Time  Nick                Message
23:07 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
23:07 jenkins_koha        Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
23:07 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_3.2.x build #19: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/19/
22:29 jenkins_koha        Starting build 19 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:24 cait                ok, I give up - bye all :)
22:20 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=520c1bb85ef937a0e95959cc63349789e5945390>
22:20 cait                :)
22:20 cait                hmpf.
22:11 space_librarian     you should. :)
22:10 cait                I should sleep
22:10 cait                and not easy to ship a nanny to nz... will have to find something else
22:09 cait                hm. not easy to get peanut butter here
22:08 space_librarian     possibly. Can't imagine why... :)
22:08 rangi               space_librarian: i think a nanny would work better :)
22:08 space_librarian     rangi: promise her a sari...
22:08 rangi               i promised i wouldnt be away from home as much this year
22:07 rangi               cait: its my wife you have to convince not me
22:07 * space_librarian   has already made plans to swap wine in India too... just needs to get there.
22:06 cait                if you go to India... there could be more chocolate... and french wine
22:06 rangi               :-)
22:06 rangi               he's always been a little odd
22:06 cait                hm... not slef, but everybody else
22:06 rangi               cos it was AWESOME
22:06 cait                and everybody likes chocolate
22:06 rangi               im glad
22:05 cait                I had no better idea
22:05 rangi               :)
22:05 rangi               that didnt last long ... impossible to save that
22:05 rangi               i dont have any of caits chocolate left
22:05 * space_librarian   can imagine the shenanigans
22:05 cait                :)
22:05 cait                I guessed that
22:05 rangi               came with paul_p and hdl ;)
22:04 space_librarian     she can come back... lol
22:04 cait                yep, I was
22:04 rangi               and thats when the wine arrived
22:04 rangi               space_librarian: she was here in october ;)
22:04 space_librarian     :p
22:04 space_librarian     cait: come to nz... we have good (French?!) wine!
22:04 * cait              mumbles something
22:02 space_librarian     :)
22:02 rangi               to celebrate the release, we might have to open them on thursday
22:02 rangi               ive been saving since kohacon10
22:01 * rangi             has 2 bottles of french red
22:01 * space_librarian   munches cookies throughtfully.... yum! thanks cait! :)
22:01 * space_librarian   wonders what she's got herself in for...
22:00 rangi               heh
22:00 * cait              sends space_librarian cookies
22:00 rangi               :)
22:00 rangi               well until i can make space_librarian do it for me
22:00 * cait              sends rangi coffee
22:00 cait                you are crazy
22:00 rangi               cait: just have to do some client work, but then i have about 10 patches to check and push, and then ill be on translation the rest of the day
21:59 cait                ?
21:59 rangi               etc
21:59 rangi               egad
21:59 space_librarian     bye!
21:59 cait                bye wizzyrea :)
21:59 rangi               lawd and larks
21:59 wizzyrea            l8r peeps
21:58 wizzyrea            oh lawd, time to go
21:58 rangi               cait: ill try
21:58 cait                rangi: if you can fix the problem, I could update the file and do a complete translation
21:58 wizzyrea            right, rosalie defined it as a Cheap, Cheerful Copy of Cx (and rangi adds that it's might asplode in your face)
21:57 space_librarian     lol
21:57 cait                and the explosive
21:57 rangi               im sticking to my its gonna asplode in my face story
21:57 cait                I thought it was something like for times better than something starting with C
21:57 wizzyrea            see also: explosive!
21:57 cait                hm
21:57 wizzyrea            ^.^
21:57 * space_librarian   now has the dance of the sugarplum fairy stuck in her head
21:57 wizzyrea            ta da!
21:57 rangi               that might be what they took it to mean
21:57 wizzyrea            C4
21:57 wizzyrea            4C
21:57 wizzyrea            rangi: Cheap, Cheerful, Copy of Cx
21:56 * cait              wonders if she has that music somewhere
21:56 * space_librarian   points cait in the direction of The Nutcracker
21:56 rangi               yup
21:56 rangi               yup
21:56 wizzyrea            ballet?
21:56 wizzyrea            oh what's that from... the nutcracker?
21:56 * space_librarian   thinks about fudge
21:56 cait                sugarplum fairies?
21:55 wizzyrea            dream of fudge and sugarplum fairies
21:55 space_librarian     :)
21:55 wizzyrea            go sleep things will magically occur while you're dreaming
21:55 rangi               and i hope to have it fixed for you by the time you wake up
21:55 cait                you start sounding like ruth
21:55 rangi               go to sleep
21:55 rangi               heh
21:54 cait                good to know that's not another localized problem
21:54 rangi               right thanks ill work on that
21:54 rangi               much too
21:54 rangi               or pretty mucn every language
21:54 rangi               or maori
21:54 rangi               yeah
21:54 cait                the probme is - that's not really translatable in german
21:54 rangi               ohhh
21:54 cait                a separate string
21:54 cait                there is a single The
21:53 rangi               i think somehow the The got parsed as part of the tag
21:52 rangi               the <p>
21:52 wahanui             cait: I forgot why
21:52 cait                wahanui forget why
21:52 rangi               i think
21:52 wahanui             so why is, like, it populated
21:52 cait                so why?
21:52 cait                hm
21:52 rangi               all one line
21:52 rangi               yeah no line break in that
21:52 cait                hm, no line break?
21:52 cait                with the The cut off
21:52 cait                the maintenance thing was a good one
21:51 rangi               yeah
21:51 cait                )
21:51 rangi               can you send me the filename of one where it is breaking the file?
21:51 cait                and the po file has things like
21:51 cait                because it makes translation a lto harder if the strings are cut into pieces
21:51 rangi               ill try :)
21:51 cait                and it would be great if you could fix the line breaks
21:51 rangi               yeah
21:51 cait                "$[% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.code %] [% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.value %]"
21:50 cait                some strings at the top of the file are a bit weird
21:50 cait                but it looks promising
21:50 cait                needs a little more testing
21:48 rangi               sound right?
21:47 rangi               and update pootle
21:47 rangi               update all the po files
21:47 rangi               is fix the spaces
21:47 rangi               ok, so i think what we need to do
21:47 rangi               yay
21:46 cait                looks good so far
21:44 cait                after updating the file today  and undoing the fuzzy.... it's German now!
21:44 cait                in the file from pootle the term was ok, but got not translated
21:44 cait                I updated lists from fuzzy
21:44 cait                cool
21:43 rangi               yep
21:43 cait                it's really slow
21:43 rangi               thanks
21:43 cait                I updated a few things
21:43 rangi               ahh cool
21:43 cait                running the install script at the moment
21:43 rangi               yeah
21:43 rangi               see what file its in and see what the full string is
21:43 cait                ah, probably one where the line breaking is a problem?
21:42 rangi               look at the comments
21:42 cait                hm?
21:41 rangi               cool, if you can check that out
21:41 cait                it's the published date on opac news
21:40 cait                (veröffentlicht am %s)
21:40 cait                was
21:40 cait                (published on
21:40 cait                one that's missing a placeholder
21:40 cait                ok
21:38 rangi               right
21:38 cait                it's only welcome in the po file
21:38 cait                Welcome,
21:38 rangi               hmm whats another one to test then
21:38 rangi               yay!
21:37 cait                the navigation is German for me
21:37 rangi               s'ok :)
21:37 cait                I am sorry :(
21:37 cait                it'sme
21:37 * rangi             stops having a heart attack
21:36 cait                ah stupid
21:35 rangi               its running .52?
21:35 rangi               but you have upgraded?
21:35 cait                what I mean is, I switched it on, I switched it off but it doesn't go away :(
21:34 cait                no
21:34 rangi               you can upgrade in the staff side?
21:34 cait                I can't leave opac maint
21:34 cait                new problem
21:34 cait                ok
21:33 rangi               ill look into the the issue too
21:33 rangi               yeah that one
21:32 cait                the link in the navigation? authoritiy search?
21:32 cait                subject search on the front page?
21:32 cait                german
21:32 cait                you know why cutting off the The is evil? because it can be der die or das in gemran
21:30 rangi               that seemed to not be translated
21:30 rangi               on the front page
21:30 rangi               the subject search
21:30 cait                will try to find some more nice strings for testing
21:30 rangi               could be
21:29 cait                perhaps the spaces are in the variables?
21:29 rangi               thanks
21:29 cait                ok
21:29 rangi               and ill work on the missing spaces
21:29 rangi               ok in that case, can you try making a few more unfuzzy and see if it makes them show up
21:29 rangi               right i wont do that
21:28 cait                I am not sure, but I think you will break the po fies
21:28 rangi               true
21:28 rangi               hmm ok
21:28 cait                because the place holders are moved around
21:28 cait                it should make them fuzzy
21:28 cait                hm
21:28 rangi               and we can test that
21:28 rangi               ill try to do a patch to stop it making them fuzzy
21:28 cait                yes
21:28 rangi               do you have 20 mins
21:28 cait                I thin because the strings are constructed differnetly
21:28 rangi               ok dont do that then
21:27 cait                yes
21:27 rangi               ?
21:27 rangi               right so the update is making them fuzzy
21:27 cait                I can try fixing the updated po file some more
21:27 cait                that's why I test with opac, intranet is too incomplete and confusing
21:27 cait                no
21:27 cait                not fuzzy strings
21:27 cait                I used my nice and completely translated files from pootle
21:27 rangi               so its just the missing spaces that are a problem now?
21:27 rangi               cait: before the update, was that string fuzzy or did updating make it fuzzy?
21:26 cait                The Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald  zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an denSite Administrator
21:26 cait                rangi: from the templates:
21:26 wizzyrea            the pressure! the pressure!
21:26 rangi               heh, not everything
21:26 * cait              believes rangi can fix everything :)
21:25 rangi               missing spaces i can fix too
21:25 cait                checking how it looks in opac now
21:25 cait                it's a bit irritating with the missing spaces
21:24 cait                this looks not too bad
21:24 cait                not sure about now, but it seems so :)
21:24 cait                when something was fuzzy it was not translated
21:24 cait                it cared in the past
21:24 cait                <p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %][% END %]Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den<a href="mailto:[% KohaAdminEmailAddress %]">Site Administrator</a></p>
21:24 rangi               but i might
21:23 rangi               im pretty sure it will do them if they are fuzzy or not
21:23 rangi               i dont think the translation script cares actually
21:23 rangi               i can regen all the files and put them somewhere for frederic to add, but we need to confirm changing from fuzzy works
21:23 rangi               yep
21:22 cait                yep, but if that's the reason we really have to figure things out and update pootle
21:22 cait                hehe
21:21 rangi               thats much easier to fix
21:21 * rangi             hopes so
21:21 rangi               i wonder if it might be just because we are making things fuzzy !
21:21 rangi               ok
21:21 cait                let me correct that in the po file and try again
21:21 cait                it#s fuzzy
21:20 cait                it can't
21:20 cait                oh
21:20 rangi               i suspect this is what is happening for most things
21:20 cait                not translated
21:20 cait                you are right
21:20 rangi               figure out why the the is not showing
21:20 rangi               if so, that gives me something to work on
21:19 rangi               its not showing as translated eh?
21:18 cait                evil
21:18 rangi               if you check line 24 in the de-DE maintenance.tt file
21:18 cait                ah
21:18 rangi               thats why its not matching
21:18 rangi               but the The is on another line
21:18 cait                makes sense
21:17 rangi               thats why the place holders
21:17 rangi               p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %]Koha Online
21:17 rangi               ill check and send afix for that (you can ignore them tho, they are comments so dont actually effect anything, just for debuggin)
21:16 rangi               i think i fixed that recently too
21:16 cait                lots of errors in there
21:15 cait                #: opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/maintenance.tt:24
21:15 cait                #. %3$s: ERROR
21:15 cait                #. %2$s: ERROR
21:15 cait                #. %1$s: ERROR
21:15 cait                hm
21:15 rangi               and see what happened
21:15 rangi               .tt files
21:15 rangi               and the de-DE ones
21:15 rangi               cos you can then see the line in the en ones
21:15 rangi               its helpful for testing like this
21:14 rangi               yep
21:14 rangi               or emacs
21:14 cait                they are part of the file, right? editor coming up
21:14 rangi               ahh just open it vim
21:14 cait                I don#t see the comments in po edit
21:14 rangi               it will tell you the line in the file its from
21:14 rangi               if you look at the comments above that
21:14 rangi               yep
21:14 cait                but once we are there we need to update the po files on pootle again
21:14 rangi               well it will mean more translating
21:14 cait                I think we can live with it working better than before
21:13 cait                hehe
21:13 cait                hm, itputs the name in front, right?
21:13 rangi               the trick i am having is making it exactly as broken as the old system :)
21:13 cait                I can accept that
21:13 cait                ok
21:13 rangi               thats one of the problems
21:13 rangi               its just the old one was wrong
21:13 rangi               no its right
21:12 cait                and it's too many placeholders
21:12 rangi               right
21:12 cait                it was one string before
21:12 cait                it cut off the email
21:12 cait                Der Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den <a1>Web-Administrator</a>
21:12 cait                the translation for it is:
21:12 cait                that don't make much sense to me
21:12 cait                that's a lot of placeholders
21:12 cait                %s%sKoha Online%s Catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the
21:12 cait                example
21:12 cait                it's still cutting of things
21:11 rangi               ahh right
21:11 cait                this is an old laptop
21:11 cait                still installing
21:11 rangi               well is the translation any better?
21:10 cait                before we didn't have placeholders -missing spaces are better hehe
21:10 rangi               yay
21:10 cait                better though :)
21:10 rangi               yeah
21:10 rangi               hmm
21:09 cait                missing spaces?
21:09 cait                Waiting%sOn hold%s for patron
21:09 cait                it looks a bit strange
21:07 cait                now installing
21:07 cait                update done, only 2 more warns in intranet
21:07 rangi               something like that anyway
21:07 rangi               'due to a few remaining glitches and the fact that most translators have not had time to update their translations, we recommend that people running in languages other than english delay their upgrade until 3.4.1'
21:06 rangi               i suspect that what i will say is
21:06 rangi               yeah
21:06 rangi               ah those are just warns
21:06 cait                I send a mail aksing for help to the mailing list - but I don't think I will be able to finish in time
21:06 rangi               yup
21:05 cait                spanish is catching up
21:04 rangi               http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/34/  <-- see
21:03 rangi               considering german is the only one that is even close to up to date anyway
21:03 cait                I have some errors for you in that paste
21:03 cait                I agree
21:03 rangi               i think waiting a month for 3.4.1 is the better of those 2
21:03 pastebot0           "cait" at 78.51.140.207 pasted "updating pootle files" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/13
21:02 rangi               thats the 2 options really
21:02 rangi               either that or remove template toolkit
21:01 cait                hm
21:00 rangi               if not, we will just have to recommend that people who run in other languages wait for 3.4.1
21:00 rangi               me too
20:59 cait                rangi: I hope we can get opac working
20:56 rangi               thanks
20:56 cait                will try
20:55 rangi               cait: probably wont work, but im out of ideas
20:55 rangi               cait: update po files
20:55 wizzyrea            ^^ what he said
20:54 rangi               its group, and the user apache is running as does need to be able to read the file
20:53 wizzyrea            er group - i may be high, just a sec
20:53 cait                rangi: update to master or update po files?
20:53 rangi               wizzyrea: its not owner
20:53 wizzyrea            I haven't ever had to set owner as www-data
20:53 cait                it still says welcome on top and click here , if you are not
20:53 wizzyrea            wait
20:52 cait                and the patron summary when you go into the account
20:52 cait                the button on opac
20:52 cait                a good example is lists
20:52 wizzyrea            hm
20:52 rangi               cait: bummer, so things that are in the .po file not showing up? how about if you update then install?
20:52 library_systems_guy im stumped
20:52 library_systems_guy hmm
20:52 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i thought
20:52 rangi               hmm that should be fine then
20:51 library_systems_guy drwxr-xr-x 4 koha www-data 4096 Apr 18 10:39 etc
20:51 cait                rangi: tried with files from pootle and new branch - it's a little better, but still a lot of things missing
20:50 rangi               on the dir?
20:50 library_systems_guy -rw-r--r-- 1 koha www-data 6460 Apr 18 10:39 koha-httpd.conf
20:46 rangi               check the permissions on the directory itself
20:46 rangi               if it cant read it, then im still picking permissions
20:45 library_systems_guy so i went into Context.pm and added a warn to see if the path to the environment was correct and it is
20:38 library_systems_guy so thats good
20:38 library_systems_guy yeah it is
20:38 rangi               if so, thats the right place
20:38 rangi               library_systems_guy: is that where you git checkout is ?
20:37 library_systems_guy well thats frustrating
20:37 library_systems_guy hmm
20:37 cait                looks normal to me
20:35 library_systems_guy is that normal for a dev install?
20:34 library_systems_guy perl5lib is set to /home/koha/kohaclone
20:34 library_systems_guy but
20:34 library_systems_guy i don't think that was it
20:33 library_systems_guy eek
20:33 rangi               yeah id do that, make sure its not world readable, its got passwords ! :)
20:33 library_systems_guy i can chgrp it just to be sure
20:32 library_systems_guy hmm
20:32 rangi               can www-data read it
20:32 rangi               and most importantly
20:32 library_systems_guy yes it is
20:32 rangi               and its right?
20:32 library_systems_guy correctly
20:32 library_systems_guy yeah i have that set
20:32 rangi               SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/blah/blah/koha-conf.xml"
20:31 rangi               in the koha-httpd.conf
20:31 wahanui             that is a risk you have to take... ;-)
20:31 library_systems_guy where is that?
20:31 rangi               the SetENV bit?
20:30 library_systems_guy anything else that I might be missing
20:30 library_systems_guy and it looks good
20:30 library_systems_guy so i verified the export directory
20:30 library_systems_guy so the Koha error log says it can't locate koha-conf.xml
20:27 wizzyrea            since it shows the days I think I'm going to go back and make it accurate
20:26 nengard             and impressive :)
20:26 nengard             cool
20:26 wizzyrea            that's what I intended :P
20:26 wizzyrea            http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases
20:26 wizzyrea            lol
20:26 wizzyrea            wrong
20:26 wizzyrea            ooo
20:26 wizzyrea            nengard: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/3007wfp/graphics/bottom2.gif
20:24 rangi               bbiab
20:24 rangi               ok my stop
20:23 rangi               that will tell you where they are
20:23 rangi               check the koha-httpd.conf
20:23 library_systems_guy err at all
20:22 library_systems_guy i don't see those logs yet
20:22 rangi               not the main one
20:22 rangi               might be in there
20:22 rangi               there should be a specific apache log for the opac, and staff side
20:21 library_systems_guy just wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything in apache
20:21 library_systems_guy not yet
20:21 rangi               cool, have u checked all the error logs?
20:21 library_systems_guy rangi, just made sure the db was up and running with koha db in.  looks good
20:20 wizzyrea            just now trying it out
20:20 wizzyrea            nengard: i found one, www.timetoast.com
20:20 nengard             wizzyrea ... not off the top of my head
20:17 library_systems_guy its a fresh install
20:17 library_systems_guy nothing
20:17 wizzyrea            what else have you got running on this box?
20:17 library_systems_guy but they are all for python o_0
20:17 library_systems_guy ive got nothing but nothing but notices
20:16 rangi               that it complains about the db
20:15 rangi               betting even
20:15 rangi               im better above that
20:15 rangi               check your apache error logs
20:15 library_systems_guy Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 680
20:14 library_systems_guy :'(
20:14 library_systems_guy but i got a software error this time
20:14 wizzyrea            yay!
20:14 library_systems_guy ok it let me in
20:13 wizzyrea            nengard: do you know of a good online tool for timelines?
20:13 rangi               that would do it
20:13 library_systems_guy i forgot the ports file
20:13 library_systems_guy oh wait
20:12 wizzyrea            well you still have to configure your virtualhosts and restart apache
20:12 SteveJ              I am glad to see that I am not the only one who always seems to encounter the unique problems.
20:12 rangi               if you go to http://staffsite/
20:12 library_systems_guy just a could not connect page
20:12 rangi               what comes up?
20:12 library_systems_guy I don't think its ever happened to anybody but me lol
20:11 rangi               hmm that has never happened to me
20:11 library_systems_guy I know i have to be doing something wrong
20:11 library_systems_guy so I generally have to go and add directory access to the opac and staff client in the koha.conf file
20:10 library_systems_guy ok so everytime i install koha and go to load the web installer the page never comes up
20:07 rangi               thanks
20:06 tcohen              haha, no prob, i just wrote her
20:05 rangi               so I thought who is smart, knows koha and spanish, and there you were :)
20:04 tcohen              i'll check my email
20:04 rangi               just came through
20:04 tcohen              uh, i didn't
20:03 rangi               they were hoping a spanish speaker might help them
20:03 rangi               ?
20:03 rangi               did you see the message on the mailing list from unesco in uruguay
20:03 tcohen              for a few minutes more i'll be here rangi
20:02 tcohen              yeap
20:02 rangi               tcohen: you around?
20:02 nengard             back
19:57 cait                wb rangi
19:57 cait                I always forget about tabbing
19:56 library_systems_guy wb rangi
19:56 rangi               back
19:54 library_systems_guy mmm salad
19:54 nengard             fruit salad time
19:54 nengard             brb
19:53 library_systems_guy cait, do you not have tabbing either?
19:53 nengard             hehe
19:53 library_systems_guy you dubbed me library_systems_guy
19:53 library_systems_guy its true
19:53 nengard             i named you after all :)
19:53 nengard             you can keep it
19:53 nengard             hehe
19:52 library_systems_guy but the name is sooo cool ;)
19:52 nengard             told you my chat client doesn't have that function
19:52 library_systems_guy I thought you were going to get tabbing?
19:52 nengard             hehe
19:52 cait                listen to nengard ;)
19:51 nengard             library_systems_guy i thought we talked about you shortening that username :)
19:49 library_systems_guy thinks wizzyrea is right
19:48 wizzyrea            dunno what others do
19:48 library_systems_guy alright thanks
19:47 wizzyrea            except for passwords, I usually leave it all default for dev
19:47 library_systems_guy ok...wasn't sure if i should change it to /usr/share
19:47 wizzyrea            I do normally, yes
19:47 library_systems_guy do you just leave the config directory on default on the dev install?
19:47 wizzyrea            nope. I'm working on my KUDOSCon presentation
19:46 library_systems_guy oh i thought you left
19:46 wizzyrea            silly wahanui
19:46 library_systems_guy lol
19:46 wizzyrea            yes?
19:46 wizzyrea            lol
19:46 wahanui             rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
19:46 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea
19:45 library_systems_guy just thought id say hey
19:45 wizzyrea            hi snail :)
19:45 library_systems_guy its kind of quiet in here today, and I'm kind of new
19:44 snail               hello library_systems_guy
19:44 library_systems_guy hi snail
19:23 gmcharlt            bon appetit
19:22 slef                I'm out to lunch^Wdinner :)
19:22 gmcharlt            slef: no, that's it
19:21 slef                ok, any more questions? :)
19:21 slef                gmcharlt: so, forward progress, but approach with care.
19:20 slef                gmcharlt: so could this make fixed-length sizes backwards-incompatible as soon as UTF-8 is present in one?
19:19 slef                gmcharlt: ah no, I'm wrong: "The default character set will be UTF-8"
19:19 wizzyrea            and forego the screencap
19:19 wizzyrea            or just list them out as clickable anchors
19:19 slef                gmcharlt: it looks like fixed-length fields are still ASCII
19:19 wizzyrea            instead of a monolith screencap?
19:18 wizzyrea            it would be a lot more work but maybe a cap of the section above each section?
19:18 gmcharlt            slef: sure - admittedly, a little strange for a format that has fixed-length fields to begin with, but it's not like SIP3 messages would be all that long to begin with
19:18 nengard             let me see how i can improve that screencap
19:17 slef                gmcharlt: which will mean implementers have to allow 4*characters bytes?
19:17 nengard             but I did define them all in the permissions defined section
19:17 wizzyrea            gotcha
19:17 nengard             that i didn't update because i can't fit them all on one screen :)
19:17 wizzyrea            it's a pretty epic list nowadays
19:17 wizzyrea            hmm the screencap is pretty out of date for the permissions
19:17 gmcharlt            slef: characters, hopefully, but good point
19:16 slef                gmcharlt: hrm, I bet no-one's clarified what the maximum lengths mean now
19:16 gmcharlt            slef: yay
19:16 wizzyrea            k ty
19:15 slef                gmcharlt: "Variable-length fields start with 2 field identifier characters, followed by     UTF-8    , and end with a | (hexadecimal 7C)."
19:15 nengard             if you see a missing one let me know
19:15 nengard             wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones
19:15 slef                gmcharlt: not during this call. Let me check what I can see of the docx
19:14 nengard             wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones
19:14 gmcharlt            slef: just one - was anything said about character sets?
19:14 slef                ok, I'm going to go get dinner now, unless anyone has any sip3 questions?
19:14 wizzyrea            the new permissions I mean
19:14 wizzyrea            nengard, in the 3.4 manual, the permissions are all there?
19:09 wizzyrea            "The LibreOffice escape from Oracle is a powerful demonstration of how open source forking can be used to protect community autonomy and lock out exploitative stakeholders."
19:09 gmcharlt            slef: haven't made much progress yes, but we're in good shape; PTFS-E has agreed to release theirs, and the number of LL-origin patches is small enough to cleanroom
19:09 huginn              wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #128 added.
19:09 wizzyrea            @quote add "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project"
19:09 oleonard            That sounds eerily familiar.
19:09 oleonard            "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project"
19:08 slef                gmcharlt: how's the unfork going? I've seen some emails on it, but not been watching closely. Are we SOL if PTFS won't release the liblime-developed patches?
19:08 huginn              wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #127 added.
19:08 wizzyrea            @quote add "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant"
19:08 oleonard            "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant"
19:07 slef                I think they've missed the boat and are tossing OOo into the water. Best chance it has is if it can merge into the boat before it drowns.
19:07 wizzyrea            that pic is pretty funny too
19:07 oleonard            There are some great quotes in that article
19:07 nengard             not sure how to take it
19:07 wizzyrea            I probably saw it from you
19:07 oleonard            http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars
19:07 nengard             wizzyrea i read that article
19:07 slef                http://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/ says it can.
19:06 wizzyrea            maybe it will unfork
19:06 wizzyrea            though there was some promising talk from them this weekend re: oracle giving it back to the community
19:06 nengard             yeah i need to switch, i just haven't gotten to it
19:06 * wizzyrea          doesn't keep open office around anymore
19:06 nengard             slef opeoffice can too
19:06 wizzyrea            I have the newest version, or one step back
19:06 gmcharlt            slef: agreed.  as far as what Koha should do, IMO, undo its OpenNCIP fork, then contribute patches to OpenNCIP as needed to become compliant with SIP3
19:05 wizzyrea            I believe libreoffice can
19:05 slef                Question for anyone: can recent openoffice or libreoffice open docx and if so what version?
19:04 slef                gmcharlt: so I'm not sure what koha should do about sip3. I think if we can get their jive-bs thing working, we could comment more time-efficiently there.
19:04 wizzyrea            hehe
19:04 wizzyrea            oh that's so rude.
19:04 nengard             they run back and forth on the fence out of his reach and watch him try to catch them
19:04 nengard             the squirrels in my yard tease Beau
19:04 wizzyrea            but they'll protect their nuts with a vicious fervor
19:04 gmcharlt            ... prone to hanging on my window screens, thereby teasing my cats mercilessly
19:03 wizzyrea            inventive, creative critters
19:03 slef                gmcharlt: I suggested replacing First Name and Last Name with Given Names and Surname, which seemed to be my sum total of useful contribution to that call.
19:03 wizzyrea            i mean squirrels are cute, fuzzy, curious
19:03 gmcharlt            slef: sounds reasonable
19:03 nengard             hehe
19:03 wizzyrea            which is not what I meant >.>
19:03 wizzyrea            but probably not in a nice way
19:03 nengard             wait-  wizzyre just said i was an attack squirrel
19:02 slef                nengard: it could be wors.e An ex-cow-orker compared me to a squirrel.
19:02 rangi               ok time to make the kids breakfast back from the bus later
19:02 nengard             i'm not sure how i feel about all this me as an animal talk
19:02 wizzyrea            which necessarily forces me to link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
19:01 rangi               back on of those into a corner and ull know about it
19:01 slef                gmcharlt: key changes today seemed to be adding "unsupported request" everywhere it could possibly go; and not allowing times to be omitted from timestamp fields.
19:01 rangi               badger
19:01 * wizzyrea          imagines nengard as a tiny tree frog, giggles
19:00 nengard             awwww
19:00 wizzyrea            poison dart frog maybe?
19:00 library_systems_guy wizzyrea, if only i had an attack squirrel that was as awesome as nengard
19:00 wizzyrea            I was trying to think of a little but mighty critter
19:00 slef                gmcharlt: well, it seems most of the 3M sip3 calls is taken up by stepping through suggested changes.
19:00 nengard             wizzyrea how was i supposed to take that ;) hehe
19:00 gmcharlt            how did it go?
19:00 wizzyrea            no I'm teasing
19:00 gmcharlt            slef: yes
19:00 wizzyrea            <3
18:59 wizzyrea            over the line?
18:59 wizzyrea            vicious like an attack squirrel?
18:59 nengard             well okay then :) hehe
18:59 library_systems_guy nengard: it was a compliment
18:59 slef                off the phone. gmcharlt around?
18:59 nengard             be careful library_systems_guy #koha doesn't handle people picking on me well :)
18:58 nengard             HEY!!
18:58 library_systems_guy slef: she is vicious
18:58 nengard             well .. i guess you have :)
18:58 nengard             I just meant that you've never seen me when Koha is being attacked
18:58 nengard             LOL
18:58 slef                nengard: pay my expenses :)
18:57 nengard             then again slef has never been to one of my trainings
18:57 wizzyrea            we love you both anyway ;)
18:57 cait                hehe
18:57 nengard             LOL - I do have to agree with slef
18:57 library_systems_guy much needed truth
18:57 slef                bah, nengard is a diplomat compared to me :)
18:57 library_systems_guy indeed she was
18:57 nengard             just speaking the truth
18:57 slef                tcohen: I think I got it from some university. mail me when I'm not in a meeting.
18:57 wizzyrea            nengard are you causing trouble again?
18:56 tcohen              :D
18:56 tcohen              slef: that sounds awesome
18:56 nengard             well the #koha community will tell you that I'm certainly not known for sitting back and not speaking up :)
18:56 slef                tcohen: I've some xsl somewhere which transforms marcxml to warnings and errors, or you can convert it back to marc21
18:56 nengard             oh boy
18:55 library_systems_guy nengard: haha well lets just say you are the talk of the library...you said the things i wish i could
18:55 tcohen              ?
18:55 tcohen              slef: is there a similar tool for marcxml
18:55 nengard             welcome back library_systems_guy - how are things after your meeting? people still mad at me? :)
18:54 slef                tcohen: it'll give you the basic problems.
18:54 jcamins             Happy passover, #koha
18:54 tcohen              fellows, is marclint a good way for checking marc data from koha's db?
18:53 jcamins             Whoops, time to get ready and head to seder.
18:53 library_systems_guy thanks
18:53 library_systems_guy andddd...i feel retarded lol
18:53 jcamins             Then run visudo and give your user permissions.
18:53 jcamins             library_systems_guy: just install sudo. apt-get install sudo
18:53 library_systems_guy hmm
18:52 slef                no, I use sudo!
18:52 library_systems_guy su root*
18:52 library_systems_guy do you just do so root?
18:52 library_systems_guy o_0
18:52 slef                library_systems_guy: I use it most days!
18:51 library_systems_guy realized there is no sudo command in debian
18:50 * slef              is in a sip3 call
18:30 cait                hm!
18:29 rangi               [off] heh
18:29 jcamins             [off] I can think of two of them.
18:29 cait                [off] rangi: there are 4 peope before SA)
18:29 rangi               [off]he's off being a publisher now, screwing libraries in a different way
18:29 cait                I know the paper
18:29 oleonard            [off] Stephen "Open source is for terrorists" Abram
18:28 jcamins             [off] Okay, maybe not *least* favorite, but he's up there
18:28 rangi               https://twitter.com/#!/ranginui/status/60047296536117248
18:28 rangi               naw, hes only 5th
18:28 jcamins             [off] Stephen Abram, former CEO of SirsiDynix, rangi's least favorite person in the world.
18:27 cait                [off]  SA?
18:27 jcamins             [off] Does I look like SA?
18:26 * cait              stops pouting
18:26 cait                lol
18:26 rangi               'With Koha, we won't even sue you if you change your mind"
18:25 rangi               i know im gonna be dining out on that in sales talks for months
18:25 rangi               when the publicity is, sirsi sues people?
18:25 jcamins             publicity == good
18:24 rangi               even 150k ... is it really worth the publicity?
18:24 tcohen              (from command line)
18:24 tcohen              s/valida/validate/
18:23 jcamins             Eww.
18:23 jcamins             MS Publisher.
18:23 rangi               says they move people slowly off it, to their 'webscale' thingy
18:23 tcohen              a tool to valida marcxml?
18:23 jcamins             What is a pub file?
18:23 rangi               cait: $20
18:23 * cait              pouts
18:22 rangi               quick add some more fields to 952
18:22 cait                BOND is a German company, it's THE system used in public libraries
18:22 cait                they do
18:22 rangi               :)
18:22 rangi               cait: they will never cope with all your localised german changes tho
18:22 cait                yeah, they do
18:21 cait                hmpf.
18:21 rangi               cait: they buy everything
18:21 cait                oclc
18:21 rangi               and cpc is the pawn in the middle
18:21 cait                have you seen they bought BOND?
18:21 rangi               who are no saints themselves
18:21 rangi               what it looks like to me is they are having a crack at oclc
18:21 chris_n             but it may be the old "sue and hope they settle instead of fight" line
18:20 rangi               chris_n: *nod*
18:20 rangi               now go away
18:20 rangi               that quote and contract
18:20 rangi               thats how much it cost you to draft
18:20 chris_n             ie you cannot bill services in advance
18:20 rangi               so the court here would probably say, what, you can have 5k
18:19 chris_n             rangi: in NC too, iirc
18:19 chris_n             consideration is typically money or tangibles
18:19 rangi               in nz, you do have to actually render services to get payment
18:19 rhcl                "After entering into the Master Agreement with SirsiDynix, CPC Regional "
18:19 cait                probably a long complicated contract
18:19 rangi               yes they signed, and under us law that might be valid
18:19 rangi               probably a condition in the contract that says, you pay us this no matter what
18:19 rhcl                let me re-read, but didn't CPC sign?
18:18 chris_n             I'm still curious as to what consideration binds the contract if said company did nothing other than quote and sign
18:18 rangi               then yes, you almost deserve it
18:17 oleonard            But they're so big they must be good, right? Everyone else is doing it!
18:17 rangi               if you sign a contract that says you have to pay some 150k whether you use their software or not
18:17 rangi               they should never have signed with a stupid evil company
18:17 library_systems_guy i suffered injuries using Sirsi Symphony...can i sue
18:17 rangi               yes bad planning
18:16 * chris_n           wonders what consideration was actually rendered in this context
18:16 rhcl                bad planning on CPC's part too, methinks.
18:16 oleonard            I suffered injuries and damages in the amount of 56 million dollars when I didn't win that much in the lottery.
18:16 library_systems_guy thats a lot of cash
18:16 library_systems_guy jesus
18:16 rangi               even tho they never implemented it
18:16 rangi               As a direct consequence of CPC Regional’s breach of this covenant, SirsiDynix has suffered injuries and damages in the amount of $146,844.80.
18:15 rangi               cos it was a binding contract
18:14 rangi               sd still want the 150k
18:13 rangi               chose it, changed their minds
18:13 rangi               they probably have a legal case
18:13 jcamins             Did they sue a library for not choosing their software?
18:12 rangi               you know you are screwed
18:12 rangi               once you start suing libraries
18:12 rangi               it'll do this for about 10 more years
18:12 rangi               the death throes of a stuffed business
18:11 nengard             oh for crying out loud
18:11 rangi               http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15617
18:11 rangi               stay classy sirsi dynix
18:04 jcamins             Of course, the only thing that matters is that the new tests pass in Master, so it's not critical to apply the second first.
18:01 jcamins             then apply the first follow-up patch to fix it (and rerun the test).
18:01 jcamins             perl t/db_dependent/Biblio.t), to confirm the incorrect behavior exists, and
18:01 jcamins             (from my comment on the bug report: For testing it may be better to apply the second follow-up patch first (and run
18:00 nengard             k
17:59 rangi               jcamins: i was gonna ignore him too until his last email
17:57 jcamins             That's the one you signed off on. I found it in my e-mail.
17:57 jcamins             Yep.
17:57 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5859 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Can't set character encoding with stage MARC records
17:57 jcamins             In that case you signed off on bug 5859.
17:57 jcamins             Run the test in the second patch.
17:57 nengard             nope ... i have no idea how to test that
17:56 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records
17:56 jcamins             nengard: did you sign off on bug 5683?
17:56 jcamins             Yeah, I've decided not to try and help.
17:56 cait                rangi: thank you
17:55 rangi               cait spends time helping him out, and he uses it as an opportunity to just whine more
17:55 nengard             oh okay
17:55 rangi               koha-devel list
17:55 nengard             guy?
17:53 rangi               wow that guy is annoying
17:46 chris_n             nengard: git reset --hard HEAD also
17:41 nengard             patches signed off
17:41 nengard             but i started again and it worked
17:41 nengard             don't know what the errors were about
17:41 jcamins             nengard: yay!
17:40 nengard             jcamins it's working
17:39 jcamins             If I do that, I get the same message you did.
17:39 jcamins             nengard: did you run both git rebase --abort _and_ git am --abort?
17:39 cait                *?
17:39 cait                on which branch are you on
17:39 nengard             seems to be okay .. let me try
17:39 nengard             wait
17:38 nengard             my list of branches
17:38 cait                nengard: what does a git branch give you?
17:38 jcamins             Mine is working fine after that.
17:37 jcamins             Hm.
17:37 nengard             anyone else ... cause now things are really borked
17:37 jcamins             Let me try and replicate what you did.
17:36 jcamins             I'm out of ideas. --abort usually works for me.
17:36 nengard             that's not promising
17:35 jcamins             Hm.
17:35 nengard             Resolve operation not in progress, we are not resuming.
17:35 nengard             nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git am --abort
17:35 jcamins             git am --abort, sorry
17:34 jcamins             git rebase --abort
17:34 jcamins             Hm.
17:34 nengard             previous rebase directory /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given.
17:34 nengard             cat: /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply/next: No such file or directory
17:34 nengard             it didn't like that
17:34 nengard             um
17:34 nengard             thanks
17:34 nengard             oh cool
17:34 jcamins             Hit Ctrl-C and try again.
17:33 jcamins             It's waiting for you to type in the patch by hand.
17:33 nengard             and it seems to be hanging
17:32 nengard             ooops ... what happens if you type 'git am -3 -i -u' without the name of the patch ... i hit enter too soon
17:24 chris_n             not a fix of the problem by any stretch
17:24 chris_n             this is definitely only a way around an ungraceful death
17:24 cait                hehe
17:23 * chris_n           creates his own encoding issue by adding some hindi as well as misc diacriticals to some titles
17:16 jcamins             nengard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&sharer_id=1
17:16 nengard_lunch       i forget where the link is
17:16 jcamins             Works fine for me.
17:15 nengard_lunch       can someone point me to the list of patches that need sign off
17:15 nengard_lunch       hey looks like things aren't loading on this page: http://koha-community.org/get-involved/
17:09 oleonard            I've got 99 problems but label utf8 encoding issues ain't one.
17:05 * chris_n           looks for someone with label utf8 encoding issues to test a patch
17:01 * jcamins           likes to have bacon omelets for breakfast every so often.
17:00 jcamins             Ah.
17:00 oleonard            The alternative I'm experiencing is not cooking enough bacon.
16:59 jcamins             oleonard: the alternative is collecting jars to put it in so you can throw it away, where it does no one any good.
16:57 * oleonard          considers the positive benefits of needing a lot of bacon grease to be left over
16:56 wizzyrea            hrm
16:56 wizzyrea            ...I just realized I'm not connected to freenode.
16:55 jcamins             And shortening really makes for *much* fluffier biscuits than butter.
16:55 wizzyrea            :)
16:55 jcamins             Why waste it, right?
16:54 wizzyrea            hahahahahaha... I can't even... that's so awesome.
16:54 jcamins             Actually, there's one other customization to the recipe: instead of using butter I use shortening from bacon.
16:53 wizzyrea            they are righteous gut bombs, but yummy.
16:53 jcamins             Shari really likes Red Lobster biscuits.
16:53 jcamins             I've never actually had the Red Lobster biscuits, but that's why I make them.
16:53 jcamins             Yup.
16:52 wizzyrea            like the red lobster ones but spicier
16:52 wizzyrea            ok yes, that sounds like the best biscuit ever
16:52 jcamins             Joy of cooking buttermilk biscuits + 1 c. shredded cheddar + oregano, garlic powder, and red pepper flakes to taste = happy jcamins
16:50 cait                nengard: probably not :(
16:50 cait                oooh!
16:49 wizzyrea            NOM
16:49 jcamins             cheddar_oregano_buttermilk_biscuits++
16:38 nengard             I'm not getting it work
16:38 nengard             has anyone tested the OPACMySummaryHTML preference since switching to TT?
16:36 wizzyrea            :)
16:36 Brooke_             me feels the <3, excepting from flying Frenchmen.
16:35 wizzyrea            hi brooke!
16:35 cait                Brooke_++ for being right
16:35 cait                and hi Brooke
16:35 cait                hae a nice evening
16:34 cait                bye hdl
16:34 Brooke_             cheers hdl
16:34 Brooke_             *gasp*
16:33 hdl                 have a nice day folks.
16:33 hdl                 hi Brooke_ you're scaring me away ;)
16:33 jcamins             No, I don't think he's on IRC.
16:33 huginn              gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
16:33 gmcharlt            @later tell NCAR yes
16:33 wizzyrea            :)
16:33 wizzyrea            no clue
16:33 wizzyrea            ohh
16:32 cait                not paul_p - the one from the mailing list
16:32 hdl                 cait: ?
16:32 * cait              feels totally misunderstood
16:32 wizzyrea            he left just a few minutes ago I think
16:32 cait                probably not
16:32 cait                is Paul around here?
16:32 chris_n             and I think I'm on to a fix for some of the "wide character" errors
16:31 cait                Myshkin++
16:31 chris_n             but the problem seems to be exacerbated by PDF::Reuse
16:31 cait                I misunderstood labels
16:31 jcamins             Probably the latter.
16:31 cait                ah
16:31 jcamins             Or possibly Myshkin chasing it.
16:31 chris_n             cait: the pdf standard does not handle utf8 well
16:31 jcamins             ^^ that was the bug
16:31 jcamins             Rrwawrr!
16:30 cait                chris_n: utf-8 encoding monster bug??
16:30 cait                mystery solved ;)
16:29 jcamins             No cnsort.
16:29 jcamins             Yup. Mystery solved.
16:28 jcamins             Actually, I'm not sure if the mystery was solved.
16:28 NCAR                is Galen around today?
16:27 jcamins             Mystery solved.
16:27 jcamins             s/s$//
16:27 NCAR                howdy
16:27 wizzyrea            wb NCAR
16:27 jcamins             Oh, weird.s
16:27 nengard             hehe
16:27 wizzyrea            though I don't remember what it is :P
16:26 wizzyrea            nengard: that seems like something I would do, but I imagine that if I didn't change the phone numbers it was because there was a compelling argument not to
16:26 jcamins             Ooh, I bet that's it.
16:25 oleonard            jcamins: Check the new "shelfbrowseruses*" prefs?
16:25 * chris_n           is on to squashing a bit more of the utf8 labels encoding monster bug
16:24 nengard             hey - what patch changed the email labels to primary and secondary - and why didn't it fix the phone labels as well?
16:22 jcamins             Actually, it's 001.9 to whatever.
16:22 jcamins             http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=37189&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=38901#shelfbrowser and http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=38878&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=40605#shelfbrowser
16:21 wizzyrea            !
16:21 jcamins             So it also skips from 003 to 280.
16:20 jcamins             What's really odd is it seems to do this for *all* books.
16:20 jcamins             Seem to be.
16:20 wizzyrea            that does seem odd. Books in between cataloged correctly?
16:19 jcamins             It's skipping from 003 to 300 (for example), but there are records with call numbers in between.
16:18 jcamins             Hm, no, I'm getting... odd... results with browse shelf.
16:18 library_systems_guy amazon ftw
16:18 nengard             that i didn't know about cause i don't use google jackets :)
16:18 huginn              04Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled
16:18 wizzyrea            also this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138
16:17 cait                thought that was fixed
16:17 library_systems_guy yeah that one
16:17 nengard             there is one where if you scroll to the next list... yeah that one
16:17 wizzyrea            this one jcamins?
16:17 huginn              04Bug 5500: major, P5, ---, pianohacker, NEW, shelf browse changing bib record
16:17 wizzyrea            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5500
16:17 wizzyrea            what was the bug?
16:17 library_systems_guy yeah in our meeting
16:17 nengard             i did?
16:16 library_systems_guy I think nengard mentioned something about that bug jcamins
16:16 cait                hi library_systems_guy
16:16 library_systems_guy hi cait
16:15 cait                hi #koha
16:14 jcamins             Does anyone remember a recent browse shelf bug?
16:14 chris_n             [off] have coffee and donuts?
16:12 wizzyrea            [off] and now I'm completely derailed... what was I planning to do before that abysmal meeting?
16:09 * wizzyrea          goes to check the logs...
16:08 library_systems_guy lol exactly
16:08 wizzyrea            best way to spend time ever!
16:08 wizzyrea            [off] boring as usual :P
16:08 library_systems_guy how was your meeting wizzyrea
16:06 wizzyrea            :D
15:56 library_systems_guy Well that meeting went way better than I thought
15:28 kf                  but it's time to go home - bye all
15:27 kf                  a lot of public libraries use BOND around here.
15:26 kf                  http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/2011/201121.htm !
15:24 kf                  and sorry for causing confusion
15:24 kf                  ok
15:23 nengard             I don't need a new file, I have it all working
15:23 nengard             kf no problem at all!!
15:23 kf                  can send you the right file if you want to?
15:23 kf                  nengard: I am sorry
15:20 kf                  I really send you the wrong file :(
15:20 kf                  oh
15:20 nengard             at least now i understand enough to write the manual
15:20 nengard             and that finds no results, but if I change it to just the number it works
15:19 nengard             w Record control number (DE-600)1360045-x
15:19 nengard             w Record control number (DE-576)057735654
15:19 nengard             t Title FIZ Technik / Maschinenbau
15:19 nengard             a Main entry heading Fachinformationszentrum Technik / s
15:19 nengard             i Display text Forts.
15:19 nengard             785 00 - SUCCEEDING ENTRY
15:19 kf                  the symbol should be in 003 but not in parentheses in front of the $w
15:18 kf                  or i send you the wrong files
15:18 kf                  not in the $w subfields
15:18 kf                  hm, don't think so
15:17 nengard             kf in the samples you gave me you have the symbol in there
15:16 jcamins             Yeah, it should just be $w12345
15:16 nengard             and YrSymbol in the 003
15:15 nengard             you have $w(YrSymbol)12345  in the notes
15:15 jcamins             No symbol.
15:15 nengard             k
15:15 jcamins             nengard: no.
15:15 nengard             jcamins - does the 78x field need the symbol before the control number?
15:13 slef                (3M only give meeting times in some random US abbreviation not -xxxx format)
15:13 gmcharlt            slef: oy
15:12 slef                gmcharlt: it seems that the 3M SIP 3.0 discussion is 3h later today. I only noticed that after wondering why I was still the first participant there even after discovering that one of my phones can't access their teleconference system.
15:06 kf                  I can imagine your todo list is as long or longer than mine
15:06 nengard             sorry i forgot about that
15:06 nengard             you are right
15:05 kf                  for the usecontrolnumber thing
15:05 kf                  :)
15:05 kf                  and I sent you sample records
15:05 kf                  we don#t even have states
15:05 kf                  I think you could write a script to do some of it - but someone else should figure that out
15:05 nengard             thanks
15:05 nengard             i just forgot about
15:05 nengard             I have taht saved on my computer
15:05 nengard             jcamins - OH YES YOU DID!!
15:04 jcamins             nengard: I explained UseControlNumber in librarian English. Just not layperson English. :P
15:04 kf                  and I can confirm
15:04 kf                  sorry, bad english, but you understand
15:04 nengard             was just confirming
15:04 nengard             that i figured
15:04 kf                  no, nothing in the data will change in data for the new state field
15:04 nengard             that's where i'm stuck
15:04 nengard             i'm looking for librarian english explanations ;) not developer explanations
15:04 kf                  I hope
15:04 nengard             so you can help me? :)
15:04 nengard             oooo
15:03 kf                  2 of them are regarding developments I did :)
15:03 kf                  nengard: reading your list of questions on the mailing list
14:59 library_systems_guy calling it...fashionably late
14:57 wizzyrea            walked in and only 2 people there, walked out again. :P
14:57 wizzyrea            not quite yet on the staff meeting
14:57 wizzyrea            ^^ also a good reason
14:57 library_systems_guy good point mtj
14:56 mtj                 thats why i run debian
14:56 mtj                 there's many more Koha devs running debian that ubuntu, so you get better help from them
14:56 wizzyrea            < staff meeting
14:56 library_systems_guy not that you guys have to stop talking lol
14:55 library_systems_guy fair warning
14:55 library_systems_guy people starting to arrive at meeting
14:54 library_systems_guy so debain doesn't seem like a bad option
14:54 library_systems_guy there is some other software that doesn't work with ubuntu but works on debian that the university uses
14:53 library_systems_guy and i agree
14:53 library_systems_guy it seemed to work ok
14:53 wizzyrea            it's basically debian
14:53 wizzyrea            ubuntu is fine really
14:53 wizzyrea            I can't think of anything else though
14:53 wizzyrea            them as*
14:53 library_systems_guy fair enough
14:53 wizzyrea            debian has more of them packages
14:52 wizzyrea            dependency packaging
14:52 library_systems_guy what is its shortcoming?
14:52 jcamins             anything_not_debian_or_ubuntu--
14:52 jcamins             Ubuntu is okay.
14:52 library_systems_guy i think
14:52 library_systems_guy after this meeting
14:51 library_systems_guy but im about to try a debian install
14:51 library_systems_guy heh ok...well i had it on ubuntu
14:51 jcamins             anything_not_debian--
14:51 wizzyrea            (if you have to)
14:51 wizzyrea            (or ubuntu)
14:51 jcamins             Definitely Debian.
14:51 wizzyrea            debian
14:51 jcamins             Debian!
14:51 library_systems_guy what OS do you guys use to run koha? any preference?
14:50 wizzyrea            heh
14:49 library_systems_guy too bad I can't put you guys on conference on the meeting :P
14:48 library_systems_guy in about 10 mins
14:48 wizzyrea            I think he's in the meeting now ;)
14:47 library_systems_guy its about to start
14:47 library_systems_guy no
14:47 jcamins             library_systems_guy: that was your meeting?
14:45 library_systems_guy back :)
14:44 kf                  using display none
14:44 kf                  not sure if you can do it by css... perhaps you can
14:44 kf                  jquery would be javascript
14:41 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot nicole
14:41 wizzyrea            wahanui: forget nicole
14:41 library_systems_guy headed up...be back soon
14:40 mib_pockr6          ok... thanks... it has to be hardcoded or by CSS right?
14:40 kf                  there is no permission about that (sadly) but you could hide it
14:39 kf                  jquery
14:39 mib_pockr6          guys another questions (reserves is a "bug" of Koha)... it is possible to remove the option to forgive fines in the circulation? (because the librarians can use it as they want it, which is a problem)
14:38 wahanui             it has been said that nicole is not, though.
14:38 library_systems_guy NICOLE!!!
14:37 nengard             then we can answer questions
14:37 nengard             I had #koha open while training, why not during a meeting?
14:36 nengard             :)
14:35 library_systems_guy psh whatever meetings are no fun with pants
14:34 library_systems_guy yeah guys no crazy-ness in the irc
14:34 oleonard            You gotta warn us so we can put on pants
14:34 library_systems_guy haha
14:34 wizzyrea            (but I usually warn them)
14:34 wizzyrea            I've done that
14:34 wizzyrea            :)
14:33 wizzyrea            !
14:33 library_systems_guy oh man that'd be awesome...I could put you guys on the projector
14:33 wizzyrea            you can bring us with you!
14:32 library_systems_guy I'll be back later, have a koha implementation meeting...joy
14:31 wizzyrea            sign off on patches?
14:30 wizzyrea            sign of on patches is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
14:30 wizzyrea            sign off on patches?
14:30 wahanui             i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:30 wizzyrea            version control using git?
14:30 wizzyrea            version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:30 kf                  the only thing you have to do is choose dev instead of standard when you install koha
14:30 wizzyrea            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:30 wizzyrea            version control using git?
14:29 library_systems_guy is that install process in the doc anywhere?
14:29 kf                  yep
14:29 jcamins             Yeah.
14:29 library_systems_guy is doing a dev install stable for production?
14:28 library_systems_guy then just path everything from there
14:28 library_systems_guy ok
14:28 wizzyrea            ^^
14:28 jcamins             If you're using git, do a dev install.
14:27 library_systems_guy oh man that sucks
14:27 sekjal              library_systems_guy:  you'd need to rerun make
14:26 library_systems_guy how do the new template files get into the cgi-bin?
14:26 library_systems_guy and If i did a standard install to /var/share/koha and i did the checkout from /home/koha/kohaclone
14:25 library_systems_guy So I was thinking about my Git issue that I was having when Nicole was here last week
14:25 library_systems_guy should rename it troll bot
14:25 library_systems_guy oops i forgot that was the bot
14:25 wizzyrea            there you are
14:25 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot library_systems_guy
14:25 wizzyrea            silly bot
14:24 wizzyrea            wahanui: forget library_systems_guy
14:24 library_systems_guy must be monday
14:24 library_systems_guy man i can't type
14:24 library_systems_guy mumbling*
14:23 library_systems_guy i was mumblink
14:22 nengard             guess someone taught wahanui that on Friday
14:22 nengard             hehe
14:22 wahanui             well, library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something
14:22 nengard             hey library_systems_guy
14:21 library_systems_guy w00t
14:21 wizzyrea            :D
14:21 wahanui             jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
14:21 wizzyrea            jquery library?
14:21 tcohen              6126 is a bug, 4389 is a feature (that happens to fail to work if 6126 is not applied, webkit problems)
14:20 jcamins             library_systems_guy: if you don't already know about it, you'll probably want to browse the jQuery library on the wiki at some point: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
14:20 wizzyrea            :( boo tornadoes
14:20 * chris_n           's brain got twisted up during the tornadoes apparently
14:20 jcamins             Jared. ;)
14:20 library_systems_guy sup jarrod
14:19 chris_n             make sense?
14:19 tcohen              ok, i get it: those bugs are unrelated
14:19 chris_n             otherwise, I just need a complete patch set so that 6126 applies cleanly to 3.2.x
14:19 library_systems_guy thx wizzyrea
14:19 chris_n             tcohen: if 6126 depends on files added by 4389 then it will not be back ported is what i'm trying to type :-P
14:19 tcohen              4389 is enh, 6126 a bugfix that should/could be applied to 3.2.x
14:19 wizzyrea            wb library_systems_guy
14:18 tcohen              hehe
14:18 jcamins             Hello, library_systems_guy.
14:18 * chris_n           cannot seem to type this morning
14:18 chris_n             4389 that is
14:18 chris_n             6126/
14:18 chris_n             sorry
14:18 chris_n             if 6126 is a truly "new" feature, that is
14:17 chris_n             tcohen: if it depends on 6126, no
14:17 tcohen              the patch that fixes bug in 6126 should be ported
14:17 tcohen              chris_n: so, patch for 3.2.x, for 4389 wont be applied
14:15 tcohen              patch for 6126 fixes a bug in moremember-receipt.tmpl, printfeercpt.tmpl and printinvoice.tmpl
14:15 chris_n             ahh... new features are not backported to 3.2.x
14:14 tcohen              patch for 4389 add a feature to circulation.tmpl/tt
14:13 chris_n             I'm confused as to what files are missing in 3.2.x which are not included in the patch set for 6126
14:13 tcohen              because of a bug patch for 6126 solves
14:13 tcohen              but bug 4389 happens not to work on webkit based browsers
14:12 tcohen              not directly
14:12 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit
14:12 chris_n             tcohen: this is related to bug 4389?
14:07 tcohen              but i know i'll find more situations like this
14:06 tcohen              i already have the patch for 3.2.x
14:05 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
14:05 tcohen              Bug 6126
14:05 tcohen              modules/members/printinvoice.tmpl
14:05 chris_n             which bug I mean; sorry
14:04 tcohen              modules/members/printfeercpt.tmpl
14:04 wahanui             it has been said that which is not which
14:04 chris_n             which?
14:04 tcohen              the problem is that it changes 2 files not present in 3.2.x right now
14:03 tcohen              chris_n: no problem then, bugzilla will have patch for master (already pushed), patch for pre-tt master, and for 3.2.x branch
14:02 chris_n             otherwise, note in the commit message that it should be applied to 3.2.x and I'll pick it from master
14:02 mib_pockr6          so if I want to block the reserves I've to change the code.... C4::Reserves maybe?
14:02 chris_n             tcohen: if the patch will not apply cleanly to 3.2.x you should submit separately
14:01 sekjal              so to exploit this bug, the patron would need to get out the material, then place a hold on it and have that hold get to the top of the queue just about the time the material would be due?
13:59 tcohen              should I commit a new patch fr 3.2.x or wait for changes in pre-tt master be cherry picked by chris_n?
13:59 tcohen              the patch for template::pro doesn't apply cleanly on 3.2.x
13:58 tcohen              (pushed)
13:58 tcohen              it was rebased for tt
13:58 kf                  sekjal: I have seen them put holds on different editions, just to get one
13:58 tcohen              i submitted a patch against master (for pre-tt master actually)
13:58 mib_pockr6          (by the way my name is Vitor Fernandes, maybe you've already read some of my questions on the mailing list)
13:58 kf                  sekjal: I can imagine that happening
13:58 tcohen              i need advice on something that is being discussed on patches for 3.2.x
13:57 mib_pockr6          which if a problem if the others patrons wanted the book too
13:57 mib_pockr6          it's a possibility to have the book for longer periods of time...
13:56 sekjal              have any Koha libraries found people doing this, or is it just a theoretical exploit at this time?
13:56 mib_pockr6          I agree with kf....
13:56 kf                  yes, and perhaps different for different types of libraries
13:56 paul_p              kf, good argument too. I fear it's a problem that each library will want to solve differently...
13:55 oleonard            I think that's the fear sekjal
13:55 paul_p              oleonard, in this case, the teacher won't return his book, just check out 2 at the same time : one for him, one for the student
13:55 kf                  making it hard for others
13:55 kf                  sekjal: I think about students during exams. they will do almost everything to make sure they can keep a book
13:55 sekjal              oleonard: as a way of gaming longer loan periods?
13:55 kf                  mid-air collision!
13:55 oleonard            sekjal: So that when it was time to return it they were sure to be next in line in the hold queue?
13:55 paul_p              (hello everybody)
13:54 paul_p              jumping in the discussion: I agree it's debatable: a school can find usefull to have a teacher with a check-out placing a hold on another item for a student of his team
13:54 sekjal              why would a patron place a hold on an item they already have?
13:53 kf                  yep, I think oleonard is right, it should only allow item level holds, not an additional title level hold
13:53 oleonard            sekjal: Of course if they have item-level holds turned off...
13:52 kf                  hm.
13:52 mib_pockr6          I can help in the proccess because i've good perl knowledges...
13:52 sekjal              once multiple holds can be placed on a single biblio, we'll need to reevaluate
13:52 sekjal              at this time, it's more of a feature to have this enabled.  this way, patrons can have one volume of a multi-part set out, and a hold on the next volume
13:51 oleonard            mib_pockr6: That means that you could be the one!
13:51 oleonard            mib_pockr6: There can't be a patch for it until someone decides that this is a problem worth patching
13:50 nengard             not at this time
13:50 mib_pockr6          :| that's a problem to me... there isn't any patch to solve it?
13:50 nengard             kf that's a question for sekjal
13:50 kf                  nengard: hm. do you see a possibility that this might be covered by the holds rewrite?
13:49 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3551 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, patron able to place hold on book he already has
13:49 kf                  bug 3551
13:49 oleonard            mib_pockr6: I can certainly see the utility of having that option
13:48 nengard             kf, with so many bug reports searching can be difficult i do agree
13:48 oleonard            To configure that policy is feature Koha lacks, let's put it that way mib_pockr6
13:48 kf                  nengard: searching... seems I added a comment to an existing bug, makes it harder to find it
13:47 mib_pockr6          for me it's a bug LOL because the library wants to prevent that
13:47 oleonard            It's neither a bug nor a feature, it's just the way it is. :)
13:46 nengard             do you know the bug number?
13:46 kf                  but a debatable one
13:46 nengard             heh
13:46 kf                  it's a feature... it seems
13:46 mib_pockr6          *bug?
13:46 mib_pockr6          so it's a koha byg
13:46 kf                  because it annoys my people hehe
13:46 nengard             LOL
13:46 kf                  there is a bug report for that too :)
13:46 nengard             sorry you're right
13:46 chris_n             g'morning
13:46 nengard             oh!
13:46 kf                  nengard: hm, I think what mib... asks is if you can prevent people from placing holds on items they have checked out? because you can't
13:45 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles
13:45 nengard             bug 4239
13:44 nengard             it's a bug report actually ... hang on
13:44 oleonard            Ah you would remember that then
13:44 nengard             during training
13:44 nengard             i always remember people getting annoyed at me
13:44 nengard             yes cause it pissed people off :)
13:44 oleonard            nengard: Are you sure it used to?
13:43 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit
13:43 nengard             love patch for bug 4389 - signed off!!!
13:43 mib_pockr6          it is some system preference?
13:41 mib_pockr6          I've tested now and it is possible :/
13:41 nengard             at least it used to :)
13:41 nengard             koha does that automatically - you cannot place a hold on a book you already have a hold on
13:39 mib_pockr6          First: It is possible to block a patron to reserve books that he already have?
13:38 mib_pockr6          can anybody help me in two things?
13:37 mib_pockr6          Hi there...
13:35 nengard             http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x5419#budgetplanning
13:34 nengard             see manual 1.5.2.1 Add a budget
13:34 nengard             budget
13:34 nengard             buddget
13:34 nengard             no
13:34 nengard             fund level
13:29 oleonard            Are they locked at the budget level or the fund level?
13:29 oleonard            I didn't think mine were either
13:29 nengard             mine aren't locked
13:29 nengard             oh
13:28 oleonard            nengard: The greyed out text is from the budget being locked, according to the template
13:22 nengard             nothing greyed out
13:22 nengard             oleonard, on chrome on mac the links show as well
13:22 nengard             checking in chrome
13:21 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6185] holds slip says 'reserve' <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6185>
13:21 nengard             oleonard - okay so it's a FF4 thing showing me the links probably - but they should be active
13:12 * oleonard          has no active edit or delete link on aqbudgets.pl. Grey text.
13:12 nengard             also i don't see the budgets on the right of cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl
13:11 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6156] Misaligned column in cart print view <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6156>
13:11 nengard             feel free to close if it's not a bug
13:11 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6200 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, can't edit funds
13:11 nengard             bug 6200 submitted on it
13:09 oleonard            /cgi-bin/koha/admin/aqbudgets.pl ?
13:08 nengard             the url changes, but the screen does not
13:07 nengard             can someone confirm for me that i just found a bug ... i'm on the funds page and i'm clicking edit next to a fund and nothing is happening
12:58 kf                  hi gmcharlt :)
12:57 tcohen              hi gmcharlt
12:56 magnuse             g'day gmcharlt
12:56 gmcharlt            good morning
12:55 Oak                 ok, thanks
12:54 * oleonard          is glad that, at the very least, the lib-web-cats search for Koha libraries includes all of his vendor-specific categories
12:54 kf                  the problem with lib-web-cats is that a lot of those entries never get updated :(
12:53 magnuse             i'd say more than 1200, but yeah
12:52 Oak                 ok, 'more than a thousand libraries' should be ok then
12:52 jcamins             "Well over a thousand"
12:52 magnuse             but there are a lot more than that
12:52 magnuse             lib-web-cats has 1200 and some, that's the only thing we can say for sure...
12:52 Oak                 what should I say then?
12:51 oleonard            That sounds too high to say without evidence.
12:50 Oak                 is it ok to say Koha is 'used by thousands of libraries in the world' ? the word 'thousands' ok?
12:49 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5791] Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5791>
12:46 Oak                 making a presentation on Koha and adding links to her tutorials...
12:45 Oak                 ah, ok, thanks
12:42 nengard             two emails
12:42 nengard             same person
12:40 Oak                 and Brooke Helman?
12:40 jcamins             Brooke.
12:39 Oak                 ?
12:39 Oak                 who is B W Johnson
12:27 tcohen              hi oleonard
12:26 oleonard            Hi #koha
12:17 pastebot0           "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "nengard - update koha-dev" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12
12:17 kf                  can I just writeoff all fines from borrower accounts and drop the accountlines table or will it explode?
12:17 kf                  hm question: I want to delete all fines, history about fines and everything else related
12:15 hdl                 branch -r is to get remote branches.
12:15 hdl                 done
12:15 hdl                 git branch -D $i
12:15 hdl                 do
12:15 hdl                 Or with a for i in `git branch -r |grep tokenIwant`
12:14 Oak                 \o
12:14 nengard             i'll need to spend some time just deleting them one by one ;)
12:14 nengard             k
12:14 hdl                 nengard: you could do that but only with bash and getting down in the .git files.... Which I would not advise....
12:12 nengard             is there a way in git to delete a bunch of branches at once? a wildcard or something? I have so many branches from all my signoffs and I really need to cut that list down some
11:49 jwagner             Hi AmitG
11:49 AmitG               heya jwagner
11:36 * jwagner           waves back
11:35 * kf                waves
11:31 nengard             hehe :) thanks for checking up on me! :)
11:30 magnuse             oops, i'm a bit delayed then... good that you made it!
11:29 nengard             magnuse, the wind was a couple days ago and it was hard to stand upright :) but I made it :)
11:29 magnuse             you didn't get swept away by the wind last night, nengard!
11:28 jwagner             Hi magnuse
11:28 magnuse             hiya nengard and jwagner
11:16 magnuse             hi conan
11:10 kf                  hi conan
11:10 AmitG               heya conan
11:09 conan               hi everyone
10:59 * druthb            wriggles happily
10:58 kf                  hi druthb :)
10:50 kmkale              :)
10:50 druthb              hi, kmkale! :D
10:50 kmkale              hi druthb
10:49 druthb              o/
10:49 magnuse             o/
10:13 tcohen              hi #koha
09:31 * magnuse           wanders off to an early lunch
09:19 kmkale              AmitG: bhow about that link?
09:18 kmkale              hi AmitG
09:18 AmitG               heya kmkale
09:12 kmkale              blame that on my broadband provider :(
09:10 kf                  2 kamkales for more pestering about kohacon?
09:08 wahanui             rumour has it kf is the kind of person that will brighten everyone's day
09:08 kmkale_             who kf?
09:07 kmkale_             yay
09:05 magnuse             hehe
09:05 kf                  or countrycode
09:05 kf                  magnuse: do you think they want us or only our language codes?
09:04 rangi               http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/
09:03 rangi               http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/bi.html
09:03 rangi               yeah i think its iana delegations not countrycodes
09:03 kf                  hm list says that's kh
09:02 kmkale              burundi
09:02 kf                  burkina faso
09:02 kf                  bi?
09:01 magnuse             it is
09:00 rangi               thats pretty cool
09:00 rangi               an yeah i was going on the language codes
08:59 kmkale              zimbabwe
08:59 kf                  zw is china?
08:59 kmkale              http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/ctycodes.htm
08:58 rangi               im guessing ng is nigeria
08:58 rangi               nz, philipines, pakistan, taiwan, us, china
08:58 magnuse             19 from nigeria? wow!
08:58 magnuse             yay
08:58 rangi               norway
08:58 rangi               nigeria
08:57 kmkale              yep
08:57 kmkale              *Lanka
08:57 kf                  kmkale: more pestering? ;)
08:57 kmkale              Shri Lanks
08:57 rangi               sri lanka
08:57 kf                  lk...
08:57 rangi               yep
08:57 kf                  ir? ireland?
08:57 kf                  india
08:57 kmkale              I don't see Germany and France in there yet :(
08:57 kf                  great britain
08:57 rangi               bi ?
08:57 rangi               bangladesh
08:57 rangi               australia
08:57 rangi               afghanistan
08:56 rangi               dont know that one
08:56 kf                  I need a legend
08:56 rangi               i know all the other ones
08:56 rangi               BI?
08:56 kf                  but no idea about most of the other abbreviations
08:56 kf                  oh 2 from nz!
08:55 magnuse             cool graph!
08:55 magnuse             and kf
08:55 kf                  magnuse being one of those probably ;)
08:54 kmkale              magnuse: most interesting part is the registrations are from 16 countries http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration
08:53 kmkale              hi paul_p
08:53 paul_p              hi kmkale !
08:52 magnuse             nice
08:52 kmkale              2 paper abstracts awaiting review
08:51 kmkale              120 so far
08:50 magnuse             any more registrations for kohacon? :-)
08:50 kmkale              hi magnuse
08:50 magnuse             hiya kmkale
08:47 kmkale              hi kf :)
08:47 kf                  hi kmkale
08:46 magnuse             hehe
08:46 kf                  I think we all have a serious koha addiction
08:41 eythian             yeah, it's not even 9pm yet :)
08:40 magnuse             well, that's early ;-)
08:36 eythian             fixing one more thing then it's time to go home I think
08:23 magnuse             hehe
08:23 paul_p              magnuse, ;-)
08:23 rangi               :)
08:23 rangi               koha is life
08:22 magnuse             paul_p: you consider this to be the real life? ;-)
08:17 paul_p              back IRL after one week afk
08:17 paul_p              bonjour everybody !
08:17 rangi               wb paul_p
08:16 eythian             cool
08:16 magnuse             kia ora, paul_p
08:15 rangi               (i think by default that is set)
08:15 rangi               if you set that in your frameworks yep
08:14 eythian             location values map to the authorised value 'LOC' right?
08:14 magnuse             yeah
08:13 rangi               the things to test would be the obvious things, like circulation and cataloguing
08:13 rangi               good
08:13 rangi               hehe
08:13 magnuse             ok, cool - i might not be able to keep myself from giving it a try then...
08:10 rangi               so yes that one 3826
08:10 rangi               magnuse: ah yes, that has all 11 of them in that one file
08:10 magnuse             yummy!
08:09 kf                  can't only feed my coworkers here and leave #koha out
08:09 * kf                puts a plate of cake int he middle of #koha
08:06 rangi               hmm lemme check
08:05 magnuse             so which patch(es) should be tested? the one called "signed off patches set" (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=3826) from clrh, or all of the four that are listed?
08:01 rangi               yep i really want it in
08:00 magnuse             oh, it would be so good to have that in 3.4!
07:54 kf                  hi hdl :)
07:54 rangi               im really hoping it will, it looks good to me, but is quite a big change so would like one more to check :)
07:54 hdl                 hi all
07:54 hdl                 feel free to test and sign off :P
07:54 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6199] Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199>
07:54 hdl                 magnuse: coulr be... It needs some more signoff
07:54 rangi               it needs another sign off, and then it will
07:53 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
07:53 magnuse             is bug 5579 making it into 3.4? hope so!
07:51 rangi               cool
07:46 kf                  rangi: will test tonight :)
07:45 magnuse             eythian woohoo ;-)
07:45 eythian             OK, now I've got useful conflicts
07:44 rangi               kf: i think it just fixed the %s but maybe the xslt too
07:44 rangi               yeah that oughta work
07:44 rangi               normally i get conflicts if it was formatted against an old version of the branch
07:43 eythian             OK, well I'll see if I can cherry pick it onto master and do it that way
07:43 rangi               yeah it often doesnt just refuses not to apply cos the hashes in it dont exist in that branch
07:43 rangi               kf: i dont know
07:43 eythian             but it doesn't give me conflicts
07:43 rangi               well maybe
07:42 eythian             rangi: yeah, that's what I'm doing here.
07:42 rangi               no
07:42 kf                  rangi: I saw your commits - one of them fixing xslt translation?
07:42 rangi               or its been formatted against a branch, other than the one im trying to apply it to
07:42 rangi               usually if i get a dont apply, the mail programme has munched it
07:42 eythian             I'll see more soon
07:40 rangi               but they still apply
07:40 eythian             hmm strange
07:40 rangi               at least half the patches i get have whitespace issues
07:40 rangi               unless you have somehow switched on some kinda strict mode or something
07:40 rangi               the not apply will be of something else
07:40 rangi               yeah those are just warns
07:39 eythian             the only mentions are of whitespace
07:39 eythian             error: misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl: patch does not apply
07:39 rangi               if its just whitespace errors
07:39 rangi               oh it can apply it just fine
07:39 eythian             I mostly just think it's dumb of git to create a patch it can't apply
07:39 eythian             rangi: that could be useful. Although it wouldn't catch this particular case: a space before a tab.
07:38 rangi               eythian: you can check the hook for the apply
07:38 kf                  in my tests yesterday a lot of things in opac didn't get translated
07:38 kf                  magnuse: the translation still has some glitches - hope chris recent changes will fix most of it
07:37 rangi               http://eng.wealthfront.com/2011/03/corrective-action-with-gits-pre-commit.html
07:37 kf                  hm. it's monday. forgot to scroll down.
07:36 kf                  eythian: hehe
07:34 eythian             I can't see anything in there that would do it...
07:33 eythian             oh
07:33 eythian             rangi: but what do you use to find the whitespace errors?
07:33 rangi               eythian: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks
07:32 magnuse             rangi, yeah will do that
07:32 rangi               and checks for conflict markers etc
07:31 rangi               my commit runs all the critical tests
07:31 rangi               in .git/hooks
07:31 rangi               just add a hook
07:31 eythian             rangi: that'd be better still
07:31 rangi               im sure you can at format-patch too
07:30 rangi               eythian: you can make it spot them at commit
07:30 rangi               magnuse: you could grab the norwegian .po files from translate.koha-community.org and install them
07:30 eythian             srsly git, how about spotting whitespace errors during format-patch rather than git-am
07:27 rangi               hi clrh
07:26 clrh                Bonjour magnuse & all :=)
07:26 magnuse             bonjour clrh
07:26 magnuse             eythian: woohoo!
07:26 eythian             magnuse: all your Norwegian translations will now come up in Esperanto.
07:26 rangi               thats what needs to be tested :)
07:26 francharb           hello all
07:26 magnuse             ah yes
07:26 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
07:25 magnuse             bug 5917
07:25 magnuse             test them how? are there things that are likely to be missed?
07:24 rangi               for people running in another language, i would make sure to test the translations before upgrading production
07:23 rangi               or at least getting there
07:22 rangi               i think it should be pretty safe, i think the last remaining gotchas are to do with the translations and i think they are pretty much sorted
07:21 magnuse             and i am so looking forward to not having to maintain my own little normarc fork! ;-)
07:21 magnuse             my plan is to upgrade all my installs to 3.4 during easter - i might live to regret that, but it seems so very convenient to do it during those quiet days
07:19 magnuse             cool
07:19 rangi               wrote the release notes today, tomorrow ill be building a couple of tarballs, and testing installs
07:18 rangi               magnuse: hopefully not too busy
07:15 hdl                 hi all
07:14 kf                  good morning #koha
07:14 rangi               yep will be busy
07:14 magnuse             rangi: you might be busy on friday, even if you have the day off?
07:13 magnuse             ooh, sounds like we are quite lucky, then ;-)
07:13 * eythian           makes a bug, makes a patch
07:13 magnuse             eythian++
07:12 eythian             yay, fixed bulkmarcimport to deal with dodgy data.
07:11 AmitG               we have only friday off ;(
07:10 rangi               we have friday and monday off
07:10 magnuse             so what are easter holidays like in koha land? in norway we work full days today and tomorrow, half a day on wednesday and then have thursday, friday, the weekend and monday completely off...
07:03 matts               hello #koha
07:01 magnuse             hiya AmitG
07:00 AmitG               heya magnuse
06:59 julian              hi #koha!
06:59 sophie_m            hello #koha
06:58 magnuse             bonjour biblibre
06:58 AmitG               heya hdl, julian, sophie_m
06:48 magnuse             ouch
06:48 eythian             magnuse: one of many in Liberty it seems.
06:45 magnuse             that does sound like a somewhat unfortunate default, eythian...
06:45 eythian             oh, bye :)
06:44 eythian             yeah, needed for a migration I'm doing, and likely to come up again in the future. Some versions of liberty default the barcode field to the biblio ID number. Which causes Koha problems if you have more than one item on that biblio.
06:44 cait                ok, have to go - ttyl
06:43 cait                eythian: sounds like a good idea
06:41 huginn              magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (8:20 AM CEST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse             @wunder bodo, norway
06:40 magnuse             morning #koha
06:39 eythian             trying to allow bulkmarcimport handle duplicate barcodes more gracefully than just throwing away items :)
06:38 eythian             heh
06:38 cait                eythian: how's tricks?
06:37 cait                and I see rangi worked on my translation problems! yay!
06:36 cait                so the answer is: tired, weekend was too short and getting ready for work ;)
06:36 cait                thx
06:36 eythian             or "how's it going"
06:36 eythian             cait: it's a slang expression meaning "what's happening?"
06:34 cait                morning magnuse :)
06:34 cait                tricks?
06:29 eythian             how's tricks?
06:26 cait                hi eythian :)
06:26 eythian             hello
06:26 cait                #koha
06:26 cait                hi #kohy
06:25 alex_a              hi #koha
05:50 eythian             it's only a 61.1kph ssw wind. Harden up :)
05:46 rangi               I bet its actually about 4 on this bus
05:46 huginn              rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
05:46 rangi               @wunder wellington nz
05:19 Oak_                much appreciated
05:18 Oak_                ok thank you very much rangi :)
05:18 rangi               good luck :)
05:18 rangi               ok, im off
05:18 Oak_                exactly
05:18 Oak_                oh yes that will surely help. did not thought of that
05:18 rangi               might be some ones that give you ideas for your presentation
05:17 rangi               the presentations are recorded, so there are links to the video
05:17 rangi               and the other 2 days
05:17 rangi               Oak_: i recommend http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/day1.html
05:16 rangi               ok time to catch my bus
05:13 Oak_                yes :) ok.
05:13 rangi               id just recommend ignoring anything.koha.org
05:12 rangi               git.koha-community.org, wiki.koha-community, download. www. etc
05:12 Oak_                yes I got this link http://www.librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ before dc
05:12 rangi               http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/
05:12 Oak_                ok good, that sounds good
05:12 rangi               did you see this link
05:12 rangi               yeah
05:11 Oak_                hm, that's a good point. And to download Koha, the link is not koha.org but http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
05:11 rangi               could just mention the 37 or so other support companies that actually do instead
05:10 rangi               basically if you are talking about Koha, then because liblime/ptfs dont do koha, you dont really need to mention them imho :)
05:10 Oak_                sorry, got dc
05:09 rangi               is another 3rd party write up
05:09 rangi               http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/
05:09 mtj                 https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/commits/harley
05:08 rangi               something like htat
05:08 mtj                 harley was last updated 1 year ago, so its around 3000? commits behind Koha stable
05:08 Oak                 I am an MLIS student and need to give presentation on Koha... on Wednesday. 'Introduction to Koha and why we should consider it as an alternative to propriety software'.
05:07 Oak                 oh thanks
05:06 rangi               is a good read
05:06 rangi               http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/
05:06 mtj                 liblime's 'released' fork is called harley
05:06 Oak                 ah
05:05 mtj                 liblime's unreleased fork is called 'liblime enterprise koha' aka llek
05:05 rangi               presumably they take stuff from the Koha repo, and commit their own as well
05:05 rangi               who knows how code makes it into Liblime stuff
05:05 rangi               thats how code makes it into Koha
05:05 Oak                 hm
05:05 rangi               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
05:04 rangi               the other fork is nearly 3 years old, and has never had a release
05:04 rangi               its not a Koha release, the code hasnt been through the sign off, qa etc process that Koha goes through
05:04 Oak                 i see
05:04 rangi               one of which they do releases for
05:03 rangi               liblime maintain a couple of forks
05:03 rangi               which does official releases
05:03 rangi               Oak: there is Koha, which has elected release officials, like release managers release maintainers etc
05:03 space_librarian     Liblime isn't exactly *open*
05:03 Oak                 I want to know about this :)
05:02 eythian             open it. you know you wanna!
05:02 * space_librarian   wonders how to put it
05:02 * eythian           hands Oak a can labelled 'worms'
05:02 rangi               heh
05:02 space_librarian     that's a long story
05:01 Oak                 or explain here if possible.
05:01 Oak                 hi, can someone point me to a link that explains difference b/w Liblime and community releases of Koha.
03:34 rangi               gmcharlt: around?
03:33 space_librarian     Hey Amit!
03:33 wahanui             space_librarian is probably a Koha poet
03:33 AmitG               heya space_librarian
03:29 * druthb            stumbles off to bed.
03:29 * space_librarian   waves
03:29 druthb              space_librarian++
03:25 AmitG               heya chris
03:25 AmitG               heya all
02:54 huginn              druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 14.9�C (10:55 PM EDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling).
02:54 druthb              @wunder 20852
02:51 huginn              space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
02:51 space_librarian     @wunder wellington, nz
02:44 huginn              bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.5�C (7:45 PM PDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 3 am PDT Monday...
02:44 bg                  @wunder 93109
02:24 rangi               back
02:01 space_librarian     that's... wow
01:59 druthb              chris_n2: I'm glad you and yours are okay!   That's fierce!
01:59 space_librarian     Wow...
01:57 chris_n2            same tornado tossing large fiberglass swimming pools into the air like toys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxeEPfCmANQ
01:53 chris_n2            that gas station is ~3 miles from my house and shows both tornados
01:53 chris_n2            more tornado video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsQkamAOlw
00:40 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
00:40 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : Trimming leading spaces - Please test it seems to work ok
00:40 jenkins_koha        * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : More tweaks to the translation
00:40 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #191: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/191/
00:25 jcamins_away        Okay, I'm not getting my hands on this dissertation. Back to reading.
00:21 jcamins_away        Heh. We did that once.
00:20 SteveJ              We ordered several conference proceedings from the publisher in Chile. All the descriptions and such were in English, but when we received them found that all the papers were in Spanish. There was a bit of cursing involved when we got them in three months and $500 later.
00:20 jcamins_away        Eventually I catch on to these things.
00:19 jcamins_away        ... also the fact that the Russian title and the English title are completely different.
00:18 SteveJ              lol
00:18 jcamins_away        The best part, for me, is that the dissertation was written in Russian, but the author of the dissertation cites it in English.
00:18 jcamins_away        Oh, yeah, those are fun too.
00:17 SteveJ              I like the universities that insist theirs are available through proquest's service, except they are often unusuable in my field because images don't exactly come across well when microfilmed.
00:15 jcamins_away        The one in Jerusalem, not the one in Cincinatti.
00:14 jcamins_away        There's a fantastic-sounding dissertation from Hebrew University.
00:14 jcamins_away        Yep.
00:14 druthb              (or, trying to?)
00:13 druthb              doing some research, jcamins?
00:13 jcamins_away        I have fixed this. ;)
00:13 jcamins_away        Prior to my decrementation, those universities had neutral karma.
00:13 huginn              jcamins_away: Karma for "universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
00:13 jcamins_away        @karma universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere
00:12 SteveJ              ^Where did that come from?
00:11 jcamins_away        universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere--
00:09 druthb              I had not planned on it.  I am going to be at KUDOS in May (presenting--twice), and there was talk of ALA, but that's all I know of at this time.
00:08 druthb              SteveJ: Handing me items in a 952 with only one field out of place, and a half-dozen little mapping tweaks, was a pleasant relief from some of the "build MARC from this nasty spreadsheet" garbage I've dealt with lately.
00:08 SteveJ              By the way, are you going to be at SLA?
00:07 druthb              A certain other site i'm coping with is much larger, and has their bib data in a non-standard XML format.  It's clearly *supposed* to be MARC, but none of the conventional translators can touch it.  I'm having to write a crosswalk to get it to something I *can* work with.  Very messy.
00:06 SteveJ              That is certainly a nice way of saying that since we were only using about six fields in our old system that there is not much work to be done.
00:04 druthb              pretty_clean_data_to_start_with++
00:03 druthb              awesomeness.  Any changes we need to make to the mapping, just shout; easy enough to do, then re-run the scripts and reload.  That many bibs, takes an hour or so to do.
00:03 SteveJ              Yep. A few minor tweaks needed but nothing major. Will let you know by Tuesday.
00:01 druthb              Everything look okay, so far?
00:01 druthb              You're not the only one i've torqued in that fashion this weekend--it's been a busy, productive one.
00:01 * druthb            cackles.
00:00 SteveJ              You had to be all nice and set up the test environment which is causing me to have to do work!
00:00 druthb              eh?   wha'd I do now?