Time Nick Message 00:22 rangi heh 00:22 rangi @wunder wellington nz 00:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 00:35 brendan_ yup NZ and rangi win again 00:36 rangi :) 02:25 jcamins_away brendan/bg: around? 03:12 AmitG hi chris 03:18 gimireh hello 03:18 wahanui que tal, gimireh 03:23 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:46 gimireh i have running koha 3.005 version on ubuntu 9.10 server, the system was working fine but now bib items are not recorded on db 03:47 gimireh i think this appeared after we had a bulk import of bibliographic items 03:49 gimireh items don't show in items tab of catalogue but when i click on edit item, there is list of items there 03:49 gimireh any idea what is happening 04:26 brendan_ hi AmitG 04:29 AmitG heya brendan_\ 04:29 AmitG heya kmkale 04:37 kmkale hi AmitG 04:37 kmkale hi brendan_ 04:38 brendan_ heya kmkale 04:38 AmitG heya kmkale india vs pakistan 04:38 AmitG you saw yesterday match 04:39 Oak hehe, Pakistan *can* win 04:39 kmkale AmitG: partially. only the last few overs 04:40 AmitG heya Oak 04:40 AmitG India wins 04:40 kmkale yup India pak gonna be tense match 04:40 Oak heya AmitG 04:40 AmitG yes 04:40 AmitG now most people on half day leave 04:40 AmitG on 30 march 04:40 AmitG india vs pakistan big match i m right kmkale 04:42 kmkale yup 04:42 kmkale currrent form pak 70:30 04:42 AmitG means kmkale 04:42 AmitG pak 70 india 30 04:43 kmkale IMHO 04:43 Oak Pakistan can't chase 300+ easily I fear... and Indian batting line up is looooong 04:43 kmkale Oak: Pak has about the best bowling attack currently 04:43 Oak I know :) 04:44 Oak so very interesting 04:44 Oak scenario 04:44 kmkale but India vs Pak brings out the best in everybody so hoping for the best :) 04:44 AmitG yes ur right Oak 04:44 AmitG Oak: r u from which country 04:44 Oak Pakistan 04:44 wahanui Pakistan is Nepal now, unless I missed something. Yes? 04:44 AmitG Oak r u from pakistan 04:44 Oak wahanui, you are mistaken 04:44 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot... 04:44 Oak yes AmitG 04:44 AmitG your real name 04:45 Oak why would I do that AmitG ? 04:46 AmitG wahanui : u mean pakistan is nepal? 04:46 wahanui i don't know, amitg 06:51 cait hi #koha 06:52 brendan_ heya cait 06:53 cait hi brendan_ 07:03 jransom heya Cait, Brendan 07:05 cait hi jransom 07:09 AmitG heya jrasnsom 07:09 AmitG heya cait 07:09 AmitG jransom: today SA vs NZ 07:10 cait hi AmitG 07:12 jransom hi Amit 07:22 rangi evening 07:22 jransom hey Chris 07:31 cait hi rangi 07:41 cait ok, time to go 07:50 AmitG heya sophie_m 07:51 sophie_m hello #koha 07:53 julian hi #koha 07:55 AmitG heya julian 08:13 kf hi #koha 08:19 AmitG heya kf 08:20 kf hi again AmitG :) 08:44 jransom Paul :) 08:50 kf hi paul_p and sophie_m 08:50 kf sophie_m++ for fixing the english message names :) 09:30 kmkale Namaskar #koha 09:32 kf hi kmkale :) 09:33 kmkale hi kf 09:35 kf rangi: still around? 10:37 * kmkale waves at druthb 10:37 druthb hi, kmkale. :) 10:38 * kf waves at druthb :) 10:40 druthb o/ 12:14 AmitG heya nengard, jwagner 12:14 jwagner Hi AmitG 12:15 nengard hiya 12:16 AmitG heya nengard 12:25 kf wizzyrea: around? 12:26 kf @later tell wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=b7270536e42ced349fdbf72d63c795f4d4eb6384 12:26 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 12:28 * druthb hands NateC the Velcro 12:28 NateC Why thank you 13:20 magnuse wanted: an example of a live opac with lots of branches 13:22 sekjal magnuse: does the dropdown for branch selection need to be on, or do the branches just need to be configured in the system? 13:22 magnuse sekjal: both would be interesting 13:25 sekjal http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ has the dropdown 13:25 sekjal http://masscat.bywatersolutions.com/ does not 13:27 kf magnuse: nekls? 13:27 kf ah, I am too slow 13:27 magnuse yeah, should have thought about that - thanks sekjal! 13:28 danke i'm on koha 3.0, and when i genrate barcodes with low numbers... the width overruns the layout. is this bug fixed in later versions? i can't find anything 13:28 sekjal welcome, magnuse! 13:28 sekjal danke: Koha 3.2 has a significant rewrite of the label creator 13:29 danke excellent... how easy is the upgrade path? 13:29 sekjal very 13:29 danke how about moving onto a new machine? it's on a minitx box at the moment! 13:29 danke :) 13:30 sekjal danke: that would also be doable. dump your database on the old system, note your configurations, then do a fresh install on the new machine 13:30 sekjal upload the database, and the installer will update it's structure for you 13:30 danke wow, excellent. so literally everything i need is in the mysql db? 13:30 danke like... running mysqldump will be a good backup of the system? 13:31 sekjal yes 13:31 sekjal it's a very good backup 13:31 danke haha, yes. i love open source 13:31 danke thank you! 13:31 sekjal restoring from it, you'd need to rebuild the indexes, which takes time, but is all scripted 13:31 danke to be expected really 13:31 sekjal danke: you're very welcome. let us know if anything comes up in the process 13:32 danke will do, thank you 13:32 kf hi danke 13:32 kf are you from germany? 13:32 danke nope, the uk 13:32 kf ah, your name means thank you in German 13:33 danke yep. my actual name is dan keast, i've always liked that chopping the end off does that 13:33 kf :) 13:35 magnuse does anyone else have the left hand menu right at the bottom of this page - or is it just me? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide (FF 3.6.16 on OS X) 13:37 ebegin magnuse, I do have that too 13:37 ebegin FF4 on XP 13:38 magnuse hm, that menu is misbehving on some other pages too - i wonder why 13:43 nengard webinar time 13:43 nengard ttyl 13:55 wizzyrea ooo 13:56 wizzyrea one of my librarians just found a bug on additem.pl 13:56 sekjal wizzyrea: do tell! 13:57 * wizzyrea goes to file a bug 14:00 wizzyrea so if you have an item that is checked out 14:00 wizzyrea and you mark it lost on additem.pl 14:00 wizzyrea it will mark it lost, but not check it in (wrong) 14:01 wizzyrea if you do it from the moredetail.pl, when you mark an item lost it checks it in and puts the fee on the patron's account (right) 14:02 wizzyrea mind you, I've tested this on my production, not on my dev box... I"m going to go do that now. 14:05 danke would it be better to run the upgrade, then migrate to a new machine or vice versa? 14:06 sekjal wizzyrea: sounds familiar 14:06 danke ... i take it that the system wont detect the database is for an old version, and it's the upgrade which does the db modifications? 14:06 wizzyrea when you fire up your intranet for the first time it will detect you need a db update 14:06 sekjal danke: the Koha code itself checks to see if the DB version matches the code version 14:06 sekjal if the DB is out of date, it gets upgraded 14:06 wizzyrea ^^ 14:07 danke so i can just put the database onto a new server, and install the latest version... everything is handled for me? 14:07 sekjal if the code is behind the data, though, there is nothing for that except to upgrade to match the DB 14:07 sekjal danke: yes 14:07 danke wow... that's really considerate programming 14:08 sekjal written by some really smart people 14:13 wizzyrea bug 5953 14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5953 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, LOST status not behaving correctly from additem.pl 14:14 wizzyrea how big is your DB, danke? 14:17 wizzyrea (i ask because if it's largish, you might want to run updatedatabase.pl from the command line so it doesn't time out) 14:17 wizzyrea (especially if you're coming from 3.0) 14:22 sekjal danke: I'd recommend running it from the commandline, regardless of size, if you're doing that big an upgrade. Shows the update in real-time, which is more satisfying 14:22 sekjal to my mind, at least 14:23 wizzyrea hehe 14:23 wizzyrea that's a really good rason 14:23 wizzyrea reason, even 14:51 danke sorry, had to run off for a bit... i'm not sure how big it is now, the db was filled on the test machine without me... pretty small though i reckon 14:51 danke it's the toy library for the childrens center for a small town 14:52 danke ah, that's quite handy actually... was considering using the koha live cd to setup the new machine quickly. being able to do it from the commandline would be nice 14:52 rhcl नमसà¥à¤¤à¥‡ #koha 14:55 danke can i add images against items in the library? 14:55 wizzyrea I thought jcamins was working on something like that but it was ages ago... afaik that function isn't currently in koha 14:56 danke ah, okay. it's not important really 14:56 wizzyrea (you mean a la adding your own images for your records, right?) 14:56 wizzyrea (in place of say, amazon or google images) 14:57 danke yeah, that's it. a lot of them are toys, so an image would help cataloguing 14:57 wizzyrea I can definitely see how the images would be of use in a toy library 14:58 * wizzyrea imagines a terriffically complex batch import procedure for mapping bibnumbers to photos with filenames to correspond... brain melts down. 14:58 danke haha, yeah... there's the rub 14:58 danke it's that or blob fields. ech. 14:59 wizzyrea batch assigning the file names alone 15:00 wizzyrea that would be a big project. 15:00 wizzyrea if only toy manufacturers would agree on a standard set of metadata to assign to every toy... 15:00 danke sometimes they can be the most fun... i wish i had more spare time 15:01 danke "made in china"... haha, don't think that's going to happen 15:01 wizzyrea :) 15:01 wizzyrea with a unique identifying number! 15:01 wizzyrea 10 digits would be enough? right? 15:01 * wizzyrea repeats past foibles 15:02 wizzyrea sorry sorry, it's probably not clear that I'm in a snarktastic and sarcastic mode this morning 15:03 wizzyrea so don't take anything like the above ^^ seriously ;) 15:04 danke nah, i get it. it would be amazing though... maybe you could give them unique ipv6 addresses 15:04 wizzyrea well it would be nice, actually 15:05 wizzyrea for every toy 15:05 wizzyrea to have metadata regarding who made it, where it was made, what it's made of 15:06 wizzyrea some of that's on the package, but it's not formalized 15:06 danke yeah, i don't think any of these have any packaging left 15:06 * wizzyrea is thinking of the online stores who would benefit. 15:07 danke I'm geniunely wondering about what to do about children eating the barcodes off of them too 15:07 danke maybe just a folder with photos to store them instead of on the toys themselves 15:07 wizzyrea a bag with the barcode on it? 15:08 wizzyrea I think that' what our library that has a collection of cake pans 15:08 wizzyrea does 15:08 wizzyrea cuzn you can't bake the barcodes 15:08 danke these are babies to about 6 year olds... they'd probably eat the bag. haha 15:09 wizzyrea or suffocate :P 15:09 wizzyrea which would be worse 15:09 danke i'm just a parent, the libraries been requested as parents are erm... acquiring toys 15:09 danke yeah, debatable :p 15:09 danke haha 15:11 wizzyrea well, you could put a photo of the toy inside the bag, take the toy out of the bag at circ time, then keep the bag behind the desk until the toy comes back 15:12 wizzyrea i.e. don't give the bag to the patron 15:12 wizzyrea why yes, I might be hung up on bags. 15:12 danke haha, nah it's a good idea 15:12 danke though some of the toys are massive 15:12 wizzyrea wouldn't work for those obviously 15:12 danke like... toddler bikes etc 15:12 wizzyrea superglue? 15:12 wizzyrea epoxy over the barcode? 15:13 wizzyrea varnish? 15:13 danke yeah, that's a good idea 15:13 wizzyrea you didn't know you were going to be in for a deluge of how to fix your problem suggestions when you logged in this morning, did you :) 15:14 * wizzyrea also has a 3 year old, can imagine the challenges of circulating toys with anything even remotely removable on them 15:14 danke haha... so far my two year old has broken the tv, the oven, our speakers, and the wii 15:15 wizzyrea !!!!! your kid trumps my kid in the destructive department 15:15 danke some kind of nuclear defense strategy probably wont keep anything stuck to these toys 15:16 danke the oven was a genius one... when we weren't looking he'd shoved a teaspoon between the top of the oven and the worktop.... it's a fan oven and the teaspoon slowly got juddered back until it fell on two electrical contacts 15:17 wizzyrea !!! that stinks lol 15:17 danke haha, tell me about it. a replacement element is £50 15:18 wizzyrea (in our house the oven is a strict "don't go there" area. We make him stand on the carpet about 5 feet away when it's open, and he doesn't really go near it even when it's off because it might be hot... he learned that the not-damaging-but-hot-enough-to-sting way) 15:19 wizzyrea (he touched the outside of the oven one day when it was on) 15:19 danke haha, that's the ticket 15:19 wizzyrea ("oh!" lightbulb "It's HOT!" 15:20 danke i mean... the oven is left switched off at the wall whenever he's near it... never thought about the evil genius spoon tactic 15:20 wizzyrea yea, that's pretty ingenius, I have to say 15:21 kf magnuse? 15:24 * kf tries summoning magnus_away 15:30 * wizzyrea imagines kf doing some sort of norwegian summoning ritual, giggles 15:31 mib_ilomdd Does anyone know if there is a way to globally change the patron message settings? I need all Patrons to get overdue email! 15:31 mib_ilomdd For some reason they're all set to off 15:37 kf lol 15:37 kf wizzyrea: found the cause of my problem (auth value codes) but it's not in master :) 15:38 wizzyrea mib_ilomdd: we had the same problem, we ended up having to do a db level update to all patrons to turn it on 15:38 wizzyrea kf :) i saw your @later, i'm not sure why one would want the code *and* the description there. 15:38 wizzyrea someone obviously did 15:38 wizzyrea but to me 15:39 wizzyrea if you really want that... just put the code into the description, problem solved 15:40 kf yep 15:41 kf mib_ilomdd: I think there will be a script for doing this in 3.4 15:41 kf but not available in current version 15:41 kf wizzyrea: happy to know it will be gone soon :) 15:41 kf time for weekend now! 15:41 kf bye all :) 15:41 wizzyrea yay weekend! 15:45 mib_ilomdd Thanks - I will see if I can write something up...we can't upgrade just yet! 15:58 sekjal in a multiple branch setup with IndependentBranches enabled, should the homebranch always be able to update/edit/checkin the item, even if it's been sent to another branch (holdingbranch) to fill a hold? 16:00 wizzyrea sekjal: you would think so? 16:00 wizzyrea I mean, I would think so? 16:00 * wizzyrea tries to wrap her head about a setup where you wouldn't want that 16:01 sekjal I would think that the library that owns the item should always have permissions on it 16:01 wizzyrea that would be my assumption too 16:01 sekjal the library holding the item should have permissions, as well, since they have it, but those would go away once the item was transferred away 16:02 wizzyrea in nexpress, we have a 'gentlepeople's agreement' to 'not muck with other people's stuff, talk to them first' 16:02 sekjal In the event of a Floating Collections dev, the home library would just update to the holding branch upon initial receipt 16:02 sekjal (sorry, thinking ahead) 16:02 wizzyrea but we're not independent branches 16:12 sekjal bug 3203 is fun 16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types 16:12 sekjal for example, did you know that only borrower title, firstname, surname, userid and password can be parsed into an Account Details email? 16:23 cait yes 16:23 cait the worst thing is, this list does not include the cardnumer 16:23 cait so if you don't use the userid it's worthless 16:24 cait sekjal: and the item due / predue digest notices don't do branches 16:27 sekjal Account Details is pretty easy to fix, thankfully 16:28 cait sekjal: I tested them all recently for our first multi branch library 16:28 cait they are using all notices you can send to a patron 17:42 lavamind hello 17:42 wahanui hola, lavamind 17:43 lavamind I need to make some cronjobs quiet 17:43 lavamind for example, I dont want to receive this message every day : etud01: No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296. 17:44 cait you should correct your configuration 17:44 cait this way the job is telling you it does nt work 17:44 magnus_away or filter out the messages in your mail client 17:45 lavamind they aren,t production instances, we use them to teach students 17:46 lavamind so until they get to setting that up, we *want* it to not work 17:46 cait comment out the conrjob 17:46 cait until you want it to run 17:46 lavamind yeah but that way it will never work 17:47 lavamind I have no clue when it will need to be run, I'm not the teacher :/ 17:48 lavamind magnus_away: I think that's what I'll do, I was wondering if there was any way to make cron jobs quiet 17:49 cait there is a reason it's complaining 17:49 lavamind maybe there should be an option in koha-foreach 17:50 lavamind cait: I know there's a reason, and it's fine that way, but sometimes you do want to ignore some complaints 17:50 cait I prefer fixing things ;) 17:50 lavamind cait: you assume it's broken for everyone, in my case it's not 17:51 cait i understand that 17:51 lavamind broken is what we want, for teaching purposes 17:51 cait but your case is very special 17:51 lavamind maybe, but it's still pretty legitimate don't you think :p 17:51 cait of course :) 17:52 lavamind I suppose i'll just filter the cron message in my mail client 17:55 lavamind awh crap, can't do that with an imap account in thunderbird 17:55 magnuse oh wow, i'm a month behind with some of my google reader categories and didn't see this before now: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/slice-and-dice-your-recipe-search.html 17:55 magnuse faceted search... 17:56 cait lavamind: perhaps using a different mail address would help? 17:59 fredericd lavamind: append to your cron entry: >/dev/null 18:00 cait hi fredericd 18:00 lavamind fredericd: tried that, doesn't work, seems like koha-foreach does its own redirections which arent overridable 18:02 fredericd lavamind: sorry, I responded too quickly. In fact, I don't know how koha-foreach works! 18:25 cait rangi++ 18:52 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/4812022/Black-Caps-shock-South-Africa-to-make-World-Cup-semifinals 18:52 rangi bam 18:58 bg wow 19:02 bg bit rough -- "confirming, it would seem, that their chokers tag is fairly fitting." 19:02 rangi heh 19:55 sekjal it's just an LDAP kind of day, it seems 20:39 schuster ooo sorry... 20:53 sekjal anyone know about a bug where holds pickup locations are messed up by updating the priority order? 20:57 wizzyrea what 20:57 wizzyrea whoa 20:57 wizzyrea but actually 20:57 wizzyrea this sounds familiar 20:57 wizzyrea sec 20:58 wizzyrea yeshttp://ticket.bywatersolutions.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804 20:58 huginn 04Bug 804: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Query form default submit action "or" instead of "submit" 20:58 wizzyrea sekjal 20:58 wizzyrea http://ticket.bywatersolutions.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804 (is what I meant) 20:58 huginn 04Bug 804: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Query form default submit action "or" instead of "submit" 20:58 wizzyrea shh huginn, that wasn't for you! 20:58 wizzyrea similar 20:59 sekjal bug 5805 20:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5805 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, RESOLVED FIXED, Changing Pickup library on already queued holds causes havoc on all holds below it 20:59 wizzyrea but you're still seeing this? 20:59 wizzyrea on master? 21:03 sekjal wizzyrea: it's being reported on a version that doesn't have the patch for 5805 21:03 wizzyrea Aha 21:03 sekjal so I'll do an update, and see if that fixes the issue 21:03 wizzyrea :D 21:04 sekjal love it when the bugs are already solved 21:04 wizzyrea me too me too 21:04 wizzyrea and this one... it makes me feel fuzzy to know that because of us that got fixed :) 21:06 wizzyrea hmm I just closed my window that had all of my tabs open 21:06 wizzyrea oops. 21:42 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "for wizzyrea: and you can have random results as needed" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/183 21:43 wizzyrea oooooo 21:43 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 21:48 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "wizzyrea: and grabbing the new book stuff is easy" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/184 22:49 bg @wunder 93109 22:49 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.3�C (3:49 PM PDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 22:50 bg @wunder wellington nz 22:50 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 26, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 22:50 bg ohhh rangi barely pulls out a win 23:10 gmcharlt @wunder 32605 23:10 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 25.1�C (7:10 PM EDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady). 23:12 sekjal Koha assumes that each branch will create it's own ACCTDETAILS notice (hence why <<branches.*>> tokens aren't parsed); shouldn't it, then, try to send from the Branch email, rather than KohaAdmin email?