Time  Nick              Message
00:51 chrisc_stdc       hi everybody
00:52 chrisc_stdc       @marc 200
00:52 huginn            chrisc_stdc: unknown tag 200
00:52 chrisc_stdc       @marc 245
00:52 huginn            chrisc_stdc: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
00:53 mtj               heya chris
00:53 chrisc_stdc       heya hows wellington?
00:53 mtj               whats stdc?
00:53 mtj               ah, click… ;)
00:53 chrisc_stdc       south taranaki district council
00:53 mtj               very nice thanks
00:53 eythian           chrisc_stdc: hiya
00:53 eythian           wellington is nice
00:54 eythian           how's things going there
00:54 chrisc_stdc       eythian: you doing a data load?
00:54 eythian           nope
00:54 chrisc_stdc       good, im on the big screen so be nice
00:54 eythian           Have no plans to do one today unless they ask for it
00:54 chrisc_stdc       cool
00:54 * eythian         hacks some templates
00:54 eythian           (just for the big-screen demo)
00:55 eythian           anyone got dodgy photos of chris they can contribute? :)
00:55 mtj               ooooh, big screen, sounds like training...
00:56 mtj               nope, just *orsum* ones here.. ;)
00:56 * space_librarian smothers a giggle
00:57 mtj               man, is charlie sheen high, or what?
00:57 mtj               http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13167959
00:58 mtj               btw, thats a rhetorical question
00:58 eythian           mtj: what is that?
00:59 mtj               charlie sheens webcast/blog thingy
00:59 space_librarian   wow
01:00 mtj               'sheens korner' streaming from the tubes
01:00 eythian           Oh. He looks like the start of a rock musician who's going to end up 60 and made of leather. (trying to think of an example, but failing.)
01:01 mtj               pssst: keith richards
01:01 eythian           that's exactly who I was trying to think of, I got stuck at Keith Rogers, knowing that wasn't right
01:02 mtj               who new charlie sheen was a beat poet….
01:03 eythian           I couldn't really keep watching it
01:03 * mtj             pulls out the beret and bongos
01:04 mtj               good call, the next installment is way better
01:05 mtj               ive just done 6 months worth of invoicing, so im feeling a bit 'jaunty'
01:05 mtj               well, 4 months really..
01:06 eythian           Jaunty Jackalope?
01:06 mtj               jaunty bank account-a-lope
01:07 eythian           that'll do I suppose.
01:07 mtj               i might splurge on some new tape for my glasses
01:08 mtj               ok, gotta head home....
01:09 mtj               ciao folks
01:09 eythian           yeah, I gotta do work :)
01:09 eythian           later
03:30 kmkale            Namaskar #koha
03:30 mtj               namaste kmkale
03:33 kmkale            hi mtj :)
03:34 space_librarian   hi kmkale!
03:34 kmkale            hi space_librarian
03:35 kmkale            does anyone have an idea about while doing bulk import using bulkmarcimport.pl if I use -isbn does it still add items?
03:40 mtj               pass, ive never seen the isbn flag, must be new
03:41 kmkale            thing is I have always used the web based manage marc records stuff.
03:42 kmkale            This time when I try to de duplicate with isbn rule, it refuses to move beyond 0%. Left it overnight but no go
03:42 eythian           kmkale: it should still add, just not add things with a matching ISBN
03:43 eythian           I don't know why it'd get stuck though
03:43 kmkale            I checked in db. No entries in either biblio, biblioitems, items tables with the web based manage-marc-import.pl.
03:44 kmkale            Wanted to know if bulkmarcimport.pl will still add items for a bib match found on isbn
03:45 eythian           I don't think it will, according to the documenation. It'll skip those ones.
03:45 mtj               kmkale:  it looks like it should, from the code
03:45 kmkale            ok. running it now. on a test db :)
03:45 mtj               ahh, its an isbn *skip* option....
03:46 mtj               yeah, eythian++
03:46 kmkale            :(
03:46 kmkale            so no items added? the web based one has an option to still add items.
03:46 mtj               try a diff web-browser too
03:47 eythian           ahh, I understand your question now. I don't think it does that.
03:47 mtj               i have had occasional 0% glitches with the web import
03:47 eythian           Someone� should give it an option to merge.
03:47 mtj               yep
03:48 kmkale            15052 MARC records done in 220.646286010742 seconds that was fast. lets check about items now
03:53 kmkale            looks like it added 11659 biblios and 15103 items. running zebra rebuild. lets search and check after that.
03:54 kmkale            but something fishy about the items
03:54 kmkale            and I must manually check on duplicate number of isbn's to see if 11659 is correct
04:11 kmkale            ok. It did not import items for isbn matches. Thats too bad..
04:13 eythian           yeah, I'm not really surprised by that
04:16 kmkale            trying web import with chromium.
04:17 kmkale            I can see a www-data owned background job running but the browser is stuck at 0% and no entries in the db :(
04:23 kmkale            running with perl 5.10.1 on ubuntu 10.10
04:40 kmkale            bug 5847
04:40 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
04:41 kmkale            bbl
05:10 cait              hi #koha
05:16 space_librarian   hi cait
05:17 cait              hi space_librarian
08:15 kf                hi #koha
09:05 kf                marcelr++
09:37 kf                hi kmkale and paul_p
09:37 kmkale            hi kf
09:37 kmkale            hi paul_p
09:42 slef              @later tell nengard (or anyone else) I'd like to help update the FAQ about serials. I'd need to gather questions. Do you have any tips on the best way?
09:42 huginn            slef: The operation succeeded.
09:58 kf                paul_p: we are doing acq training today and have a few problems - do you know the state of the acq branch integration?
10:12 hdl               kf: it should be ongoing work
10:38 paul_p            hello kf
10:39 paul_p            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5580
10:39 huginn            04Bug 5580: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, BibLibre acq improvements for 3.4
10:40 kf                thx paul
10:40 kf                I think I will spend a lot of time with this next week
10:40 kf                ah, chris has not splitted it into bugs yet
11:20 druthb            good morning, #koha
11:21 slef              good morning. Just.
12:02 kmkale            @quote random
12:02 huginn            kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
12:13 druthb            @quote random
12:13 huginn            druthb: Quote #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with reference to zebra? ;-) ; wizzyrea: correction: black magic of zebra :D ; sekjal: correction: black and white striped magic of zebra .... ; rhcl: zebra sounds like a skunk ; chris_n thinks is may smell occasionally too, like a pole cat." (added by wizzyrea at 04:49 PM, January 18, 2011)
12:16 kmkale            gmcharlt: around?
12:16 kmkale            slef: around?
12:17 slef              kmkale: yes
12:24 kmkale            Gotta run. bbl
14:26 * druthb          reaches into her toolbox for the Velcro.
15:10 druthb            mornin, Liz!
15:10 wizzyrea          mornin :)
15:11 SharonNEKLS       Hi all. One of our libraries would like a Fines paid report in Koha. I tried tweaking the one I created in Harley yesterday, but somehow broke it.
15:11 SharonNEKLS       SELECT round(Sum(accountlines.amount),2) AS 'Fines Paid', borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.branchcode FROM accountlines LEFT JOIN borrowers ON (accountlines.borrowernumber=borrowers.borrowernumber) WHERE (accounttype = 'PAY' ) AND date = (now() - interval 1 day) GROUP BY borrowers.branchcode
15:11 SharonNEKLS       see anything obvious? A difference b/w Harley and Koha, maybe?
15:13 druthb            You got nothing back, right, SharonNEKLS?
15:13 SharonNEKLS       nope, nada back on that one in Koha.
15:13 druthb            Try with accounttype= "Pay" instead of accounttype="PAY".  Spelling counts.  ;-)
15:14 SharonNEKLS       OK
15:14 SharonNEKLS       if I put in date BETWEEN '2011-03-03' AND '2011-03-06'  it works.
15:14 druthb            (To mysql, that's a different word.")
15:15 druthb            hm....instead of the date= clause, try date >= DATE_SUB(NOW(),INTERVAL 1 DAY)
15:15 SharonNEKLS       will do
15:16 SharonNEKLS       That did it!  My libraries will be happy to know they can see how much $$ they brought in yesterday
15:18 SharonNEKLS       works even better if I group by cardnumber...thank you!
15:21 * druthb          smiles happily.
15:32 rhcl_away         what's the token separator for entering tags in the OPAC?
15:33 Ahmuck-Sr         [2011-03-10 09:25] <SharonNEKLS> That did it!  My libraries will be happy to know they can see how much $$ they brought in yesterday - really?
15:34 wizzyrea          mym
15:34 wizzyrea          mhm
15:34 Ahmuck-Sr         is library revenue based on fines?
15:34 wizzyrea          not all of it
15:34 wizzyrea          certainly some
15:35 Ahmuck-Sr         shouldn't fine revenue be "extra" rather than a budget base for income?
15:35 Ahmuck-Sr         it's almost like we "hope" they get fines
15:35 wizzyrea          sure
15:35 wizzyrea          in an ideal world
15:36 Ahmuck-Sr         so were commercializing our libraries?
15:36 gmcharlt          Ahmuck-Sr: that's too strong of a statement
15:36 gmcharlt          more accurate, at least in the US, is that a lot of public libraries are getting less tax and public support
15:36 Ahmuck-Sr         commercialization comes in all forms, usually small at first
15:36 gmcharlt          than they used to (or ought to)
15:36 Ahmuck-Sr         why less public support
15:37 Ahmuck-Sr         perhaps a pbs raise for the library fund option?
15:38 Ahmuck-Sr         btw, last time i was at the library, seems like a lot of pulp fiction.  i can recall attending the library and learning all types of scientific material.  i assume the public is no longer interested in education?
15:39 gmcharlt          libraries serve a lot of public needs
15:39 gmcharlt          and entertainment reading is a valid one
15:39 gmcharlt          to characterize it as a lack of public interest in education?  not necessarily
15:40 gmcharlt          as far as loss of public moneys?  lot's of reasons, including consequences of the recession that have it a lot of states and localties hard
15:40 gmcharlt          political issues in some cases
15:40 gmcharlt          on the other hand, a lot of libraries see an increase (sometimes a significant one) in usage during recessions
15:41 gmcharlt          so a lot of libraries get caught in the problem of being asked to provide more services at exactly the same time that they are getting less tax revenue
15:42 gmcharlt          so ... yes, in an ideal world, libraries shouldn't (or shouldn't have to) consider fines as part of their budgets
15:42 * Ahmuck-Sr       grew up in the NEKLS system
15:42 Ahmuck-Sr         how many libraries are in the NEKLS system?
15:42 gmcharlt          but it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least a few libraries in the US were fine money is keeping a staff member employed, or mkaing the difference between being open five days a week instead of four
15:43 * Ahmuck-Sr       has considered opening a private library
15:45 wizzyrea          Ahmuck-Sr: you'll really love this then: http://boingboing.net/2011/03/04/california-libraries.html
15:45 wizzyrea          46 publics
15:45 wizzyrea          !!!
15:45 * wizzyrea        recognizes yet again what a small world it is
15:45 * wizzyrea        is from NEKLS
15:45 wizzyrea          :)
15:46 Ahmuck-Sr         ya, i was aware u were liz :)
15:46 Ahmuck-Sr         there was this book in Horton, that i would always check out.  seemed i was the only one.  it showed you how to build this device where you put your hands on it and  it makes your hair stand up like in science class
15:46 wizzyrea          hehe
15:47 wizzyrea          horton is in NExpress
15:47 Ahmuck-Sr         eventually when i got older i asked if i could buy the book and they let me, as no one had checked it out in 8 years
15:47 Ahmuck-Sr         ah
15:47 wizzyrea          hehe that's fun
15:47 Ahmuck-Sr         separate from NEKLS ?
15:47 wizzyrea          nope
15:47 wizzyrea          NExpress is the NEKLS shared automation system
15:49 Ahmuck-Sr         ah
15:50 Ahmuck-Sr         i'm surprised that libraires don't have fund drives like PBS
15:51 wizzyrea          maybe they should
15:51 * Ahmuck-Sr       watched the video
15:51 gmcharlt          indirectly some do via their friends groups
15:51 wizzyrea          ^^
15:51 rhcl              Ahmuk: yea, they should
15:54 rhcl              huggin: go fetch me bug 2495
15:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Currently no way to correct a typo in an authority controlled bib tag $a in Koha
15:54 rhcl              Is anybody working on bug 2495?
15:54 Ahmuck-Sr         is there a way to connect private library collections via koha?
15:56 Ahmuck-Sr         one of the best books i picked up at a coffee shop, a "pick up take with you read and then drop off somewhere else" book
16:07 rhcl              http://www.bookcrossing.com/
16:14 wizzyrea          rhcl: how funny, kind of like those geocaching tag thingies
16:14 wizzyrea          where you can trace your tag from geocache to geocache
16:14 Ahmuck-Sr         or letterboxing
16:14 wizzyrea          ah ya letterboxing
16:15 Ahmuck-Sr         well, back to work
16:15 rhcl              we did the bookcrossing thing once a number of years ago--got some interesting reports
17:17 wizzyrea          rhcl did you tell me you were having trouble with the title search in koha?
17:21 rhcl              is that a multiple choice question? I can't remember if I said that.
17:21 wizzyrea          heh
17:21 wizzyrea          if you were to search for something like "the duke and I" or "K is for killer"
17:21 rhcl              I know that with the word "the" for search will change results when used/not used
17:21 wizzyrea          would you get a result in your catalog
17:22 rhcl              I don't specifically remember that I asked about anything like your two examples
17:23 rhcl              and my librarians to have grief with the differences when searching using "the"
17:23 rhcl              to/do
17:24 rhcl              True or False:
17:24 rhcl              "Patrons are able to renew their inter-library loans themselves when logged into their account on the OPAC"
17:25 wizzyrea          true, depending on your setup
17:25 wizzyrea          you can certainly set rules that make ILL itypes non-renewable
17:25 rhcl              how do we enable "false"
17:25 wizzyrea          so only staff can override
17:25 rhcl              yes yes, how to do?
17:26 wizzyrea          administration -> circ and fine rules
17:26 wizzyrea          add a rule for your ILL itype
17:26 wizzyrea          that has 0 renewals
17:26 wizzyrea          then make sure that you have the pref for "allow renewal override"
17:26 wizzyrea          set
17:27 wizzyrea          that way staff can override, but patrons can't
17:27 rhcl              perfect perfect
17:32 rhcl              we don't see "allow renewal override"
17:32 wizzyrea          AllowRenewalLimitOverride
17:32 wizzyrea          ?
17:33 wizzyrea          under circulation preferences?
17:34 wizzyrea          you can just search "renewal" too
17:37 rhcl              are you still on harley? We can't quite follow you for this on our system
17:37 wizzyrea          nope, we are on koha
17:37 wizzyrea          what version?
17:37 wizzyrea          are you on
17:37 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: is that the one I added?
17:38 jcamins_away      I added a couple of *Override sysprefs very recently.
17:38 wizzyrea          jcamins_away: I don't know!
17:38 wizzyrea          maybe?
17:38 * jcamins_away    should probably remember. But he doesn't.
17:38 wizzyrea          I didn't think it was that new
17:39 rhcl    
17:39 wizzyrea          oh yea def not that new
17:39 wizzyrea          it must be in there rhcl
17:39 rhcl              harumpff
17:39 jcamins_away      rhcl: check Local Preferences... the syspref search can get a little wonky and miss those.
17:39 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/j8qqPLUUPJv
17:40 wizzyrea          when i searched for "renew"
17:40 wizzyrea          in the search
17:40 wizzyrea          I got bit by that local-use thing a few days ago
17:43 rhcl              OK, under checkout policy, got it by search
17:44 rhcl              thanks all! removes a line item from my complaint checklist!
17:44 wizzyrea          ^.^ yay!
17:44 wizzyrea          i like it when that happens
18:11 kohaneew          hey, how yalll?
18:13 cait              hi kohaneew
18:15 kohaneew          i'm having a problem with adding a book, when i try to access to set  "100 ? - MAIN ENTRY--PERSONAL NAME − " the field is locked not editable
18:15 jcamins_away      kohaneew: you need to change your syspref "BiblioAddsAuthorities" (or something like that).
18:15 kohaneew          ok let me take a look at that
18:18 kohaneew          i did the change but i think the lock is still there but the field seem editable
18:19 jcamins_away      Yes.
18:19 jcamins_away      The lock indicates authority control.
18:19 jcamins_away      Not "uneditable."
18:20 jcamins_away      I keep on meaning to file a bug report that that's confusing.
18:24 kohaneew          ok
18:24 kohaneew          thx
18:29 jcamins_away      Is the 751 field authority-controlled?
18:32 jcamins_away      Bigger question: is the 751 even included in the frameworks that come with Koha?
18:42 slef              ooh, I like the look of this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:OpenIDLogin can we have it on the k-c wiki?
18:42 slef              jcamins_away: grep the frameworks sql?
18:43 jcamins_away      slef: yeah, I'll do that when I'm at home.
18:43 jcamins_away      Oh, wait.
18:43 jcamins_away      I can do that on this server, too.
18:44 jcamins_away      Nope.
18:45 gmcharlt          slef: yes, we can have this on the k-c wiki tonight
18:45 jcamins_away      Oh, looks like I already reported this bug.
18:47 slef              gmcharlt: *dances* I might think people should avoid Google/Yahoo/AOL, but let's at least make G/Y/A do some user registration for us :)
18:47 slef              gmcharlt: thank you!
18:47 gmcharlt          slef: you're welcome
19:05 rhcl              wizzyrea: going back and looking at your earlier question:
19:05 rhcl              A search for "K is for killer" produces the correct title at the top of a list, followed by 7,320,201 totally irrelevant items.
19:05 rhcl              So that works "mostly".
19:15 wizzyrea          ah k
20:53 sekjal_away       goodnight, #koha!
21:00 wizzyrea          curious: what am I losing by turning of query stemming, in a practical sense? (I understand things like exception would bring up except)
21:01 wizzyrea          (if stemming is on)
21:01 cait              hm
21:01 cait              I only tested it very shortly a long while ago
21:02 wizzyrea          we were having trouble getting results for titles that had single letters
21:02 wizzyrea          titles such as "the duke and I" or "an apple a day"
21:02 wizzyrea          bring back no results
21:03 wizzyrea          with stemming off, they work marvellously
21:03 cait              ah
21:03 cait              I think stemming does not work with icu - but not sure
21:03 wizzyrea          I can't even begin to know how to put that in a bug report
21:04 wizzyrea          or how to look to see if it's already a bug
21:04 cait              examples perhaps
21:04 wizzyrea          oh that could be
21:04 wizzyrea          stemming !like ICU
21:06 cait              I am not entirely sure - could check my settings at work tomrorow
21:07 wizzyrea          I think we're ok for now, searches with single letters work again
21:07 wizzyrea          seems like searches with single letters *should* work with stemming though...
21:15 rangi_stdc        eythian: about?
21:16 cait              hi rangi
21:16 rangi_stdc        @later tell eythian i think we are missing the message_transport table data (or something like that)
21:16 huginn            rangi_stdc: The operation succeeded.
21:16 rangi_stdc        heya cait
21:16 * wizzyrea        blinks
21:16 * rangi_stdc      goes back to training
21:16 wizzyrea          it's a rangi sighting!
21:17 cait              lol
21:17 cait              good luck with training :)
21:17 wizzyrea          Tell the librarians hi from us :)
21:17 cait              good idea :)
22:05 wizzyrea          @later tell oleonard: This made me laugh, and you may laugh too: http://vimeo.com/19131028
22:05 huginn            wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
23:40 * druthb          peeks in
23:45 druthb            @seen Brooke_
23:45 huginn            druthb: Brooke_ was last seen in #koha 1 day, 2 hours, 53 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Brooke_> namaskar
23:45 * druthb          nods.