Time Nick Message 23:10 sekjal time for rest. see you soon, #koha 23:07 ebegin rangi, sorry, i went away. That works for publishing date, but I want the acquisition date (from the items) 22:35 eythian heh, fun times :) 22:34 jcamins Stress testing my new RAM, dontchakno? ;) 22:33 eythian ah right 22:33 jcamins eythian: I'm testing a query with ExtractValue(). 22:32 eythian jcamins: maybe you need some indicies :) 22:30 jcamins 205 seconds, and the EXPLAIN still hasn't returned. 22:29 druthb hehehe 22:29 jcamins It's just that the relationship is adversarial. ;) 22:29 jcamins druthb: actually, we have a *fine* relationship. 22:29 druthb poor jcamins. you and that VM just do not have a good relationship, do you? 22:28 jcamins Huh. Apparently EXPLAIN has to *run* subqueries. 22:27 * jcamins watches his VM go ker-thunk. 22:26 eythian "making water not wet" etc. 22:26 wizzyrea i'll expire your bits! 22:25 * wizzyrea mutters about expiration of bits... simply ludicrous 22:23 eythian it really is 22:22 wizzyrea it's crazy 22:22 wizzyrea oh man been following that for days now 22:21 eythian http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/02/library-ebook-revolution-begin.html <-- has this come up here? It sounds pretty terrible. 22:14 * jcamins found that, but he can't confirm it, being the one who reported the problem in the first place. 22:13 * jcamins realizes suddenly that he did not change his nick. 22:12 sekjal problems as in very high resources consumption 22:12 sekjal can anyone confirm that Zebra has problems with MARC fields (like subjects) that have trailing whitespace? 22:04 rangi (from the advanced search page in the opac) 22:04 rangi does that work? 22:04 rangi For example: 1999-2001. You could also use "-1987" for everything published before 1987 or "2008-" for everything published after 2008. 22:04 rangi cant you just type that? 21:58 ebegin Hi #koha! Any hints on how to add a range search on the acqdate ? So far, i can search for an exact date but I would like to search for an acqdate > YYYY-MM-DD 21:45 rangi just finished morning tea, a little interest ... far more interest in coffee and scones tho 21:44 rangi space_librarian: flight was bumpy bumpy 21:25 * wizzyrea will look again 21:25 wizzyrea versions* 21:25 wizzyrea i haven't noticed any new verisons 21:24 wizzyrea rather, once the new version is properly done 21:24 rhcl I think he did, si? 21:24 wizzyrea I will be happy to once it stops using cake 21:24 rhcl You really truly outta look at Libki. 21:24 * wizzyrea loves puns and will laugh anyway 21:24 wizzyrea go ahead and make it 21:23 wizzyrea :) 21:23 gmcharlt :) 21:23 * wizzyrea hates it... hates it precious 21:23 gmcharlt of course, you just shot down the pun I was about to make 21:23 gmcharlt ah 21:23 wizzyrea envisionware 21:23 gmcharlt ew server? 21:22 * wizzyrea mutters 21:22 * wizzyrea gives up for now and goes to reinstall her ew server 21:22 wizzyrea but I wonder if it's sending in one of those other fields? 21:22 wizzyrea to the ew koha config 21:22 wizzyrea I could not get it to eval age properly 21:22 wizzyrea i.e. adding the age field to the koha config 21:21 wizzyrea didn't work 21:21 wizzyrea now, telling EW to look at age 21:21 pastebot0 "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "envisionware's field definitions" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 21:20 nengard any tips on adding a sign off message to more than one patch? i applied two patches (part 1 and part 2) they work together and I did a git commit --amend but it only asked me to amend the second patch 21:20 wizzyrea hm hm hm 21:20 wizzyrea hmmmm 21:20 sekjal Koha will transmit the patron's birthdate over SIP in a Patron Information message 21:19 rhcl I think it helps that Userful runs on Red Hat. At least we have two Linuxes talking to each other, and even better, the two support teams speak the same language. 21:18 rhcl night 21:18 * magnus_tired wishes #koha a peaceful night 21:16 rhcl That age thing was configured for us by Userful. 21:16 wizzyrea k 21:16 rhcl No, I don't think Userful logs connections anywhere that I have access to, but Koha does 21:15 wizzyrea that's a pretty slick setup 21:15 rhcl Those "juvenile" users can use all the apps, like OOO, but can't get out to the world. 21:14 rhcl If you are 16 yo or younger, Userful permits you to login, but cuts off the Internet. 21:14 wizzyrea (EW does) 21:14 wizzyrea does it log the contents of the sip connections 21:14 rhcl ? 21:14 wizzyrea as to what is being received? 21:14 wizzyrea is there any logging on your userful? 21:13 rhcl or probably birthdate, which it converts to age 21:13 wizzyrea it must compute it from the birthdate, can you confirm that? 21:12 rhcl wizzyrea: our SIP for userful works w/ age 21:11 wizzyrea then I can pin it on EW 21:11 wizzyrea :) 21:11 wizzyrea that's what I was both hoping and not hoping you would say ) 21:11 sekjal so, in that case, it would be up to the SIP client to do the math 21:11 wizzyrea it appears that at least EW is expecting age 21:11 wizzyrea right, that's what I was seeing 21:10 sekjal wizzyrea: initial info that I'm seeing is that birthdate is what's transmitted, rather than age in years 21:09 ibeardslee yay 21:08 * space_librarian passes around the beer. 21:08 mtj … and empathy 21:08 * wizzyrea is so spoiled by the spirit of cooperation we have here. 21:07 wizzyrea (this is not the first time EW has not cooperated, I should add) 21:07 wizzyrea sekjal++ I've got 3 libraries breathing down my neck on that one, and EW is NOT cooperating 21:06 sekjal I'll look at the spec, and see if it calls for birthdate, age, or something more complicated 21:06 space_librarian Rangi: how was your flight? All sorted for the conference? 21:05 wizzyrea what are they going to tell me to blame it on my ILS 21:05 wizzyrea so I'm wondering if it's in the wrong place? or... 21:05 wizzyrea but EW is clearly having trouble understanding wtf to do with it 21:05 wizzyrea (sok chum, I understand) 21:04 sekjal sorry, still feeling kinda fuzzy of head. it comes out as constant stabs at wit 21:04 wizzyrea I meant, I can see that koha is sending the birthdate 21:04 wizzyrea in my experience EW does not so much get better with age :P 21:04 sekjal wizzyrea: you mean like a fine wine? 21:03 wizzyrea I'm thinking specifically of envisionware 21:03 wizzyrea sekjal: question re: SIP, (and I'm sorry if I've asked this before) have you ever gotten a SIP client to work with age? 21:03 mtj still sucks that josh was lame enough to create a LL vanity page in the 1st place 21:03 * oleonard punches out 21:01 sekjal for other definitions of "contribution", "development" and "Koha", my objection may not stand 21:01 oleonard But if we find a citation for that, then it'll be all good no matter what the facts ;) 21:00 sekjal where I'm interpreting my facts off the Koha git commit logs 21:00 mtj yeah [citation needed] 21:00 sekjal oleonard: I object to that as well, as it's counter to the facts 20:59 * oleonard still objects to "Since [early 2011], LibLime has contributed and continues to contribute much to the development of Koha" 20:59 mtj well, that was an interesting little collective brainstorm, folks... :) 20:57 mtj snails managed to stop the gonzo edits on the liblime page too 20:55 rhcl I can imagine rms doing that. 20:55 mtj yeah, despite the little quibbles re: the wiki pages, snail has helped a great deal 20:55 * oleonard pictures rangi standing on a table screaming "Eek, people!" 20:54 rhcl just when I was beginning to think snail was an enemy combatant people start plussing him up! 20:54 * rangi will bbl 20:54 rangi eek people 20:54 rangi so lets give him a crack at rewriting the current status section, and see how we go 20:53 mtj snail++ for that! 20:53 rangi and also i appreciate snails efforts in try to move both the koha page and the liblime page to a move neutral footing, and i especially appreciate the fact the the conflict of interest was pointed out in the liblime edits, and their rewrite of history (in which there was no fork/controversy) fixed 20:51 rangi and that we should stick with free software development 20:51 oleonard Let them be judged by what they say they are 20:51 rangi i personally think they are both pants 20:51 oleonard mtj: I don't think they deserve deference based on a *perceived* development model when they profess to be open. 20:50 sekjal do we have a definition for "open software model" and "closed software model"? 20:50 Guest3140 okay, i'll play around 20:50 wizzyrea though 20:50 wizzyrea Guest3140: it'll be something like that 20:50 rhcl I really wanna watch that discussion 20:50 mtj i base that assumption on their publicly viewable code repository 20:49 rhcl In 48 hours it'll be beer Friday in NZ 20:49 mtj snail: to me, it seems to be the open software development model, but they do released open source licensed software… very infrequently 20:48 Guest3140 no results 20:47 Guest3140 didn't work 20:47 mtj snail: yep, sounds good 20:46 mtj lol "it seems" 20:46 snail mtj: how about we suspend this for 48 hours? 20:46 wizzyrea technically they've released once 20:45 mtj snail: it *is* comparing apples to apples here 20:45 snail mtj: it seems to be the closed software development model, but they do released open source licensed software 20:45 Guest3140 thx 20:45 wizzyrea try that (with your keyword, of course) 20:45 pastebot0 "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "for Guest3140" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/158 20:44 mtj they've got a public GPLed repo 20:44 mtj snail: why do you assume the PTFS-master/harley codebase is 'the closed model' ? 20:44 wizzyrea Guest3140: almost there just a sec 20:42 chris_n snail: that sounds like a plan 20:42 mtj ohloh pulls its stats from both code repos, too 20:42 snail how about ppl give me 48 hours to rewrite the current status section 20:41 mtj snail: now that i dont understand ? 20:41 Guest3140 I figure I need to get the term biblio.author in there somewhere, but I'm not sure where to stick it. 20:41 oleonard I don't see how that follows 20:41 snail oleonard: because I'm trying to be impartial 20:41 oleonard snail: How is that relevant? 20:40 snail mtj: because that clearly favours the open software model than the closed model 20:40 mtj lol, nice 20:40 oleonard mtj: Because they're not "independent." They are merely factual. 20:39 mtj why not cite stats pulled from both Koha and PTFS-master repos? 20:39 oleonard snail: And anyway, the accuracy isn't important is it. Just the fact that it says so is enough. 20:38 oleonard snail: At the very least you consider it "worth citing" 20:38 mtj ok, so lets have a go at a better 'current-status' block, for the Koha wiki page... 20:38 wizzyrea 1s sorry lol 20:38 snail oleonard: did I call it reliable? if so, my bad, I meant independent 20:38 wizzyrea Guest3140: 20:38 wizzyrea right, 20:37 Guest3140 At the moment, it's spitting out just two columns...bibnumber and the contents of the 440 field 20:37 wizzyrea lots of things we thought we were going to get, we didnn't 20:37 wizzyrea well, 2008-2010 were a confusing time 20:37 mtj pass, could be, sounds very unlikely 20:37 oleonard snail: ohloh is such a reliable reference, it must be true 20:36 mtj yep, not good for the Koha project, and thats why we are all here… right now.. chatting… :) 20:36 snail the koha ohloh page has 'Decreasing year-over-year development activity' too. is that new? 20:36 Guest3140 and tell me how to also include authors in my results? 20:36 Guest3140 sorry to interrupt...but could someone take a look at http://paste.koha-community.org/157 20:35 snail mtj: yes, the current status section is not very good. 20:34 * chris_n shift out the next element in his @todo now 20:34 sekjal I find the second URL, with the greater amount of detail, to be far more useful. More difficult to maintain, of course, but the Current Status section is no good as showcased 20:33 mtj i want the 'current status' section changed, too 20:33 mtj … and both the koha and liblime wiki pages are involved in a very real fud-war 20:32 snail mtj: thanks 20:32 chris_n and I agree with oleonard on that point 20:32 oleonard snail: I think your edits to the "current status" section are misleading and inaccurate 20:31 mtj i personally appreciate your effort, its a shitty task to do 20:30 snail s/things/thinks/ 20:30 snail if anyone things the old one is a better encyclopedia entry for koha, I'll stop right now 20:30 mtj so currently the Current-status/ohloh block on the wiki suxxx, but we can find better current-status stats, to show the difference in activity between the Koha and harley codebases 20:30 snail that's the current wikipedia page and the old one before I started 20:29 snail https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Koha_%28software%29&oldid=411342179 20:29 snail https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 20:29 snail I'm seeing some resistance to what I'm trying to do here, so I'll give people the option. take a look at the two urls: 20:28 chris_n and for that you are squarely responsible, not the "wikipedia independence criteria" 20:28 chris_n not the actual content of the box itself 20:27 chris_n the real issue is your subjective interpretation of the "independent" analysis box imho 20:27 chris_n seems rather a bit of something to hide behind 20:27 oleonard An independent but inaccurate source is better than hard data 20:26 chris_n ahh.. what a "safe" answer 20:26 snail chris_n: nothing is objective, but it meets the wikipedia independence criteria 20:24 chris_n your reasoning is a bit like a tight-loop from my pov 20:24 oleonard I make our git repo non-objective by changing the stats constantly (by committing) 20:24 chris_n which you claim is not objective either 20:24 chris_n actually the analysis box is based on commits to our git repo 20:24 oleonard Since early 2011 Liblime has contributed to the development of koha? 20:23 snail chris_n: you can manage the analysis box? bugger 20:23 oleonard snail: Why aren't you purging garbage from the LibLime entry? "By early 2011, there were over 800 libraries supported on Koha by LibLime—thus justifying the original mission of the company.[citation needed] Since that time, LibLime has contributed and continues to contribute much to the development of Koha.[citation needed]" 20:23 chris_n I'm sure it s the same for the koha-PTFS page as well 20:23 chris_n btw, snail, several of us "manage" the koha ohloh page... you might want to put that into your mix of "independence" and "objectivity" of ohloh and puff on it for a few moments 20:22 oleonard snail: Does your impartiality prevent you from looking at that github link I pasted? 20:22 oleonard snail: That's our point. They don't do anything with Harley. It hasn't moved as far as publicly available versions are concerned 20:22 mtj no, they dont 20:21 mtj um, thanks for that advice 20:21 * snail goes to have a look 20:21 snail mtj: don't they suck all the commits in? 20:21 mtj the ptfs fork has prolly 0.1% of the commits of the Koha repo, in the last year, etc 20:20 snail mtj: you're welcome to manipulate independent third parties as much as you want, but you'll achieve more in the medium / long term by making koha better 20:19 mtj 'but the PTFS fork has [d]ecreasing year-over-year development activity' 20:19 snail oleonard: yes. see my earlier discussion of independence and the wikipedia definition of notability, which is entirely built around third party coverage 20:19 * druthb remembers why she gave up being a wikipedian, a long, long time ago, and only edited things that were about concrete objects (roads) back then. Her mind isn't twisty enough for the high-level approach. 20:19 oleonard snail: You would rather cite ohloh's "analysis" over actual data from the two projects' git repositories? 20:18 mtj ok, so we can pad more stats around the ohloh block, to show ptfs-masters inactivity, etc 20:18 sekjal apples to apples 20:18 sekjal anyway, the fork of Koha that is publicly known as Harley has a git repository (just like Koha), and both repositories have dates on the most recent commit you'd get when pulling that code 20:18 oleonard snail: That's absurd 20:18 snail oleonard: your links are relavent. as relavent as the other self-references that I purged from the wikipedia article earlier in it's history. 20:16 sekjal I interpreted, perhaps poorly. I've got a headcold, still 20:16 sekjal sorry, no you didn't. 20:16 snail sekjal: I didn't say closed source 20:16 sekjal they've got a public Git repository 20:16 sekjal Harley isn't closed source. Ask PTFS 20:16 oleonard snail: That didn't make any sense 20:15 snail sekjal: both are citeable, but the meaning of the last commit in a community-driven project has a different meaning to the last commit in a closed propriety project 20:15 wizzyrea i'm quite sure that some version of harley has had more recent commits, but we can't see them :P 20:14 sekjal just put them into the article, and let the reader interpret 20:14 wizzyrea last public commit dates 20:14 druthb sekjal++ 20:14 sekjal both are citable facts 20:14 sekjal sounds like the references we need are the last commit dates from both Koha and Harley 20:14 oleonard snail: Do you not find my links relevant? 20:14 snail mtj: have the build machine make a commit after every build, that's a good way to inflate the numbers :) 20:13 snail wizzyrea: all data require interpretation and my not always be entirely accurate, but the ohloh interpretation is independent on either koha or liblime 20:13 mtj s/that/than/ 20:13 mtj lets find some better statistics to manipulate to our advantage, that ohloh 20:12 mtj wizzyrea++ thats a reasonable point 20:11 oleonard compare to: https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS 20:11 oleonard snail: http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/activity.html 20:11 wizzyrea so it shouldn't be a reference. 20:11 wizzyrea due to the fact that ohloh data can be interpreted in ways that are not entirely accurate 20:10 snail rhcl: I'm syeates@gmail.com / https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:Stuartyeates 20:10 wizzyrea we use our own stats 20:10 wizzyrea even for our own references 20:10 rhcl s/as/a 20:10 wizzyrea ok, then: we should not use ohloh as a reference 20:10 snail oleonard: I'm not open to suggestions, I'm open to references. 20:10 rhcl I'm curious, if you don't mind snail, who are you? Others seem to know. You can be a specific or general as you like. 20:09 snail oleonard: wikipedia takes the well-referenced over the accuracy (except when in rick of libel or breach of USA/ca law) 20:09 oleonard snail: You don't sound very open to suggestions based on our conversation here 20:08 snail if anyone wants other points made in these articles, send me the references. I'm not around here much, by I can PM anyone my email address, or you can leave a message for me on wikipedia or the wellington people have my email address 20:08 oleonard I'm afraid you've lost me snail. We're obviously in different worlds. 20:08 wizzyrea but it also can't be written by an interested party. 20:07 snail oleonard: yes 20:06 oleonard ...accuracy be damned. 20:06 snail wizzyrea: the point is not that the koha-community write a page about there software and the PTFS people write a page about there's. the point is that we have useful, informative content about the software and it's history and that anything controversial is closely referenced 20:05 wizzyrea yep I've seen that one 20:04 snail wizzyrea: you've seen https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Liblime ? 20:03 snail wizzyrea: a campaign isn't necessary, a single on-site complaint is all it takes and the non-edit-warring rules require I step away from the whole issue 20:03 mtj snail: roger that, i'll keep it in mind as a 'pet' project.... 20:02 wizzyrea is that ptfs should make their own page for harley 20:02 oleonard mtj: I think you're going to have to go ahead with your fork 20:02 wizzyrea so I think what I'm hearing here 20:01 snail mtj: find me the source for such a page to meet the wikipedia notability criteria and I'll happily write one 20:01 wizzyrea either way, probably better to just try to keep the thing neutral? 20:01 * wizzyrea is not familiar enough with the wikipedia internal processes to even begin to mount a campaign 20:01 oleonard A point which hasn't been countered. 20:00 mtj but seriously, i'm just joking here, but making a point.... 20:00 oleonard ...when one side isn't. 20:00 oleonard Fair and balanced doesn't mean presenting both sides of an argument as equally factual. 20:00 mtj s/there/their/ 20:00 mtj hwo come PTFS get to have there fork mentioned on the Koha wiki page, and not KohaAloha's ? 19:59 snail oleonard: you're welcome to use the wikipedia internal processes to dispute what i say. 19:59 snail oleonard: not just me, but i have a couple of thousand edits across a dozen wikimedia projects and i'm trying to keep both pages balanced and fair 19:58 mtj yes, furby is KohaAloha's development fork of KOHA 19:58 oleonard Only you do snail? 19:58 wizzyrea snail: fair enough 19:58 wizzyrea mtj has a hypothetical fork of koha called furby 19:58 snail wizzyrea: we don't get to write the wikipedia page for koha 19:58 nengard hehe 19:57 nengard that's why i get for not paying attention all the time 19:57 wizzyrea lol 19:57 nengard furby fork? 19:57 wizzyrea let em have their own page 19:57 mtj and why is my 'furby' fork not mentioned on the koha wiki page?!? 19:57 wizzyrea erm dumb wikipedia question, but perhaps it's better to just omit the existence of harley, since it's only based on koha 19:56 oleonard If that data contradicts their statement that "Koha-PTFS" is active, how can we consider it a valid citation? 19:56 Guest3140 (Thanks!) 19:56 Guest3140 okay, I'm getting closer. Lemme play around a bit. 19:56 oleonard snail: I have knowledge of when the last commit was to "Koha-PTFS" based on the data ohloh provides 19:56 snail reading scrollback 19:55 snail oleonard: no, but we're avoiding statements about things we have no knowledge of 19:55 oleonard snail: How do you counter mtj's example of a project forked from Koha today? 19:55 Guest3140 ah, okay 19:55 wizzyrea Guest3140: try putting %'s around your keyword 19:55 oleonard So now it's based on what we imagine might be true? 19:54 snail oleonard: this is git, there could be hourly commits that they haven't pushed to github yet 19:54 oleonard snail: Am I "interpreting" the fact that the last commit to "Koha-PTFS" was almost a year ago? 19:53 Guest3140 there we go 19:53 wizzyrea aha ty 19:53 snail olenard: data, by it's nature requires interpretation, and we're trying to keep interpretation off the page 19:53 pastebot0 "Guest3140" at 128.117.174.160 pasted "SQL report (keyword in 440 line)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/157 19:53 wizzyrea you could simply say "SELECT biblionumber" and avoid that if you wanted to 19:52 wizzyrea the concat bit only makes the bibnumber clickable 19:52 Guest3140 standby... 19:52 oleonard That is not a matter of opinion 19:52 oleonard snail: But the data ohloh provides contradicts their characterization of "Koha-PTFS" as active 19:52 wizzyrea win all round. 19:52 wizzyrea easier to parse, won't disappear from our screens :) 19:51 Guest3140 oh... 19:51 Guest3140 (that's it) 19:51 wizzyrea Guest3140: I meant, please use the paste function available at http://paste.koha-community.org 19:51 Guest3140 LIKE "NCAR cooperative thesis" 19:51 Guest3140 WHERE lcsh 19:51 Guest3140 AS subjects 19:51 snail oleonard: given that PTFS and the broader koha community are at loggerheads, all statements like this need independent references, and unfortunately ohloh is independent 19:51 Guest3140 AS lcsh FROM biblioitems) 19:50 Guest3140 (SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="440"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') 19:50 Guest3140 FROM 19:50 Guest3140 AS bibnumber, lcsh 19:50 Guest3140 SELECT CONCAT('<a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=',biblionumber,'\">',biblionumber,'</a>') 19:50 Guest3140 line by line... 19:49 wizzyrea paste.koha-community.org paste in what ya got 19:49 Guest3140 I'm never sure which parts of an SQL report (from the wiki) are expected to be edited and which lines I can just paste in as-is. 19:49 snail sorry, been afk 19:49 wizzyrea sec 19:49 wizzyrea reports? 19:48 Guest3140 I must be doing something heinously wrong. 19:47 mtj tho… some of us are a little less nice and fair, these days… to our advantage 19:47 mtj http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koha_%28software%29&action=historysubmit&diff=412517551&oldid=412502815 19:46 wizzyrea ^^ 19:46 mtj our problem is, we are too nice and fair and are often taken advantage of by others *less* nice and fair than us 19:46 * jcamins heads out for a meeting 19:45 oleonard Yeah, I'd like to hear from snail 19:45 mtj oleonard: i edited that ohloh statement on the wiki, and was told off for it by snail 19:45 Guest3140 SELECT CONCAT('<a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=',biblionumber,'\">',biblionumber,'</a>') 19:45 Guest3140 Do I need to edit this first line at all? 19:44 Guest3140 And entered my keyword (which is actually a phrase) 19:44 nengard that only works if you have a recent version of MySQL 19:44 Guest3140 I just changed the 650 to 440 19:44 Guest3140 yes, I'm looking at "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects" 19:44 nengard Guest3140 i think i wrote a report like that that's on the wiki 19:43 oleonard Guest3140: Have you looked through the SQL library on the wiki? 19:42 Guest3140 I guess that'd be 440a 19:40 mtj as does harley 19:40 Guest3140 if that's too hard to do, then in the Series field. 19:40 mtj … i could claim that my furby project has 10 years of active development :/ 19:40 Guest3140 What I'd like is Bibs with a specific keyword that appears in just about any field. Or, 19:40 mtj if i forked the koha codebase today, called it furby, and linked it on ohloh... 19:39 Guest3140 Looking at "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects" 19:39 oleonard Guest3140: We won't know until we hear the question ;) 19:39 mtj oleonard: i agree re: ohloh 19:39 Guest3140 Anyone in the mood for an SQL Reports question? 19:38 louis2_systech I have a quick question. Anyone know what "wrdl" does exactly when you search for "title" (ti,wrdl is used) ? And why is it used ? 19:38 Michael Hey Gang 19:37 louis2_systech Hi again (it seems Chrome 10 and Mibbit don't work well together) 19:33 wizzyrea hi louis_systech 19:33 louis_systech Hi everyone ! 19:33 oleonard snail: According to ohloh the last commit to "Koha-PTFS" was almost a year ago 19:32 * wizzyrea is feeling contrary today 19:32 wizzyrea but your point is valid 19:32 wizzyrea it's large compared to say, something like webconverger 19:32 oleonard snail, I don't think you can justify the statement that "Koha-PTFS" has 'a ''[v]ery large, active development team''' based on ohloh's data, despite what ohloh says 19:24 wizzyrea ;) 19:24 mtj oh, nice url... 19:23 wizzyrea kudos.koha-community.org 19:23 wizzyrea for the USians: remember, the deadline for program proposals for KUDOSCon2011 is March 15! 18:01 jcamins Babar goes to the barber, where he meets Bieber? 18:01 druthb lol 18:00 oleonard "And then Bieber went to the department store, where he got his hair styled again and again until they asked him to leave" 17:58 wizzyrea oh that's babar 17:58 wizzyrea reminds me of elepants 17:29 rhcl Sounds like a children's book: "Bieber Goes to the Barber". Somebody will probably write it. 17:25 rhcl I have some vague notion that Bieber went to the Barber recently, but that's more than I want to know about him. 17:23 druthb The Beeb is in the ridicule corner at our house, too. My girls are too old to be captured by his wiles. 17:15 liw but never mind, continue as you were :) 17:15 liw I have no tv, no radio, and I don't expose myself to most other forms of corporate controlled mass-marketing, either, so I miss a lot of fleeting cultural phenomena 17:14 * wizzy_m has only heard a bieber song expanded 800x into an ambient masterpiece 17:13 * oleonard 's daughter, 7, falls within Bieber's zone of influence unfortunately 17:13 liw I've seen the name being ridiculed in various corners of the Internet 17:12 oleonard liw: Yes, and if you didn't already know that, congratulations. 17:11 liw is justin bieber the latest teenager-pop-star produced by the international music industry megacorporation? 17:11 JesseM JesseM_away 17:11 wizzy_m they grow up so fast 17:10 oleonard Isn't it amazing? He'll be 13 before we know it. 17:09 wizzy_m omg its beebs birthday 17:09 oleonard sekjal just remembered he forgot to buy Justin Bieber a present 17:08 hdl It is referenced as : MT5757 for us. 17:08 sekjal need to run an emergency errand right now, but when I get back, I'll download the patch and give it a test 17:07 sekjal hdl: gladly 17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes 17:06 hdl sekjal: you could test http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=3c95654d56180cda38b270ff8a39a672a8dd873f for bug 5595 17:05 * oleonard cringes at the feedback 17:05 wizzy_m tap tap is this thing on 17:05 sekjal including some made from bamboo 17:04 nengard hehe 17:04 * sekjal has soooo much honey in the house right now 17:04 nengard i need green tea with honey and lemon when i'm sick 17:04 nengard what about the honey? 17:04 jcamins Sourdough bread dipped in green tea with lemon, if you need both. ;) 17:04 jcamins oleonard: that's not a bad idea, actually. 17:04 nengard LOL 17:03 oleonard I would have thought jcamins would suggest 16 loaves of sourdough bread as a cure-all 17:03 sekjal I listed jcamins somewhere.... perhaps on my ++ list 17:03 sekjal thanks, magnuse 17:03 nengard not listed 17:03 nengard listened 17:03 nengard tea with lemon if he listed to jcamins :) hehe 17:03 magnuse hope you get well soon, sekjal! 17:02 sekjal gmcharlt: thanks, working on it. drinking lots of tea 17:02 gmcharlt sekjal: feel better soon 17:01 * sekjal is sick, hence his recent absence from channel 17:01 sekjal I think I should go back to bed 17:01 sekjal wow, lots of missing words in that previous message 16:59 sekjal apparently I'm the 5th most recent commit the fork: https://www.ohloh.net/p/Koha-PTFS/contributors?query=&sort=latest_commit 16:56 oleonard You can't cite ohloh's actual data to support the idea that "Koha-PTFS" has a large development team 16:56 oleonard What I object to is the Wikipedia entry revision saying "According to ohloh, both branches have a [v]ery large, active development team and a [m]ature, well-established codebase" 16:55 jcamins Even after the branch, of course, there's nothing to prevent them cherry-picking patches. 16:54 wizzyrea bleh 16:54 jcamins oleonard: when did PTFS branch? 16:53 oleonard Where do they get that information? 16:53 oleonard https://www.ohloh.net/p/Koha-PTFS/factoids/4250286 16:53 oleonard ohloh says "Over the past twelve months, 11 developers contributed new code to PTFS Koha fork." ?! 16:51 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koha_(software)&diff=416444347&oldid=prev 16:08 paul_p I never use --noxml 16:08 paul_p tcohen, the -x export the records as xml. If you add the --nosanitize it is MUCH faster than iso export (x10 or x20) 15:36 liw jcamins, it should be 15:36 jcamins liw: is it safe to just run `sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring` when I get the error message about packages not being signed? 15:32 tcohen is it ok to assume noxml could handle both? or there is a use case i might be ommiting where !noxml doesn't imply as_xml? 15:31 tcohen ? 15:31 tcohen paul_p: in rebuild_zebra.pl, what is the difference between -noxml and -x (which sets as_xml) 15:28 jcamins liw++ 15:28 jcamins Thanks! 15:28 jcamins Wow, that's really cool! It worked! 15:26 liw jcamins, set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND to the value noninteractive 15:25 jcamins Preferably by setting the configuration options through environment variable or command line argument. 15:25 jcamins liw: is there any way to install a package that usually asks for configuration options completely unattended? 15:24 liw jcamins, I have time for a quick question 15:15 jcamins Any Debian packaging experts around? 15:10 JesseM Sorry ALL 15:06 jcamins JesseM: wrong window. 15:06 JesseM wanted to know before i call her 15:06 JesseM NH state library did we set her up a test system? 14:58 tcohen I definitely need to attend a KohaCon :-( 14:57 tcohen hence my question 14:57 tcohen and will introduce a syspref for choosing marcxml or marc for indexing 14:57 tcohen i'm willing to improve my patches for zebraqueue 14:55 tcohen (i.e. doesn't have marc record lenght limit) 14:54 tcohen i've known that marcxml lets fat records to be indexed 14:54 tcohen #koha: is there an open discussion on whether to use marcxml or marc for zebra indexing? 14:42 kf I liked them too :) 14:42 kf glue! 14:39 oleonard Thanks :) 14:38 * magnuse too! 14:35 wizzyrea oleonard: lol at your #hcod tweets 14:33 kf sorry, wasn't really serious - I have changed in in my css 14:31 oleonard I certainly wouldn't mind if you changed it 14:31 oleonard It's supposed to be kind of tan (#D8DEB8), but it depends on your monitor. 14:30 kf ;) 14:30 kf *ducks 14:30 kf I was working on the stylesheets - why is the button green? 14:30 oleonard I mean you'll be warned you haven't selected any items. 14:30 kf thx 14:30 kf ah 14:29 oleonard kf: If you check no items, choose "Cart," you'll be warned that you need to add to cart. Then select items. You've already selected "Cart," so the onchange event can't fire now. You have to have a button to click. 14:28 kf when choosing new list a new window opens 14:28 kf mark items, pull down add to cart - saves 14:27 kf when I click on add to cart it works without the save 14:27 kf hm 14:27 oleonard Add to: -> Cart -> Save 14:26 oleonard It saves either to your cart or a list, depending on which is selected 14:26 kf the one above a result list 14:26 kf hm, question what does the save button in opac do? 14:15 oleonard Cool, I'll try to take a look later today 14:15 tcohen oleonard: sent 13:50 tcohen :-D 13:49 tcohen didn't whant to make it difficult for maintainer 13:49 tcohen no problem 13:49 oleonard tcohen: Why don't you go ahead and include the plugin with your patch 13:48 tcohen ok, i'll submit, should I note on the bug that it depends on your bug (jquery.cookies) 13:47 tcohen (meaning in spanish, session cookie) 13:47 tcohen tested and firefox says Expires: Al finalizar la sesión 13:47 tcohen yeap, 365 13:47 oleonard Maybe "expires: 365" ? 13:45 oleonard I guess you're right 13:44 tcohen i'll try, but read that no expires makes it a session cookie 13:44 tcohen how long do u think i'd make it live 13:44 oleonard I think the cookie will persist if you don't set any expiration 13:43 tcohen perfect, I just thoght that meant "infinite" when saw your code 13:43 oleonard Yes, that's what I wanted for my implementation 13:43 tcohen is it the right behaviour? 13:42 tcohen they dont get saved between sessions 13:42 tcohen when I set expires: 0 as you do 13:42 tcohen wanted to ask about cookies 13:42 oleonard Hi tcohen 13:42 tcohen hi oleonard 13:33 kmkale o_O 13:24 paul_p kf, yep 13:24 kf paul_p around? 13:19 druthb I think he shared some of it with me, somehow or other, or I caught something in Chicago that's just now catching up to me. 13:16 nengard he's back today, but he went to maine for me to do a training and got sick - which means that was the trip that would have gotten me sick this summer - so i am very appreciative!! 13:12 oleonard That's too bad. I noticed he hadn't been around. 13:11 nengard sekjal is recovering from a cold/flu thingy 13:11 * oleonard had never heard of git bisect 13:11 nengard HA! 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes 13:11 oleonard nengard, I think sekjal's comment on Bug 5595 means he should take the bug ;) 13:09 oleonard Hi #koha 13:00 JesseM Hi, jcamins 12:53 jcamins Good morning, #koha 12:51 JesseM Morning, druthb 12:50 druthb hi, JesseM! :) 12:43 JesseM Good morning #Koha 12:38 mtj heya hdl, thank you for helping out with the hudson/jenkins server 12:37 jwagner bonjour hdl 12:36 hdl hi all 11:41 magnuse hiya druthb 11:41 druthb hi, magnuse and kf. :) 11:39 kf hi druthb :) 11:33 magnus_lunch o/ 11:32 druthb good morning, #koha. 11:32 gmcharlt mtj: yes, they're valid for local use 11:28 ebegin good morning #koha! 10:31 mtj hmmm, theres nothing really in the items table to map it to, afaict 10:28 kmkale brb. meeting 10:28 mtj i recall galen saying they were valid?, by the marc specs... 10:27 mtj fyi: i've never got round to testing UPPERCASE subfields 952$A , 952$B, etc 10:27 kmkale & then map it in Koha? 10:26 mtj make a new 952$A perhaps? 10:26 mtj hah, pass… prolly a item-level 952 field is best 10:22 kmkale "Description of the additional physical form(s) and any text not belonging in the other subfields" 10:22 kmkale 530$a maybe? 10:18 mtj well, i dont…but *you* could if you really needed too :) 10:13 kmkale :( 09:56 mtj in other words.. you dont ;) 09:56 mtj yr item links to that record 09:55 mtj yr invoice number is an aqorders record 09:43 kmkale i mean which marc tag? 09:43 kmkale where in a biblio or item record marc field would I put vendors invoice number? 09:41 * magnuse breathes a sigh of relief 09:39 mtj 18:00:00 Wednesday March 2, 2011 in UTC converts to 07:00:00 Thursday March 3, 2011 in NZ 09:39 mtj magnuse: oops , you are correct 09:36 magnuse mtj: but not for another ~32 hours, i think? 09:36 sijobl i wonder if geonet know their felt it page is 404ing 09:34 kf hm 09:33 mtj (nz tyme) 09:33 mtj and a 7am koha-irc meeting, i think 09:32 mtj sweet dreams chrissa :) 09:32 mtj i've got some late-nite prod kohas to upgrade... 09:31 sijobl ideally, inside tepapa 09:31 rangi course that has downsides in eruptions, ask the people around tarawera 09:31 sijobl damn straight 09:31 * sijobl laughs 09:31 rangi raupo sijobl, thats the ticket 09:31 sijobl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake 09:31 rangi right im off to blenheim in the morning for a conference, time to sleep i think 09:30 sijobl don't build you roof out of mud bricks 09:30 mtj wow, 30, 000 09:30 sijobl which killed almost 30,000 people 09:30 sijobl interesting comment from a geologist on the radio a couple of days ago that the earthquake in Chch was largely the saame depth and magnitude as the Bam earthquake in Iran 09:26 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/latest.html 09:25 rangi ahh nice and deep, stay that way 09:19 sijobl maybe they've just decided to go to the pub 09:19 rangi yeah 09:19 * sijobl guesses the geonet people have been run off their feet this week 09:19 rangi did the tides tell you that? 09:19 mtj wrong time on my linode server perhaps 09:18 sijobl they're definitely going to want you then 09:18 mtj rangi: your comment was really [10:10] 09:18 sijobl ohh, you're an hour early 09:18 mtj [09:10] but i just felt that one, waiting for it to show up on geonet 09:17 sijobl that'll rule you out as a human seismograph 09:16 mtj aaah, my dirc-proxy messages are timestamped off by 1 hour 09:14 rangi waiting for geonet to tell us magnitude and centre 09:14 rangi no thats what we are talking about mtj 09:14 sijobl hey mason 09:14 sijobl and fairly well attached to some solid rock 09:14 mtj heya si :) 09:13 sijobl I'm guessing they're away from roads 09:13 sijobl the drums are in quite out of the way places 09:12 magnuse nope that looks rather crazy, sijobl 09:12 mtj i just felt one 10 mins ago in wgtn… was i imagining it? 09:11 sijobl viewing, I should say 09:11 sijobl that MQZ drum really doesn't make pretty reading 09:11 magnuse http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/shakenz-interactive.html looks like several 5s in the wellington area? 09:10 ibeardslee looks like they felt it though 09:10 rangi yeah 09:10 sijobl judging by the MRZ drump 09:10 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mrz-drum.html 09:10 sijobl looks like it was further north of Wellington 09:10 magnuse oh, wow 09:09 sijobl wellington drum updated 09:08 sijobl rangi: we've got tohias kids coming to stay shortly 09:08 kf :( 09:08 ibeardslee shite 09:05 sijobl I heard it coming 09:05 sijobl paul: that was strong enough to have me running for the kids 09:05 rangi nothing on the drums yet 09:05 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/wel-drum.html 09:05 * paul_p keep finger crossed too... 09:04 rangi thats the chch drum 09:04 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html 09:04 rangi yeah me too 09:04 sijobl I hope that wasn't in christchurch 09:04 sijobl cripes 09:04 rangi but i just felt that one, waiting for it to show up on geonet 09:03 rangi well chch has been getting aftershocks (they will for the next few months, 5000ish since the first earthquake in september 4) 09:03 paul_p a new EQ now ? 09:02 rangi yes it was 09:02 wahanui1 rangi, is there something new ? on your side, couldn't find time to work on complementary patches as I promised to do :( 09:02 paul_p rangi, ??? 09:01 rangi hmm i think that was just an earthquake 09:00 paul_p rangi, thx for this small discussion. sweet evening & night. 08:54 rangi yeah 08:54 paul_p there's only 1 thing missing in the available columns, the dependancy (I think they could not have it because the dep graph can be complex...) 08:51 rangi id prefer outside signoff, but any sign off is better than none 08:51 paul_p back to my previous question : can I sign-off BibLibre patches ? 08:50 rangi so will stay the way you set it 08:50 magnuse wow, cool! 08:49 rangi its sets a cookie 08:49 paul_p bugzilla++ 08:49 paul_p ok, got it ! 08:49 rangi that allows you to set up the columns you want to show 08:49 rangi see a button called 'change columns' 08:49 rangi scroll to the bottom 08:49 rangi do a search 08:48 rangi ahh i might have switched that on global 08:47 paul_p (rangi, I have it too, and I did nothing specific for that) 08:46 rangi i have patch status that shows on my results 08:46 rangi yeah 08:46 paul_p rangi, do you know if there is a way in bugzilla for a given user to change what is displayed on results page ? (would be handy to also have bug reporter) 08:43 paul_p side note for all: julian, our student coming for 6 months has arrived today. 08:43 paul_p rangi, can I sign-off myself ? (patches are from us, but splitted by you, so I think it can be worth) 08:42 rangi just adding more bugs/patches, i hope to finish all of them in the next 2 weeks, and from then on i will start testing any that others havent gotten too, obviously if others can signoff before then, that will make that bit take a lot less time 08:40 paul_p rangi, is there something new ? on my side, couldn't find time to work on complementary patches as I promised to do :( 08:39 rangi yep, have a few mins 08:36 paul_p rangi do you have a few min to speak about the integration of our branches (or we plan a time later) ? 08:35 rangi yep 08:32 paul_p i'm afraid too, but we still can hope... 08:30 rangi the people who should read it wont im afraid :) 08:29 paul_p ;-) 08:29 paul_p lessons to be learnt there. 08:29 paul_p about, a lot of how not to interact with a free software community 08:29 paul_p rangi++ for PS the Jenkins story is an interesting one, and one worth reading 08:20 kf hi paul_p 08:17 paul_p hello everybody ! 08:14 kf hehe 08:12 magnuse i have been telling people it says "about 1000", guess i better change that to "about 1200" ;-) 08:12 magnuse yay! 08:11 kf lib-web-cats tells 1218 koha libraries today - about 300 more than a year ago. And it's only the installations listed there... :) 08:08 huginn kf: Karma for "hudson" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 08:08 kf @karma hudson 08:08 kf jenkins++ 08:08 kf biblibre++ 08:01 rangi its probably easiest if i get a login to set it up then hand it over, theres a bunch of setting up environmental variables etc 08:01 magnuse kia ora paul_p 07:55 magnuse o/ 07:55 francharb ;) 07:55 francharb \0/ 07:55 magnuse biblibre++ 07:54 francharb morning #koha 07:52 hdl will talk with paul and send you an email when a VM is up and running... We will then be able to import the database. 07:50 rangi getting the koha part set up is what takes a bit of mucking around but its not too bad, just need to dump the db thats on the current one, and copy it over 07:49 rangi getting jenkins up and going is pretty easy, add the apt repository, apt-get install it, and its done 07:48 rangi needs about a gig to run smoothly, if we have a decent sized disk we can keep more history too, which makes tracking coverage easier 07:47 hdl rangi: what would be the RAM requirements for jenkins and which module have you installed ? BibLibre could be interested in hosting the site. 07:46 magnuse hiya 07:46 hdl hi 07:18 rangi gutenberg even 07:18 rangi right loaded in 35343 marc records from project guteberg 07:04 cait bbl 07:04 cait ok, time to get ready for work 07:01 Cybermon i will do it 07:00 Cybermon thanks a lot. 06:59 eythian by 'run update' I mean run apt-get update 06:59 eythian if you switch your comment character (#) to the other one, and then run update, remove koha-common and reinstall it, you should get the stable version. 06:59 Cybermon okay. 06:58 eythian Cybermon: the squeeze-dev repo is the dev release, the 'squeeze' one, which you have commented out, is the stable one. 06:57 jransom hiya Cailin 06:57 cait hi jransom :) 06:57 jransom evening all 06:55 Cybermon or install the stable version of koha ? 06:55 Cybermon how can i use stable version ? 06:54 rangi then yes you are running the dev releases, not the stable ones 06:54 Cybermon for sources.list 06:54 Cybermon i have #koha deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main 06:53 rangi 19:50 < cait> you can make additionl fields show there 06:53 rangi 19:50 < cait> administration > bibliographic marc frameworks 06:51 Cybermon but I could not see #084 for koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl 06:50 Cybermon then #082|<br/><br/><label>Dewey Class. No.: </label>|{ 082a }{ / 082b }| #084|<br/><br/><label>Russian. No.: </label>|{ 084a }{ / 084b }| 06:49 Cybermon Home › Administration › System Preferences > IntranetBiblioDefaultView > ISBN form (see below) enabled 06:46 Cybermon thanks. 06:46 rangi http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/ 06:45 Cybermon i see 06:45 rangi thats probably not very good for 3.3.x (which will be 3.4.0 when its released) 06:44 Cybermon i am using the Wayne State University Koha 3.0 Reference Manual 06:44 rangi did you add the squeeze or squeeze-dev repo? 06:44 cait you can make additionl fields show there 06:44 cait administration > bibliographic marc frameworks 06:43 Cybermon how can i enable 084 OTHER CLASSIFICATION NUMBER for cataloging section ?, i have only 082 DEWEY DECIMAL CLASSIFICATION NUMBER for cataloging section. 06:42 eythian apt-get will keep you up to date, but yeah, 3.3 is the dev version. It depends what you're trying to do as to which you should use. 06:42 cait which manual did you use? 06:41 Cybermon okay. 06:41 cait I haven't used the packages so far, eythian still around? 06:41 cait hm it looks like you instlled the dev version - 3.03 is above the 3.2.x versions 06:38 Cybermon for example 3.2.5 etc... 06:38 Cybermon may I need for update the koha version ? 06:37 Cybermon I just installed the koha for ubuntu. this installation made by apt-get install. koha version is 3.03.00.017 06:36 Cybermon thanks Cait ! 06:36 cait hi Cybermon, ask your question, before we don't know if we can help you :) 06:35 * indradg waves back at kmkale :) 06:35 Cybermon i have question, anyone help me 06:35 Cybermon hello 06:34 * kmkale waves at indradg 06:31 cait hi kmkale :) 06:31 kmkale hi cait 06:30 eythian I'm also very much a proponent of using XML tools for parsing XML. I've seen it done wrong too many times. 06:29 cait but it's still very cool 06:29 cait I need it for control-number all the time, and for the additionl fields in items 06:29 cait :) 06:28 eythian dunno, this is a one-off thing I need to do as part of a migration script (to look up the IDs from the legacy system that I stash in the MARC) 06:28 cait is it possible that the xml functions are much slower than some weird substring() constructs I used before? 06:27 eythian (preparing to squeezify it now) 06:27 rangi ahh, time to update :) 06:26 eythian my dev setup :) 06:26 rangi what is running 5.0 ? 06:26 Brooke_ guten tag 06:26 eythian nyarg, mysql 5.0 doesn't have XML functions :( 06:26 cait hi :) 06:25 rangi hi cait 06:25 cait good morning #koha 06:22 rangi sorta kmkale 05:51 kmkale rangi: around? 05:47 Brooke_ lovely to hear! 05:45 kmkale gr8 05:45 Brooke_ how are things? 05:45 kmkale :) 05:45 Brooke_ Namaskar 05:45 kmkale Namaskar #koha 05:00 Brooke_ kia ora 01:47 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 10.8�C (5:53 PM PST on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). 01:47 brendan_ @wunder 93109 01:42 oleonard Thanks eythian 01:33 eythian though, I have done direct connections with other people on ekiga. 01:32 eythian oleonard: hmm. I don't think so, but possibly. I was running through an asterisk server. 01:32 oleonard eythian: Did you use it to connect to people on other platforms? 01:31 eythian oleonard: I used it a long time ago, and yes. 01:31 * chris_n has that box spilling its guts now :) 01:31 chris_n the guys on #perl are awesome if I do say so 01:31 oleonard Is that the preferred video chat tool on Linux? 01:31 oleonard Anyone use Ekiga? 01:30 oleonard I have an off-topic question for anyone who's around 01:14 mtj thats gansta 01:11 eythian ah, fun times :/ 01:09 * chris_n is doing a bit of hacking on a piece of equipment control hardware which uses a proprietary data protocol 01:07 * chris_n either 01:07 eythian I've done very little network stuff with Perl, so probably aren't much help. 01:07 chris_n http://scsys.co.uk:8002/90480?tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it! 01:07 eythian ah 01:07 eythian https://www.indexdata.com/blog/2011/01/preferring-open-source-software <-- interesting 01:07 chris_n because tcpdump shows the data in the packet is not correct 01:06 chris_n eythian: that's what I'm doing, but somebody is doing some foo on it somewhere 01:05 eythian chris_n: writing hex? Just use 'print'? 00:59 mtj heh, nope :) 00:58 chris_n a bit off topic, but does anybody have any experience writing hex out an inet socket in perl? 00:20 * Brooke_ waves to Chris N 00:19 Brooke_ :) 00:18 rangi hi Brooke_ 00:18 Brooke_ kia ora