Time Nick Message
00:06 rangi sekjal: does xslt in the staff client results work?
00:06 rangi i think i might be losing my mind
00:07 sekjal that may be the one that doesnt
00:07 rangi i know it does for detail
00:07 sekjal then it's the results that don't
00:07 rangi right ta
00:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 74 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #70 17 h ago)
00:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5883 : Prevent re-encoding the items if they are already in UTF-8 in ModBiblio. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cce98a2914c85ce1e1c5563b64a986c880024079>
00:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5939: "Save and edit items" button broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52ade1d437a1e6e7e0b3c6c022bfe75cb9f3b714> / Bug 5921: Add enumchron to the items detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b585b63ec7f0b243f7fa2bf0aa2f17b269ce2665>
01:10 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #74: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/74/
01:10 jenkins_koha Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5883 : Prevent re-encoding the items if they are already in UTF-8 in ModBiblio.
01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5883 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, UTF-8 characters in items (952) get encoded wrong when the record is modified.
01:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 75 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
01:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #75: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/75/
01:49 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5921: Add enumchron to the items detail page
01:49 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5939: "Save and edit items" button broken
01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5921 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Enumchron does not show up on item details screen in staff client
01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5939 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Save and edit items button no longer works
01:52 jcamins_away rangi: did you push my follow-up for 3098?
01:52 rangi nope, cos the bug is sitting at needs signoff
01:53 jcamins_away That's why the other one didn't apply.
01:53 jcamins_away I'll attach the signed-off patch to the bug.
01:53 rangi ah right
01:53 rangi its more the status :)
01:53 rangi but that would help too
01:54 jcamins_away Oh, Nicole attached it.
01:54 jcamins_away Right-o.
01:54 rangi yes, its only the status that is puzzling me
01:55 jcamins_away Sorry, I was confused.
01:55 jcamins_away Updated to signed-off.
01:55 rangi ta
01:56 jcamins_away I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to deal with those two patches, because functionally, bug 5919 shouldn't depend on 3098.
01:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, MARC21 fields 583 and 586 should display in OPAC Details
01:57 rangi right
01:57 rangi if you run into that again
01:57 jcamins_away However, I wasn't able to fix 5919 until I had done the clean up on bug 3098.
01:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, REOPENED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref
01:57 rangi use the blocks/depends on
01:57 rangi that way ill know what order to apply them in
01:57 jcamins_away Okay. Can do.
01:58 rangi cool thanks
02:05 rangi hi wizzyrea
02:11 jcamins_away I marked the dependency in bugzilla.
02:11 rangi thanks ill hopefully get them pushed tonight
02:11 jcamins_away :)
02:11 jcamins_away And I'll try to find someone to sign 5868 so you can get my last two pushed.
02:12 jcamins_away :)
02:12 rangi :)
02:12 * jcamins_away looks around for someone sufficiently geeky about MARC records to be concerned with the indexing of subject headings.
02:12 wizzyrea_ hey there
02:13 jcamins_away A victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hindividual concerned with the indexing of subject headings!
02:18 wizzyrea_ 100k a second... dirty wanks at ATT
02:18 wizzyrea_ if I were in korea I'd be done by now!
02:19 * wizzyrea_ moans some more about the abysmal standard of broadband in the US
02:19 jcamins_away wizzyrea_: feel free to test reporting tomorrow. :D
02:20 wizzyrea_ oh, I'm sorry, it's only 70k >.< even better
02:20 wizzyrea_ Woot!
02:20 wizzyrea_ I spent a good chunk of time this afternoon retooling reports to use parameters
02:20 wizzyrea_ we had/have a simply ludicrous list of saved reports
02:22 wizzyrea_ mostly because if people wanted to run a report with their branch code, they'd copy/paste the sql into a new report, save it, then not delete their copy
02:22 wizzyrea_ oieeee
02:22 wizzyrea_ anybody have a computer game they're totally loving right now?
02:23 rangi havent played a game in months
02:23 wizzyrea_ (besides rift or wow)
02:24 jcamins_away The closest I get is messing with Koha's XSLT stylesheets.
02:25 wizzyrea_ hmm. That might be kind of a sadistic game
02:25 space_librarian_home civ 4... oldie but a goodie.
02:25 * chilts_ wishes XML and XSLT had never been invented :)
02:26 wizzyrea_ oo yea civ is always good.
02:26 wizzyrea_ i'm contemplating starcraft
02:26 wizzyrea_ 2
02:26 space_librarian_home that's like... crack cocaine.
02:26 wizzyrea_ haha
02:27 wizzyrea_ well I used to play wow, so there you go :P
02:27 wizzyrea_ it's like comig off of heroin
02:27 space_librarian_home I don't have enough hours in the day for SC2
02:27 rangi chilts: ask papa about xslt :)
02:27 space_librarian_home And I was lucky, WoW never really caught me. Ice Wind Dale and Oblivion did...
02:27 space_librarian_home hehehe
02:27 wizzyrea_ hehe
02:28 wizzyrea_ i played wow a lot for a couple of years
02:28 papa and XML for that matter
02:28 wizzyrea_ then had a kid and played a lot lot lot less... took breaks for months
02:28 wizzyrea_ finished one char to 85 and this last expansion is boooooring
02:29 wizzyrea_ all I have to do is cook and fish, and if you're gonna do that you might as well not play :P
02:29 rangi motorola you dicks
02:29 space_librarian_home so I've heard. I always through Warcraft 2 was better than 3... so I didn't bother with the world at all.
02:29 rangi the upgrade for the milestone .. i have to do from a stupid windows machine
02:29 rangi who even has those things
02:29 rangi anymore
02:29 space_librarian_home And I love Rangi and Papa's conversation interweaving ours...
02:30 wizzyrea_ YES! Same here with my captivate!
02:30 wizzyrea_ I'm so annoyed!
02:30 space_librarian_home Want me to bring my windox box in for you, Rangi?
02:30 * wizzyrea_ wonders if you can do it in wine :P
02:30 space_librarian_home good question
02:31 chilts rangi: why, what does he say about it? I've used it in the paste, just don't wanna use it much again (ever)
02:31 rangi prolly end up bricking my phone
02:31 chilts s/paste/past/
02:31 rangi koha makes use of xslt, to render marcxml
02:31 chilts ah, papa is in this channel :) hello papa, long time no squeak :)
02:32 papa heh, what brings you here?
02:32 * chilts has lurked for a long time
02:32 papa tells a lot how busy you are :)
02:33 chilts heh
02:42 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60edb5f9c62439c93408527b2143c113b03af1ed;hp=ed5d8ccdfa9e9e89eee783be48f96ce7db71f6e8
02:42 rangi that doesnt look right to me
02:43 rangi or i might just need a nap
02:45 jcamins_away That's kind of weird.
02:45 mtj core subs() assume correct data
02:46 rangi hmm not so much that mtj
02:46 rangi more why replace spaces with
02:46 chilts rangi: I guess it's just changing the spaces into SQL wildcards
02:46 rangi %
02:46 rangi yeah
02:46 chilts it's a bit strange though
02:46 jcamins_away mtj: but why would you want to put a wildcard in between every word?
02:46 rangi you'd think you'd get really shitty results
02:46 chilts usually they'd only make sense at the start and end
02:46 rangi yeah
02:46 chilts (of the string)
02:46 rangi push @query_params, "%$title%";
02:46 chilts indeed :)
02:46 mtj ah, % != &
02:47 rangi i think ill skip that one
02:47 chilts maybe there was a query where he wanted to match in the middle of two words or something weird
02:47 rangi yeah, its not something id push, so ill skip rebasing it for now and talk to the biblibre ppl when they are awake
02:48 jcamins_away If the goal is to match all whitespace, the data should be cleaned on import.
02:48 jcamins_away IMHO.
02:48 mtj looks norty to me too
02:55 jcamins_away Good night (again), #koha.
02:56 rangi cya jcamins_away
03:15 space_librarian_home namaste kmale
03:15 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:16 kmkale Namaste space_librarian
03:16 space_librarian_home kmkale :)
03:16 space_librarian_home An exciting game of cricket tonight?
03:16 kmkale yes.
03:17 kmkale and the next too
03:17 space_librarian_home well... not sure about the next one.
03:17 kmkale either india pak or aus pak will be exiting
03:17 kmkale hi druthb :)
03:17 space_librarian_home but looking foreward to tonight...
03:17 BoysTown Hello. I've been advised to seek some advice as to how to change my current git install from 3.03.18 to 3.02.06. I have a kohaclone directory and have run git fetch --tags followed by git reset --hard v3.02.06. The console tells me I'm now on version 3.02.06 - is that all there is to it?
03:17 space_librarian_home I think India Pak would be a *very* interesting game.
03:18 druthb hi, kmkale! :)
03:18 kmkale i am not at all sure that would happen
03:18 * space_librarian_home agrees
03:18 space_librarian_home but I still give India more of a chance than Aus.
03:19 kmkale current form of our boys and the bowling :(
03:19 space_librarian_home really? Have you seen Pakistan before last night?
03:19 kmkale yes. the way the played australia?
03:19 space_librarian_home If they could do that, I'm sure your guys will put on something special
03:20 space_librarian_home yeah, they way they played in Aus...
03:21 rangi BoysTown: its not really safe to do that
03:22 rangi 3.3.x is master, 3.2.x is on its own branch, they have different database schemas
03:22 rangi (not hugely different, but different)
03:24 mtj BoysTown: your code-base has been rewinded, thats good
03:24 BoysTown hi rangi, thanks for the reply - is the answer to start from scratch?
03:24 mtj but your database has been updated to the unstable branch
03:25 AmitG hi all
03:25 mtj and cant easly be un-upgraded
03:25 AmitG heya mtj
03:25 AmitG heya chris
03:26 mtj BoysTown: load a 3.2 db backup, and then upgrade to 3.2.5
03:26 kmkale hi rangi
03:26 kmkale hi AmitG
03:26 kmkale hi mtj
03:27 mtj heya folks
03:27 AmitG heya kmkale: today india vs Aus
03:27 rangi so while your code is now running 3.2.6 your db is at 3.3.0-18
03:27 rangi mtj: thats assuming he has a 3.2 backup
03:27 rangi BoysTown: is this a production install?
03:27 rangi or one you are just testing with?
03:27 * rangi hopes the later
03:27 rangi latter even
03:27 kmkale AmitG: yup
03:28 rangi if its just a test one, and you dont care about the data, i would drop the db, recreate it, and then the webinsstaller will kick in
03:28 rangi and once you step through that, you will be running 3.2.6
03:28 BoysTown hi rangi it is a new install - we were trying to do it quickly so used a virtual appliance - the advice we since received suggests that we should only use the stable version
03:29 rangi well for production yes, i recommend people use the stable version
03:29 BoysTown ok rangi that sounds like good advice - the db is unpopulated
03:29 rangi right, drop the db, and recreate it
03:29 mtj indeed, the unstable branch is… sometimes unstable :)
03:29 BoysTown brilliant - i appreciate your advice
03:30 rangi no worries
03:30 mtj BoysTown: drop and recreate db
03:30 rangi hmm do i or mtj lag?
03:31 BoysTown ok will do thanks mjt and rangi
03:31 mtj … with your code-base set to tag 'v3.02.06'
03:31 BoysTown i saw rangi's advice then mtj's in that order - both helpful thanks
03:32 BoysTown as far as i know the codebase is set to tag 3.02.03 but i'm a novice with git
03:32 mtj then Koha with create a blank 3.2.6 db for you :)
03:32 rangi 06 or 03?
03:32 wahanui 7
03:32 rangi heh
03:32 rangi thanks wahanui
03:32 BoysTown beaut thanks
03:32 rangi BoysTown: type git log
03:33 mtj bump it to 5 or 6
03:33 rangi whats the latest commit
03:35 BoysTown says updating version number to 3.02.06.000 plus a bunch of commit strings
03:35 mtj cool, thats good :)
03:36 BoysTown ok thanks - I'll snapshot it and drop the db
03:44 kmkale can someone please tell me what the -f and -t values for /build_browser_and_cloud.pl for MARC21 are ?
03:46 rangi if you run it with -h
03:46 rangi it will tell you
03:47 kmkale did it shows 676 and 606 in the example like /build_browser_and_cloud.pl -b -f 676a -t 606 -c
03:47 rangi yes did you run it with -h
03:48 pastebot0 "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "./misc/cronjobs/build_browser_" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/177
03:48 kmkale yes
03:48 rangi well it tells you
03:48 rangi -b to run in batch mode, without any output
03:48 rangi -f TTTs to define the MARC tag/subfield to use for building nav (676a in UNIMARC for d etc
03:49 kmkale just correct me if I am wring. for marc21 -f 082a and -t 654
03:49 kmkale s/wring/wrong
03:49 rangi are u running unimarc?
03:50 kmkale no marc21
03:51 rangi im not sure this works with marc21
03:52 kmkale ahh.
03:52 kmkale would be cool if it did. :)
03:52 rangi i could be wrong though
03:53 rangi lemme check the sysprefs
03:54 rangi does it create any useful stuff when you run it with 082a and 654 ?
03:58 * rangi heads for home
03:59 * sekjal heads for bed
03:59 kmkale_ aww sorry my net dropped off mid conversation
05:12 sijobl 0/join
06:48 AmitG hi
06:48 AmitG indradg
06:48 bg hi AmitG
06:49 * bg = brendan :)
06:49 indradg hey AmitG :)
06:49 bg AmitG - congrats!!! on the wedding
06:50 AmitG thanx
06:50 AmitG brendan
06:56 cait morning #koha
06:57 bg morning cait
06:59 AmitG heya cait
07:04 cait hi bg and AmitG
07:07 rangi heya cait AmitG and bg
07:07 bg heya rangi :)
07:08 cait hi rangi
07:12 cait bbl
07:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5919: Display MARC21 fields 583, 586, 530 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1deadb34c324df9b307c0cb35284e6949dd8dcaa> / Bug 3098 follow-up: Clean up formatting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=009036b53722881f607ed01b5701bd300abd6735>
07:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 76 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:41 rangi wanna see something cool
07:41 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html#author_of_month
07:41 rangi 30 different people have committed code to koha this month
08:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #76: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/76/
08:09 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3098 follow-up: Clean up formatting
08:09 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5919: Display MARC21 fields 583, 586, 530
08:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, REOPENED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref
08:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, MARC21 fields 583 and 586 should display in OPAC Details
08:15 francharb hi all
08:17 magnuse hiya francharb
08:17 kmkale hiya magnuse
08:19 kf hi #koha
08:20 kmkale hi kf :)
08:20 kmkale magnuse: got a min?
08:20 magnuse kmkale: yup!
08:29 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
08:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (9:20 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Snow Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
08:30 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0�C (9:00 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
08:30 magnuse hm...
08:37 kmkale hi paul_p
08:37 paul_p hi kmkale
09:06 kf_mtg paul_p: flights to marseille booked :)
09:07 paul_p kf_mtg, wondeful !
09:11 veera hi
09:11 wahanui what's up, veera
09:11 veera how are you
09:11 veera wahanui
09:11 wahanui veera?
09:11 veera how can I add new syntax
09:11 veera which is not there in the list
09:12 veera z39 serach syntax
09:12 veera I trying to add british library syntax
09:12 veera but the existing syntax is not showing the British librayr one
09:13 veera wahanui
09:13 wahanui veera?
09:13 veera ya
09:13 kmkale veera: wahanui is a bot
09:13 wahanui i already had it that way, kmkale.
09:13 veera will u able to help me
09:13 veera how
09:14 veera kmkale will u able to help me
09:14 kmkale no veera never tried that
09:15 veera whaanui
09:15 veera r u there
09:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 77 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:15 kmkale veera: its a irc bot. not a person
09:15 veera ok ok
09:16 veera is any one can help me
09:16 veera ?
09:17 kf veera: you can add new z39.50 clients via administration > z39.50 targets
09:18 veera ya
09:18 veera but the syntax is not listed admin
09:18 veera I need to add syntax
09:18 kf what do you mean by syntax?
09:19 veera when I add new source there is one option
09:19 veera like USMARC like that
09:19 veera in tthat dropdown list
09:19 veera I need to add a new syntax
09:20 veera kf
09:20 veera can you help me
09:20 kf sorry, veera, I don't understand
09:20 veera can I explain my need?
09:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5944 : (MT #3000) new cronjob script to delete old suggestions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7190f48aad671485bcf8a535bf7e48f493d8c22> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5880' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=079b546a61fbe8db3bcbcab4a2b4de0bbf12838d> / Bug 5880: Correct misleading pod in new subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw
09:21 kf sorry veera, I have a meeting now
09:21 veera ok
09:21 kf you can also try to describe your problem on the mailing list
09:21 kf the more details the better
09:21 veera ok
09:22 veera hi higinn
09:22 veera huggin
09:22 veera ?
09:22 veera R u there
09:22 kf huginn is a bot too veera, not a person
09:22 huginn kf: I suck
09:22 kf like wahanui
09:22 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:22 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0�C (10:00 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
09:23 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
09:23 wahanui :)
09:43 AmitG heya kf
09:46 pastebot0 "magnuse" at 95.34.212.148 pasted "i get lots of errors when i try to install a new translation - any translation wizards have an idea why?" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/181
09:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #77: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/77/
09:54 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 5880: Correct misleading pod in new subroutine
09:54 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5944 : (MT #3000) new cronjob script to delete old suggestions
09:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5880 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4/Koha.pm : adding two functions GetAutorisedValueByCode and GetKohaImageurlFromAuthorisedValues
09:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5944 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Acquisitions: new cronjob script to delete old suggestions
10:18 magnuse kmkale: what's the state of Bug 5401? is it oleonard's patch that is the one that needs sign off?
10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5401 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, WYSWYG for Koha News
10:18 druthb o/
10:19 Gana hi all
10:20 magnuse \o
10:21 Gana can i delete my imported marc files in koha?
10:21 Gana can i delete my imported marc records in koha?
10:22 Gana i wanna to use empty catalog information start on koha ?
10:22 magnuse Gana: did you import them with the "Stage marc records" tool?
10:23 Gana yes
10:24 magnuse Gana: then you can "undo your import by clicking the 'Undo import into catalog' button", according to http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6009
10:26 Gana thanks.
10:28 Gana magnuse ! do you know about how can we import Alice patrons to Koha ?
10:29 magnuse Gana: sorry, i have no experience with Alice, but there is a general description of how to import patrons here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6141
10:30 Gana okay
10:32 Gana magnuse: Undo import into catalog is very slow working on my server. can i use any commands for mysql database of koha.
10:35 magnuse Gana: you will find some tips here, i think: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/How-to-delete-all-the-records-at-once-td3061199.html
10:39 Gana i see.
10:49 magnuse kia ora sekjal!
11:08 kmkale magnuse: sorry got stuck in a meeting
11:11 kmkale for that bug if either of the patches gets pushed, it will be a good addition imho..
11:12 magnuse ok, thanks
11:52 kf hi francharb
11:52 kf question: what can I do when a library deleted an on order item and record?
11:53 kf I have an empty line now on my receive screen for that title and in the order it's missing completely
11:53 kf someone a good idea about this?
12:02 jwagner kf, I take it that's another place where Koha doesn't check for links before allowing deletion?
12:03 kf jwagner: hm no
12:04 kf jwagner: it's a data problem really. deleting it is ok. but the order should keep the information.
12:04 jwagner That would be the only effective fix. Otherwise warning staff to check for links is about it, I think
12:04 kf you will always delete things - the acquisition should not loose the title. perhaps look for the title in deleted... if it does not find something in the normal tables
12:05 kf but what would staff do in this case? they don't want to delete fromt he order
12:06 jwagner Hmm. Copy at least the title into a field in the acq order table?
12:11 kf jwagner: not very clean
12:11 kf funny thing is
12:11 kf a lot of things look really good, like the basket
12:11 kf it shows a note that the title was deleted - which is nice
12:11 kf not perfect, but nice
12:11 kf :)
12:12 kf and receive shipment shows still the title
12:12 kf not sure how, but it does
12:12 jwagner magic :-)
12:12 kf when you click on the date there to get a list what was received on that date - that's empty
12:12 kf kind of :) or it checks the right tables, becasue thte information is still in the database
12:14 JesseM gmorning #Koha
12:18 kf hi JesseM
12:18 JesseM hi! kf
12:20 kf :)
12:54 schuster installed php on my play laptop and broke my koha install rrr.... back to the setup there! oh well learning curve again!
13:17 magnus_away a swedish library is testing public news items for the OPAC. In MS IE they don't show up, unless they change that language to english and then back to swedish. anyone seen something similar?
13:17 magnus_away s/that language/the language/
13:19 kf yep
13:19 kf same here
13:19 kf I have no idea why
13:21 magnuse a ha, so it's not just us then ;-)
13:21 magnuse is there a bug for it?
14:00 gmcharlt magnuse: bug and patch coming in a sec
14:02 magnuse gmcharlt: wow?!?
14:03 magnuse :-)
14:16 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "hack for the OPAC news problem" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/182
14:16 gmcharlt magnuse: could you try out that diff ^^ ?
14:18 magnuse will do!
14:21 gmcharlt also, are there sub-locales of Swedish that are in common use, or is it all sw-SW (or whatever the code actually is)
14:23 magnuse gmcharlt: Firefox lists sv-se and sv-fi (presumably the swedish spoken in finland)
14:23 gmcharlt magnuse: though so
14:24 gmcharlt one of the underlying issues is that FF and IE report the browser language slightly differently
14:26 magnuse gmcharlt: i applied your change, set FF to prefer sv-se and now i don't see the news at all, no matter how many times i change between the languages... see for yourself here: http://munkagard.bibkat.no/
14:27 gmcharlt magnuse: ah, I was afraid of that
14:27 gmcharlt as a workaround, what you can do in the database is add duplicate entries in opac_news
14:27 magnuse removed the change to opac/opac-main.pl and now the news displays again, when i choose swedish
14:28 gmcharlt i.e., three copies of each news item
14:28 magnuse 3?
14:28 gmcharlt setting lang to 'sv', 'sv-se', and 'sv-fi' respectively
14:28 magnuse ah
14:29 magnuse sv-fi is not really an issue here i think
14:30 magnuse the news tool only lets me choose en, sv-se though...
14:35 wizzyrea @later tell kf I have a question for you re: 3M when you have a minute
14:35 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
14:42 gmcharlt magnuse: yep, hence why the work-around may have to be done in the DB
14:42 gmcharlt to add 'sv' entries that are copies of the 'sv-se' entries
14:44 magnuse gmcharlt: i think one part of the problem is related to sv versus sv-se. if you have your browser set to prefer sv-se it works, bot not if you have it set to just sv. another part of the problem is related to Bug 2562 (if we could set sv-se as the default is would work for browsers that have just sv)
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, SYSPREFS: 'languages' and 'opaclanguages' sysprefs *dont* set default languages
14:45 kf wizzyrea: I am here now :)
14:48 magnuse gmcharlt: your quick fix had $news_lang =~ s/-.*$//; doesn't that turn sv-se into just se, which will not be found in the db? maybe it would work if we searched the db for 'sv%' as well?
14:48 wizzyrea kf: do you use special handling slips with your 3M self checks?
14:48 gmcharlt magnuse: it turns 'sv-se' into 'sv', but yes, that wouldn't be found in the database
14:48 kf wizzyrea: I think not
14:49 wizzyrea k good, I was hoping we were not reinventing the wheel by asking support for them to be added :)
14:49 gmcharlt changing it to search on 'sv%' would solve the immediate problem for you, but would still be a bit of a hack
14:49 kf all we have is checkout and checkin slips
14:49 kf wizzyrea: we still have the holds problem
14:50 wizzyrea which holds problem?
14:50 gmcharlt one thing I'm curious about is if there are cases where a Koha catalog that has both 'xx-AA' and 'xx-BB' installed
14:50 * wizzyrea has so many "holds problems" that she can't keep them straight
14:50 wizzyrea :)
14:50 kf reserved books checked in - status is not waiting
14:50 wizzyrea OH yes
14:50 wizzyrea what version are you on?
14:50 gmcharlt would mostly prefer to enter news as 'xx' that applies to both
14:50 kf people can get it from returns cart and checkout again
14:50 kf 3.2.2
14:50 wizzyrea we have a ticket in for that I think
14:50 gmcharlt or if they'd expect it to not default that way
14:51 wizzyrea and we're willing to put money towards it
14:51 wizzyrea it's still a problem in 3.3
14:51 wizzyrea sec, i'm gonna pm you something
14:51 magnuse gmcharlt: yeah, guess sv% would be a hack. looks to me like being able to set a default language for the opac could be a better solution
14:51 gmcharlt probably the rule should be something like (1) show news that is tagged with the specifically localization (2) also show news that is tagged with the general language and (3) enhance the OPAC news tool slightly so that you can specify either a general or specific localization
14:52 gmcharlt setting a default OPAC language would also be useful, but wouldn't be sufficient
14:53 magnuse gmcharlt: that would work too, i guess
14:57 magnuse yeah, the main point is that browsers set to sv and sv-se should all see the same news.
15:00 magnuse but on a related note, browsers set to nb-no should not see the opac as nb-no when that is not even activated for that opac, as described in bug 2562 - they should see some default language set by the library, i think...
15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, SYSPREFS: 'languages' and 'opaclanguages' sysprefs *dont* set default languages
15:00 magnuse oh well, gotta run!
15:01 druthb fun_with_css--
15:01 wizzyrea O.O
15:02 druthb http://l1.load.bywatersolutions.com
15:02 wizzyrea I like those colors though
15:02 druthb It has a certain gravitas that I like, and I think it'll be nice for a medical research library.
15:03 * wizzyrea just had a radical thought... brb
15:03 druthb The shadings and such on hitlist and detail pages are a little dark for my taste, but They Are The The Ones Paying...
15:04 wizzyrea mmm yea if it's only 2 shades lighter than the text behind it...
15:04 druthb When they see it, they may wanna lighten up a couple of notches.
15:05 wizzyrea I er, never liked it that relevant text was grey on white
15:14 rhcl ah, and educated poster! I'm quite fond of saying a popular US political figure lacks gravitas and has questionable veritas for president
15:21 druthb gravitas, like hard liquor, is best in small quantities. Too much of it can wipe you out at an early age.
17:57 rangi morning
17:57 druthb hi, rangi.
17:58 magnuse ata marie, rangi
18:44 cait hi #koha
18:46 magnuse guten abend cait
18:47 cait hi magnus
18:47 magnuse someone told me Foxton was the very first library to actually use koha, can anyone confirm that?
18:48 rangi no
18:48 rangi who told you that?
18:48 rangi levin was
18:48 rangi foxton is of course part of HTL
18:48 rangi HLT even
18:48 rangi so would have been about the same time
18:48 wizzyrea oh that's interesting
18:48 wizzyrea when using parameters
18:49 wizzyrea you can't page through the results of a saved report
18:49 rangi but the first returns in the live system where done at levin
18:50 magnuse ok thanks rangi, i don't remember where i heard it... just want to get my details right when i'm pitching koha tomorrow morning
18:50 rangi first issue was too
18:50 rangi just say HLT
18:50 wizzyrea SELECT items.itype,items.dateaccessioned,items.itemcallnumber,items.barcode,biblio.title,biblio.copyrightdate FROM items LEFT JOIN biblioitems on (items.biblioitemnumber=biblioitems.biblioitemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio on (biblioitems.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) WHERE items.itype=<<Item type to find|itemtypes>> and items.homebranch=<<Enter Branch|branches>> ORDER BY items.dateaccessioned asc
18:50 rangi :)
18:51 wizzyrea can anyone get that to page the results correctly?
18:51 rangi its one library system, foxton is a branch, levin is a branch
18:51 rangi shannon and tokomaru are the other 2
18:51 rangi but the first book to be issued in the live koha was at the levin branch
18:51 rangi it was done by Leonard
18:51 * rangi is looking at the statistics table now
18:51 mtj morning all
18:51 wizzyrea hehe
18:51 wizzyrea hey mtf
18:51 magnuse hehe, and what time was it?
18:52 wizzyrea mtj*
18:52 magnuse kia ora mtj!
18:52 rangi 9:10:10
18:52 cait wizzyrea: there is also a bug with group by killing the paging
18:52 wizzyrea hmm
18:53 mtj wizzyrea: mtf? wtf! :)
18:53 cait bug 3315
18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Aggregate SQL clauses break pagination in guided reports
18:54 rangi theres no group by in that sql tho cait?
18:54 magnuse thanks rangi! ;-) (i was thinking of maybe sneaking this in: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5205479118/ and it would have been perfect if foxton was *the* first... but i'll make it fit somehow)
18:54 rangi magnuse: cant tell you the book, its been deleted
18:55 rangi :)
18:55 magnuse rangi: oh no, that's too bad! ;-)
18:55 rangi it was probably the 2nd
18:55 wizzyrea no, what it does is when you click next page
18:55 rangi its the 2nd biggest of the branches
18:55 wizzyrea it wants to run the report again
18:55 rangi magnuse: 4459026 issues
18:56 rangi 5120503 returns
18:56 rangi 367517 renewals
18:56 rangi as of right now :)
18:56 cait rangi: you are right
18:57 cait but perhaps there are more things breaking it?
18:57 * rangi is the king of useless stats
18:57 rangi wizzyrea: i think it always runs the report again
18:57 rangi with a different limit clause, i dont think it loads the whole report into js and pages over it that way
18:58 rangi that would kill most browsers
18:58 wizzyrea true
18:58 magnuse useless_stats++
18:58 wizzyrea but in this case, it doesn't bring back the 2nd page
18:58 wizzyrea it puts you back at the 1st page
18:58 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/VFM4Cx0VtHpU
18:58 rangi right, so the limit is not right
18:58 * rangi has to catch bus will look when im at my desk
18:59 wizzyrea thx... I"m going to go ahead and file a bug
19:02 * magnuse tries not to think about why HLT has 661477 more returns than issues...
19:03 rangi just made it
19:03 wizzyrea no need to file a bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5793
19:03 huginn 04Bug 5793: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, parameters in guided reports are lost when changing result page
19:03 wizzyrea not the description I would have used, but eh
19:03 rangi bus coming round corner as I walked out the door
19:03 wizzyrea at least the dupe finder found it
19:03 rangi magnuse: transfers
19:03 wizzyrea I love the dupe finder
19:04 magnuse dupe_finder++
19:04 rangi you end a transfer by doing a return
19:04 wizzyrea dupe_finder++
19:04 rangi thus more returns
19:04 magnuse rangi: ah thanks, i'll sleep easy tonight now... ;-)
19:12 * wizzyrea idly wonders if a return that does nothing but a transfer should be classified as such
19:13 wizzyrea but sometimes it does both, so would it mark it'self twice, once for return, and once for transfer?
19:13 cait would be nice for statistics
19:13 cait hm. right
19:13 wizzyrea itself with no ' of course
19:13 wizzyrea stupid fingers.
19:20 rangi they could also be just returns for the sake of it
19:20 rangi often when librarians clean up
19:20 rangi they run all the books left lying through returns
19:20 rangi catches holds etc
19:22 rangi if theres a mad scheme
19:22 rangi a library somewhere will be doing it
19:22 rangi except madder
19:22 rangi I may get that on my tombstone
19:29 magnuse hehe
19:29 cait world would be boring without mad schemes :)
19:30 magnuse does a return on a not-for-loan item make it into the stats then?
19:30 wizzyrea mhm
19:31 wizzyrea well
19:31 wizzyrea there's a difference between a return that does something
19:31 wizzyrea and a return that doesn't
19:31 wizzyrea if it says "not checked out"
19:31 wizzyrea does it count that as a return?
19:31 wizzyrea this is really complicated, lol
19:33 magnuse it is!
19:33 magnuse and of course anything to do with libraries will be far removed from things like reason and common sense ;-)
19:33 wizzyrea hehehe
19:35 wizzyrea a return should probably note itself with a double field: return - transit, return - not checked out, return - checkin only
19:36 wizzyrea that's stupid. Just don't bother with return stats :P
19:36 wizzyrea there, problem solved
19:36 wizzyrea ^.^
19:36 magnuse yay!
19:36 rangi yeah, do people actually bother with return stats?
19:37 wizzyrea well I know we did, before we realized it was counting every time they scanned something
19:37 wizzyrea but I think we only count issues now
19:38 rangi i just like to see them to know how busy the system is
19:38 rangi but it isnt really useful for much else
19:39 rangi (its not everytime the scan someting btw, its everytime they go to check in and check something in :))
19:39 rangi at least thats what the statiscts table counts
19:39 wizzyrea so it doesn't count a return if it says "not checked out?"
19:39 rangi it didnt used to
19:40 wizzyrea (that's what I mean by "every time they scan an item") cool, that's really good to know.
19:40 rangi it may well do now
19:40 rangi because there was a bug when it wasnt checking for holds if it wasnt out
19:40 rangi in fixing that, it might now count the return
19:40 rangi 2 secs ill find out for you
19:41 magnuse nope, not even the crazy stats collected from norwegian libraries count returns, only issues
19:41 rangi yeah i cant imagine it would be a useful stat from a librarians point of view
19:41 rangi but like i say .. mad .. except madder :-)
19:41 magnuse :~)
19:42 magnuse ooh, "make test" is taking like forever now...
19:42 rangi good :
19:42 rangi )
19:43 rangi wizzyrea: nope it will updatestats if its not on loan
19:43 rangi wizzyrea: it would be a really really easy patch
19:43 wizzyrea that's also a good thing to know
19:44 rangi look at C4/Circulation.pm line 1583
19:44 rangi then at line 1473
19:45 rangi see how we set the $doreturn=0;
19:45 rangi if we did an updatestats call in that if, and set it to returnednotout
19:46 rangi then did
19:46 rangi if ($doreturn) {
19:46 rangi updatestats 'return'
19:46 rangi down at the bottom of that sub
19:46 rangi we would only log stats for those returned, and we would get stats for those returned that werent out
19:47 rangi now, if you feel so moved, its over to you :)
19:47 wizzyrea :) I might feel moved. I strongly feel it should not count returns that say "not checked out"
19:50 rangi yep, while you are in that sub you can see if there are other things it should count separately (or as well) too
19:51 magnuse go wizzyrea go!
19:52 wizzyrea separately, have any of you looked at the gnome3 beta?
19:52 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Makeuseof/~3/WI0UySeZRxg/
19:55 rangi not me
19:55 wizzyrea I didn't expect that you would have :)
19:55 rangi :)
19:55 * wizzyrea is a pleb... I like my puter to be purty.
19:56 wizzyrea another aside: i love the word pleb.
19:56 rangi i like mine to be fast
19:56 wizzyrea purty + fast enough is fine by me
19:58 rangi ull change .... they all do
19:58 rangi :)
19:58 rangi building packages will make you want a faster machine
19:58 wizzyrea :)
19:59 magnuse rangi: is there a distro you can recommend?
19:59 rangi for a desktop? server? netbook?
20:01 mtj gnome3 looks nicer, thats good - i just hope its not slow/bloaty
20:02 magnuse rangi: i was thinking desktop or laptop
20:02 * ibeardslee has been playing with Ubuntu Natty .. not sure that I like that unity interface
20:02 rangi debian squeeze or sid
20:02 rangi and xmonad (or bluetile) as a window manager
20:02 magnuse ah, might have thought as much... ;-)
20:03 * ibeardslee would suggest ubuntu
20:03 wizzyrea i have ubuntu 10 on my macbook: it runs quite well now that I've worked through the initial annoyances
20:03 wizzyrea I hardly even notice that it's linux... which is a first: usually I"m keenly aware
20:03 rangi the reason i say debian, is all the koha dependencies are packaged, and under debian security team watch
20:04 rangi whereas in ubuntu, they are out in the unsupported universe (or a lot of them are)
20:05 rangi which is ok, as long as you remember to keep an eye on the debian security list yourself
20:05 ibeardslee and that'd be a very good reason to run debian on the server
20:06 ibeardslee and it makes some sense to to run the same thing on the workstation
20:06 rangi yup, and i try to run the same so i can test on my desktop, but if you run your test/dev machine as a vm then yeah ubuntu would be fine
20:06 rangi but yeah, a .deb based distro of some sort :-)
20:06 rangi having said that
20:06 rangi i run meego on my netbook
20:06 rangi and like it a lot
20:07 rangi but its just a webbrowser and an xterm anyway ;)
20:07 * ibeardslee has ubuntu on his netbook
20:07 rangi i used to
20:07 rangi but yeah, i didnt like unity either :)
20:07 rangi ubuntu netbook remix
20:07 rangi thats what i was running
20:09 ibeardslee same
20:10 rangi http://www.halfarsedagilemanifesto.org/
20:10 ibeardslee I do wonder if the not liking unity is just getting old and not liking change
20:10 rangi could be
20:10 rangi its probably why i like xmonad
20:11 wizzyrea I like it >.>
20:13 rangi LBA: gotta watch out for the bcc's thats why reply all to beatrice didnt work, she had bcced the list
20:14 rangi (which is a really odd thing to do)
20:14 rangi But
20:14 rangi http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/51008167383019520
20:14 wizzyrea I have a feeling you'll be pulling that tweet out a lot lol
20:14 magnuse re-tweeted!
20:14 rangi i will :)
20:16 magnuse huh, my newest dev install has some weirdness, e.g. no images for item types... would that be an error during the make/make install phase?
20:16 rangi seems unlikely, do the images exist?
20:16 mtj "friends don't let librarians spec bib formats"
20:17 mtj thats my one...
20:18 mtj i wonder who did create the MARC format?
20:18 rangi @quote get 121
20:18 huginn rangi: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011)
20:19 mtj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Avram
20:19 wizzyrea hi jo :)
20:19 cait hi jo :)
20:19 rangi heya jransom
20:19 wahanui somebody said jransom was so pleased!
20:20 magnuse kia ora jransom!
20:21 jransom hi everyone
20:21 mtj aaaw, i take that back - Henriette sounds like a nice lady
20:26 magnuse ok, that problem with the images was indicative of some shortcoming in my normarc work - it still has a ways to go...
20:29 jransom ranginui: can you text si and tell him I am on irc now please (no cellphone today)
20:29 rangi hmm i hope i have his new number
20:30 rangi sijobl: jransom is on irc now! :)
20:30 jransom I thight be logged in but not here really
20:30 jransom i have his new number
20:31 rangi message it to me cos i dont :)
20:31 jransom nope - i don't. its in my phone ....
20:31 jransom i'll phone him at home
20:48 cait rangi++
20:49 rangi ?
20:49 cait acq branch this time :)
20:49 cait but there are a lot of reasons of course
20:49 rangi ah right
20:51 * cait is making a lit of things she wants to do before april 1st
20:52 cait s/lit/list
20:52 rangi excellent :)
20:53 cait yeah, only that the list is too long :)
20:54 cait we can sign-off on things after april 1st, right? but everything has to be submitted until then?
20:57 rangi thats right
20:57 rangi you have until the 8th to sign stuff off
20:57 rangi (new features stuff)
20:58 rangi but no more new features submitted after the 1st
20:58 cait ok
21:05 cait wizzyrea: still around?
21:06 wizzyrea yesm
21:06 cait what do you think about showing the codes in the cataoging screen?
21:06 wizzyrea which codes (sorry to be dense)
21:06 cait talking about the pull downs in the items thing
21:06 cait no, my fault
21:07 cait I had a librarian complain about it
21:07 cait I think ti shows the codes for some of the authorized values now before the descripption in the pull down list
21:07 wizzyrea you mean the thing where it shows the first authorized value? yes
21:07 wizzyrea it's annoying
21:07 cait ok
21:07 wizzyrea it should be empty unless it's set to something
21:07 cait so you don't like it
21:07 cait ?
21:07 cait hm, no, talking about smething different
21:07 rangi you are talking abour different things
21:08 cait yep
21:08 wizzyrea oh
21:08 rangi yeah what she said ;)
21:08 cait sorry, was looking at some mails from my libraries, figuring out what I can do for them :)
21:08 cait it shows the authorized value codes now in the add items scree
21:08 cait n
21:08 * wizzyrea is confused >.< (no surprise though)
21:08 wizzyrea right
21:08 cait and the question I had was if you like it :)
21:08 rangi the code and the description right cait?
21:08 cait yes
21:09 cait because my library didn't
21:09 cait and it's not showing for all fields
21:09 cait and I have no koha I can access on this laptop #fail
21:09 * wizzyrea is looking at add items
21:09 wizzyrea un mo
21:12 * druthb would install a couple of Koha servers for you on your lappy, cait, but you'll have to bring it here to me.
21:12 * druthb tempts you with monuments, good food, and all the Kohas on your lappy that it'll handle.
21:13 wizzyrea I don't know if this is just the way our authorized values are set up or I'm just dense (more likely) I don't see what you're referring to cait... sorry
21:14 rangi cait: visit in june, then we can hang out too
21:14 rangi :)
21:14 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/lmGT4xcDMzK is what I'm looking at
21:14 cait druthb: it is tempting... :)
21:14 wizzyrea is that not the right place?
21:15 cait rangi: that's not fair! :)
21:15 cait below
21:15 cait the pull downs
21:15 wizzyrea so this http://screencast.com/t/vcDT1pNl8
21:15 cait wizzyrea: you are great :)
21:16 cait wizzyrea++
21:16 cait does it show codes for you for collection, shelving location or itemtype?
21:16 wizzyrea oh, codes vs description?
21:16 wizzyrea now I get it I think >.<
21:16 wizzyrea lol
21:17 cait rangi: you will be in washington in june?
21:17 wizzyrea descriptions, I believe we like it that way
21:17 cait only descriptions without codes? or with codes?
21:17 wizzyrea without codes
21:17 cait ok
21:17 wizzyrea sorry, I know that was painful
21:17 wizzyrea lol
21:17 cait do you see the codes in your installation? or is it our 3.2.2?
21:17 rangi new orleans, with druthb and nengard and bg and sekjal and natec and and
21:17 wizzyrea there are no codes in my install, only descriptions
21:17 cait hmpf
21:18 wizzyrea you could put the code in the description if you wanted to see both >.>
21:18 cait I will have to check where that comes from tomorrow - sorry :(
21:18 cait no, we don't want to see them, they showed up after our upgrade
21:18 cait thought it was a new feature
21:18 wizzyrea oof
21:18 wizzyrea hrm
21:18 rhcl is there a conference in NOLA?
21:18 cait it shows CODE description
21:18 cait rangi: which conference is that?
21:19 wizzyrea and it's not like that in the authorized value description?
21:19 wizzyrea (surely not if it just appeared one day)
21:19 wizzyrea suppose we could look at one of the 3.2 demos
21:19 cait I am getting the other laptop ready
21:21 cait werid
21:21 cait weird
21:21 rangi ALA
21:21 cait wizzyrea: sorry for stealing your time - it's not there
21:21 rangi ALA annual
21:22 wizzyrea I don't mind at all cait
21:22 cait either it's a problem with our installation or a 3.2.2 thing
21:22 wizzyrea I've done the same many times :)
21:22 cait will check tomorow
21:22 rangi apparently it is
21:22 rangi THE WORLD'S LARGEST & MOST DYNAMIC LIBRARY CONFERENCE & EXHIBITION
21:22 rangi http://www.alaannual.org/
21:22 wizzyrea "look at this annoying thing! .... o crap it's just me"
21:22 wizzyrea but how else would you know?
21:22 cait hehe
21:22 wizzyrea :)
21:22 schuster ALA Annual is in New Orleans this June.
21:23 rangi im going to try and stand as still as possible
21:23 cait do you have a presentation? or only going for the mad schemes? :)
21:23 rangi to make them liars
21:23 cait lol
21:23 schuster Watch out the librarians will just run you over... Especially in the exhibits stand aside...
21:23 jransom rangi: are you going to do a presntation?
21:23 rangi get out my way, wheres my free stuff
21:23 rangi nope jransom
21:23 * wizzyrea is still scheming to go to ala, if only to bring rangi beer (since you can't [aside, worst law ever] ship beer out of kansas)
21:24 schuster rangi pretty much.
21:24 schuster I'm still hopeful that I will get to buy him a beer... ;)
21:24 rangi but we will doing lots of hacking in the evenigns
21:24 schuster I'll be there!
21:24 rhcl Oh yea, I was supposed to apply for some grant money for that
21:25 cait rangi: you go there for hacking?
21:25 cait temptation reaches a critical value...
21:25 rhcl Ah Ha! found the paperwork. Amazing
21:26 rhcl rangi: are you going to be at the preconference on 24 June?
21:26 rangi yep thats the plan for the evenings, bywater are having me come over ill be helping them in the exhibition hall during the day, and we will be coding during hte evenings
21:26 rangi i think so, ill defer to bg on that, i think so tho
21:27 rangi i think gmcharlt was thinking to do something in one of the LITA sessions?
21:27 wizzyrea oh no, if cait comes...
21:27 gmcharlt rangi: yes, if available
21:27 wizzyrea i might have to go >.<
21:27 rangi 23-29
21:28 rangi arriving in NOLA on the 23rd
21:28 cait wizzyrea: ?
21:28 wizzyrea if you come to the US in june, I might have to meet you in NOLA
21:28 wizzyrea :)
21:29 * wizzyrea has never been to ALA
21:29 * rangi either
21:29 rangi :)
21:30 wizzyrea well but I don't have a 14000km excuse :P
21:30 wizzyrea maybe not that far... dangit now I have to look it up
21:30 cait hehe
21:30 rangi there is a gaming pavilion???
21:30 cait was going to ask you if you did look it up
21:31 wizzyrea 12535
21:31 wizzyrea km
21:31 rangi close
21:31 schuster I'm on a couple of ALA Committees so need to go otherwise generally couldn't afford it. I'll be there the 24th through the 27th. Would love to know if it is an open hack fest!
21:31 rhcl is Equinox doing this talk: Open Source Integrated Library Systems in Consortia
21:31 rhcl http://alaannual.org/content/digital-information-and-technologies
21:32 wizzyrea 12741 to very near here
21:32 schuster That is a panel discussion of open source users - SCLS is on it I believe and bibliomation? and the Colorado group I think. Valerie Horton is putting that together.
21:32 rangi schuster: have a chat with brendan and nat
21:32 rangi nate even
21:33 schuster I don't want to intrude when they are paying!! Thanks
21:33 schuster rhcl - it is open source agnostic I believe
21:33 cait hm, about 740 euro
21:34 cait and only 15 hours :P
21:34 cait nothing after nz
21:34 schuster ok end of day see you tomorrow!
21:34 rangi cya schuster
21:37 gmcharlt rhcl: confirmed, ESI isn't participating on that panel
21:37 rangi bshum is bibliomation eh?
21:38 gmcharlt yes
21:38 rangi he's good people
21:38 gmcharlt he is
21:44 cait getting late here - good night all :)
21:44 rangi night cait
21:51 rangi hiya ebegin
21:51 ebegin Hi all!
21:52 ebegin Any librarians around ? :)
22:41 magnuse when IndependantBranches is set to "_Prevent_ staff (but not superlibrarians) from modifying objects...", should non-superlibrarian librarians even get to see patrons from other branches than their own?
22:59 mtj super prolly should see all branches
23:03 mtj my 2 cents...
23:30 brendan_ @wunder 93109
23:30 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.0�C (4:30 PM PDT on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling).
23:48 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
23:48 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 5.5�C (7:46 PM EDT on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising).
23:48 * jcamins_away votes that he be relocated to Santa Barbara. :D
23:56 brendan_ heh