Time Nick Message 21:50 rhcl bye bye 21:41 cait \o 21:39 druthb o/ 21:27 sekjal he has the right idea.... see y'all Monday (if not sooner) 21:24 library_systems_guy later man 21:24 library_systems_guy ok cool 21:24 library_systems_guy lol 21:24 library_systems_guy my bad 21:24 library_systems_guy oops 21:24 jcamins Yeah, I work Saturday-Wednesday. 21:24 jcamins library_systems_guy: enjoy. I was telling wizzyrea what to do. 21:24 library_systems_guy ill hit you up with this on monday (or saturday if your around) 21:23 library_systems_guy jcamins i g2g give my gf a ride man 21:23 library_systems_guy haha 21:23 jcamins I guess it should've been done in the other order, so you could see that it didn't work before the patch. 21:22 jcamins For bug 5683, the second patch has a test. 21:22 library_systems_guy ill take a look when i get to my home machine 21:22 library_systems_guy ok 21:22 library_systems_guy hmm 21:22 jcamins The two searches that are currently broken are "any" and "main entry ($a only)" 21:22 jcamins For bug 3072, if authority searches work with DOM enabled, the patch was successful. 21:22 library_systems_guy cya later 21:22 library_systems_guy ;) 21:22 library_systems_guy haha 21:21 wizzyrea but someone is ;) 21:21 wizzyrea well nto *always* 21:21 wizzyrea we're always around 21:21 library_systems_guy sweet 21:21 library_systems_guy asap 21:21 wizzyrea of course :) 21:21 library_systems_guy id love to get started 21:21 library_systems_guy maybe we can pick back up on this monday? 21:21 jcamins wizzyrea: yes. 21:21 library_systems_guy ok, i hate to jet so soon but my girlfriend needs a ride home :'/ 21:21 wizzyrea :P 21:21 wizzyrea you got a testing plan in place for that there chum? 21:20 * cait sends jcamins some cookies 21:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 21:19 jcamins bug 5683 21:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE 21:19 jcamins Bug 3072 and... 21:19 jcamins Yeah. 21:19 library_systems_guy are they in bugzilla? 21:19 jcamins Well, actually, terrible bugs, but they're bugs that deserve sign offs. 21:19 library_systems_guy but i suppose that is a different story 21:19 jcamins One is for serious data corruption, the other is because authorities are broken with MARC21. 21:18 library_systems_guy i once had a pet named patches 21:18 wizzyrea <.< 21:18 wizzyrea >.> 21:18 wizzyrea I often sign off on patches for my pets 21:18 jcamins But, they're good bugs. 21:18 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:18 library_systems_guy for shame 21:18 jcamins Yeah. 21:18 library_systems_guy lol 21:18 wizzyrea probably he means "patches for his pet bugs" 21:18 library_systems_guy ohhh 21:18 * jcamins looks around... huh, do you know I seem to be the one who escalated those bugs to "critical" ;) 21:18 library_systems_guy a super patch? 21:17 jcamins I can suggest several super patches that you could sign off on. 21:17 wizzyrea *nod* exactly :) 21:17 jcamins Yes, signing off is a great idea! 21:17 library_systems_guy yeah that would help me get familiar with the code base 21:17 library_systems_guy ok cool 21:16 wizzyrea test them and resend 21:16 wizzyrea a great way to start is to sign off on patches 21:16 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git + http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 21:16 library_systems_guy yeah git is new to me...i come from svn 21:16 wahanui freaking rules 21:16 cait git? 21:16 cait git 21:16 cait I was moved around because chris forgot a number, now I always forget mine 21:16 wizzyrea hrmp 21:16 wizzyrea version control? 21:16 wizzyrea git wiki? 21:16 cait hm 97 I think 21:15 wahanui it has been said that git is found at http://git.koha-community.org 21:15 wizzyrea git? 21:15 wizzyrea < 87 21:15 library_systems_guy haha yeah i just need to get down the submissions process 21:15 cait you even get numbered 21:15 sekjal library_systems_guy: do it! 21:15 cait and if you could make the notices listen to the calendar... you would have a very happy cait to talk to ;) 21:15 library_systems_guy sweet 21:15 wizzyrea that would be great :) you get a spot in the history if you get a patch accepted :) 21:15 library_systems_guy break knee's and such lol 21:15 sekjal wherein we have arbitrary notices sent at user-configurable intervals 21:15 library_systems_guy yeah I thought I could maybe write that and submit it to the community 21:14 cait but I have to say... we normally do four around here - the last one often threatening to send someone to collect the books 21:14 sekjal this sounds like something to factor into a Notices Rewrite 21:14 library_systems_guy I agree with cait 21:14 wizzyrea cait: that's so true 21:14 wizzyrea cool 21:14 cait the question is if a patron that didn't care about 3 notices will care about 10 21:14 wizzyrea :) 21:14 wizzyrea file an enhancement bug! 21:14 library_systems_guy Nicole came to our library this week 21:13 library_systems_guy I suppose i should give you some background 21:13 library_systems_guy exactly 21:13 library_systems_guy thats the way they have it now 21:13 wizzyrea that could almost certainly be added 21:13 wizzyrea !!!! 21:13 library_systems_guy they want a notice sent until the fine is paid...i suppose until the end of time 21:13 wizzyrea I wonder how they want them to be sent? 21:13 library_systems_guy yeah...Koha only sends 3 apparently 21:12 library_systems_guy I think this will be very helpful when i catch flack about the wording 21:12 wizzyrea "the way notices are sent" 21:12 * cait is doing that hehe 21:12 wahanui i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 21:12 wizzyrea jquery library? 21:12 wizzyrea jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 21:12 cait yep you could do that 21:12 wizzyrea or you can go even further and make your own translation 21:11 library_systems_guy oh yeah nicole told me about jquery 21:11 rhcl notices have improved a bit since we started using them, and the recent "fix" for the <date> helps 21:11 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 21:11 cait and very few questions about how something works, some smaller bugs and cataloging/data things 21:11 wizzyrea sec 21:11 wizzyrea boo 21:11 wizzyrea jquery library? 21:11 wizzyrea you should investigate 21:11 wizzyrea ohhh, wording 21:10 library_systems_guy haha everything from the wording in the staff/opac to the way notices are sent 21:10 cait we get positive feedback from our libraries too 21:10 wizzyrea changing workflows? 21:10 wizzyrea what are they pushing back about? 21:10 wizzyrea reeeallly 21:10 library_systems_guy i agree, but I'm a devel 21:10 wizzyrea constant and steady 21:10 wizzyrea but constant improvement really helps with that 21:09 library_systems_guy man I am getting so much push back at our library it is almost incomprehensible 21:09 wizzyrea it has some rough spots, sure 21:09 wizzyrea Koha, overall, is very friendly to staff. 21:09 wizzyrea I have not encountered it 21:09 wizzyrea overall though, there are lots of librarians in the community. They are usually hiding behind the one or two techie representatives here.. 21:08 library_systems_guy When you help libraries switch to koha do you get much resistance to the change 21:08 wizzyrea certainly the Koha community population reflected here is more on the systems/dev side 21:08 cait offering different services for libraries, I work at a public institution, a library service center 21:07 library_systems_guy that makes sense 21:07 library_systems_guy oh ok 21:07 cait we support libraries 21:07 library_systems_guy wizzyrea should probably be librarian_in_disguise 21:07 cait my job is similar to wizzyrea's I think 21:07 wizzyrea let's see 21:07 wizzyrea and I'm not a degreed librarian, but could probably do it in a pinch ;) 21:06 wizzyrea but I work at a regional system. 21:06 * wizzyrea is in a position much like yours 21:06 library_systems_guy oh it is 21:06 cait the dark side looks promising 21:06 * cait hopes to get there :) 21:06 * sekjal is also a librarian by training, but has been on the 'dark side' for over a year now 21:05 cait wizzyrea: what do you think? 21:05 cait I don't know in numbers, probably more developers 21:05 library_systems_guy hmm thats interesting 21:05 * cait is a librarian, but not working in a library, and some say I am a developer. 21:05 library_systems_guy do you do both? 21:05 cait not so easy to answer that 21:04 library_systems_guy are most of you devels or do you actually work in libraries 21:04 library_systems_guy ok so I have a random question for you guys 20:57 wizzyrea and I even like non-baseball-cap hats 20:56 wizzyrea the hats are simply ludicrous! 20:56 wizzyrea somehow I stumbled into a binge of looking at royal wedding stuff (after being completely... well, not completely, but mostly ignorant of the whole affair) and good lord 20:56 cait :) 20:48 wizzyrea just had to. 20:48 wizzyrea kate_middletons_completely_weird_hats-- 20:39 * magnuse wishes all of #koha a fine time of the day and wanders off to an early night 20:35 magnuse bywater++ # just because 20:32 NateC np :) 20:32 wizzyrea :) 20:32 wizzyrea cool ty 20:32 NateC MassCat 20:32 wizzyrea do you know, does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) 20:31 cait fredericd: I still can't moderate the suggestions on Pootle :( 20:31 NateC hi wizzyrea! 20:31 wizzyrea is NateC still around? 20:30 jcamins s/n// 20:30 jcamins n:) 20:27 wizzyrea ...wow that's epic 20:27 wahanui jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. 20:27 cait jcamins? 20:25 library_systems_guy gotta go talk to me boss bbl 20:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #116: "slef: It's probably some corrupt mix of double-encoding or ISO-8859-1 mislabelled as MARC-8 and the problem is rather similar to trying to reconstruct a pig from sausages, sorry." (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, January 21, 2011) 20:25 wizzyrea @quote random 20:25 magnuse :-) 20:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:25 huginn magnuse: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:25 magnuse @quote ransom 20:25 magnuse ooh, what are the chances of that? 20:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) 20:25 wizzyrea @quote random 20:25 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:25 magnuse @quote random 20:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:25 huginn magnuse: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. 20:25 magnuse @quote get random 20:21 jcamins Yup. 20:21 wizzyrea of course, he'll remember that every time we quote get that 20:20 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there 20:20 wizzyrea wahanui: forget Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? 20:20 oleonard Adios #koha 20:20 wahanui Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is probably a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:20 jcamins Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? 20:20 magnuse yay! 20:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:19 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:19 wizzyrea @quote get 123 20:19 magnuse hehe 20:19 wahanui somebody said marc was the standard that isn't 20:19 magnuse marc? 20:19 jcamins cait: the reason it's odd that I don't share any names with my wife is that I already have a hyphenated last name. 20:19 magnuse thanks library_systems_guy 20:19 * magnuse turns out norwegian in xslt was probably not a good idea 20:18 library_systems_guy * library_systems_guy agrees with magnuse 20:18 * cait saw that hashtag coming 20:18 magnuse #marcmustdie 20:18 magnuse jcamins: i made xslts for normarc - and thought i might as well have them in norwegian, since only norwegians would be using them 20:18 cait jcamins: not sure you really want to know that... 20:17 jcamins magnuse: why are there different XSLTs? 20:17 magnuse cait: nah, it will mostly be the same as in english, i think 20:17 cait s 20:17 cait or having double name 20:17 cait jcamins: not so uncommon here 20:16 cait i will have to translate it all again if you do that 20:16 * magnuse does not share any names with his wife either 20:16 cait and don't 20:16 cait it's ok 20:16 magnuse cait: my plan is to translate the norwegian xslt into english, but not sure when 20:16 wizzyrea bg: does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) 20:16 jcamins magnuse: thanks. People get doubly confused when they learn that my wife and I do not share any names. 20:16 magnuse um, flame war may not have been the word i was looking for 20:15 magnuse cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dooku 20:15 cait ;) 20:15 * cait better goes back to translate norwegian 20:15 library_systems_guy a flame war? 20:15 magnuse hehe, yeah let's have a little flame war about wikis! ;-) 20:15 * wizzyrea pats cait 20:14 cait yes.. I know I am an outsider 20:14 * magnuse thinks jcamins has the coolest last name 20:14 wizzyrea noo not doku >.< 20:14 * cait hides 20:14 cait magnuse... or if we could go back to dokuwiki... 20:13 * jcamins corrects himself: *everyone* gets confused by my last name. Some people just stay confused even after they've seen it written. 20:13 * magnuse discovers that the wiki is already semantic (cool!) - now if we only had http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Maps ... 20:13 library_systems_guy yeah the away kept throwing me off :p 20:13 jcamins Okay, some people get confused by my last name. 20:13 * bg = brendan at ByWater - hiya 20:13 library_systems_guy she was the one that told me to get the latest version from master 20:12 library_systems_guy nicole was just here 20:12 library_systems_guy yeah i got you and ian 20:12 jcamins library_systems_guy: incidentally, in case you didn't recognize me, I'm Jared from ByWater. 20:12 library_systems_guy synergy failed me 20:12 magnuse yay, he came back! 20:12 library_systems_guy back 20:12 library_systems_guy nope 20:12 magnuse oh no, is he gone? 20:11 library_guy :'( 20:11 library_guy killed my first choice in username 20:11 library_guy dang 20:11 library_guy oh yeah xchat ftw 20:10 cait oh, less to type :) 20:10 library_systems_guy magnuse stairs work well 20:09 * magnuse is plotting how to get rid of the mac and use linux full time 20:07 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Translations update for 3.2.7 20:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #13: FIXED in 37 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/13/ 20:07 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 20:07 library_systems_guy lol well i might give xchat a quick look 20:07 wizzyrea jcamins: i know it is! 20:07 jcamins Of course, I switched to a Mac, but I was perfectly happy with Ubuntu, and before that FreeBSD, for years. 20:06 cait library_systems_guy: it works for me, only nickserv is complaining everytime I log on 20:06 library_systems_guy im using ubuntu 20:06 library_systems_guy so im stuck using mibbit 20:06 jcamins wizzyrea: Ubuntu's really cool. 20:06 * wizzyrea is trying hard to like running Ubuntu. Really. 20:06 library_systems_guy oh maybe thats what it is...the connect just fails for me 20:05 cait what's your problem? 20:05 cait if you are asking about the identify thing... that doesn't work for me 20:05 wizzyrea I actually like colloquy better than most irc clients :P 20:05 cait wwhoho magnuse 20:05 * sekjal also uses Colloquy when he's on a Mac 20:05 * magnuse started using bip yesterday! 20:04 library_systems_guy what were your settings cait? mine keeps failing 20:04 wizzyrea (with bip_ 20:04 * magnuse uses Colloquy on Mac (but not for long) and Xchat on Ubuntu 20:04 wizzyrea Colloquy, usually 20:04 cait I do 20:04 sekjal library_systems_guy: XChat-GNOME 20:04 oleonard Chatzilla here 20:04 * jcamins uses irssi 20:04 library_systems_guy do you guys use pidgin for IRC? 20:03 wizzyrea hehehe 20:03 library_systems_guy ...man where is the bad pun user 20:03 cait koha_friends++ 20:03 library_systems_guy wizzyrea: those sys admins will be trying to keep you up all the time 20:02 magnuse koha_friends++ 20:02 library_systems_guy lol oleonard 20:02 wizzyrea what he doesn't realize is... once you get involved with koha they're all your friends :P 20:02 magnuse yeah, you could just place the pin smack in the center of "your" town 20:02 cait hi bg 20:02 oleonard library_systems_guy: We call those Twitter followers nowadays 20:01 cait mediawiki... 20:01 huginn bg: The current temperature in Bel Air Knolls, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (1:00 PM PDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to 6 am PDT Saturday... 20:01 bg @wunder 93109 20:01 magnuse could be done quite easily with Semantic Mediawiki... 20:01 wizzyrea [probably not to my house] 20:01 library_systems_guy cool...until i get a koha stalker 20:01 wizzyrea i mean, to the town level 20:01 cait cool 20:01 wizzyrea i vote cool 20:00 oleonard :P 20:00 wizzyrea showoff 20:00 * magnuse wonders if a map supplement to this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars would be cool or creepy 20:00 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (4:00 PM EDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). 20:00 oleonard @wunder 45701 20:00 library_systems_guy nah not bad 20:00 magnuse just very wet at the moment 20:00 wizzyrea nah, not too cold 20:00 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 20:00 wizzyrea @wunder Bodo NOrway 20:00 cait magnuse: oops 20:00 huginn wizzyrea: downloading the Perl source 20:00 wizzyrea @wundero Bodo Norway 20:00 library_systems_guy oh nice, then we are kind of close 19:59 wizzyrea he's from plano 19:59 library_systems_guy magnuse: is it cold there heh 19:59 oleonard library_systems_guy: You'll sometimes see another Texan around here, schuster 19:59 library_systems_guy w00t Kansas 19:59 * magnuse is in Bodø, Norway - above the Arctic Circle (just) 19:59 library_systems_guy oh yeah...probably should have picked up on that from all the lang comments 19:59 * wizzyrea is only two states away in Kansas 19:58 cait Konstanz, Germany 19:58 magnuse cait: log on as test1/test1 here http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=staff-client and have a look at XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay 19:58 library_systems_guy cait: where are you? 19:58 cait oh, farfar away 19:58 library_systems_guy Tyler Tx 19:58 cait where are you from library_systems_guy? 19:57 * oleonard thinks jcamins_away should come back already 19:57 cait he really fits in 19:57 library_systems_guy *thinks jcamins_away should bake us cookies* 19:57 wizzyrea WHOA 19:57 jcamins_away 10 lbs/$3! 19:57 wizzyrea oooo 19:57 jcamins_away Flour was on sale at the local supermarket! 19:57 wizzyrea cookies? 19:57 library_systems_guy mmhm i loves some cookies 19:57 jcamins_away Hey, guess what! 19:56 jcamins_away Mmm. 19:56 wizzyrea cookies? 19:56 * wizzyrea perks up 19:56 cait library_systems_guy: be careful mentioning cookies on #koha and you will be fine 19:56 wizzyrea http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chantard 19:55 wizzyrea i'm guessing chantard would be in the urban dictionary 19:55 cait dict.leo.org :) 19:55 wizzyrea :D 19:55 cait so does leo 19:55 cait yep 19:55 wizzyrea google translate says obnoxious is widerwärtig 19:55 cait chantard 19:55 wizzyrea uh 19:54 wizzyrea obnoxious? 19:54 cait ok, my dictionary does not know the word 19:54 magnuse hey NateC 19:54 * magnuse goes to look up chantard (nah, not really) 19:54 cait and chantard 19:53 * cait goes to look up obnoxious 19:53 wizzyrea and tasty 19:53 library_systems_guy i used to be a chantard *hangs head in shame* 19:53 wizzyrea well that's true 19:53 jcamins_away wizzyrea: are you sure? Any day ending in 'y' which includes my presence on #koha is silly. 19:53 * wizzyrea tries to think of something obnoxious to say in german... fails. 19:53 library_systems_guy you definitely don't have to worry about scarring me off 19:53 magnuse you don't want to know! 19:53 wizzyrea he just HAPPENS to have appeared on friday, the silliest day of the week in #koha 19:52 cait if oyu have German... what did I copy into the German file? 19:52 * cait hides 19:52 * jcamins_away thinks library_systems_guy fits in great here, and there's no need to worry about scaring him off. 19:52 cait nah, can't be 19:52 magnuse hey cait: as a tradeoff, there is some german in the norwegian interface, i think it's a syspref description... 19:52 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot kids 19:52 wizzyrea wahanui: forget the kids 19:52 library_systems_guy jk...pizza all around 19:52 wahanui the kids are off for 8 weeks here 19:52 wizzyrea the kids? 19:52 library_systems_guy indeed...make sure they eat their veggies 19:52 cait do you want to scare them? 19:51 wizzyrea give the kids hugs and kisses from us :P 19:51 magnuse have fun rangi 19:51 wizzyrea the name is the worst part :P 19:51 * magnuse votes for running a dev install too 19:51 wizzyrea (seriously, it's really better in lots of ways) 19:51 rangi bbl 19:50 rangi ok time to feed the kids 19:50 cait no, she can't ... but working on pref file right now 19:50 library_systems_guy heh 19:50 jcamins_away library_systems_guy: it's not nearly as scary as it sounds. 19:50 library_systems_guy lol the devs have it 19:50 * magnuse is slightly afraid of scaring library_systems_guy away with silly banter 19:50 rangi magnuse: she can't just click skip :P 19:50 * wizzyrea votes for running a dev install too 19:50 * jcamins_away thinks that you should run a dev install and report bugs. 19:49 rangi if you are installing from git, running a dev install makes more sense 19:49 * magnuse hangs his head in shame 19:49 magnuse rangi, cait: ah yes, that... 19:49 cait actually he said that i am crazy 19:49 rangi or run a dev install 19:49 library_systems_guy wizzyrea: yeah I am, perhaps I should just wait until the official release so the templating is good to go 19:49 rangi magnuse: the normarc xslt 19:49 rangi perfectionism 19:49 * wizzyrea watches this conversation with amusement 19:48 rangi but no .. she HAS TO 19:48 cait :P 19:48 rangi i told you not to translate it 19:48 magnuse rangi: why is cait translating norwegian? 19:48 cait hehe 19:48 wizzyrea i tease, I tease 19:48 * wizzyrea chants "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" 19:48 cait ask rangi 19:48 cait long story 19:48 * cait is trying 19:48 magnuse cait: are you translating norwegian? 19:48 cait I am not sure what you paid the person who signed-off on that 19:48 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 19:48 wizzyrea magnuse? 19:47 wizzyrea ? 19:47 wizzyrea magnuse 19:47 cait that would be more fun than translating norwegian! 19:47 wizzyrea magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 19:47 magnuse cait: 16311? Did you guys add another 10000 bugs while i was eating pizza or summat? 19:47 cait magnuse? 19:47 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot magnuse 19:47 wizzyrea wahanui: forget magnuse 19:47 cait lol 19:46 * cait grumbles a little 19:46 wizzyrea that just won't do 19:46 magnuse :-O 19:46 wizzyrea LOL 19:46 wahanui magnuse is, like, so mean... :P 19:46 wizzyrea magnuse? 19:46 wizzyrea nah, it was deserving of emphasis ;) 19:46 magnuse opps caps lock 19:46 magnuse THOUGHT SO 19:45 wahanui cait is a competent programmer AND really sweet. 19:45 magnuse cait? 19:45 wizzyrea almost! 19:45 cait 16311 *SIGH* 19:45 magnuse ah, time to go home and enjoy the weekend? 19:44 wizzyrea almost 3pm 19:44 cait oh, I want to visit rangi too 19:44 * magnuse sets the teleporter to wellington, nz 19:44 rangi hi magnuse 19:44 magnuse wizzyrea: what's the time in your neck of the woods? 19:44 cait wizzyrea: feel kind of close to you now :) 19:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 19:43 rangi @wunder wellington nz 19:43 rangi could check the file is in the right place 19:43 wizzyrea on all counts 19:43 wizzyrea brr 19:43 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.2�C (2:45 PM CDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Steady). 19:43 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 19:43 magnuse light? rather heavy, akshuly 19:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.1�C (9:40 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady). 19:43 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:43 cait hehe for you too magnuse 19:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 19:43 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 19:43 magnuse and happy friday night cait 19:43 magnuse happy saturday morning rangi! 19:43 cait hi magnuse 19:40 wizzyrea library_systems_guy: so you're still getting the problem? 19:39 cait morning rangi 19:33 library_systems_guy it has to be the build 19:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 13 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #11 10 j ago) 19:26 library_systems_guy ok, ill re-run it and see if that does it 19:26 rangi and yep, if it cant find that file, then the install is messed up 19:25 library_systems_guy standard 19:25 rangi dev or standard? 19:24 library_systems_guy make test after make 19:24 rangi ? 19:24 rangi make install 19:24 rangi make 19:24 rangi perl Makefile.pl 19:24 rangi how did you do the install? 19:24 library_systems_guy rangi: fair enough 19:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Translations update for 3.2.7 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cdc307c267d69b633140f1a460e7abed0863d02> 19:22 rangi specially when the week before the release manager warns people not to upgrade if they are running master in production, its not the unstable branch for nothing 19:21 library_systems_guy sad day 19:21 library_systems_guy i can see that 19:21 library_systems_guy -_- 19:20 wizzyrea running from master is occasionally dangerous >.> 19:20 library_systems_guy hmm 19:20 cait no idea then 19:19 cait hm. but for a new install it should work anyway 19:19 library_systems_guy no its definitely english 19:19 cait is your browser preferring another language over english? 19:18 cait only a very wild guess 19:14 library_systems_guy everything seemed normal during the install 19:13 library_systems_guy yeah i installed that one 19:13 cait yes 19:13 library_systems_guy package* 19:13 library_systems_guy the libtemplate-perl packate 19:13 cait you installed the package for template toolkit? 19:12 library_systems_guy do you guys think the error I posted before is because I might have messed up the install? 19:09 cait hehe 19:09 gmcharlt *splat* 19:09 cait or I thought I did but had an midair collision with gmcharlt :) 19:07 cait jcamins_away: I added a comment 19:07 * jcamins_away isn't working today, and goes back to not being here. 19:07 library_systems_guy ok so i just did a fresh install to see if that would solve my git install problem. When I load the staff client for init i get this error: "Template process failed: file error - doc-head-open.inc: not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 119." 19:06 cait I think there is some magic involved there, that I don't understand yet ;) 19:06 jcamins_away cait: right, see, that proves that they're more powerful. 19:06 cait jcamins: not sure how fast our servers are - they live on an esx farm 19:06 jcamins_away Not an issue anymore, thank goodness. :) 19:05 gmcharlt jcamins_away: oy. really wonder about the implementation, then 19:04 jcamins_away gmcharlt: no, that worked. 19:04 gmcharlt jcamins_away: and would seem to be tantamount to it crashing whenever more than one person tried a normal search simultaneously ... 19:04 jcamins_away I haven't tried since I left there, 'cause it was never something I cared about anyway. 19:04 jcamins_away Yah. 19:04 wizzyrea well that's a bad problem :P 19:03 jcamins_away gmcharlt: the problem we had with this was that the system invariably crashed if two people tried to follow the link at the same time. 19:03 gmcharlt jcamins_away: granted, it would be more more expensive than a direct retrieval on an indexed DB column like bilbionumber 19:03 library_systems_guy ill see if that does it for me 19:03 library_systems_guy cool 19:03 wahanui it has been said that template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl 19:03 wizzyrea template toolkit? 19:02 wizzyrea Template Toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl 19:02 gmcharlt library_systems_guy: Template 19:02 jcamins_away library_systems_guy: apt-get install libtemplate-perl 19:02 jcamins_away gmcharlt: in that case I will have to blame a misconfiguration. 19:02 library_systems_guy does anybody know the cpan module for template toolkit? 19:01 gmcharlt jcamins_away: ? a Zebra search that by its nature returns a single hit isn't that expensive an operation 19:00 * jcamins_away thinks probably you have a big powerful server, and not the itsy bitsy server that his former employer wanted to use. 18:59 cait we never got any complaints - it's not as fast as biblionumber though 18:58 gmcharlt and, for that matter, a search on 001 isn't *that* expensive, assuming you've got in indexed in Zebra correctly 18:58 cait what do you think about it? 18:58 gmcharlt cait: well, it's not an either/or 18:57 cait I would like this solution better 18:57 cait I can't help, but playing around with internal primary keys make me shudder 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids 18:57 jcamins_away Say... wouldn't you like to suggest that on bug 6113? 18:57 jcamins_away cait++ 18:57 cait yep 18:57 jcamins_away And it could be VARCHAR. 18:57 jcamins_away I like that idea. 18:56 cait it could be mapped and copied into a database table too 18:56 jcamins_away The column "controlnumber" could be derived from marcxml. 18:55 * jcamins_away personally thinks that durable URLs just aren't that important, but he's alone in that. 18:55 cait derived data? 18:55 jcamins_away Yeah, but that would add more derived data. 18:55 cait what will you do when one of those internal numbers is alphanumeric, or too long, has leading zeros... 18:54 cait so, probably a new column in biblio would make it faster? 18:54 cait so it's the time it takes to open the search? 18:54 cait I see that 18:54 jcamins_away 'Snot. 18:54 cait I am so used to using the control number from our union catalog everywhere 18:54 jcamins_away If it were possible to have a link to http://catalog/001/whatever, and not bring your catalog to the knees, that would be perfect. 18:53 cait sorry, my whole world works like that :) 18:53 cait hm 18:53 cait I see that 18:53 jcamins_away cait: because linking to a search on 001 is very expensive. 18:53 gmcharlt cait: the desired outcome is to keep the bib ID the same from previous ILS to Koha 18:53 cait it's not a good idea 18:52 cait jcamins: what you say 18:52 cait I don't understand the whole problem really - using 001 and $w should be enough, not sure why you need to make some strange number the internal number. I think it will probably only cause a lot of trouble :( 18:52 jcamins_away As far as I can tell, the biblionumber will always be the next available, even if it shouldn't be. 18:52 jcamins_away How does one modify the data to ensure that the biblionumber is consistent? 18:52 cait jcamins: was about to ask slef something about it too :) 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids 18:51 jcamins_away slef: question about your response to bug 6113. 18:51 cait hi slef :) 18:47 slef hi all 18:37 cait :) 18:37 * cait is a bit slow today 18:36 gmcharlt right 18:36 cait to file the bug report 18:36 cait ah 18:36 cait gmcharlt: sorry? 18:36 cait hm? 18:36 jwagner That's a thought. It'll have to go on the back burner for now, though, but at least I have a better idea what the search is (not) doing. Thanks. 18:36 gmcharlt ;) 18:36 gmcharlt oh, wait 18:36 gmcharlt cait: touch_all_biblios.pl isn't smart enough to do that yet 18:35 cait and file a bug report 18:34 gmcharlt run touch_all_biblios.pl and index ... and it should work 18:34 gmcharlt write a cronjob to set biblioitems.totalissues 18:33 jwagner Argh,.... 18:33 gmcharlt on the other hand, at least it can be worked around 18:33 gmcharlt ... which gets set by ... nothing 18:30 gmcharlt Zebra is grabbing a total loans count from the bib 942$0 18:29 gmcharlt but NB - it's only NoZebra that checking issues directly 18:28 jwagner and no one has ever updated it, I guess. That would explain it, at least. Thanks. 18:28 gmcharlt jwagner: that bit of code probably predates the split of issues and old_issues 18:28 cait nothing new there 18:28 jcamins_away C4::Search-- 18:27 jwagner I don't think I'm misreading it -- in Search.pm 18:27 druthb yeah, the total issues number, or even counting off of old_issues (*shudder*) 18:26 jwagner Doesn't seem terribly useful, no. I was expecting something based on the number of checkouts total. 18:24 druthb that doesn't make much sense. 18:23 jwagner found the code, it looks like it's counting from the issues table, so that would be based on current checkouts only? 18:20 jwagner oleonard or anyone else who might know -- in the OPAC search results, where you can change sort order, is the Popularity entry based on circulation? 18:09 * oleonard knows that wizzyrea knows that Chrome did it first 17:50 tcohen #koha, have a nice weekend 17:49 tcohen wizzyrea: if u don't use ff4 and hence pin tab 'as an app' you should use 'morning coffee' ff extension :-D 17:22 cait :) 17:22 * druthb waves to cait. 17:19 * cait waves 17:16 wizzyrea no, actually. I had so much trouble with FF4 that I went back to chrome :( 17:15 conan wizzyrea: have you checked out firefox 4 tab management? 17:10 wizzyrea the other 20 tabs are whatever else I'm working on that day ;) 17:09 wizzyrea teh 4th for my amusement only ;) 17:09 wizzyrea there are 4 tabs I always have open: that one, the version control using git, my test install, and google reader :P 17:09 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 17:07 * conan looks in the wiki for some signoff tutorial and grabs a fork and knife 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5667 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, koha-conf.xml missing entry for z39.50 publicserver 16:17 tcohen an asado for those who sign-off bug 5667 :-D 16:01 conan cool, thanks, will put my hands on it now 16:00 gmcharlt paul_p is easy to find :) 16:00 gmcharlt good idea 15:57 conan so should I comment the invalid inserts and get in touch with the original authors? 15:57 conan the file where I found those are dumps from Poulain, I didn't wanted to break anything for someone else 15:57 gmcharlt should be actual values, or at least plausible default values 15:56 gmcharlt conan: don't do the fixme, IMO; if you don't have values yet 15:55 conan gmcharlt: cool, and the other one? 15:55 gmcharlt conan: use NULL, not '' 15:49 kf rhcl: tired - me nick kf doesn't work :) 15:47 hdl let me know 15:47 hdl if you see one though on koha-devel or koha-patches, or any koha-* list 15:47 chris_n hdl++ 15:46 * chris_n cheers 15:46 chris_n cool! 15:46 hdl chris_n: I filtered them. 15:42 rhcl why the sigh kf? 15:32 kf *sighs* 15:32 * kf_mtg nick kf 15:30 conan gmcharlt: when you have time, would you take a look at http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035450.html and tell me about both questions? 15:30 oleonard Makes me thinks of LCARS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS 15:26 NCAR u2 15:26 wizzyrea sure thing, have a great weekend :) 15:26 NCAR Thanks fer yer help, Lady. 15:25 NCAR but instead, i'm going to get the heck outta here...it's Friday and I've had enough screentime. :) 15:25 wizzyrea :) many here could 15:25 NCAR haha. yes, i could sit here and complain all day about why i hated Sirsi... 15:24 wizzyrea yea, none of that "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" nonsense 15:23 NCAR i never had that with Sirsi 15:23 NCAR partly b/c i feel like i have better access to the (huge) brains behind it 15:23 wizzyrea well you can look directly at the data, that's handy. 15:23 NCAR i do have more confidence in the Koha stats though 15:23 wizzyrea does seem odd 15:22 NCAR it's odd 15:22 NCAR i dunno why our circ would've dropped in 09 15:22 NCAR we're a special library...atmospheric research 15:22 wizzyrea just when people need you most. so maddening. 15:21 wizzyrea that 15:21 wizzyrea ^^ 15:21 oleonard Unless your state slashes your budget and you have to cut your hours 15:21 wizzyrea what type of library is yours, ncar? 15:21 wizzyrea though circ usually goes up when the economy is bad 15:21 wizzyrea economic downturn? 15:21 wizzyrea slow year? 15:21 wizzyrea yea, i'm not sure what to attribute 76% to lol 15:20 NCAR well, i guess i'll explain the discrepancy by saying our Sirsi nos may've been calculated differently AND we may actually be seeing more circ due to ease of Koha use. 15:20 wizzyrea with many more items 15:20 wizzyrea and that's despite the fact that we came out of a much larger consortium 15:19 wizzyrea our circ did seem to increase once we got into koha 15:19 wizzyrea yes, that is true 15:19 NCAR and your circulation seemed to increase once you had Koha in place? 15:19 wizzyrea (part of me can't believe we made that mistake, thinking about it now... of course you wouldn't count a checkin as a circulation) 15:19 NCAR oh 15:19 wizzyrea nope, with the returns our sirsi numbers were much lower 15:18 NCAR so ur Sirsi numbers were actually higher than your Koha nos 15:18 wizzyrea but you're not counting those 15:18 NCAR mm 15:18 wizzyrea so we had inflated stats because of that 15:18 wizzyrea because you return things to trigger transfers 15:17 NCAR right 15:17 wizzyrea and like i said, checkins in koha don't really mean anything statistically 15:17 wizzyrea well we were actually counting checkins as well as renewals, and issues 15:17 NCAR and how did you discover it 15:17 NCAR in what ways were your circ stats skewed in Unicorn? 15:16 NCAR but that's neither here nor there 15:16 NCAR since it's way easier for patrons to renew in Koha 15:16 wizzyrea hm 15:16 NCAR we'll probably get more now 15:15 NCAR no 15:15 wizzyrea do you get a lot of renewals? 15:15 NCAR i know! 15:15 NCAR could be 15:15 wizzyrea 76% is a weird jump 15:15 NCAR so, who the hell knows. 15:15 NCAR and 76% more than the FY09 stats 15:15 NCAR That's about 20% more than our FY08 stats from Sirsi 15:14 wizzyrea as checkouts? 15:14 wizzyrea maybe sirsi doesn't count the renewals? 15:14 library_systems_guy but its not available in sysprefs on the gui 15:14 wizzyrea that's checkouts *and* renewals 15:14 NCAR anyway, extrapolating would give me 2000 for 12 mos 15:14 library_systems_guy and i got the pref i was looking for 15:14 library_systems_guy so i just ran select * from systempreferences where variable like '%waiting%'; 15:14 NCAR sry 15:14 library_systems_guy yeah it is 15:14 NCAR no, 1000 15:14 NCAR we've only been on Koha for about 6 mos and it's saying we've had around 2000 checkouts over that time. 15:13 sekjal if the About page is still displaying wrong, it could be an issue with variable names in the .tt files 15:13 library_systems_guy so that rules out the database? 15:13 library_systems_guy ok 15:13 sekjal cool 15:13 library_systems_guy and it updated fine 15:12 library_systems_guy yeah thats the one i ran 15:12 NCAR let's see... 15:12 NCAR Well, I gots some old circ stats from Sirsi. 15:12 sekjal library_systems_guy: installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 15:12 NCAR there u r! 15:12 library_systems_guy is that installer in the install directory/ 15:12 wizzyrea oh wait :) 15:11 wizzyrea don't see her... 15:11 * wizzyrea looks around furtively 15:11 NCAR Where's wizzyrea today? 15:11 sekjal 3.03.00.0521 for example 15:11 sekjal if you run the command from the commandline, you can force it through; the web-updater has some restrictions that will cause it to ignore database revision numbers that don't conform to the typical format 15:09 library_systems_guy and the database updated fine 15:09 library_systems_guy so I may be doing this wrong but I tried manually updating the database 15:06 sekjal a "3.03.XXX" instead of a real number 15:06 sekjal so, what you're describing sounds like the DB isn't updating to match the code version... perhaps there is a mis-labeled database revision in updatedatabase.pl 15:05 sekjal some fixes have been backported 15:05 sekjal pretty much all of it is 15:05 nengard if that's all in the other branch then we can use that 15:04 nengard the idea was to see all of the admin changes - sys prefs and all 15:04 nengard sekjal, we don't mind it being unstable, it's for testing purposes, not production at this time 15:03 library_systems_guy oh for the TT2 stuff? 15:03 sekjal current HEAD is unstable as we slay the last of the Template::Toolkit switchover bugs 15:03 sekjal if so, I'd recommend switching off that to the html_template_pro branch 15:02 sekjal is the code on HEAD? 15:02 library_systems_guy and why aren't the actual settings in sysprefs showing 15:02 library_systems_guy so why is it not changing in about 15:02 library_systems_guy correct 15:01 sekjal or close to 15:01 sekjal 052 is current head 15:01 library_systems_guy the actual sysprefs aren't showing up 15:01 library_systems_guy odd part: 15:00 library_systems_guy So the version number in sysprefs is x.052 however the version number in about is x.032 14:59 sekjal I had a problem updating this morning, with one of the serials template files 14:58 sekjal updating to the latest HEAD? 14:58 sekjal so, wait, how is git hosed? 14:57 nengard library_systems_guy mumbles "oh man" 14:57 druthb that's not as panic-stricken as you might think, library_systems_guy. Do a git clone of the repo to a new directory, delete your current one, and rename the new. 14:57 nengard but we don't have them all 14:57 library_systems_guy and git is hosed 14:57 nengard where i'm trying to help train on sys prefs 14:56 nengard sekjal library_systems_guy is elliot at tyler 14:56 sekjal nengard: here 14:56 library_systems_guy fantastic...looks like ill have to pull a windows and...delete everything 14:56 * druthb perks. 14:55 nengard sekjal druthb i need you!! :) hehe 14:55 oleonard I have no idea 14:55 nengard so what's going on here - is the system borked? 14:53 library_systems_guy ha 14:52 francharb :) 14:52 oleonard Thank goodness for tab-completion though francharb! 14:52 francharb library_systems_guy: best nickname ever! ;) 14:52 oleonard Sounds like your update didn't complete properly 14:51 library_systems_guy is not available in sysprefs 14:51 library_systems_guy for example the setting WaitingNotifyAtCheckin 14:51 oleonard What do you mean by "actual setting?" 14:50 library_systems_guy but system prefs is correct on version number 14:50 library_systems_guy interesting bit however, the about page still says V.32 14:49 library_systems_guy however the actual setting didn't 14:49 library_systems_guy the version number showed in in sysprefs 14:48 oleonard Your version number has been updated in the database but the new number doesn't show up in system preferences? 14:48 library_systems_guy ohh my bad...I mean in systems prefs in the staff client 14:48 chris_n oleonard: replying to digests is another issue as well 14:48 oleonard What showing up where? 14:47 oleonard library_systems_guy: I meant I don't know what you mean by "showing up on the front end" 14:47 library_systems_guy sadly 14:47 oleonard chris_n: That same list rejected any message in which the default footer wasn't trimmed in the person's reply 14:47 library_systems_guy oleonard: negative 14:47 oleonard library_systems_guy: Showing up on the front end? 14:46 oleonard chris_n: I've been on a mailing list that automatically rejected them. 14:46 library_systems_guy oleonard: if the systems prefs updated in the database but its not showing up on the front end does that mean im missing files? 14:45 * chris_n idly wonders if the listserver could be setup to filter based on the phrase "out of office"... ;-) 14:44 sekjal awesome! I'll get that bundled up, and add the support to notices other than Holds and Overdues 14:43 rhcl yep. perfectly. Today was the first day with results 14:43 sekjal rhcl: thanks. I take it that it's working as intended on your system? 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, today's date on notices 14:42 rhcl would that be bug 5197 14:42 rhcl sekjal++ <for coding feverishly and fervishly all last weekend to add <date> to notices> 14:41 nengard grrrrrrr 14:39 library_systems_guy no new git goodness on a fresh fetch 14:39 nengard would a fetch solve that? 14:38 library_systems_guy looks like im missing files o_0 14:38 library_systems_guy so one pref that was added last night was WaitingNotifyAtCheckin 14:36 library_systems_guy so the upgrade version was to 3.03.00.052 14:35 library_systems_guy ok...hmm 14:35 wahanui hdl: I forgot nengard 14:35 hdl wahanui: forget nengard 14:35 oleonard I got that same error library_systems_guy 14:35 druthb both of those should be fine, library_systems_guy. 14:35 wahanui nengard is an overworked open source educator 14:35 hdl wahanui: nengard ? 14:35 library_systems_guy Duplicate key name 'itemstocknumberidx' 14:35 library_systems_guy and 14:35 library_systems_guy Can't DROP 'itemsstocknumberidx'; 14:35 hdl nengard is an overworked open source educator 14:35 library_systems_guy 2 entries failed 14:34 gmcharlt well, allegedly vufund, as you know 14:34 wahanui hdl: I forgot nengard 14:34 hdl wahanui: forget nengard 14:34 library_systems_guy script = fail 14:34 hdl gmcharlt: and you know some ils-di consumers ? 14:34 nengard now she's an overworked open source educator :) 14:34 nengard not so much anymore 14:34 wahanui i guess nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ 14:34 druthb wahanui: nengard? 14:33 gmcharlt hdl: I don't know of any 14:33 druthb installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 14:33 wahanui ...but that is a risk you have to take... ;-)... 14:33 nengard wahanui that is not helpful 14:33 druthb hi nengard! :) 14:33 wahanui it has been said that the script is here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) 14:33 nengard where is the script? 14:33 nengard hi druthb!! :) 14:33 druthb with an empty database, it shouldn't hurt anything to run updatedatabase manually. 14:32 nengard we're not talking to each other in this room - can you tell??? 14:31 library_systems_guy the db is empty 14:31 nengard there's no data in there yet 14:31 library_systems_guy i don't think so 14:31 nengard i don't know .. would it? :) 14:31 jwagner nengard, would it hurt anything to just run the update database script manually? 14:30 nengard so we need a way to get it to pull the most recent updates cause it doesn't appear to be doing so 14:29 library_systems_guy phew 14:29 library_systems_guy ok verified, took the right steps during setup 14:28 mtj oops, s/4/3/ 14:28 hdl provider 14:28 gmcharlt hdl1: provider or conumer? 14:28 mtj that the db version only likes *1* period, but elsewhere *4* periods are the norm, is a gotcha for most 14:27 hdl1 gmcharlt: nengard do you kow any open ils-di service that I could test against say a vufind instance or else... It is to check ils-di implementation in Koha. 14:26 library_systems_guy one sec...verifying i took the right steps in the wiki 14:25 nengard :) 14:25 nengard library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something 14:25 nengard yup, that's what i put in the sys pref box 14:25 mtj ie: watch the '.'s 14:24 mtj rather than '3.03.00.030' 14:24 nengard i had him to a git fetch and rebase this morning 14:24 mtj fyi: yr version value in yr db, should be '3.0300030' 14:24 library_systems_guy when i was doing a rebase is said origin master so I'm pretty sure i was 14:23 wizzyrea is really my go to reference for stuff like this 14:23 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:23 wizzyrea ? 14:23 wizzyrea ok, and you're tracking origin/master 14:22 library_systems_guy git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 14:22 library_systems_guy here is the git repo i checked out from 14:22 wizzyrea apt name :) 14:22 library_systems_guy hey guys 14:21 nengard hang on here comes the library systems guy 14:21 nengard i just manually changed the version sys pref and it updated only to 032 ... i'm confused 14:21 magnuse what does kohaversion.pl say? it had XXX in it some time yesterday 14:21 nengard right 14:20 wizzyrea 52 is from yesterday 14:20 wizzyrea so something in the 50's 14:20 nengard we're testing 14:19 nengard master 14:19 mtj nengard: what version are you expecting them to upgrade too? 14:18 oleonard The "Local use" tab 14:17 nengard what was the url for the old sys prefs editor? 14:17 nengard so it is back 14:17 nengard the version number is set to 3.03.032 14:17 nengard ago 14:17 oleonard manually set back the version number in system preferences? That should trigger the update database process 14:17 nengard just did a rebase a second abot 14:17 nengard yes 14:17 wizzyrea and they're on their rebased branch? 14:15 nengard but i don't know what i did :) 14:15 nengard i know i had this issue before and there was some git magic 14:15 nengard their version is wrong 14:15 wizzyrea ;) 14:15 nengard they have rebased but they're not being prompted to update 14:15 nengard okay question is this 14:15 nengard wizzyrea just got your message - and you can submit a patch anytime :) hehe 14:14 wizzyrea go :) 14:14 nengard morning #koha - i'm training a new library and i have a question 14:06 wizzyrea (it's a joke) 14:06 wizzyrea (im not really serious, but it does seem like it might not fit so well :P) 14:06 wizzyrea call numbers over 30 characters won't fit on a spine label? :P 14:05 tcohen_rebase_-i question: is there a reason for a 30 char limit for itemcallnumber? 13:56 magnuse \o 13:56 Brooke_ 0/ 13:46 Brooke_ 0/ 13:44 tcohen thanks wizzyrea 13:43 wizzyrea 1:45am 13:43 wizzyrea lessee 13:43 wizzyrea yep 13:43 wizzyrea early in the morning 13:43 tcohen is rangi there? 13:43 tcohen what's the time in wellington? 13:42 conan see you 13:41 tcohen i'll back to kdevelop to do other stuff, bye 13:40 tcohen until the release comes 13:40 tcohen so, between major releases you would find that translations are not complete, or available 13:39 tcohen conan: people code, reach some point, we have a 'string freeze', people prepare .po files for that set of strings and then release with the .po for that release 13:39 magnuse sorry: partial translations *are* "accepted" 13:39 conan ok, now I understand 13:38 conan ah... 13:38 tcohen conan: of course, as there where .po files prepared for that release 13:38 magnuse nope, no partial translations are "accepted" 13:38 conan that's what I don't get, why have we lost previous translations, the ones that are already made 13:38 conan tcohen: yes, but recall I have a 3.2.1 installation that already has the translations 13:37 conan like 'we wont put anything parcial' 13:37 conan magnuse: I've checked a little bit earlier. Do you think the fact that translation is not complete is what is preventing them to appear? 13:37 tcohen strings that are not translated will appear in english I guess, as it s the primary language which trnaslations are based on 13:35 tcohen conan: it is not, indeed 13:35 magnuse "You can start translating!" 13:35 conan tcohen: en install has all .tt files, french install has both .tmpl and tt+xml, and es install has .tt but the strings appear in english, is strange 13:35 magnuse conan, tcohen: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-translate/2011-April/001515.html 13:34 tcohen good morning gmcharlt 13:33 druthb Hi, gmcharlt! 13:33 conan gmcharlt: good indeed 13:33 gmcharlt good morning 13:33 tcohen but i don't work with him on a daily basis 13:32 conan yes, Martin told me 13:32 tcohen then wait for him to answer, he works here at UNC 13:31 conan I sent him a spanish mail today, does he work near you? 13:31 tcohen when we reach string freeze, then translators can start their work 13:31 conan tcohen: bernardo hasn't replied to me yet 13:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6194] Empty Parens on Serials pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6194> 13:30 magnuse as far as i have understood it should be possible to use the same .po files for both .tmpl and .tt 13:30 tcohen i told who was working on that 13:30 conan ah, and who is working on that? should be us? the interested people ;) 13:29 conan and the question is, what should I do to make the value_builder scripts appear translated 13:29 tcohen I think we're just in the string freeze period so there aren't .po files for tt yet 13:28 conan so I guess this has to do with the move to Template::Tollkit 13:28 conan mine is using tt+xml while the old one is using .tmpl 13:28 conan but my installation doesn't 13:28 conan when we check the UI, I see the old has the value_builder scripts translated 13:27 conan and I made a master spanish install today 13:27 tcohen again: what you mean by '...in master are in english'? 13:27 conan tcohen: we have a production installation, which I haven't touched, it was already there when I came 13:26 tcohen you mean you've tried the translation scripts in master with the same .po files and didn't success? 13:25 tcohen i mean, you translated a 3.2.6 instance, what does it have to do with a copy of master you have? 13:23 conan tcohen: yeah, 3.3 in fact 13:23 tcohen master -> 3.4, right? 13:22 conan what does that mean? 13:22 conan however I found that we got translated .tmpl in 3.2.6 but the .tt+.xml in master are in english 13:22 tcohen conan: genial 13:22 Brooke_ awesome :D 13:22 conan tcohen: I was able to test today a spanish installation 13:21 conan tcohen: hi there 12:57 tcohen hi #koha 12:56 Brooke_ 0/ 12:19 Brooke_ busy da, 10 o'clock! 12:19 Brooke_ o/ 12:15 magnuse Hallo! :-D 12:15 Brooke_ Hei :D 12:14 magnuse kia ora Brooke_ 12:13 Brooke_ kia ora! 11:50 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6195] manage tab in opac on serials <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6195> 11:46 jcamins_away That reminds me, I have to update my code. 11:44 jcamins_away Entering your name would be a good start, though. 11:44 jcamins_away You'd probably want to get a symbol from your national library. 11:44 adnc simply my nme 11:44 adnc if I'm doing the catalogin. how woul i write that 11:43 adnc ahh 11:43 jcamins_away It's required for any sort of data interchange. 11:43 jcamins_away Set a default in your frameworks. 11:42 jwagner adnc, it's a $#*& nuisance as far as I'm concerned. Having it marked mandatory is a real pain. 11:42 huginn magnuse: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] 11:42 magnuse @marc 040 11:42 jcamins_away Entering institution. 11:41 adnc does someone know what exactly marc 040 c is? 11:41 magnuse hiya AmitG 11:39 AmitG heya magnuse 11:38 magnuse o/ 11:34 jwagner Hi AmitG 11:34 AmitG heya jwagner 11:29 kf_mtg bbl 11:29 kf_mtg ok, really gone now 11:22 kf_mtg and to make it work for the webinstaller you need both :) 11:22 kf_mtg exactly! :) 11:21 druthb :) 11:21 conan kf_mtg: I get it, translate is for the HTML templates and sql scripts are for the data 11:21 kf_mtg hi druthb :) 11:20 druthb o/ 11:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables 11:20 conan yeah, probably I was asking the wrong questions yesterday, I was working on bug 6175 when I stomp into the language files, I wasn't looking for them, but now I realize it's all related 11:20 kf_mtg and to test them you have to run the translation script - so they show up in the web installer 11:20 kf_mtg the files are not touched by the template translation process, you will have to do it manually 11:19 kf_mtg and then translate them bit by bit 11:19 kf_mtg for the beginning you can just create your new directory in installer/data... and copy over the english files 11:19 kf_mtg you were asking yesterday what else is needed than adding the directory 11:18 kf_mtg the problem is: in order to get your sample files into the web installer you need to install the language 11:18 kf_mtg to get sample files you will have to add the directory - yes 11:18 conan but there is no es-ES under installer/date/mysql/... 11:18 kf_mtg to get the templates translated 11:17 kf_mtg so you don#t have to run the create, run the install 11:17 kf_mtg yep, but you can use the existing language 11:17 conan it will be there for others to use 11:17 conan so I think this approach is better 11:17 kf_mtg http://translate.koha-community.org/es/ 11:17 conan my first task here was to add some authorised values, they were translations of stuff already there 11:17 kf_mtg check misc/translator/po 11:16 kf_mtg I think you should already have a po file for that in your koha 11:16 kf_mtg that looks good to me 11:16 kf_mtg ah 11:16 conan erm... Spanish 11:16 kf_mtg what does es-ES translate to? :) 11:16 conan I wrote him, but haven't received any reply so far 11:16 conan cohen told me yesterday there is some guy working on that 11:16 conan es-ES 11:16 kf_mtg and is it already set up on pootle? 11:15 kf_mtg conan: hm, I wonder - what new language do you need? 11:15 conan thanks 11:15 conan I just started my working day, so we will meet again 11:15 conan but the 'create' parameters probably generates them? 11:15 kf_mtg I have a meeting in 15 minutes, will be back later today 11:14 kf_mtg ok 11:14 conan ok then, I'll try it now 11:14 kf_mtg hm, probably, if there is no po file it will fail or generate untranslated templates 11:14 conan or maybe using 'create' first 11:14 kf_mtg and when you choose another language than english it will look for sample files in the directory, I think it will offer the english sample files when nothing is found there 11:14 conan if I do for a non-existant language it will generate the stuff the same, but it will not be translated 11:13 kf_mtg because the template files for the web installer are not there before that 11:13 conan cool, so it was the same thing then! 11:13 conan ah... 11:13 kf_mtg it will generate all the template files from the po file with the trnaslations, after that the pull down in the web installer will show you the installed language 11:12 kf_mtg for German I do perl translate install de-DE 11:12 kf_mtg and do perl translate install <language-code> 11:12 conan I made a script for that, I forget too 11:12 kf_mtg and then go to misc/translator 11:12 kf_mtg yep :) 11:12 conan the conf one 11:11 kf_mtg export your environment variables like koha tells you (PERL5LIB and the other I always forget) 11:11 kf_mtg after you have run the make process and before you login for the webinstaller 11:11 kf_mtg it's really not a big thing 11:11 kf_mtg ok 11:11 conan no, I'm doing git installations 11:11 kf_mtg and there are dev installs, installs from git, packages etc. - there you have to run a script first 11:11 conan ah... 11:10 kf_mtg it depends how you install koha. there are bigger tarballs of stable releases that already include the installed languages. 11:10 kf_mtg ok 11:10 conan webinstaller 11:10 kf_mtg ok, are we talking about the webinstaller or opac/intranet? 11:10 kf_mtg not a real feature though 11:10 kf_mtg no bug 11:09 conan I mean, is that a feature that the only option is english without running a script, or did I stomp into a bug? 11:06 conan from the point of view of an end user: do I need to run some hidden script to make other languages options appear? 11:05 conan but this is what I don't get: 11:05 kf_mtg tcohen and me were telling you the same thing I think :) 11:05 conan exaclty 11:05 conan I want both, but first I want the deployable menu showing all the options available, I wanna try and see a french installation for example 11:04 kf_mtg frameworks, authorized value lists and such? 11:04 kf_mtg you want to add es-ES sample files I guess? 11:04 conan I guess 11:04 conan so I didn't got clear what was tranlate about 11:04 kf_mtg thosee are connected 11:04 kf_mtg yes 11:04 conan on the other I was talking with cohen about making an es-ES subdir 11:03 conan on one side I got the webinstaller not showing all the possible options in the deployable menu, the first screen 11:03 conan kf_mtg: hello there, yesterday you told me about the translator script, but I think I was talking about two different things 11:01 adnc Ö) 11:01 adnc ohh 11:01 kf_mtg adnc++ for bug reporting 11:00 conan Argentina, you? 10:59 AmitG conan: r u from ? 10:58 AmitG hmm 10:58 conan maybe everybody have their minds on the weekend already 10:58 conan AmitG: channel kind of quiet today 10:56 AmitG heya conan 10:51 conan hi everyone 10:39 adnc the problem occurse only when converting from lower to upper or visa versa 10:38 adnc even with those characters 10:38 adnc it finds the rest very well 10:38 kf afk, will beb ack 10:38 adnc no, actually not. let me test some more cases 10:37 kf do you see similar probles with other capitel/lower case characters from the 'normal' alphabet? 10:37 kf I think the problem is not the lower/upper probably, but the character 10:36 adnc but do hebrew have lowercase and uppercase 10:36 kf hm. icu could be a solution then, it's another form of indexing 10:36 adnc ahh 10:36 kf there are ways to solve that, we have a library with hebrew that works good 10:36 adnc kf, there will be yes 10:35 kf adnc: do you have a lot of diacritica like that in your data? 10:35 kf it's a new featuer I wrote for 3.4 10:35 kf sunitab: very confusing! Record-control-number should not exist in this version 10:23 adnc it does not find the entries which start with a capital İ if you do search with a lower i 10:23 adnc i just see that koha has a problem when searching titles. for example lowercasing capital İ (turkish i). 10:00 sunitab 3.2.6 10:00 kf hm, which version are you using? 10:00 sunitab ok 10:00 kf record-control-number is an index in koha, not used in the 29.50 search options 09:59 kf I am not sure those are related 09:53 sunitab when i try to search for z3950 search i dont get any results 09:52 sunitab the above line is log from zebradaemon-output-log 09:52 sunitab yes it is from z3950 09:52 sunitab yes 09:51 hdl is it for z3950 ? 09:51 AmitG sunitab r u from NCRA 09:51 sunitab yes 09:51 hdl hi sunitab 09:50 AmitG heya sunitab 09:46 sunitab i am getting an error in zebradaemon output as zebrasrv(2) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) i am not able to do any searches in z39.50 hw to sort out this problem 08:45 Oak nothing 08:43 kf hm? 08:43 hdl1 hi kf 08:43 Oak he did'nt wave 08:43 kf hi hdl1 08:28 Oak :) 08:28 Oak hi magnuse 08:28 Oak hi kf 08:27 kf hi Oak and magnuse 08:26 magnuse o/ 08:25 Oak \o 07:53 kf hi AmitG 07:32 AmitG heya kf 07:32 kf hi #koha 07:18 adnc i just see that I do have this file for different languages 07:17 hdl it is in the code 07:17 mtj ./installer/data/mysql/en/fastadd.sql 07:16 hdl ./installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql 07:16 adnc ahh, but where do i find fastadd.sql 07:16 hdl you can use mysql koha -u kohaadmin -p <fastadd.sql 07:16 adnc i don't understand 07:15 adnc mhh 07:15 hdl fastadd.sql 07:15 hdl you can take the installer/data/mysql/en/... 07:15 adnc hdl, where can i do this 07:15 hdl adnc: yep 07:14 adnc is it possible to add fast marc framework after installation? 07:10 hdl hi AmitG 07:10 AmitG hi hdl, julian 07:03 julian hello #koha ! 07:01 francharb hello #koha 06:56 adnc is this the indexing service and why is it warning? 06:56 adnc every five minutes i'm getting this warning 08:55:02-15/04 zebraidx(5218) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) 06:50 Waylon finally caught up? 06:50 Waylon hehe.. hiya! 06:50 Waylon rather slow. :) 06:50 magnuse Waylon: [off] is the one! 06:41 cait ok, have to run, ttyl 06:35 cait there is a suggestion from beda waiting 06:35 cait I go to german, 3.4, review tab, klick on review suggestions on top of the opac entry 06:34 fredericd Could you describe step by step how to reproducte the bug? 06:33 cait looking at the 3.4 opac file 06:33 cait fredericd: I see the buttons now, but can't press them 06:32 fredericd cait: yes, just now. I've added some new permission to you. Confirm me it works as expected. 06:31 cait fredericd: did you get my message? 06:31 cait hm, not sure about that, it's one of mine. but never had problems with it 06:29 adnc i got this per mail 06:28 adnc 08:30:02-15/04 zebraidx(4772) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) 06:26 fredericd http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c18#taggingprefs 06:26 fredericd Tags are added by users on OPAC. You configure tagging persmissions with various sysprefs 06:24 adnc where can one add tags? is this something that needs to be done for every book, or is this a matter of the opac user? 06:23 adnc guten morgen 06:20 fredericd guten morgen alle zusammen 06:18 cait http://translate.koha-community.org/de/ 06:18 adnc still german is a nice language 06:18 cait there will be a lot missing - the new version has a lot of new things to translate 06:18 adnc it is 06:17 cait don't know if it's wonderful 06:17 kmkale aahh 06:17 adnc cait, i deleted the cache of my browser, that helped. now wonderfull german 06:17 cait m 06:17 cait was speaking German to adnc - about how to install languages and activate the 06:16 cait hm? 06:16 kmkale hah 06:16 wahanui well, ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen 06:16 kmkale cait: ^^ ?? 06:16 kmkale hi cait 06:15 cait hi kmkale :) 06:15 cait dann kann man unten am bildschirmrand die sprache umschalten 06:15 cait das ist einer der parameter der auftaucht wenn man nach lang sucht 06:15 cait schalte die sprachauswahl ein 06:13 kmkale Namaskar #koha 06:11 adnc aber immernoch englisch 06:11 adnc da habe ich deutsch markiert 06:10 cait such nach lang 06:10 cait in den systemparametern 06:10 adnc wo legt man dann die sprache für die admin oberflaeche fest, installiert ist sie 06:05 cait ich glaub edann gibt es unterschiedliche benutzer 06:05 adnc cait, ich habe sie einfach auf meine bestehende koha-conf.xml gesetzt und auf /usr/shre/koha/lib das scheint zu gehen 06:00 adnc z.b. KOHA_CONF, ich habe zwar nur eine Instanz, aber womit wird die Variable gesetzt, wenn es mehrere Instanzen gibt und somit mehrere koha-conf.xml? 05:58 cait die pfade hängen mehr von der installationsart ab, denke ich. das ist eine dev Installation 05:58 cait die pfade bei dir sind vermutlich etwas anders, evtl. steht es auch irgendwo in der doku 05:58 adnc es ist eine debian installation hier 05:58 cait export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone 05:57 cait beimir sieht das so aus: 05:57 adnc aber dafür müsste ich wissen womit die variablen gefüllt werden müssen 05:57 cait PERL5LIB und... die andere 05:57 cait und dann einfach nochmal laufen lassen 05:57 adnc cait, morgen. welche denn? 05:57 cait Umgebungsvariablen exportieren 05:57 adnc hello, i was trying to add german to the koha backend. unfortunately I'm getting this error 05:56 adnc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./translate line 25 05:56 adnc Compilation failed in require at ./translate line 25. 05:56 adnc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23. 05:56 adnc Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23. 05:56 adnc ./translate install de-DE 05:33 cait morning AmitG 05:33 AmitG heya cait, space_librarian 05:20 cait :) 05:20 cait hi space_librarian 05:19 space_librarian hey cait! 05:18 cait hi #koha 04:06 jcamins_away I already left a message with huginn, but just in case someone else sees him. 04:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE 04:06 jcamins_away Hey, if anyone sees marcelr, tell him that bug 3072 is ready for sign-off with DOM. 04:03 * jcamins_away chooses to believe that this is perceived as a good thing. ;) 04:01 rangi heh 04:01 * jcamins_away did a migration in-house, and goodness knows y'all heard from me a lot. 04:00 rangi they did it all in house 04:00 rangi exactly 03:59 jcamins_away Did we hear about their attempt to migrate to Koha, or was it so painless that they didn't run into any problems that required help? 03:58 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15611 <-- not free 03:55 eythian and it's slowly taking over the NZ government ;) 03:54 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha <-- thats just the ones who have entered themselves and their coordinates into libwebcats 03:53 rangi info like that, might make the uni and scientific institutions wake up ;-) 03:53 rangi all the schools in Prince Edward Island in canada do 03:53 rangi http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=670254&publicationSubCategoryId=473 03:53 rangi most of the philipines do 03:52 rangi venezualan national library, with 7 million bibliographic records 03:52 jcamins_away That's really cool! 03:52 jcamins_away Thanks. 03:52 jcamins_away Ooh, which 3 organizations? 03:52 rangi UNIDO, UN FAO and WIPO 03:51 rangi the UN uses it, for 3 organisations 03:51 rangi from wellington theosophical society :) to delhi public 03:51 rangi over 1200 libraries around the world run it 03:50 rangi beating the big companies, like sirsidynix, exlibris etc 03:50 Waylon woo! 03:50 rangi koha was the second most installed library system in both public and academic libraries in the US in 2010 03:49 Waylon research grants and academic scholarships and financing.. thats their world. 03:49 rangi its a more sustainable approach 03:49 rangi yep so maybe a page on the site, explaining why 03:49 Waylon but uni's and scientific institutions.. they're a harder nut. 03:49 Waylon oh, boss is already convinced... 03:46 rangi Waylon: http://blip.tv/file/4411674/ 03:45 rangi now there is no excuse for not writing unit tests 03:45 AmitG heya rangi 03:45 rangi http://theory.github.com/mytap/ 03:45 AmitG heya chris, 03:45 rangi on to much cooler issues 03:44 rangi is better than obfusticating hte url ;) 03:44 rangi i suspect combating the ignorance 03:44 rangi i can find thousands of those 03:43 rangi http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/us_department_of_defense_embraces_open_source.php 03:42 Waylon Yah.. poor arabic opensource foundation. 03:42 rangi and you might get hacked in the future ... oh wait ;) 03:42 rangi and therefore you become less and less secure 03:42 Waylon yeah... 03:42 rangi the more you do this, the more you fork and make upgrading more and more difficult 03:41 rangi yep 03:41 Waylon so.. i ask... does koha have a standardised place for error messages? 03:41 rangi thats actually pretty hard to do 03:31 Waylon [off]So, boss. says Anyway, I have a suggestion, why don’t we remove those two thing only: the word Koha from url (http://opac.mandumah.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl) and from the error messages only. And leave it everywhere else. 03:29 Waylon there are no admins left in the facebook group. 03:29 Waylon their facebook.. has three messages, one of them is spam. 03:28 Waylon aosaf.net, shows a empty page... 03:28 ibeardslee I mean damn 03:28 ibeardslee haha 03:27 eythian Waylon: <META content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0" name=GENERATOR> just makes it sadder still :( 03:27 space_librarian I shoudn't have looked. ;) 03:27 Waylon damn, "Arab opensource advancement foundation", http://www.aosaf.org .... hacked by a hacking crew... the type to burn and gloat. 03:27 space_librarian dammit! 03:26 eythian space_librarian: don't look at my desk now 03:24 space_librarian must be Friday... even my IRC client wants a weekend. :) 03:22 Waylon Ahh. 03:20 eythian we changed when the IRC server changed, as we were already using it there for other things 03:20 mtj avoid clients that are *ashamed* of running Koha, i say... 03:20 eythian Waylon: catalyst has no name policy 03:19 ibeardslee to help explain why being opensource should be a selling point 03:19 Waylon Though.... Catalyst has a new name policy? 03:19 Waylon So... decided.. hey, why not. 03:19 * Waylon is genji... "But i noticed people using their actual names here frequiently.." 03:19 eythian yeah 03:18 eythian oh 03:18 eythian huh? 03:18 Waylon Yes, i do talk with rangi often. 03:18 ibeardslee rangi and Waylon's boss? 03:18 eythian *company 03:18 eythian ibeardslee: or, like, the whole country :) 03:17 * ibeardslee was just going to suggest that with Waylon connecting to irc via a .nz address, we could arrange a discussion with rangi? 03:17 eythian ah right. Maybe they just need to be re-educated somehow 03:16 Waylon .. sector.. origin... 03:16 Waylon Yes,the company i do work for, has Arabic sector clients. 03:15 eythian Waylon: at least, where I've seen it 03:15 ibeardslee heh .. I second guess propietory software 03:15 eythian Waylon: it's not here. 03:15 Waylon So im wondering... why this perception in the scientifiic and university sectors? 03:14 Waylon [off]That was a quote from my boss, btw. Once universities and instutions settle in, they find our digital library quite impressive. Yet, if they figure out that it is based on free, opensourceness.... they secondguess it... 03:14 ibeardslee building improving code 03:14 ibeardslee open source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system 03:13 ibeardslee 1000s of developer days have already gone into koha, are they going to want to pay for a new system from scratch 03:12 ibeardslee if you built a new system from scratch it would cost mega$$ to get to the level that koha is 03:12 ibeardslee open source means you can build on what other's have done 03:12 mtj if people/companies dont get it, don't do business with them 03:11 ibeardslee "..convince them." is the end of it? 03:11 Waylon That came through correctly this time? 03:10 Waylon [off]open source.  All they know is “it is free†and therefore it should be weak, and a company like you should use a strong commercial one or develop your own. Most of them don’t have a  computer and technology background, so their judgment is based on the little information they know about open source system. So sometimes I spend long time trying to inform them and convince them. 03:10 Waylon [off] times, how come you use a free system you should have your own system. For me I am convinced that Koha is a sold well develop system and it is very suitable for our need, and if we develop our own it will not be as good as Koha. But the problem people don’t know the meaning of open source. 03:09 Waylon [off]we have developed a very good product with have over 80.000 record, our customers  are universities and scientific institutions. So far we have billed a great reputation. Some customers knew that we use a free system (from the error messages and url) and they mention it several times, 03:09 mtj "and we have develo…." 03:09 Waylon ah.. 03:09 ibeardslee "..we have develo" 03:09 Waylon what was the last few words of it? maybe irc has a character limit.. 03:08 ibeardslee you seemed to have missed some of your previous comment? 03:07 Waylon So, i ask... Have we done enough to project the open-source message? 03:06 Waylon [off]Previously, on work stories, boss wants Koha name removed from koha. Today, the reason. I thought he was against sharing back: "We don't mind at all contributing all the mods back to the Koha community, indeed we would love to. Koha is a great system and we have used it for free and this is alone is a huge thing that we have to repay for , but this is not the case. The problem is this: we are a business based company, and we have develo 03:04 Waylon okay.. 03:04 Waylon yup... just checked my log... 03:04 eythian at least, that's what people seem to use :) 03:03 eythian I think 03:03 eythian Waylon: [off] 03:03 Waylon to unlog a comment, one uses [off] at the start? or (off)? 03:01 Waylon Hello all! 01:20 brendan_ heya all 00:48 chris_n bots on a roll tonight 00:47 chris_n snap 00:47 wahanui well, both is best 00:47 chris_n both? 00:45 rangi heh 00:45 wahanui brendan_ is a big fan of koha or the best boss evar! 00:45 chris_n heya brendan_ 00:30 rangi hi brendan_