Time Nick Message 23:50 Waylon hmm. true. 23:49 mtj its poss. only a 2-3 line mod 23:49 mtj why not just stuff all you code into a C4::AuthUSE file, that gets called once from within C4::Auth 23:46 eythian I don't know. 23:46 Waylon hmm.. can LDAP handle virtualhost and ip address ranges as authetication instead of username and password? 23:44 eythian It would surely almost be easier to make a real LDAP server, wouldn't it? 23:43 Waylon ... can i make a fake LDAP server, and include my authentication methods as the things to check to return to the LDAP plugin of koha? 23:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms 23:41 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces 23:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #127: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/127/ 23:39 eythian PAM would be worth looking at too 23:39 eythian It's probably a bit overkill for what you need. But the guts of it is that if your plugins are OO, then you can instantiate them given the path, chuck the reference in a hash or array or whatever, and just call it via that. 23:39 * jcamins_away suggests PAM and goes back to writing a book report 23:36 eythian http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~eythian/+junk/davros/view/head:/PluginMgr.pm#L204 <-- something like that a useful idea? 23:35 Waylon basically.. would be nice to just need to include the plugin USE and one authenticate() call, just before koha decides to throw a user out. 23:34 * eythian looks for an example he did some time ago 23:34 eythian You can build a simple plugin system without too much trouble in Perl. 23:30 Waylon okay, reason. Authentication module plugins without having to alter Koha code. Currently, the koha im maintaining for work, has several additional subs, and calls to those subs from the sub used to authenticate. System supports authentication via virtualhost + referer url, virtualhost + ip address... would like to minimize how much editing of the original koha code id have to do, to maintain git mergabilty. 23:12 eythian Waylon: that sounds like a recipie for disaster, really :) 23:09 Waylon a thought... can a whole directory be included... or used, instead of having to call a use statement per module? I'd like to call x() and have x() of every module in that directory, called, and if any module returns 1, return 1. 23:08 rangi cool 23:04 eythian new squeeze-dev packages uploaded 22:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 127 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4276' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b00c36989f2c480263478d358e4fcf670d047331> / Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f39c4fcc3ff1a5a3d8b7e3866c77febf68d60a3> 22:15 eythian hello ronald 22:15 rangi hi ronald 21:28 bg that's good - wasn't totally sure I think the last thing I saw was rain where ever you went 21:27 gmcharlt bg: yes; been home for days now ;) 21:27 bg how's things gmcharlt - you finally home? 21:27 rangi unless its the IRS 21:27 rangi heh 21:25 bg that's so true :) 21:25 gmcharlt bg: always a relief to know that somebody knows your name ;) 21:22 rangi night jcamins 21:22 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:21 SpaceLibrarian_home_ right time to brave the brr and the damp, with the gentle breeze... 21:18 bg thanks :) 21:18 huginn bg: bg 21:18 bg @whoami 21:18 huginn bg: I don't recognize you. 21:18 bg @whoami 21:11 huginn bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:12 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). 21:11 bg @wunder 70130 21:09 bg that should be the middle of the city 21:09 huginn bg: The current temperature in Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana is 24.5�C (4:10 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). 21:09 bg @wunder 70125 21:09 ibeardslee with a gentle breeze 21:09 ibeardslee SpaceLibrarian_home_: yeah a bit brrr and damp this morning 21:08 SpaceLibrarian_home_ that's nice there. 21:08 huginn bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:09 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). 21:08 bg @wunder 70190 21:08 bg 70112~70195 21:08 SpaceLibrarian_home_ that's not even the apparent temp in Wellington. ugh. 21:08 bg try 70112 21:07 rangi zip code or whatever its called ;) 21:07 rangi whats the area code for NOLA? 21:07 bg that's a slaughter :) 21:07 rangi yuck 21:06 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). 21:06 rangi @wunder wellington nz 21:06 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.7�C (2:07 PM PDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). 21:06 bg @wunder 93109 21:06 wahanui well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 21:06 rangi debian? 21:02 slef (not on koha lists, don't worry) 21:01 slef boomsheboombedoompy... flame on! 20:49 rangi ahhh 20:48 jcamins I think the issue is that his barcodes don't match what he entered into the system. 20:48 rangi i feel better 20:48 rangi ahh it wasnt just me then ;) 20:48 jcamins rangi: there is not enough coffee in the world. 20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home_ mmmm coffee... 20:47 rangi must need more coffee 20:47 rangi hmm i dont understand sheldons question at all 20:45 Waylon ah. 20:45 rangi and yep 20:45 rangi subsitute postgres in there 20:45 rangi well we dont use mysql much either 20:44 Waylon use ip fallover + mysql replication? 20:44 rangi we dont rely on dns updates for DR 20:44 rangi i can tell you for all the mission critical stuff we do at catalyst, electoral roll, .nz etc 20:43 Waylon Brilliant. 20:43 Waylon haha 20:43 rangi wtfdnsisnotforfailover.com 20:43 rangi it would be called 20:43 rangi i could make you one 20:39 Waylon ive been trying to describe it, but whatever i say... doesn't get the point across. 20:38 Waylon is there a webpage that accurately and simply describes the failures of using dns updates as backup procedures? 20:21 rangi back 20:21 Waylon yes... but boss is resistant to change. Hes comfortable with Hostgator..... and doesn't want to move to Softlayer, the host of hostgator. 20:20 Waylon so... we do it speed-independant. replication... office->primary server->backup server 20:20 tcohen i think you should make an automatic IP change setup for your failover 20:19 Waylon So.. not going to be great for entering in biblios. 20:19 tcohen oops 20:19 Waylon Yes.... but the data entry office is tethered to the net via ADSL. 20:18 tcohen so got me thinking.... 20:18 tcohen we have a central MySQL server, and several apache front-ends here 20:18 tcohen (for failover 20:18 tcohen i think they are stoppers for using a distributed mysql setup 20:17 tcohen yes, but i don't know if we use them 20:17 Waylon which im converting our db's to, to get quick, no lock, mysqldumps. 20:17 Waylon Row locks exist in InnoDB. 20:17 tcohen bye oleonard 20:17 oleonard See you tomorrow #koha 20:16 tcohen do we use row locks in koha? 20:15 Waylon losing stats when the backup server is being used in failover is acceptable. Losing stats all the time, is not. 20:14 Waylon so we'd lose stats, if our backup server gets used. 20:13 Waylon we don't want to loadbalance, since we can't have circular replication. 20:13 Waylon yes... but if one is down... 50% chance of the client getting the broken ip address? 20:12 tcohen you can have several DNS entries for the same fqdn 20:12 Waylon only surefire way, is a ip address swap, eh? 20:12 tcohen you're right 20:11 * rangi leaves 20:11 Waylon but if the server that has nginx on it, dies, then its still not going to be 100% safe. 20:11 rangi tcohen check it out its neat 20:11 tcohen bye! 20:11 rangi bbiab 20:11 tcohen i never used nginx 20:11 rangi ok bus stop 20:11 rangi we did that for a site we shifted 20:10 rangi or nginx 20:10 rangi who knows they'll never tell 20:10 tcohen you would need to use database for storing sessions 20:10 rangi and do their own 20:10 rangi they ignore ttl 20:10 Waylon whats Xtra set to? 20:10 rangi waylon xtra dont 20:09 tcohen varnish or haproxy 20:09 tcohen if you wanted to resist a server failover, i would think of setting apache+mod_proxy or a varnish setup for load balancing 20:08 jcamins Waylon: well, that's the thing. They don't all. They're supposed to, but don't. 20:08 tcohen it means people wont have access to your secondary server until that time elapsed 20:07 Waylon or do they all obey TTL these days? 20:07 Waylon of course, it depends on everyone else's ISP dns cache behaviour? 20:06 Waylon currently set to 30 minutes. 20:06 jcamins "Yes, but not for anything that requires a guaranteed quality of service." 20:06 tcohen it depends on dns records ttl 20:06 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 20:06 jcamins Waylon: not really a Koha question, but, no. 20:05 Waylon Greetings all. On the subject of DNS updates, is updating dns records, a valid method of primary to secondary failover? 20:02 rangi I turn off ccl links where I find them 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields 20:00 * jcamins discovers that bug 5868 probably should have been titled "CCL searches do not work for most fields" 19:58 rangi using the bus ride to catch up on emails so im ready to go when I get to work 19:57 * rangi is having fun with the biblioitems thread 19:55 tcohen take your time rangi 19:55 rangi 46 in signed off status 19:55 rangi ill try to take a look 19:53 tcohen :-D 19:53 rangi tcohen: so safe to push? 19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links 19:50 tcohen rangi: about bug 5546, the patch posted by jonathan druart is similar to the initial patch / cookies enabled posted first, it just rearranges things so it applies to master again 19:39 tcohen oleonard: ok 19:38 oleonard tcohen: I don't think those can be easily resolved. I also think those errors will appear so rarely it's a low priority. 19:37 tcohen tags/review.pl too 19:36 tcohen "Please refresh the page and try again.');\n", 'js'; 19:36 tcohen "window.alert('Your CGI session cookie ($sessid) is not current. " . 19:36 tcohen output_with_http_headers $input, undef, 19:35 tcohen opac-tags.pl 19:34 oleonard I would like to see what you found if you can locate it again 19:34 tcohen s/vode/code/ 19:33 tcohen or "if it works don't fix-it"? 19:33 tcohen is it worth filling a bug and submitting a patch? 19:32 tcohen (the alert/error message is prepared in the .pl file) 19:32 tcohen oleonard, i've found that *tags*.pl files (don't remember right now) have javascript vode inside 19:29 * oleonard finds, now that he has 11 patron categories, that all are showing on overduerules.pl 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client 19:28 oleonard Okay, cait was right. Today's new patch for bug 5547 fixes my problem with adding categories 19:26 cait bye all! 19:26 cait better go to sleep 19:24 cait and the blocker bug comment was about the picture 19:23 cait hm, or it's a new bug looking at your error message 19:23 cait it's the one I pointed rangi to ab it earlier 19:23 cait oleonard: this will be fixed bymark's patch sent today :) 19:22 oleonard categorie.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/admin/categorie.pl line 199 19:22 * oleonard can't add a new patron category 19:20 * oleonard corrects himself, again, because half his patron categories were 'no notice required' 19:18 oleonard I wonder if pagination is even appropriate for this page? (assuming all categories could be made to display) 19:18 cait looks like a blocker bug to me :) 19:17 * chris_n thinks his cat would have a time with that one 19:17 cait and how it could be added in 19:17 chris_n so long as it does not look like this sort of bug... http://tinyurl.com/n7onj2 19:17 cait I was not sure how the pagination works 19:17 * oleonard finds a lot of SQL happening in overduerules.pl 19:16 cait feel free to reassign 19:16 oleonard It doesn't look like a template bug to me 19:16 chris_n sleep++ 19:15 cait yep, perhaps I should sleep 19:15 cait hm 19:15 chris_n cait: even long days do end ;-) 19:12 cait sorry long day 19:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5899 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Missing pagination for notice/overdue triggers 19:12 cait bug 5899 19:11 cait hm? 19:11 oleonard Interesting, so it does. 19:10 cait and there is no way to page 19:10 cait it only shows the first 10 categories 19:10 cait and waiting for bugzilla to open 19:09 cait sorry, got disconnected again 19:09 oleonard cait: What's the issue with missing pagination for notice triggers? 19:08 oleonard Can't hear you. I'm inside my protective blanket of fear. 19:07 slef wizzyrea: got a mo? 19:07 cait1 if you have more than 10 patron categories you can't add rules for 2 of them 19:06 cait1 we were looking at it , but it seems very complicated because of the tabs in the table 19:05 cait1 oleonard: I was going to ask you if you have an idea about the missing pagination for notice triggers 19:03 oleonard * http://www.pvponline.com/2000/09/06/wed-sep-06/ 19:02 * oleonard returns to the drawing board, which he should store under his protective blanket of fear 19:01 huginn oleonard: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 19:01 oleonard oleonard-- 19:01 oleonard ...or they might have been if I hadn't realized I switched branches a moment ago 19:00 Brooke_ oleonard++ 19:00 rangi oleonard: yay! 19:00 rangi shoulda started a working group on it 19:00 oleonard rangi: All the TT OPAC issues I found in my last round of testing are now fixed 18:59 rangi heh 18:59 rangi ok kids are awake time to start the routine, be back from the bus in an hour or so 18:59 gmcharlt (not really) 18:59 gmcharlt what I didn't tell you all that i've been thinking about how to fix that bug every since it was introduced in 2007 18:59 rangi that was speedy 18:59 rangi gmcharlt++ 18:50 rangi Workaround: Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey 18:50 rangi Problem: Banging on keyboard during cde startup causes dtwm hang 18:50 rangi ------------------------- 18:50 rangi SunSolve Bug ID: 4256482 18:50 rangi good lord im old 18:50 rangi reminds me of this old chestnut 18:49 rangi :) 18:48 gmcharlt rangi: not one of mine, fortunately :-P 18:48 rangi gmcharlt: did it do that for C4/Search? 18:48 oleonard :D 18:47 gmcharlt rangi: I could have my cat walk across a keyword and rectify that situation ;) 18:47 rangi and updated the wiki page 18:47 rangi oleonard: i fixed (i hope) a bunch of stuff in that since you last tested 18:47 rangi thankfully C4/Template.pm is much smaller and less confusing than its previous incarnation 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 18:47 oleonard Good excuse to do some more testing of Bug 5917 18:45 rangi now i just have to fix it, so tt can go in master 18:45 rangi thanks for confirming its not in master 18:45 rangi or path issues 18:45 rangi oleonard: its most likely something small and annoying like the browser thing 18:44 rangi oleonard: thanks for checking, please update the bug saying so, and ill work on fixing it 18:44 cait ouch 18:44 jwagner Gotta run now, see you all later. 18:44 gmcharlt bug's been present since at least 2007 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client 18:44 oleonard Bug 6085 seems to be a T:T-related bug. 18:44 gmcharlt cait: no, the current behavior isn't right 18:42 jwagner I uploaded a screenshot which might make it clearer 18:41 cait gmcharlt: does this make any sense? 18:40 gmcharlt C4::Log::GetLogs is the correct spot 18:40 gmcharlt the like clause has it search action_logs for rows where object like '%123%' 18:40 jwagner I may have been looking in the wrong place -- Items.pm GetItem 18:40 gmcharlt right, but if you're looking for (say) biblio 123 18:40 jwagner I looked at that, and it seemed to be passing itemnumber 18:39 gmcharlt C4::Log::GetLogs is doing ... like '%object_id%' when it's retrieving log entries 18:39 oleonard jwagner: confirmed 18:39 gmcharlt glanced at the code, and ... yeah, it would 18:37 jwagner The problem shows on the smaller number when there are edits on the larger number 18:37 jwagner But did you test with a pair, like biblio 10 and 100, or 100 and 1000? 18:35 oleonard jwagner: I enabled the cataloging log, edited a record, and viewed the modification log for that title. The biblio number listed in the Object column was correct. 18:33 tcohen bye! 18:33 tcohen i'm sorry 18:33 tcohen i've got to leave right now 18:32 rangi hmm that seems like a bug, but it means that they cant have been testing with 5917 then :) 18:32 tcohen it created the translated templates, but no .tt appears 18:31 rangi it should 18:31 tcohen i guess tmpl_process3.pl wont make it for tt.... :-D 18:30 tcohen rangi: i cannot test using es-ES, auth.tt not found error 18:29 cait ah, yes, that one is about templates - but be careful with installed languages and browser settings too 18:29 cait tcohen: nope 18:29 cait rangi: I think so :) 18:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6102 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bib record log viewer displaying wrong biblionumber entries 18:29 jwagner Can someone verify Bug 6102? 18:29 tcohen ack 18:28 rangi oleonard: thats unhelpful 18:28 rangi tcohen: it'll be added to do the dependencies 18:28 rangi apt-get install libtemplate-perl 18:27 tcohen "Can't locate Template.pm" 18:27 oleonard Hm, git fetch is timing out 18:24 rangi he might have just stolen 139th place, claire will have to get 140 now 18:24 rangi cait: is that marks first patch? 18:22 rangi thanks 18:22 oleonard Sure 18:22 rangi it may be a bug in there 18:22 rangi ie the new templates 18:22 rangi oleonard: if you have a chance could you try it with new/enh/bug_5917 ? 18:22 rangi almost gone 18:22 oleonard Bug6085 is "worksforme" 18:21 Brooke_ but I'm not a developer. 18:21 cait rangi: how is the flu? 18:21 Brooke_ I think it's related to "rangi can use more peanut butter" 18:21 Brooke_ yeah that's approaching critical. 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client 18:21 cait bug 5547 18:21 rangi tcohen: just write create_more_time.pl 18:20 rangi hehe 18:20 tcohen we could report a bug "rangi is overloaded" 18:20 rangi it may be they were testing with new/enh/bug_5917 18:19 cait :p 18:19 rangi tcohen: thats worth noting on the bug, and ask for clarification 18:19 cait rangi: already searching for your bugnumber! 18:19 tcohen i did git checkout origin 18:19 rangi cait: ill need more info than that, theres only about 10 zillion patches in my mailbox :) 18:19 cait tcohen: I think they were testing the new templates - but not sure 18:19 tcohen i cannot reproduce 6085 18:19 rangi for? 18:19 cait have you seen the patch from mark? 18:18 cait hehe yes 18:18 rangi the power of a plea to the devel list 18:16 cait I started on that too - but yours are much better! I will try to sign-off on them tomorrow! 18:16 Brooke_ 4 eyes > 2 18:16 cait tcohen: thx for the javascript fixes :) 18:16 cait I was going to look at that too 18:16 cait lol 18:14 rangi yay 18:14 * oleonard is installing translations now 18:13 rangi then you should be in a position to try to reproduce 18:13 rangi then in systempreferences you should see more languages, you can enable them there, and switch on the language picker syspref for the opac 18:13 rangi misc/translator/translate is the script 18:12 rangi and thank you for looking at that bug 18:12 rangi tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client#Koha_3.2 18:12 Brooke_ I don wanna. They're the borg :P 18:12 druthb hi, Brooke! 18:12 druthb hrmpf/ 18:11 druthb join #bywater 18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client 18:11 tcohen i want to reproduce bug 6085 on my box 18:11 Brooke_ kia ora! 18:10 tcohen how do i install another language for opac/staff on a dev install? 17:56 chris_n well... at least they were good going down 17:55 gmcharlt depending on the incubation time ;) 17:55 chris_n no powdered ones at any rate 17:55 chris_n heh.... apparently not... this time at least :) 17:51 slef anthrax donuts? 17:49 chris_n so the morning was not a total wash 17:48 chris_n they did serve donuts and coffee, though 17:46 cait yes, it is a better excuse 17:46 * chris_n has way too many hats these days :P 17:46 chris_n EM = emergency management = local government foo 17:45 chris_n hehe 17:44 cait ;) 17:44 cait I think whatever EM training is, it's probably a better excuse than a big pile of french pizzas 17:43 cait hi #koha 17:43 * chris_n returns from EM training and offers regrets for missing the meeting 16:29 ebegin Anybody succeed in installing koha on centos ? 16:29 rhcl1 is that negative recursion? or metacomments? 16:28 tcohen commented out comments in javascript code shouldn't be translated, right? 16:22 paul_p that's why the template is in french already. The problem being that this french reaches .po :\ 16:21 paul_p tcohen, in fact, it's a plugin that is usefull only for 1 library, it's guaranteed 100% specific. 16:18 tcohen gmcharlt++ 16:18 gmcharlt tcohen: it's English from an alternate reality where the Normans were a *lot* more aggressive ;) 16:17 tcohen don't tell me thats english! 16:17 tcohen hehehe 16:17 tcohen alert("veuillez d'abord creer le nombre de champs necessaires "); 16:17 tcohen koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/macles.tmpl 16:10 tcohen ok :-D 16:09 gmcharlt I could well be mistaken, though 16:09 gmcharlt but I think that's the best we can do at the moment without doing a lot more poking at the translator internals 16:09 gmcharlt yes, and that is indeed a problem 16:08 tcohen expresions are structured in different ways in each language too 16:08 gmcharlt alert(_('Please elect only one ') + '<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" -->' + _(' to ') ... 16:08 tcohen but... 16:08 tcohen exactly 16:08 gmcharlt tcohen: that risks a translator taking the template marker out by mistake 16:07 tcohen is ok?: alert(_("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + ".")); 16:06 tcohen alert("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + "."); 16:06 tcohen and came into a question: how should this case be handled?: 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6084 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages 16:06 tcohen hi, i was reading bug 6084 16:01 slef who by? 16:00 rhcl_meeting did a list of all the koha libraries ever get posted to koha-community? 15:57 slef (= no error email back for each bug updated by email) 15:57 slef gmcharlt: thanks! I'll see if it works tomorrow :) 15:51 gmcharlt slef: installed 15:48 magnuse au revoir, #koha 15:47 gmcharlt slef: thanks 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5822 normal, P1, ---, chris, NEW, Missing perl module Math::Random::ISAAC for upgraded bugzilla 15:46 slef gmcharlt: bug 5822 15:44 frido byby 15:40 gmcharlt slef: link to the module you mean, please? 15:39 slef quite a lot of patches and patch discussion in March... I think it's taking more days to email in the backlinks (at 10 bugs/day)... it would be great if someone could install the missing Math module on bugzilla too 15:31 * oleonard should go back and look them up 15:30 * oleonard didn't have the benefit of Wikipedia for Latin translation when he was reading Asterix as a kid 15:29 * oleonard has always wanted to try pastis after reading Asterix and the Banquet 15:28 * magnuse thinks there is a time difference... 15:27 slef ;-) 15:27 slef teehee froggies quitting early 15:27 * jcamins doesn't have any clever way to remember his anniversary. 15:27 clrh we are going to drink pastis jsut after the end of day point - you're welcome hackfesters 15:26 magnuse i have the date inside my ring, but i can't get the ring off any longer... ;-) 15:25 gmcharlt we have a picture above our bed that includes our anniversary date 15:25 NateC thats a great idea too! 15:24 oleonard We both forget most years anyway :) 15:24 oleonard We had our anniversary engraved inside our wedding rings. 15:23 NateC ha you beat me to that one! 15:23 NateC easy to remember anniversaries ;) 15:23 druthb hopefully, you'll be able to remember anniversary that way, Nate. 15:22 NateC 9/10/11 15:22 NateC yep 15:21 magnuse decided on a date at least? 15:21 NateC the things you do for love... 15:21 magnuse hehe 15:21 NateC and at it and at it and at it.... 15:21 NateC nope we are still at it 15:20 magnuse hiya NateC - still planning your wedding, or have i missed it? 15:00 wizzyrea bow wow? 15:00 slef arf! 14:54 cait we almost forgot about the meeting here too 14:53 slef or at least, I didn't see a reminder 14:53 slef trust me to get it wrong for a meeting when a reminder is forgotten! 14:53 magnuse slef: there is a rumour i might not even have to sit on him... ;-) 14:52 cait magnuse is so mean... :P 14:52 slef ok, I think I've calendared the next koha general meeting correctly and not in 2010 :-/ 14:52 magnuse oleonard: naa-na-naa-na-naaa-na 14:52 * slef incentivizes volunteer action 14:52 slef magnuse: can you sit on hdl tomorrow until he End-Of-Life-s 3.0? 14:51 * oleonard is jealous of the bug-wrangling party 14:51 cait with_cait++ 14:50 magnuse slef: plane leaves at 5pm something on friday, will make my way to the airport after lunch, methinks - with cait 14:48 slef magnuse: when are you in France until? 14:48 slef I'm pondering standing for uk.coop now, as a glutton for election punishment. That'll be more challenging. 14:48 magnuse slef: you can do it! ;-) 14:47 slef magnuse: heh, no. More coopish than some places, but still pretty conservative. 14:47 slef wizzyrea: http://www.kewstoke.org/ although it doesn't reflect latest changes 14:47 magnuse the coop village? ;-) 14:47 slef wizzyrea: heh, probably... they're building more houses here now 14:46 gmcharlt slef++ 14:46 wizzyrea that's really great, can I come live in your village? 14:46 magnuse congrats, slef! 14:46 druthb congratulations, slef! :) 14:46 wizzyrea congratulations slef! 14:46 slef in random other news, I was re-elected to the village council (= part of the reason I'm not in France this week) 14:45 slef mail me some :) 14:45 cait very delicious pizza, indeed 14:42 hdl And pleased to see you 14:42 wizzyrea :D 14:42 hdl just deliriously pleased to work with so many ppl... Even coping with the toughest things seem light 14:41 wizzyrea luckies! 14:41 wizzyrea Ooooo 14:41 wizzyrea yay? 14:41 magnuse wizzyrea: full of delicious french pizza! 14:41 hdl wizzyrea YAY 14:39 wizzyrea guten tag, cait :D 14:39 cait hi wizzyrea 14:36 wizzyrea how is everybody today 14:35 wizzyrea hi druthb :D 14:35 wizzyrea Hallo magnuse 14:35 druthb hi, wizzyrea! 14:34 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea! 14:22 cait what bout this? 14:22 cait if (confirm('Do you really want to import the framework fields/subfields (will overwrite current configuration, for safety reasons please make before an export to have a backup file)?')) { 14:22 oleonard cait: Don't forget to assign the bug to yourself 14:22 cait make sure I have no syntax errors 14:22 cait will need a bit of testing though 14:22 cait yeah, starting right now 14:22 cait ah 14:21 oleonard Then I figured you might be working on that bug 14:21 oleonard cait: I started to send a patch this morning because I spotted it too when looking at alert() messages 14:21 cait and don't worry, it was funny :) 14:19 cait I am already in the next file, will try to remember later 14:18 oleonard cait: Sorry about that, please delete the $("#uploadfile"){ block 14:18 * oleonard curses his stray debugging cruft 14:18 jcamins Hey! 14:17 cait Hey? 14:17 cait ? 14:17 cait alert("Hey!"); 14:17 cait $("#uploadfile").submit(function(){ 14:16 * oleonard curses these non-filling virtual foods 14:16 cait I think biblibre hq will be ok ;) 14:16 * jcamins sends cinnamon bread 14:16 gmcharlt cait: to what address do we send the emergency shipment? ;) 14:16 cait almost all of the marzipan is gone... 14:15 clrh ok gmcharlt I don't know if I do it know or not 14:15 cait jcamins: grrr ;) 14:15 jcamins :D 14:15 jcamins Good news, Biblibre-ans! There are another two patches you could sign off on if you so desired. 14:14 gmcharlt (c) EmbedItemsInBiblios behaves correctly if fields (such as the call number) contain non-ASCII characters 14:14 gmcharlt (b) EmbedItemsInBiblios adds the appropriate number of item tags 14:13 gmcharlt (a) fetched bib has no item tags 14:13 gmcharlt things to check for include 14:13 gmcharlt if you want to write some as part of testing that bug 14:13 gmcharlt clrh: regretable, there aren't at present 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 14:12 clrh Could someone brief me about unit test in community version? I am testing 'manually' bug 5579 but maybe there is something wich already exists 14:10 gmcharlt druthb: I dunno, I'm rather enjoying my perch on your left shoulder ;) 14:10 * druthb picks up the Dunce Hat, and puts it on. It does not match her frilly blouse, but c'est la vie. 14:10 oleonard How about a script that files a new bug for every FIXME in the Koha codebase? 14:08 gmcharlt :) 14:08 * druthb is in a funky mood, and cannot spell today. She has the dumb. 14:07 druthb Do not tempt me to sumbit a patch that does that to the entire Kohoa codebase, gmcharlt. Do not tempt me in that fashion. 14:07 gmcharlt druthb: sed -i 's/FIXME/horrors!/g', perhaps? 14:06 * druthb is gonna find a place for a comment "# horrors!" in her code. Somewhere. Someday. 14:06 cait so I hope I will be able to fix most of the alert things before string freeze 14:05 cait mark++ 14:05 cait oleonard: I am running a script at the moment to find all of them - mark helped me to do it 14:05 jcamins They do. 14:05 gmcharlt jcamins: yes (assuming they operate as expected when you test the test cases, of course) 14:04 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: revised tests- better?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200 13:57 slef linking from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 13:57 slef finally found http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.html in the logs 13:53 slef erm, is there a meeting log? 13:52 slef hi all. Bad day yesterday and a calendar error on my part. Now reading meeting log. 13:51 jcamins Thanks! 13:51 jcamins I see. 13:51 gmcharlt eval { # stuff }; if ($@) { # we've failed! horrors; diag($@); fail(...) } else { ok(...) } 13:49 jcamins Could you give me an example? I'm not sure how to do either of those things. 13:49 gmcharlt jcamins: it's OK, but catching the actual exception so that it can be presented in a diag() would be even better 13:48 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: is this the right way to do the tests?" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/199 13:42 druthb hi, oleonard! :) 13:42 oleonard Hi druthb 13:32 gmcharlt jcamins: you can wrap the test in an eval{ } and catch an exception 13:31 clrh thanks oleonard 13:31 jcamins Without killing the test, because that would be bad. 13:31 oleonard clrh: That bug was specific to 3.0.x, so if we're closing 3.0.x bugs now then yes it can be closed. 13:31 jcamins In particular, I want a test that will alert us if calling ModBiblio with problematic data dies or not. 13:29 huginn 04Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled 13:29 clrh oleonard: hi could you confirm that master does not need http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 and so it could be closed? 13:29 jcamins Does anyone know how to add a test? 13:27 oleonard cait: I'm surprised at how many alert()'s aren't properly escaped for translation. I try to fix every one I see. 13:14 oleonard I'm going to be explaining that one for quite a while. 13:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #125 added. 13:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:13 oleonard My four year old would probably drink the espresso. He likes coffee. 13:13 hdl jcamins: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/UTF-8-problems-a-summary-and-some-solutions-td3064338.html 13:13 huginn gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 13:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:12 gmcharlt and espresso? 13:12 gmcharlt oleonard: heh. shall I contribute free kittens to the cause? 13:11 oleonard gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:11 gmcharlt oleonard: get them hacking on Koha and convince the school to call it an in-house field trip ;) 13:10 hdl oleonard: so would I 13:06 oleonard 6AM, but that's not the hard part. The problem is I'm getting my kids ready for school then 13:06 jwagner 6:00 AM US Eastern, after the time change -- was 5:00 AM before 13:05 hdl what time is it for you ? 4AM ? 13:04 oleonard These 10:00 UTC+0 meetings are the worst for my schedule! 13:04 * oleonard would have missed it even if he had remembered it. 13:04 * oleonard realizes he missed another meeting. 12:58 hdl since the encoding code is in 100$a and not in label 12:58 hdl For UNIMARC, the UTF8 Flag is not set when editing a utf8 data. 12:57 hdl This is related to a message I sent on perl4lib months ago. 12:57 jcamins Ah. 12:57 hdl though every time you need to edit a record, one has to check for correct encoding before manipulating. 12:56 jcamins hdl: but we call SetUTF8Flag every time we call ModBiblio. 12:56 oleonard Also: http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/12137997/Menu 12:56 jcamins hdl: I see. 12:56 oleonard That post about UI 1.9 Milestone 2 was in June 2010. I really thought we'd have it by now. 12:55 hdl jcamins: i chose to use that in *.pl rather than in C4::Biblio. because it could have been quite ressource demanding for migrations and so on. 12:55 oleonard http://blog.jqueryui.com/2010/06/jquery-ui-19m2-menu/ 12:54 oleonard Not yet 12:54 hdl oleonard: is there no jqueryUI native menu ? 12:53 hdl cool 12:53 oleonard I'm resolving conflicts frequently. 12:53 oleonard hdl: I'm keeping it up to date. 12:53 hdl oleonard: the longer we work on a branch, the more conflict we get... belive me. 12:53 oleonard Right now I'm still waiting on a good jqueryUI-native menu replacement 12:52 oleonard I was hoping we wouldn't have to add the jqueryUI dependencies on top of the already-large YUI ones. 12:52 oleonard hdl: My plan was to make the jqueryUI switch all at once and get rid of YUI js altogether. The other option is to add jqueryUI and keep YUI until we can be done with it. 12:52 jcamins Do you know why SetUTF8Flag had to be called directly from opac-detail? 12:52 jcamins hdl: good, then you're just the person I want to talk to. 12:51 hdl I did that SetUTF8Flag 12:51 hdl jcamins: yes. I know 12:50 hdl I thought i would have to use a ui datepicker 12:49 hdl I was asking about that because I searched jeditable and datepicker 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure opac-detail.pl outputs marc in utf-8 12:49 jcamins hdl: do you know anything about bug 5965 by any chance? 12:49 hdl Yeah, i have seen that. 12:48 hdl hi owen. 12:48 hdl fhi all 12:48 oleonard hdl: I have a work in progress branch with jqueryUI stuff but it isn't complete 12:48 oleonard hdl: I just saw your question about jqueryUI in the logs. I didn't get the @later because I'm oleonard instead of owen 12:46 sekjal morning, magnuse! 12:46 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 12:44 jcamins Hm. I'll have to work on this. 12:40 gmcharlt ->strip_empty_fields(), for example 12:40 gmcharlt jcamins: initially, I think as a utility method in MARC::Record 12:39 jcamins The logical place would be in delete_subfield, but that doesn't work because you don't have the Record object. 12:39 jcamins gmcharlt: any idea where to patch MARC::Record? 12:37 Irma Chicago is where one of my sisters lives. So Chicago is the one. Thanks and bonsoir :-) 12:37 gmcharlt hdl++ 12:37 hdl gmcharlt: remove items under testing. 12:37 jcamins So everyone will be confused. 12:36 gmcharlt the two hubs of Koha dev activity are east coast and west coast, so Chicago would split the difference 12:36 gmcharlt Irma: heh; Chicago or Boulder would be more central 12:36 * jcamins lives in New York, so possibly his suggestion can't be trusted 12:36 Irma Beaut!! Thanks jcamins :-) 12:35 jcamins Irma: New York. :P 12:34 Irma out of the options of the US cities? 12:33 Irma gmcharlt To be fair to the members of the US Koha community, which city should I use http://www.timeanddate.com ? 12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none 12:32 oleonard Hooray, colin is looking at Bug 5529 12:29 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, and as maintainer, patches welcome ;) 12:29 jcamins That's the lowest common denominator... as far as I can tell, everything goes through ModBiblio. 12:28 gmcharlt right, ModBiblio 12:28 jcamins ModBiblio. 12:28 gmcharlt looks OK 12:28 jcamins gmcharlt: oh, you're the maintainer. :) 12:28 gmcharlt jcamins: as a patch to AddBiblio, I assume? 12:28 jcamins It would also be good if MARC::Record removed those fields. 12:27 jcamins gmcharlt: does that seem a reasonable solution? 12:23 hdl Do you have any problems on Template::Toolkit with language selection ? 12:23 jcamins With that, touch_all_bibs should do the trick. 12:23 hdl fredericd: around ? 12:23 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Proposed fix" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 12:19 jcamins :) 12:19 gmcharlt ERRDROPDOUGHONTHEFLOORWHILETRYINGTOSPINIT 12:18 * jcamins has that, thanks to a frenzy of pizza baking two days ago. 12:18 gmcharlt frido: I dunno, good pizzas is a bit much to expect of any error-handling system ;) 12:18 frido :P good pizzas 12:17 jcamins Our error handling in C4 leaves... something to be desired. 12:17 jcamins That would be the ideal behavior, I think. 12:17 gmcharlt or, perhaps, silently drop fields that have no subfields when serializing 12:16 gmcharlt as far as MARC::Record is concerned, it's easy enough to have it throw an exception if you try to save a MARC::Field that has no subfields 12:15 jcamins Good idea. 12:15 jcamins Okay, so specifically catch the subfield $9 only issue? 12:15 gmcharlt but seriously, that's something that *first* needs to be caught in addbiblio.pl 12:15 jcamins Yeah, I have. 12:14 gmcharlt tell them to don't do that then ;) 12:14 jcamins Oh, those are coming from catalogers erasing the subfield a, I think. 12:14 hdl Well I think that the more robust MARC::Record is, the better it will be for all. 12:14 gmcharlt jcamins: you say it's coming from link_bibs_to_authorities, but answer me this: where are the datafields that *only* have a $9 coming from? 12:13 gmcharlt if it's from the bib editor, such a routine should be first invoked in AddBiblio and ModBiblio 12:13 jcamins You tell me. :) 12:13 jcamins hdl: should it? 12:13 hdl will it go into MARC::Record ? 12:13 jcamins In this case, link_bibs_to_authorities. 12:13 gmcharlt though I wonder where they're coming from 12:13 gmcharlt jcamins: well, stripping datafields without subfields is worth a utility function 12:11 * Brooke_ is going to entertain the breakfast proposal before her. 12:10 jcamins And I'm wondering if that's something I should be fixing, and, if the answer is "yes", where the utility function should go. 12:10 jcamins However, we have copy-pasted the exact same code in three places in C4::Charset. 12:09 jcamins I have put in a check to confirm that we have valid subfields, and, if we don't, delete the field. 12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, P1, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 12:08 jcamins I'm looking at bug 5683. Again. 12:08 thd gmcharlt: They may have had some customary expectations and lost attention. 12:08 Brooke_ looks like 12 is good in theory 12:08 gmcharlt jcamins: yep :) what's up? 12:08 jcamins The meeting *is* over, right? 12:08 jcamins gmcharlt: since you're here, I need some advice. 12:08 Brooke_ http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=5&day=11&year=2011&p1=264&p2=179&p3=195&p4=44 12:07 thd gmcharlt: agreed 12:07 gmcharlt thd: and I think that's the thing - they're certainly capable of voicing their objections at the time the proposal was made; if they didn't, they didn't necessarily need somebody to come in after the fact to object on their behalf 12:07 thd I merely speculate that there may be some times which are maximally suboptimal for almost everyone, and those times should be avoided. 12:04 thd If people in Europe really objected they should be awake enough at this hour to give their objections. 12:04 Irma Zzzz nearly (but will make that table first) 12:03 Brooke_ night Irma :) 12:03 thd good night Irma. 12:03 * SpaceLibrarian_home ditto 12:03 gmcharlt Irma: good night :) 12:03 * Irma close to saying G'night/day all 12:02 thd Sorry, I am actually not trying to undue anything which has just been concluded. 12:02 Brooke_ pfah I do a better jorb when I'm prepared 12:02 SpaceLibrarian_home thanks Brooke_ 12:02 gmcharlt Brooke_++ 12:02 Irma Brooke ok and thanks for chairing the meeting :-) 12:01 Brooke_ cause I don't matter 12:01 Brooke_ send it out to the list 12:01 Irma OK will C what I find and let you know Brooke to then confirm time of next meeting 12:01 gmcharlt ah, pretty far 12:01 SpaceLibrarian_home they're all logged, at least 12:01 SpaceLibrarian_home http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 12:01 gmcharlt not sure how far people have backfilled past meetings 12:00 gmcharlt at the very least, ever since the new wiki was started 12:00 Brooke_ if not all 12:00 Brooke_ that's a good chunk 12:00 Brooke_ in theory 12:00 SpaceLibrarian_home is it on koha-wiki? 11:59 Irma will do it before going to bed if the info is available ... 11:59 Brooke_ and haven't given NZ a good one in recent memory 11:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yes 11:59 Brooke_ with it in mind that we gave Europe a good time 11:59 Brooke_ just have whatever needs doing done by a week or so 11:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah, why not? 11:59 Brooke_ fine by me 11:59 Irma *Why 11:59 Irma Wjat not confirm the date of May 11 and confirm the time after the table is done and analysed... 11:58 thd All times are OK with me personally. 11:58 SpaceLibrarian_home ciao 11:58 jwagner Good night, NZ'ers 11:58 jwagner Or put an agenda item on the next meeting 11:58 SpaceLibrarian_home yep. midnight here. I need to sleep in order to work. 11:58 thd I agree that if I find a problem I can raise the issue on the mailing list. 11:58 Irma Time to close the show folks ... 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home Irma: brilliant idea 11:57 thd I will not miss the meeting. 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home And Brooke_ did disclaim herself before the meeting... 11:57 Irma I propose I go over all the other IRC general Koha meeting times and create a table so that we get an overview and see the times most often chosen in the past. Would that be helpful? 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home thd: will it be the end of the world if you miss one meeting? 11:57 Brooke_ fair warning was given that I'm a tyrant at this hour :P 11:57 thd Unfortunately, I am not awake enough to verify or correct myself. 11:56 thd Brooke_: I thought that had not been agreed when raised. 11:55 thd Brooke_: That is what I disputed. 11:55 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:55 Brooke_ the whole + - 8 was decided a while back 11:55 thd gmcharlt: Only because I did not recognise a vote and thought that we were breaking with carefully worked out practise. 11:55 Brooke_ and frankly 11:54 Brooke_ an objection does not mean that all are opposed 11:54 gmcharlt thd: I suggest taking this to the mailing list if you have a problem 11:54 SpaceLibrarian_home there is an objection to the time 11:54 gmcharlt Brooke_: in which case, the issue is settled. why are we still discussing it? 11:54 SpaceLibrarian_home and 2UTC was set 11:53 thd ? 11:53 thd hdl: Do you have any alternative or better analysis. 11:53 Brooke_ I called a vote and ended a meeting a good half hour back gmcharlt 11:53 jwagner Can we either propose a different time or vote on this one? 11:53 SpaceLibrarian_home and was tabled in the meeting 11:53 gmcharlt Brooke_: shall we call a vote on this and be done? 11:53 jwagner Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC was the proposed time. 11:53 * jwagner would just like to get a decision now on the next meeting so I can go get some work done.... 11:52 Brooke_ 2 utc is unfair to europe, not everyone 11:52 thd Brooke_: Yes, there is no fair system except that there may be some times which would be unfair to everyone and thus not helpful. 11:52 Oak hi Brooke_ 11:52 Brooke_ it's just not fair to perpetually hose kiwis or anyone else 11:52 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees with Brooke 11:52 Brooke_ so that eventually everyone gets a cherry of a time 11:52 Brooke_ just as long as things move about 11:51 Brooke_ I don't care if the rotation is + -6 or whathave you 11:51 gmcharlt why? 11:51 gmcharlt thd: you are seem to implicitly assuming that there are time zones that are incapable of producing meaningful participatin 11:51 Brooke_ so we're not in an endless cycle of bickering over times 11:51 Brooke_ namely + -8 should be instituted then stuck with 11:51 Brooke_ thd no a fair system 11:51 SpaceLibrarian_home 2UTC, may 5 sounds good here. 11:51 thd Brooke_: Eliminating participation becouse of time should be offset by a gain in participation. 11:50 SpaceLibrarian_home magnuse: nice post-it notes 11:50 Brooke_ thd which will always happen 11:50 SpaceLibrarian_home meh 11:49 thd I think that some options eliminate some participation without gaining more participation. 11:49 jwagner So have we agreed on Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC? 11:49 SpaceLibrarian_home nz has now had a 6am and 10pm. Surely we can get a cherry of a time 11:49 Brooke_ that's a nice peach 11:49 magnuse paul_p from yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5594123275/in/photostream/ 11:49 SpaceLibrarian_home yes 11:49 gmcharlt given the reality that interest in Koha spans nearly all 24 timezones, *somebody* is going to end up having to deal with an inconvenient time 11:48 SpaceLibrarian_home I don't know who proposed it 11:48 magnuse time to count signoffs in marseille 11:48 SpaceLibrarian_home it came up last meeting too 11:48 thd s/be/by/ 11:48 thd SpaceLibrarian_home: I do not remember that rotating forward be 8 hours had been other than proposed without agreement. 11:48 hdl 8AM 11:47 hdl 4AM 11:47 hdl 20PM 11:47 SpaceLibrarian_home and somebody deciuded on +/-8 a few meetings ago. where was the issue then? 11:46 SpaceLibrarian_home all's fair in love and timezones 11:46 magnuse yes we did 11:46 thd hdl: We are about to choose 2 UTC so please suggest something which may help NZ but hurt Europe less. 11:46 SpaceLibrarian_home yes they did 11:46 Brooke_ but they did get a cherry of a time today 11:46 * magnuse will definitely miss out 11:46 magnuse http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2011&month=5&day=11&hour=2&min=0&sec=0 11:46 magnuse 4am 11:46 wahanui i think UK is still in 11:46 Irma and UK? 11:45 SpaceLibrarian_home 2UTC is what? midnight in France? 11:45 Irma ? 11:45 Irma what is a good time for an IRC meeting for BibLibre and others in France/ 11:44 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 11:44 cait @later tell rangi: alert strings not picket up by translation tool 11:44 * thd will always poke himself awake but hopes that there will be as many others as possible. 11:44 hdl Irma: ? 11:44 SpaceLibrarian_home there usually are... 11:44 * thd has not done the calculation. 11:44 SpaceLibrarian_home there will be europeans online then. 11:43 Brooke_ it isn't possible thd 11:43 Brooke_ so ask him for stuff 11:43 thd Can we avoid a time which guarantees no participation from a continent? 11:43 Brooke_ Irma he's prolly in a pizza coma 11:43 Irma is hdl still online? 11:43 SpaceLibrarian_home or kiwis 11:43 Brooke_ just like 6am is not a pleasant hour for yanks 11:43 SpaceLibrarian_home it'll be during daylight hours for europe soon enough 11:43 Brooke_ it substantially decreases the liklihood 11:42 Brooke_ one tiny drawback of international collaboration 11:42 thd Does 2 UTC not guarantee no participation from Europe? 11:42 SpaceLibrarian_home we were lucky with daylight savings ending, or it would have been 11pm for us today 11:41 Irma better for NZ from 9PM I suppose 11:41 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 11:40 Irma Perhaps for Chris as he has small children ... 11:40 Brooke_ it's always bad for someone, hence the -8 or +8 rotation 11:40 thd Is circa 19.00 very bad for NZ? 11:40 SpaceLibrarian_home US West coast 11:40 SpaceLibrarian_home NZ, Australia, India.. 11:40 Brooke_ kiwis 11:39 SpaceLibrarian_home yes! 11:39 thd Who does 2 UTC help as a time? 11:39 Brooke_ indeed! 11:39 Irma Keep up the good work hackers in Marseilles @ BibLibre :-) 11:39 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.log.html 11:39 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.txt 11:39 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.html 11:39 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 11:40:26 2011 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:39 Brooke_ #endmeeting 11:39 SpaceLibrarian_home sounds right 11:39 jwagner If I'm reading the timezone converter right, that would be 10:00 PM on Tues May 10 for US Eastern zone 11:38 Brooke_ #action 2 UTC 11 May next general meeting someone send a remindah 11:38 gmcharlt staying up late instead of getting up early ++ 11:38 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:38 Brooke_ 2 UTC 11 May sound right all? 11:38 SpaceLibrarian_home they can deal 11:38 Irma magnuse : sadly x2 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home we've endured 6am and 10pm here now. 11:37 * Brooke_ suspects that MJ will be egging her flat... 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home hehehe 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home 2am UTC? 11:37 Brooke_ 2AM UTC was the proposal albeit on a diff dayh 11:37 Brooke_ so 11:37 Brooke_ I believe we're hosing Europe 11:36 jwagner Wednesday, May 11 would be preferable for me 11:36 wahanui it has been said that time is a scary thing 11:36 SpaceLibrarian_home what time? 11:35 * magnuse does not think norway will be ready to host kohacon in 2012, sadly... 11:35 Irma May 11? 11:35 thd I suggest that the following week would be better in respect of the KUDOS meeting. 11:35 Brooke_ as long as Friday would work elsewhere. 11:35 Brooke_ K 11:35 SpaceLibrarian_home should be fine for the kiwis... one of us will be online, time pending. 11:34 Irma May 5 is fine for CALYX 11:34 SpaceLibrarian_home the* 11:34 SpaceLibrarian_home Irma: I lived in thr ACT for 3 years, I'm wired to both timezones 11:34 Irma SpaceLibrarian_home New Zealanders are ahead of us but we dont like to talk about it too much! 11:33 SpaceLibrarian_home pends on the time 11:33 jwagner Can we push to either Thursday May 5, or the following Wednesday? 11:33 thd I have no previous meeting action items to bring up but we should look at them to help us follow through. 11:33 SpaceLibrarian_home lol 11:32 Brooke_ all in favour of hosing Europe 11:32 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:32 SpaceLibrarian_home that's what I said 11:31 Irma 2pm Kiwi is Noon in Sydney 11:31 SpaceLibrarian_home so 2pm kiwi/12pm aussie? 11:31 Irma good point! 11:31 SpaceLibrarian_home -8 hours? 11:30 jwagner It may be a problem for people traveling back from KUDOS on May 4 11:30 Irma Does this starting time suit NZers? 11:30 Brooke_ it's right after the KUDOS conference, but that's *after* so no 11:30 thd Are we missing an agenda item for old business? 11:30 SpaceLibrarian_home 4 May looks good. Any objections? 11:30 conan then it would be a nice suggestion to make for current hosts 11:29 Irma date: 4 May? 11:29 Brooke_ but we're getting a good body of past conference stuff 11:29 Brooke_ nope 11:29 conan do you have some conference guide? that should help getting proposals 11:29 Irma just having fun dreaming 11:29 Brooke_ #topic time and date of next meeting 11:29 Brooke_ so 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home That was easy. 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:28 conan there you have your shorlist 11:28 Brooke_ Think we might be talked out a wee bit, but I think this horse is well worth discussing in future and certainly on the wiki 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home has a nice ring to it 11:28 Irma 2011 Mumbai, 2012 Norway, 2013 Argentina ... ? 11:27 SpaceLibrarian_home <----neither 11:27 Brooke_ <--- not neutral at all 11:27 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:27 Brooke_ I concur Irma 11:27 conan think 2013 better 11:27 conan :P 11:27 Irma South America could be a *priority* 11:27 * SpaceLibrarian_home does like the prospect of Argentina 2012 though.... 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home that was what we've just bandied about.... 11:26 conan for the next one 11:26 * Brooke_ is truly evil. 11:26 conan we started a tradition some years ago, at the end of one convention, we hear the offers 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home I did... 11:26 Irma KohaCon2012 in Argentina couldbe nice ;-) 11:26 Brooke_ did anyone else hear that Argentina is interested in hosting? ;) 11:25 conan just sharing my experience in making conferences here in Argentina 11:25 Brooke_ we're trying to get things sorted to make things easier later 11:25 SpaceLibrarian_home we were saying, suggest a shortlist of 2012 at the end of the 2011 conf 11:25 thd I suggest that we move the discussion to the mailing list and the wiki page which Brooke_ started. 11:25 conan I know 11:25 Irma Sydney to Nepal was more costly than to India in airfares alone. 11:25 Brooke_ we aren't deciding yet 11:24 conan why do you want to decide now the place for 2012 conf, shouldn't you wait until 2011 is finished? 11:24 * SpaceLibrarian_home likes planning too much, but isn't volunteering anything. yet. 11:24 Brooke_ this happens a lot because we're planning deprived :P 11:24 Irma So each of us keen to attend can compare the costs involved depending on the pproposed hosts location etc. 11:24 Brooke_ I think we're talking bout 2012 and beyond Conan 11:24 SpaceLibrarian_home not yet 11:24 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 11:24 Brooke_ but I don't think we're at the part where it will be 11:23 conan are you still talking about kohacon2012 ? 11:23 Brooke_ it *could* be 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home or a very short one 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home that could be a long shortlist. 11:23 Brooke_ pretty much thd 11:23 thd ? 11:23 thd Brooke_ Do you mean a short list largely suggested by whomever proposes to host. 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home and you could use the conference to pitch as well 11:23 Brooke_ while the time between conference and the IRC meeting would be the 11th hour to get your proposal in tip top voting shape 11:22 * SpaceLibrarian_home likes that idea too 11:22 Brooke_ as in Hey, we'd like to host, would you like to come? 11:22 Brooke_ the short list to me is more of a mechanism to judge interest 11:21 * SpaceLibrarian_home nods 11:21 thd Yes, I asked all those providing proposals this time to give an estimate of the cheapest options for accommodation to help people decide. 11:21 Irma with access to a suitable venue and equipment and internet access 11:21 Brooke_ in reality, there might be other factors, like how hard it hits my wallet that they can't and shouldn't try to control for 11:21 SpaceLibrarian_home helps when approaching sponsors 11:21 Brooke_ exactly the more specific the proposal is, the more likely it is to get my vote abstractly 11:21 SpaceLibrarian_home and conference facilities may roughly cost x 11:20 Brooke_ or hey we have a quote from this hotel that will stand by this range in pricing 11:20 SpaceLibrarian_home roughly yes. Hence the question mark next to it. 11:20 Brooke_ as in we expect this to cost $X-$Z per participant with $Y sponsored 11:20 SpaceLibrarian_home just to show a commitment to hosting... but it would just illustrate prepareness 11:19 Brooke_ at the early stages, to me, I don't care if it's there, or if it is, if it's very rough 11:19 thd What is the function of budget in the context of a proposal? 11:18 jcamins mib_an1suz: there is currently a meeting underway. 11:18 thd mib_anlsuz: Someone will try to help you after the general meeting. 11:17 mib_an1suz how to resolv this issue can someone help me quickly 11:17 mib_an1suz we have recently upgraded to 3.2.6 and the koha-error.log says authorities-home.pl: oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) 11:17 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 11:16 Brooke_ <---- not neutral on this topic, either. 11:16 mib_an1suz i am not able to get any authorities searches 11:16 Brooke_ but as far as I'm concerned the proposal of interest would be good enough to short list 11:16 SpaceLibrarian_home you want to be able to make an informed choice when voting... 11:16 Brooke_ the budget stuff might even be a level of gradation out from a proposal of interest 11:16 Brooke_ I concur 11:16 SpaceLibrarian_home with a theme and rough budget? 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home a well considered and prepared bid? 11:15 thd What would be the means of selection for a short list? 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home and bad karma 11:15 Brooke_ which would result in a spanking, methinks. 11:14 Brooke_ unless they perpetually block vote 11:14 Brooke_ they could theoretically only do that once thd 11:14 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:14 Irma + 11:14 Brooke_ #idea have a shortlist of candidates for KohaCon by the end of the current conference. A vote would then take place at the General IRC meeting afterwards. 11:13 thd Continent or other large region limitation might be useful but without also having country limitation the most populous country may deprive others in the region of an opportunity to host. 11:13 Irma It also encourages participation of the bidders for hosting to attend KohaCon2011 11:13 Brooke_ at least not by presence 11:13 SpaceLibrarian_home great idea 11:12 Brooke_ and you won't have geography muck with voting 11:12 Brooke_ that way the hosts will know asap 11:12 Brooke_ with a vote at the next General meeting? 11:12 wahanui a shortlist is a good suggestion 11:12 Brooke_ a shortlist 11:12 Brooke_ how about 11:12 Brooke_ aye 11:12 Irma a shortlist is a good suggestion 11:11 SpaceLibrarian_home then announce the shortlist at the last day of conf. 11:11 Brooke_ at the next conference in order to make that happen 11:11 Brooke_ I'd wonder if it were possible to nest a general meeting for conference venue over irc 11:10 Irma BUt of course a year is a long time and offers might need to be withdraw 11:10 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm tired, forgive the pending spelling mistakes. 11:10 SpaceLibrarian_home it would be. Get the awareness and enthusiasm(sp) up 11:10 Brooke_ mmm 11:10 Irma It would be nice to be in a position to announce the next host on the last day of KohaCon2011. 11:09 SpaceLibrarian_home as we have seen before, yes? 11:09 thd A mere preference may be voted down by the most populous country which is why there should be some strength to the preference/rule. 11:08 Brooke_ #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Conference_Bidding 11:08 Brooke_ take a look over yonder 11:07 SpaceLibrarian_home good idea. 11:07 thd Priority well put. That could also be described as a fallback rule. 11:07 Irma perhaps then not rules but preferences re KohaCon's next location 11:07 SpaceLibrarian_home yes. 11:07 Brooke_ so I'd be for a priority 11:06 Brooke_ yes? 11:06 Brooke_ we wanna let things move if people do have a full tank 11:06 Brooke_ BUT 11:06 Brooke_ when no one else has the juice to host 11:06 Brooke_ there are gonna be times 11:06 Brooke_ here's the trick with that rule thd 11:06 SpaceLibrarian_home Or Scandinavia? 11:06 Brooke_ missing SA or Africa imo 11:06 thd We need some rule about limiting the same country in short succession 11:06 SpaceLibrarian_home Africa or the UK? 11:05 Brooke_ pretty good coverage 11:05 Brooke_ so we've been to India, EnZed, Yankeeland, and France 11:04 Brooke_ #topic KohaCon 2012 11:04 Brooke_ next to last agenda item 11:04 * Irma too :-) 11:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 11:04 * Brooke_ is hoping the vindaloo shall be delish. 11:03 Brooke_ was it ever 11:03 Irma Also the liquorice was delicious! 11:03 SpaceLibrarian_home I'll ask her tomorrow. 11:03 Brooke_ #idea consult with Kristina from Catalyst about digital resources 11:03 Irma Brooke ++ 11:02 Irma Maybe Kristina could suggest ways of making the editing a bit easier 11:02 Brooke_ and straight after conference, so while I was all hopped up on hugs, I linked stuff to the wiki 11:02 thd Her experience should be consulted for 2011. 11:02 SpaceLibrarian_home she did, they all look good. 11:02 Brooke_ indeed 11:01 Irma Catalyst's Kristina put in many hours to get the video recordings sorted! 11:01 SpaceLibrarian_home not much up there yet... 11:00 Brooke_ #link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 11:00 * SpaceLibrarian_home goes to look 10:59 SpaceLibrarian_home or, at least, the webpage. 10:59 Brooke_ there was a very high bar set at KohaCon2010 that I'm hoping continues on 10:59 SpaceLibrarian_home I think something about that is on the KohaCon link... 10:59 Brooke_ here's hoping 10:58 conan Brooke_: random kohacon2011: will be streaming and/or video of the dev introduction talks? 10:58 Brooke_ one of the things I'd wish for in addition to sparkle ponies would be better linkage of data. 10:58 Irma chi·can·er·y (shÄ-kÄ´nÉ™-rÄ“, chÄ-) n. pl. chi·can·er·ies 1. Deception by artful subterfuge or sophistry. 2. A piece of sharp practice (as at law). 10:58 * SpaceLibrarian_home did as well. 3am was not a good time 10:58 Brooke_ aye 10:57 * thd missed the previous volunteers meeting to raise the issue. 10:57 SpaceLibrarian_home I'll ask at the meeting on Friday. 10:56 thd I will make the suggestion for next year at least. 10:56 Brooke_ and it will *feel* like there was a weekend. 10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:56 Brooke_ I will guarantee chickanery 10:56 Brooke_ I'll tell you what 10:55 SpaceLibrarian_home there was vague talk of it, but nothing had been decided, last time I heard (last IRC meeting) 10:55 thd :( 10:54 hdl thd: i think there is no concensus 10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers#Next_Meeting 10:54 thd s/their/there/ 10:53 thd Will their be a weekend break before the development days? 10:53 Brooke_ if anyone has random stuff to say about KohaCon2011 say it now :D 10:52 Brooke_ thank ye Irma 10:51 Irma OK email sent just in case he is available 10:51 Brooke_ Shelley would you please link the volunteer meeting infor 10:49 SpaceLibrarian_home he timed out just before the meeting... 10:48 Irma KMKale might not be available on short notice 10:48 thd Well yes, but we too often have neglected sending a reminder to the mailing list. 10:48 Brooke_ #help someone to send out a meeting reminder 10:47 Irma should we email him? (says me who needed a reminder too...) 10:46 Irma 16:17 Wednesday (IST) - Time in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India 10:46 SpaceLibrarian_home the volunteers meeting is on Friday... 10:46 thd Maybe kmkale needed a reminder about this meeting. 10:44 Brooke_ pinch hitter for kmkale? 10:44 Brooke_ #topic KohaCon2011 10:43 rangi feel free to put that on a page :) 10:43 * Irma is wondering if anyone is working on a Serbian translation? 10:43 Brooke_ talked out on 3.4? 10:43 rangi that is the page documenting that 10:43 hdl rangi: yes... and page documenting that 10:42 wahanui hdl: I forgot first 10:42 hdl wahanui: forget the first 10:42 rangi hdl: ./installer/html-template-to-template-toolkit.pl -? 10:42 thd :) 10:42 wahanui i already had it that way, hdl. 10:42 hdl wahanui is a bot 10:42 thd What is the reason for a DB update for templates? 10:41 wahanui anything else is reinventing the wheel. 10:41 Brooke_ anything else? 10:40 wahanui the first is trivial to fix. second is a db update 10:40 hdl the first 10:40 thd Do I understand that Template::Toolkit will be the basis for all templates in 3.4 or is that being postponed until 3.6? 10:39 hdl rangi: can you post the link for template toolkit translation 10:38 Brooke_ floor comments for 3.4? 10:38 rangi except to thank everyone for helping 10:38 rangi i think thats all from me 10:38 rangi for 3.6 we can start reorganising the templates, but for now, not doing that so that we can get the old patches in 10:37 rangi hdl: yep, its quite easy to do 10:37 Irma What team work! 10:36 Brooke_ rangi++ and the community++ 10:36 cait yay! 10:36 hdl the automated translation of template is documented. 10:36 rangi with a LOT of new feautures and even more fixes in it 10:36 rangi but we are on track for an ontime release 10:35 rangi i will write a mail about how to sign off and test old patches too 10:35 rangi but from them on, all new patches should be done against master, ie Template::Toolkit 10:35 cait magnus was working on my bug for adding state to borrowers - can this go in before template toolkit? 10:35 huginn 04Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 10:35 hdl #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 10:34 rangi i will continue to convert and merge changes to the old templates 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 10:34 hdl we are testing also the bug 5579 10:34 huginn 04Bug 5917: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 10:34 hdl #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 10:34 rangi UTC 10:34 cait bug 5917 10:34 Brooke_ for clarification's sake 8th UTC or Kiwi? 10:34 rangi i am going to merge new/enh/bug_5917 into master 10:33 hdl and beginning translation (french) 10:33 rangi after teh 8th 10:33 hdl we had a testing group who is testing the template toolkit branch 10:33 Irma hackfesters ++ 10:33 cait we try our best 10:33 rangi and yes the hackfesters are signing off lots 10:33 Brooke_ merci! 10:33 clrh at Marseille we are doing our best to signoff etc. :) 10:32 rangi string freeze is on the 8th 10:32 rangi we are past feature freeze, i have moved some bugs to rel_3_6 already 10:31 Brooke_ take it away Rangi :) 10:31 Brooke_ #topic 3.4 update 10:30 Brooke_ any other 3.0 business? 10:30 Brooke_ #action raise question of ending 3.0 on the list 10:29 rangi (10 months since 3.0.6) 10:29 Brooke_ so 10:29 * cait hides 10:29 Irma cait has a good idea 10:29 clrh so, we can close the 3.0 patches if master does not need it? 10:29 Brooke_ aye cait 10:29 rangi im just thinking that decision was made a long time ago 10:29 cait perhaps raise it on the mailing list? 10:29 thd However, 3.2 could be recommended for security. 10:29 hdl Brooke_: the whole community is not there. 10:28 thd I only see the issue of security. 10:28 Brooke_ anyone present who *can* see the necessity of a 3.0 release, identify now or forever be lost in the sands of time. 10:28 hdl cycle of releases. 10:28 thd Which cycle? 10:28 Irma can't see the necessity of 3.0 releases 10:28 hdl the cycle 10:28 rangi yep, but we can always change our minds :) 10:27 thd loop? 10:27 hdl rangi: maybe not... actually. But we agreed to end the loop 10:27 Brooke_ <--- not neutral on the topic 10:27 Brooke_ further ideas about the necessity of 3.0 10:26 Brooke_ theoretically, you might stall a couple and 3.4 will be out 10:26 rangi do we think we still need another 3.0 release, or should we call it done? 10:25 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees with Brooke_ 10:25 Brooke_ unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting, 5 yard penalty. 10:25 * Brooke_ tosses the penalty flag at Magnus 10:25 magnuse (lunch pizzas just arrived in Marseille ;-) 10:24 hdl still striving to get one out 10:24 * hdl hides away 10:24 wahanui hdl is sure that Croswalking records in zebra is also ram demanding. 10:24 Brooke_ hdl? 10:24 Brooke_ #topic 3.0 update 10:23 Irma chris_n++ 10:23 cait chris_n++ 10:23 Brooke_ chris_n++ 10:23 hdl chris_n++ 10:22 Brooke_ indeed, huzzah for frequent and timely releases 10:22 hdl keep up the very good job 10:22 Brooke_ any 3.2 comments or queries? 10:22 SpaceLibrarian_home hi Irma. 10:22 Brooke_ hooray 10:22 Irma hi all 10:21 rangi #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-March/035273.html 10:21 Brooke_ else I'll do it later 10:21 Brooke_ if some dear soul will take the time to link that to the wiki agenda and minutes, would be great 10:20 rangi releasing 3.2.7 on the 15th (ish) 10:20 Irma thanks for the heads up hdl 10:20 Brooke_ that counts. 10:20 rangi but he outlined his plan in an email to the list 10:20 Brooke_ is the other chris awake? 10:20 rangi no chris_n i dont think 10:20 Irma Irma Birchall CALYX Australia 10:19 Brooke_ #topic Roadmap to 3.2 update 10:19 hdl (introductions) 10:19 Irma oh 10:19 hdl regular meeting now ;) 10:19 Irma Salut! 10:18 hdl Hi 10:18 Irma Bonsoir hdl 10:18 AmitG heya Amit G 10:18 hdl BobB: Irma ? AmitG ? 10:17 frido Fridolyn SOMERS, Progilone 10:17 Brooke_ anyone else for introductions? 10:16 cait thd: not sure this was a clever move 10:16 * thd has read the bot manual and cannot claim ignorance in future. 10:14 * clrh Claire Hernandez, BibLibre 10:14 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst 10:14 * cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:14 jwagner Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 10:14 * magnuse Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (currently in Marseille ;-) 10:14 * hdl Henri-Damien LAURENT, France RMaint 3.0 10:14 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:14 rangi Chris Cormack, RM 10:13 Brooke_ introduce yourselves to noone in particular - go! 10:13 Brooke_ #topic Introductions 10:13 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:13 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 6 10:14:24 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:13 Brooke_ #startmeeting 10:13 Brooke_ Fine, I'll chair, but you're getting a tyrant ant this hour :P 10:13 cait what about Brooke_ - she did a great job last time 10:13 Brooke_ not a very good one, if Brooke can do it anyone can :P 10:13 rangi and we want volunteers not appointed 10:12 cait and it's my excuse too 10:12 thd That was my excuse :) 10:12 rangi might be a bit unfair without giving her time to read up on the bot 10:12 hdl follow the link 10:12 cait I don't know the bot 10:12 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 10:12 Brooke_ cait's chairing. 10:12 Brooke_ motion carries 10:12 Brooke_ second 10:12 thd I nominate cait 10:12 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi ++ 10:11 * Brooke_ points at cait. 10:11 rangi im gonna do my 3.4 and go to sleep 10:11 rangi nope 10:11 cait feeling up to it rangi? 10:11 thd my hand is awake, therefore, it must be time to start. 10:11 rangi who is going to chair? 10:11 * SpaceLibrarian_home laughs 10:11 * Brooke_ follows cait with a flat white 10:10 * SpaceLibrarian_home sends milo 10:10 * cait sends rangi chocolate to keep him awake 10:10 hdl hi 10:09 * thd was forgetting that chris is taken 10:09 rangi here as always 10:09 thd Where is the release manager? 10:08 cait so, should we start the meeting? 10:08 thd s/announcement/reminder/ 10:08 thd was there an announcement on the mailing list? 10:07 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm still waiting to go to bed... :p 10:06 thd my hand is still asleep 10:06 Brooke_ bah, it ain't early if birds are awake 10:06 thd :) 10:06 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:05 jwagner Glad I didn't get up this early in vain :-) 10:05 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 10:05 SpaceLibrarian_home jwagner: yep 10:05 cait fredericd: ping 10:05 jwagner There is a meeting scheduled for now, isn't there? 10:04 rangi but yeah, translation managers decision 10:04 cait hm 10:04 rangi i thought it did already 10:04 cait ? 10:04 cait without marking them _( 10:04 cait so you think we should make it pick up the alerts? 10:04 cait oh right 10:03 rangi youll have to talk to the translation manager then 10:02 cait hm, rangi: string was not found in my updated po files :( 10:00 Brooke_ the bionic ones need ttfu then :P 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home they are* 10:00 cait not only true for kiwis :) 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home Unless the bionic and have been running at 250% for the past while... 09:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yes. 09:59 Brooke_ truf: kiwis only need chocolate or coffee. Not sleep. 09:59 cait ah ok 09:58 rangi a little 09:58 cait did you sleep? 09:58 cait rangi: I am testing it 09:58 rangi yep 09:58 frido it will give msgid : "string %s string" in PO file 09:57 rangi yeah 09:57 frido _() is usefull if there are variables no ? : alter("string" + var + "string") 09:57 rangi when its just an alert containing a string 09:56 frido but it might brake js code 09:56 rangi i dont think you need the _ for alerts 09:56 frido some strings are translated anyway i think 09:55 cait something to do before string freeze 09:55 cait perhaps another project for this week 09:55 cait hmpf. 09:55 frido ah, i know a lot of them 09:54 cait only very few strings using the _( 09:54 cait frido: I tried a search on the git repo and if that's true we have a lot of problems with alert strings in there :( 09:53 frido it is useless for execution 09:52 frido i say yes, _() is a javascript function to isolate strings for translations 09:49 cait alert(_('leader has an incorrect size: ' + leader_length + ' instead of 24 chars')); 09:49 cait I think it should probably more look like this 09:49 cait it works fine :) only questioning the translation side of things 09:49 jwagner ah. can't help you there :-) 09:49 cait but I think it's missing the markers for proper pickup from the translation tool 09:48 cait jwagner it's ok 09:48 magnuse cait: looks good to me 09:48 jwagner cait, it looks OK, assuming it's a warning message when someone tries a z39.50 search without choosing a target 09:47 cait alert("Please choose at least one Z39.50 target"); 09:47 cait hm, this does not look right for me (translation) - any ideas? 09:45 magnuse so i want to sign off on a branch, specifically http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5422 - do i just change the status in bugzilla to signed off, or do i generate patches, sign off on them and send them to the patches list? 09:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 09:44 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 09:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #126: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/126/ 09:44 jwagner Guten tag, cait! 09:44 cait morning jwagner 09:42 cait :) 09:41 frido just arrived, ready to hack 09:41 cait magnus++ for marzipan 09:36 Brooke_ sounds like it 09:36 cait search for patrons in patron card creation only works with category codes (A = Adult and such), not the descriptions - bug? 09:35 Brooke_ guten morgen! 09:35 cait hm 09:35 cait hi Brooke_ 09:34 * Brooke_ is fairly certain the people over on the Washington Post forum and elsewhere claiming that this isn't a revenue problem failed either basic maths or basic civics... 09:28 AmitG heya Brookie 09:28 Brooke_ :) 09:27 magnuse kia ora Brooke_! 09:27 Brooke_ kia ora! 09:10 cait eythian++ 09:06 * eythian makes like a tree and gets outta here 09:06 eythian Yeah, one of these days I'll do that. 09:05 SpaceLibrarian_home eythian: fair enough. I wish I had 2 monitors at home. 09:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 126 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields 09:04 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields 09:04 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN 09:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #125: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/125/ 09:03 eythian cait et al: that's what I'm up to with it now 09:03 pastebot0 "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "new accounts status" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/197 08:58 eythian I don't have two monitors at home, so prefer to do this sort of thing here :) 08:57 SpaceLibrarian_home :) I have manuals to write though. And I took work home with me. I guess that's okay then. 08:56 * SpaceLibrarian_home feels guilty 08:56 eythian SpaceLibrarian_home: i'm not a quitter like you ;) 08:56 eythian a little while yet, but it's mostly downhill from here :) 08:56 * SpaceLibrarian_home can't believe eythian's still at work 08:55 cait and have a nice evening :) 08:55 cait eythian: when can I test and sign-off? 08:55 cait :) 08:49 * eythian has a restructured accounts system that has the ability to do partial payments. That's a good time to go home. 08:32 * rangi wanders off again! 08:32 rangi altho i might not wake up 08:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f7411ceee5887751fb34ad2c72c83216d55f0c1> 08:31 rangi just a lie down, not sleep, meeting in 1.5 hours 08:30 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 08:30 cait rangi: sleep well 08:29 rangi hdl: try opening the file in poedit it might tell you where the bad char is, now im really gone :) 08:27 hdl t 08:27 hdl good nigh 08:27 * rangi goes for a lie down 08:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 125 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5924 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Authorities search : Heading Main is defined in unimarc record.abs 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4837 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, guillaume.hatt, ASSIGNED, Circulation Print Page uses incorrect heading / incorrect information 08:24 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4196 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole Engard: bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description 08:24 jenkins_koha * fdurand: Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * fdurand: Bug 4196 - Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * Frédérick Capovilla: Corrects an error when showing a suggestion linked to a deleted budget. 08:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #124: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/124/ 08:24 rangi yep, that means there is a bad character in the .po file 08:23 hdl msgmerge: 2 erreurs fatales trouvées 08:23 hdl /tmp/l803KrhVd9:60527:9: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide 08:23 hdl /tmp/l803KrhVd9:35360:14: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide 08:23 hdl Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. 08:23 hdl => Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. 08:23 hdl rangi: on ./translate update 08:22 cait what should I do? 08:21 cait this is a complicated one- it will not break anything, it will just not work 08:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6073 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, string missing for translation in acq.js 08:21 cait bug 6073 08:20 * cait waves to paul_p 08:16 cait oh I totally forgot about string freeze! 08:13 rangi the less broken master wil be after then 08:13 rangi the more 5917 gets tested before then 08:13 rangi it is only 3 days till string freeze 08:13 rangi and i do it every day on my testing site, i have to have both or i cant apply patches 08:12 rangi hdl: yes, you do 08:12 rangi ill git mv them just before i merge but for now, check out the branch, do the mvs 08:12 hdl rangi: but when you push new patches, you have to redo all over again... And breaks the site. 08:11 rangi as patches are still coming in for the old templates 08:11 rangi because i need to track both currently 08:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6f28246ae08440da8065183dae091bbf0a0b34b> 08:11 clrh hackfest - available to work on another subject "other sign off" or "circulation sign off" or other now 08:11 rangi thats why i list doing it 08:11 rangi no you do it yourself 08:11 hdl rangi: I have a template uri... But that move directory was not done with git... 08:10 fredericd but there are volunteer in Marseille available for starting the job... 08:10 rangi hdl: not a huge amount in the opac, quite a lot in the staff side, lots of patches have changed templates 08:10 fredericd me too 08:10 rangi so starting on that now makes more sense to me 08:10 rangi on the 8th when i call string freeze, the TT branch will be merged into master 08:09 hdl Do you think there will be much changes in strings ? 08:09 fredericd So wouldn't start translating 3.4 string on HTML::Template branch but do it on the TT one? 08:09 rangi then they will be guaranteed to work with the TT ones, because they will have been updated by the new translation tools 08:08 rangi i would check out 5917, and update the 3.2 po files there using the method i outlined before 08:08 rangi i wouldnt do that 08:07 fredericd rangi: Some contextualizaton... The demand originated from the Marseille hackfesters. They would like to begin translating. So I could generate .po file on current HEAD templates. Is it certain that those pre-3.4 .po file will upgrade smoothly to TT? 08:05 rangi thats what we are aiming for, that we can use the 3.2 files 08:04 rangi and use it for 3.4 08:04 rangi that we can upgrade a 3.2 po file 08:04 rangi the main point is that people dont have to retranslate 08:03 rangi order, and the comments etc 08:03 rangi there will be differences 08:02 fredericd or I could try creating .po files on master (HTML:/Template) and on this branch, and see if there is any difference? 08:00 rangi 5917 tracks master 08:00 rangi any testing would be appreciated 08:00 rangi then try updating some of the 3.2 ones 07:59 rangi mv koha-tt koha-tmpl 07:59 rangi mv koha-tmpl to koha-tmpl.old 07:59 rangi check it out 07:59 rangi theres a chance, havent seen it happen yet, you can expirement with 5917 07:58 fredericd rangi: So there isn't any chance that string extraction differs, even marginaly, if done on HTML::Template or TT and so disrupts install/update process? 07:55 rangi i created translated .tt files from the 3.2 po files 07:55 rangi thats the reworked translate scripts, you can use them in the exact same way 07:55 rangi in the misc/translator dir 07:55 rangi checkout out new/enh/bug_5917 07:54 rangi all the have is a string in one language, that maps to a string in another language 07:54 rangi po files dont care at all about how they were made 07:54 rangi fredericd: its been done and yes they will still be able to update 07:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5555' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31c519006ef2850c7b9451d688858b2b19e97e37> / Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab7435f964336a18f760b9dd91d4b4506528a051> 07:51 fredericd I mean if I create .po files now on HTML::Template, will they be usable to update, install on TT? 07:51 fredericd rangi: For 3.4 with TT, tmpl_process3.pl has to be rewritten. You explained me that it was done or about to be done. Will it change the produced .po files? 07:50 rangi they would both be use cases 07:50 rangi yeah 07:49 eythian But it probably requires a seperate form. 07:49 eythian oh, I've got two ways that partial payments may work: one is that the user gives you $10 and you pay off $10 worth of whatever is there, the other is you say what you want paid off, and what you want partially paid off with an amount and it does the maths to work out how much they paid you. At the moment I'm doing the latter, but I just thought that the former is a likely use case too. 07:45 eythian ah, good to know 07:45 rangi cool C4::Context->userenv is the way i was going to suggest 07:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 124 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:44 eythian rangi: yeah, the staff user. But I found that was already looked up so it's OK. 07:44 rangi eythian: the user is logged in already eh? 07:43 eythian oh right, it'll work in whatever it's translated into :) 07:43 cait I am too slow for irc this morning - still waking up 07:42 cait was still talking about description 07:42 eythian cait: user IDs don't need to be in German :) 07:42 eythian Oh, we have a template defined here anyway. Easy. 07:41 cait eythian: and being able to save it in german will be good too 07:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c19d505abb1b492cc21e6f5b78fb4de91da44419> / bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcbcdcf4cebdb32544a545d8ef91de1bbe67f457> / Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup <http://git.koha-community.or 07:41 eythian Need to find how to get the user ID without bothering with the template guff. 07:41 cait eythian: yep - make it work :) 07:41 hdl rangi: around 20 folks 07:40 eythian yeah, that's what I thought. It was how the staff user that was doing the payment was recorded. 07:40 rangi but not with our cookie based 07:40 clrh wontfix? 07:40 clrh wich status? 07:40 rangi eythian: that works with http auth 07:40 clrh ok hdl 07:40 hdl clrh: you may close 07:39 eythian I don't think that'll ever work, right? 07:39 eythian > my $user = $input->remote_user; 07:38 clrh hdl 5102 is about 3.0 and master does not need it what do I do with it? 07:37 eythian yeah, it's a brilliant idea :) 07:37 mtj eythian: love the abandonwear site! 07:37 clrh hi everyone 07:37 eythian but I won't for now, first priority is making it work :) 07:37 eythian Well, we could do something like 'if it's a blank message and a payment type, then display the default message'. 07:36 eythian hmm 07:36 cait hm I see why that would be good 07:36 cait you know, it would be really cool if one could switch the language in opac to english it would still look ok :) 07:36 eythian It's easy to make it a real input box now though, so people could add custom notes or whatever. 07:35 cait ;) 07:35 cait oh... 07:35 eythian it saves into the database. 07:35 cait or will the formatting / strings all be on template level? 07:35 cait eythian: hm I wonder - it will save the translated string into description in the database? 07:34 cait :) 07:34 eythian cait: good point, although no time right now. Either way, it's been refactored to a much higher level now so should it need to change, it's a lot easier. 07:34 eythian mtj: there have been a lot of people away sick lately, so I think there is something going around. 07:34 cait and check the created po file for the strings 07:33 cait perl install update somelanguagecode 07:33 mtj ah ok, i picked up a nasty sore throat on monday, and wondered if it was doing the rounds.. 07:33 cait eythian - you can check it quite easily - I have to do that sometimes too 07:33 cait eythian++ :) 07:33 cait yes :) 07:33 cait ah :) 07:33 cait h 07:33 eythian http://abandonwear.biz/fullcatalog/ <-- oh wow! 07:33 eythian cait: you were asking for that string to be translatable. 07:32 cait huh? 07:32 eythian sweet. cait, there you go :) 07:32 rangi eythian: yep thats fine 07:32 rangi mtj: no more than usual, was just wondering how many hackfesters there are 07:28 eythian rangi: quick question, if I do: <input type="hidden" name="default_message" value="Payment, thanks" /> will that text string be translateable? 07:28 mtj rangi: theres a bug going around at werk? 07:27 rangi how many people today? 07:26 rangi doing better, should be all good by tomorrow 07:26 cait how are you? 07:26 cait hi rangi 07:26 rangi hi cait 07:26 cait bonjour #koha 07:23 rangi yeah thats always a good feeling 07:22 eythian and cleaning up a lot of code as I go, which is satisfying, too. 07:21 eythian awesome :) 07:21 rangi eythian: doing a lot better, should be back on deck tomorrow, its amazing what some sleep can do 07:21 rangi well done even 07:20 francharb hello all 07:20 eythian how're you? 07:20 rangi well one 07:20 rangi w00t 07:20 eythian rangi: almost got the accounts stuff reproducing the old behaviour with a few extensions using the new API. 07:19 hdl hi rangi 07:19 rangi evening 07:18 hdl fredericd: around ? 06:34 eythian damn, I didn't notice ronald had logged in. 06:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5410 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, "Right truncation not supported" error when running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 06:25 jenkins_koha Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm 06:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #123: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/123/ 06:16 cait bbl :) 06:10 * kmkale but not with Koha+CentOS 06:09 * kmkale has lots of CentOS experience 05:49 * ebegin is looking for someone with CentOS experience. :) 05:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 123 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5941 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED, Change the link in the authority search results, to a phrase search 05:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6040 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, opac-export.pl can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record 05:45 jenkins_koha * Alex Arnaud: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl 05:45 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export 05:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #122: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/122/ 05:43 kmkale AmitG: How about that link? 05:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4edffc16adacb439601f9051bacd89869018f7> 05:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f49c1108dad5ef7548929b23d4a3815ae1a166> / Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58013b6c2ad01b87c778ec56bf02dd58e826200e> 05:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6047 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority not added if subfield 3 in biblio 05:05 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresponding authorities 05:05 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order 05:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #121: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/121/ 04:35 Cybermon where located zebra indexed files ? 04:27 Cybermon thanks a lot 04:26 rangi Cybermon: email the koha list, cait has done with with icu and hebrew searching, she probably knows the answer 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, can't use ? character in searches 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5942 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, UNIMARC Authorities SQL data 04:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5914 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, BuildUnimarcHierarchies can go into an infinite loop in certain conditions 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6056 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Notes on order line not shown when modifying 04:25 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5651: Question marks break searches w/ICU 04:25 jenkins_koha * Stéphane Delaune: Bug 5942, sql for UNIMARC Authorities 04:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5914 : BuildUnimarchierarchies can go into an infinite loop Squashed commit of the following: 04:25 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6056: Notes were not shown when modifying order line 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6044 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same 04:25 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: BZ6058: uncertain price can't be unchecked 04:25 jenkins_koha * Alex Arnaud: Bug #6044 - Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same 04:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #120: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/120/ 04:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6065' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99160747f48e591b482a3fcd7844d11b57f1e8db> / Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresp... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96f054e90d4a582b13f1f6d2922b4ae99999a23d> / BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order <http://git.koha-communi 04:21 Cybermon what is your advice or suggest ? 04:21 Cybermon :-) 04:20 rangi yep, probably the proper fix is to set up icu and zebra, but i wont have time to even start looking at that until after the release 04:19 Cybermon for example: au:Ðацагдорж 04:16 Cybermon especially the mongolian books 04:16 Cybermon i think that some books not available for search 04:15 Cybermon thanks. 04:13 rangi http://124.158.90.2/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=a&limit= 04:13 rangi Cybermon: your server is not running zebra anymore i switched it back the way you had it, to nozebra 04:13 rangi space_librarian: ill live 04:11 Cybermon anyone experience zebra indexing ? 04:11 space_librarian how are you feeling rangi? any better? 04:10 ibeardslee awww 04:10 Cybermon hi rangi 04:10 Cybermon hi all 04:10 space_librarian wizzyrea: :D You're awesome. 04:10 space_librarian rangi: was thinking that... ibeardslee: of course it was a full box. I have my own. 04:10 wizzyrea I'd share with space_librarian anyday 04:10 ibeardslee or had you lightened it? 04:09 ibeardslee space_librarian: was that a full box? 04:09 rangi its pizza thursday tomorrow 04:09 * wizzyrea cries... so beautiful 04:09 * space_librarian hands wizzyrea a box of Hell's pizza 04:08 wizzyrea smoked salmon, cream cheese, and caper pizza nommmmmmmmm 04:08 * ibeardslee hands wizzyrea a napkin 04:08 * wizzyrea remembers Hell pizza, drools a little 04:05 ibeardslee wasn't sure if the beating would be worth the beating 04:04 space_librarian he also has enough sense to not get between a woman and her chocolate tart. Smart, smart man. :p 04:03 ibeardslee of course he has ;) 04:02 space_librarian ibeardslee has the right idea. 04:02 ibeardslee you don't want it too hellish when you are going there, you can pick up some extra hell when you get there 04:01 eythian that's not a very hellish handbasket. 03:59 ibeardslee mmmm 03:59 space_librarian and some red wine and baguettes to keep it company 03:59 ibeardslee with a nice red and white check lining? 03:58 * space_librarian notices her grammar has gone to hell in a handbasket. 03:57 kmkale yah. constantly till he says yes ;) 03:56 * space_librarian laughs. She wonders how many times is Rangi going to get asked that question. 03:55 AmitG chris: are you coming for kohacon in India 03:54 kmkale heh 03:53 AmitG heya chris, kmkale 03:53 ibeardslee sadly cricket just has memories of standing around in the hot sun feeling faint waiting for someone to hit a ball in my direction (for me to miss catching it anyway) 03:53 AmitG heya all 03:53 rangi yeah 03:52 space_librarian and pull off some great upsets. 03:52 kmkale hi AmitG 03:52 kmkale I thought this years format was good. It allowed lower teams to showcase their talent 03:52 space_librarian that's around here, though, isn't it? And I can't believe they did that to Ireland. 03:51 kmkale and thats really unfair on ireland 03:51 rangi the ICC are ruining cricket 03:51 rangi im not gonna bother watching the 2015 03:51 rangi i would be too 03:51 kmkale lol 03:50 space_librarian rangi: they're bitter over in the Emerald Isle. Fair enough, but damn... 03:50 rangi kmkale: https://twitter.com/#!/cricketireland/status/55233959524704256 03:50 space_librarian haha! 03:49 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 03:49 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea is also a koha poet 03:49 space_librarian that's awesome. lol 03:49 wizzyrea well that's very sweet 03:49 wizzyrea oh my 03:49 wahanui you are a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 03:49 space_librarian wizzyrea: so are you! 03:49 wahanui i guess space_librarian is a Koha poet 03:49 wizzyrea space_librarian? 03:49 wizzyrea space_librarian is a Koha poet 03:48 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot space_librarian 03:48 wizzyrea forget space_librarian 03:48 kmkale now its a race between politicians to heap awards on the team 03:47 kmkale yup 03:47 space_librarian that quote is going to get old soon. Hey kmkale... have the parties across India started to wind down yet? :) 03:46 wahanui hmmm... space_librarian is a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ? 03:46 kmkale hey space_librarian 03:46 space_librarian namaste kmkale 03:46 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 120 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6058' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bdfefc7e1962a64079eb119d5229bfa28cf979d> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6056' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=827c575b18c0914045b2855b066277f104e22ded> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5942' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c 03:27 ebegin any centOS specialist around ? 02:50 * space_librarian laughs... then remembers that she too can recall when 500Mb was... 02:50 wizzyrea in some places, on some providers, sure 02:50 wizzyrea you'd think that, but I'm not so sure. 02:49 space_librarian at least your broadband over there is faster than ours... 02:49 * wizzyrea remembers when 500Mb was a big hd... o god I'm old now. 02:49 wizzyrea this is taking forever! 02:49 wizzyrea you know 20mb is not that much data, but my broadband at my house is terrible! 02:34 space_librarian lest they be caught in the darkness of uncategorized oblivion. 02:32 wizzyrea dragging wraiths of uncataloged books to salvation in organization 02:30 space_librarian caught in the semantic web... 02:28 wizzyrea merely ghosts of koha users in other timezones, adrift in a sea of bits 02:28 space_librarian we're figments of your imagination... 02:24 Cybermon :-) 02:24 eythian nope. 02:18 Cybermon anyone here ? 01:57 Cybermon Good morning all... 01:52 Irma Has the "Recent Acquisitions" under Search on the mainpage.pl in the English interface been removed? It is still there in the French interface: Rechercher * Chercher dans le catalogue : * Acquisitions récentes 01:51 Irma :-) 01:51 Irma chris_n ping 00:15 hdl going to bed sorry 00:14 hdl too tired. 00:14 hdl misc/cronjobs/notifyMailsOp.pl 00:14 hdl used in GetNotifyMailOps 00:14 hdl seems like something developed by and for SAN . 00:11 eythian yeah, I'm getting that impression too. I'm going to strip it out I think. If anyone complains, reimplementing it properly won't be hard. 00:10 hdl mmmm from my little investigation, seems like an unused and maybe underdeveloped feature 00:06 eythian it's in there, I'm trying to work out if it's being used. 00:05 hdl eythian: is it in the present system ? 00:05 eythian catch you later 00:05 hdl notify id 00:05 eythian oh, OK :) 00:05 eythian do you know how it works? There's notify_id and notify_level... 00:04 hdl but it is 2 AM here... going to bed. Have a nice evening 00:04 hdl iirc 00:04 hdl eythian: sending a message to the patron or the librarian when there is a fine. 00:02 eythian what is the purpose of all the 'notify' stuff in the accounts system?