Time Nick Message 23:53 mtj yeah, ill ask liz/nekls/bywater 23:52 rhcl_away and maybe wizzyrea 23:52 rhcl_away I think sekjal would probably know of people using them 23:49 mtj anyone know of anyone using them? 23:49 mtj quick 3m self check quesyion here....... 23:01 Judit hi 22:23 * sekjal crosses fingers for a goodly sized refund 22:23 wizzyrea gl 22:23 sekjal okay, time to go do taxes... 22:02 cait :) 22:01 sekjal we'd also be able to have an interface to add them to cart from a barcode scanner 21:53 cait I like the idea 21:53 cait ok, no more questions :) 21:48 sekjal then they could be removed later 21:48 sekjal from search results, it could be defaulted to add all items for the title 21:48 sekjal where it's possible to select items individually (like on the details page) we could, either with checkboxes or links like "add to cart" 21:46 cait at the moment it works from the record and from the result list 21:45 cait sekjal: reading about your idea for the cart - how would we seelct items into the cart? 20:14 wizzyrea no worries 20:14 wizzyrea it's cool :) 20:14 cait but have no time to work on it today 20:14 cait okok 20:13 wizzyrea i personally like seeing it 20:13 wizzyrea formatting = good, ability to hide = good 20:12 cait it's not even wrapped in a html tag I can hide at the moment 20:12 cait but I am open for discussion here - at least it should be formatted 20:11 cait in my eyes 20:11 cait about the sql statement: it was not always there, got in with the parameters in sql reports - and because the current output is very ugly 20:11 cait :) 20:11 cait ah haribo 20:10 wizzyrea cait: these are evil, and wonderful: http://www.germandeli.com/pastaflagga.html 18:59 Brooke_ off I go. 18:58 * Brooke_ nods. 18:58 jcamins The Prince. :) 18:58 Brooke_ after the idiot or the place? 18:57 Brooke_ ooh I like that. 18:57 * Brooke_ points out that this is all very important from a development standpoint. 18:57 jcamins Myshkin. 18:56 Brooke_ what's his name? 18:55 jcamins Brooke_: technically "he" is an "it," but we let him pretend that's not the case. ;) 18:55 Brooke_ pfft, tomcats. 18:54 jcamins I think he's eating. 18:53 * Brooke_ s cat sneezed all over her at one point many moons ago. 18:53 Brooke_ Is it still eating properly? 18:53 Brooke_ oh really? 18:53 jcamins My cat has a cold, too. :( 18:53 Brooke_ that one could be worse, I suppose. 18:52 wahanui1 rumour has it Brooke_ is hearing no objections 18:52 druthb wahanui1: Brooke_? 18:52 Brooke_ Hmph. I suppose that'll do. 18:52 * druthb blushes. 18:52 wahanui1 druthb is a rockstar! 18:52 Brooke_ wahanui1 druthb? 18:52 Brooke_ wha?! 18:52 huginn Brooke_: downloading the Perl source 18:52 Brooke_ huginn druthb? 18:51 huginn druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 18:51 druthb @quote get 102 18:51 Brooke_ lies! 18:50 * druthb isn't, either, much. 18:50 * wizzyrea is not feeling very chatty 18:49 Brooke_ clearly everyone saves their chattiness for a meeting. 18:49 * Brooke_ suspects so. 18:49 * ibeardslee was just waiting for a quiet moment 18:44 Brooke_ don't all talk at once. 18:03 Brooke_ jcamins++ 18:01 jcamins Yes. 18:01 jwagner To clarify, you're now going to sign off (and thus send another patch file)? 18:00 jcamins Yeah. 17:59 jwagner We'll let a UNIMARC user do that one -- just wanted to point it out in the bug report. 17:58 jcamins Yeah, but the XSLT is structured very differently, and I wasn't confident of my ability to test. 17:58 jwagner They also use the code=9 construct 17:58 jcamins That's correct. 17:58 jwagner one caveat, though, which I'll add to the bug report -- your patch didn't address UNIMARC files, correct? 17:57 jcamins You're welcome. :) 17:57 jwagner Thank you for the fix! 17:56 Brooke_ sechsy: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11522 17:56 jcamins Thanks! 17:55 jwagner OK, all uploaded. 17:55 jwagner that's signed, not singed :-) 17:55 jcamins Yes. 17:54 druthb hi, Brooke_ :) 17:54 Brooke_ kia ora! 17:54 jwagner Mark your singed-off version as obsolete? 17:53 jcamins (since it's changed) 17:53 jcamins I'll sign off on the follow up, and resend it to the list. 17:52 jcamins Both. 17:51 jwagner OK, got the two files. Upload them both to the bugzilla page, or just the second one? 17:50 jcamins Just a regular git commit. 17:50 jwagner Regular old git commit, or something fancy? 17:50 jcamins Oh, yes. 17:50 jwagner ? 17:49 jwagner I have to git commit first, don't I 17:49 jcamins That'll give you two files. 17:49 jcamins git format-patch -s origin/master 17:48 jwagner So now how do I format the patch? I assume since I modified it I can't do the signoff bit 17:48 jwagner Yep, had to change MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl and MARC21slimUtils.xsl but it seems to be working now. 17:43 jcamins Yeah, looks like I just forgot to add "and $UseAuthoritiesForTracings='1'" to the showAuthor template. 17:40 jcamins It's very straightforward. 17:40 jwagner Assuming I understand how your patch works.... 17:36 jcamins Or you could work up a follow-up patch for me to sign, which might be more efficient. 17:36 jcamins jwagner: hm. I will work up a follow-up patch for you to sign. 17:31 jwagner subject links are OK in staff display 17:31 jwagner Hmmm. I see one problem. OPAC works the way I want it to (use zebra instead of the authority link). Staff, the staff results list uses the au: search instead of authority link for author. However, if you display the title record, the author link is still the authority record. 17:28 jcamins Yes. 17:28 jwagner jcamins, your two sysprefs, for what I want to do, should they both be set to 'don't'? 17:27 jwagner Finally got a version merged -- I think the wiki page is missing a step. I had to do a git add <filename> for all the modified files before resuming the merge 17:17 jwagner Argh. Just as many merge conflicts, sigh. 17:15 jcamins Right. 17:14 jwagner Now download the new patch & start over? 17:14 jwagner Well, that worked :-) 17:14 jcamins s/generaly/generally 17:14 * jcamins generaly takes the sledgehammer approach to git repository management 17:13 jcamins git reset --hard qa-bug_5810 17:13 jwagner Now I'm trying git checkout for all the filenames, doesn't seem to like that either :-( 17:12 jwagner Tried skipping, that didn't work either. 17:12 druthb1 git am --skip 17:12 jwagner No, not a valid flag. 17:11 jcamins git am --abort I think 17:11 jwagner It's got lots of files it's complaining about, and I just want to scrap everything. 17:10 jwagner OK, how do I break out of this unfinished merge on this branch and start over? 17:05 jcamins It'll be exactly the same, except signed-off. 17:05 jwagner Argghh! I think I just got through fixing the conflicts :-) 17:05 jcamins Hold on. 17:04 jcamins I'll attach a new one. 17:04 jcamins jwagner: oh, it looks like the one attached to the bug isn't the latest. 17:03 jwagner should I be using something else? 17:03 jwagner I'm using the patch file that was attached to the bug 17:03 atz that would do it 17:03 jcamins Oh, I bet it was my other patch that was pushed. 17:02 jwagner So far they seem to be nugatory -- just remove the <<< lines 17:02 jcamins That's not good. 17:01 jcamins And you got merge conflicts? 17:01 jwagner lots of problems with the installer files 17:01 jcamins Hm. 17:01 jwagner That's what I'm working on 17:00 jcamins Yeah, it's based on latest Master. 16:59 jwagner jcamins, lots of merge conflicts, let's see if I can figure out how to resolve them. 16:52 jcamins I guess I should fix that. 16:51 jcamins Yeah, that's the step before the wiki page picks up. 16:51 jwagner Can I just ftp the patch file to my server & apply that way? 16:51 jcamins jwagner: you'll probably need to change "origin/master" to "kc/master" (or whatever you call your koha-community.org remote). 16:49 jcamins jwagner: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 16:49 jcamins Oh, that wasn't pushed. It must have been pushed to a branch. 16:47 jwagner Hrrrmmmm. I still have not figured out the signoff process (or how to download and apply a patch), but I might be tempted to for thiis.... 16:46 jcamins ;) 16:46 jcamins I couldn't get a sign-off for *my* solution, because everyone else ran into your problem. 16:46 jcamins Mine and yours. 16:46 jcamins I solved two problems, actually. 16:45 jwagner So you were solving a quite different problem, but the solution might work for mine as well. 16:45 jcamins The problem is that our XSLT processor does not follow the standard wrt scoping. 16:45 jcamins I also restructured some of the XSLTs a bit. 16:44 jcamins Yeah, there were some problems with that. 16:44 jwagner And you got it to work in staff XSLT? I couldn't for some reason. 16:44 jcamins UseAuthoritiesForTracings 16:43 jcamins TracingsUseAuthorities or something like that. 16:43 jcamins Right. 16:43 jwagner Making it do a zebra search instead of an authority search? 16:42 jcamins I actually implemented a syspref that does exactly what you describe. 16:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5810 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject tracings should search complete subfields 16:42 jcamins Bug 5810. 16:42 jcamins Hm. Bugzilla is down. 16:42 jcamins Yeah, it was just pushed. 16:41 jwagner about authorities & cross-ref searches? I didn't spot anything likely, but I don't seem to have good luck searching bugzilla 16:40 jcamins I'm looking for my related bug. 16:40 jcamins No, I think that was me. ;) 16:40 jwagner I could have been sleep-typing :-) 16:40 jcamins jwagner: never mind, that was a dumb question. You just said something. 16:39 jwagner yes 16:39 jcamins jwagner: around? 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5842 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Cross-Reference links to authorized fields give incomplete search results 16:38 jwagner Would someone who knows authorities like to take a look at Bug 5842 ? 16:19 sekjal okay, thanks... a partner of ours got what looks like some bad information, so wanted to check to see if I was missing something 16:18 gmcharlt sekjal: nor in Florida 16:18 hdl sekjal: not here in Marseille 16:08 sekjal quick ping of the collective brainpool: anyone know of any work on patron self-registration? 15:36 * magnuse has taken a bit of a liberty: http://lanyrd.com/2011/kohacon11/ 15:35 kmkale bye all and a big thanks to all of you for helping :) 15:35 paul_p kmkale, sweet dreams! 15:34 slef kmkale: thanks 15:34 kmkale slef: will get someone in VPM to do that asap 15:33 slef I think it would be great if you could write a quick guide page about Thane, India and VPM on the wiki or ocs :) 15:32 kmkale :) 15:32 mtj cool, nice work kmkale :) 15:32 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-03-08-14.01.log.html 15:32 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-03-08-14.01.txt 15:32 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-03-08-14.01.html 15:32 huginn Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 15:39:54 2011 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:32 kmkale #endmeeting 15:32 paul_p ok for end meeting 15:31 kmkale be happy to answer any queries about Thane, India, VPM etc 15:31 kmkale end meeting? 15:30 kmkale #action next irc meeting of Kohacon11 volunteers on 8th April 2011 at 6.00UTC 15:30 gmcharlt agreed 15:30 paul_p kmkale, will be 8AM for me (summer time), so OK 15:29 mtj agreed 15:29 kmkale agreed? 8th april 6.00UTC ?? 15:28 kmkale paul_p: I was afraid you would say too early ;) 15:28 paul_p kmkale, OK for me 15:27 kmkale *UTC 15:27 kmkale 6.00 uts on 8th april then? 15:25 mtj 8 hr thing ++ 15:25 gmcharlt kmkale: it's up to you 15:25 slef make sure it's sane for you, then rotate or not as you wish IMO 15:24 kmkale do we try to get the time as per most of volunteers convinience or go by the 8 hr thing? 15:24 kmkale huh 15:24 wahanui1 i heard time was a scary thing 15:24 kmkale time? 15:23 paul_p 8th sound OK to me 15:23 kmkale or 8th 15:22 kmkale 5th april? 15:21 paul_p ++ for me too 15:21 kmkale i had a couple of regrets due to the time of meeting today 15:21 mtj yeah, perfect 15:21 kmkale how about monthly meeting? rotated 8hrs? 15:20 mtj 2 or 4 weeks away? or too soon? 15:19 kmkale time and date for next volunteers meeting? 15:19 kmkale #action slef to create sponsor registration type post getting admin rights 15:19 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt to draft the call for presentatins 15:18 kmkale anyone else has anything to discuss? any question to ask maybe? 15:18 kmkale #action paul_p to send out hackfest discussion mail 15:18 kmkale #action kmkale to give slef and gmcharlt admin rights on OCS 15:17 kmkale slef yes good idea 15:17 slef once there's a sponsor registration type, let's call for sponsors on list, web and newsletter? 15:16 mtj mailing-list again, i think.... 15:16 kmkale also how do we go about getting some sponsors? 15:16 kmkale thanks paul_p++ 15:15 paul_p ok, will do 15:15 kmkale paul_p please do it if you can 15:15 paul_p kmkale, if you want, or you can do it yourself if you prefer. I let you choose (it's your KohaCon ;) ) 15:15 huginn slef: mailing list has neutral karma. 15:15 slef @karma mailing list 15:14 huginn slef: Karma for "list" has been increased 3 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 2. 15:14 slef @karma list 15:14 kmkale so paul_p will you send a mail to the list about hackfest duration format proposal? 15:14 mtj mailling list++ 15:14 kmkale i don't want to be sitting there alone ;) 15:14 kmkale slef: about hackfest its really upto developers 15:13 paul_p mailing list++ 15:13 slef final decision or decision method is up to kmkale IMO 15:13 kmkale mailing lists is better imho 15:13 mtj or do we just vote now? 15:13 mtj perhaps we discuss on the mailing lists for the next week? 15:13 slef mtj: we have lots of friendship and experience within the co-op :) 15:12 mtj aww, the friendship and experience is nice, for hackfests 15:11 kmkale ok how do we go about finilizing hackfest duration and format? mailing list? vote? 15:11 slef kohacon more return, hackfest less 15:11 slef so do I, but I don't see much return for us in past hackfests 15:10 kmkale ya mtj is coming eraly for Diwali too :) 15:10 mtj yeah, i agree with paul :) 15:10 paul_p i've the opposite opinion: once i'm here, I want to ROI my investment ;-) 15:10 kmkale paul_p: if I could pay i would have attended kohacon in NZ ;) 15:09 slef I'm mobile so sorry for late/intermittent comments: remember that each extra day a travelling worker attends is probably an increased cost to their Koha buyers. 15:09 paul_p kmkale, if you pay the trip to all of us, then we could all come ;-) 15:09 kmkale shall we toss around the hackfest discussion on thge lists so that we get more opinions? people really may not have 10 days 15:08 paul_p lol 15:07 kmkale hehe if that happens paul_p then biblibre better bring all its developers to teach parallel learn to hack sessions :) 15:07 paul_p in France we were 15, in Texas about 15, in NZ about 15 too ! 15:06 paul_p but if you get 18k attendees, you may get 300 developers ;-) 15:06 kmkale cool then we have many 15:06 paul_p kmkale, I feel yes 15:06 mtj yeah, i think so 15:05 kmkale can hackfest stuff be done in a classroom of say 30 ppl? 15:04 kmkale in all 10 days 15:04 paul_p sounds really good ! 15:04 kmkale ?? 15:04 kmkale mon, tue, wed hack 15:04 kmkale sun rest 15:04 kmkale fri, sat learn to hack 15:03 kmkale thursday mumbai trip 15:03 paul_p in France, wk 1 = conf, then we, then wk2 = hackers 15:03 kmkale so mon, tue, wed conference proper 15:03 paul_p experimented in NZ = everybody was toooooo tired on hackfect day 3 ! 15:03 kmkale ok so 31st oct is monday 15:03 paul_p ++ to have some rest during the we 15:03 paul_p excluding 15:02 kmkale ? 15:02 kmkale paul_p: including weekends or excluding 15:01 paul_p 2 days learning to hack, then 3 days hack would be perfect ! 15:01 kmkale we can organize let hackers say how long they want 15:01 paul_p kmkale, as long as possible 3days not enough according to me 15:01 kmkale learn to hack++ 15:01 paul_p both are equally important. 15:01 kmkale length pf hackfest? 15:00 paul_p (I repeat what I already have said) my strong opinion is that we must have 2 different parts: one to help ppl learning how to hack, and one for hacking 15:00 kmkale take it away paul_p 14:59 paul_p kmkale, if you want. 14:59 mtj mumbai trip sounds great 14:59 kmkale paul_p: hackfest discussion now? 14:58 slef Sorry but I am going to have to leave in about 5min 14:58 paul_p kmkale, great ! 14:58 paul_p (everybody pays for this event, but you organize) 14:58 kmkale planning on a day trip to Mumbai 14:57 paul_p kmkale, do you plan to organize something ? in Texas, there was a baseball match, in NZ a maori experience,... 14:57 kmkale slef:++ 14:57 slef kmkale: ok, I will add that when I have ocs admin. 14:56 kmkale paul_p: good idea. so i can come up with a list of places to visit, shopping, get together, dinner etc etc 14:55 kmkale slef: good idea 14:55 paul_p kmkale, you can also ask or suggest about sociolizing time (what to do after each day ?) 14:55 kmkale actual work has to be done by us :) 14:55 kmkale but thats just text 14:55 slef could I add Registration Type: Prospective-Sponsor, perhaps? 14:55 kmkale & anather on sources of support 14:54 kmkale has a section on sponsors 14:54 kmkale ocshttp://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/about/organizingTeam 14:53 slef can ocs help with that? 14:53 slef kmkale++ 14:53 kmkale one more thing how about a call for sponsors? 14:53 kmkale next meeting I will report progress from our sub comitees 14:52 kmkale did i miss out anything? 14:52 kmkale decide on keynote themes 14:51 kmkale from different parts of the world 14:51 kmkale get help in travel guides 14:50 kmkale to summarize 1st part lets send out call for papers, open registrations, review papers as they come in, after a while start thinking about organizing sessions 14:50 mtj kmkale: i now have an ocs account , will do… 14:50 paul_p kmkale, you decide, if you think you've informations you need/want for the 1st part ;-) 14:48 kmkale paul_p: move on to hackfest? 14:48 kmkale anyone wants rights on conf management in OCS let me know 14:47 kmkale everyone please go through the site and let me know any text changes etc. 14:47 slef paul_p: not specifically AIUI we're talking about general organisation 14:46 paul_p => kmkale few mn ago 14:46 paul_p or was it for the hackfest? 14:46 paul_p somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev 14:46 paul_p yep 14:46 paul_p slef, the hackfest/developer part 14:46 slef hackfest? 14:46 slef paul_p: define "2nd part"? 14:46 kmkale slef: I will give you access. 14:46 paul_p (sorry, i've a meeting in // ...) 14:45 paul_p ie: do we speak of the 2nd part? 14:45 slef paul_p: 2nd part of the KohaCon? 14:45 slef kmkale: I'm happy to admin following requests from people, but I'd rather not lead any task just now if anyone else wants to do it (I have some local elections in May and July). 14:45 paul_p do we switch to the 2nd part of the KohaCon now ? (not clear to me) 14:44 gmcharlt slef: +1 # community participation session 14:42 kmkale I have put several placeholders in the site where I dont know what text to put 14:41 slef kmkale: what sort of help? I'm now registered, thank you for the change. 14:41 kmkale i can give access to the site 14:41 kmkale yes slef good idea 14:41 mtj kohacon10 hackfest 14:41 kmkale ? 14:41 kmkale anyone interested in helping with the site http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs 14:41 slef I guess a session on community participation for the masses (bug reporting demo, RFC demo, ...) might be good, if we get talks offered? 14:40 mtj kmkale: hackfest i think 14:40 kmkale or was it for the hackfest? 14:40 kmkale somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev 14:39 slef mtj: I think there was a cloud/VM type intro in hackfest, but not in con? 14:39 kmkale paul_p: koha awareness is quite high 14:39 slef mtj: but definitely a more mainstream intro to the liveCD and virtual machine versions would be good. 14:39 paul_p kmkale, in Paris, day 1 was for full-newbies day 2 was "I already use or plan to use Koha, tell me more" 14:38 kmkale paul_p: attendees will be interested in Koha, let me know more 14:38 slef mtj: I'm unsure of that, for more than the obvious reason (my sales), because it risks koha becoming seen as more for those who want to try DIY 14:38 paul_p the programme would/could be different depending on the expected audience. 14:38 paul_p kmkale, do you think attendees will be more "I don't nothing about OSS & Koha" or "I may be interested in Koha, let me know more" ? 14:37 kmkale #help gmcharlt to draft call for papers 14:37 mtj and teaching/encouraging libraries to attempt Koha install/migrations themselves 14:37 gmcharlt slef: I don't recall that the Texas conference had a particular theme, as such 14:36 kmkale spreading koha++ 14:36 slef do any of the archives offer us a neat overview of topics/themes discussed over the last year? 14:36 slef gmcharlt: we'd need library consultants to submit it, true 14:35 paul_p only 1 track, right = http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/KohaCon-2-3-Mai-2006-ENSMP-Demandez-le-programme-td3069529.html 14:35 slef paul_p: as in, serial sessions 14:35 mtj nice idea gmcharlt 14:35 kmkale aye spreading koha both to librarians and to developers 14:35 slef paul_p: do you mean 1 track? 14:34 paul_p We had only one large room, so I think it was only 1 14:34 gmcharlt another idea - spreading Koha; something aimed at convincing administrators to look at it 14:34 * slef has vague memories of passing out from the heat in the second session 14:34 slef paul_p: I thought there were 2? 14:34 mtj not really themes?, but some general ideas 14:34 gmcharlt customizing++ 14:34 slef customising++ 14:34 paul_p in Paris, we had only 1 session iirc 14:33 mtj customising opacs 14:33 mtj migrations, tuning, hosting 14:31 kmkale any ideas about themes? 14:30 kmkale and then decide on parallel sessions etc depending on number 14:30 kmkale then arrange what we get into sessions? 14:30 slef It depends on the audience and what comes in. 14:30 kmkale so lets say send out a call for papers and keynotes with a few themes? 14:29 kmkale great 14:29 gmcharlt and the KohaCon in Texas had two or three tracks, as I recall 14:29 kmkale did we have parallel sessions in prewvious kohacons? 14:29 gmcharlt the Evergreen conference, for instance, manages 3 tracks of sessions with about ~200 attendees 14:29 gmcharlt kmkale: I'd expect that would be quite likely (having parallel sessions) 14:28 kmkale paul_p: if we have enopugh attendees / speakers we can arrange for parallel sessions 14:28 paul_p or say speak 1, 2, 3 are done twice, so everyone will miss 1 (but just one) 14:28 paul_p could we have more presentations than slot & say ppl would have to decide between speak 1 and 2 ? 14:27 kmkale or call for papers and keynotes then arrange them into sessions? 14:27 slef or am I making this too complicated when there is less time than ideal? 14:27 slef first of all, call for keynotes, then arrange those into sessions and call for talks on each keynote theme? 14:27 slef how about... 14:26 kmkale do we propose a theme for papers in the call for papers? 14:26 kmkale gmcharlt: we may get many from India but with dodgy quality 14:26 slef gmcharlt: popularity_contests-- 14:26 kmkale thanks slef 14:26 gmcharlt this assumes, of course, that we get more presentations than slots, which is likely 14:25 slef kmkale: spelling error in http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration (should be participants, says dict) 14:25 kmkale aahh 14:25 kmkale at this stage lets get proposals in. then we form a comitee to have a look at whats good 14:25 gmcharlt kmkale: basically, solicit the presentations, then prior to the presentation, hold an open vote of the community to choose which presentations make it to the program 14:24 kmkale gmcharlt: ":code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals" how to? 14:24 slef kmkale: I would leave it pretty open, but warn there may be a review stage if there are far more talks than can be accommodated? 14:24 * kmkale sucks at writing stuff 14:24 kmkale slef: yep 14:24 slef kmkale: also call for help writing travel guides? 14:23 gmcharlt kmkale: if you're up to it, I'd like to suggest a code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals 14:23 kmkale slef: what do you propose? do we have a peer review kinda system? I think we should. 14:22 kmkale I have registrations working so shall we throw the registrations open and announce on the lists? http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration 14:22 slef kmkale: submission process needs configuring before the call goes out. 14:22 gmcharlt i.e, in the next couple hours 14:22 gmcharlt kmkale: OK, I'll send you something to look at later today 14:22 kmkale gmcharlt why not send it asap? 14:21 slef gmcharlt: http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/author/submit 14:21 gmcharlt slef: yep, most likely 14:21 kmkale gr8 gmcharlt++ 14:21 slef gmcharlt: update last year's? 14:21 gmcharlt when do you need it? 14:21 gmcharlt kmkale: I can write a draft 14:21 kmkale ok that brings us to call for papers. can anyone help in writing it? 14:20 kmkale with a 15 mins tea/coffee break plus an hours lunch break 14:20 slef kmkale: I'd wait and see if lightnings are one per session or best all together. Probably depends what comes in. 14:19 kmkale and close time 4.30 ok? 14:19 kmkale start time 9.30 ok? 14:19 wahanui1 5 14:19 paul_p 4 or 5 ? 14:18 kmkale am i correct in my additions? 14:18 kmkale that gives us a target of 4 presentations per day plus one key note and one lightning talk 14:17 paul_p +5mn move your body to the next conf room ;-) 14:17 mtj me too :) 14:17 paul_p kmkale, ++ too 14:17 gmcharlt kmkale: sounds good to me 14:17 kmkale each presentation to be of 45 mins with a 10 mins q&a ?? 14:16 slef ? 14:16 slef 45 usually, some other options in special sessions 14:16 kmkale talk time duration? 14:16 slef not sure if anyone except the English ever played football in cricket stadiums much :) 14:16 atz lightning talk format was highly valuable at code4lib (again) this year. 14:16 kmkale so lets say 1 plenary / keynote per 1/2 day session and or a talk session 14:15 gmcharlt kmkale: good to know :) 14:15 kmkale cricket 14:15 kmkale its crecket here gmcharlt 14:15 gmcharlt kmkale: we'd need to add in some football sessions as well if we end up in the stadium ;) 14:14 kmkale if you have seen the map link there is a stadium nearby. I will have to apply to the municipal commissioner then for special permission ;) 14:14 paul_p we can also have some lightning talks 14:14 slef #link http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/ToDo 14:14 kmkale :) 14:14 paul_p kmkale, remember your goal is 18k attendees :D 14:13 kmkale s/2000/200 14:13 kmkale sorry make that 200 14:13 kmkale paul_p: yes if we have more than 2000 attendees and enough speakers 14:13 paul_p gmcharlt, ++ 14:13 gmcharlt (assuming that geographic distance between the session rooms matters in this case) 14:13 kmkale talk sessions ++ 14:13 paul_p if we have maaannnyyy attendees, do you plan to have sessions splitted in 2 (10:00 speech A in room X and speech B in room Y, then 11:00, repeat). Thus audience would be splitted in 2 14:12 gmcharlt 45 including Q+A, scheduled on hourly boundaries to allow time to move between sessions 14:12 kmkale can be 1 hr. then we can take lesser presentations. IMHO all depends on number of presenters we get. Good papers that is 14:12 slef gmcharlt: 45 including Q+A or 45+? 14:12 gmcharlt one thing I would like to suggest is scheduling one or two lightening talk sessions 14:12 kmkale its for us to suggest / decide 14:12 paul_p gmcharlt++ => 45 is better, 30 is workable. 14:11 gmcharlt 30 minutes can be workable, though 14:11 gmcharlt 30 minute per session is a bit short in my experience, - 45 is more common 14:11 paul_p ;-) 14:11 kmkale yes a tea coffee break in the middle of morning and afternoon halfs? can do 14:11 slef Never trust my memory. Let that be a lesson to you. 14:11 slef I was wrong :) 14:11 paul_p http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/day1.html => 1 hour for each speaker usually 14:11 paul_p kmkale, I mean a small break at 10 and at 15 (for example) 14:11 kmkale with a 4.30 close gives us plenty of socializing opp 14:10 kmkale paul_p: yes a hours lunch break at say 12.30 or 1 pm 14:10 paul_p (off is as important as ON ;-) ) 14:10 kmkale with 30 mins sessions that gives us 12 sessions a day 14:10 paul_p (socializing++ ++ during KohaCon !!!) 14:09 slef maybe some people would like to do 15+5 talk+Q and some 5+5 or 50+10, but should we have 25+5 as the default? 14:09 paul_p do you plan to do a break in the middle of each day ? it's a good idea imho 14:09 kmkale with an hours lunch break 14:08 kmkale lets say 9.30 am to 4.30 pm day 14:08 mtj hi folks, running a little late… 14:08 kmkale depending on how many presentations we get 14:08 slef I think most at '10 were 30mins 14:07 slef Sorry, I thought a proposal about the format would include that. 14:07 kmkale paul_p: suggest time duration be as per presentation 14:07 kmkale start end times are up to us. can be anything 14:07 paul_p I think longer sessions, but less sessions is better. 14:07 slef as in how many presentations per session? 14:07 paul_p kmkale, I think sessions of 15mn is really short. 14:06 slef What are the start/end times of days? 14:05 kmkale what say? 14:05 kmkale 1 plenary on pre decided topic and speaker per session 14:05 kmkale each session of presentations of 15 mins followed by 5 mins q & a 14:04 kmkale 2 sessions per day with lubnch break between them 14:04 kmkale I have a proposal from VPM people about the format of conference day's 14:03 kmkale that leaves programm development, scheduling, format etc 14:02 kmkale we have organized sub comitees for accommodation, travel assistance, venue organization, food, sponsorships 14:01 kmkale Let me give a summary of what we are doing at VPM 14:01 kmkale thanks slef 14:01 paul_p so what's need to be done is different on those 3 parts 14:01 paul_p and I feel we could/should have 3 parts in fact : user conf / new developers conf / hackers conf (new developers interested staying for hackers conf if they want) 14:00 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon10_Plan#To_Do_List 14:00 paul_p kmkale, yes, thx. The 2 parts are really differents (conf & hackfest) 14:00 * magnuse Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (mostly lurking) 13:59 kmkale paul_p: you having one of two to have attended all kohacon's, would you like to elaborate on "What needs to be done" 13:58 * druthb == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. 13:58 paul_p paul_p, BibLibre 13:58 kmkale #topic What needs to be done 13:58 kmkale :) 13:57 paul_p kmkale, yep 13:57 gmcharlt kmkale: yep 13:57 kmkale gmcharlt paul_p mtj around? 13:56 * atz Joe Atzberger, State Library of Ohio 13:55 * slef = MJ Ray, undef, software.coop 13:55 kmkale Koustubha Kale VPM, Thane, Anant Corporation, Granthalaya.org Kohacon 11 organizer 13:55 kmkale #topic introductions 13:54 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers 13:54 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:54 huginn Meeting started Tue Mar 8 14:01:55 2011 UTC. The chair is kmkale. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:54 kmkale #startmeeting 13:54 slef kmkale: waiting for you... 13:53 LastBoyScout we can preview fine 13:53 LastBoyScout when we click on import 13:53 magnuse LastBoyScout: when do you get the error? when you preview the record, when you click on import, when you save the record from the "marc editor" in koha? 13:53 LastBoyScout which is why i suspect a CPAN module 13:53 kmkale hey shall we start the kohacon volunteers meeting? 13:52 LastBoyScout it's definitely a problem on our end - not the MARC record 13:52 magnuse LastBoyScout: the second one works fine for me 13:52 LastBoyScout Indeed 13:51 * jcamins loses his voice abruptly 13:50 magnuse and your example 2 comes from LOC? 13:49 LastBoyScout I have not successfully debugged the reason 13:49 LastBoyScout SOME we can 13:49 LastBoyScout Sure, we just can't import the search result 13:48 magnuse hehe... but in my experience searching with z39.50, importing and saving puts the record in the catalogue proper, not in the reservoir... 13:46 LastBoyScout maybe we're just lucky / unlucky :) 13:45 LastBoyScout When we've made a successful search using a z39.50 server, all results are stored in the reservoir 13:45 jwagner FYI as a matter of general interest -- from the Unicorn admin listserv, a site to automatically generate a call number cutter: http://calculate.alptown.com/search.html 13:44 magnuse LastBoyScout: afaik the reservoir only comes into the picture when you use the "Stage MARC records for import" tool? 13:43 LastBoyScout Ranji tried helping last night and we eliminated the encoding option set for the z39.50 server and it does not seem to be because of diacriticals 13:42 LastBoyScout same error 13:42 LastBoyScout I have tried importing the search reseult directly or from the reservoir 13:42 LastBoyScout It's in the reservoir after searching using the z39.50 server 13:41 magnuse LastBoyScout: what do you mean in your reservoir? i thought you said you were copy cataloguing with z39.50? 13:41 LastBoyScout Here's a second record, different z39.50 server, same error 13:41 pastebot "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 2 - McKinsey's Marvin Bower : Edersheim, Elizabeth Haas. - z3950.loc.gov" (51 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170 13:38 LastBoyScout The record is in our reservoir, but gives the error on attempt to import 13:37 LastBoyScout Hi Magnuse - pasted first example 13:36 pastebot "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 1 - Binge trading : Freedman, Seth. zconn.lib.monash.edu.au" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/169 13:32 kmkale hi paul_p 13:32 paul_p hello kmkale & al 13:29 magnuse :-) 13:29 kf hi kmkale_a :) 13:29 kf hi magnuse :) 13:03 magnuse guten tag kf 13:03 magnuse LastBoyScout: could you give a concrete example where you get the error - which source, which search, which record? 12:59 kmkale_a heya kf 12:56 kf hi jwagner :) 12:55 jwagner hi kf 12:53 kf hi #koha 12:49 LastBoyScout This error has appeared on the internet a number of times through the years (as per Google search) but I can't find any note of the solution 12:47 jcamins None that I know of, anyway. 12:46 LastBoyScout ARe there any known issues with some of the CPAN MARC modules? 12:46 LastBoyScout I suspect this may be an issue with CPAN loaded perl modules conflicting with KOHA - as it was working perfectly 12:45 jcamins Hm. I've used LOC without any problems. 12:45 LastBoyScout I've tried a few, but predominantly LOC and Monash 12:45 JesseM morning #Koha 12:45 LastBoyScout I have explored whether this is a encoding issue (tried changing the z39.50 server config) 12:44 jcamins Where are you importing from? 12:44 LastBoyScout All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 151 12:44 LastBoyScout I'm getting the following error on SOME z39.50 imports 12:44 LastBoyScout Thanks. Running Koha 3.2.5 12:43 jcamins LastBoyScout: ask your question, and if anyone can help, s/he will. 12:41 LastBoyScout hey people. Anyone able to help a desperate koha user with z39.50 MARC import errors? 12:38 huginn druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 12:38 druthb @quote get 102 12:37 nengard druthb is a rockstar! 12:36 druthb next time someone says something of the form "druthb is <foo>", it'll remember that. Brooke_ seems to come up with clever things to tell it about me. 12:35 nengard :( 12:33 wahanui1 druthb: I forgot druthb 12:33 druthb wahanui: forget druthb 12:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5478 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Automate MARC framework import/export 12:33 nengard ooooo -- gonna test me bug 5478 12:32 nengard hehe 12:32 druthb lordy. 12:32 wahanui1 jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. 12:32 druthb wahanui: jcamins? 12:32 nengard too 12:32 nengard but it says that you fit in with us - so that means i'm insane to 12:31 jcamins *Hello 12:31 druthb nope...it said I was. 12:31 nengard LOL 12:31 jcamins nengard: no, that's druthb. 12:31 jcamins Hell, #koha. 12:31 nengard wait a second - did that bot just say I'm insane??? 12:31 nengard not really so much anymore ... she's more a writer for Koha 12:31 wahanui1 i guess druthb is quite possibly insane, but she fits right in at ByWater Solutions, because of it. 12:31 druthb wahanui: druthb? 12:31 wahanui1 nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ 12:31 druthb wahanui: nengard? 12:29 wahanui1 salut, nengard 12:29 nengard hello 12:02 LastBoyScout hello all 07:41 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:40 paul_p hello world ! 07:23 mtj http://www.avclub.com/articles/new-fastfood-roundup-taco-bell-beefy-crunch-burrit,52698/ 06:51 wizzyrea hrm, i'll just send it to him on facebook 06:50 mtj wizzyrea: cant see it on #koha 06:49 wizzyrea anybody remember magnus's new nick? 06:44 kmkale bbl 06:24 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 06:24 wizzyrea @later tell cait i'm confused, why don't we want to see the sql statement on the guided report results? 06:24 wizzyrea cait... o bother. just missed her 05:47 kmkale "An error occured during verification of the OpenID URL. " 05:44 cait hi kmkale :) 05:44 kmkale hi cait 05:44 kmkale I could login using the password alright 05:43 kmkale could be; its google 05:43 wizzyrea who are you using? 05:43 wizzyrea endpoint 05:43 wizzyrea maybe it's your openid 05:43 wizzyrea hmm mine's working 05:42 wizzyrea :( bummer 05:42 kmkale aye wizzyrea 05:42 wizzyrea of course he is :) 05:42 wahanui1 i guess kmkale is right 05:42 wizzyrea kmkale? 05:41 wizzyrea you are logging in here? 05:41 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:OpenIDLogin&returnto=Main_Page 05:41 wizzyrea there's a special link for openid 05:28 kmkale can't login to wiki with openid :( 03:56 Guest3933 , 02:27 kmkale time to go to office. bbl 02:27 mtj wizzyrea: ah, ok - keep me posted you you need a hand, etc... 02:26 kmkale yup. :) 02:26 mtj hey kmkale, looks like we will finally meet in thane :) 02:25 wizzyrea it's still in progress 02:25 kmkale hi mtj 02:25 mtj back to reports, for me... 02:25 mtj hope it went well 02:24 wizzyrea indeed :) 02:24 mtj a recent upgrade? 02:24 wizzyrea definitely 02:24 mtj a busy week for NEKLS? 02:22 mtj heya girl 02:21 wizzyrea hi mtj 02:20 mtj heya folks 02:20 wizzyrea hello :D 02:20 kmkale hi wizzyrea 02:20 wizzyrea Namaskar kmkale 02:20 kmkale Namaskar #koha 01:47 schuster chris_n - are you thinking about coming to Madison Wisconsin for the KUDOS Conference?