Time  Nick         Message
23:19 huginn       bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2�C (4:26 PM PDT on March 13, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).
23:18 bg           @wunder 93109
22:12 cait         seems jcamins had problems too
22:12 eythian      oh ah
22:12 eythian      sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full *libraryname*
22:12 cait         eythian: tried to use them too, but got stuck - I think it was an apache problem
22:11 eythian      jcamins_away: with the packages?
22:11 jcamins_away Okay, I got in, I just can't figure out how to reindex.
22:07 cait         good night jcamins_away
22:07 cait         ended up using git too but still would like to know where the problem was
22:07 cait         hehe
22:07 jcamins      Good night, #koha
22:07 jcamins      And dinner.
22:07 jcamins      Okay, git it is.
22:07 cait         I had a lot of trouble today, not sure what you were referencing to :)
22:06 cait         oh
22:06 jcamins      His installed-from-packages system doesn't work.
22:06 jcamins      Not what caused it, but why there were problems.
22:06 cait         huh?
22:06 * jcamins    now understands why cait was having trouble.
22:02 cait         paul_p: still around?
21:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements
21:37 cait1        rangi: sorry, wondering, you said you are done with the cataloging branch, right? bug 5574?
21:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5861 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, items.stocknumber not saved correctly
21:36 cait1        bug 5861
21:35 cait1        oh wrong bug
21:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5561 normal, P5, ---, nengard, NEW, Help on summary field in authority type editor
21:35 cait1        bug 5561
21:26 cait1        t
20:58 cait         but all, but the most recently added... it's confusing
20:58 cait         hm, the items table above the add item screen shows my stocknumber and 5 items, but in the items table those fields are empty?
20:31 cait         don't understand it, it works in my dev installation here, but not at our production systems at work
20:31 cait         *sighs*
20:30 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
20:29 wahanui      I haven't seen 'on', paul_p
20:29 paul_p       ok, seen on the wiki ;-)
20:29 paul_p       rangi, where has this be written ?
20:28 rangi        excellent, we should be able to get everything signed off :)
20:28 rangi        fredericd was writing up a nice lifecycle of a bug page
20:28 paul_p       rangi, aprl 4-8 = 12 hackers outside from BibLibre have said they'll come. Means 20+ overall.
20:27 rangi        fredericd, cait and I had a good talk about bugs this weekend
20:27 paul_p       cait, yep, we made progress, but the easiest one : closing many bugs. The "pls signoff list" has been lowered only a little bit.
20:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5575 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, 3.4 BibLibre circ & members improvements
20:26 wahanui      i guess bug 5575 is circ.
20:26 cait         bug 5575
20:25 * rangi      hopes to finish 5575 this week
20:25 rangi        hi paul_p
20:22 cait         hope we made some progess? :)
20:21 * paul_p     writing "Hacker's corner week 11"...  very long to write, many things last week !
20:21 paul_p       hello #koha !
20:21 cait         hi paul_p
20:19 cait         hdl said it might include a fix to my problem with saving items.stocknumber
20:19 cait         ok
20:19 cait         ah no, it was this bug
20:18 rangi        im done with that
20:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements
20:18 rangi        bug 5574?
20:18 rangi        5574?
20:18 cait         give me a sec
20:18 cait         hm, thought I had looked at one for cataloging earlier
20:18 rangi        im not done with that
20:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5575 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, 3.4 BibLibre circ & members improvements
20:18 jcamins      Bug 5575 is circ.
20:18 * rangi      needs a bug number and i can tell you
20:17 wahanui      the other one is old and wrong tho, so not having it, isnt a bad thing
20:17 rangi        or the other one?
20:17 cait         I was searching for a fix I though might be in there
20:17 rangi        is that 5575?
20:17 cait         chris: are you done with the cataloging branch?
20:17 jcamins      Actually, I have not managed to upgrade to 2.0.45, never mind.
20:17 jcamins      Wait...
20:16 jcamins      IndexData did not fix the & entity parsing in 2.0.45.
20:16 cait         ok
20:15 rangi        and ask him to fix it
20:15 cait         is this a failed qa? or is there a good way I can get that file out of the patch for sign-off?
20:15 rangi        ahh, right fail qa that please
20:15 cait         I see that robin's patch includes a .gitignore file
20:15 cait         hm looking at 5072 now
20:12 rangi        and then they can go away
20:12 rangi        to always use the english ones, no matter what language we are installing
20:12 * jcamins    whistles and looks away.
20:12 rangi        what we need is someone to fix the installer
20:12 jcamins      rangi: yeah, that's how I've been doing it.
20:12 rangi        and it will tell you any missing ones
20:12 rangi        jcamins: run perl xt/syspref.t
20:12 jcamins      rangi: ah. That makes sense.
20:11 rangi        it is just confusing and double ups work
20:11 cait         hi rangi
20:11 cait         that's a good reason too
20:11 rangi        because we translate them with the .pref fiels
20:10 rangi        jcamins: because the .sql files for sysprefs need to go away
20:02 cait         I will send the patch signed-off but add comment to bug
20:02 cait         it also seems a bit cleaner to me
20:02 jcamins      We should get nengard's opinion.
20:02 jcamins      I think I like it too.
20:01 cait         i kind of like it - screenshots attached to bug now :)
20:01 cait         to make display more consistent
20:01 jcamins      cait++
20:00 jcamins      A screenshot would be nice. I'm not quite sure why it's needed.
19:58 cait         only not sure if this change of display is ok for everybody
19:58 cait         I have tested it and it works
19:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5848 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail
19:58 cait         what do you think about bug 5848
19:56 jcamins      Hm. Well, I'll ask rangi.
19:56 cait         some settings can only be translated there, like borrowertitle
19:55 cait         yes, we do. but the files are not the same all over still
19:55 cait         not sure :) or nobody had this idea before :)
19:55 jcamins      Don't we use pootle now?
19:55 jcamins      Ah.
19:54 cait         hm, not sure, but I think we don't have one because we used to translate them
19:52 jcamins      It would be easy to have a script which took the syspref name, type, and description, then did it for me.
19:51 jcamins      Well, in order to add a syspref, I am going to append the exact same line to a whole bunch of files.
19:51 cait         ?
19:49 jcamins      rangi: is there a reason we don't have an "add_syspref.pl" script for adding sysprefs to all the SQL files?
19:27 jcamins      4 years.
19:27 jcamins      Yup.
19:27 hdl          is MARC21 framework sql default out of date ?
19:25 jcamins      So it's just MARC21 that's way out of date? That's good.
19:24 hdl          should be... But we updated many things in our master branch
19:21 jcamins      hdl: are the UNIMARC default frameworks in Koha up to date?
19:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms
19:16 jcamins      Bug 4276.
19:15 hdl          what are you working on ?
19:15 hdl          :)
19:13 jcamins      Had you been around when I was trying to figure out how to change the behavior of Zebra's tokenizer, I'm sure you would have told me to use parentheses. :)
19:13 hdl          jcamins: ?
19:13 jcamins      hdl++
19:06 * jcamins    is fully cognizant that this might not be a good idea, but he needs them all.
19:03 * jcamins    starts a third VM.
18:53 jcamins      :D
18:53 huginn       jcamins: Name of part/section of a work  (Repeatable)
18:53 jcamins      @marc 630 p
18:53 cait         me neither - patch sent
18:52 jcamins      The root problem is a confusion between 630 and 650.
18:52 * jcamins    is no longer confused.
18:33 huginn       jcamins: unknown field/subfield combination (650/p)
18:33 jcamins      @marc 650 p
18:23 cait         me too
18:23 jcamins      I'm confused.
18:23 jcamins      It's just not displaying.
18:22 jcamins      The data is here.
18:22 jcamins      Wait a minute.
18:22 cait         this patch chris_n said does not apply cleanly to 3.2.x applies for me...
18:21 cait         hm
18:21 jcamins      However, this search -- seemingly completely by coincidence -- is returning only the results I would want anyway.
18:21 jcamins      My data does not contain a single example of the subject heading I'm searching for.
18:20 jcamins      Well, *that's* weird.
18:19 cait         :)
18:17 jcamins      Yay! I figured out how to force Zebra's tokenizer to do what I want.
18:09 jcamins      Alas, hdl isn't here anymore.
18:08 jcamins      It doesn't work. However, only in very limited circumstances.
18:08 jcamins      No, just kidding.
18:03 jcamins      Well, I spent a minute on it, anyway.
18:03 jcamins      I just spent all this time debugging something that apparently worked fine.
18:03 jcamins      Argh! This thing is messing with my mind.
17:49 cait         hi bg
17:49 bg           heya cait
17:38 * cait       puts a big bowl of cookies in the middle of #koha
17:38 cait         I changed some of the mysql settings... not it seems reasonable fast
17:37 cait         hm
17:21 cait         me neither
17:21 jcamins      I don't know why it would've started being slower. :(
17:21 cait         any idea how to make my koha faster?
17:14 jcamins      I know, this just requires some creativity.
17:14 * cait       gives you the cookie
17:14 cait         everything will be alright
17:14 jcamins      The best-laid plans of mice and men.
17:13 jcamins      Argh!
17:13 jcamins      No, this won't work.
17:13 * cait       offers jcamins a cookie for a comment
17:13 * jcamins    has added a prefix param to subfieldSelect.
17:13 cait         but my dev install at work is not that slow :(
17:12 cait         perhaps i will just have to live with that slowness
17:12 cait         and no change
17:12 cait         ?
17:11 * jcamins    considers adding a prefix param to subfieldSelect.
17:10 cait         checking out 3.2.x
17:10 cait         loading a page - no matter which - takes a few secons
17:09 cait         yeah, only mentioning it
17:09 jcamins      That's okay.
17:08 cait         about the new log
17:08 cait         there is an sql error in sysprefs:
17:08 cait         will try
17:07 jcamins      If you check out an older version, say, 3.2.2, will it be faster?
17:07 jcamins      Hm.
17:05 cait         it's slow too
17:05 cait         but no
17:05 jcamins      Yeah, but now it's fixed.
17:05 cait         and the koha on the other laptop is frustrating slow, had hoped for better results here
17:04 cait         frustrating
17:04 jcamins      That'll do it. :)
17:03 cait         typo...
17:03 jcamins      Oh? What is it?
17:01 cait         I think I found my mistake
16:44 cait         ingore me, talking to myself
16:44 magnuse      good luck, cait
16:40 jcamins      What's happened?
16:39 cait         *sighs* now I have made things worse
16:33 cait         will figure it out though
16:33 cait         not sure why
16:33 cait         having problems to access the database
16:33 jcamins      What's wrong?
16:33 jcamins      I've only identified my encoding problem, not actually fixed it. ;)
16:32 cait         so... can you come over now and solve my database problem? ;)
16:32 cait         woohoo
16:32 jcamins      (hard-coding the encoding)
16:31 jcamins      Woo-hoo! That worked!
16:28 jcamins      But it should say "UTF-8" "MARC8" "ISO5469" etc.
16:28 jcamins      No, there certainly isn't.
16:27 cait         I never touched the pull down and wondered why it's there
16:27 cait         I don't think there is a way to do a conversion from marc21 to unimarc
16:26 jcamins      I assumed the label was wrong, but now I thinking the choices are wrong.
16:26 cait         yes
16:26 jcamins      You have the option to choose "MARC21" or "UNIMARC" for "character encoding" when importing records.
16:26 cait         huh?
16:25 jcamins      Somewhere down the line, someone got confused and the "Character encoding" option in staging MARC records really *is* supposed to be the encoding.
16:24 * jcamins    stops and stares in shock.
16:23 cait         curses mysql authentication error
16:20 magnuse      yeah, libraries are meant to be sharing stuff, aren't they?
16:13 * jcamins    curses catalogs that won't let you download the MARC.
16:12 jcamins      That's very diplomatic of you. :)
16:11 cait         it looks a bit... ugly
16:07 jcamins      导演: 田壮壮
16:07 jcamins      Yikes! That looks even worse.
16:06 jcamins      Bingo! Cornell has it.
16:06 magnuse      ouch
16:06 jcamins      It looks a lot like this:$1!L$'8t'8t! 4(B
16:05 jcamins      It's... not nice.
16:05 jcamins      cait: yep.
16:04 cait         jcamins: is non-roman with marc-8 even possible?
16:04 magnuse      jcamins: bulkmarcimport.pl has an option -s "Skip automatic conversion of MARC-8 to UTF-8. This option is provided for debugging." but i havn't actually checked what it does... http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.html
16:02 * jcamins    doesn't know where to find a good MARC8 record with non-Roman scripts.
16:01 jcamins      Does it?
16:00 cait         hm, yes?
15:59 jcamins      Shouldn't Koha be able to convert records from MARC8 to UTF-8 on import?
15:57 magnuse      hiya cait
15:57 cait         hi magnuse
15:53 jcamins      Okay, I'm done testing now. It's safe to come out. :)
15:52 huginn       mib_pqg8o2: The operation succeeded.
15:52 mib_pqg8o2   @later tell jcamins This is the second message.
15:52 huginn       mib_pqg8o2: The operation succeeded.
15:52 mib_pqg8o2   @later tell jcamins This is the first message.
15:51 jcamins      I hope huggin can handle multiple messages from one person to one other person.
15:51 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:51 jcamins      @later tell gmcharlt I notice that you're the one who made the changes to Evergreen. If there's someone else I should be asking, let me know...
15:50 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:50 jcamins      @later tell gmcharlt Is there a reason why we could not convert Evergreen's marcedit-tooltips.xml into SQL suitable for use with Koha and include that? After a great deal of confusion on my part, I've come to the conclusion that Evergreen seems to have the "or later" clause in its GPL 2 license.
15:48 cait         the one where you are a clever guy thinking loud about a complicated topic
15:48 jcamins      What's D?
15:48 cait         hm, I am for D)
15:47 jcamins      A? Yeah, A definitely sounds nicest. :)
15:47 cait         which category do you see yourself in?
15:47 cait         hm that's not good
15:46 jcamins      If you did, it would probably mean you were either A) too sick to think straight, B) too tired to think straight, or C) incapable of thinking straight. ;)
15:46 jcamins      That's probably a good thing.
15:46 cait         can't follow
15:45 cait         ?
15:44 jcamins      Definitely. I can read.
15:44 jcamins      No, it does say "or (at your option) any later version."
15:42 jcamins      I don't know.
15:42 jcamins      Or maybe it is.
15:40 jcamins      Evergreen isn't.
15:40 jcamins      Ah, and this is the whole problem with the "or later" bit.
15:39 jcamins      Evergreen is up to Update 11.
15:34 cait         hm no idea
15:31 jcamins      Hm. I wonder how Evergreen does MARC21 support.
15:27 cait         hdl: enjoy your sunday :)
15:25 hdl          back to week end.
15:25 hdl          I think i answered too quick sorry
15:25 cait         ok
15:24 jcamins      cait: I went through the lists of changes.
15:23 hdl          which compares an iso2709 file with a given framework
15:23 hdl          there is a script for that iirc.
15:23 cait         how did you find out so fast?
15:22 jcamins      82 missing subfields, 16 missing fields.
15:21 jcamins      :)
15:21 jcamins      Is that sufficiently horrifying for you?
15:19 cait         i think the 7xx already had those, only added the 8xx
15:19 cait         I hope I got them all
15:18 jcamins      Never mind.
15:18 jcamins      No, you did.
15:17 jcamins      Not to 8xx, it looks like.
15:17 jcamins      Did you add $w to everything that allows $w?
15:16 cait         git clone...
15:14 cait         ok
15:14 cait         ah
15:11 jcamins      Because I keep on getting questions, and I can never remember if Koha has a given field or not.
15:11 jcamins      I'm not adding them right now. Just making the list.
15:10 cait         and need a working koha first...
15:10 cait         I want to help with that - but not sure how
15:10 jcamins      Okay, I'll add subfields.
15:09 cait         have a list perhaps about newly added fields in the release notes would be good
15:09 jcamins      Exactly.
15:09 cait         probably the only save way to do it
15:09 jcamins      Yeah.
15:09 cait         I was wondering if we add the missing fields and subfields - only for new installatons?
15:08 cait         unfair question :)
15:08 jcamins      Should I?
15:08 cait         are you going to add those?
15:08 cait         hm right
15:08 jcamins      I guess I could note subfields as well.
15:08 jcamins      Yeah, as I said, that bug was just for fields.
15:08 cait         I have added some, like the $w
15:07 cait         it misses the fields we got in too
15:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags
15:00 jcamins      Bug 5858
14:58 jcamins      Probably.
14:57 cait         is this about the time the files were created?
14:57 cait         yep
14:53 jcamins      Only up to 2006.
14:53 jcamins      Okay, looks like we're accurate at least up to 2006.
14:51 jcamins      Yes.
14:51 cait         we need a time machine... to have more time on all those things
14:49 jcamins      Alas, I have observed that.
14:49 cait         yeah, but nothing will happen from being sad :)
14:48 jcamins      Yes, but it's still sad.
14:47 cait         that was to be expected
14:47 jcamins      All the RDA tags.
14:47 jcamins      542, 545, 588, 751.
14:47 jcamins      Koha.
14:47 cait         koha or huginn?
14:39 jcamins      We're missing so many tags. :(
14:34 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 542
14:34 jcamins      @marc 542
14:34 jcamins      cait: yeah, those are two that are missing from Koha.
14:34 cait         jcamins: seems you pick the wrong fields :)
14:32 huginn       cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
14:32 cait         @marc 001
14:32 huginn       jcamins: (marc look up field or field/subfield combo in MARC docs) -- eg. @marc 245 or @marc 245 a
14:32 jcamins      @help marc
14:32 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 751
14:32 jcamins      @marc 751
14:31 huginn       jcamins: unknown tag 588
14:31 jcamins      @marc 588
14:18 cait         ok, giving up
14:18 cait         *sighs*
14:18 jcamins      Right.
14:10 cait         found more instructions :)
14:07 cait         and delay the packages for later, so I can work on some patches
14:07 cait         but I am about to give up and make a normal installation
14:07 cait         right?
14:07 cait         if something goes smoothly you don't learn much doing it
14:07 cait         it's ok
14:06 jcamins      :(
14:04 cait         I am still fighting with the packages
14:03 cait         hehe
14:02 jcamins      My cat is having a wonderful time playing with all the new toys my wife got him. Including the *very loud* jingly ball.
12:38 cait         but it's really slow
12:38 cait         hm found the web installer
12:30 cait         and robin is asleep of course
12:30 cait         grr
12:23 cait         he code relies on it to be Item DUE
12:23 cait         I even wrote a patch to make the field longer... only to find out it breaks everything
12:23 jcamins      I believe you. It's just very long. :)
12:22 cait         benachrichtigung is the message, fälligkeit means due
12:22 cait         e
12:22 cait         but it's the right nam
12:22 cait         yeah
12:22 cait         hehe
12:22 jcamins      "Fälligkeitsbenachrichtigung"
12:22 jcamins      Wow. That's quite a long word.
12:21 cait         your question only made me think about it
12:21 cait         no problem :)
12:21 cait         ok
12:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5646 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, translated message names on sql level break messaging
12:20 cait         bug 5646
12:20 * jcamins    hasn't either.
12:20 cait         i think the problem is that most people have not setup email on their dev installaitons
12:20 jcamins      Will I be able to tell if your fix works?
12:19 cait         I know how to repair that in our installations, but it should not remain like that
12:19 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot perhaps
12:19 jcamins      wahanui: forget perhaps
12:19 wahanui      perhaps is the version of koha
12:19 jcamins      Perhaps.
12:19 cait         at the moment if someone installs koha with german sample file the messaging will be broken :(
12:19 cait         would you perhaps be able to sign-off on a translation problem I have in this area?
12:18 cait         sometimes
12:18 jcamins      Sometimes.
12:17 jcamins      :)
12:17 jcamins      Well, relational is good.
12:17 cait         :)
12:17 cait         someone was really serious about the relastional database model there
12:17 cait         and transport
12:17 cait         look for borrower and message
12:16 cait         that's why I am working with the packages, trying to set one up again
12:16 cait         I have no working koha on this laptop - so can't look it up for you now :(
12:16 jcamins      :(
12:16 jcamins      !!
12:16 cait         it's at least 3 tables I think
12:16 cait         the table structure is a bit insane
12:16 cait         that's difficult
12:15 jcamins      Where are patron messaging preferences stored?
12:14 jcamins      I don't know about that.
12:13 jcamins      Oh.
12:12 cait         hmpf
12:12 cait         and finding out where the files are
12:12 cait         hm no the url
12:06 jcamins      The password is random.
12:04 cait         but I have problems getting access to it
12:04 cait         seems it ran
12:04 cait         hm
11:55 jcamins      Yay!
11:55 cait         seems I am making some progress here
11:50 jcamins      Well, kind of.
11:50 jcamins      Yes.
11:49 cait         did you get your subjects question solved?
11:49 cait         ah yes
11:49 jcamins      It seems to me that the configuration file should be included.
11:48 cait         hm?
11:48 jcamins      Hm. That doesn't make sense.
11:48 cait         it seems I am missing the mysql configuration file
11:48 cait         i am stuck
11:48 jcamins      Why?
11:48 jcamins      Not really, no.
11:47 cait         do you have experience with the koha-common packages?
11:47 cait         hi jcamins
11:44 jcamins      Good morning, #koha
09:35 cait         she left me a message with huginn
09:35 cait         I know :(
09:32 rangi        you just missed ruth
09:32 rangi        heh
09:31 cait         morning #koha
09:27 druthb       I'm gonna buzz off and take a snooze, maybe.  see ya soon.
09:26 huginn       druthb: The operation succeeded.
09:26 druthb       @later tell cait the one day you're not here early in the morning, and I'm here..  :P   See ya soon.
09:20 druthb       Charleston and Yemassee SC, then Savannah and Jessup GA, and then Jacksonville.  If we can keep this tempo, we'll get there about...11 AM, more or less, about 35 or so minutes off-sked.
09:18 rangi        yep, thats not too bad
09:17 druthb       This should be Kingstree SC, which would put us about 15 minutes off-sked.  Not bad, over a ten-hour run, so far.
09:10 * rangi      will investigate that more
09:09 rangi        just a compound key
09:07 rangi        hmm we dont have an index on the done column in zebraqueue?
08:53 liw          indeed :)
08:49 rangi        is there anything that joey does that isnt useful .. i think not :)
08:49 liw          hi everyone :)
08:49 liw          also, may be handy
08:49 liw          http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/moreutils/ has a tool called chronic that captures output and if there's an error, spews it out, which may be andy
08:48 druthb       :)
08:48 druthb       hi, liw!  )
08:48 druthb       s/maye/maybe/
08:48 druthb       There's always that trust gap for me, between "should be" and "is."  Unless I've eyeballed the code personally, I don't trust them to be equivalent.  Paranoid, a little, maye.
08:47 liw          unfortunately, when there's an error, you might want to see the stdout output as well
08:47 rangi        heya liw :)
08:47 rangi        what he said :)
08:46 liw          arguably any errors should be written to stderr and exit code should be non-zero; if this is true, then redirecting stdout to /dev/null is ok
08:46 rangi        you should have to turn on verbose
08:46 druthb       mhm.
08:45 rangi        quiet should be default for any cron job
08:45 rangi        yep
08:45 druthb       I'm somewhat leery of sending cron outputs to /dev/null explicitly--if it has troubles, I'd really like to know about it.
08:43 rangi        cool
08:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5857 enhancement, P5, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED, longoverdue.pl really needs a "quiet" mode.
08:42 druthb       I've got a little patch for Bug 5857, just gotta get Ian or Nicole to take a quick lookie at it.  Should be an easy one to sign off
08:39 druthb       what a cute story!
08:39 druthb       awwww!
08:38 rangi        and that is why i love nz
08:37 druthb       always.
08:37 rangi        http://www.police.govt.nz/news/updates/27452.html
08:36 rangi        want a giggle?
08:34 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:34 rangi        @later tell chris_n you will want to pull the latest commit for 5595
08:22 druthb       so far.  We should be somewhere in Georgia by now...
08:21 rangi        train still on time?
08:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #38: ABORTED in 4 mn 24 s: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/38/
08:11 jenkins_koha E-mail: chris@bigballofwax.co.nz
08:11 jenkins_koha Full name: Chris Cormack
08:11 jenkins_koha ranginui:
08:11 rangi        !jenkins userstat ranginui
08:11 jenkins_koha Starting build 38 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
08:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes
08:11 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5595 : Fixing a security glitch (please always use placeholders or
08:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #37: FIXED in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/37/
08:11 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
08:10 jenkins_koha Don't know a user named rangi
08:10 rangi        !jenkins userstat rangi
08:09 jenkins_koha - Koha_master: Le build #37 est déjà en cours  (fin prévue à: 2 mn 31 s)
08:09 jenkins_koha Build queue:
08:09 rangi        !jenkins q
08:08 jenkins_koha userstat <username> - prints information about a Hudson user
08:08 jenkins_koha testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
08:08 jenkins_koha s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha queue - show the state of the build queue
08:08 jenkins_koha q - show the state of the build queue
08:08 jenkins_koha jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
08:08 jenkins_koha comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
08:08 jenkins_koha build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
08:08 jenkins_koha botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
08:08 jenkins_koha alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
08:08 jenkins_koha abort <job> - specify which job to abort
08:08 jenkins_koha Available commands:
08:08 rangi        !jenkins help
08:04 jenkins_koha Koha_master(BUILDING: 26 mn and counting): last build: 36 (5 h 49 mn ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/36/
08:04 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x: last build: 4 (10 h ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/4/
08:04 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
08:04 rangi        !jenkins status
07:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 37 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #31 1 j 7 h ago)
07:38 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now
07:38 rangi        !jenkins build Koha_master now
07:38 rangi        hopefully that brings jenkins back to stable
07:32 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5595' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8c62e2fa1911689e38a0310ea1f619b75f545c0> / Bug 5595 : Fixing a security glitch (please always use placeholders or <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8215cc8bad33ff1dd327ac17fbfecd59e6f06989>
07:32 * druthb     nods.
07:31 rangi        i dont want the fix for 1.4.3 to break 1.4.4 since 1.4.4 is where we are trying to get to
07:31 rangi        i want someone to confirm it works with 1.4.4, since owen couldnt recreate the bug on 1.4.4
07:31 rangi        i updated the bug
07:30 kmkale       :)
07:30 druthb       sounds nice, kmkale!
07:29 kmkale       I am enjoying a rare quite sunday with my wife and son away on his first trek
07:29 druthb       hey, rangi:  now that it has signoff, any chance at getting that malformed-JSON patch pushed thru?
07:28 rangi        :)
07:28 druthb       A conductor just passed through, waking folks up for the stop that's about 20 minutes away, which puts us on the money for time.  With the Amtrak system's normally-dismal on-time rating, I'm feeling pretty lucky.  :)
07:26 rangi        heh, id imagine so
07:24 * druthb     is enjoying an overnight train ride to Florida.  I'm somewhere in South  Carolina now, I think...and it's dark as the inside of a pile of coal outside my window.
07:21 druthb       hi, rangi! :)
07:18 rangi        hi druthb
07:15 kmkale       rangi: my bad. where did that address come from I wonder. Thought I had deleted it from address book long ago :(
07:13 druthb       hi, kmkale! :)
07:13 kmkale       hi druthb
07:13 kmkale       hiya rangi
07:10 rangi        guess i better fix it
07:10 rangi        hmm i should not have pushed 5595
06:49 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
06:49 rangi        @later tell kmkale if you look at your post again, you should spot the problem right away (wrong address)
06:04 pastebot     "kmkale" at pasted "Problems with koha-devel list server?" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/172
06:01 kmkale       Namaskar #koha
02:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping the database version
02:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5810 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject tracings should search complete subfields
02:48 jenkins_koha * Jane Wagner: Bug 5810 revision to fix author search link
02:48 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5810: Subject tracings search complete subfields
02:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/36/
02:17 druthb       Good evening.
02:16 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping the database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e97b98a88c06bddc0bb3f32f2b90c1d9d812c84> / Bug 5810 revision to fix author search link <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f087137f9cc163cdfa14c428740207c02e75818a> / Bug 5810: Subject tracings search complete subfields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bc293c3aaffd93cf0
02:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 36 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #31 1 j 2 h ago)
02:15 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Adding release dates and 2 new developers
02:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/35/
01:49 rangi        hows the weeking going?
01:46 JM_          Hi rangi
01:45 rangi        hi JM_
01:41 jenkins_koha Starting build 35 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #31 1 j 2 h ago)
01:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types
01:41 jenkins_koha Salvador Zaragoza Rubio: Bug 3013 - Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types
01:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #34: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/34/
01:37 rangi        http://microblog.joshsternberg.com/post/3816083960/kyledaley-following-the-march-11-2011
01:23 rangi        http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
01:23 rangi        duh
01:23 rangi        ahh perldoc
01:23 rangi        can anyone remember the url of perldoc gmcharlt was making automatically?
01:12 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Adding release dates and 2 new developers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b2ccab56871749016bfffabc32fee44c58f7c78>
01:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 34 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #31 1 j 1 h ago)
01:01 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_3013' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=554c77569d5afe52912c085d0603b9d87a062d9b> / Merge remote branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_3013 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b06a289173d0f2e299b0c8652d59d47dc196062c> / Bug 3013 - Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types <http://git.koha-community.org/g
00:43 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
00:43 rangi        @later tell jcamins thanks
00:43 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
00:43 rangi        @later tell chris_n bug 5595 is causing the tests to fail for Members.pm