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23:59 rangi would
23:59 jcamins_away I just read the manual.
23:59 jcamins_away But, hey, what do I know?
23:59 rangi from a liblimer no less
23:58 rangi yeah
23:58 jcamins_away "The seventeen that say what they do?"
23:58 rangi whoa what a dick
23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5990 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Lists and Cart show LOC code, not Location Authorized value
23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, COiNS in the OPAC search results should be optional
23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4943 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Search history cookie size limit
23:55 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value
23:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version number
23:55 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional
23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5828 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client
23:55 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 4943: Search history cookie size limit
23:55 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5828 - notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client
23:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #96: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/96/
23:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 96 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90392c19cc343ada611c1f06e4b5c20f3dd6dc93> / Bumping database version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1331722f116d7dce313bb37c100f235d468d3a6> / Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
23:02 jcamins_away You're welcome.
23:02 rangi righto thanks
23:02 rangi yeah that sounds like something that should be fixed first
23:01 jcamins_away Once you work out *why* the analytics stuff doesn't work, it works well, but every time I've tested (on different data), it's taken me hours to realize that's the problem.
23:00 rangi ta
23:00 rangi say thats what is holding back it being merged
23:00 rangi ahh maybe ill wait for that and ping them on that
23:00 rangi afaict it causes no regressions
23:00 jcamins_away My one concern is that they still don't populate even the default framework.
23:00 jcamins_away That's reasonable.
23:00 jcamins_away Hm.
22:59 rangi given colin and you both seem mostly happy with it, im pretty inclined to merge it in
22:58 rangi jcamins_away: what do you reckon the chances are of getting in the osslabs analytics work
22:38 rangi night
22:38 rangi :)
22:38 cait good night all
22:38 cait ok, time to get some sleep - so I get a chance to make use of tomorrow :)
22:34 jcamins_away eythian++
22:34 jcamins_away Thanks.
22:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6031 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing
22:33 eythian jcamins_away: Bug 6031
22:29 rangi as long as its submitted for signoff, its eligible
22:29 jcamins_away I won't be able to sign off on it until Saturday, but this way Chris might be willing to include it in 3.4.
22:28 jcamins_away Thanks.
22:28 eythian jcamins_away: just checked that patch, looks good, will send it soon.
22:17 cait aha!
22:15 jcamins_away And eythian is in NZ. ;)
22:15 jcamins_away cait: but that's for features from you.
22:15 cait not sure I will make it though... but still a chance then :)
22:15 rangi ill let you do that
22:14 cait I thought end of 1st my day?
22:14 cait oh
22:14 jcamins_away ;)
22:13 jcamins_away Either way, end of the day for eythian, not for me.
22:11 rangi yep
22:11 rangi if its a bug, its ok, new feature today is cut off
22:11 jcamins_away I meant feature freeze.
22:11 eythian it's still a feature :)
22:11 jcamins_away Oh.
22:10 rangi string freeze isnt until the 8th
22:10 rangi jcamins_away: thats feature freeze
22:10 jcamins_away Chris said anything that's not been sent to the list by the end of your day can't get in.
22:10 eythian oh, OK
22:10 jcamins_away Your end of day.
22:10 jcamins_away No, not my end of day.
22:10 eythian actually, I'll just do it after writing this email.
22:10 eythian I'll try to do that :) when's the end of your day?
22:09 jcamins_away If you submit it before the end of the day, I'll sign off on it before string freeze. :)
22:09 eythian (as in, the package rebuild script)
22:09 eythian although there is a patch that I haven't done anything with just yet to give the rebuild script the option to be verbose.
22:08 jcamins_away Okay, thanks.
22:08 eythian sudo -u 'opus-koha' -H env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib KOHA_CONF='/etc/koha/sites/opus/koha-conf.xml' /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v -r
22:08 eythian to do a full index, I usually do, e.g:
22:08 eythian check the daemon is running (sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart)
22:07 jcamins_away (after a reindex)
22:07 jcamins_away So what do you do if your system inexplicably stops searching?
22:07 jcamins_away Hm.
22:07 eythian jcamins_away: not as such, but any messages it produces will be emailed to root by cron.
22:06 jcamins_away eythian: is there any log from rebuild_zebra with the packages?
22:04 eythian that's what I remember, a nice cool morning there :)
22:04 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Honiara / Henderson, Solomon Islands is 25.0�C (8:00 AM SBT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
22:04 eythian @wunder honiara
20:55 rangi cool
20:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5578 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, SCO using login for authentication
20:55 jenkins_koha Ian Walls: Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule
20:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #95: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/95/
20:42 bg rain rain go away
20:41 rangi heh
20:41 gmcharlt the rain is following me
20:41 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 23.6�C (4:42 PM EDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.57 in 1001.2 hPa (Steady).
20:41 gmcharlt @wunder 32605
20:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9�C (10:40 PM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
20:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:40 bg I walk outside and melt
20:37 wizzyrea it's cold here.
20:37 wizzyrea yea, eat it
20:37 rangi naw, im wearing long sleeves
20:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 4.8�C (3:37 PM CDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling).
20:37 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
20:36 bg wanna trade rangi?
20:36 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:36 bg @wunder wellington nz
20:36 bg :D
20:36 rangi thank god there isnt webcams in irc
20:35 wizzyrea !!!
20:35 * bg is almost ready to work in the buff
20:34 bg man it's freaking hot here today...
20:34 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 33.6�C (1:34 PM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
20:34 bg @wunder 93109
20:29 rangi i love git add ; git commit --amend
20:27 rangi ill just fix the license and copyright and send the patch
20:26 sekjal neat!
20:26 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=78bcff64c24f18389e46c2940ad8f01cd374d144
20:26 rangi ohh heres a handy one!
20:25 cait :)
20:23 space_librarian :)
20:23 rangi yup
20:23 space_librarian I got it right?
20:22 rangi thanks space_librarian for making the bug
20:22 rangi yup
20:22 cait that's a good thing
20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6024 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Run a Report immediately after creating or editing
20:21 cait oh bug 6024
20:15 rangi its pretty sweet how fast it was caught and fixed
20:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 95 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:15 rangi no problemo
20:14 sekjal rangi: thanks
20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
20:14 schuster bug 5548
20:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5548' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=849342e3f513f4b48d9c9e5a9ce3f4bb49b9dc73> / Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6fa48d19b6e5c5ab5c0d16f17a588f56a39870>
20:10 cait rangi :cool :)
20:09 rangi :)
20:08 sekjal so, I was close :)
20:08 sekjal 5548
20:08 rangi tell the right number ill commit --amend :)
20:08 rangi that one hasnt been pushed yet, so im guessing so :)
20:08 sekjal argh
20:08 sekjal oh geeze, did I get the wrong number?
20:07 rangi is that what the follow up is for?
20:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5578 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, SCO using login for authentication
20:07 rangi sekjal: bug 5578
20:05 rangi no those are new work ones, biblibres branches are pretty much done
20:04 cait dealing with biblibre's branches?
20:03 rangi the transport matrix one is up too :) getting htere
19:59 SpaceLibrarian_home right. time for work. bbiab. :)
19:57 sekjal rangi: right
19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4157 enhancement, P5, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Display of barcode in checked out items in OPAC
19:56 rangi sekjal: bug 4157
19:47 schuster hmmm dropped in on rangi's comment to wizzyrea - yes yes I do.... have to go back and read... I found abstract for my question so I'm good thanks!
19:43 rangi wizzyrea: yes, yes i do
19:43 schuster Is there an easy way to pull the summary from a group of books via sql?
19:41 wizzyrea do you think this is too many tabs? http://screencast.com/t/5XeH4rBg3
19:38 SpaceLibrarian_home yes!
19:37 wizzyrea !
19:37 wizzyrea yay for international dinner synchronicity
19:37 wizzyrea oops lol
19:37 wizzyrea nice!
19:37 wizzyrea SpaceLibrarian_home:
19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home wizzyrea: I made mac cheese last night too. It was fantastic. ;)
19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm sure we can think of something.
19:35 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi: I'm not entirely sure...
19:32 sekjal magnuse: patch sent
19:32 cait hm
19:29 cait stock number? inventory number? accession number? What is the right description for the new field stocknumber in items? we have some votes on inventory number at the moment
19:28 cait I wanted to ask something once more people are around :)
19:28 cait ah
19:28 magnuse sekjal: right you are
19:23 sekjal submitting a follow up patch now
19:23 sekjal magnuse: you only need to remove the first ->output('iso'); the second checks for data integrity and such
19:21 rangi SpaceLibrarian_home: how are we gonna top drinking with the national librarian today?
19:18 rangi yay
19:17 cait we migrated our first library from horizon to koha this month - and they seem very happy so far :)
19:16 rangi hehe
19:16 * cait makes a mental note: no cookies for rangi today
19:16 cait *sighs*
19:16 cait hmpf
19:15 wizzyrea but yea, horizon, srsly.
19:14 rangi :P
19:14 * wizzyrea makes note of the date in NZ
19:14 rangi I think I read it in library news weekly
19:12 sekjal so, it looks like HardDueDates break the default circ period of 21 days
19:12 sekjal okay, that's it. I've got record of this coming up in testing, but no followup
19:12 cait is there news somewhere?
19:12 magnuse sekjal: removing 2x ->output('iso')�made the error go away
19:11 magnuse sekjal: actually, i don't think i have
19:11 cait oh!
19:10 rangi did you hear sirsidynix have decided to reignite horizon development?
19:10 sekjal magnuse: do you have an applicable circ rule for the combo of branch/itemtype/patron category you're using?
19:08 rangi heya cait
19:08 * cait waves to rangi
19:06 sekjal magnuse: nope, my fault
19:06 magnuse sekjal, rangi: you mean i'm not going mad after all?
19:00 rangi hmm when did that sneak in
18:55 sekjal should probably be testing on $hardduedate, not the output
18:55 sekjal magnuse: whoops
18:53 bg wb
18:53 rangi back
18:39 magnuse but when i try to lend something now i get this: Can't call method "output" on an undefined value at /home/magnus/kohahead/C4/Circulation.pm line 2713. anyone seen that? line 2713 is: if ( $hardduedate->output('iso') && $hardduedate->output('iso') ne '0000-00-00') {
18:38 magnuse nengard, sekjal: i can't seem to reproduce those broken tabs - tried ff 3.6 on win & linux, 4 on os x...
18:37 tcohen rangi: thanks for your answer, maybe some day i'll cook a big asado for you
18:24 cait hi all
18:18 magnuse slef++
18:13 * oleonard ducks out early
18:12 rangi bbiab
18:12 rangi ok, lots of meetings today, i should go make myself look presentable
18:11 rangi got the license changed to CC-BY
18:11 rangi http://lisvendor.info/index.php?title=Main_Page
18:10 rangi nice work by slef
17:59 magnuse thanks
17:57 nengard and we all make mistakes
17:57 nengard magnuse it's an awesome feature so of course we jumped on testing it :) hehe
17:55 * magnuse is flattered to have his patch tested so quickly, and embarassed to cause errors...
17:53 rangi cool
17:52 nengard just rushing around today
17:52 rangi because most ppl wont be running 4 yet
17:52 nengard i usually do
17:52 rangi you should definitely note that on bugs nengard
17:52 sekjal and I'm in FF 3.6
17:52 nengard i'm in FF4 if that helps with the tabs
17:51 nengard i missed his comments
17:51 nengard and now i see that sekjal was also testing at the same time
17:51 magnuse thanks nengard, i'll see to fixing that as soon as i can (but the tabs were ok for me, hm...)
17:50 nengard_lunch and added comments
17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5671 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED, Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary"
17:50 nengard_lunch magnuse i tested the patch for bug 5671
17:45 jwagner OK, will try to get it done. It doesn't touch templates.
17:45 rangi or longer if it doesnt touch templates
17:45 rangi yeah that has until the 8th
17:45 rangi any bugs that change templates need to be in by the 8th
17:45 jwagner It's a fix, not a new feature.
17:44 jwagner Ah. So I'd better get it in today or tomorrow, then :-)
17:44 rangi string freeze is 8th april
17:44 rangi feauture freeze is end of april 1 in whatever timezone you are (april 2 nztime essentially)
17:43 jwagner I have a bug fix I need to send in; just haven't got it done yet.
17:43 jwagner rangi, sorry, when is the freeze again?
17:38 magnuse that's cool
17:38 rangi its just new features this freeze is for
17:38 rangi bug fixes will be accepted after
17:38 * magnuse has sent all the patches he meant to do now
17:37 rangi :)
17:37 * oleonard is typing as fast as he can
17:37 rangi so any patches you havent sent yet, do it now! :)
17:36 magnuse yay!
17:36 rangi any new feature that isnt in either otoh .. that ill set to 3.6
17:35 rangi or needs signoff queue is still eligible
17:35 rangi anything that is in the signed-off
17:35 rangi only new stuff so you are fine
17:35 rangi tcohen: the feature freeze im not going to stop anything thats already been submitted for signoff
17:15 kf_mtg have to leave now - will be back from h ome a little later
17:14 kf_mtg :)
17:14 kf_mtg yep
17:14 oleonard So perhaps the holds queue script should ignore the damaged status if AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is set to "allow"
17:13 oleonard kf_mtg: I wasn't aware of that preference. The holds queue build script didn't take it into account
17:13 kf_mtg item was damaged already on checkout
17:12 kf_mtg it's only additional information, so borrower is not charged on return
17:12 kf_mtg our libraries don't take damaged items out of circulation
17:12 kf_mtg should this not be controlled by AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems?
17:12 kf_mtg oleonard: wondered about your patch for damaged items holds
17:10 sekjal tcohen: is the bug report updated to Patch-Sent and Signed Off?
17:01 tcohen oleonard: thanks, i realized feature freeze was tomorrow (perhaps today in nz) so i got impatient hehe
16:58 oleonard tcohen: If you've got a signoff then you're in good shape. You'll just have to wait and see from here.
16:57 tcohen i can offer a great asado in the second half of may that i'll be in spain for some days
16:56 tcohen i can make argentina loose against nz in a seven match :-P
16:55 tcohen i even have it signed-off by julian from biblibre!
16:55 oleonard tcohen: Offer fabulous prize in exchange for a patch sign-off? :)
16:53 tcohen hi ti all, i'd like to ask if anyone has any thoughts on zebraqueue_daemon making it into 3.4
16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
16:51 oleonard wizzyrea: I took a stab and a partial fix for Bug 4870 and could use your feedback on that and my comments there
16:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
16:41 oleonard Bug 4870 I guess
16:32 oleonard No, I guess not. It checks for notforloan, itemlost, and wthdrawn
16:30 oleonard Hm, perhaps the holds queue report doesn't exclude damaged items? I thought it did
16:23 oleonard wizzyrea: Have you seen damaged items show up on the holds queue report lately?
16:21 oleonard |o|
16:20 magnuse o/
16:19 Oak \o
15:44 rhcl OK, appears to be a DNS problem--changed to a known good DNS server from our ISP and we're back
15:30 tcohen rhcl: r u running telnet on the koha server?
15:24 * jwagner harrumphs. Four hours into my working day, I can finally get started on my "real" work that I was planning on doing today....
15:16 oleonard Hi ether
15:14 oleonard Are these not talking about the same thing?
15:14 oleonard On marc_subfields_structure.pl, next to the "link" field, it says "Warning: This value should not change after data has been added to your catalog"
15:13 oleonard On marctagstructure.pl it says "If you change the link between a MARC subfield and a non-MARC field, ask your administrator to run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script"
15:13 oleonard I have a question about Koha/MARC links
15:12 rhcl telnet z3950.loc.gov 7090 connects, but our koha clients (reflecting the server?) can't
15:11 oleonard rhcl: I got z39.50 results back from LOC just fine
15:06 rhcl w/in Koha, I should specify. We can ping it and even http it.
15:04 rhcl we're getting a "connect failed to z3950.loc.gov" (and other z3950 sites). Is anybody else having z39.50 problems?
15:00 oleonard That was faster than I expected.
15:00 rhcl can anybody recommend a good, intro level sql book w/ lots of examples for our tech services people?
14:48 paul_p hi tcohen
14:47 tcohen it was a nice thread on koha-devel about the workflow
14:47 tcohen hi #koha
14:44 mib_wh0squ thanks will try it
14:41 * oleonard had better shut down just in case
14:41 * oleonard 's power goes out. Glad for the battery backup.
14:41 oleonard You could even use that to send a direct update to mysql if you have access to it.
14:40 oleonard mib_wh0squ: You could use this as a reference: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/mandatory/marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql;h=5b4fa11786627fad5b514b6b5e3328683315279c;hb=HEAD
14:39 mib_wh0squ no
14:39 oleonard Do you have another framework you could copy the details from?
14:38 mib_wh0squ yes
14:38 oleonard mib_wh0squ: You deleted it in the framework editor?
14:37 mib_wh0squ hi a client accidentally deleted a field under "add marc record" how do i put it back? the specific field is personal name
14:16 wizzyrea drdrulm, that is
14:16 wizzyrea by drulm
14:16 huginn 04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts)
14:16 wizzyrea hm, have we ever seen the code referenced here? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246
13:46 wizzyrea oleonard: yep I see
13:42 julian oleonard: i think the 'hidden by default' funds are the funds that are in an inactive budget
13:38 * wizzyrea tests that
13:37 wizzyrea that I don't think is one of our test scenarios, it will be now
13:37 wizzyrea right
13:37 oleonard wizzyrea: In my test the item is not in transit because of a hold, just because it was it was checked in at another branch
13:36 julian oleonard: in fact i didn't manage to create a fund for an inactive budget, fund is created in database, but does not appear in aqbudgets.pl
13:36 wizzyrea so you're talking about an item transited home then held/checked out again
13:36 oleonard 3. Check in item
13:35 oleonard 2. Place hold on item
13:35 oleonard 1. Check in item to make it in transit
13:35 wizzyrea on 4040
13:35 wizzyrea oleonard: was that tested with old holds/already in transit holds or new holds?
13:34 oleonard It's not clear to me what kind of funds are hidden by default
13:34 oleonard julian: Besides the layout problem, did you find that the checkbox worked?
13:27 oleonard I think I understand why the layout is messed up, so I want to see what I can do with it
13:25 julian Ok, sorry to not mentionned it ;)
13:25 oleonard I want to test it
13:24 julian oleonard: on the neworderempty.pl page, why?
13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5963 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: Add the capability to have a filter by active budget
13:23 oleonard julian: Where did you take the screenshot attached to bug 5963?
13:21 oleonard Re-worded it to match the specifics
13:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Placing a hold on an item while it is in transit results in duplicate dialogs upon check-in
13:21 oleonard Bug 4040 still unsatisfied
13:08 oleonard Geeky enough to know the +1 reference (http://laughingmeme.org/2011/03/30/1-for-knowing-your-history/), but not cool enough to see it in my Google I guess.
13:06 oleonard Cool Bunsen logo on my Google this morning
12:06 kf kf_mtg
11:51 jwagner The local news channel has been playing snatches of it, Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days, and other baseball-related songs when they do the Opening Day weather forecast
11:51 kf I had this problem with rangi showing me nz music things too
11:51 kf thx jwagner
11:50 jwagner kf, it's the John Fogerty video of Centerfield -- it was posted a while back when we were talking about baseball.
11:49 kf this video is not available in your coutnry
11:49 kf hm dieses video ist in ihrem land nicht verfügbar
11:49 druthb hehehe
11:48 jwagner And thanks to whoever posted this link a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc
11:48 druthb happy Opening Day, jwagner. :)
11:45 * jwagner wishes an excessively happy day to everyone! It's baseball's Opening Day! Yippeeeeeee!
11:45 jwagner Hi AmitG
11:45 AmitG heya jwagner
10:44 magnuse gmcharlt: yvw - and yes, i think it was skype where s/// worked! i did a double take - "what the dickens just happened there?"
10:43 gmcharlt (and thanks for the coffee ;) )
10:42 gmcharlt magnuse: seriously? wow
10:33 * magnuse did the s/// thing in skype chat once and was rather surprised when it actually worked...
10:32 magnuse s/hans/hands/
10:32 * magnuse hans gmcharlt some coffee
10:32 kf \o ruth :)
10:31 kf need some coffee?
10:31 * kf waves to gmcharlt
10:31 kf paul_p: looking at your mail and the google docs right now :)
10:30 * gmcharlt blearily waves from yet another airport
10:30 druthb hi, magnus n cait! o/
10:29 kf and another meeting ahead
10:29 kf you say it
10:28 magnuse wow, is it that time of the day already...
10:28 magnuse o/
10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6005 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED, Transit slips cause Firefox 4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs"
10:14 jenkins_koha root: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs"
10:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #94: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/94/
10:11 magnuse yay!
10:08 kf back
09:34 jenkins_koha Starting build 94 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box
09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Resorting results of CCL queries fails in Staff Client
09:34 jenkins_koha * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home"
09:34 jenkins_koha * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults.
09:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #93: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/93/
09:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d707b5e9b7f18351d9b996f5f73a1ae53066080>
08:55 jenkins_koha Starting build 93 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5988 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in english opac.pref file
08:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
08:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences
08:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10
08:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5940 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Update Help Files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Offline Circ & Patron Card Help Files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug5940: Authority, Labels, Circ help files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Admin Help Files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #92: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/92/
08:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a64cfba5e10be80a220f6c8164905788ba5a78b> / Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8548b804f49a5e84a64b7caf2457daf1a83f834b>
08:30 magnus_laptop night bg
08:28 rangi night bg
08:28 bg night #koha
08:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47a53e9132ed613f257aae61958cc9e5c20d91b6> / Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=731b933d51367489422b90fa7021cfc42c747584> / Merge remote branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_5940 <http://git.koha-commun
08:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 92 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:12 marcelr ok
08:07 paul_p kf_mtg, & marcelr = inventory number is perfect for frenchies ! we say "Numéro d'inventaire"
08:07 paul_p hi marcelr
08:07 kf_mtg ok, meeting time
07:58 marcelr fine
07:58 kf see
07:58 kf I followed paul's suggestion - hope that is ok for you too?
07:58 marcelr say or see
07:57 kf did you say the patch removing uniqueness from the field?
07:57 marcelr no problem
07:57 kf and thx for testing - hope we find a good solution .)
07:56 marcelr ok
07:56 kf I will ask around when working on the patch later today
07:56 marcelr ye
07:56 kf perhaps too early
07:55 kf yeah, I hoped someone would say something now.. :)
07:55 marcelr maybe someone here??
07:55 kf becaue it resembles our words for it
07:55 kf zeno is from italy - not sure if inventory number only sounds better to us
07:55 marcelr i mailed the list yesterday; zeno responded
07:55 kf perhaps we should ask some native speakers before we change the descriptions?
07:54 marcelr ok i look for your submit
07:54 kf and I will change the frameworks too
07:54 marcelr probably
07:54 kf for the index
07:54 kf would that work?
07:53 kf have the full name stocknumber, have an alias inv
07:53 wahanui so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate?
07:53 marcelr so?
07:53 kf easy to teach my librarians
07:53 kf I would ike that
07:53 kf what about... sorry
07:53 kf that about an alias inv
07:53 kf hm
07:52 marcelr framework at least; we could have indexes withalias
07:52 kf renaming is not a big deal, I only want to avoid confusion
07:52 kf index or frameworks?
07:51 marcelr i would prefer to rename
07:51 kf the description..
07:51 kf so you don't want me to change the naming in the frameworks?
07:51 kf ok
07:51 marcelr signed your first patch alreadu with stock
07:51 kf the other index names are called like the fields it seems
07:50 kf I am not sure though that we should rename the index
07:50 kf so it sounds much better to me
07:50 marcelr i would prefer inventory
07:50 kf the German word is Inventarnummer
07:50 kf didn't want to sound rude or something, only very tired this morning and was away all day yesterday
07:50 marcelr and inventory number?
07:49 kf sorry :)
07:49 marcelr ok
07:48 kf I asked around here at work too - my experts say 1062 is correct
07:48 kf that'sit
07:48 kf Number-local-acquisition 1062 Document acquisition number assigned by the system.
07:48 kf writing comment now
07:48 kf yep
07:46 marcelr kf: 1062.. please see http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
07:46 marcelr morning koha; kf around?
07:38 kf she says 1062 is the choice she would have made too :(
07:38 kf I asked our format expert
07:38 rangi i have no idea
07:38 rangi hmm
07:37 kf as I see it the 8000 are kind of like 9xx in MARC21?
07:36 kf because the description of this attribute is exactly what a stocknumber/inventorynumber is
07:36 * magnuse wanders off to find breakfast
07:36 kf I don#t understand why it should be wrong to pick 1062
07:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add mapping for items.stocknumber to MARC21
07:36 kf bug 5839
07:36 kf herei s my question :)
07:36 kf ok
07:33 francharb hehe
07:33 magnuse francharb: i would stink at that - i'm terrible with names and faces...
07:32 francharb ;)
07:32 francharb magnuse: never played the game "guess who?" ? http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guess_who.jpg
07:31 bg also brendan_ = brendan
07:31 * bg = brendan
07:31 bg heh
07:31 * magnuse is all confused by the new nicks...
07:30 AmitG heya kf
07:30 kf very glad too
07:30 kf eythian++
07:30 rangi hi francharb
07:29 bg eythian++
07:29 * bg is glad that eythian is working on accountlines
07:29 francharb ;)
07:29 kf only... 3 days now :)
07:28 magnuse bonjour francharb
07:28 kf hi francharb :)
07:28 francharb morning @koha!
07:27 Space_Librarian_home will be out the oven in about 5. smells good though
07:27 bg 's can be
07:27 bg just showing how stupid RFP
07:27 eythian bg: yeah, one's a typo for the other
07:27 bg heh - that was a response from a RFP
07:27 bg I only see something from Robin not eythian
07:27 rangi how was the mac and cheese Space_Librarian_home ?
07:26 Space_Librarian_home :)
07:26 rangi :)
07:26 * magnuse looks at his own spelling with disgust
07:26 * eythian is off home, but I hope you all read through my plans for the account system on koha-devel and say they're completely perfect :)
07:26 magnuse pail_p: definitely!
07:26 magnuse paul_p: yes, really
07:26 paul_p magnuse, I propose we will speak of this next week !
07:25 bg heh
07:25 magnuse bg: trouvle is, i don't think librarians in norway are tuned to a very wide specter of input...
07:24 magnuse paul_p: i recently did a presentation for a consortium of school - they lend out standard text books, so they may have in the area of 10.000 items for some of their records...
07:24 bg that's how we did it
07:24 rangi sometimes i think our rfp are written in french, thats how much i understand them :)
07:24 bg yup foot in the door is key... the nice thing now is that you can let koha talk for you
07:24 paul_p magnuse, really ? (aleph announcement)
07:24 rangi paul_p: yep, we may have the same specialists hehe
07:23 kf hm not always :)
07:23 magnuse bg: yeah, but the problem is getting that foot in the door, and i'm hardly the born salesman
07:23 paul_p in France, we have a few specialists that help libraries writing RFP. One is well known to have a standard RFP, that is 20years old, and he just changes a few lines since then. So some questions are really funny. Like "how many items can you attach to a given biblio"
07:23 bg rangi is always here
07:23 rangi yep
07:23 kf rangi: are you arond a bit longer?
07:22 bg sounds like a good time for you and koha
07:22 rangi oh its a digital imaging thermometer
07:22 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:22 kf magnuse: weird
07:22 kf hi bg and rangi :)
07:22 magnuse it's an intersting time in norway - the norwegian vendor of services for aleph have said they will stop selling those services, so libraries using aleph must buy support from abroad or find a new system...
07:22 rangi hi kf
07:22 bg heya kf
07:22 rangi lets invent it
07:22 kf morning #koha
07:22 bg heh - I liked mertis - sounded better
07:22 rangi and price
07:21 rangi merits
07:21 rangi technical mertis
07:21 rangi koha won on both
07:21 rangi with the double envelope system
07:21 bg :) go for it
07:21 rangi open tender is what hauraki did
07:21 magnuse thanks bg - i just know there is a small consortium that has said they will do an rfp, so i'm waiting for that to happen
07:21 bg magnuse++ you can do it
07:21 rangi not cut and paste from 1971 :)
07:20 rangi or even an rfp where they have thought about it
07:20 bg magnuse - good luck with your first - best of luck to you..
07:20 magnuse hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_tender
07:19 bg then let's talk
07:19 rangi yeah
07:19 bg it's if you want a system that can meet your needs
07:19 rangi magnuse: yeah basically, 'we want a solution to run our library .. what have you got'
07:18 rangi when you dont have an out of the box
07:18 bg and the nice thing about what we do - is that we can do anything
07:18 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:18 magnuse open tender? hoe does that work? a library would just say "show us what you got"?
07:18 rangi and they are written in a way that makes it hard to answer
07:17 paul_p hi rangi & magnuse
07:17 rangi because only the same old ones have enough money to spend answering them
07:17 rangi thats pretty much what they do with RFP
07:17 bg 's aren't written for open source
07:17 magnuse otherwise, i can picture all too vividly averyone just byuing from the same old "safe" vendors
07:17 rangi rather than spend weeks answering questions that are pointless
07:17 bg RFP
07:16 rangi where you can actually pitch a solution
07:16 rangi open tender works much better for that
07:16 rangi not often
07:16 magnuse but on the other hand, it is a way for newcomers like me to get a foot in the door
07:15 magnuse rangi: yeah, it seems like a really wasteful process
07:15 rangi they make everything cost more for themselves
07:15 bg no they do not
07:15 rangi i wonder if libraries realise that by using them
07:15 rangi rfp cost so much to answer
07:15 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.8�C (12:15 AM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
07:15 bg @wunder 93109
07:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:15 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:15 rangi heh
07:15 bg magnuse - you'll regret those words ;)
07:14 * magnuse will get to answer his first rfp soonish, hopefully
07:14 bg to bad there isn't a proprietary channel
07:14 bg it's rant about RFP time :)
07:13 bg heya rangi++
07:13 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:13 rangi evening
07:12 bg yup
07:12 bg :)
07:12 paul_p bg: you mean "yes we can" ? :D
07:12 paul_p (we answered saying: "hey it's impossible, here is our timeline". a new RFP just being issued last week without the "live on april" :D
07:11 bg sometimes - I just want to send a single page back that says " YES of course "
07:11 paul_p another one that was funny was one published on 2011, march, 1st saying "the system will be live on 2011, April 30th"
07:11 bg good call
07:11 paul_p (we did not answer ;-) )
07:10 bg OMG
07:10 paul_p the more stupid RFP I ever saw saw one asking, i'm not kidding 1400 questions, and it was a library with 3 librarians and less than 30 000 items !!!
07:09 bg 's that keep me up
07:09 bg or maybe it's stupid RFP
07:08 bg ;)
07:08 paul_p (reaching a 7digit number will be a huge step, at least psychollogically speaking ;-) )
07:08 bg hence why I'm here
07:08 bg heh - that keeps me up at night
07:08 paul_p yep. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning I think : "hey, you're managing a company that should do 1 million € of income this year. Are you dreaming ?"
07:07 bg agreed
07:07 bg sustained_but_managed_growth++
07:07 bg 16 is pretty awesome
07:07 paul_p sustained_but_managed_growth++
07:07 bg paul_p++
07:06 bg that would be too fast
07:06 bg heh
07:06 paul_p (we're 16)
07:06 paul_p congrats for your new employees. you'll be more than BibLibre in a few months if you continue growing like that ;-)
07:05 bg new IRC new nick
07:05 bg yup
07:05 paul_p hi bg (brendan ?)
07:05 bg hi paul
07:05 paul_p hello world
07:03 bg :)
07:03 bg wow it's already that time - heya paul_p
06:51 mirbolt thanks eythian
06:50 eythian mirbolt: test it on a copy of the database, but I think a straight upgrade should work.
06:48 magnuse hi bg
06:48 bg heya magnuse
06:48 magnuse goood morning #koha!
06:40 mirbolt hello. i am currently running 3.00.06, i want to upgrade to 3.2.6. i am wondering should i do an incremental upgrade, e.g. upgrade to 3.2.0, then 3.2.2, etc or just jump straight into 3.2.6?
06:03 bg india made the final :)
06:02 AmitG heya bg
06:02 bg heya AmitG
04:07 gmcharlt mtj: git show --stat <commithash>
03:51 mtj but *not* actual changes
03:51 mtj a command to show files changed, in a git commit?
03:50 mtj git Q
03:45 jcamins_away Also, are there instructions on how to use the new features?
03:43 jcamins_away I really like the Analyze link, though.
03:41 AmitG ok sure
03:41 jcamins_away That is, a follow-up to the analytics branch.
03:40 jcamins_away AmitG: I think you really need a follow-up patch which changes the frameworks.
03:23 space_librarian I learn something new everyday. :)
03:23 AmitG heya galen
03:23 gmcharlt ;)
03:23 gmcharlt space_librarian: well, if seven weeks feels like two ...
03:21 space_librarian And I think it's about 7 weeks now? I lose count...
03:21 space_librarian hey! It's going to be a great final.
03:20 wahanui somebody said space_librarian was a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ?
03:20 AmitG heya space_librarian
03:20 AmitG India is in final
03:20 AmitG heya chris
03:09 jenkins_koha Henri-Damien LAURENT: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names
03:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #91: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/91/
02:52 rangi and the rest im sure will get signed off/fixed at the hackfest
02:51 rangi with another 23 waiting to be pushed
02:51 rangi and already 78 patches are in master :)
02:51 * rangi is nearly finished that branch too, and then we are done !
02:50 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/biblibre_various <-- the sudoc submodule in there
02:50 rangi will do
02:50 * wizzyrea sings hdl a soothing lullabye
02:50 rangi its about sudoc stuff
02:50 hdl I have to take a train.
02:50 hdl rangi send me a message
02:50 rangi ill ask you later :)
02:50 rangi go to sleep
02:50 rangi i see the time
02:49 rangi oh hang on
02:49 rangi hdl: i have a question for you
02:49 hdl see you all
02:49 hdl ok.
02:49 rangi we are looking at this too, for ideas, but basically its fixing the table structure
02:49 eythian yeah, I looked at all the other ones, the goal of this is to have a nice, flexible (and documented) accounts system. Partial payments is just the sort of thing that falls out of that.
02:48 huginn 04Bug 5905: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Biblibre, Partial fine payments
02:48 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5905
02:48 hdl ok.
02:48 rangi that just happens to allow partial fines too
02:48 wizzyrea and they-who-shall-not-be-named also have partial fines
02:48 rangi yeah this a full rewrite
02:48 hdl We have it on our master.
02:47 hdl julian has made a branch for partial fines payment.
02:47 eythian hdl: it's in progress.
02:47 eythian yeah, that's the impetus, but the whole accounts system isn't very nice and all the existing attempts are just sticking them on with bog.
02:47 hdl eythian: have you done all the job already ?
02:47 wizzyrea that's one they've been wanting desperately
02:46 wizzyrea oh partial fines
02:46 rangi chris_n++
02:46 eythian yeah, and being flexible enough to say "pay for rentals only" or "anything but fines" automatically when they're charged.
02:45 wizzyrea ooo
02:45 eythian There's also stuff not mentioned in there to do with auto-paying from credit and such.
02:45 * wizzyrea reads
02:44 eythian http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/e03009 <-- wizzyrea it's not very in depth, but it's where I'm going with it
02:41 wizzyrea <3
02:41 eythian wizzyrea: One moment, I'll grab you a summary
02:41 * wizzyrea is now curious about eythian's accounts rewrite, because fines are of particular interest to several of my libraries
02:40 eythian wizzyrea: cool. We'll, it'll be fairly easy to implement on top of this, I think.
02:40 wizzyrea s/will/would
02:40 wizzyrea eythian++ my libraries will like that
02:39 rangi awesome
02:37 eythian (and having all the balances working out properly)
02:37 eythian rangi: I just realised that with a little more work (which I'm not going to do here), my accounts rewrite would allow balance to be transferred, or one person paying off anothers fines. I'll note that in the code :)
02:34 eythian you're supposed to add the punchline :)
02:34 rangi :)
02:34 * gmcharlt feels like there must have been a punchline following it
02:33 gmcharlt I wonder why I added that quote
02:33 gmcharlt hmm
02:33 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #53: "joetho: what kind of shape are the records in?" (added by gmcharlt at 10:17 PM, February 05, 2010)
02:33 gmcharlt @quote random
02:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 91 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=641616ef7fd43600864d46f39b938ef3cd8cd4f3>
02:12 space_librarian night
02:12 wizzyrea gnite :)
02:12 jcamins_away Anyway, good night.
02:12 jcamins_away If only I had thought of that.
02:12 jcamins_away Ooh, garlic butter.
02:11 wizzyrea i just ate and that makes me hungry
02:11 space_librarian steak and garlic butter... nom.
02:10 wizzyrea myshkin, leave the steak for cat-mom
02:10 space_librarian :)
02:10 wizzyrea :D yay!
02:10 jcamins_away And, yes, I'm glad I don't have an ant on my ear.
02:10 jcamins_away Yay! Shari's home! Time to eat.
02:09 wizzyrea at least you don't have my problem, an ant crawling on your ear
02:08 * jcamins_away feels silly sitting at his computer doing homework and guarding the steak from the cat.
02:02 jcamins_away It was several days ago.
02:02 wizzyrea (and yes, I really did just recognize the irony of calling him spud when he isn't keen on potatoes. I wonder if these things are related...)
02:02 jcamins_away Not yesterday.
02:01 wizzyrea spud *does* like the gnocchi
02:01 * jcamins_away made those yesterday.
02:01 * space_librarian is getting hungry now...
02:01 wizzyrea and it's mahvellous
02:01 wizzyrea s
02:01 wizzyrea jcamins has a great recipe for sweet potato gnocchi that I've made several time
02:01 space_librarian it's really good with stew
02:00 mtj boxty looks genius!
02:00 wizzyrea mmmm those look evil and wonderful
02:00 space_librarian even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_(food)
02:00 wizzyrea not even so much on french fries
01:59 space_librarian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxty
01:59 wizzyrea spud is just not real keen on potatoes (irony)
01:59 jcamins_away wizzyrea: awww. You're raising a heretic. :P
01:59 wizzyrea hmm
01:59 wizzyrea this is near-bout heresy!
01:59 jcamins_away I don't think there is any other form of potato I don't like. Just mashed potatoes.
01:59 * space_librarian loves boxty too...
01:59 wizzyrea he doesn't like them at all
01:58 wizzyrea my kid is the only person I know who won't eat mashed potatoes
01:58 * jcamins_away doesn't like mashed potatoes.
01:58 wizzyrea stupid electric stove.
01:58 wizzyrea I let my sauce get too hot and it went a bit grainy, but it still tasted good
01:58 space_librarian I love mashed potatoes....that'd be good too.
01:58 wizzyrea :D nice!
01:58 space_librarian wizzyrea: I'm going to be making mac cheese tonight - I've made sure I have everything. :D
01:57 wizzyrea steak and mashed potatoes are one thing I cannot turn down
01:57 wizzyrea I was thinking steak earlier
01:57 space_librarian oh yum.
01:57 wizzyrea nice!
01:56 jcamins_away So steak we shall have.
01:56 jcamins_away Shari called and said she'd like steak.
01:56 jcamins_away That actually sounds pretty good.
01:54 wizzyrea (home made, with chicken and broccoli)
01:54 wizzyrea space_librarian: I made mac and cheese for dinner ^.^
01:51 space_librarian ciao
01:50 waylon Okay, thats me for now. laters all.
01:21 waylon right.
01:20 eythian So, well before you're committing to anything.
01:20 eythian before you accept or move or whatever, otherwise it'd be a bit unfair.
01:19 waylon Would a "yes, we want you, but you'd need to move to Wellington" come with income information prehaps?...when would income info be dispensed?
01:01 space_librarian these are all factors that you need to think about.
01:00 waylon ah.... hmm.. then... getting a job at Catalyst could be a risk to stability... if relocating proves to be impractical.
00:56 eythian it would depend on too many factors to be able to say, really.
00:55 mtj /private lol
00:53 waylon What kind of per week pay would someone get at Catalyst, for a new hire? Real question is... would it support the cost of renting a 2 or 3 bedroom house, power, phone, net etc? I really have never worked fulltime. only part time contracting for overseas.
00:49 mtj twas a general suggestion, from me
00:48 waylon theres no job info on their website.... might mean no vacancies.
00:47 waylon yeah.... true... what skillset they after?
00:46 mtj waylon: Katipo would be a good fit for working at home, too
00:46 eythian that's quite possible, yeah.
00:45 waylon Right... so there is a chance of... "Hey, we like you, but your in Palmerston north. Move to Wellington, and we'll take you."?
00:45 rangi i think 3 ppl out of 114
00:44 rangi not many at all, has to be a pretty special set of circumstances
00:44 mtj ok, back to it...
00:44 mtj yeah, me too :)
00:44 eythian hmm, it would probably be a director's call. There are some people who work remotely, but not all that many I think.
00:44 * waylon sends CV's in PDF and Openoffice format.
00:43 * wizzyrea is shocked anyone wouldn't want to live in wellington
00:43 mtj ha, classic advice too! :)
00:43 waylon It is PAYE, work from home, or is there a need to move to wellington?
00:43 eythian just don't send in a word doc :)
00:42 waylon Then i shall look at my cv, dust it off and send it.
00:42 eythian yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees is the long answer
00:41 rangi yes is the short answer
00:41 rangi http://catalyst.net.nz/company/jobs
00:40 waylon is there jobs available in catalyst, currently?
00:37 waylon yup.
00:37 mtj damian conway, even?
00:37 eythian mtj: yeah, I used to do that, although it's a hard habit to sustain.
00:37 eythian which leads to good design of small modular parts
00:37 mtj ive often heard folks say "if you are really clever , you can write your tests *before* your code"
00:37 eythian yep
00:37 waylon Helps to have stuff in subs that can be tested, independant of webpage interaction eh?
00:35 eythian when writing/refactoring is the best time to make tests. That way you can make tests that fail and fix the code until they pass.
00:32 waylon hmm.. what i mean... is when people use make test, they test for things that are usually going right already.
00:32 mtj a late starter on that one... :)
00:32 mtj i only wrote my 1st Koha test recently too :/
00:31 mtj … theres no end of little things to fix, in Koha
00:31 waylon as opposed to a manual bugfix testing.
00:31 waylon mean a automated 'make test'
00:30 mtj pick a pet Koha peeve, and fix it...
00:30 waylon i mean.. i know how to make a test, have to to get around some strange idicrosincracies of some distros bugs...but .. to know WHAT to test... difficult.
00:29 mtj oops, i would *brush* up on …
00:29 mtj i would up on my jquery, and show an ability to hack/mod Koha, using git
00:28 eythian that's something that's worth learning :)
00:28 waylon or create any tests.
00:28 eythian I never have either
00:28 waylon I have yet to make a perl makefile.
00:27 waylon yup, know html... learning git, but need practical practise.
00:27 eythian waylon: yeah, all the standard toolchain stuff.
00:27 mtj ahh, and git ;)
00:27 waylon mtj: a PAYE work from home using skills and knowledge, to work on something your passionate about... whats not to like?
00:26 mtj html, and html-templating stuff too
00:26 eythian waylon: the more the better. All the stuff that you'd expect for web-dev type things is worthwhile.
00:26 mtj i use a lot of those , these days, for mods
00:25 mtj jquery, mysql, css
00:25 waylon Beyond Perl and Koha.... any others? im guessing that developers don't have just koha to work on.
00:24 eythian mtj: it's where all the cool kids want to be these days :)
00:24 mtj oooh, catalyst sound busy…
00:23 waylon I have a good knowledge of both, and of mysql.. This is Waylon Robertson ... 33rd contributor to koha... and i usually use the nick Genji.
00:22 rangi you should definitely send in a cv
00:22 rangi im pretty sure you have both of those :)
00:22 rangi you'd want to have some perl skills, the more the better, and some knowledge of koha
00:22 rangi hi waylon
00:20 waylon Hiya all.... to have a good chance at obtaining a job at Catalyst, working with #koha.... what skills do i need? what level of knowledge in those skills?