3674] Creating users with empty password <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3674>
15:07 conan hdl: too late I already made that decision and I decided exactly that :P
15:08 conan hdl: also, there're no empty password users anymore, which I'm not sure if was what biblibre wanted or not
15:08 conan anyway, patch was attached to 3674 if you want to test if I broke everything
17:40 gmcharlt @quote random
17:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
17:45 cait @quote random
17:45 huginn cait: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
17:45 cait hi gmcharlt
17:45 gmcharlt hi cait
17:45 druthb @quote random
17:45 huginn druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
17:46 bg heh funny that ruth would get a quote from jdavidb :)
17:46 druthb lol
17:53 cait @quote 113
17:53 huginn cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:06 Oak night
18:24 wizzyrea @quote get 113
18:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:24 wizzyrea hehe
18:25 jcamins Why did I say that?
18:25 jcamins Ah, right.
18:26 jcamins http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-12-21#i_568783
18:30 cait @quote get 133
18:30 huginn cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #133 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait @quote get 131
18:30 huginn cait: Error: There is no Quote with id #131 in my database for #koha.
18:30 cait hm.
18:32 * jcamins is going to see Le Cage aux Folles tonight. :D
18:32 wizzyrea @quote get 130
18:32 huginn wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #130 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea @quote get 129
18:32 huginn wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #129 in my database for #koha.
18:32 wizzyrea @quote get last
18:32 huginn wizzyrea: Error: 'last' is not a valid id.
18:40 wizzyrea @quote get 124
18:40 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #124: "gmcharlt: well, obviously the Ode To Joy is the only possible sound cue for the hold-filled event" (added by wizzyrea at 06:33 PM, April 04, 2011)
18:41 wizzyrea lol
18:41 wizzyrea i love that one
18:54 druthb @quote random
18:54 huginn druthb: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
18:54 druthb @quote random
18:54 huginn druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009)
18:54 druthb @quote random
18:54 huginn druthb: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
18:54 druthb @quote search bacon
18:54 huginn druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
18:55 wizzyrea @quote search batman
18:55 huginn wizzyrea: 2 found: #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" and #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!"
19:31 wizzyrea ok ppls
19:31 wizzyrea I have a question
19:31 wizzyrea it's an easy one
19:31 wizzyrea take a looksee at the release notes for 3.4
19:31 wizzyrea and tell me what your top 5 fav new features are
19:31 wizzyrea please
19:31 cait I am biased
19:31 wizzyrea i don't care :)
19:35 cait $w links/usecontrolnumber, fines/holds notify at check-in, search to hold, parameters in guided reports
19:38 cait now you tell me yours!
19:40 cait wizzyrea?
19:40 wahanui wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
19:40 wizzyrea Parameters in reports, run this report after creation, WYSIWYG editor for news,
19:40 wizzyrea and i'm still looking :)
19:41 cait hehe ok
19:41 cait also good choices!
19:41 wizzyrea the fines notify
19:41 wizzyrea OH and the receipt customization
19:41 wizzyrea (additionally, search to hold, and fast add)
19:42 cait hehe
19:42 cait yep, I wasn't aware of the receipt thing
19:42 cait is it in systemparameters?
19:42 wizzyrea idk, I need to check on how it works
19:42 wizzyrea because my libraries are going to be chewing on my ankles wanting that
19:46 sekjal wizzyrea: receipt customization?
19:46 wizzyrea adding the library address/phone to receipts
19:46 wizzyrea it's under circulation
19:47 wizzyrea Printed receipts can now include the library phone, address and
19:47 wizzyrea other fields
19:48 wizzyrea oh and ability to add news items to slips
19:48 wizzyrea under administration
19:48 wizzyrea i reeeallly ought to check that out
19:49 wizzyrea ooo
19:49 sekjal wizzyrea... not seeing the receipt customization options under Circulation...
19:49 wizzyrea i meant in the notes
19:49 wizzyrea it's listed under circulation
19:50 sekjal ah, this is release notes!
19:50 wizzyrea yes :)
19:50 sekjal my understanding is that receipts are not customizable at this time
19:50 sekjal lots of talk about making it happen, but no code that I'm aware of
19:51 wizzyrea definitely you can add notes to them
19:51 * sekjal hopes he's just out of date
19:51 wizzyrea under tools -> news -> new -> slip
19:51 sekjal oh, right, yes, that mechanism
19:51 wizzyrea but it's still not by branch
19:52 rangi this weather sux
19:52 wizzyrea it sucks here too
19:53 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
19:53 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.1�C (2:55 PM CDT on April 26, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000.6 hPa (Steady).
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home that's an understatement...
19:53 wizzyrea at least it's not raining today
19:53 wizzyrea here
19:53 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, NZ
19:53 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
19:53 SpaceLibrarian_home yup
19:54 rangi @later tell cait bad cut and paste ill get it fixed
19:54 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:58 * SpaceLibrarian_home does not want to leave home to walk 2 minutes in bad weather to get to work...
19:59 wizzyrea anybody else have 5 (or so) favorite new features?
20:00 nengard in koha 3.4?
20:00 SpaceLibrarian_home no more nozebra... um... You guys did well with this one. So hard to choose.
20:01 rangi mine is gonna be the items out, tt, export/import frameworks
20:01 nengard Import/Export Frameworks -- Search to Hold -- Duplicate Patron -- Patron Privacy
20:01 rangi manipulate sysprefs from commandline
20:01 SpaceLibrarian_home oooh... import/export (from what I've seen). I still need to play with it though.
20:02 rangi oh and the family info at circ
20:02 rangi those would be mine
20:07 SteveJ I'm going to go with any code that enhances analytics support
20:10 rangi theres a few of those
20:10 rangi a bunch still waiting to be finished and submitted too
20:11 rangi which missed the cut, but hopefully osslabs finish them off for 3.6 in october
20:13 cait rangi: I am here
20:16 rangi for 3.6 I want openid, libravatar, shared lists (nominate friends to share them with)
20:16 rangi and a bunch of other opac stuff
20:17 rangi including openlibrary hooks
20:17 cait hehe
20:17 rangi cos really as far as im concerned thats the main thing we have an ils for
20:18 rangi is for patrons
20:19 cait what is libravatar?
20:19 rangi and the opac didn't get much love lately
20:19 rangi like gravatar but libre
20:20 wizzyrea i would love openlibrary hooks
20:20 wizzyrea the other stuff is cool too
20:20 rangi so ppl can have little avatars by their reviews/comments etc
20:20 rangi ok my stop bbiab
20:20 wizzyrea family info at circ is a good one
20:21 wizzyrea very good suggestions
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi ++ wizzyrea ++
20:48 wizzyrea !
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home that's my kind of library opac you're thinking of.
20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home :)
20:49 wizzyrea I keep hearing that "it ought to be like amazon, but with privacy"
20:49 wizzyrea and I"m like, uh...
20:49 wizzyrea you know that the computer can't tell you what you like unless it knows a little about you right>?
20:50 wizzyrea unless someone has developed a mind reading computer
20:50 wizzyrea (aside: if they have, there goes my sacred space)
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home wizzyrea: yes, I agree
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home ooh looks. some semblance of a break in the weather. time for the 100 yard dash.
20:52 SpaceLibrarian_home bbiab
20:52 wizzyrea gl!
21:05 space_librarian and back. Without melting...
21:09 cait nooo
21:09 cait powerpoint is dying on me :(
21:09 rangi ?
21:09 rangi ahh
21:09 cait with my unsaved slide in it
21:09 rangi its microsoft
21:09 rangi they hate you using it to demo open source
21:10 rangi its sabotage i tells ya
21:10 cait lol
21:10 space_librarian *coughgoogledocscough*
21:11 space_librarian best way to save during microsoft products...
21:11 space_librarian and then get openoffice. :)
21:11 jcamins space_librarian: sacrilege! LibreOffice is Libre!
21:12 space_librarian then get libreoffice. I am unfamiliar with it...
21:12 space_librarian I must know more...
21:12 wizzyrea libreoffice is uber great :P
21:13 * space_librarian goes to install libreoffice...
21:22 * cait took a screenshot of her excel diagram
21:22 cait put that on the slide
21:22 cait now it survived
21:23 space_librarian :)
21:28 * jcamins thinks you'd probably like the equivalent LibreOffice diagram better. :P
21:28 * space_librarian is waiting patiently for LibOffice to download...
21:32 cait jcamins: next time
21:33 jcamins :)
21:33 cait ok, need some nice koha libraries examples! :) nice looking catalogs are a plus
21:34 rangi https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
21:34 jcamins How can every copy of Imagined Communities currently be checked out of the public library?
21:34 cait hehe
21:34 cait special library?
21:34 rangi http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/
21:34 space_librarian yeah, plant and food is one of my favourites.
21:38 jcamins Time to go into the city for a show. Good night, #koha
21:38 SteveJ The plant and food one is interesting. Is there an autpomatic feed for new items buried somewhere in Koha?
21:38 brendan_ hiya all
21:38 cait the pictures look too nice
21:38 cait more a manual thing I guess?
21:38 rangi naw, just pulls it from acquisitions data
21:38 cait and you can subscribe rss feeds sorted by acq date
21:39 rangi yep
21:39 SteveJ cait, can you direct me to where to find that?
21:39 rangi SteveJ: any search results are an rss feed
21:40 rangi so do a search on an item type say
21:40 cait rangi: the pictures too?
21:40 SteveJ Doh, I totally knew that!
21:40 rangi and then order by acquisition date
21:40 rangi cait: those are just from amazon cait
21:41 rangi https://github.com/alenkovich/Koha-recently-acquired-books
21:42 cait ah
21:42 cait and transformed?
21:44 rangi www.library.org.nz of course
21:44 rangi http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/
21:44 cait ok, give other countries a chance ;)
21:45 wizzyrea nexpress isn't as pretty as I'd like
21:45 cait the last one is an older koha version, right?
21:45 rangi yup
21:45 cait wizzyrea: why not?
21:45 wizzyrea lack of effort :P
21:46 cait oh bad excuse
21:46 wizzyrea very
21:46 cait excuse?
21:46 wahanui cait: static from plastic slide rules
21:46 wizzyrea yes, that
21:46 wizzyrea >.>
21:46 cait ok wizzyra, you get until my next big presentation - which is in june!
21:46 wizzyrea ^.^ ok I'll do my best
21:47 wizzyrea though, tbh
21:47 wizzyrea plain jane kind of suits it
21:47 cait tbh?
21:47 wizzyrea to be honest
21:47 space_librarian wizzyrea: spoilsport
21:47 wizzyrea i know
21:47 space_librarian :p
21:47 * wizzyrea is ashamed
21:47 * space_librarian is amused
21:47 wizzyrea but look at that logo
21:47 cait ok, now I crashed ff4
21:47 wizzyrea wtf exactly am I supposed to design around THAT monstrosity
21:48 space_librarian point taken
21:48 wizzyrea ^.^
21:49 space_librarian For some reason, it reminds me of UPS. Not entirely sure why.
21:49 wizzyrea it's rapid!
21:49 wizzyrea and ... uh...
21:49 wizzyrea not brown?
21:49 space_librarian I think it's all parecel companies. And the speedlines.
21:49 space_librarian parcel*
21:49 * space_librarian needs coffee STAT
21:50 space_librarian Ah... colours of USPS... Speedlines of DHL. Mix them together and I get UPS. Oy Vey.
21:51 wizzyrea hehe
21:51 hdl cait: you may like this OPAC : http://cannetdesmaures.biblibre.com/
21:51 wizzyrea oh yea that's a pretty one
21:52 space_librarian I like the idea of the subject cloud.
21:52 cait I really have to find out how you do some of those nice tricks
21:52 cait like the strips in the login box
21:52 cait but not tonight :)
21:52 wizzyrea same, and same
21:52 wizzyrea easy enough I'd fathom with chrome + developer tools
21:53 cait I like the rose in front of the headlines
21:53 wizzyrea mhm
21:53 cait hdl: do you have maybe some numbers for me about that one? :)
21:54 hdl which numbers do you want ?
21:54 cait like bibs, items, patrons, branchs, type of library
21:54 cait looks like a public library
21:54 hdl This library is quite little. But the customisation is quite interesting
21:55 cait the adv search?
21:55 hdl indeed it is
21:55 space_librarian I also like Médiathèque... so much more descriptive than bibliothèque...
21:55 cait not sure, some libraries here use that too, I am a bit indifferent about it
21:55 wizzyrea hee: http://ilearnedtoprogram.com/
21:56 * space_librarian must learn some perl so she can contribute...
21:56 hdl montauban.biblibre.com is much bigger public library too
21:56 wizzyrea no pressure: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890328-264/geeks_are_the_future_a.html.csp
21:57 space_librarian viva la (geek) revolucion!
21:58 cait hm lots of branches and nice layout :)
21:58 cait the only problem with french libaries is, that I always try to not have to say the name
21:59 hdl (around 160000 records, 12000 borrowers and 29 branches)
21:59 space_librarian wizzyrea: funny comment about travel agents. I went to a talk where the speaker claimed that libraries should be like app stores and librarians like tripadvisor...
21:59 cait thx hdl :)
21:59 wizzyrea ha!
21:59 cait wizzyrea: but their catalog looks nicer
21:59 * cait hides
22:00 wizzyrea cait: honesty, i like it ;)
22:00 hdl if you search for academic libraries, univ-lyon3 or aix Marseille http://catalogue.univ-aix-marseille.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
22:00 wizzyrea (seriously though, I know that nexpress could be improved)
22:00 hdl But little customisation
22:00 wizzyrea and with that
22:00 wizzyrea adieu for now ;)
22:01 hdl aix marseille is 800000 records
22:01 hdl more than 12000 users
22:01 cait and it's academic! right?
22:01 cait was looking for one
22:01 cait url?
22:01 space_librarian hdl: there are some lovely catalogues in France.
22:02 hdl cait: provided two lines before
22:02 cait sorry, getting a bit tired
22:02 hdl catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr too
22:03 hdl but will have some maintenance on Tuesday
22:03 hdl (for this one
22:03 hdl )
22:05 cait hdl: only want a nice screenshot for my slides
22:06 hdl look for wong in catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr then ;)
22:06 cait and some numbes
22:06 cait showing the different types and sizes of libraries using koha
22:06 hdl around 330000 records for that one
22:08 hdl https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=wong&sort_by=NULL_NULL&limit=se:%E4%BA%8C%20%E5%8D%81%20%E5%9B%9B%20%E5%8F%B2%20%E7%B4%A2%20%E5%BC%95
22:10 hdl 56363 borrowers and 36 branches
22:10 hdl hope that helps
22:11 cait it's great
22:11 cait thx for your help :)
22:16 cait ok, have to get some sleep
22:16 cait good night all :)
22:17 rangi sleep well cait
22:18 cait and thx!
22:18 * space_librarian waves to cait
22:18 cait koha_community++
23:02 sekjal does anyone recall a bug report about changing the focus for the Holds Notification box on circ/returns.pl?
23:03 sekjal the problem being, librarians scanning in book after book, and if they don't look up to see there's a hold found, that hold never gets advanced
23:04 sekjal taking the focus off the barcode input would at least force them to look up to see why it didn't beep when they scanned the next material
23:07 rhcl I know our circ people have mentioned this, but I don't have a good frame of reference other than that, and no specific info on a bug for it.
23:08 sekjal it's easy enough to change the focus from the barcode input to the "confirm" button
23:08 sekjal but there should probably be a syspref to control that...
23:08 eythian sekjal: then they'll scan something, it'll press confirm, and that scan may get missed
23:09 eythian I'd think something like a double-beep and defocussing would be the best idea there
23:11 * sekjal busts out his barcode scanner
23:12 sekjal okay, so we get the "hold notification" sound
23:13 eythian where do you think empericism is going to get you, huh? ;)
23:13 sekjal and scanning in the next barcode does confirm it, but doesn't check in that material
23:13 sekjal so, yes, we could wind up in a situation where every other material fails to checkin properly
23:13 sekjal if sound is off, and the librarian isn't looking at the screen
23:14 eythian maybe the screen should flash colour for a moment to draw attention if sound is off...
23:14 space_librarian or give a pop-up if there is a hold on the book?
23:14 space_librarian and they manually have to close the pop-up...?!
23:15 eythian space_librarian: popups are closed by the enter key, that's bad because the scanner also sends enter
23:15 space_librarian hmmm...
23:15 space_librarian there must be a way around that.
23:15 sekjal if I kill the focus for the barcode input, it defaults to the checkout field at the very top...
23:16 eythian well, I'd expect something attention grabbing is good in this case too, otherwise you'll go through a bunch and realise it stopped doing anything a while back.
23:16 eythian sekjal: also not optimal...
23:16 eythian sekjal: can you explicitly defocus everything?
23:16 sekjal not sure... surely there must be a way
23:17 space_librarian ...
23:25 sekjal sorry, internet cramp
23:26 eythian you can get a cream for that. "Deep packet" or something.
23:27 sekjal idea: whenever there is a message on checkin, disable the input box for more barcodes. like we do on circ/circulation.pl
23:28 eythian that's an option, so long as the focus doesn't jump to the search box
23:32 sekjal it should stay with the checkin.... but I'll confirm
23:34 sekjal nope, jumps back to checkout... dang
23:35 eythian sekjal: oh, I know! Have the javascript ignore the CR being sent
23:38 sekjal Cr?
23:39 eythian carriage return
23:39 eythian enter
23:41 sekjal ah
23:41 sekjal that would make much more sense
23:48 space_librarian so there *is* a way. But can you get a beep to alert as well?
23:49 space_librarian you don't want to think you're still checking in several more books and you're not.
23:50 sekjal I think the real problem here is the user behavior
23:50 sekjal scanning in materials blindly is not proper use of the system
23:51 space_librarian but it's what many librarians do.
23:51 space_librarian lazy behaviour.
23:52 sekjal if they have the sound on, they'll get a different sound when the notification message shows up
23:52 eythian well, tbh we can only do so much. If they're not looking at the screen, they should put sound on.
23:53 sekjal so we're alerting both visually and audibly
23:53 space_librarian if there is sound attached to computer
23:53 eythian a small electric shock sent through the barcode scanner would be ideal :)
23:53 space_librarian lol. yes
23:53 sekjal eythian: agreed
23:53 space_librarian haptic feedback is a great idea.
23:54 sekjal we can't provide a different sound, because they're already ignoring sounds
23:54 NateC Hi #koha!
23:54 sekjal we can't provide a different visual cue, because they're already ignoring those
23:54 sekjal hey, NateC
23:54 space_librarian hey NateC.
23:54 brendan_ hiya natec
23:54 space_librarian sekjal: but if the system is beeping when it shouldn't...
23:54 space_librarian they may have to see why...
23:55 sekjal but they're already getting a nice "hold found" sound instead of the beep
23:55 sekjal opening.ogg
23:57 space_librarian hmmmm.
23:57 sekjal if we defocus or otherwise dump the rest of their scans, we still run the risk of them just doing it, then walking away, and now the Hold is still unfilled, and the items have not been returned
23:58 sekjal what about automatically confirming holds? a system preference to just say "yes", no matter what, so there's no need for a confirm box?
23:58 space_librarian no librarian worth their salt will walk away without checking the screen after they finish checking books in. Of course, there are always those that don't...
23:59 space_librarian if it automatically confirms the hold, then the may need to be a pop-up with the holds screen just to double check then.