Time  Nick         Message
01:47 schuster     chris_n - are you thinking about coming to Madison Wisconsin for the KUDOS Conference?
02:20 kmkale       Namaskar #koha
02:20 wizzyrea     Namaskar kmkale
02:20 kmkale       hi wizzyrea
02:20 wizzyrea     hello :D
02:20 mtj          heya folks
02:21 wizzyrea     hi mtj
02:22 mtj          heya girl
02:24 mtj          a busy week for NEKLS?
02:24 wizzyrea     definitely
02:24 mtj          a recent upgrade?
02:24 wizzyrea     indeed :)
02:25 mtj          hope it went well
02:25 mtj          back to reports, for me...
02:25 kmkale       hi mtj
02:25 wizzyrea     it's still in progress
02:26 mtj          hey kmkale, looks like we will finally meet in thane :)
02:26 kmkale       yup. :)
02:27 mtj          wizzyrea: ah, ok - keep me posted you you need a hand, etc...
02:27 kmkale       time to go to office. bbl
03:56 Guest3933    ,
05:28 kmkale       can't login to wiki with openid :(
05:41 wizzyrea     there's a special link for openid
05:41 wizzyrea     http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:OpenIDLogin&returnto=Main_Page
05:41 wizzyrea     you are logging in here?
05:42 wizzyrea     kmkale?
05:42 wahanui1     i guess kmkale is right
05:42 wizzyrea     of course he is :)
05:42 kmkale       aye wizzyrea
05:42 wizzyrea     :( bummer
05:43 wizzyrea     hmm mine's working
05:43 wizzyrea     maybe it's your openid
05:43 wizzyrea     endpoint
05:43 wizzyrea     who are you using?
05:43 kmkale       could be; its google
05:44 kmkale       I could login using the password alright
05:44 kmkale       hi cait
05:44 cait         hi kmkale :)
05:47 kmkale       "An error occured during verification of the OpenID URL. "
06:24 wizzyrea     cait... o bother. just missed her
06:24 wizzyrea     @later tell cait i'm confused, why don't we want to see the sql statement on the guided report results?
06:24 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
06:44 kmkale       bbl
06:49 wizzyrea     anybody remember magnus's new nick?
06:50 mtj          wizzyrea: cant see it on #koha
06:51 wizzyrea     hrm, i'll just send it to him on facebook
07:23 mtj          http://www.avclub.com/articles/new-fastfood-roundup-taco-bell-beefy-crunch-burrit,52698/
07:40 paul_p       hello world !
07:41 magnuse      bonjour paul_p
12:02 LastBoyScout hello all
12:29 nengard      hello
12:29 wahanui1     salut, nengard
12:31 druthb       wahanui: nengard?
12:31 wahanui1     nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/
12:31 druthb       wahanui: druthb?
12:31 wahanui1     i guess druthb is quite possibly insane, but she fits right in at ByWater Solutions, because of it.
12:31 nengard      not really so much anymore ... she's more a writer for Koha
12:31 nengard      wait a second - did that bot just say I'm insane???
12:31 jcamins      Hell, #koha.
12:31 jcamins      nengard: no, that's druthb.
12:31 nengard      LOL
12:31 druthb       nope...it said I was.
12:31 jcamins      *Hello
12:32 nengard      but it says that you fit in with us - so that means i'm insane to
12:32 nengard      too
12:32 druthb       wahanui: jcamins?
12:32 wahanui1     jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
12:32 druthb       lordy.
12:32 nengard      hehe
12:33 nengard      ooooo -- gonna test me bug 5478
12:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5478 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Automate MARC framework import/export
12:33 druthb       wahanui:  forget druthb
12:33 wahanui1     druthb: I forgot druthb
12:35 nengard      :(
12:36 druthb       next time someone says something of the form "druthb is <foo>", it'll remember that.  Brooke_ seems to come up with clever things to tell it about me.
12:37 nengard      druthb is a rockstar!
12:38 druthb       @quote get 102
12:38 huginn       druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
12:41 LastBoyScout hey people. Anyone able to help a desperate koha user with z39.50 MARC import errors?
12:43 jcamins      LastBoyScout: ask your question, and if anyone can help, s/he will.
12:44 LastBoyScout Thanks. Running Koha 3.2.5
12:44 LastBoyScout I'm getting the following error on SOME z39.50 imports
12:44 LastBoyScout All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 151
12:44 jcamins      Where are you importing from?
12:45 LastBoyScout I have explored whether this is a encoding issue (tried changing the z39.50 server config)
12:45 JesseM       morning #Koha
12:45 LastBoyScout I've tried a few, but predominantly LOC and Monash
12:45 jcamins      Hm. I've used LOC without any problems.
12:46 LastBoyScout I suspect this may be an issue with CPAN loaded perl modules conflicting with KOHA - as it was working perfectly
12:46 LastBoyScout ARe there any known issues with some of the CPAN MARC modules?
12:47 jcamins      None that I know of, anyway.
12:49 LastBoyScout This error has appeared on the internet a number of times through the years (as per Google search) but I can't find any note of the solution
12:53 kf           hi #koha
12:55 jwagner      hi kf
12:56 kf           hi jwagner :)
12:59 kmkale_a     heya kf
13:03 magnuse      LastBoyScout: could you give a concrete example where you get the error - which source, which search, which record?
13:03 magnuse      guten tag kf
13:29 kf           hi magnuse :)
13:29 kf           hi kmkale_a :)
13:29 magnuse      :-)
13:32 paul_p       hello kmkale & al
13:32 kmkale       hi paul_p
13:36 pastebot     "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 1 - Binge trading : Freedman, Seth. zconn.lib.monash.edu.au" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/169
13:37 LastBoyScout Hi Magnuse - pasted first example
13:38 LastBoyScout The record is in our reservoir, but gives the error on attempt to import
13:41 pastebot     "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 2 - McKinsey's Marvin Bower : Edersheim, Elizabeth Haas. - z3950.loc.gov" (51 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170
13:41 LastBoyScout Here's a second record, different z39.50 server, same error
13:41 magnuse      LastBoyScout: what do you mean in your reservoir? i thought you said you were copy cataloguing with z39.50?
13:42 LastBoyScout It's in the reservoir after searching using the z39.50 server
13:42 LastBoyScout I have tried importing the search reseult directly or from the reservoir
13:42 LastBoyScout same error
13:43 LastBoyScout Ranji tried helping last night and we eliminated the encoding option set for the z39.50 server and it does not seem to be because of diacriticals
13:44 magnuse      LastBoyScout: afaik the reservoir only comes into the picture when you use the "Stage MARC records for import" tool?
13:45 jwagner      FYI as a matter of general interest -- from the Unicorn admin listserv, a site to automatically generate a call number cutter: http://calculate.alptown.com/search.html
13:45 LastBoyScout When we've made a successful search using a z39.50 server, all results are stored in the reservoir
13:46 LastBoyScout maybe we're just lucky / unlucky :)
13:48 magnuse      hehe... but in my experience searching with z39.50, importing and saving puts the record in the catalogue proper, not in the reservoir...
13:49 LastBoyScout Sure, we just can't import the search result
13:49 LastBoyScout SOME we can
13:49 LastBoyScout I have not successfully debugged the reason
13:50 magnuse      and your example 2 comes from LOC?
13:51 * jcamins    loses his voice abruptly
13:52 LastBoyScout Indeed
13:52 magnuse      LastBoyScout: the second one works fine for me
13:52 LastBoyScout it's definitely a problem on our end - not the MARC record
13:53 kmkale       hey shall we start the kohacon volunteers meeting?
13:53 LastBoyScout which is why i suspect a CPAN module
13:53 magnuse      LastBoyScout: when do you get the error? when you preview the record, when you click on import, when you save the record from the "marc editor" in koha?
13:53 LastBoyScout when we click on import
13:53 LastBoyScout we can preview fine
13:54 slef         kmkale: waiting for you...
13:54 kmkale       #startmeeting
13:54 huginn       Meeting started Tue Mar  8 14:01:55 2011 UTC.  The chair is kmkale. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:54 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
13:54 slef         #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers
13:55 kmkale       #topic introductions
13:55 kmkale       Koustubha Kale VPM, Thane, Anant Corporation, Granthalaya.org Kohacon 11 organizer
13:55 * slef       = MJ Ray, undef, software.coop
13:56 * atz        Joe Atzberger, State Library of Ohio
13:57 kmkale       gmcharlt paul_p mtj around?
13:57 gmcharlt     kmkale: yep
13:57 paul_p       kmkale, yep
13:58 kmkale       :)
13:58 kmkale       #topic What needs to be done
13:58 paul_p       paul_p, BibLibre
13:58 * druthb     == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions.
13:59 kmkale       paul_p: you having one of two to have attended all kohacon's, would you like to elaborate on "What needs to be done"
14:00 * magnuse    Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (mostly lurking)
14:00 paul_p       kmkale, yes, thx. The 2 parts are really differents (conf & hackfest)
14:00 slef         #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon10_Plan#To_Do_List
14:01 paul_p       and I feel we could/should have 3 parts in fact : user conf / new developers conf / hackers conf (new developers interested staying for hackers conf if they want)
14:01 paul_p       so what's need to be done is different on those 3 parts
14:01 kmkale       thanks slef
14:01 kmkale       Let me give a summary of what we are doing at VPM
14:02 kmkale       we have organized sub comitees for accommodation, travel assistance, venue organization, food, sponsorships
14:03 kmkale       that leaves programm development, scheduling, format etc
14:04 kmkale       I have a proposal from VPM people about the format of conference day's
14:04 kmkale       2 sessions per day with lubnch break between them
14:05 kmkale       each session of presentations of 15 mins followed by 5 mins q & a
14:05 kmkale       1 plenary on pre decided topic and speaker per session
14:05 kmkale       what say?
14:06 slef         What are the start/end times of days?
14:07 paul_p       kmkale, I think sessions of 15mn is really short.
14:07 slef         as in how many presentations per session?
14:07 paul_p       I think longer sessions, but less sessions is better.
14:07 kmkale       start end times are up to us. can be anything
14:07 kmkale       paul_p: suggest time duration be as per presentation
14:07 slef         Sorry, I thought a proposal about the format would include that.
14:08 slef         I think most at '10 were 30mins
14:08 kmkale       depending on how many presentations we get
14:08 mtj          hi folks, running a little late…
14:08 kmkale       lets say 9.30 am to 4.30 pm day
14:09 kmkale       with an hours lunch break
14:09 paul_p       do you plan to do a break in the middle of each day ? it's a good idea imho
14:09 slef         maybe some people would like to do 15+5 talk+Q and some 5+5 or 50+10, but should we have 25+5 as the default?
14:10 paul_p       (socializing++ ++ during KohaCon !!!)
14:10 kmkale       with 30 mins sessions that gives us 12 sessions a day
14:10 paul_p       (off is as important as ON ;-) )
14:10 kmkale       paul_p: yes a hours lunch break at say 12.30 or 1 pm
14:11 kmkale       with a 4.30 close gives us plenty of socializing opp
14:11 paul_p       kmkale, I mean a small break at 10 and at 15 (for example)
14:11 paul_p       http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/day1.html => 1 hour for each speaker usually
14:11 slef         I was wrong :)
14:11 slef         Never trust my memory. Let that be a lesson to you.
14:11 kmkale       yes a tea coffee break in the  middle of morning and afternoon halfs? can do
14:11 paul_p       ;-)
14:11 gmcharlt     30 minute per session is a bit short in my experience, - 45 is more common
14:11 gmcharlt     30 minutes can be workable, though
14:12 paul_p       gmcharlt++ => 45 is better, 30 is workable.
14:12 kmkale       its for us to suggest / decide
14:12 gmcharlt     one thing I would like to suggest is scheduling one or two lightening talk sessions
14:12 slef         gmcharlt: 45 including Q+A or 45+?
14:12 kmkale       can be 1 hr. then we can take lesser presentations. IMHO all depends on number of presenters we get. Good papers that is
14:12 gmcharlt     45 including Q+A, scheduled on hourly boundaries to allow time to move between sessions
14:13 paul_p       if we have maaannnyyy attendees, do you plan to have sessions splitted in 2 (10:00 speech A in room X and speech B in room Y, then 11:00, repeat). Thus audience would be splitted in 2
14:13 kmkale       talk sessions ++
14:13 gmcharlt     (assuming that geographic distance between the session rooms matters in this case)
14:13 paul_p       gmcharlt, ++
14:13 kmkale       paul_p: yes if we have more than 2000 attendees and enough speakers
14:13 kmkale       sorry make that 200
14:13 kmkale       s/2000/200
14:14 paul_p       kmkale, remember your goal is 18k attendees :D
14:14 kmkale       :)
14:14 slef         #link http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/ToDo
14:14 paul_p       we can also have some lightning talks
14:14 kmkale       if you have seen the map link there is a stadium nearby. I will have to apply to the municipal commissioner then for special permission ;)
14:15 gmcharlt     kmkale: we'd need to add in some football sessions as well if we end up in the stadium ;)
14:15 kmkale       its crecket here gmcharlt
14:15 kmkale       cricket
14:15 gmcharlt     kmkale: good to know :)
14:16 kmkale       so lets say 1 plenary / keynote per 1/2 day session and or a talk session
14:16 atz          lightning talk format was highly valuable at code4lib (again) this year.
14:16 slef         not sure if anyone except the English ever played football in cricket stadiums much :)
14:16 kmkale       talk time duration?
14:16 slef         45 usually, some other options in special sessions
14:16 slef         ?
14:17 kmkale       each presentation to be of 45 mins with a 10 mins q&a ??
14:17 gmcharlt     kmkale: sounds good to me
14:17 paul_p       kmkale, ++ too
14:17 mtj          me too :)
14:17 paul_p       +5mn move your body to the next conf room ;-)
14:18 kmkale       that gives us a target of 4 presentations per day plus one key note and one lightning talk
14:18 kmkale       am i correct in my additions?
14:19 paul_p       4 or 5 ?
14:19 wahanui1     5
14:19 kmkale       start time 9.30 ok?
14:19 kmkale       and close time 4.30 ok?
14:20 slef         kmkale: I'd wait and see if lightnings are one per session or best all together. Probably depends what comes in.
14:20 kmkale       with a 15 mins tea/coffee break plus an hours lunch break
14:21 kmkale       ok that brings us to call for papers. can anyone help in writing it?
14:21 gmcharlt     kmkale: I can write a draft
14:21 gmcharlt     when do you need it?
14:21 slef         gmcharlt: update last year's?
14:21 kmkale       gr8 gmcharlt++
14:21 gmcharlt     slef: yep, most likely
14:21 slef         gmcharlt: http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/author/submit
14:22 kmkale       gmcharlt why not send it asap?
14:22 gmcharlt     kmkale: OK, I'll send you something to look at later today
14:22 gmcharlt     i.e, in the next couple hours
14:22 slef         kmkale: submission process needs configuring before the call goes out.
14:22 kmkale       I have registrations working so shall we throw the registrations open and announce on the lists? http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration
14:23 kmkale       slef: what do you propose? do we have a peer review kinda system? I think we should.
14:23 gmcharlt     kmkale: if you're up to it, I'd like to suggest a code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals
14:24 slef         kmkale: also call for help writing travel guides?
14:24 kmkale       slef: yep
14:24 * kmkale     sucks at writing stuff
14:24 slef         kmkale: I would leave it pretty open, but warn there may be a review stage if there are far more talks than can be accommodated?
14:24 kmkale       gmcharlt: ":code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals" how to?
14:25 gmcharlt     kmkale: basically, solicit the presentations, then prior to the presentation, hold an open vote of the community to choose which presentations make it to the program
14:25 kmkale       at this stage lets get proposals in. then we form a comitee to have a look at whats good
14:25 kmkale       aahh
14:25 slef         kmkale: spelling error in http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration (should be participants, says dict)
14:26 gmcharlt     this assumes, of course, that we get more presentations than slots, which is likely
14:26 kmkale       thanks slef
14:26 slef         gmcharlt: popularity_contests--
14:26 kmkale       gmcharlt: we may get many from India but with dodgy quality
14:26 kmkale       do we propose a theme for papers in the call for papers?
14:27 slef         how about...
14:27 slef         first of all, call for keynotes, then arrange those into sessions and call for talks on each keynote theme?
14:27 slef         or am I making this too complicated when there is less time than ideal?
14:27 kmkale       or call for papers and keynotes then arrange them into sessions?
14:28 paul_p       could we have more presentations than slot & say ppl would have to decide between speak 1 and 2 ?
14:28 paul_p       or say speak 1, 2, 3 are done twice, so everyone will miss 1 (but just one)
14:28 kmkale       paul_p: if we have enopugh attendees / speakers we can arrange for parallel sessions
14:29 gmcharlt     kmkale: I'd expect that would be quite likely (having parallel sessions)
14:29 gmcharlt     the Evergreen conference, for instance, manages 3 tracks of sessions with about ~200 attendees
14:29 kmkale       did we have parallel sessions in prewvious kohacons?
14:29 gmcharlt     and the KohaCon in Texas had two or three tracks, as I recall
14:29 kmkale       great
14:30 kmkale       so lets say send out a call for papers and keynotes with a few themes?
14:30 slef         It depends on the audience and what comes in.
14:30 kmkale       then arrange what we get into sessions?
14:30 kmkale       and then decide on parallel sessions etc depending on number
14:31 kmkale       any ideas about themes?
14:33 mtj          migrations, tuning, hosting
14:33 mtj          customising opacs
14:34 paul_p       in Paris, we had only 1 session iirc
14:34 slef         customising++
14:34 gmcharlt     customizing++
14:34 mtj          not really themes?, but some general ideas
14:34 slef         paul_p: I thought there were 2?
14:34 * slef       has vague memories of passing out from the heat in the second session
14:34 gmcharlt     another idea - spreading Koha; something aimed at convincing administrators to look at it
14:34 paul_p       We had only one large room, so I think it was only 1
14:35 slef         paul_p: do you mean 1 track?
14:35 kmkale       aye spreading koha both to librarians and to developers
14:35 mtj          nice idea gmcharlt
14:35 slef         paul_p: as in, serial sessions
14:35 paul_p       only 1 track, right = http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/KohaCon-2-3-Mai-2006-ENSMP-Demandez-le-programme-td3069529.html
14:36 slef         gmcharlt: we'd need library consultants to submit it, true
14:36 slef         do any of the archives offer us a neat overview of topics/themes discussed over the last year?
14:36 kmkale       spreading koha++
14:37 gmcharlt     slef: I don't recall that the Texas conference had a particular theme, as such
14:37 mtj          and teaching/encouraging libraries to attempt Koha install/migrations themselves
14:37 kmkale       #help gmcharlt to draft call for papers
14:38 paul_p       kmkale, do you think attendees will be more "I don't nothing about OSS & Koha" or "I may be interested in Koha, let me know more" ?
14:38 paul_p       the programme would/could be different depending on the expected audience.
14:38 slef         mtj: I'm unsure of that, for more than the obvious reason (my sales), because it risks koha becoming seen as more for those who want to try DIY
14:38 kmkale       paul_p: attendees will be interested in Koha, let me know more
14:39 paul_p       kmkale, in Paris, day 1 was for full-newbies day 2 was "I already use or plan to use Koha, tell me more"
14:39 slef         mtj: but definitely a more mainstream intro to the liveCD and virtual machine versions would be good.
14:39 kmkale       paul_p: koha awareness is quite high
14:39 slef         mtj: I think there was a cloud/VM type intro in hackfest, but not in con?
14:40 kmkale       somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev
14:40 kmkale       or was it for the hackfest?
14:40 mtj          kmkale: hackfest i think
14:41 slef         I guess a session on community participation for the masses (bug reporting demo, RFC demo, ...) might be good, if we get talks offered?
14:41 kmkale       anyone interested in helping with the site http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs
14:41 kmkale       ?
14:41 mtj          kohacon10 hackfest
14:41 kmkale       yes slef good idea
14:41 kmkale       i can give access to the site
14:41 slef         kmkale: what sort of help? I'm now registered, thank you for the change.
14:42 kmkale       I have put several placeholders in the site where I dont know what text to put
14:44 gmcharlt     slef: +1 # community participation session
14:45 paul_p       do we switch to the 2nd part of the KohaCon now ? (not clear to me)
14:45 slef         kmkale: I'm happy to admin following requests from people, but I'd rather not lead any task just now if anyone else wants to do it (I have some local elections in May and July).
14:45 slef         paul_p: 2nd part of the KohaCon?
14:45 paul_p       ie: do we speak of the 2nd part?
14:46 paul_p       (sorry, i've a meeting in // ...)
14:46 kmkale       slef: I will give you access.
14:46 slef         paul_p: define "2nd part"?
14:46 slef         hackfest?
14:46 paul_p       slef, the hackfest/developer part
14:46 paul_p       yep
14:46 paul_p       somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev
14:46 paul_p       or was it for the hackfest?
14:46 paul_p       => kmkale few mn ago
14:47 slef         paul_p: not specifically AIUI we're talking about general organisation
14:47 kmkale       everyone please go through the site and let me know any text changes etc.
14:48 kmkale       anyone wants rights on conf management in OCS let me know
14:48 kmkale       paul_p: move on to hackfest?
14:50 paul_p       kmkale, you decide, if you think you've informations you need/want for the 1st part ;-)
14:50 mtj          kmkale: i now have an ocs account , will do…
14:50 kmkale       to summarize 1st part lets send out call for papers, open registrations, review papers as they come in, after a while start thinking about organizing sessions
14:51 kmkale       get help in travel guides
14:51 kmkale       from different parts of the world
14:52 kmkale       decide on keynote themes
14:52 kmkale       did i miss out anything?
14:53 kmkale       next meeting I will report progress from our sub comitees
14:53 kmkale       one more thing how about a call for sponsors?
14:53 slef         kmkale++
14:53 slef         can ocs help with that?
14:54 kmkale       ocshttp://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/about/organizingTeam
14:54 kmkale       has a section on sponsors
14:55 kmkale       & anather on sources of support
14:55 slef         could I add Registration Type: Prospective-Sponsor, perhaps?
14:55 kmkale       but thats just text
14:55 kmkale       actual work has to be done by us :)
14:55 paul_p       kmkale, you can also ask or suggest about sociolizing time (what to do after each day ?)
14:55 kmkale       slef: good idea
14:56 kmkale       paul_p: good idea. so i can come up with a list of places to visit, shopping, get together, dinner etc etc
14:57 slef         kmkale: ok, I will add that when I have ocs admin.
14:57 kmkale       slef:++
14:57 paul_p       kmkale, do you plan to organize something ? in Texas, there was a baseball match, in NZ a maori experience,...
14:58 kmkale       planning on a day trip to Mumbai
14:58 paul_p       (everybody pays for this event, but you organize)
14:58 paul_p       kmkale, great !
14:58 slef         Sorry but I am going to have to leave in about 5min
14:59 kmkale       paul_p: hackfest discussion now?
14:59 mtj          mumbai trip sounds great
14:59 paul_p       kmkale, if you want.
15:00 kmkale       take it away paul_p
15:00 paul_p       (I repeat what I already have said) my strong opinion is that we must have 2 different parts: one to help ppl learning how to hack, and one for hacking
15:01 kmkale       length pf hackfest?
15:01 paul_p       both are equally important.
15:01 kmkale       learn to hack++
15:01 paul_p       kmkale, as long as possible 3days not enough according to me
15:01 kmkale       we can organize let hackers say how long they want
15:01 paul_p       2 days learning to hack, then 3 days hack would be perfect !
15:02 kmkale       paul_p: including weekends or excluding
15:02 kmkale       ?
15:03 paul_p       excluding
15:03 paul_p       ++ to have some rest during the we
15:03 kmkale       ok so 31st oct is monday
15:03 paul_p       experimented in NZ = everybody was toooooo tired on hackfect day 3 !
15:03 kmkale       so mon, tue, wed conference proper
15:03 paul_p       in France, wk 1 = conf, then we, then wk2 = hackers
15:03 kmkale       thursday mumbai trip
15:04 kmkale       fri, sat learn to hack
15:04 kmkale       sun rest
15:04 kmkale       mon, tue, wed hack
15:04 kmkale       ??
15:04 paul_p       sounds really good !
15:04 kmkale       in all 10 days
15:05 kmkale       can hackfest stuff be done in a classroom of say 30 ppl?
15:06 mtj          yeah, i think so
15:06 paul_p       kmkale, I feel yes
15:06 kmkale       cool then we have many
15:06 paul_p       but if you get 18k attendees, you may get 300 developers ;-)
15:07 paul_p       in France we were 15, in Texas about 15, in NZ about 15 too !
15:07 kmkale       hehe if that happens paul_p then biblibre better bring all its developers to teach parallel learn to hack sessions :)
15:08 paul_p       lol
15:09 kmkale       shall we toss around the hackfest discussion on thge lists so that we get more opinions? people really may not have 10 days
15:09 paul_p       kmkale, if you pay the trip to all of us, then we could all come ;-)
15:09 slef         I'm mobile so sorry for late/intermittent comments: remember that each extra day a travelling worker attends is probably an increased cost to their Koha buyers.
15:10 kmkale       paul_p: if I could pay i would have attended kohacon in NZ ;)
15:10 paul_p       i've the opposite opinion: once i'm here, I want to ROI my investment ;-)
15:10 mtj          yeah, i agree with paul :)
15:10 kmkale       ya mtj is coming eraly for Diwali too :)
15:11 slef         so do I, but I don't see much return for us in past hackfests
15:11 slef         kohacon more return, hackfest less
15:11 kmkale       ok how do we go about finilizing hackfest duration and format? mailing list? vote?
15:12 mtj          aww, the friendship and experience is nice, for hackfests
15:13 slef         mtj: we have lots of friendship and experience within the co-op :)
15:13 mtj          perhaps we discuss on the mailing lists for the next week?
15:13 mtj          or do we just vote now?
15:13 kmkale       mailing lists is better imho
15:13 slef         final decision or decision method is up to kmkale IMO
15:13 paul_p       mailing list++
15:14 kmkale       slef: about hackfest its really upto developers
15:14 kmkale       i don't want to be sitting there alone ;)
15:14 mtj          mailling list++
15:14 kmkale       so paul_p will you send a mail to the list about hackfest duration format proposal?
15:14 slef         @karma list
15:14 huginn       slef: Karma for "list" has been increased 3 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 2.
15:15 slef         @karma mailing list
15:15 huginn       slef: mailing list has neutral karma.
15:15 paul_p       kmkale, if you want, or you can do it yourself if you prefer. I let you choose (it's your KohaCon ;) )
15:15 kmkale       paul_p please do it if you can
15:15 paul_p       ok, will do
15:16 kmkale       thanks paul_p++
15:16 kmkale       also how do we go about getting some sponsors?
15:16 mtj          mailing-list again, i think....
15:17 slef         once there's a sponsor registration type, let's call for sponsors on list, web and newsletter?
15:17 kmkale       slef yes good idea
15:18 kmkale       #action kmkale to give slef and gmcharlt admin rights on OCS
15:18 kmkale       #action paul_p to send out hackfest discussion mail
15:18 kmkale       anyone else has anything to discuss? any question to ask maybe?
15:19 gmcharlt     #action gmcharlt to draft the call for presentatins
15:19 kmkale       #action slef to create sponsor registration type post getting admin rights
15:19 kmkale       time and date for next volunteers meeting?
15:20 mtj          2 or 4 weeks away? or too soon?
15:21 kmkale       how about monthly meeting? rotated 8hrs?
15:21 mtj          yeah, perfect
15:21 kmkale       i had a couple of regrets due to the time of meeting today
15:21 paul_p       ++ for me too
15:22 kmkale       5th april?
15:23 kmkale       or 8th
15:23 paul_p       8th sound OK to me
15:24 kmkale       time?
15:24 wahanui1     i heard time was a scary thing
15:24 kmkale       huh
15:24 kmkale       do we try to get the time as per most of volunteers convinience or go by the 8 hr thing?
15:25 slef         make sure it's sane for you, then rotate or not as you wish IMO
15:25 gmcharlt     kmkale: it's up to you
15:25 mtj          8 hr thing ++
15:27 kmkale       6.00 uts on 8th april then?
15:27 kmkale       *UTC
15:28 paul_p       kmkale, OK for me
15:28 kmkale       paul_p: I was afraid you would say too early ;)
15:29 kmkale       agreed? 8th april 6.00UTC ??
15:29 mtj          agreed
15:30 paul_p       kmkale, will be 8AM for me (summer time), so OK
15:30 gmcharlt     agreed
15:30 kmkale       #action next irc meeting of Kohacon11 volunteers on 8th April 2011 at 6.00UTC
15:31 kmkale       end meeting?
15:31 kmkale       be happy to answer any queries about Thane, India, VPM etc
15:32 paul_p       ok for end meeting
15:32 kmkale       #endmeeting
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15:32 huginn       Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-03-08-14.01.log.html
15:32 mtj          cool, nice work kmkale :)
15:32 kmkale       :)
15:33 slef         I think it would be great if you could write a quick guide page about Thane, India and VPM on the wiki or ocs :)
15:34 kmkale       slef: will get someone in VPM to do that asap
15:34 slef         kmkale: thanks
15:35 paul_p       kmkale, sweet dreams!
15:35 kmkale       bye all and a big thanks to all of you for helping :)
15:36 * magnuse    has taken a bit of a liberty: http://lanyrd.com/2011/kohacon11/
16:08 sekjal       quick ping of the collective brainpool:  anyone know of any work on patron self-registration?
16:18 hdl          sekjal: not here in Marseille
16:18 gmcharlt     sekjal: nor in Florida
16:19 sekjal       okay, thanks... a partner of ours got what looks like some bad information, so wanted to check to see if I was missing something
16:38 jwagner      Would someone who knows authorities like to take a look at Bug 5842 ?
16:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5842 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Cross-Reference links to authorized fields give incomplete search results
16:39 jcamins      jwagner: around?
16:39 jwagner      yes
16:40 jcamins      jwagner: never mind, that was a dumb question. You just said something.
16:40 jwagner      I could have been sleep-typing :-)
16:40 jcamins      No, I think that was me. ;)
16:40 jcamins      I'm looking for my related bug.
16:41 jwagner      about authorities & cross-ref searches?  I didn't spot anything likely, but I don't seem to have good luck searching bugzilla
16:42 jcamins      Yeah, it was just pushed.
16:42 jcamins      Hm. Bugzilla is down.
16:42 jcamins      Bug 5810.
16:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5810 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject tracings should search complete subfields
16:42 jcamins      I actually implemented a syspref that does exactly what you describe.
16:43 jwagner      Making it do a zebra search instead of an authority search?
16:43 jcamins      Right.
16:43 jcamins      TracingsUseAuthorities or something like that.
16:44 jcamins      UseAuthoritiesForTracings
16:44 jwagner      And you got it to work in staff XSLT? I couldn't for some reason.
16:44 jcamins      Yeah, there were some problems with that.
16:45 jcamins      I also restructured some of the XSLTs a bit.
16:45 jcamins      The problem is that our XSLT processor does not follow the standard wrt scoping.
16:45 jwagner      So you were solving a quite different problem, but the solution might work for mine as well.
16:46 jcamins      I solved two problems, actually.
16:46 jcamins      Mine and yours.
16:46 jcamins      I couldn't get a sign-off for *my* solution, because everyone else ran into your problem.
16:46 jcamins      ;)
16:47 jwagner      Hrrrmmmm.  I still have not figured out the signoff process (or how to download and apply a patch), but I might be tempted to for thiis....
16:49 jcamins      Oh, that wasn't pushed. It must have been pushed to a branch.
16:49 jcamins      jwagner: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
16:51 jcamins      jwagner: you'll probably need to change "origin/master" to "kc/master" (or whatever you call your koha-community.org remote).
16:51 jwagner      Can I just ftp the patch file to my server & apply that way?
16:51 jcamins      Yeah, that's the step before the wiki page picks up.
16:52 jcamins      I guess I should fix that.
16:59 jwagner      jcamins, lots of merge conflicts, let's see if I can figure out how to resolve them.
17:00 jcamins      Yeah, it's based on latest Master.
17:01 jwagner      That's what I'm working on
17:01 jcamins      Hm.
17:01 jwagner      lots of problems with the installer files
17:01 jcamins      And you got merge conflicts?
17:02 jcamins      That's not good.
17:02 jwagner      So far they seem to be nugatory -- just remove the <<< lines
17:03 jcamins      Oh, I bet it was my other patch that was pushed.
17:03 atz          that would do it
17:03 jwagner      I'm using the patch file that was attached to the bug
17:03 jwagner      should I be using something else?
17:04 jcamins      jwagner: oh, it looks like the one attached to the bug isn't the latest.
17:04 jcamins      I'll attach a new one.
17:05 jcamins      Hold on.
17:05 jwagner      Argghh!  I think I just got through fixing the conflicts :-)
17:05 jcamins      It'll be exactly the same, except signed-off.
17:10 jwagner      OK, how do I break out of this unfinished merge on this branch and start over?
17:11 jwagner      It's got lots of files it's complaining about, and I just want to scrap everything.
17:11 jcamins      git am --abort I think
17:12 jwagner      No, not a valid flag.
17:12 druthb1      git am --skip
17:12 jwagner      Tried skipping, that didn't work either.
17:13 jwagner      Now I'm trying git checkout for all the filenames, doesn't seem to like that either :-(
17:13 jcamins      git reset --hard qa-bug_5810
17:14 * jcamins    generaly takes the sledgehammer approach to git repository management
17:14 jcamins      s/generaly/generally
17:14 jwagner      Well, that worked :-)
17:14 jwagner      Now download the new patch & start over?
17:15 jcamins      Right.
17:17 jwagner      Argh.  Just as many merge conflicts, sigh.
17:27 jwagner      Finally got a version merged -- I think the wiki page is missing a step.  I had to do a git add <filename> for all the modified files before resuming the merge
17:28 jwagner      jcamins, your two sysprefs, for what I want to do, should they both be set to 'don't'?
17:28 jcamins      Yes.
17:31 jwagner      Hmmm.  I see one problem.  OPAC works the way I want it to (use zebra instead of the authority link).  Staff, the staff results list uses the au: search instead of authority link for author. However, if you display the title record, the author link is still the authority record.
17:31 jwagner      subject links are OK in staff display
17:36 jcamins      jwagner: hm. I will work up a follow-up patch for you to sign.
17:36 jcamins      Or you could work up a follow-up patch for me to sign, which might be more efficient.
17:40 jwagner      Assuming I understand how your patch works....
17:40 jcamins      It's very straightforward.
17:43 jcamins      Yeah, looks like I just forgot to add "and $UseAuthoritiesForTracings='1'" to the showAuthor template.
17:48 jwagner      Yep, had to change MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl and MARC21slimUtils.xsl but it seems to be working now.
17:48 jwagner      So now how do I format the patch? I assume since I modified it I can't do the signoff bit
17:49 jcamins      git format-patch -s origin/master
17:49 jcamins      That'll give you two files.
17:49 jwagner      I have to git commit first, don't I
17:50 jwagner      ?
17:50 jcamins      Oh, yes.
17:50 jwagner      Regular old git commit, or something fancy?
17:50 jcamins      Just a regular git commit.
17:51 jwagner      OK, got the two files.  Upload them both to the bugzilla page, or just the second one?
17:52 jcamins      Both.
17:53 jcamins      I'll sign off on the follow up, and resend it to the list.
17:53 jcamins      (since it's changed)
17:54 jwagner      Mark your singed-off version as obsolete?
17:54 Brooke_      kia ora!
17:54 druthb       hi, Brooke_  :)
17:55 jcamins      Yes.
17:55 jwagner      that's signed, not singed :-)
17:55 jwagner      OK, all uploaded.
17:56 jcamins      Thanks!
17:56 Brooke_      sechsy: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11522
17:57 jwagner      Thank you for the fix!
17:57 jcamins      You're welcome. :)
17:58 jwagner      one caveat, though, which I'll add to the bug report -- your patch didn't address UNIMARC files, correct?
17:58 jcamins      That's correct.
17:58 jwagner      They also use the code=9 construct
17:58 jcamins      Yeah, but the XSLT is structured very differently, and I wasn't confident of my ability to test.
17:59 jwagner      We'll let a UNIMARC user do that one -- just wanted to point it out in the bug report.
18:00 jcamins      Yeah.
18:01 jwagner      To clarify, you're now going to sign off (and thus send another patch file)?
18:01 jcamins      Yes.
18:03 Brooke_      jcamins++
18:44 Brooke_      don't all talk at once.
18:49 * ibeardslee was just waiting for a quiet moment
18:49 * Brooke_    suspects so.
18:49 Brooke_      clearly everyone saves their chattiness for a meeting.
18:50 * wizzyrea   is not feeling very chatty
18:50 * druthb     isn't, either, much.
18:51 Brooke_      lies!
18:51 druthb       @quote get 102
18:51 huginn       druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
18:52 Brooke_      huginn druthb?
18:52 huginn       Brooke_: downloading the Perl source
18:52 Brooke_      wha?!
18:52 Brooke_      wahanui1 druthb?
18:52 wahanui1     druthb is a rockstar!
18:52 * druthb     blushes.
18:52 Brooke_      Hmph. I suppose that'll do.
18:52 druthb       wahanui1: Brooke_?
18:52 wahanui1     rumour has it Brooke_ is hearing no objections
18:53 Brooke_      that one could be worse, I suppose.
18:53 jcamins      My cat has a cold, too. :(
18:53 Brooke_      oh really?
18:53 Brooke_      Is it still eating properly?
18:53 * Brooke_    s cat sneezed all over her at one point many moons ago.
18:54 jcamins      I think he's eating.
18:55 Brooke_      pfft, tomcats.
18:55 jcamins      Brooke_: technically "he" is an "it," but we let him pretend that's not the case. ;)
18:56 Brooke_      what's his name?
18:57 jcamins      Myshkin.
18:57 * Brooke_    points out that this is all very important from a development standpoint.
18:57 Brooke_      ooh I like that.
18:58 Brooke_      after the idiot or the place?
18:58 jcamins      The Prince. :)
18:58 * Brooke_    nods.
18:59 Brooke_      off I go.
20:10 wizzyrea     cait: these are evil, and wonderful: http://www.germandeli.com/pastaflagga.html
20:11 cait         ah haribo
20:11 cait         :)
20:11 cait         about the sql statement: it was not always there, got in with the parameters in sql reports - and because the current output is very ugly
20:11 cait         in my eyes
20:12 cait         but I am open for discussion here - at least it should be formatted
20:12 cait         it's not even wrapped in a html tag I can hide at the moment
20:13 wizzyrea     formatting = good, ability to hide = good
20:13 wizzyrea     i personally like seeing it
20:14 cait         okok
20:14 cait         but have no time to work on it today
20:14 wizzyrea     it's cool :)
20:14 wizzyrea     no worries
21:45 cait         sekjal: reading about your idea for the cart - how would we seelct items into the cart?
21:46 cait         at the moment it works from the record and from the result list
21:48 sekjal       where it's possible to select items individually (like on the details page) we could, either with checkboxes or links like "add to cart"
21:48 sekjal       from search results, it could be defaulted to add all items for the title
21:48 sekjal       then they could be removed later
21:53 cait         ok, no more questions :)
21:53 cait         I like the idea
22:01 sekjal       we'd also be able to have an interface to add them to cart from a barcode scanner
22:02 cait         :)
22:23 sekjal       okay, time to go do taxes...
22:23 wizzyrea     gl
22:23 * sekjal     crosses fingers for a goodly sized refund
23:01 Judit        hi
23:49 mtj          quick 3m self check quesyion here.......
23:49 mtj          anyone know of anyone using them?
23:52 rhcl_away    I think sekjal would probably know of people using them
23:52 rhcl_away    and maybe wizzyrea
23:53 mtj          yeah, ill ask liz/nekls/bywater