Time Nick Message 23:59 rangi would 23:59 jcamins_away I just read the manual. 23:59 jcamins_away But, hey, what do I know? 23:59 rangi from a liblimer no less 23:58 rangi yeah 23:58 jcamins_away "The seventeen that say what they do?" 23:58 rangi whoa what a dick 23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5990 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Lists and Cart show LOC code, not Location Authorized value 23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, COiNS in the OPAC search results should be optional 23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4943 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Search history cookie size limit 23:55 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value 23:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version number 23:55 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional 23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5828 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client 23:55 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 4943: Search history cookie size limit 23:55 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5828 - notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client 23:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #96: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/96/ 23:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 96 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90392c19cc343ada611c1f06e4b5c20f3dd6dc93> / Bumping database version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1331722f116d7dce313bb37c100f235d468d3a6> / Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c 23:02 jcamins_away You're welcome. 23:02 rangi righto thanks 23:02 rangi yeah that sounds like something that should be fixed first 23:01 jcamins_away Once you work out *why* the analytics stuff doesn't work, it works well, but every time I've tested (on different data), it's taken me hours to realize that's the problem. 23:00 rangi ta 23:00 rangi say thats what is holding back it being merged 23:00 rangi ahh maybe ill wait for that and ping them on that 23:00 rangi afaict it causes no regressions 23:00 jcamins_away My one concern is that they still don't populate even the default framework. 23:00 jcamins_away That's reasonable. 23:00 jcamins_away Hm. 22:59 rangi given colin and you both seem mostly happy with it, im pretty inclined to merge it in 22:58 rangi jcamins_away: what do you reckon the chances are of getting in the osslabs analytics work 22:38 rangi night 22:38 rangi :) 22:38 cait good night all 22:38 cait ok, time to get some sleep - so I get a chance to make use of tomorrow :) 22:34 jcamins_away eythian++ 22:34 jcamins_away Thanks. 22:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6031 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing 22:33 eythian jcamins_away: Bug 6031 22:29 rangi as long as its submitted for signoff, its eligible 22:29 jcamins_away I won't be able to sign off on it until Saturday, but this way Chris might be willing to include it in 3.4. 22:28 jcamins_away Thanks. 22:28 eythian jcamins_away: just checked that patch, looks good, will send it soon. 22:17 cait aha! 22:15 jcamins_away And eythian is in NZ. ;) 22:15 jcamins_away cait: but that's for features from you. 22:15 cait not sure I will make it though... but still a chance then :) 22:15 rangi ill let you do that 22:14 cait I thought end of 1st my day? 22:14 cait oh 22:14 jcamins_away ;) 22:13 jcamins_away Either way, end of the day for eythian, not for me. 22:11 rangi yep 22:11 rangi if its a bug, its ok, new feature today is cut off 22:11 jcamins_away I meant feature freeze. 22:11 eythian it's still a feature :) 22:11 jcamins_away Oh. 22:10 rangi string freeze isnt until the 8th 22:10 rangi jcamins_away: thats feature freeze 22:10 jcamins_away Chris said anything that's not been sent to the list by the end of your day can't get in. 22:10 eythian oh, OK 22:10 jcamins_away Your end of day. 22:10 jcamins_away No, not my end of day. 22:10 eythian actually, I'll just do it after writing this email. 22:10 eythian I'll try to do that :) when's the end of your day? 22:09 jcamins_away If you submit it before the end of the day, I'll sign off on it before string freeze. :) 22:09 eythian (as in, the package rebuild script) 22:09 eythian although there is a patch that I haven't done anything with just yet to give the rebuild script the option to be verbose. 22:08 jcamins_away Okay, thanks. 22:08 eythian sudo -u 'opus-koha' -H env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib KOHA_CONF='/etc/koha/sites/opus/koha-conf.xml' /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v -r 22:08 eythian to do a full index, I usually do, e.g: 22:08 eythian check the daemon is running (sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart) 22:07 jcamins_away (after a reindex) 22:07 jcamins_away So what do you do if your system inexplicably stops searching? 22:07 jcamins_away Hm. 22:07 eythian jcamins_away: not as such, but any messages it produces will be emailed to root by cron. 22:06 jcamins_away eythian: is there any log from rebuild_zebra with the packages? 22:04 eythian that's what I remember, a nice cool morning there :) 22:04 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Honiara / Henderson, Solomon Islands is 25.0�C (8:00 AM SBT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 22:04 eythian @wunder honiara 20:55 rangi cool 20:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5578 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, SCO using login for authentication 20:55 jenkins_koha Ian Walls: Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule 20:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #95: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/95/ 20:42 bg rain rain go away 20:41 rangi heh 20:41 gmcharlt the rain is following me 20:41 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 23.6�C (4:42 PM EDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.57 in 1001.2 hPa (Steady). 20:41 gmcharlt @wunder 32605 20:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9�C (10:40 PM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). 20:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:40 bg I walk outside and melt 20:37 wizzyrea it's cold here. 20:37 wizzyrea yea, eat it 20:37 rangi naw, im wearing long sleeves 20:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 4.8�C (3:37 PM CDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling). 20:37 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 20:36 bg wanna trade rangi? 20:36 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 20:36 bg @wunder wellington nz 20:36 bg :D 20:36 rangi thank god there isnt webcams in irc 20:35 wizzyrea !!! 20:35 * bg is almost ready to work in the buff 20:34 bg man it's freaking hot here today... 20:34 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 33.6�C (1:34 PM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). 20:34 bg @wunder 93109 20:29 rangi i love git add ; git commit --amend 20:27 rangi ill just fix the license and copyright and send the patch 20:26 sekjal neat! 20:26 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=78bcff64c24f18389e46c2940ad8f01cd374d144 20:26 rangi ohh heres a handy one! 20:25 cait :) 20:23 space_librarian :) 20:23 rangi yup 20:23 space_librarian I got it right? 20:22 rangi thanks space_librarian for making the bug 20:22 rangi yup 20:22 cait that's a good thing 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6024 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Run a Report immediately after creating or editing 20:21 cait oh bug 6024 20:15 rangi its pretty sweet how fast it was caught and fixed 20:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 95 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:15 rangi no problemo 20:14 sekjal rangi: thanks 20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule 20:14 schuster bug 5548 20:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5548' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=849342e3f513f4b48d9c9e5a9ce3f4bb49b9dc73> / Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6fa48d19b6e5c5ab5c0d16f17a588f56a39870> 20:10 cait rangi :cool :) 20:09 rangi :) 20:08 sekjal so, I was close :) 20:08 sekjal 5548 20:08 rangi tell the right number ill commit --amend :) 20:08 rangi that one hasnt been pushed yet, so im guessing so :) 20:08 sekjal argh 20:08 sekjal oh geeze, did I get the wrong number? 20:07 rangi is that what the follow up is for? 20:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5578 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, SCO using login for authentication 20:07 rangi sekjal: bug 5578 20:05 rangi no those are new work ones, biblibres branches are pretty much done 20:04 cait dealing with biblibre's branches? 20:03 rangi the transport matrix one is up too :) getting htere 19:59 SpaceLibrarian_home right. time for work. bbiab. :) 19:57 sekjal rangi: right 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4157 enhancement, P5, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Display of barcode in checked out items in OPAC 19:56 rangi sekjal: bug 4157 19:47 schuster hmmm dropped in on rangi's comment to wizzyrea - yes yes I do.... have to go back and read... I found abstract for my question so I'm good thanks! 19:43 rangi wizzyrea: yes, yes i do 19:43 schuster Is there an easy way to pull the summary from a group of books via sql? 19:41 wizzyrea do you think this is too many tabs? http://screencast.com/t/5XeH4rBg3 19:38 SpaceLibrarian_home yes! 19:37 wizzyrea ! 19:37 wizzyrea yay for international dinner synchronicity 19:37 wizzyrea oops lol 19:37 wizzyrea nice! 19:37 wizzyrea SpaceLibrarian_home: 19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home wizzyrea: I made mac cheese last night too. It was fantastic. ;) 19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm sure we can think of something. 19:35 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi: I'm not entirely sure... 19:32 sekjal magnuse: patch sent 19:32 cait hm 19:29 cait stock number? inventory number? accession number? What is the right description for the new field stocknumber in items? we have some votes on inventory number at the moment 19:28 cait I wanted to ask something once more people are around :) 19:28 cait ah 19:28 magnuse sekjal: right you are 19:23 sekjal submitting a follow up patch now 19:23 sekjal magnuse: you only need to remove the first ->output('iso'); the second checks for data integrity and such 19:21 rangi SpaceLibrarian_home: how are we gonna top drinking with the national librarian today? 19:18 rangi yay 19:17 cait we migrated our first library from horizon to koha this month - and they seem very happy so far :) 19:16 rangi hehe 19:16 * cait makes a mental note: no cookies for rangi today 19:16 cait *sighs* 19:16 cait hmpf 19:15 wizzyrea but yea, horizon, srsly. 19:14 rangi :P 19:14 * wizzyrea makes note of the date in NZ 19:14 rangi I think I read it in library news weekly 19:12 sekjal so, it looks like HardDueDates break the default circ period of 21 days 19:12 sekjal okay, that's it. I've got record of this coming up in testing, but no followup 19:12 cait is there news somewhere? 19:12 magnuse sekjal: removing 2x ->output('iso')�made the error go away 19:11 magnuse sekjal: actually, i don't think i have 19:11 cait oh! 19:10 rangi did you hear sirsidynix have decided to reignite horizon development? 19:10 sekjal magnuse: do you have an applicable circ rule for the combo of branch/itemtype/patron category you're using? 19:08 rangi heya cait 19:08 * cait waves to rangi 19:06 sekjal magnuse: nope, my fault 19:06 magnuse sekjal, rangi: you mean i'm not going mad after all? 19:00 rangi hmm when did that sneak in 18:55 sekjal should probably be testing on $hardduedate, not the output 18:55 sekjal magnuse: whoops 18:53 bg wb 18:53 rangi back 18:39 magnuse but when i try to lend something now i get this: Can't call method "output" on an undefined value at /home/magnus/kohahead/C4/Circulation.pm line 2713. anyone seen that? line 2713 is: if ( $hardduedate->output('iso') && $hardduedate->output('iso') ne '0000-00-00') { 18:38 magnuse nengard, sekjal: i can't seem to reproduce those broken tabs - tried ff 3.6 on win & linux, 4 on os x... 18:37 tcohen rangi: thanks for your answer, maybe some day i'll cook a big asado for you 18:24 cait hi all 18:18 magnuse slef++ 18:13 * oleonard ducks out early 18:12 rangi bbiab 18:12 rangi ok, lots of meetings today, i should go make myself look presentable 18:11 rangi got the license changed to CC-BY 18:11 rangi http://lisvendor.info/index.php?title=Main_Page 18:10 rangi nice work by slef 17:59 magnuse thanks 17:57 nengard and we all make mistakes 17:57 nengard magnuse it's an awesome feature so of course we jumped on testing it :) hehe 17:55 * magnuse is flattered to have his patch tested so quickly, and embarassed to cause errors... 17:53 rangi cool 17:52 nengard just rushing around today 17:52 rangi because most ppl wont be running 4 yet 17:52 nengard i usually do 17:52 rangi you should definitely note that on bugs nengard 17:52 sekjal and I'm in FF 3.6 17:52 nengard i'm in FF4 if that helps with the tabs 17:51 nengard i missed his comments 17:51 nengard and now i see that sekjal was also testing at the same time 17:51 magnuse thanks nengard, i'll see to fixing that as soon as i can (but the tabs were ok for me, hm...) 17:50 nengard_lunch and added comments 17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5671 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED, Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary" 17:50 nengard_lunch magnuse i tested the patch for bug 5671 17:45 jwagner OK, will try to get it done. It doesn't touch templates. 17:45 rangi or longer if it doesnt touch templates 17:45 rangi yeah that has until the 8th 17:45 rangi any bugs that change templates need to be in by the 8th 17:45 jwagner It's a fix, not a new feature. 17:44 jwagner Ah. So I'd better get it in today or tomorrow, then :-) 17:44 rangi string freeze is 8th april 17:44 rangi feauture freeze is end of april 1 in whatever timezone you are (april 2 nztime essentially) 17:43 jwagner I have a bug fix I need to send in; just haven't got it done yet. 17:43 jwagner rangi, sorry, when is the freeze again? 17:38 magnuse that's cool 17:38 rangi its just new features this freeze is for 17:38 rangi bug fixes will be accepted after 17:38 * magnuse has sent all the patches he meant to do now 17:37 rangi :) 17:37 * oleonard is typing as fast as he can 17:37 rangi so any patches you havent sent yet, do it now! :) 17:36 magnuse yay! 17:36 rangi any new feature that isnt in either otoh .. that ill set to 3.6 17:35 rangi or needs signoff queue is still eligible 17:35 rangi anything that is in the signed-off 17:35 rangi only new stuff so you are fine 17:35 rangi tcohen: the feature freeze im not going to stop anything thats already been submitted for signoff 17:15 kf_mtg have to leave now - will be back from h ome a little later 17:14 kf_mtg :) 17:14 kf_mtg yep 17:14 oleonard So perhaps the holds queue script should ignore the damaged status if AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is set to "allow" 17:13 oleonard kf_mtg: I wasn't aware of that preference. The holds queue build script didn't take it into account 17:13 kf_mtg item was damaged already on checkout 17:12 kf_mtg it's only additional information, so borrower is not charged on return 17:12 kf_mtg our libraries don't take damaged items out of circulation 17:12 kf_mtg should this not be controlled by AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems? 17:12 kf_mtg oleonard: wondered about your patch for damaged items holds 17:10 sekjal tcohen: is the bug report updated to Patch-Sent and Signed Off? 17:01 tcohen oleonard: thanks, i realized feature freeze was tomorrow (perhaps today in nz) so i got impatient hehe 16:58 oleonard tcohen: If you've got a signoff then you're in good shape. You'll just have to wait and see from here. 16:57 tcohen i can offer a great asado in the second half of may that i'll be in spain for some days 16:56 tcohen i can make argentina loose against nz in a seven match :-P 16:55 tcohen i even have it signed-off by julian from biblibre! 16:55 oleonard tcohen: Offer fabulous prize in exchange for a patch sign-off? :) 16:53 tcohen hi ti all, i'd like to ask if anyone has any thoughts on zebraqueue_daemon making it into 3.4 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 16:51 oleonard wizzyrea: I took a stab and a partial fix for Bug 4870 and could use your feedback on that and my comments there 16:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 16:41 oleonard Bug 4870 I guess 16:32 oleonard No, I guess not. It checks for notforloan, itemlost, and wthdrawn 16:30 oleonard Hm, perhaps the holds queue report doesn't exclude damaged items? I thought it did 16:23 oleonard wizzyrea: Have you seen damaged items show up on the holds queue report lately? 16:21 oleonard |o| 16:20 magnuse o/ 16:19 Oak \o 15:44 rhcl OK, appears to be a DNS problem--changed to a known good DNS server from our ISP and we're back 15:30 tcohen rhcl: r u running telnet on the koha server? 15:24 * jwagner harrumphs. Four hours into my working day, I can finally get started on my "real" work that I was planning on doing today.... 15:16 oleonard Hi ether 15:14 oleonard Are these not talking about the same thing? 15:14 oleonard On marc_subfields_structure.pl, next to the "link" field, it says "Warning: This value should not change after data has been added to your catalog" 15:13 oleonard On marctagstructure.pl it says "If you change the link between a MARC subfield and a non-MARC field, ask your administrator to run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script" 15:13 oleonard I have a question about Koha/MARC links 15:12 rhcl telnet z3950.loc.gov 7090 connects, but our koha clients (reflecting the server?) can't 15:11 oleonard rhcl: I got z39.50 results back from LOC just fine 15:06 rhcl w/in Koha, I should specify. We can ping it and even http it. 15:04 rhcl we're getting a "connect failed to z3950.loc.gov" (and other z3950 sites). Is anybody else having z39.50 problems? 15:00 oleonard That was faster than I expected. 15:00 rhcl can anybody recommend a good, intro level sql book w/ lots of examples for our tech services people? 14:48 paul_p hi tcohen 14:47 tcohen it was a nice thread on koha-devel about the workflow 14:47 tcohen hi #koha 14:44 mib_wh0squ thanks will try it 14:41 * oleonard had better shut down just in case 14:41 * oleonard 's power goes out. Glad for the battery backup. 14:41 oleonard You could even use that to send a direct update to mysql if you have access to it. 14:40 oleonard mib_wh0squ: You could use this as a reference: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/mandatory/marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql;h=5b4fa11786627fad5b514b6b5e3328683315279c;hb=HEAD 14:39 mib_wh0squ no 14:39 oleonard Do you have another framework you could copy the details from? 14:38 mib_wh0squ yes 14:38 oleonard mib_wh0squ: You deleted it in the framework editor? 14:37 mib_wh0squ hi a client accidentally deleted a field under "add marc record" how do i put it back? the specific field is personal name 14:16 wizzyrea drdrulm, that is 14:16 wizzyrea by drulm 14:16 huginn 04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts) 14:16 wizzyrea hm, have we ever seen the code referenced here? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246 13:46 wizzyrea oleonard: yep I see 13:42 julian oleonard: i think the 'hidden by default' funds are the funds that are in an inactive budget 13:38 * wizzyrea tests that 13:37 wizzyrea that I don't think is one of our test scenarios, it will be now 13:37 wizzyrea right 13:37 oleonard wizzyrea: In my test the item is not in transit because of a hold, just because it was it was checked in at another branch 13:36 julian oleonard: in fact i didn't manage to create a fund for an inactive budget, fund is created in database, but does not appear in aqbudgets.pl 13:36 wizzyrea so you're talking about an item transited home then held/checked out again 13:36 oleonard 3. Check in item 13:35 oleonard 2. Place hold on item 13:35 oleonard 1. Check in item to make it in transit 13:35 wizzyrea on 4040 13:35 wizzyrea oleonard: was that tested with old holds/already in transit holds or new holds? 13:34 oleonard It's not clear to me what kind of funds are hidden by default 13:34 oleonard julian: Besides the layout problem, did you find that the checkbox worked? 13:27 oleonard I think I understand why the layout is messed up, so I want to see what I can do with it 13:25 julian Ok, sorry to not mentionned it ;) 13:25 oleonard I want to test it 13:24 julian oleonard: on the neworderempty.pl page, why? 13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5963 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: Add the capability to have a filter by active budget 13:23 oleonard julian: Where did you take the screenshot attached to bug 5963? 13:21 oleonard Re-worded it to match the specifics 13:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Placing a hold on an item while it is in transit results in duplicate dialogs upon check-in 13:21 oleonard Bug 4040 still unsatisfied 13:08 oleonard Geeky enough to know the +1 reference (http://laughingmeme.org/2011/03/30/1-for-knowing-your-history/), but not cool enough to see it in my Google I guess. 13:06 oleonard Cool Bunsen logo on my Google this morning 12:06 kf kf_mtg 11:51 jwagner The local news channel has been playing snatches of it, Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days, and other baseball-related songs when they do the Opening Day weather forecast 11:51 kf I had this problem with rangi showing me nz music things too 11:51 kf thx jwagner 11:50 jwagner kf, it's the John Fogerty video of Centerfield -- it was posted a while back when we were talking about baseball. 11:49 kf this video is not available in your coutnry 11:49 kf hm dieses video ist in ihrem land nicht verfügbar 11:49 druthb hehehe 11:48 jwagner And thanks to whoever posted this link a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc 11:48 druthb happy Opening Day, jwagner. :) 11:45 * jwagner wishes an excessively happy day to everyone! It's baseball's Opening Day! Yippeeeeeee! 11:45 jwagner Hi AmitG 11:45 AmitG heya jwagner 10:44 magnuse gmcharlt: yvw - and yes, i think it was skype where s/// worked! i did a double take - "what the dickens just happened there?" 10:43 gmcharlt (and thanks for the coffee ;) ) 10:42 gmcharlt magnuse: seriously? wow 10:33 * magnuse did the s/// thing in skype chat once and was rather surprised when it actually worked... 10:32 magnuse s/hans/hands/ 10:32 * magnuse hans gmcharlt some coffee 10:32 kf \o ruth :) 10:31 kf need some coffee? 10:31 * kf waves to gmcharlt 10:31 kf paul_p: looking at your mail and the google docs right now :) 10:30 * gmcharlt blearily waves from yet another airport 10:30 druthb hi, magnus n cait! o/ 10:29 kf and another meeting ahead 10:29 kf you say it 10:28 magnuse wow, is it that time of the day already... 10:28 magnuse o/ 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6005 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED, Transit slips cause Firefox 4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs" 10:14 jenkins_koha root: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs" 10:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #94: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/94/ 10:11 magnuse yay! 10:08 kf back 09:34 jenkins_koha Starting build 94 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box 09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Resorting results of CCL queries fails in Staff Client 09:34 jenkins_koha * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home" 09:34 jenkins_koha * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults. 09:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #93: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/93/ 09:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d707b5e9b7f18351d9b996f5f73a1ae53066080> 08:55 jenkins_koha Starting build 93 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5988 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in english opac.pref file 08:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10 08:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences 08:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10 08:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5940 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Update Help Files for 3.4 08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Offline Circ & Patron Card Help Files for 3.4 08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug5940: Authority, Labels, Circ help files for 3.4 08:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Admin Help Files for 3.4 08:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #92: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/92/ 08:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a64cfba5e10be80a220f6c8164905788ba5a78b> / Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8548b804f49a5e84a64b7caf2457daf1a83f834b> 08:30 magnus_laptop night bg 08:28 rangi night bg 08:28 bg night #koha 08:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47a53e9132ed613f257aae61958cc9e5c20d91b6> / Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=731b933d51367489422b90fa7021cfc42c747584> / Merge remote branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_5940 <http://git.koha-commun 08:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 92 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:12 marcelr ok 08:07 paul_p kf_mtg, & marcelr = inventory number is perfect for frenchies ! we say "Numéro d'inventaire" 08:07 paul_p hi marcelr 08:07 kf_mtg ok, meeting time 07:58 marcelr fine 07:58 kf see 07:58 kf I followed paul's suggestion - hope that is ok for you too? 07:58 marcelr say or see 07:57 kf did you say the patch removing uniqueness from the field? 07:57 marcelr no problem 07:57 kf and thx for testing - hope we find a good solution .) 07:56 marcelr ok 07:56 kf I will ask around when working on the patch later today 07:56 marcelr ye 07:56 kf perhaps too early 07:55 kf yeah, I hoped someone would say something now.. :) 07:55 marcelr maybe someone here?? 07:55 kf becaue it resembles our words for it 07:55 kf zeno is from italy - not sure if inventory number only sounds better to us 07:55 marcelr i mailed the list yesterday; zeno responded 07:55 kf perhaps we should ask some native speakers before we change the descriptions? 07:54 marcelr ok i look for your submit 07:54 kf and I will change the frameworks too 07:54 marcelr probably 07:54 kf for the index 07:54 kf would that work? 07:53 kf have the full name stocknumber, have an alias inv 07:53 wahanui so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate? 07:53 marcelr so? 07:53 kf easy to teach my librarians 07:53 kf I would ike that 07:53 kf what about... sorry 07:53 kf that about an alias inv 07:53 kf hm 07:52 marcelr framework at least; we could have indexes withalias 07:52 kf renaming is not a big deal, I only want to avoid confusion 07:52 kf index or frameworks? 07:51 marcelr i would prefer to rename 07:51 kf the description.. 07:51 kf so you don't want me to change the naming in the frameworks? 07:51 kf ok 07:51 marcelr signed your first patch alreadu with stock 07:51 kf the other index names are called like the fields it seems 07:50 kf I am not sure though that we should rename the index 07:50 kf so it sounds much better to me 07:50 marcelr i would prefer inventory 07:50 kf the German word is Inventarnummer 07:50 kf didn't want to sound rude or something, only very tired this morning and was away all day yesterday 07:50 marcelr and inventory number? 07:49 kf sorry :) 07:49 marcelr ok 07:48 kf I asked around here at work too - my experts say 1062 is correct 07:48 kf that'sit 07:48 kf Number-local-acquisition 1062 Document acquisition number assigned by the system. 07:48 kf writing comment now 07:48 kf yep 07:46 marcelr kf: 1062.. please see http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html 07:46 marcelr morning koha; kf around? 07:38 kf she says 1062 is the choice she would have made too :( 07:38 kf I asked our format expert 07:38 rangi i have no idea 07:38 rangi hmm 07:37 kf as I see it the 8000 are kind of like 9xx in MARC21? 07:36 kf because the description of this attribute is exactly what a stocknumber/inventorynumber is 07:36 * magnuse wanders off to find breakfast 07:36 kf I don#t understand why it should be wrong to pick 1062 07:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add mapping for items.stocknumber to MARC21 07:36 kf bug 5839 07:36 kf herei s my question :) 07:36 kf ok 07:33 francharb hehe 07:33 magnuse francharb: i would stink at that - i'm terrible with names and faces... 07:32 francharb ;) 07:32 francharb magnuse: never played the game "guess who?" ? http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guess_who.jpg 07:31 bg also brendan_ = brendan 07:31 * bg = brendan 07:31 bg heh 07:31 * magnuse is all confused by the new nicks... 07:30 AmitG heya kf 07:30 kf very glad too 07:30 kf eythian++ 07:30 rangi hi francharb 07:29 bg eythian++ 07:29 * bg is glad that eythian is working on accountlines 07:29 francharb ;) 07:29 kf only... 3 days now :) 07:28 magnuse bonjour francharb 07:28 kf hi francharb :) 07:28 francharb morning @koha! 07:27 Space_Librarian_home will be out the oven in about 5. smells good though 07:27 bg 's can be 07:27 bg just showing how stupid RFP 07:27 eythian bg: yeah, one's a typo for the other 07:27 bg heh - that was a response from a RFP 07:27 bg I only see something from Robin not eythian 07:27 rangi how was the mac and cheese Space_Librarian_home ? 07:26 Space_Librarian_home :) 07:26 rangi :) 07:26 * magnuse looks at his own spelling with disgust 07:26 * eythian is off home, but I hope you all read through my plans for the account system on koha-devel and say they're completely perfect :) 07:26 magnuse pail_p: definitely! 07:26 magnuse paul_p: yes, really 07:26 paul_p magnuse, I propose we will speak of this next week ! 07:25 bg heh 07:25 magnuse bg: trouvle is, i don't think librarians in norway are tuned to a very wide specter of input... 07:24 magnuse paul_p: i recently did a presentation for a consortium of school - they lend out standard text books, so they may have in the area of 10.000 items for some of their records... 07:24 bg that's how we did it 07:24 rangi sometimes i think our rfp are written in french, thats how much i understand them :) 07:24 bg yup foot in the door is key... the nice thing now is that you can let koha talk for you 07:24 paul_p magnuse, really ? (aleph announcement) 07:24 rangi paul_p: yep, we may have the same specialists hehe 07:23 kf hm not always :) 07:23 magnuse bg: yeah, but the problem is getting that foot in the door, and i'm hardly the born salesman 07:23 paul_p in France, we have a few specialists that help libraries writing RFP. One is well known to have a standard RFP, that is 20years old, and he just changes a few lines since then. So some questions are really funny. Like "how many items can you attach to a given biblio" 07:23 bg rangi is always here 07:23 rangi yep 07:23 kf rangi: are you arond a bit longer? 07:22 bg sounds like a good time for you and koha 07:22 rangi oh its a digital imaging thermometer 07:22 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:22 kf magnuse: weird 07:22 kf hi bg and rangi :) 07:22 magnuse it's an intersting time in norway - the norwegian vendor of services for aleph have said they will stop selling those services, so libraries using aleph must buy support from abroad or find a new system... 07:22 rangi hi kf 07:22 bg heya kf 07:22 rangi lets invent it 07:22 kf morning #koha 07:22 bg heh - I liked mertis - sounded better 07:22 rangi and price 07:21 rangi merits 07:21 rangi technical mertis 07:21 rangi koha won on both 07:21 rangi with the double envelope system 07:21 bg :) go for it 07:21 rangi open tender is what hauraki did 07:21 magnuse thanks bg - i just know there is a small consortium that has said they will do an rfp, so i'm waiting for that to happen 07:21 bg magnuse++ you can do it 07:21 rangi not cut and paste from 1971 :) 07:20 rangi or even an rfp where they have thought about it 07:20 bg magnuse - good luck with your first - best of luck to you.. 07:20 magnuse hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_tender 07:19 bg then let's talk 07:19 rangi yeah 07:19 bg it's if you want a system that can meet your needs 07:19 rangi magnuse: yeah basically, 'we want a solution to run our library .. what have you got' 07:18 rangi when you dont have an out of the box 07:18 bg and the nice thing about what we do - is that we can do anything 07:18 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:18 magnuse open tender? hoe does that work? a library would just say "show us what you got"? 07:18 rangi and they are written in a way that makes it hard to answer 07:17 paul_p hi rangi & magnuse 07:17 rangi because only the same old ones have enough money to spend answering them 07:17 rangi thats pretty much what they do with RFP 07:17 bg 's aren't written for open source 07:17 magnuse otherwise, i can picture all too vividly averyone just byuing from the same old "safe" vendors 07:17 rangi rather than spend weeks answering questions that are pointless 07:17 bg RFP 07:16 rangi where you can actually pitch a solution 07:16 rangi open tender works much better for that 07:16 rangi not often 07:16 magnuse but on the other hand, it is a way for newcomers like me to get a foot in the door 07:15 magnuse rangi: yeah, it seems like a really wasteful process 07:15 rangi they make everything cost more for themselves 07:15 bg no they do not 07:15 rangi i wonder if libraries realise that by using them 07:15 rangi rfp cost so much to answer 07:15 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.8�C (12:15 AM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). 07:15 bg @wunder 93109 07:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:15 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:15 rangi heh 07:15 bg magnuse - you'll regret those words ;) 07:14 * magnuse will get to answer his first rfp soonish, hopefully 07:14 bg to bad there isn't a proprietary channel 07:14 bg it's rant about RFP time :) 07:13 bg heya rangi++ 07:13 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:13 rangi evening 07:12 bg yup 07:12 bg :) 07:12 paul_p bg: you mean "yes we can" ? :D 07:12 paul_p (we answered saying: "hey it's impossible, here is our timeline". a new RFP just being issued last week without the "live on april" :D 07:11 bg sometimes - I just want to send a single page back that says " YES of course " 07:11 paul_p another one that was funny was one published on 2011, march, 1st saying "the system will be live on 2011, April 30th" 07:11 bg good call 07:11 paul_p (we did not answer ;-) ) 07:10 bg OMG 07:10 paul_p the more stupid RFP I ever saw saw one asking, i'm not kidding 1400 questions, and it was a library with 3 librarians and less than 30 000 items !!! 07:09 bg 's that keep me up 07:09 bg or maybe it's stupid RFP 07:08 bg ;) 07:08 paul_p (reaching a 7digit number will be a huge step, at least psychollogically speaking ;-) ) 07:08 bg hence why I'm here 07:08 bg heh - that keeps me up at night 07:08 paul_p yep. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning I think : "hey, you're managing a company that should do 1 million € of income this year. Are you dreaming ?" 07:07 bg agreed 07:07 bg sustained_but_managed_growth++ 07:07 bg 16 is pretty awesome 07:07 paul_p sustained_but_managed_growth++ 07:07 bg paul_p++ 07:06 bg that would be too fast 07:06 bg heh 07:06 paul_p (we're 16) 07:06 paul_p congrats for your new employees. you'll be more than BibLibre in a few months if you continue growing like that ;-) 07:05 bg new IRC new nick 07:05 bg yup 07:05 paul_p hi bg (brendan ?) 07:05 bg hi paul 07:05 paul_p hello world 07:03 bg :) 07:03 bg wow it's already that time - heya paul_p 06:51 mirbolt thanks eythian 06:50 eythian mirbolt: test it on a copy of the database, but I think a straight upgrade should work. 06:48 magnuse hi bg 06:48 bg heya magnuse 06:48 magnuse goood morning #koha! 06:40 mirbolt hello. i am currently running 3.00.06, i want to upgrade to 3.2.6. i am wondering should i do an incremental upgrade, e.g. upgrade to 3.2.0, then 3.2.2, etc or just jump straight into 3.2.6? 06:03 bg india made the final :) 06:02 AmitG heya bg 06:02 bg heya AmitG 04:07 gmcharlt mtj: git show --stat <commithash> 03:51 mtj but *not* actual changes 03:51 mtj a command to show files changed, in a git commit? 03:50 mtj git Q 03:45 jcamins_away Also, are there instructions on how to use the new features? 03:43 jcamins_away I really like the Analyze link, though. 03:41 AmitG ok sure 03:41 jcamins_away That is, a follow-up to the analytics branch. 03:40 jcamins_away AmitG: I think you really need a follow-up patch which changes the frameworks. 03:23 space_librarian I learn something new everyday. :) 03:23 AmitG heya galen 03:23 gmcharlt ;) 03:23 gmcharlt space_librarian: well, if seven weeks feels like two ... 03:21 space_librarian And I think it's about 7 weeks now? I lose count... 03:21 space_librarian hey! It's going to be a great final. 03:20 wahanui somebody said space_librarian was a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ? 03:20 AmitG heya space_librarian 03:20 AmitG India is in final 03:20 AmitG heya chris 03:09 jenkins_koha Henri-Damien LAURENT: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names 03:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #91: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/91/ 02:52 rangi and the rest im sure will get signed off/fixed at the hackfest 02:51 rangi with another 23 waiting to be pushed 02:51 rangi and already 78 patches are in master :) 02:51 * rangi is nearly finished that branch too, and then we are done ! 02:50 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/biblibre_various <-- the sudoc submodule in there 02:50 rangi will do 02:50 * wizzyrea sings hdl a soothing lullabye 02:50 rangi its about sudoc stuff 02:50 hdl I have to take a train. 02:50 hdl rangi send me a message 02:50 rangi ill ask you later :) 02:50 rangi go to sleep 02:50 rangi i see the time 02:49 rangi oh hang on 02:49 rangi hdl: i have a question for you 02:49 hdl see you all 02:49 hdl ok. 02:49 rangi we are looking at this too, for ideas, but basically its fixing the table structure 02:49 eythian yeah, I looked at all the other ones, the goal of this is to have a nice, flexible (and documented) accounts system. Partial payments is just the sort of thing that falls out of that. 02:48 huginn 04Bug 5905: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Biblibre, Partial fine payments 02:48 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5905 02:48 hdl ok. 02:48 rangi that just happens to allow partial fines too 02:48 wizzyrea and they-who-shall-not-be-named also have partial fines 02:48 rangi yeah this a full rewrite 02:48 hdl We have it on our master. 02:47 hdl julian has made a branch for partial fines payment. 02:47 eythian hdl: it's in progress. 02:47 eythian yeah, that's the impetus, but the whole accounts system isn't very nice and all the existing attempts are just sticking them on with bog. 02:47 hdl eythian: have you done all the job already ? 02:47 wizzyrea that's one they've been wanting desperately 02:46 wizzyrea oh partial fines 02:46 rangi chris_n++ 02:46 eythian yeah, and being flexible enough to say "pay for rentals only" or "anything but fines" automatically when they're charged. 02:45 wizzyrea ooo 02:45 eythian There's also stuff not mentioned in there to do with auto-paying from credit and such. 02:45 * wizzyrea reads 02:44 eythian http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/e03009 <-- wizzyrea it's not very in depth, but it's where I'm going with it 02:41 wizzyrea <3 02:41 eythian wizzyrea: One moment, I'll grab you a summary 02:41 * wizzyrea is now curious about eythian's accounts rewrite, because fines are of particular interest to several of my libraries 02:40 eythian wizzyrea: cool. We'll, it'll be fairly easy to implement on top of this, I think. 02:40 wizzyrea s/will/would 02:40 wizzyrea eythian++ my libraries will like that 02:39 rangi awesome 02:37 eythian (and having all the balances working out properly) 02:37 eythian rangi: I just realised that with a little more work (which I'm not going to do here), my accounts rewrite would allow balance to be transferred, or one person paying off anothers fines. I'll note that in the code :) 02:34 eythian you're supposed to add the punchline :) 02:34 rangi :) 02:34 * gmcharlt feels like there must have been a punchline following it 02:33 gmcharlt I wonder why I added that quote 02:33 gmcharlt hmm 02:33 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #53: "joetho: what kind of shape are the records in?" (added by gmcharlt at 10:17 PM, February 05, 2010) 02:33 gmcharlt @quote random 02:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 91 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=641616ef7fd43600864d46f39b938ef3cd8cd4f3> 02:12 space_librarian night 02:12 wizzyrea gnite :) 02:12 jcamins_away Anyway, good night. 02:12 jcamins_away If only I had thought of that. 02:12 jcamins_away Ooh, garlic butter. 02:11 wizzyrea i just ate and that makes me hungry 02:11 space_librarian steak and garlic butter... nom. 02:10 wizzyrea myshkin, leave the steak for cat-mom 02:10 space_librarian :) 02:10 wizzyrea :D yay! 02:10 jcamins_away And, yes, I'm glad I don't have an ant on my ear. 02:10 jcamins_away Yay! Shari's home! Time to eat. 02:09 wizzyrea at least you don't have my problem, an ant crawling on your ear 02:08 * jcamins_away feels silly sitting at his computer doing homework and guarding the steak from the cat. 02:02 jcamins_away It was several days ago. 02:02 wizzyrea (and yes, I really did just recognize the irony of calling him spud when he isn't keen on potatoes. I wonder if these things are related...) 02:02 jcamins_away Not yesterday. 02:01 wizzyrea spud *does* like the gnocchi 02:01 * jcamins_away made those yesterday. 02:01 * space_librarian is getting hungry now... 02:01 wizzyrea and it's mahvellous 02:01 wizzyrea s 02:01 wizzyrea jcamins has a great recipe for sweet potato gnocchi that I've made several time 02:01 space_librarian it's really good with stew 02:00 mtj boxty looks genius! 02:00 wizzyrea mmmm those look evil and wonderful 02:00 space_librarian even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_(food) 02:00 wizzyrea not even so much on french fries 01:59 space_librarian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxty 01:59 wizzyrea spud is just not real keen on potatoes (irony) 01:59 jcamins_away wizzyrea: awww. You're raising a heretic. :P 01:59 wizzyrea hmm 01:59 wizzyrea this is near-bout heresy! 01:59 jcamins_away I don't think there is any other form of potato I don't like. Just mashed potatoes. 01:59 * space_librarian loves boxty too... 01:59 wizzyrea he doesn't like them at all 01:58 wizzyrea my kid is the only person I know who won't eat mashed potatoes 01:58 * jcamins_away doesn't like mashed potatoes. 01:58 wizzyrea stupid electric stove. 01:58 wizzyrea I let my sauce get too hot and it went a bit grainy, but it still tasted good 01:58 space_librarian I love mashed potatoes....that'd be good too. 01:58 wizzyrea :D nice! 01:58 space_librarian wizzyrea: I'm going to be making mac cheese tonight - I've made sure I have everything. :D 01:57 wizzyrea steak and mashed potatoes are one thing I cannot turn down 01:57 wizzyrea I was thinking steak earlier 01:57 space_librarian oh yum. 01:57 wizzyrea nice! 01:56 jcamins_away So steak we shall have. 01:56 jcamins_away Shari called and said she'd like steak. 01:56 jcamins_away That actually sounds pretty good. 01:54 wizzyrea (home made, with chicken and broccoli) 01:54 wizzyrea space_librarian: I made mac and cheese for dinner ^.^ 01:51 space_librarian ciao 01:50 waylon Okay, thats me for now. laters all. 01:21 waylon right. 01:20 eythian So, well before you're committing to anything. 01:20 eythian before you accept or move or whatever, otherwise it'd be a bit unfair. 01:19 waylon Would a "yes, we want you, but you'd need to move to Wellington" come with income information prehaps?...when would income info be dispensed? 01:01 space_librarian these are all factors that you need to think about. 01:00 waylon ah.... hmm.. then... getting a job at Catalyst could be a risk to stability... if relocating proves to be impractical. 00:56 eythian it would depend on too many factors to be able to say, really. 00:55 mtj /private lol 00:53 waylon What kind of per week pay would someone get at Catalyst, for a new hire? Real question is... would it support the cost of renting a 2 or 3 bedroom house, power, phone, net etc? I really have never worked fulltime. only part time contracting for overseas. 00:49 mtj twas a general suggestion, from me 00:48 waylon theres no job info on their website.... might mean no vacancies. 00:47 waylon yeah.... true... what skillset they after? 00:46 mtj waylon: Katipo would be a good fit for working at home, too 00:46 eythian that's quite possible, yeah. 00:45 waylon Right... so there is a chance of... "Hey, we like you, but your in Palmerston north. Move to Wellington, and we'll take you."? 00:45 rangi i think 3 ppl out of 114 00:44 rangi not many at all, has to be a pretty special set of circumstances 00:44 mtj ok, back to it... 00:44 mtj yeah, me too :) 00:44 eythian hmm, it would probably be a director's call. There are some people who work remotely, but not all that many I think. 00:44 * waylon sends CV's in PDF and Openoffice format. 00:43 * wizzyrea is shocked anyone wouldn't want to live in wellington 00:43 mtj ha, classic advice too! :) 00:43 waylon It is PAYE, work from home, or is there a need to move to wellington? 00:43 eythian just don't send in a word doc :) 00:42 waylon Then i shall look at my cv, dust it off and send it. 00:42 eythian yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees is the long answer 00:41 rangi yes is the short answer 00:41 rangi http://catalyst.net.nz/company/jobs 00:40 waylon is there jobs available in catalyst, currently? 00:37 waylon yup. 00:37 mtj damian conway, even? 00:37 eythian mtj: yeah, I used to do that, although it's a hard habit to sustain. 00:37 eythian which leads to good design of small modular parts 00:37 mtj ive often heard folks say "if you are really clever , you can write your tests *before* your code" 00:37 eythian yep 00:37 waylon Helps to have stuff in subs that can be tested, independant of webpage interaction eh? 00:35 eythian when writing/refactoring is the best time to make tests. That way you can make tests that fail and fix the code until they pass. 00:32 waylon hmm.. what i mean... is when people use make test, they test for things that are usually going right already. 00:32 mtj a late starter on that one... :) 00:32 mtj i only wrote my 1st Koha test recently too :/ 00:31 mtj … theres no end of little things to fix, in Koha 00:31 waylon as opposed to a manual bugfix testing. 00:31 waylon mean a automated 'make test' 00:30 mtj pick a pet Koha peeve, and fix it... 00:30 waylon i mean.. i know how to make a test, have to to get around some strange idicrosincracies of some distros bugs...but .. to know WHAT to test... difficult. 00:29 mtj oops, i would *brush* up on … 00:29 mtj i would up on my jquery, and show an ability to hack/mod Koha, using git 00:28 eythian that's something that's worth learning :) 00:28 waylon or create any tests. 00:28 eythian I never have either 00:28 waylon I have yet to make a perl makefile. 00:27 waylon yup, know html... learning git, but need practical practise. 00:27 eythian waylon: yeah, all the standard toolchain stuff. 00:27 mtj ahh, and git ;) 00:27 waylon mtj: a PAYE work from home using skills and knowledge, to work on something your passionate about... whats not to like? 00:26 mtj html, and html-templating stuff too 00:26 eythian waylon: the more the better. All the stuff that you'd expect for web-dev type things is worthwhile. 00:26 mtj i use a lot of those , these days, for mods 00:25 mtj jquery, mysql, css 00:25 waylon Beyond Perl and Koha.... any others? im guessing that developers don't have just koha to work on. 00:24 eythian mtj: it's where all the cool kids want to be these days :) 00:24 mtj oooh, catalyst sound busy… 00:23 waylon I have a good knowledge of both, and of mysql.. This is Waylon Robertson ... 33rd contributor to koha... and i usually use the nick Genji. 00:22 rangi you should definitely send in a cv 00:22 rangi im pretty sure you have both of those :) 00:22 rangi you'd want to have some perl skills, the more the better, and some knowledge of koha 00:22 rangi hi waylon 00:20 waylon Hiya all.... to have a good chance at obtaining a job at Catalyst, working with #koha.... what skills do i need? what level of knowledge in those skills?