Time  Nick                Message
00:29 druthb              kia ora. :)
00:35 rangi               heya
00:56 druthb              :)
00:56 eythian             hi
00:56 wahanui             salut, eythian
01:11 glernil             can someone help me on configuring nullmailer to send notifications?
01:11 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6156, Misaligned column in cart print view <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b81eedb36ab8467295417f11bc8b5fe539b756f> / Bug 5859: Allow user to set encoding for import <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=415ea18007f58ee5d616de41cdef437d49568cc9> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_3072' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co
01:11 rangi               glernil: you have a smarthost that nullmailer is relaying through?
01:12 glernil             smarthost? i just want to use gmail.. is it possible?
01:12 rangi               ah yes
01:13 glernil             i already read much from different sources.. but i just can't figure it out..
01:13 glernil             i already installed nullmailer
01:13 rangi               are you in production yet?
01:13 rangi               http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5251
01:13 huginn              04Bug 5251: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Add support for using a gmail account as an SMTP server.
01:14 rangi               cos thats in 3.4.0 to be released on friday (available in git now)
01:14 glernil             i'm not in production.. i'm still testing the feature on a virtual machine
01:14 jenkins_koha        Starting build 192 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #190 4 j 2 h ago)
01:14 glernil             i'm using 3.2.7 the latest bug fix version
01:15 rangi               lemme check if it is in there
01:15 rangi               i think it is
01:15 glernil             tnx
01:16 rangi               ah nope not in 3.2.7
01:16 rangi               thats a shame
01:17 rangi               i havent ever actually done it with nullmailer im afraid
01:21 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6185, holds slip says 'reserve' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1efda7ceb45649b0b80cc6ab5cb8ddbe7149644a>
01:23 glernil             is there any wrong in using nullmailer?
01:23 rangi               nope should work afaik
01:23 rangi               ive just never configured it
01:23 glernil             ok.. but will it be included in 3.4?
01:24 rangi               not using nullmailer but a way to do it
01:24 rangi               http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5251
01:24 huginn              04Bug 5251: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Add support for using a gmail account as an SMTP server.
01:24 rangi               if you have a read of that
01:24 rangi               but i think people have done it with nullmailer in the past
01:24 rangi               basically
01:24 rangi               if you can send mail from the commandline
01:24 rangi               mail -s "test" your@email.address
01:25 rangi               type some stuff
01:25 rangi               hit ctrl-d
01:25 rangi               if that works then koha will work
01:25 rangi               so basically you just have to get nullmailer able to send mail, its pretty independent of koha
01:25 * rangi             hopes that helps
01:26 glernil             i tried to send email using mail -s "test" your@email.address but there is an error
01:26 rangi               what was the error?
01:26 glernil             Please install an MTA on this system if you want to use sendmail!
01:26 glernil             Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 255
01:27 glernil             so this means i havent configured right my nullmailer installation?
01:27 rangi               so im guessing nullmailer is not running/configured
01:27 rangi               yeah
01:27 glernil             so i have to configure first nullmailer.. tnx
01:27 rangi               yup
01:28 rangi               once you can send mail from your machine, then koha will be happy too
01:28 glernil             ok. got to work on it..
01:29 glernil             can you give any site for my reference?
01:30 rangi               yep
01:31 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4389 - [tt] Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63df8b42fe2332da40ae819b67b2585b25d1a5c9>
01:31 rangi               http://jonspriggs.posterous.com/use-gmails-smtp-gateway-using-the-command-lin
01:31 rangi               looks like it might work
01:31 rangi               bearing in mind i have never tried this
01:32 glernil             i tried the instructions in that link but i got an error on the second line
01:33 glernil             thanks for the help.. gtg. bye
01:33 rangi               hello hello :)
01:34 rangi               if you want to choose a different nickname hello you can type
01:34 eythian             glernil: the commands there need to be split up across multiple lines
01:34 hello               Motwlibrary
01:34 eythian             they aren't like that in the blog
01:34 rangi               /nick somethingelse (without the leading space)
01:36 rangi               or you could close the window instead :
01:36 rangi               )
01:37 ibeardslee          heh
01:41 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6189 - renewal warning should say 'renew' not checkout <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=80cd49f8f752bb426e3797e263da03725360cf34> / Remove redundant variable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c09c12e6a9fc0576fc807952fbae5625a4b9d5d> / Bug 6195 : Opac user should not have serial manage tab <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif
01:43 rangi               trying mibbit instead eh?
01:43 mib_renae           ok im a begiiner have no idea what im doing
01:44 mib_renae           im trying to find Chris
01:44 rangi               thats ok, mostly you just type
01:44 rangi               you found him
01:44 mib_renae           oh great im from MOTWLibrary we have been tweeting
01:45 rangi               yup
01:45 mib_renae           is that u
01:45 rangi               yes
01:46 mib_renae           can u help me get Koha running on my linux/ubuntu stand alone
01:46 rangi               sure can, what version of ubuntu?
01:46 mib_renae           maverick
01:47 rangi               cool
01:47 rangi               are you familair with linux?
01:47 mib_renae           would it be better if i was on it now as im not at the moment
01:47 mib_renae           no only put linux on for Koha and I have it duel with windows
01:48 mib_renae           im have a little bit of understanding as i have tried to install koha already
01:49 rangi               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha
01:50 rangi               i would follow that, but for this line
01:50 rangi               deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main
01:50 rangi               i would make
01:50 rangi               deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
01:51 rangi               but if you follw the rest of the instructions you should have a working koha up, using the packages (which makes upgrading very easy)
01:51 rangi               thats the way i would do it at least
01:52 mib_renae           does it matter if i have already install stuff or should i start from clean install
01:52 rangi               how did you install stuff the last time?
01:52 mib_renae           of linux i mean
01:52 mib_renae           command line in ubuntu
01:52 rangi               nope, you dont need a clean linux
01:53 rangi               but you dont have a half installed koha already?
01:53 rangi               if so, probably easiest to start clean
01:53 rangi               but if you have just installed some other software, thats fine
01:53 mib_renae           what would be a half install
01:53 mib_renae           i downloaded it and unzipped it
01:54 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #192: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/192/
01:54 jenkins_koha        * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3072: Add Heading-Main and Any to MARC21 DOM
01:54 jenkins_koha        * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5859: Allow user to set encoding for import
01:54 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
01:54 jenkins_koha        * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6156, Misaligned column in cart print view
01:54 rangi               well you have 2 options we can keep going with that route, if you can remember where you got up to, or you could start fresh with the packages
01:54 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5859 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Can't set character encoding with stage MARC records
01:54 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6156 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Misaligned column in cart print view
01:54 jenkins_koha        Starting build 193 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #190 4 j 2 h ago)
01:55 mib_renae           what is all that
01:56 rangi               thats just one of the bots (a program) running tests on koha
01:56 rangi               it does it every time a change is made
01:57 snail               mib_renae: think of it as a quality control over the code
01:59 mib_renae           ok so i am a little lost where im upto as i hve back tracked trying to get it to run i get to the mysql to cd to koha and it wont find it
01:59 mib_renae           says theres no file when it is clearly ther
01:59 mib_renae           anyway i will try what u gave me and start again if that is not working i will reinstall linux and start fresh
02:00 rangi               cool, using the packages will make your life a lot easier when upgrade time comes
02:02 mib_renae           ok so u r saying all i have to do is use the packages and it will do most of it for me
02:02 mib_renae           using the terminal
02:02 rangi               yes
02:03 mib_renae           i just had a look at the link i jus type in the instructions and change the line and thats it
02:03 rangi               yeah you just have to follow the instructions
02:04 mib_renae           ok so if there is any problems can i talk to u again
02:04 rangi               yep
02:05 mib_renae           great alright then im determined to get Koha happening for the library thank so much for your help
02:05 mib_renae           cheers
02:05 rangi               no problem good luck
02:06 eythian             rangi: fyi there still seem to be references to html::template::pro in koha
02:07 mib_renae           not sure what u r saying is this important
02:07 eythian             not to you it isn't :)
02:08 mib_renae           ok bye then
02:08 rangi               eythian: yeah there will be the odd custom script that wasnt using C4/Output
02:08 eythian             yeah
02:34 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #193: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/193/
02:34 jenkins_koha        * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6185, holds slip says 'reserve'
02:34 jenkins_koha        * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 4389 - [tt] Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit
02:34 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6185 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, holds slip says 'reserve'
02:34 jenkins_koha        * Colin Campbell: Bug 6195 : Opac user should not have serial manage tab
02:34 jenkins_koha        * Colin Campbell: Remove redundant variable
02:34 jenkins_koha        * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6189 - renewal warning should say 'renew' not checkout
02:34 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit
02:34 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6195 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, manage tab in opac on serials
02:34 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6189 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, renewal warning should say 'renew' not checkout
02:56 mib_renae           Hello chris
02:57 mib_renae           having some trouble
02:59 mib_renae           r u there
02:59 eythian             Hey everyone, 3.2.7 packages uploaded (and a new 3.3 from master)
03:00 eythian             mib_renae: you should describe your trouble, otherwise no one can help.
03:03 mib_renae           ok chris gave me install instructions for Koha in terminal on ubuntu it says kohabox$ not a command
03:03 rangi               thats an example prompt
03:04 eythian             everything after the '$' is the command you type. That way it looks sorta like the prompt in your own terminal.
03:04 rangi               what he said :)
03:04 mib_renae           oh ok now i feel simple
03:05 eythian             :)
03:05 mib_renae           where it says add this line do u put that in on the same command line or next line
03:05 druthb              rangi++  #freekin' BRILLIANT!
03:06 space_librarian     I guess the crosswalking will work then? :)
03:06 rangi               mib_renae: that bit above it the sudo vi bit
03:06 rangi               that should have opened vi (a text editor)
03:06 rangi               you might be better off typing
03:07 rangi               sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
03:07 rangi               and then at the bottom of the file it opens add
03:07 rangi               deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
03:07 mib_renae           ok will do that
03:07 * rangi             has to do go prepare for a demo tomorrow but i will be back later
03:09 druthb              space_librarian: buy him a beer for me, plz?
03:10 space_librarian     druthb: I can do that, no probs
03:10 druthb              thanks oodles.
03:11 space_librarian     :)
03:18 AmitG               heya all
03:18 AmitG               heya chris
03:21 mib_renae           h chris got a problem again
03:21 mib_renae           when i get to bottom of the file where do i add this line
03:24 mib_renae           there is no add at the bottom
04:21 mib_renae           hello
04:21 wahanui             privet, mib_renae
04:22 mib_renae           need help with koha install
04:22 rangi               where did you get to?
04:22 rangi               have you added that line to the bottom of the file?
04:23 mib_renae           using ubuntu mav after sources list command line get there is no add line to add deb http  koha community line
04:23 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5917' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad37f3e5e7175cb3a2a5785d552f6e06affaea97> / 5917 : Working on the translation script, fixing the line breakages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7caa309ed7e71bd3c83358e891b9c5fdfa3bab8>
04:24 mib_renae           get a e325 before going into it
04:25 rangi               what command did you run?
04:25 mib_renae           trying to add the line but it wont let me or Im doing it wrong
04:25 rangi               yes, what exactly did you run to edit the file?
04:26 mib_renae           sudo vi  etc/apt/sources.list
04:26 rangi               right well what i said was
04:27 rangi               15:08 < rangi> you might be better off typing
04:27 rangi               15:08 < rangi> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
04:27 mtj                 or use nano or pico, to edit files?
04:27 rangi               because i dont think you have ever used vi before right?
04:27 mib_renae           no
04:27 rangi               mtj: they wont be installed, gedit will
04:27 mtj                 n00bs find those editors a bit easyier
04:28 mib_renae           gedit is that like vi
04:28 rangi               no
04:29 rangi               its more like notepad on windows
04:29 jenkins_koha        Starting build 194 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #190 4 j 5 h ago)
04:29 mib_renae           oh
04:29 mib_renae           im really green on this stuff
04:30 mib_renae           can u give me the exact command to do
04:30 rangi               sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
04:30 mib_renae           i tried that but i get a whole row of arrow things
04:30 mib_renae           i will try again can u wait
04:32 mib_renae           ok got it up now so i just go to the end and start typing in the commands
04:32 rangi               cut and paste would be better
04:32 rangi               and there is only one line you have to type there
04:32 rangi               deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
04:33 mtj                 mib_renae:  you simply need to practice 'editing a file' before you are going to  succeed...
04:33 mib_renae           ok ive done that now i just save and exit
04:33 mtj                 mib_renae: have a google-about for 'editing a file on ubuntu'
04:34 mib_renae           ok
04:34 mtj                 yep, thats right
04:35 mtj                 make sure you dont have any typos, computers are bitchy about typos
04:35 mib_renae           ok now i just do the next lot of commands
04:35 rangi               yes 3 commands
04:35 rangi               then another file to edit
04:35 mib_renae           the first command has a long bar i dont recognise what is it
04:35 mib_renae           after asc
04:36 rangi               thats why i said cut and paste
04:36 rangi               but if you need to type it
04:36 rangi               its on the \ key
04:36 mib_renae           oh double line
04:36 rangi               shift+\ on most keyboards
04:36 mib_renae           got it
04:36 eythian             mib_renae: don't type it
04:36 eythian             mib_renae: copy and paste it
04:36 eythian             you _will_ make a mistake and it will get confusing if you type it.
04:36 mib_renae           from the wiki file
04:37 eythian             yeah
04:38 mib_renae           ok will do probably be back im sure thank u once again
04:49 mib_renae           hello again
04:50 mib_renae           im upto confirguring nullmailer
04:50 mib_renae           what do i do
04:52 eythian             I wouldn't. I'd leave that until later when other things are working.
04:52 mib_renae           -i have just selected ok
04:52 rangi               nullmailer?
04:52 kmkale              Namaskar #koha
04:53 mib_renae           it t was a blue screen for configuring
04:53 eythian             talofa kmkale
04:53 eythian             oh righ
04:53 eythian             well then it's probably working, assuming you filled it out
04:53 kmkale              hi eythian
04:53 kmkale              hi rangi
04:55 space_librarian     hey kmkale
04:55 kmkale              hi space_librarian
04:55 kmkale              :)
04:55 space_librarian     :)
04:55 mib_renae           i didn't put anything in just selected ok
04:56 eythian             well, when you selected OK, what was it telling you?
04:57 mib_renae           nothing just went to the next screen I did the same thing it left the configure box and kept doing the setting up stuff
04:58 eythian             yeah, but it only pops up those boxes when it's giving you information or telling you that you need to do something. What did it say?
04:59 * space_librarian   waves good evening.
04:59 mib_renae           it was about mail
04:59 mib_renae           i can't remember it all sorry
05:00 mib_renae           iam
05:01 mib_renae           iam in the sudo vi /etc/koh/koha-sites.conf do i just type cut and past the next lot of commands
05:02 eythian             well, they're not commands. They're things to put into the text file. But yes. Although, I'd suggest using 'gedit' instead of 'vi' as was recommended earlier.
05:02 mib_renae           well how do i get out of the vi
05:02 mib_renae           to gedit
05:02 eythian             press ESC, then :q!
05:03 eythian             then enter
05:03 mib_renae           ok so same line but use gedit right
05:03 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Updating package lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=139d3a81f732b380a5f569470d8c1c0b5cc84d64>
05:03 eythian             yes
05:05 cait                hi #koha
05:05 mib_renae           ok so im in this box so i just cut and past the lines
05:05 eythian             hi cait
05:05 eythian             yep
05:05 cait                hi eythian :)
05:06 mib_renae           then save and exit
05:06 eythian             yeah
05:09 mib_renae           ok done the last 3 lines am is it all complete now
05:09 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #194: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/194/
05:09 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: 5917 : Working on the translation script, fixing the line breakages
05:09 jenkins_koha        Starting build 195 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #190 4 j 6 h ago)
05:10 eythian             should be
05:11 mib_renae           ok thank you so much i just leave the terminal now is that ok
05:11 eythian             yep
05:11 cait                !jenkins botsnack cookie
05:11 jenkins_koha        cait: great! yum yum. I really like that cookie
05:11 mib_renae           great :D im very happy
05:12 mib_renae           thank you all
05:12 eythian             Although, if you're planning on running a production server, I'd _really_ recommend either getting someone to teach you sysadmin skills (not a small field) or just getting someone to maintain it for you.
05:23 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5917 : We need to catch the comments for the xslt to work <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aed8bfab6423ac9314a3f2ce146781dfa50938ce>
05:25 cait                rangi++
05:31 cait                ... installing
05:39 cait                ...updating
05:49 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #195: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/195/
05:49 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: Updating package lists
05:49 jenkins_koha        Starting build 196 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #190 4 j 6 h ago)
05:56 cait                rangi?
05:56 wahanui             well, rangi is asking for a vote on the next meeting i think
05:57 cait                forget rangi
05:57 wahanui             cait: I forgot rangi
05:58 cait                @later tell rangi xslt seems translatable now
05:58 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
05:59 cait                @later tell rangi Cart and LIsts buttons won't translate,  tabs in borrower account (my ...) are also not translated
05:59 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
06:00 cait                @later also we have a gazillion comments in the po file, that need no translation "%s<!-- We tried to issue, but failed. --> "
06:00 huginn              cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
06:00 wahanui             i already had it that way, huginn.
06:01 cait                @later tell rangi also we have a gazillion comments in the po file, that need no translation "%s<!-- We tried to issue, but failed. --> "
06:01 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
06:01 cait                hm ok
06:02 braedon             ... perhaps i am just sleep deprived, but i am totally confused by that exchange...
06:03 cait                I was leaving messages for rangi and the bots felt left out
06:05 braedon             haha, so i figured, but some of their replies...
06:05 braedon             they seem to have been upgraded since i was last here - perhaps too much? :P
06:06 cait                not sure, we like them
06:07 cait                they can do a lot of useful things :
06:07 braedon             until they try and turn us into batteries :)
06:07 cait                :)
06:07 * braedon           awaits the electric shock through his keyboard
06:12 cait                hi Irma :)
06:17 AmitG               heya cait
06:29 cait                hi AmitG
06:29 jenkins_koha        Yippie, build fixed!
06:29 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #196: FIXED in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/196/
06:29 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : We need to catch the comments for the xslt to work
06:29 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
06:36 francharb           hello #koha
06:39 alex_a              bonjour #koha
06:40 cait                bonjour francharb and alex_a :)
06:43 alex_a              Guten Tag cait
06:43 cait                :)
06:43 alex_a              :)
06:43 pastebot0           "cait" at pasted "#. %1$s: Template::Toolkit Dir" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/14
06:44 cait                @later tell chris the $s are always Template::Toolkit Directive now: http://paste.koha-community.org/14 - should show the variable names instead, so you can guess what goes in there
06:44 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
06:45 cait                time to change my identity - ttyl :)
06:47 glernil             good day!
06:50 glernil             how can i configure koha to send check out and check in messages?
06:51 glernil             i can send email already using the command line. i used ssmtp as my mta
06:52 magnuse             kia ora #koha
06:58 julian              hi #koha !
07:06 rangi               cait: i can probably do that but i thought that was better than ERROR for now
07:06 rangi               i was more concentrating on fixing the splitting lines
07:07 rangi               which i think is now working
07:10 rangi               glernil: thats all in the manual
07:11 rangi               lemme find you the link
07:15 rangi               glernil: you have to turn on the EnhancedMessaging preferences
07:22 rangi               @later tell kf if i remove the comments, xslt is no longer translatable
07:22 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
07:23 rangi               @later tell kf no idea about the buttons, are they js again?
07:23 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
07:23 rangi               @later tell kf basically we have run out of time for 3.4.0 its as good as it going to get for the release, more fixes will have to wait for 3.4.1
07:23 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
07:24 mib_renae           hi having abit more trouble
07:24 mib_renae           cant get the password it is denying me access in the conf.xml file
07:25 glernil             rangi: i turned it on already.. yet the status of the message in the msg queue is failed
07:27 mib_renae           can u tell me the password
07:27 wahanui             the password is random.
07:28 mib_renae           ok thank u
07:31 mib_renae           sorry it is not working
07:31 magnuse             mib_renae: wahanui is a bot, he has no idea what he's talking about...
07:31 magnuse             wahanui: forget the password
07:31 wahanui             magnuse: I forgot password
07:31 mib_renae           how do i get the password
07:32 magnuse             mib_renae: what password?
07:32 magnuse             bonjour hdl
07:32 hdl                 hi magnuse
07:33 rangi               @later tell gmcharlt do you think 5579 is ready to merge
07:33 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
07:33 mib_renae           the password to access koha on my desktop the koha-conf.xml file denies me access
07:34 rangi               the password will be in the koha-conf.xml file
07:34 mib_renae           yes i know but it wont let me access it
07:34 rangi               what did you call your site when you did the koha-create?
07:34 mib_renae           it denies me
07:34 rangi               use sudo
07:35 mib_renae           koha is what is said on the command line
07:35 mib_renae           i just cut and pasted it
07:36 rangi               sudo cat /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml
07:36 rangi               that will print out the file for you
07:36 mib_renae           i dont have a printer connected will it show on the screen
07:37 rangi               yes
07:37 mib_renae           ok thank u i will try that
07:42 mib_renae           ok which one is it
07:43 kf                  jo
07:43 kf                  hi #koha
07:44 jenkins_koha        Starting build 197 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
07:48 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Release notes for 3.4.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a3414a624be0e6173df8284e420a963245afe62>
07:52 magnuse             hm, looks like the fix for bug 6160 was only partial, nengard reported a similar problem on bug 5671
07:52 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6160 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, my details not showing tabs
07:52 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5671 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED, Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary"
07:59 pastebot0           "rangi" at pasted "for kf" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/15
08:00 rangi               kf: fixed one thing
08:00 rangi               that looks better eh?
08:01 kf                  yes
08:02 kf                  better :)
08:02 kf                  in this case 2 strings would be fine - it's really hard :(
08:02 kf                  quite sure there is no perfect solution
08:03 kf                  I think in the old system we didn't get the if/else things as placeholders, but only variables
08:03 kf                  not sure we can make it work like that again and this will be good in all circumstances
08:04 rangi               yeah
08:04 rangi               i dont think we can get it to drop out the if, and foreach etc
08:05 rangi               tmpl was a bit easier in that respect
08:05 rangi               cos they were all TMPL_VAR or TMPL_IF etc
08:05 rangi               but [% anything can go here %]
08:05 rangi               i think safest is to placeholder any tag that is part of a string
08:06 rangi               ill try to remove the ones that have nothing but placeholders :)
08:07 kf                  rangi: yes, that would be cool
08:10 rangi               ohh fixed the comments
08:15 rangi               ok, i think that is much better
08:16 rangi               i just want to try to remove any lines that contain just placeholders
08:20 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5917 : Removing comments <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bd7461b639c32816f031e3a4ab7914a327ed5a2>
08:23 fredericd           yo
08:23 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #197: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/197/
08:23 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.4.0
08:23 jenkins_koha        Starting build 198 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:36 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5671] Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary" <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5671>
08:39 magnuse             rangi: is there still time for another signoff on Bug 5579? i can start testing it now
08:39 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
08:39 rangi               yep
08:39 rangi               still time :)
08:40 magnuse             ok, i'll give it a try then
08:42 rangi               thanks
08:51 paul_p              rangi, 1st results of my testing in your mailbox
08:52 AmitG               heya paul_p
08:52 paul_p              Hello AmitG
08:52 paul_p              :q
08:57 rangi               thanks
08:57 rangi               i wonder if it does the same for en?
08:57 rangi               ill check it out
09:03 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #198: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/198/
09:03 jenkins_koha        Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : Removing comments <!-- etc from the po file
09:03 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
09:05 pastebot0           "magnuse" at pasted "Unified patch for Bug 5579 does not apply" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/16
09:05 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
09:06 magnuse             what's "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless"?
09:07 rangi               usually means the patch is busted
09:07 rangi               yeah
09:07 rangi               dangit
09:07 rangi               paul_p: thanks for that, ive spotted the problem fixing now
09:08 rangi               it does only show up installing in  another language so very handy that you tested taht
09:19 magnuse             so what to do about the busted patch?
09:26 rangi               well they werent changed at all
09:27 rangi               so you could grab the branch from galen, plus the the 2 extra patches
09:27 rangi               and resign off
09:33 magnuse             and galen's branch would be this one? http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-galen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bug5579
09:35 rangi               it should be on the bug
09:35 rangi               lemme check
09:36 rangi               ah yep that looks like it
09:36 magnuse             ok, thanks
09:36 hdl1                rangi: when there are many many items, I was told that the display was too slow.
09:37 hdl1                (I was told today
09:37 hdl1                )
09:39 rangi               with 5579?
09:39 rangi               slower than it is now?
09:43 * kf                kf_lunch
09:55 Cybermon            hi all
09:57 Cybermon            i have this log: 17:58:38-19/04 zebrasrv(1) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s)
09:58 Cybermon            for koha-zebradaemon-output.log
09:58 Cybermon            what is mean this log ?
10:04 magnuse             Cybermon: perhaps kf_lunch can answer when she is no longer lunching...
10:06 Cybermon            okay
10:09 rangi               paul_p: fixed in master, building new tarball for testing
10:10 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6205 : Fix for the installer, falling back to english <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=378602e4fa52db04d245ce1a7917591867a783f6> / Bug 6205 : Further fix for installer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b1d81873643fdcec350b6bf1d1d7e1d19edbc33> / Bug 6205 : Fix for not found doc-head file when installing in another language <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw
10:14 jenkins_koha        Starting build 199 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:15 rangi               new test build built
10:15 pastebot0           "magnuse" at pasted "Extra patches do not apply on Galen's branch (bug 5579)" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/17
10:15 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
10:15 rangi               [off] http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-
10:16 rangi               hmm looks like unless gmcharlt has time to look at it, its going to miss 3.4.0
10:17 magnuse             too bad... :-(
10:17 magnuse             o/
10:18 rangi               ahh looks to me like those 2 patches were against the old branch
10:19 rangi               not galens revised one
10:19 Cybermon            hello kt_lunch
10:19 rangi               and that the sign off was done on the old ones, again not on the revised one
10:19 * magnuse           is confused
10:20 magnuse             ...and hungry
10:23 rangi               or its missing one
10:24 hdl                 rangi: on 1300 items,
10:24 rangi               yes im asking what is slow
10:24 hdl                 detail display speed is not increased.
10:24 rangi               right
10:25 rangi               i wouldnt expect it to be
10:25 Cybermon            rangi: how are you
10:25 hdl                 I had done some work for detail display to limit items to 30.
10:25 rangi               yep thats still a useful feature, of course its not going to make 3.4.0
10:26 hdl                 But for some reason gmcharlt has not taken it.
10:26 rangi               but i dont think that should stop us putting in 5579 if magnuse can get it to work
10:27 Cybermon            hi kf
10:28 kf                  hdl: I believe there is a syspref
10:28 kf                  for how many items are displayed
10:28 kf                  I translated something... in the pref file
10:29 rangi               what i really need now, is someone to be able to apply the patches cleanly
10:29 rangi               the rest is just distraction
10:30 Cybermon            kf: i have this log:  zebrasrv(1) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) for  koha-zebraqueue-output.log, what does mean ?
10:31 kf                  yes...
10:31 kf                  3.2.x?
10:31 Cybermon            3.2.7
10:31 kf                  yes...
10:31 Cybermon            for ubuntu 10.10
10:31 kf                  it's a mistake
10:31 kf                  you can ignore the warns
10:31 Cybermon            good
10:31 kf                  this feature should not be in 3.2.7
10:31 kf                  I think the index sneaked in incompletely with some other change
10:32 kf                  it's working only in 3.4
10:32 rangi               magnuse: the unified patch applies for me
10:32 Cybermon            good job.
10:33 magnuse             rangi: it does? cool!
10:33 magnuse             rangi: on master or galens branch?
10:34 rangi               master
10:34 * magnuse           is still a little confused...
10:34 rangi               im pushing it
10:34 magnuse             yay!
10:34 rangi               to new/enh/bug_5579
10:34 rangi               so you can test and say if it works
10:34 rangi               and if it does ill merge it
10:34 magnuse             ok, will do
10:34 rangi               pushed up now
10:36 magnuse             ...and pulled down
10:36 rangi               :)
10:40 rangi               kf: i think the translation script is much better now
10:40 kf                  cool!
10:40 kf                  go to bed! ;)
10:40 * rangi             has a meeting tomorrow morning
10:40 rangi               but if people want to do a test install (paul already has thanks paul)
10:40 rangi               [off] http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-
10:41 kf                  rangi: before you go - have you seen my comment on the bug for stocknumber?
10:41 rangi               any testing is appreciated (paul found one bug and ive fixed it)
10:41 rangi               nope whats the bug number?
10:41 kf                  bub 5860
10:41 kf                  bug
10:42 kf                  chris_n found the problem - it's in 3.2.x and master now :(
10:42 kf                  my databases where I tested it were not old enough to run into the problem
10:43 rangi               ah its just a warn
10:43 rangi               but yeah cleaning it up would be good
10:43 kf                  hm not really
10:43 kf                  if your database is old enough - the unique index thing remains
10:43 kf                  so you still have the problem that your item will not save the stocknumber :(
10:44 kf                  I could do another one doing it for the other index name - but people would always get a red error message because one of those is failing
10:45 rangi               you can test if that index exists
10:45 rangi               remove it if it does
10:45 rangi               and create the right one
10:45 kf                  chris_n told me that too... but when he started posting perl links I got lost
10:46 kf                  we only have examples for columns in updatedatabase, not for indexes
10:49 rangi               ALTER IGNORE TABLE
10:49 rangi               easy peasy
10:49 kf                  !
10:49 AmitG               heya kf ;)
10:49 kf                  hi AmitG :)
10:49 kf                  what will that do?
10:51 kf                  hm, I will try it
10:51 kf                  thx rangi
10:51 rangi               that will ignore it if doesnt exist
10:53 rangi               at least thats what i think, ill test
10:54 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #199: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/199/
10:54 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 6205 : Fix for not found doc-head file when installing in another language
10:54 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 6205 : Further fix for installer
10:54 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6205 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, doc-head-open.inc not found.
10:54 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 6205 : Fix for the installer, falling back to english
10:56 rangi               otherwise we have to do it the longer way
10:57 rangi               SHOW INDEX FROM items WHERE KEY_NAME = 'itemsstocknumberidx'
10:57 conan               hi all
10:58 kf                  hm!
10:58 kf                  ok
11:00 rangi               so this is what is there now
11:00 rangi               https://gist.github.com/927131
11:00 rangi               so to be clear
11:00 rangi               the problem is, some people have itemstocknumberidx ?
11:01 rangi               im trying to understand what the problem is
11:02 kf                  some people have it with one and others with 2 s
11:02 kf                  itemsstocknumberidx and itemstocknumberidx
11:02 rangi               who are the ones that have it with one s?
11:02 rangi               new installs?
11:02 kf                  sec
11:03 rangi               because all old installs will have 2 s
11:03 kf                  new installs have 1
11:03 rangi               yeah
11:03 kf                  updated 2
11:03 rangi               so new installs arent getting changed with your updatedatabase
11:04 kf                  let me check my updatedatabase before answering that
11:04 kf                  I had tested with a new install... so old installs should not get it
11:04 rangi               i just pasted it
11:04 rangi               it does it for 2 s
11:04 rangi               so only changes old ones
11:04 kf                  $dbh->do("ALTER TABLE `items` DROP INDEX `itemsstocknumberidx`;")
11:04 rangi               yes
11:04 rangi               old ones
11:05 rangi               brand new ones of course dont run that
11:05 rangi               if if the problem was
11:05 kf                  uh, now i am confused
11:06 rangi               well you dont run the updatedatabase if its new
11:06 kf                  no
11:06 rangi               it just uses kohastructure.sql
11:06 kf                  ok
11:06 kf                  I think we have to say it differently: a database that got items.stocknumber by update
11:06 rangi               will be fine
11:06 rangi               because that update makes the one with 2 s
11:07 kf                  right
11:07 kf                  ok
11:07 kf                  a newer database, new installed 3.2
11:07 kf                  or 3.2.x will get an error message
11:08 rangi               yep
11:08 rangi               so what you want to do is
11:08 kf                  and nothing will be changed so the problem remain
11:08 kf                  s
11:08 rangi               ill rewrite it in the gist page 2 secs
11:09 kf                  thx chris and sorry for keeping you awake
11:11 rangi               https://gist.github.com/927131
11:12 kf                  cool!
11:12 kf                  ok, copying and will try to send a patch a bit later today
11:12 rangi               cool
11:12 kf                  what happens to the old updatedatabase? it will cause warns
11:12 rangi               id change it
11:13 rangi               rather than making a new one
11:13 kf                  hm
11:13 rangi               otherwise its just going to through errors
11:13 kf                  but say someone is running from master - it will not update for them and correct the mistake
11:13 rangi               serves them right for running unreleased code
11:13 rangi               it would only be someone who updated in the last week
11:14 rangi               after i told people not to for production
11:14 rangi               i think leaving it there and annoying everyone
11:14 rangi               is worse than fixing it, and annoying only a few people
11:15 rangi               unless you want to edit, and add a new one
11:15 rangi               then it will do it twice for almost everyone
11:15 kf                  I will follow your advice
11:15 rangi               but fix anyone who upgrade in the last week
11:16 kf                  I think the only other way to do it is like you say - doing it twice for those where it already worked
11:16 kf                  like having 2 blocks of that code
11:16 rangi               yep
11:17 kf                  change the old one so that it produces no errors and add a new one at the end for everyone in between
11:17 wahanui             kf: that doesn't look right
11:17 rangi               yep
11:17 kf                  wahanui: forget that
11:17 wahanui             kf: I forgot that
11:17 kf                  ok. and you recomment only changing the old one?
11:17 rangi               id be fine with that
11:17 rangi               the thing with creating an index on items
11:18 rangi               it can take a long long time
11:18 rangi               if you have lots of items
11:18 rangi               and it was only pushed to master on the 4th
11:19 rangi               so there should be very few people running it, if there are, if they are brave enough to run an unstable branch in production they should be paying attention :-)
11:19 kf                  hm ok
11:19 kf                  that's about master
11:19 kf                  but chris_n put it in 3.2.x
11:19 rangi               it shouldnt even be in 3.2.x
11:19 kf                  I think before he released it
11:19 rangi               because its a new feature
11:19 kf                  hm no
11:19 kf                  the field was there already
11:20 kf                  so the bug - failing silently if you try to save a duplicate existed there too
11:20 rangi               ah right
11:20 rangi               well chris can decide what he wants for 3.2.
11:20 rangi               x
11:20 kf                  for unimarc too
11:20 kf                  ok
11:20 kf                  thx rangi
11:20 kf                  rangi++
11:21 rangi               ok have a demo first thing tomorrow time to sleep
11:21 rangi               please if people have time, test the install
11:21 paul_p              good night rangi
11:21 conan               which install?
11:21 conan               master?
11:21 wahanui             master is now running from template::toolkit
11:22 rangi               [off] http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-
11:22 rangi               trying to keep it out of the logs, ill be doing a few test tarballs over the next couple of days, this a new one with a bug that paul found fixed
11:22 rangi               and now im going to sleep
11:23 paul_p              rangi, will test this afternoon agains & will report
11:23 rangi               thanks paul_p
11:24 kf                  uh
11:24 kf                  good night rangi
11:24 kf                  can someone test searching a system parameter?
11:25 kf                  I get all results doubled up
11:33 magnuse             kf: seems ok for me
11:33 kf                  hmpf
11:33 kf                  seems it's my installation then :(
11:36 kf                  hm strange - works now
11:36 kf                  deleted all old template directories
11:37 AmitG               heya jwagner
11:38 jwagner             Hi AmitG
11:38 magnuse             huh? i'm testing bug 5579 and when i try to delete an item i get Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at ...C4/Biblio.pm line 2081 - and when i try it on current master i get the same error, on line 2097. anyone else seeing that?
11:38 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
11:41 magnuse             both lines look like this: MARCFIELD: foreach my $field ( $record->fields() ) {
12:02 ebegin              I do have a nice challenge for all ;)
12:02 JesseM              Good Morning #Koha
12:02 ebegin              Parsing a marc record, I have one case where I have the cost ($22.50) in the 020$c subfield
12:03 conan               JesseM: hi
12:03 JesseM              Hi conan
12:03 ebegin              Which makes it a little complicated to parse...     020    $a978-2-915018-53-0 :$c$22.50
12:04 conan               ebegin: what are you looking for? a regexp?
12:05 ebegin              that would be great :) however, any hint about how to differenciate a cost from a $2 subfiled would be appreciated :)
12:07 conan               ebegin: if the only thing you're insterested on that line is to extract the price, then I think this one should do it:
12:08 conan               ebegin: /.*\$c(\$\d+(\.\d+)?)/
12:08 conan               and your price will end up in $1
12:09 conan               ebegin: test it like: echo '020    $a978-2-915018-53-0 :$c$22.50' | perl -wn -e '/.*\$c(\$\d+(\.\d+)?)/; print $1'
12:10 ebegin              conan, thanks, however, I would like to extract each subfield (ex $a $c) and their corresponding value.
12:10 conan               ah!
12:10 conan               that's another question then ;)
12:10 NateC               Morning #koha!
12:10 kf                  morning NateC
12:10 conan               NateC: hi :)
12:10 NateC               Hiya kf and conan!
12:10 conan               ebegin: you can follow the same principle I used to extract your price
12:11 conan               ebegin: just wrap around parenthesis the fields you want, escape $ and put ? on optional stuff
12:11 ebegin              conan, the problem I see is how to differenciate a $2 subfield from a $2 (at begining of a price)
12:11 conan               ebegin: that line you put is a complete row?
12:12 conan               hum...
12:12 ebegin              conan I'll give you a possible example, hold on
12:12 conan               you said the price is in the $c field, right? so if there is a $c field, then next it will be a price, or not?
12:12 Cybermon            how can i check the crontab is working ?
12:17 kf                  bug 6208
12:17 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6208 blocker, P1, ---, henridamien, NEW, Not possible to add funds to budgets
12:18 ebegin              conan, the $c was an example, we can have a $ in any data.
12:19 conan               ebegin: then you must rephrase your question:
12:20 conan               │09:04:32              ebegin | Parsing a marc record, I have one case where I have the cost ($22.50) in the 020$c subfield
12:20 conan               but now you're telling me that you can have prices on any subfield
12:20 conan               if I'm following correctly
12:21 conan               please, give the complicated example, so I can understand better and help you
12:21 conan               the one that can cause confusion
12:34 jcamins             Good morning, #koha.
12:35 conan               jcamins: hi there
12:35 wahanui             what's up, conan
12:35 conan               what's wrong with the bot?
12:35 conan               tcohen: just the person I was waiting for
12:35 tcohen              hi #koha
12:36 conan               tcohen: I just finish an install with branch checked out to 5166
12:36 conan               tcohen: good morning
12:36 conan               tcohen: what now? what should I test?
12:36 tcohen              oh, that sounds great, will you test on that?
12:36 conan               yes, but don't know where to start
12:37 conan               so far it installed ok, there's only a merge conflict with updatedatabase.pl
12:44 kf                  hi jcamins
12:54 jcamins             kf: did you salvage your refrigerator?
12:54 jcamins             Or at least the contents?
12:54 kf                  jcamins: it still freezes things - but my landlord was there and will probably order a new one today
12:55 kf                  we tried unfreezing it tonight, but it has not worked
12:57 kf                  and of course... this happens shortly before the easter holidays
12:58 kf                  someone int he mood for fixing my newest pet bug?
12:58 kf                  bug 6208
12:58 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6208 blocker, P1, ---, henridamien, NEW, Not possible to add funds to budgets
12:59 oleonard            kf, that sounds like it's the same as a bug nengard was talking about yesterday
12:59 oleonard            Bug 6200
13:00 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6200 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, can't edit funds
13:00 chris_n             kf: please submit whatever patch you make for your updatedatabase issue for 3.2.x as well
13:00 * chris_n           browses the buffer
13:00 kf                  yes, only a variation - I searched for add fund - just found it
13:01 kf                  nengard filed for edit funds
13:01 kf                  chris_n: will do
13:01 kf                  at least I don't have to deal with the templates :)
13:01 chris_n             :-)
13:02 chris_n             yup, that's going to be a show-stopper for 3.2.x in very short order, me thinks
13:02 chris_n             many bugs are being fixed with only tt patches
13:03 oleonard            The template-toolkit migration really puts the nail in the  coffin of all those old Harley features too, for better or worse
13:03 chris_n             true
13:04 chris_n             brainstorm: we need a script that compares the patches list archive with the git log of the current master to check for lost kittens
13:05 kf                  hm hard to do
13:05 kf                  for me :)
13:05 kf                  I wonder about the signed-off patches and the discussions happening on the list
13:16 oleonard            kf: ?
13:16 kf                  chris_n's question
13:16 gmcharlt            kf: wouldn't be too hard to deal with; it's possible to  distinguish patches and the discussion of them pretty accurate
13:17 kf                  gmcharlt: I think you are right
13:21 oleonard            What's this all about? aqbudgets.pl: Use of uninitialized value $number in numeric comparison (<=>) at /usr/share/perl5/Number/Format.pm line 790
13:28 chris_n             $number is undef
13:28 chris_n             generally harmless, but could indicate problems elsewhere if $number should have been set by then
13:29 chris_n             on the lighter side, it could mean that you're trying to exceed your aq budget.... :-)
13:30 gmcharlt            blowing up to save your budget? ;)
13:31 hdl_lunch           chris_n++
13:31 hdl                 (wow... lunch has been over for me for a while...)
13:32 chris_n             long_lunches++ // assuming the food is good
13:36 hdl                 chris_n: I thought that we could create patch branches on server quite automatically with a mutt process and send message when not appliable but never got to that point. That way, we could parse all the not merged branches and rebase quite regularly those branches and send emails for conflicts... But once again, need some work.
13:36 wizzyrea            i love mutt.
13:36 wizzyrea            < a bit of a shell script junkie
13:47 chris_n             hdl: it might also be desirable to automatically prune topic branches once merged
13:47 * chris_n           wonders how mutt and patches would get along together
13:48 rhcl                "Mutt and Patches" sounds like the title of a children's book
13:48 hdl                 well chris_n: I think so too... But this might not be really the nicest thing to cope with lost kittens.
13:49 rhcl                I am so confused
13:49 rhcl                I need breakfast
13:49 chris_n             are you thinking a branch per bug then?
13:49 rhcl                brb...
13:50 * chris_n           passes rhcl coffee and donuts
13:50 rhcl                rhcl_brb
13:50 chris_n             hdl: maybe branches could be pruned as bugs are marked closed
13:51 chris_n             some bugzilla/git hook
13:54 * chris_n           wanders off to consult with the oracle at #git
13:54 gmcharlt            chris_n: I don't think topic branches should be pruned automatically
13:55 gmcharlt            after a bug has been marked closed, some may still need to revisit it
13:55 chris_n             perhaps a 'git mv' then to push it off to an archival location
13:55 gmcharlt            if pruning is needed - and I'm not convinced it actually is - it could be done periodically after a few months have elapsed
13:56 gmcharlt            git mv? that's for files
13:59 hdl                 maybe we could have pushed/branchname like we have qa/branchname
13:59 hdl                 But that is another story.
14:00 hdl                 gmcharlt: if the branch is reprocessed some times after it was merged, then it may be based on master rather than on the initial branch... Since edits can conflict on other pushed patches.
14:01 gmcharlt            hdl: well, presumably somebody working on it would be aware enough to merge in master first
14:03 wizzyrea            hm, no kiwis about? I know it's godawful early.
14:03 * wizzyrea          saves that question for later.
14:06 chris_n             gmcharlt: sorry 'git branch -m'
14:08 chris_n             branches should be named in such away to generally indicate their status imho
14:08 gmcharlt            that's what the bug tracker is for
14:10 rhcl                wizzyrea: our Tech Services people are going to Mid-Continent on Thursday; may talk about Koha and RDA (as separate topics)
14:10 wizzyrea            neat
14:11 wizzyrea            rhcl are you going to kudoscon?
14:11 rhcl                yea yea, just need to do my paperwork. Thats on the menu for today.
14:11 wizzyrea            doo eet
14:11 wizzyrea            doo eet nao
14:12 rhcl                I've been putting that and the grant request for ALA off
14:15 sekjal              should we be indexing patrons like we do biblios and authorities?
14:16 jcamins             sekjal: with Zebra?
14:16 sekjal              jcamins: yeah
14:16 sekjal              create XML records of patron info, then index
14:17 jcamins             I don't know, but why aren't 035 fields indexed?
14:17 sekjal              probably completely impractical to consider at this time, with limited return on investment
14:21 gmcharlt            sekjal: are you mostly looking for a general keyword search of all patron fields?
14:22 gmcharlt            if so, a quicker way to do it might be to create a borrower_keywords table that gets populated whenever a patron record gets created or updated
14:22 sekjal              gmcharlt:  hmmm, that could work
14:23 sekjal              mostly, I want an exact match on cardnumber to return the record directly, in any patron search in Koha
14:23 sekjal              if not an exact match on cardnumber, then check for exact matches on any unique identifier Extended Attributes
14:23 sekjal              return patron page if exact match is found, otherwise, search against as subset of borrowers table fields
14:24 sekjal              and make that subset syspref-controlled
14:25 sekjal              I suppose I'd like to see the borrowers table stripped down, and most of the data put into Extended Attributes (or something similar with more semantic connections)
14:30 hdl                 sekjal: this problem was supposed to be (maybe confusedly and awkwardly) assigned with SQLHelper, hoping that DBIx::Class shift could help improving the whole stuff.
14:31 hdl                 But with DEBUG=1 you have the SQL generated and the params passed.
14:33 sekjal              right now, we've got two search subroutines for borrowers:  Search() and SearchMember()
14:33 sekjal              Search() seems to be the more complex, using SQLHelper and searching on Extended attributes
14:33 sekjal              but SearchMember() is more widely used
14:34 chris_n             yay! pdf labels complete with hindi type
14:34 jcamins             Does anyone understand matching rules?
14:34 wizzyrea            chris_n++
14:35 sekjal              jcamins: almost
14:35 sekjal              enough to know it's a brilliant idea that needs some interface enhancements to make it more user friendly
14:36 jcamins             sekjal: okay, does it use Zebra?
14:36 sekjal              jcamins: to allow matching on non-mapped MARC fields?
14:37 jcamins             Right.
14:37 jcamins             I think it does.
14:37 sekjal              jcamins: I think that's the plan, though I can't say for sure it actually does; never read the code
14:37 jcamins             It uses SimpleSearch.
14:43 wizzyrea            hdl, did you tell me that biblibre had code for the patron detail multiple return?
14:43 wizzyrea            that helped with transits/reserves
14:43 hdl                 yes.
14:43 wizzyrea            which test environs of yours is that in?
14:44 hdl                 test environs ?
14:44 wizzyrea            didn't you have test installs set up for your varying projects after kohacon?
14:45 hdl                 jcamins: and enough to know it is a pain to debug when you are using web interface.
14:45 hdl                 wizzyrea: borrowers34 iirc.
14:45 wizzyrea            aha ty
14:46 * oleonard          hands wizzyrea her cherry-picking boots
14:46 wizzyrea            you hand me those, and I'll be asking you for help so get ready. :P
14:46 mib_deo1wa          hi koha friends :)
14:46 wizzyrea            hi
14:47 hdl                 jcamins: and yes it uses zebra
14:51 mib_deo1wa          My name is Vitor Fernandes... I've used sometimes this IRC channel... Yesterday i've been here to ask if is possible to block one patron to reserve books that are checked out to him, and after come coding I got a solution (which is not the perfect but it's the possible one)
14:51 wizzyrea            version control using git?
14:51 wahanui             well, version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:53 wizzyrea            mib_deo1wa: in case you wanted to try and submit your work to the project :)
14:53 mib_deo1wa          but I've no time to configure that... I'm too busy
14:54 mib_deo1wa          can I send to someone to commit it?
14:55 kf                  mib: if you have a koha with customizations you really want to take the time to configuret hat
14:55 wizzyrea            kf++ #good advice
14:55 wizzyrea            it will save you hours and hours in the long run
14:55 kf                  yes
14:56 wizzyrea            plus you'll be set up to commit your own changes
14:56 wizzyrea            and get your name in the koha history if it's accepted. :)
14:57 mib_deo1wa          maybe later :) first i've to close the project for the librarian i'm working...
14:58 mib_deo1wa          you can peek the opac here http://iscte.koha.keep.pt... it's not a pré-production server
14:58 mib_deo1wa          http://iscte.koha.keep.pt
14:58 wizzyrea            very pretty :)
14:59 mib_deo1wa          can you guys help me with one thing?
15:00 mib_deo1wa          when saving a record in the cataloging menu if i put a random value in the subfield 100$a i'm getting this error
15:01 mib_deo1wa          Unsupported UNIMARC character encoding [] for XML output for UNIMARC; 100$a -> 2013 at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/XML.pm line 505.
15:01 mib_deo1wa          i'm using UNIMARC installation, koha 3.2.6
15:01 paul_p              hi mib_deo1wa
15:01 paul_p              I can help you. You're in UNIMARC right ?
15:01 mib_deo1wa          yes...
15:01 paul_p              the encoding is in the MARC 100$a field
15:02 paul_p              it's supposed to be 01, 03 or 50, or a combination of those values
15:02 paul_p              like 0103 or 5050
15:02 paul_p              2013 is wrong, Koha complains : he don't know what to do
15:02 paul_p              it means your record is wrong
15:03 paul_p              on the right of the 100$a, you should have ...
15:03 paul_p              click on it, it opens a popup that will help you fill the field
15:04 mib_deo1wa          ok it has to be filled by that popup?
15:04 paul_p              "it has" no. If you know how to fill it, you can. But it's *much* easier with the plugin !
15:04 chris_n             ouch... bug in Delhi Public library's koha install
15:04 chris_n   
15:04 mib_deo1wa          ok thanks paul for the help
15:05 paul_p              if you retrieve record from a z3950 source (like bnf), it will be filled for you
15:05 paul_p              mib_deo1wa, your welcome
15:05 mib_deo1wa          :)
15:06 mib_deo1wa          now back to work.... many things to close
15:06 mib_deo1wa          thank you people for all the help
15:07 oleonard            chris_n: Bug 6040?
15:07 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6040 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, opac-export.pl can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record
15:08 chris_n             oleonard: the record exports ok as unicode/utf8, just not as non-Unicode/MARC-8
15:08 chris_n             not sure if that qualifies under that bug or not
15:08 oleonard            chris_n: I randomly changed the bib number to something else and didn't get the error so I thought it might be something to do with that record.
15:10 chris_n             k, tnx
15:11 oleonard            nengard: Re: Bug 5685, did you try the first attached patch? The obsoleted one? The follow-up patch looks like it needs the first to work.
15:11 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5685 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Validation of email address field
15:12 nengard             oleonard, I tried the non-obsolete patch
15:12 nengard             the only one that was visible by default
15:13 nengard             so you're saying the 'obsolete' one isn't obsolete?
15:13 oleonard            Try each of them in succession. Looks like obsoleting the first one was a mistake.
15:16 nengard             oleonard - they apply - but they don't stop me from entering something other than an email address
15:17 oleonard            Thanks for trying it. I haven't tried it myself but it caught my eye so I was checking out the bug repot
15:18 nengard             oleonard did you get my email about the recent comments/
15:18 nengard             ?
15:19 oleonard            Let me check
15:20 oleonard            Yeah... So here's the status
15:20 oleonard            The patch was pushed, the feature is there
15:20 oleonard            But it's not linked to from anywhere
15:20 nengard             hmm
15:20 oleonard            /cgi-bin/koha/opac-showreviews.pl
15:21 oleonard            I wasn't sure if it should go in the list of links along with Advanced Search, Tag Cloud, etc. or what
15:21 nengard             that makes sense
15:21 oleonard            Makes sense to put it there?
15:21 nengard             yes
15:22 nengard             but if that won't make it into 3.4 I can at least put that info in the manual - of where to find the page
15:22 nengard             also, how many recent comments does it show?
15:24 oleonard            It will handle multiple pages, let me check what the per-page number is
15:24 oleonard            It should obey OPACnumSearchResults
15:25 tcohen              anyone has a quick link to blockers for 3.4.0?
15:25 nengard             will it obey the new preference to control showing patron names on comments?
15:26 oleonard            I don't know
15:26 nengard             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=4425&bug_severity=blocker&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=rel_3_4&version=unspecified
15:26 kf                  tcohen: linking to bugzilla is a bit tricky
15:26 kf                  oh
15:26 nengard             :)
15:26 kf                  yes, I treid a saved search earlier and that didn#t work :)
15:26 kf                  sorry
15:26 kf                  was confused
15:27 tcohen              thanks nengard,kf
15:27 oleonard            nengard: It doesn't look like opac-showreviews.tt was changed to obey the new pref
15:27 oleonard            I'll submit a patch
15:28 nengard             k
15:28 kf                  nengard: if you tried saving it?
15:28 kf                  nengard: i sat next to mark when he programmed the email validation
15:28 nengard             saving what?
15:28 nengard             oh
15:28 kf                  the patron record with a wrong email address
15:28 nengard             yes, i tried to save teh patron and it let me do so
15:28 nengard             on FF4 on Mac
15:28 kf                  ah
15:28 nengard             and the email address was something like "odjflksjdfsk"
15:28 nengard             :)
15:29 kf                  it should show up a message similar to those in the sys pred editor
15:29 kf                  at least i saw it worked - thought it was really cool!
15:31 oleonard            kf: The patch nengard is testing just has an alert()
15:31 oleonard            I wonder what you saw?
15:31 kf                  hm
15:31 kf                  he was using a mac
15:32 kf                  perhaps it just looked different form my alersts
15:32 oleonard            I think that was it
15:32 kf                  yep
15:32 kf                  probably, looked a bit fancier and came from the top of the screen?
15:33 oleonard            Yeah, that's a Mac-style alert
15:34 nengard             oleonard - manual updated with new info on recent comments page
15:37 nengard             wizzyrea I updated the patron permissions image to be more accurate :)
15:44 oleonard            nengard: The email address validation is working for me
15:44 nengard             k
15:44 nengard             so it's FF4?
15:44 oleonard            I don't know. I'll test it in FF4 to make sure.
15:44 nengard             k
15:45 oleonard            It doesn't recognize one valid format I know of, "username+customfilter@gmail.com"
15:45 oleonard            ( http://www.divergentstudio.com/georgeswonderblog/2008/0705/technology/computers-and-computer-related/email/custom-gmail-email-address-spam-and-filtering/ )
15:46 jcamins             It should allow for mailbox specification.
15:46 jcamins             + is completely valid.
15:47 oleonard            See also: http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx
15:48 oleonard            No way, FF4 has per-tab js alerts now? That's a nice reason to upgrade.
15:48 kf                  never seen someone use that  - could it be added to the regex?
15:48 oleonard            nengard: Works for me in FF4, maybe it was a glitch in your testing branch
15:48 nengard             good
15:48 nengard             glad it works
15:50 oleonard            We should probably work to standardize our js validation: http://bassistance.de/jquery-plugins/jquery-plugin-validation/
15:50 kf                  ok, time to leave
15:50 kf                  bye all
15:55 chris_n             final nws tornado count for the weekend storm: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/rah/news/content/20110416.tornado.gif
15:56 oleonard            Wow
15:58 chris_n             epidemic
15:58 jcamins             Wow!
15:59 chris_n             I'm hiding there next to the second longest EF3 path 8-O
16:13 oleonard            Bug 6209
16:13 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation
16:13 jcamins             oleonard++
16:14 oleonard            Something to put on the pile right next to the jqueryUI project :|
16:15 jcamins             That will fix the check_form_borrowers problem.
16:19 slef                Hi all. How did that dropbox invite spam get onto the koha list?
16:20 sekjal              bulk import of contacts list?
16:23 slef                sekjal: yeah, but it appeared to be from a dropbox address not the user's own
16:24 jcamins             Could someone please test linking authorities on Master? When I tried linking an authority which had two subfield 'p's, the second one didn't show up at all.
16:24 jcamins             Not even "O.T.|John" the way it used to.
16:33 oleonard            jcamins or sekjal: Who wants to hear about the latest holds mystery in our production system?
16:34 oleonard            Nobody's blinking. I'll just ramble on:
16:35 oleonard            I've gotten lots of reports of holds going to the wrong place
16:35 jcamins             Where are they going?
16:35 oleonard            I was just investigating the latest example, and something looks suspicious
16:35 oleonard            Holds being transferred to the wrong branch, I mean.
16:36 jcamins             Yeah, I mean, are they all going to the same branch?
16:37 oleonard            No.
16:37 oleonard            I'm looking at one record (biblionumber 233722), and it has three copies which are in transit
16:37 oleonard            One is going to ALB, one to GPL, one to NPL
16:37 cait                hi #koha
16:38 jcamins             Weird.
16:38 oleonard            The three patrons for which they are being transferred are also patrons of ALB, GPL, and NPL, but the copies allocated for each are not going to their branch
16:38 oleonard            So the ALB patron's copy is going to GPL, for instance
16:39 oleonard            Could be coincidence, but not given the reports I've gotten of this problem
16:39 jcamins             I think we've seen this issue elsewhere, too.
16:39 jcamins             There was a bug...
16:39 * jcamins           looks
16:40 chris_n             should I expect to be able to download a marc record from another koha installation and then use bulkmarcimport to slurp it up into another installation assuming a compatible branchcode?
16:43 jcamins             chris_n: I would think.
16:43 * chris_n           can't seem to coerce his sandbox to accept this hindi marc record
16:44 cait                chris_n: I use stages marc import a lot
16:44 cait                chris_n: but I send myself the records via the cart
16:44 chris_n             cait: thanks, but the same error occurs there as well :P
16:45 cait                ah :(
16:45 jcamins             chris_n: try exporting as MARC-8?
16:47 chris_n             these records refuse to export as MARC-8
16:47 cait                oleonard: I like the idea of using jquery for validating forms!
16:47 chris_n             crazy problem
16:47 cait                will probably not work for all the things we have to check for, but would make things easier I guess
16:47 jcamins             oleonard: I think that was fixed with bug 6004.
16:47 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box
16:48 cait                chris_n: marc 8 probably has not the hindi characters?
16:48 jcamins             chris_n: export as MARCXML?
16:48 chris_n             probably so; I'm guessing there may be an encoding issue here somewhere I'm not seeing
16:48 cait                do you need it for labels testing?
16:48 chris_n             jcamins: tried, same error
16:48 chris_n             I'll post the error here
16:48 chris_n             cait: yes
16:49 cait                hm
16:49 cait                we have hebrew, but it's all in the 880 fields
16:49 cait                probably not very helpful then
16:50 chris_n             cait: hebrew titles/authors would help
16:50 chris_n             .DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Field 'marcxml' doesn't have a default value at /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels//C4/Biblio.pm line 3120, <GEN12> line 1.
16:50 jcamins             o.O
16:50 oleonard            jcamins: Really? That patch doesn't just deal with message display?
16:50 cait                chris_n: the data is all in 880 fields - I can show you one though
16:50 * chris_n           really did not want to get into slogging through Biblio.pm today
16:51 chris_n             cait: k
16:51 cait                https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=30613
16:51 jcamins             oleonard: I think that patch just corrects the transfer logic so books get sent to the right place.
16:52 chris_n             cait: ahh.. titles are transliterated into latin chars
16:52 cait                yep - original scripts are in 880
16:53 cait                but some of the transliterations have some nice diacritics
16:53 cait                https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=30695
16:53 oleonard            jcamins: Strange that the symptom described in Bug 6004 has been happening with us for quite a while but this transfer location problem hasn't
16:53 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box
16:54 jcamins             oleonard: oh, hm.
16:54 jcamins             Very strange indeed.
16:57 chris_n             cait: tnx, I'll grab one of those for my test cases too
17:36 jcamins             novels_about_knitting++
17:40 cait                hm, I would have expected novels_about_cooking - but knitting?
17:41 * jcamins           was looking at the record for a novel about knitting, and found it very amusing.
17:42 jcamins             Bug 5805
17:42 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5805 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, RESOLVED FIXED, Changing Pickup library on already queued holds causes havoc on all holds below it
17:59 library_systems_guy ok so I just stepped in and the other person that is working on koha with me is doing marc imports.  So she tells me that she has staged the records fine but when she goes to import the progress never gets beyond 0
17:59 jcamins             Yeah, the indicator is broken.
17:59 jcamins             For really big files, at least.
17:59 library_systems_guy 5000 records?
17:59 library_systems_guy thats what she said she was doing
17:59 jcamins             Yeah, that's large enough that the indicator won't work.
18:00 jcamins             Just wait a bit, and the upload will complete without a problem.
18:00 library_systems_guy she said she waited several hours
18:00 library_systems_guy is that typical?
18:00 jcamins             No.
18:01 jcamins             I find if it doesn't work within 10 minutes, it's best to just use the command-line tools.
18:01 library_systems_guy so now when she tries to import smaller files (say 2000 or so) she gets the same thing
18:01 library_systems_guy ok
18:01 jcamins             Actually, I find it's always best to use the command line tools.
18:01 library_systems_guy thats what i recommend too
18:01 library_systems_guy but she hates using the command line
18:02 jcamins             She could split it up into, say, 500-record files and try those, but I think the command line is way less of a nuisance.
18:03 jcamins             Are you using VirtualBox, by the way?
18:03 library_systems_guy no, Hyper-V
18:06 library_systems_guy jcamins, why did you want to know?
18:08 jcamins             library_systems_guy: we had serious problems with that when we used VirtualBox.
18:10 library_systems_guy ahh ok
18:21 rangi               chris_n: around?
18:22 rangi               you found bug 6040 eh?
18:22 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6040 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED, opac-export.pl can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record
18:23 chris_n             yup
18:23 rangi               cool
18:24 chris_n             this occurs with every attempt to export in nonunicode regardless of any record I tried
18:24 chris_n             so I guess most of their records must have issues
18:25 chris_n             in any case, my koha refuses to import them :P
18:27 rangi               marclint
18:27 rangi               will tell you whats wrong with them
18:31 * chris_n           has been doing things like this today: http://img38.imageshack.us/f/hindilabel.png/
18:31 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5579] Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579>
18:33 rangi               magnus_away: working on 6207 now
18:34 cait                bug 6207
18:34 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6207 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't delete item
18:34 cait                hi rangi
18:34 cait                working on opac translation :)
18:41 library_systems_guy ok so I have a brain teaser.  When i run the dev install, I get an unblessed reference.  However when i run the standard install it works fine...
18:42 library_systems_guy looks like file permissions to me
18:42 library_systems_guy but everything seems to check out
18:43 rangi               cait: i cant remember did i push some more fixes?
18:43 cait                hm you told me in the morning it should work much better now
18:43 cait                and you fixed the comments
18:43 rangi               yes, but did i actually push any fixes
18:44 rangi               ?
18:44 * rangi             has lost track
18:44 jenkins_koha        Starting build 200 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:44 cait                you did push one thing for the commets
18:44 rangi               ah cool
18:44 cait                and the file looks indeed better
18:44 rangi               yay
18:44 * cait              sends rangi chocolate
18:44 cait                I am translating opac now - and will do more testing once I have it complete
18:45 cait                it's easier than to look up everything to check for fuzziness
18:45 rangi               translating on the updated file eh?
18:45 cait                yep
18:45 rangi               cool
18:45 rangi               if it works, load it into pootle :)
18:45 cait                poedit and my editor don't show the normarc stuff correctly
18:45 cait                but not sure it's the editor
18:45 cait                hm, that would be brave
18:46 cait                I have 2 people helping with translation now on pootle :)
18:46 jcamins             cait++ # for her bravery
18:46 cait                that's too early for karma
18:46 rangi               i guess worst is all their work becomes fuzzy
18:46 cait                I should give them a fair warn before doing something that drastic
18:47 cait                I still can't accept suggestions on pootle :(
18:47 rangi               weird
18:47 cait                fredericd: around?
18:47 cait                yep
18:47 cait                it used to work
18:48 rangi               cait: do you think the utf8 for the normarc might be mucked up in the .po file?
18:48 cait                I am really not sure :( geany is set up to show utf 8
18:48 rangi               is it showing the umlauts alright?
18:48 cait                let me check
18:48 rangi               (in the german text?)
18:48 cait                poedit does
18:49 rangi               right so i think the .po files is ok, that will do for now
18:49 rangi               anyone using normarc, will do it in norwegian anyway, so i wont spend time on that at the moment
18:50 jcamins             Have a nice seder, everyone!
18:50 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6207 : Template scoping error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dc948c6ba01f9315127d8e5de6c1902da61902d> / Adding another sponsoring library to the credits in the release notes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95cb8e2645f53170cb52cd0405bb5a996a58ec6b>
18:50 rangi               @later tell magnuse bug6207 should be fixed and merge into master and new/enh/bug_5579
18:50 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:50 rangi               ok im outta here until after meetings
18:50 cait                rangi: I agree
18:50 cait                rangi: I even copy the wrong looking strings ;)
18:55 gmcharlt            @later tell rangi new/enh/bug_5579 has my blessing for merging
18:55 huginn              gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:00 gmcharlt            @later tell rangi if you want a branch with my signoffs, pull from git://git.librarypolice.com/git/koha-galen.git bug5579-final
19:00 huginn              gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:00 cait                oleonard++
19:04 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5897] Hide name of reviewer / comment writer in OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5897>
19:09 cait                @later tell rangi it seems a lot of the fuzzy strings are only fuzzy because of an additional space at the end of the string
19:09 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
19:24 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #200: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/200/
19:24 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Adding another sponsoring library to the credits in the release notes
19:24 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 6207 : Template scoping error
19:24 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6207 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't delete item
19:39 rangi               cait: orly?
19:39 cait                meeting already over?
19:40 rangi               that should be fixable, trimming trailing space
19:40 cait                yes
19:40 rangi               naw on the bus
19:40 cait                ah
19:40 cait                yep, would perhaps kill a lot of the fuzzy stuff
19:43 cait                some strings are cut of because of a link inside the string  - but that's probably harder to fix. the space could be a win
19:43 rangi               ill have a look today if I get a chance
19:59 cait                rangi: I will do more testing - don't worry about it
20:00 rhcl                why is there a bird on rangi's head?  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chris_Cormack
20:00 wizzyrea            ^.6
20:01 rangi               heh
20:01 rangi               thats my hat
20:02 rhcl                a hat is supposed to protect you from environmental events, not cause them like that one might
20:03 rangi               that was at the markets the day before kohacon
20:03 wizzyrea            that bird kind of snapped at spud
20:03 wizzyrea            but he still likes parrots!
20:05 magnuse             rangi, cait: what's that about normarc? problem with strings from the xslt?
20:05 rangi               yeah not a biggy dont worry about it
20:05 cait                magnuse: I think the character enconding doesn't look right - but I think it will be no problem for your normarc files
20:05 rangi               it can wait til after 3.4.0
20:05 cait                it's only on the 'english site' of things
20:06 rangi               yeah
20:07 magnuse             ok, thanks, i'll worry about it later then
20:15 cait                don't worry :)
20:16 magnuse             be happy?
20:19 * magnuse           would be happy if i could spend all my work-time on koha... :-)
20:19 * wizzyrea          too
20:19 wizzyrea            (for srs)
20:19 magnuse             yay
20:20 * magnuse           wishes #koha a good time of the day
20:35 rangi               lol
20:35 rangi               irc in a cafe ftw
20:36 wizzyrea            :D
20:36 rangi               the nice waitress just gave me a piece of slice on the house
20:36 wizzyrea            nice!
20:36 rangi               'cos u look so busy'
20:36 wizzyrea            hehehehehehehe
20:36 rangi               busy talking ... thats me
20:37 wizzyrea            you are intently managing the imminent release of the worlds best open source library autmation system
20:37 wizzyrea            of course you deserve it
20:38 cait                what wizzyrea said :)
20:38 * cait              hums happily - only 100 strings missing now
20:38 wizzyrea            cait++
20:38 cait                for opac
20:42 rangi               yay
20:46 cait                rangi: my test pages look really good and completely translated now :)
20:46 rangi               yay
20:46 * rangi             munches slice happily
20:47 cait                :)
20:50 cait                small template issue - in my result list I always see the Tags: label, although I have not tags for that record
20:51 cait                and online Access doesn't show my url from the title, but I can see it in detail view
20:51 cait                but translation works :)
20:52 rangi               I bet u can fix that
20:52 rangi               they will be IF
20:52 rangi               with the wrong variable name
20:53 rangi               IF something.something when it should be IF something
20:53 rangi               or vice versa
20:58 bg                  rangi when you say slice - what do you mean - a slice of pizza?
20:58 rangi               ahh no
20:58 rangi               hmm how to explain
20:58 rangi               wizzyrea: help a brother out
20:59 rangi               its a genre of cake I guess?
20:59 wizzyrea            well, I think of it like lemon bars?
20:59 wizzyrea            something cakey, with a topping type stuff on it
20:59 rangi               this was raspberry slice
21:00 rangi               so had cakey stuff, they raspberry jam
21:00 wizzyrea            so like a cakey or crumb bottom, then a jam on top
21:00 wizzyrea            yea, similar to a lemon bar
21:00 rangi               more cakey stuff (almost shortbread)
21:00 wizzyrea            joann has some recipes on her blog
21:00 wizzyrea            un mo
21:00 rangi               then some icing
21:00 wizzyrea            lots of butter
21:00 bg                  yummy I think I'm going to go find a slice (we've got some lemon bars around here)
21:00 rangi               my fave is ginger slice
21:01 cait                rangi: I fear you are right
21:01 cait                but it's getting late :(
21:01 wizzyrea            http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2011/01/chocolate-fudge-slice.html
21:01 rangi               but chocolate and caramel is good too
21:01 cait                hm caramel
21:01 rangi               cait: ill have a look
21:01 rangi               ok meetings
21:01 wahanui             meetings are beginning of march or april
21:01 wizzyrea            http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2010/12/zucchini-slice.html
21:01 cait                rangi: I can take a look tomorrow
21:01 cait                don't worry, will file a bug
21:01 rangi               damn right they are
21:01 rangi               bbl
21:02 wizzyrea            http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2010/12/caramel-anzac-slice.html
21:02 cait                wahanui: forget meetings
21:02 wahanui             cait: I forgot meetings
21:02 wizzyrea            now that I've made you all hungry
21:02 wizzyrea            http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2010/11/lemon-coconut-slice.html
21:03 wizzyrea            that's all of jo's slices :P
21:03 wizzyrea            that she's posted so far
21:03 cait                and all sound very yummy
21:03 cait                and yes, you made me hungry!
21:05 wizzyrea            technically jo made you hungry :)
21:14 cait                hmpf.
21:35 sekjal              alright, one step closer to reconciling the two Member search routines into one
21:36 sekjal              with that, I depart
21:36 sekjal              goodnight, #koha!
21:51 cait                opac done!
22:30 druthb              o/
22:47 rhcl                r u on the night shift druthb?
22:48 druthb              that's a complex question, rhcl.  I'm on the Get-Things-Done shift, mostly.
22:49 gmcharlt            druthb: what does that make the morning shift? ;)
22:50 druthb              The Get-some-things-done shift.  ;-)
23:02 conan               anyone used gitorious before? I can't find how to tell git to tell ssh to use another identity file instead of ~/.ssh/id_rsa
23:05 conan               scratch that, I found it :)
23:28 rangi               back
23:42 conan               rangi: you awake at this time?
23:42 rangi               its 11.44am
23:42 rangi               i better be :)
23:42 conan               jojo
23:43 conan               I'm preparing with Kriegel a translation to spanish for the SQL scripts
23:44 conan               my initial idea was to just make a copy of whatever is under 'en' folder and work the files
23:44 rangi               thats what most people have done
23:44 conan               however he told me that when he brought up this idea here 'them' told him not to
23:45 rangi               but dont do the sysprefs
23:45 conan               that he needed to push a full translated subdir
23:45 rangi               yes when you want it merged
23:45 conan               hum... then Kriegel has missunderstood
23:45 rangi               it needs to be a copy of all the files
23:46 rangi               (copy the sysprefs but dont translate them, they are handled by the .pref files)
23:46 rangi               but the frameworks, sample notes ext
23:46 rangi               you can translate
23:46 rangi               so copy the whole en folder
23:46 conan               I'm asking this because of what this I had to make a git repo somewhere else for him and me to communicate, but I think it would be better to just have this under koha
23:46 rangi               then translate the files you want
23:47 rangi               yes, if a file is not translated, it needs to exist in the es/ dir
23:47 conan               ah, ok, but there will be no merge until it's done, right?
23:47 conan               so I need to host the repo somewhere else
23:47 rangi               but if its no translated it will show up in english
23:47 rangi               it can merge, its harmless
23:47 rangi               as long as it has all the files
23:47 rangi               they dont all need to be translated
23:47 rangi               if you see what im saying
23:47 conan               ok, so let me put it in another words right now:
23:48 rangi               it would just mean if someone did an install in es, and it wasnt all translated, theyd have some in es some in english
23:48 conan               can we make an es-ES subdir tonight which will be just a copy of 'en' and will it come in the next pull anybody does?
23:49 rangi               not in master at the moment no
23:49 rangi               because im releasing 3.4.0 on friday
23:49 conan               do we need to branch then?
23:49 rangi               and that would be just dangerous ;)
23:49 conan               of course
23:49 rangi               but after the release
23:49 rangi               then yes
23:49 rangi               it can go into master
23:49 conan               ah! cool
23:50 conan               I knew it couldn't be so complicated
23:50 rangi               and patches to translate files can be submitted to it
23:50 conan               I'll delete the gitorious repo then :)
23:50 rangi               its no harm having ur own repo
23:50 rangi               that tracks master
23:50 rangi               because then you can send a pull request
23:50 rangi               rather than patches
23:50 rangi               which is good for biggish files
23:51 conan               of course, but the thingy was to have something up online for him, me and anyone else to communicate
23:51 rangi               yeah, doesnt hurt to still do it in gitorious and just send pull requests as you complete files
23:51 rangi               its up to you though :)
23:55 Waylon              Hiya all!
23:56 rangi               hi Waylon
23:56 Waylon              jcamins_away: .. you still away?
23:56 Waylon              rangi: seems, according to my boss, author names arn't being sorted..
23:56 Waylon              arabic names.
23:57 rangi               i wouldnt know