Time Nick Message 00:51 chrisc_stdc hi everybody 00:52 chrisc_stdc @marc 200 00:52 huginn chrisc_stdc: unknown tag 200 00:52 chrisc_stdc @marc 245 00:52 huginn chrisc_stdc: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] 00:53 mtj heya chris 00:53 chrisc_stdc heya hows wellington? 00:53 mtj whats stdc? 00:53 mtj ah, click… ;) 00:53 chrisc_stdc south taranaki district council 00:53 mtj very nice thanks 00:53 eythian chrisc_stdc: hiya 00:53 eythian wellington is nice 00:54 eythian how's things going there 00:54 chrisc_stdc eythian: you doing a data load? 00:54 eythian nope 00:54 chrisc_stdc good, im on the big screen so be nice 00:54 eythian Have no plans to do one today unless they ask for it 00:54 chrisc_stdc cool 00:54 * eythian hacks some templates 00:54 eythian (just for the big-screen demo) 00:55 eythian anyone got dodgy photos of chris they can contribute? :) 00:55 mtj ooooh, big screen, sounds like training... 00:56 mtj nope, just *orsum* ones here.. ;) 00:56 * space_librarian smothers a giggle 00:57 mtj man, is charlie sheen high, or what? 00:57 mtj http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13167959 00:58 mtj btw, thats a rhetorical question 00:58 eythian mtj: what is that? 00:59 mtj charlie sheens webcast/blog thingy 00:59 space_librarian wow 01:00 mtj 'sheens korner' streaming from the tubes 01:00 eythian Oh. He looks like the start of a rock musician who's going to end up 60 and made of leather. (trying to think of an example, but failing.) 01:01 mtj pssst: keith richards 01:01 eythian that's exactly who I was trying to think of, I got stuck at Keith Rogers, knowing that wasn't right 01:02 mtj who new charlie sheen was a beat poet…. 01:03 eythian I couldn't really keep watching it 01:03 * mtj pulls out the beret and bongos 01:04 mtj good call, the next installment is way better 01:05 mtj ive just done 6 months worth of invoicing, so im feeling a bit 'jaunty' 01:05 mtj well, 4 months really.. 01:06 eythian Jaunty Jackalope? 01:06 mtj jaunty bank account-a-lope 01:07 eythian that'll do I suppose. 01:07 mtj i might splurge on some new tape for my glasses 01:08 mtj ok, gotta head home.... 01:09 mtj ciao folks 01:09 eythian yeah, I gotta do work :) 01:09 eythian later 03:30 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:30 mtj namaste kmkale 03:33 kmkale hi mtj :) 03:34 space_librarian hi kmkale! 03:34 kmkale hi space_librarian 03:35 kmkale does anyone have an idea about while doing bulk import using bulkmarcimport.pl if I use -isbn does it still add items? 03:40 mtj pass, ive never seen the isbn flag, must be new 03:41 kmkale thing is I have always used the web based manage marc records stuff. 03:42 kmkale This time when I try to de duplicate with isbn rule, it refuses to move beyond 0%. Left it overnight but no go 03:42 eythian kmkale: it should still add, just not add things with a matching ISBN 03:43 eythian I don't know why it'd get stuck though 03:43 kmkale I checked in db. No entries in either biblio, biblioitems, items tables with the web based manage-marc-import.pl. 03:44 kmkale Wanted to know if bulkmarcimport.pl will still add items for a bib match found on isbn 03:45 eythian I don't think it will, according to the documenation. It'll skip those ones. 03:45 mtj kmkale: it looks like it should, from the code 03:45 kmkale ok. running it now. on a test db :) 03:45 mtj ahh, its an isbn *skip* option.... 03:46 mtj yeah, eythian++ 03:46 kmkale :( 03:46 kmkale so no items added? the web based one has an option to still add items. 03:46 mtj try a diff web-browser too 03:47 eythian ahh, I understand your question now. I don't think it does that. 03:47 mtj i have had occasional 0% glitches with the web import 03:47 eythian Someone� should give it an option to merge. 03:47 mtj yep 03:48 kmkale 15052 MARC records done in 220.646286010742 seconds that was fast. lets check about items now 03:53 kmkale looks like it added 11659 biblios and 15103 items. running zebra rebuild. lets search and check after that. 03:54 kmkale but something fishy about the items 03:54 kmkale and I must manually check on duplicate number of isbn's to see if 11659 is correct 04:11 kmkale ok. It did not import items for isbn matches. Thats too bad.. 04:13 eythian yeah, I'm not really surprised by that 04:16 kmkale trying web import with chromium. 04:17 kmkale I can see a www-data owned background job running but the browser is stuck at 0% and no entries in the db :( 04:23 kmkale running 3.03.00.019 with perl 5.10.1 on ubuntu 10.10 04:40 kmkale bug 5847 04:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. 04:41 kmkale bbl 05:10 cait hi #koha 05:16 space_librarian hi cait 05:17 cait hi space_librarian 08:15 kf hi #koha 09:05 kf marcelr++ 09:37 kf hi kmkale and paul_p 09:37 kmkale hi kf 09:37 kmkale hi paul_p 09:42 slef @later tell nengard (or anyone else) I'd like to help update the FAQ about serials. I'd need to gather questions. Do you have any tips on the best way? 09:42 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 09:58 kf paul_p: we are doing acq training today and have a few problems - do you know the state of the acq branch integration? 10:12 hdl kf: it should be ongoing work 10:38 paul_p hello kf 10:39 paul_p http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5580 10:39 huginn 04Bug 5580: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, BibLibre acq improvements for 3.4 10:40 kf thx paul 10:40 kf I think I will spend a lot of time with this next week 10:40 kf ah, chris has not splitted it into bugs yet 11:20 druthb good morning, #koha 11:21 slef good morning. Just. 12:02 kmkale @quote random 12:02 huginn kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) 12:13 druthb @quote random 12:13 huginn druthb: Quote #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with reference to zebra? ;-) ; wizzyrea: correction: black magic of zebra :D ; sekjal: correction: black and white striped magic of zebra .... ; rhcl: zebra sounds like a skunk ; chris_n thinks is may smell occasionally too, like a pole cat." (added by wizzyrea at 04:49 PM, January 18, 2011) 12:16 kmkale gmcharlt: around? 12:16 kmkale slef: around? 12:17 slef kmkale: yes 12:24 kmkale Gotta run. bbl 14:26 * druthb reaches into her toolbox for the Velcro. 15:10 druthb mornin, Liz! 15:10 wizzyrea mornin :) 15:11 SharonNEKLS Hi all. One of our libraries would like a Fines paid report in Koha. I tried tweaking the one I created in Harley yesterday, but somehow broke it. 15:11 SharonNEKLS SELECT round(Sum(accountlines.amount),2) AS 'Fines Paid', borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.branchcode FROM accountlines LEFT JOIN borrowers ON (accountlines.borrowernumber=borrowers.borrowernumber) WHERE (accounttype = 'PAY' ) AND date = (now() - interval 1 day) GROUP BY borrowers.branchcode 15:11 SharonNEKLS see anything obvious? A difference b/w Harley and Koha, maybe? 15:13 druthb You got nothing back, right, SharonNEKLS? 15:13 SharonNEKLS nope, nada back on that one in Koha. 15:13 druthb Try with accounttype= "Pay" instead of accounttype="PAY". Spelling counts. ;-) 15:14 SharonNEKLS OK 15:14 SharonNEKLS if I put in date BETWEEN '2011-03-03' AND '2011-03-06' it works. 15:14 druthb (To mysql, that's a different word.") 15:15 druthb hm....instead of the date= clause, try date >= DATE_SUB(NOW(),INTERVAL 1 DAY) 15:15 SharonNEKLS will do 15:16 SharonNEKLS That did it! My libraries will be happy to know they can see how much $$ they brought in yesterday 15:18 SharonNEKLS works even better if I group by cardnumber...thank you! 15:21 * druthb smiles happily. 15:32 rhcl_away what's the token separator for entering tags in the OPAC? 15:33 Ahmuck-Sr [2011-03-10 09:25] <SharonNEKLS> That did it! My libraries will be happy to know they can see how much $$ they brought in yesterday - really? 15:34 wizzyrea mym 15:34 wizzyrea mhm 15:34 Ahmuck-Sr is library revenue based on fines? 15:34 wizzyrea not all of it 15:34 wizzyrea certainly some 15:35 Ahmuck-Sr shouldn't fine revenue be "extra" rather than a budget base for income? 15:35 Ahmuck-Sr it's almost like we "hope" they get fines 15:35 wizzyrea sure 15:35 wizzyrea in an ideal world 15:36 Ahmuck-Sr so were commercializing our libraries? 15:36 gmcharlt Ahmuck-Sr: that's too strong of a statement 15:36 gmcharlt more accurate, at least in the US, is that a lot of public libraries are getting less tax and public support 15:36 Ahmuck-Sr commercialization comes in all forms, usually small at first 15:36 gmcharlt than they used to (or ought to) 15:36 Ahmuck-Sr why less public support 15:37 Ahmuck-Sr perhaps a pbs raise for the library fund option? 15:38 Ahmuck-Sr btw, last time i was at the library, seems like a lot of pulp fiction. i can recall attending the library and learning all types of scientific material. i assume the public is no longer interested in education? 15:39 gmcharlt libraries serve a lot of public needs 15:39 gmcharlt and entertainment reading is a valid one 15:39 gmcharlt to characterize it as a lack of public interest in education? not necessarily 15:40 gmcharlt as far as loss of public moneys? lot's of reasons, including consequences of the recession that have it a lot of states and localties hard 15:40 gmcharlt political issues in some cases 15:40 gmcharlt on the other hand, a lot of libraries see an increase (sometimes a significant one) in usage during recessions 15:41 gmcharlt so a lot of libraries get caught in the problem of being asked to provide more services at exactly the same time that they are getting less tax revenue 15:42 gmcharlt so ... yes, in an ideal world, libraries shouldn't (or shouldn't have to) consider fines as part of their budgets 15:42 * Ahmuck-Sr grew up in the NEKLS system 15:42 Ahmuck-Sr how many libraries are in the NEKLS system? 15:42 gmcharlt but it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least a few libraries in the US were fine money is keeping a staff member employed, or mkaing the difference between being open five days a week instead of four 15:43 * Ahmuck-Sr has considered opening a private library 15:45 wizzyrea Ahmuck-Sr: you'll really love this then: http://boingboing.net/2011/03/04/california-libraries.html 15:45 wizzyrea 46 publics 15:45 wizzyrea !!! 15:45 * wizzyrea recognizes yet again what a small world it is 15:45 * wizzyrea is from NEKLS 15:45 wizzyrea :) 15:46 Ahmuck-Sr ya, i was aware u were liz :) 15:46 Ahmuck-Sr there was this book in Horton, that i would always check out. seemed i was the only one. it showed you how to build this device where you put your hands on it and it makes your hair stand up like in science class 15:46 wizzyrea hehe 15:47 wizzyrea horton is in NExpress 15:47 Ahmuck-Sr eventually when i got older i asked if i could buy the book and they let me, as no one had checked it out in 8 years 15:47 Ahmuck-Sr ah 15:47 wizzyrea hehe that's fun 15:47 Ahmuck-Sr separate from NEKLS ? 15:47 wizzyrea nope 15:47 wizzyrea NExpress is the NEKLS shared automation system 15:49 Ahmuck-Sr ah 15:50 Ahmuck-Sr i'm surprised that libraires don't have fund drives like PBS 15:51 wizzyrea maybe they should 15:51 * Ahmuck-Sr watched the video 15:51 gmcharlt indirectly some do via their friends groups 15:51 wizzyrea ^^ 15:51 rhcl Ahmuk: yea, they should 15:54 rhcl huggin: go fetch me bug 2495 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Currently no way to correct a typo in an authority controlled bib tag $a in Koha 15:54 rhcl Is anybody working on bug 2495? 15:54 Ahmuck-Sr is there a way to connect private library collections via koha? 15:56 Ahmuck-Sr one of the best books i picked up at a coffee shop, a "pick up take with you read and then drop off somewhere else" book 16:07 rhcl http://www.bookcrossing.com/ 16:14 wizzyrea rhcl: how funny, kind of like those geocaching tag thingies 16:14 wizzyrea where you can trace your tag from geocache to geocache 16:14 Ahmuck-Sr or letterboxing 16:14 wizzyrea ah ya letterboxing 16:15 Ahmuck-Sr well, back to work 16:15 rhcl we did the bookcrossing thing once a number of years ago--got some interesting reports 17:17 wizzyrea rhcl did you tell me you were having trouble with the title search in koha? 17:21 rhcl is that a multiple choice question? I can't remember if I said that. 17:21 wizzyrea heh 17:21 wizzyrea if you were to search for something like "the duke and I" or "K is for killer" 17:21 rhcl I know that with the word "the" for search will change results when used/not used 17:21 wizzyrea would you get a result in your catalog 17:22 rhcl I don't specifically remember that I asked about anything like your two examples 17:23 rhcl and my librarians to have grief with the differences when searching using "the" 17:23 rhcl to/do 17:24 rhcl True or False: 17:24 rhcl "Patrons are able to renew their inter-library loans themselves when logged into their account on the OPAC" 17:25 wizzyrea true, depending on your setup 17:25 wizzyrea you can certainly set rules that make ILL itypes non-renewable 17:25 rhcl how do we enable "false" 17:25 wizzyrea so only staff can override 17:25 rhcl yes yes, how to do? 17:26 wizzyrea administration -> circ and fine rules 17:26 wizzyrea add a rule for your ILL itype 17:26 wizzyrea that has 0 renewals 17:26 wizzyrea then make sure that you have the pref for "allow renewal override" 17:26 wizzyrea set 17:27 wizzyrea that way staff can override, but patrons can't 17:27 rhcl perfect perfect 17:32 rhcl we don't see "allow renewal override" 17:32 wizzyrea AllowRenewalLimitOverride 17:32 wizzyrea ? 17:33 wizzyrea under circulation preferences? 17:34 wizzyrea you can just search "renewal" too 17:37 rhcl are you still on harley? We can't quite follow you for this on our system 17:37 wizzyrea nope, we are on koha 17:37 wizzyrea what version? 17:37 wizzyrea are you on 17:37 jcamins_away wizzyrea: is that the one I added? 17:38 jcamins_away I added a couple of *Override sysprefs very recently. 17:38 wizzyrea jcamins_away: I don't know! 17:38 wizzyrea maybe? 17:38 * jcamins_away should probably remember. But he doesn't. 17:38 wizzyrea I didn't think it was that new 17:39 rhcl 3.03.00.010 17:39 wizzyrea oh yea def not that new 17:39 wizzyrea it must be in there rhcl 17:39 rhcl harumpff 17:39 jcamins_away rhcl: check Local Preferences... the syspref search can get a little wonky and miss those. 17:39 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/j8qqPLUUPJv 17:40 wizzyrea when i searched for "renew" 17:40 wizzyrea in the search 17:40 wizzyrea I got bit by that local-use thing a few days ago 17:43 rhcl OK, under checkout policy, got it by search 17:44 rhcl thanks all! removes a line item from my complaint checklist! 17:44 wizzyrea ^.^ yay! 17:44 wizzyrea i like it when that happens 18:11 kohaneew hey, how yalll? 18:13 cait hi kohaneew 18:15 kohaneew i'm having a problem with adding a book, when i try to access to set "100 ? - MAIN ENTRY--PERSONAL NAME − " the field is locked not editable 18:15 jcamins_away kohaneew: you need to change your syspref "BiblioAddsAuthorities" (or something like that). 18:15 kohaneew ok let me take a look at that 18:18 kohaneew i did the change but i think the lock is still there but the field seem editable 18:19 jcamins_away Yes. 18:19 jcamins_away The lock indicates authority control. 18:19 jcamins_away Not "uneditable." 18:20 jcamins_away I keep on meaning to file a bug report that that's confusing. 18:24 kohaneew ok 18:24 kohaneew thx 18:29 jcamins_away Is the 751 field authority-controlled? 18:32 jcamins_away Bigger question: is the 751 even included in the frameworks that come with Koha? 18:42 slef ooh, I like the look of this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:OpenIDLogin can we have it on the k-c wiki? 18:42 slef jcamins_away: grep the frameworks sql? 18:43 jcamins_away slef: yeah, I'll do that when I'm at home. 18:43 jcamins_away Oh, wait. 18:43 jcamins_away I can do that on this server, too. 18:44 jcamins_away Nope. 18:45 gmcharlt slef: yes, we can have this on the k-c wiki tonight 18:45 jcamins_away Oh, looks like I already reported this bug. 18:47 slef gmcharlt: *dances* I might think people should avoid Google/Yahoo/AOL, but let's at least make G/Y/A do some user registration for us :) 18:47 slef gmcharlt: thank you! 18:47 gmcharlt slef: you're welcome 19:05 rhcl wizzyrea: going back and looking at your earlier question: 19:05 rhcl A search for "K is for killer" produces the correct title at the top of a list, followed by 7,320,201 totally irrelevant items. 19:05 rhcl So that works "mostly". 19:15 wizzyrea ah k 20:53 sekjal_away goodnight, #koha! 21:00 wizzyrea curious: what am I losing by turning of query stemming, in a practical sense? (I understand things like exception would bring up except) 21:01 wizzyrea (if stemming is on) 21:01 cait hm 21:01 cait I only tested it very shortly a long while ago 21:02 wizzyrea we were having trouble getting results for titles that had single letters 21:02 wizzyrea titles such as "the duke and I" or "an apple a day" 21:02 wizzyrea bring back no results 21:03 wizzyrea with stemming off, they work marvellously 21:03 cait ah 21:03 cait I think stemming does not work with icu - but not sure 21:03 wizzyrea I can't even begin to know how to put that in a bug report 21:04 wizzyrea or how to look to see if it's already a bug 21:04 cait examples perhaps 21:04 wizzyrea oh that could be 21:04 wizzyrea stemming !like ICU 21:06 cait I am not entirely sure - could check my settings at work tomrorow 21:07 wizzyrea I think we're ok for now, searches with single letters work again 21:07 wizzyrea seems like searches with single letters *should* work with stemming though... 21:15 rangi_stdc eythian: about? 21:16 cait hi rangi 21:16 rangi_stdc @later tell eythian i think we are missing the message_transport table data (or something like that) 21:16 huginn rangi_stdc: The operation succeeded. 21:16 rangi_stdc heya cait 21:16 * wizzyrea blinks 21:16 * rangi_stdc goes back to training 21:16 wizzyrea it's a rangi sighting! 21:17 cait lol 21:17 cait good luck with training :) 21:17 wizzyrea Tell the librarians hi from us :) 21:17 cait good idea :) 22:05 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard: This made me laugh, and you may laugh too: http://vimeo.com/19131028 22:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 23:40 * druthb peeks in 23:45 druthb @seen Brooke_ 23:45 huginn druthb: Brooke_ was last seen in #koha 1 day, 2 hours, 53 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Brooke_> namaskar 23:45 * druthb nods.