Time  Nick              Message
23:59 rangi             another earthquake
23:59 rangi             crap
23:43 bg                enjoy
23:41 druthb            just popping in a bit before dinner with a really great library director, then down to a mess of nitty-gritty tonight.
23:41 druthb            hi, bg!
23:37 bg                heya druthb
23:37 druthb            at least the sleet stopped.  for now.
23:37 huginn            druthb: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is -2.3�C (5:43 PM CST on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.25 in 990.4 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Tuesday... 
23:37 druthb            @wunder Chicago, IL
22:58 rangi             also, what XML parser are you using?
22:57 rangi             and fyi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-NYTProf/
22:57 bencahill         will do, thanks
22:56 rangi             try tuning your mysql
22:56 bencahill         rangi: right, shouldn't take that long :P
22:55 bencahill         5 seconds for going from home to circulation after login
22:55 rangi             a bunch of selects, and outputting a template
22:55 * bencahill       times
22:54 rangi             and yeah if browsing the interface isnt coming up within seconds, theres something up, and chances are its mysql, because browsing the interface isnt doing anything else
22:54 rangi             yes
22:54 bencahill         I thought it was just searching...
22:53 bencahill         rangi: zebra doesn't affect browsing the admin interface, does it?
22:53 rangi             nozebra is much slower
22:53 rangi             well theres half your problem right there then too :)
22:53 bencahill         not running zebra...
22:53 rangi             and yeah 600MB is too little to run apache, mysql, zebra
22:52 bencahill         the profiler?
22:52 rangi             use the profiler
22:52 bencahill         rangi: what do you use that's better?
22:52 eythian           unless the driver is spinlocking or something terrible
22:52 rangi             it does
22:52 eythian           rangi: it shouldn't...
22:52 rangi             because it will sit at 90% when its mostly asking mysql to do stuff
22:52 bencahill         doesn't show disk usage?
22:51 bencahill         rangi: why is that?
22:51 bencahill         rangi: depends on your usage scenario :)
22:51 rangi             top is not a good indicator
22:51 rangi             and yeah 600MB is a tiny amount of RAM :)
22:50 bencahill         eythian: yeah, the .pl's
22:50 bencahill         rangi: o_o d'oh :)
22:50 bencahill         rangi: well the ram is not anywhere near filled up (like 200MB out of 600MB), that's what I'm saying
22:50 eythian           but if it's the .pl using the CPU, rather than mysql...
22:50 rangi             it wont use more than you allocate it
22:50 rangi             its how much RAM mysql can use
22:50 rangi             yeah, that doesnt really matter (the swap)
22:49 bencahill         rangi, eythian: not using any swap...
22:49 bencahill         eythian: dunno, top shows the .pl scripts taking up 90-100% cpu during a pageload
22:49 eythian           (or RAM, yeah)
22:49 rangi             its more likely ram thats the bottleneck that cpu
22:49 eythian           hmm, probably shouldn't be. Is it really CPU, or is it database?
22:49 bencahill         rangi: not slow like that, I'm on a lan :D
22:49 bencahill         eythian: doesn't seem like it should be that slow on a p4 1.6 tho, right? :P
22:49 rangi             bencahill: put the expires headers out on the .css .js and image files
22:48 eythian           more CPU :)
22:48 bencahill         rangi: lol :)
22:48 bencahill         rangi: anything I can do to make it go faster?
22:48 rangi             not unless you want to lie to patrons ;)
22:48 rangi             because you cant actually cache the results
22:48 bencahill         ...(bottleneck is cpu)
22:48 eythian           I wouldn't expect it to a whole lot
22:48 rangi             not really no
22:47 bencahill         would squid speed up koha (on a slow-ish server)?
22:43 wizzyrea          brr
22:43 huginn            identify: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -6.2�C (4:49 PM CST on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening...
22:43 identify          @wunder 56001
22:41 wizzyrea          it seems like you may want to give them more than that
22:40 eythian           they output unparsable data :(
22:40 eythian           I really want to find whoever implemented liberty/concordance's CSV export and give them a good ... talking to.
22:40 rangi             cool :)
22:39 wizzyrea          can't say I've ever had to do that one before... I'll know better next time
22:35 wizzyrea          now*
22:35 wizzyrea          ok I see what you mean no
22:34 rangi             i made 5790 depend on 1959
22:34 wizzyrea          ohh... I added the "see also" url
22:34 rangi             i use the depends or blocks links
22:34 wizzyrea          did I do it wrong?
22:34 wizzyrea          yep
22:31 rangi             were you gonna link the 2 bugs?
22:27 nengard           no prob
22:24 wizzyrea          I was only adding a CC!
22:24 wizzyrea          sorry bw peeps for all the mail :P
22:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1959 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, No warning when you delete a biblio with a subscription
22:22 wizzyrea          bug 1959
22:22 wizzyrea          oh yes good point ty
22:22 rangi             make sure you link 1959 to that
22:13 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds
22:13 wizzyrea          bug 5790
22:02 jcamins           Good night, #koha
22:02 jcamins           Dinner time.
21:45 nengard           hmmm
21:41 wizzyrea          :/
21:41 wizzyrea          about checking before you delete
21:41 wizzyrea          or you have to be super-vigilant
21:39 rangi             not until those bugs are fixed, no
21:38 nengard           so basically we should never ever delete bib records
21:35 wizzyrea          so that's there.
21:35 jcamins           Meaning that we emptied our kitchen for naught.
21:35 jcamins           The exterminator went to Manhattan instead of coming here.
21:35 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1959 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, No warning when you delete a biblio with a subscription
21:35 wizzyrea          bug 1959
21:35 jcamins           Bleck.
21:34 rangi             deleting a biblio tht has a journal subscription attached can make a big pile of mess
21:33 wizzyrea          k
21:33 rangi             we need to check those too
21:33 rangi             wizzyrea: add subscriptions to the list
21:33 rangi             we check for issues, but not holds
21:33 * wizzyrea        goes to file it
21:33 rangi             yep, its a definite bug that should be fixed
21:33 wizzyrea          we assume that you don't care, and we don't alert
21:32 rangi             yes
21:32 wizzyrea          because right, now, we do both
21:32 wizzyrea          ok cool that's the direction I was leaning
21:32 rangi             assumption is the mother of all f**k ups
21:32 rangi             no and yes
21:31 wizzyrea          also, if you are deleting the last item, should you be alerted that there are still holds on the item?
21:31 wizzyrea          that you don't care about any holds attached to that bib?
21:30 wizzyrea          should we assume that if you are deleting a bib record
21:30 wizzyrea          so philosophically speaking
21:14 * magnuse         wishes #koha a good night (or other time of the day - you choose!)
21:12 wizzyrea          "This item had holds on it, here's what we know about them so you can merge: "
21:12 wizzyrea          would be to spit out the un-merged holds as an error.
21:12 wizzyrea          a stopgap for that though, since we should *never* lose data
21:10 wizzyrea          by... oh bother.
21:09 sekjal            have a great night, #koha!
21:09 sekjal            looking forward to diving into this, but unfortunately, I must depart, and pack for my trip to Maine
21:09 * jcamins         imagines all sorts of interesting possibilities for complex merges.
21:09 wizzyrea          well that's better than no merge at all
21:08 sekjal            then we can implement more down the road, if need be
21:08 sekjal            add a checkbox for the merger to pick their strategy
21:08 sekjal            even techier:  zipper merge.  alternate between holds on each biblio, 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6
21:06 wizzyrea          a tickbox "merge holds? (Warning: holds will be ordered based upon date placed. Old priority number will be in the notes"
21:05 sekjal            perhaps a 'select all holds from both bibs', 'order by date created', 'loop through and add to kept biblio' approach
21:04 wizzyrea          I can't think of any reason why adding a note with the old priority wouldn't be sufficient. If you have a bib with a ton of manual edits, it's probably better to not automerge them anyway
21:02 sekjal            I've got some code that'll fix priority orders.... so doing it this way won't take too much more
21:02 wizzyrea          right
21:01 sekjal            so long as it added to any existing note, rather than replaced
21:01 sekjal            could do
21:01 wizzyrea          or merged from position x on bib XXXXX
21:01 wizzyrea          add a note: automerge?
21:01 sekjal            in case of any manual reordering having taken place
21:01 sekjal            ordering by date placed would make the most sense most of the time, but there'd need to be a warning
21:00 wizzyrea          I suppose you could just print the dang thing :P
21:00 wizzyrea          so at least you have a list of the holds
21:00 wizzyrea          what might help would be an option to "export hold queue" from a bib
20:59 wizzyrea          right, i imagine that's tough
20:53 sekjal            the biggest technical problem with that is how to order the holds queue once the two records are merged
20:46 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, merging records loses holds from one
20:46 wizzyrea          you are right: bug 5459
20:46 JesseM            thank you magnuse!
20:46 * space_librarian joins magnuse in late greetings
20:46 jcamins           wizzyrea: I think there's a bug report about that.
20:46 wizzyrea          okies
20:45 rangi             wizzyrea: you'll need to ask biblibre
20:45 * magnuse         greets JesseM (better late than never...)
20:45 wizzyrea          the bib merging function: does or does not (or is or is not supposed to) merge holds?
20:45 rangi             yep, bulkmarcimport.pl will complain
20:45 rangi             exception handling ftw
20:45 jcamins           I mean, sure, an error message there too, but a vendor should not be able to send invalid records.
20:44 rangi             but ppl can poke at the db, it should complain anywhere that it might be a problem
20:44 rangi             there too
20:44 jcamins           It should be complaining at the point when the record enters into the system.
20:44 jcamins           It seems to me that the fines cron job is the wrong place to complain, though.
20:43 rangi             well that should be fixed to complain all the time loudly then :)
20:42 jcamins           rangi: sometimes.
20:42 rangi             cron doesnt even complain?
20:42 space_librarian   like an evil ninja?
20:42 jcamins           rangi: it breaks stuff, silently.
20:41 JesseM            Hi nengard
20:41 rangi             nope, but i can imagine it would, having a null homebranch seems like a pretty bad situation for an item to be in, id hope it would break stuff or at least yell loudly so it can be put in a branch, rather than silently failing
20:40 nengard           Hi JesseM
20:38 jcamins           Has anyone else experienced an item with a NULL homebranch breaking the fines cron job?
20:38 * jcamins         waves to his new coworker.
20:38 JesseM            hello rangi
20:38 JesseM            great to be a part of the Koha community. cant wait to work with you all.
20:38 rangi             hi JesseM
20:37 JesseM            thank you wizzyrea
20:36 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/veNtGShW at one point I had that column hidden with jquery, but for the life of me I can't nuke it again
20:36 wizzyrea          welcome :)
20:36 wizzyrea          Oo! Hi there!
20:36 NateC             Hi Everyone, I would love to introduce the newest member of the ByWater Team, Jesse Maseto
20:35 JesseM            hello all
20:35 wizzyrea          hi JesseM
20:35 bg                hey JesseM
20:34 wizzyrea          gnite cait
20:34 cait              good night all
20:32 wizzyrea          oops
20:31 sekjal            repeated variable name
20:31 wizzyrea          but happy it's ez to fix
20:31 wizzyrea          the 2nd way more important than the 1st
20:31 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
20:31 wizzyrea          bug 4945
20:30 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Need a nicer error message when attempting to add a patron with no libraries defined
20:30 wizzyrea          bug 3319
20:30 sekjal            just found that the fix for 3319 breaks the previous work on 4945... but that's easy to patch, too
20:30 sekjal            :)
20:29 wizzyrea          sekjal++ for helpful, timely info
20:29 magnuse           fixed_bugs++
20:29 wizzyrea          but very good to know that the fix is in
20:29 wizzyrea          i just added something that looks like a driver so that the table looks pretty. It won't go into production that way
20:28 wizzyrea          :D
20:28 magnuse           wizzyrea: hardly... but it goes to show skimming through all those bug reports is not a total waste of time... ;-)
20:28 wizzyrea          what I did, for now
20:27 wizzyrea          aha
20:27 sekjal            the SMS bug shown above was a side-effect bug from trying to solve it
20:27 wizzyrea          cool beans :)
20:27 sekjal            fix was put out just a couple days ago
20:27 wizzyrea          k
20:27 wizzyrea          srs, lol
20:27 sekjal            bump to 19
20:27 wizzyrea          3.03
20:27 wizzyrea          db18
20:26 wizzyrea          :/
20:26 wizzyrea          not in my test install it's not
20:26 sekjal            that screen image you showed
20:26 sekjal            wizzyrea: oh, that's fixed
20:26 wizzyrea          magnuse: you are a genius
20:26 wizzyrea          even like, a space
20:26 wizzyrea          it might be broken
20:25 wizzyrea          if something was *ever* in there
20:25 wizzyrea          nothing in that syspref
20:25 wizzyrea          could it be that even if there's nothing there
20:25 wizzyrea          so
20:24 magnuse           ooh, thanks again - i had this nagging feeling it sounded kind of familiar
20:24 wizzyrea          magnuse++ again
20:24 wizzyrea          ty ty for finding that
20:24 wizzyrea          syspref
20:24 wizzyrea          and there's no way to nullify that table
20:23 wizzyrea          yes, that has to be it
20:23 wizzyrea          ooooo
20:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5765 trivial, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, patron messaging form template tests for SMS inconsistently
20:22 magnuse           wizzyrea: could your table trouble be related to bug 5765?
20:18 magnuse           thanks, no problem (i try to keep it up to date almost on a daily basis anyway...)
20:17 wizzyrea          thanks for updating your demo, really helpful :)
20:17 cait              magnuse++
20:17 wizzyrea          magnuse++
20:12 wizzyrea          me too
20:12 * magnuse         wishes it was always that easy... ;-)
20:10 wahanui           wizzyrea: I forgot problem
20:10 wizzyrea          forget the problem
20:10 wahanui           the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
20:10 wizzyrea          the problem
20:10 wizzyrea          bc I have it in two installs
20:09 wizzyrea          that just means it's something I've got going in ours
20:09 magnuse           cool, i guess...
20:07 wizzyrea          very ty, it's not wonky in yours
20:06 wizzyrea          oo ty magnuse
20:05 magnuse           wizzyrea: head.bibkat.no is up to date as of right now - login: demo/demo
20:04 * bencahill       loves open source support :D
20:04 bencahill         cait: well yeah, just setting up a very basic install here :)
20:04 cait              bencahill: if you don't change the indexing, have a sip server or ldap :)
20:04 bencahill         rangi: right
20:04 bencahill         rangi: good, just checking :)
20:04 rangi             the zebra config files too
20:03 bencahill         liw: ^^
20:03 bencahill         ah right, but that's just the koha-conf.xml? (and koha-httpd.conf, depending on your setup)
20:03 wizzyrea          it's about 9db revisions back from where I'm at
20:03 liw               bencahill, there's configuration files too
20:02 rangi             bencahill: yes
20:02 wizzyrea          hm it's right in the bywater demo
20:02 bencahill         so guys, everything is in the db, right? (e.g. if I want to start from scratch, backup, or restore from a backup, that's just the db?)
20:02 cait              ok, no idea then
20:01 * wizzyrea        goes to check the demos
20:01 wizzyrea          it's like this in at least two installs
20:01 cait              one of the messaging somethings you can choose
20:01 wizzyrea          hmm
20:01 wizzyrea          did I install it today? no. Is it running (nearly) the newest codebase? yes.
20:01 cait              I think my problem was related to miss one of the optional things during install
20:00 wizzyrea          define "new"
20:00 wizzyrea          err
20:00 wizzyrea          yea
20:00 cait              is it anew install?
20:00 cait              hm have seen that before
19:59 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/vfQLWYzQW
19:59 wizzyrea          What is funny about this table?
19:56 wizzyrea          hi :)
19:56 magnuse           hiya wizzyrea!
19:56 magnuse           and it's just monday?!? ;-)
19:54 nengard           I promised a video a week and I'm running out of ideas of my own :)
19:54 nengard           I'm up for more ideas
19:54 nengard           no prob!!
19:54 magnuse           lucky cait (and us)
19:54 cait              thx :)
19:54 cait              nengard++
19:54 nengard           just for cait: http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv/file/4795079/
19:46 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_3550' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a3f7c141798121a75fc9ee670af0fdde431d9c2> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_2742' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f75f964ba40b7bdd1911842bc43b4df095aee583> / Bug 3550 : Display changes needed in opac-results-grouped too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
19:33 NateC             Hi rangi!
19:32 rangi             heya NateC
19:32 NateC             hiya magnuse
19:32 magnuse           hiya NateC
19:29 nengard           be back in 30 min or so
19:29 nengard           logging off to record cait's suggestion
19:27 cait              nengard: cool :)
19:27 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5785 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Holds should catch new acquisitions
19:27 jcamins           Bug 5785 - anyone else encountered that?
19:27 nengard           since it's kind of hard to find (i agree)
19:26 nengard           i'll add that to my list
19:26 nengard           cait, no i don't think i did that one
19:25 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit32: Translation update for 3.2.4 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccfeb794b0c2e13ab41ffbab47b9bbbd78ff6590> / Revert "Partial fix for Bug 5745, Overdues with fines report not showing titles" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=993b250ffb1c49dc68a1b723b513008696726ce0> / Revert "Bug 5759 : displaying 2nd email if there is one on print template for borrowers" <http://
19:21 cait              but it's probably already there :)
19:20 cait              had to explain tht a lot of times
19:19 cait              override renewals?
19:19 nengard           :)
19:19 jcamins           nengard: then no.
19:19 nengard           that's one i did today :)
19:16 jcamins           Reports.
19:14 nengard           other video ideas from the crowd?  Here's what we have so far (not counting today's): http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv
19:12 huginn            jcamins: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 143 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 143.
19:12 jcamins           @karma nengard
19:12 jcamins           nengard++
19:11 nengard           waiting for them to convert to the right format so i can upload them
19:11 nengard           just finished two more tutorial videos
19:11 nengard           hiya
19:11 rangi             hi nengard
19:10 jcamins           Probably wise.
19:10 * rangi           emails to tell him to change the password now
19:10 rangi             no point scouring the logs, hes posted to a list that is archived all over the place
19:10 jcamins           Ouch.
19:09 jcamins           Oh.
19:09 rangi             thread
19:09 rangi             check the koha ldap authentification
19:09 jcamins           Yes, that's a good idea.
19:09 rangi             but its out there now
19:09 jcamins           Huh?
19:09 rangi             i was gonna scour the logs of it
19:09 rangi             posted to the list, and in here
19:09 jcamins           rangi: what?
19:09 rangi             man i hope thats not that guys real ad admin password
19:08 jcamins           So far as I can figure out, my setup is now identical to this one client's, but they continue to have all sorts of problems that I can't duplicate.
19:08 jcamins           Phooey.
19:08 rangi             but i wouldnt bet money on it
19:07 rangi             maybe
19:04 jcamins           If I were to copy all the files in var/lib/zebradb from one machine to another, would that work?
18:52 druthb            I'm hoping that Erikson will jump in with us some.  Thanx for the greets n stuff.  Back to ye old grindstone.  See y'all this evening.
18:52 jcamins           I see lots of records that are _4 instead of 4_.
18:51 jcamins           Lots of people get the first and second idicators confused on that one.
18:51 cait              hehe
18:51 jcamins           cait: yeah.
18:51 jcamins           msdiaf?
18:51 rangi             jcamins: msdiaf?
18:50 cait              undef? *guesses*
18:50 jcamins           rangi: but do you know what the second indicator should be?
18:50 * druthb          waves to cait.
18:50 druthb            you're a geek, rangi, but we love you.
18:50 * cait            waves to druthb and the ericson institute
18:50 rangi             Sadly I knew that
18:49 huginn            rangi: Citations or references to published bibliographic descriptions, reviews, abstracts, or indexes of the content of the described item. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,x,3,6,8]
18:49 rangi             @marc 510
18:49 rangi             There we go
18:49 huginn            druthb: Highest karma: "chris" (236), "oleonard" (235), and "gmcharlt" (216).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-88), "failed" (-49), and "-" (-34).  You (druthb) are ranked 12 out of 1234.
18:49 druthb            @karma
18:49 wahanui           rangi: Police are examining all internet packets in the search for a narco-net-trafficker
18:49 rangi             wahanui: excuse
18:48 rangi             I'm not sure that one will fly wahanui
18:48 wahanui           rangi: terrorist activities
18:48 rangi             wahanui: excuse
18:48 wahanui           it has been said that documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
18:48 druthb            documentation?
18:48 rangi             Excuse
18:47 wahanui           i heard druthb was quite possibly insane, but she fits right in at ByWater Solutions, because of it.
18:47 druthb            wahanui:  druthb?
18:46 bg                yup rangi wins
18:46 * rangi           wins
18:45 rangi             bg: the bot speaks a few languages
18:45 huginn            druthb: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is -1.6�C (12:51 PM CST on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Light Ice Pellets. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa (Rising).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Tuesday... 
18:45 druthb            @wunder chicago, IL
18:45 huginn            bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.0�C (10:50 AM PST on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
18:45 bg                @wunder 93109
18:45 huginn            rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on February 22, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
18:45 rangi             @wunder wellington nz
18:45 bg                privet?
18:45 wahanui           privet, bg
18:45 bg                hi there
18:44 rangi             Ata marie from aotearoa
18:44 rangi             Hi erikson institute
18:44 wizzy_lunch       Hi peeps :)
18:43 druthb            howdy, #koha!  Showing the Erikson Institute the IRC! :)    New Koha library!
18:37 mib_d05vwu        ok
18:35 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/01/12/easy-screenshots/
18:33 cait              morning bg
18:33 jcamins           Morning.
18:33 bg                morning
18:32 mib_d05vwu        http://miburl.com/NeaL6Q
18:31 mib_d05vwu        http://mibpaste.com/J8xEpe
18:30 cait              can you upload the pic somewhere?
18:30 cait              morning rangi
18:30 rangi             Morning
18:29 mib_d05vwu        how add a screenshot?
18:28 mib_d05vwu        screenshot
18:28 mib_d05vwu        ok
18:27 mib_d05vwu        the problem is that dont show me return date, when i renewal
18:26 cait              if you renew and the date does not change, and the book was checked out today, it's probably calculated form today
18:26 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: maybe you could take a screenshot and show us what you're talking about?
18:26 cait              there are different options for the calculation of a renewal - you can add it to the date due or it can be calculated from the current date
18:25 mib_d05vwu        but dont show me nothind
18:25 mib_d05vwu        yes i know that...
18:25 cait              if you want to renew it to a specific date you can enter one in the field
18:25 cait              normally a book will be renewed for the time you set as loan period in your circ matrix under administration
18:24 mib_d05vwu        if not then return the book
18:24 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: yes, it's supposed to be blank.
18:24 mib_d05vwu        :(
18:24 mib_d05vwu        yes, appears in blanck
18:24 cait              the due date field is only there to set a different date than the one calculated from your loan rules
18:24 cait              that's ok
18:23 mib_d05vwu        appears in blank
18:23 cait              you renewed successfully but the date didn't change?
18:23 mib_d05vwu        dont show me retun date
18:23 mib_d05vwu        the same book...
18:23 mib_d05vwu        but....if i do a renewal  of this book
18:22 mib_d05vwu        this show me a return date
18:22 mib_d05vwu        i lend a book
18:22 cait              you want to renew an item that is checked out?
18:21 mib_d05vwu        ok
18:21 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: what are you trying to do?
18:21 mib_d05vwu        mmm.. i dont und....
18:20 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: you probably shouldn't be editing items that are already checked out.
18:19 mib_d05vwu        appears in blank
18:18 mib_d05vwu        other question...why dont show me a renewal date?
18:18 mib_d05vwu        yes
18:18 cait              ah cool :)
18:17 nengard           screencast time - will log back in when done :)
18:17 mib_d05vwu        cait other question...
18:16 mib_d05vwu        and now this incremental from this
18:16 mib_d05vwu        add a loger barcode...
18:16 mib_d05vwu        :)
18:16 mib_d05vwu        yes its work
18:11 hdl               gmcharlt: around ?
18:09 mib_d05vwu        ok
18:09 cait              but not sure what will happen - probably won't work
18:09 cait              I would try and just add a new item with a longer barcode
18:06 mib_d05vwu        cait, where i add a longer barcode
18:06 mib_d05vwu        but where?
18:05 mib_d05vwu        i think the same..
18:05 mib_d05vwu        where?
18:05 mib_d05vwu        mm...whare?
18:03 cait              hm, I wonder what would happen when you add a longer barcode - if it would count from that perhaps
18:02 cait              mib_d05vwu: there is no way in configuration at the moment to change the length of the autobarcode feature
17:58 mib_d05vwu        i wait
17:58 mib_d05vwu        thanks
17:58 mib_d05vwu        ok
17:58 jcamins           I don't think he's around at the moment.
17:57 jcamins           chris_n might know the answer.
17:55 mib_d05vwu        :(
17:55 mib_d05vwu        i need 6
17:55 mib_d05vwu        this generates 4 number
17:54 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: I don't know much about the autobarcode code.
17:53 mib_d05vwu        ??
17:53 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 5776 - menu on funds wraps when only 1 fund <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e9579692fe46dc821776db544a7ad71dd4f174b> / Bug 5741 - Extra comma causes JavaScript error in Internet Explorer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1895546dbbf6627f9a02b879c86817a302f1b765> / Bug 5777 Update and install syspref tab titles <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
17:53 mib_d05vwu        how I can do to generate 6
17:53 mib_d05vwu        i need 6
17:53 mib_d05vwu        but only generates 4 number
17:52 mib_d05vwu        i have my koha autobarcode in incremental
17:52 jcamins           Also, you may want to change your nick to something more typable. ;)
17:52 mib_d05vwu        thnaks
17:52 mib_d05vwu        ok
17:51 jcamins           Anyone who can help you will.
17:51 jcamins           mib_d05vwu: go ahead and ask.
17:51 mib_d05vwu        hi i have a question about autobarcode
17:50 mib_d05vwu        hi
17:50 mib_d05vwu        about autobarcode
17:50 mib_d05vwu        i have a question
17:49 wahanui           bonjour, mib_d05vwu
17:49 mib_d05vwu        hi
16:46 nengard           got it going again
16:46 nengard           thanks all
16:45 hdl               And you commit
16:45 hdl               then you edit the conflict
16:45 hdl               nengard: if you want to be able to edit the code to make it pass... git am -3
16:43 cait              :)
16:43 cait              and hi liz
16:43 jcamins           I've never done it, I just think that's how I would.
16:43 cait              ah, jcmains said the same
16:42 cait              but I did it before
16:42 cait              not sure
16:42 cait              git am --abort
16:42 jcamins           git am --abort?
16:42 nengard           git question for any git experts on -  how do i 'stop' git am:    It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase.
16:42 wizzyrea          hey cait
16:28 cait              hi #koha
15:38 jcamins           You need all three.
15:38 jcamins           Oops, I forgot issuingrules.
15:37 wizzyrea          koha_circ_rules++
15:37 wizzyrea          Ah thanks, will look
15:36 jcamins           wizzyrea: branch_borrower_rules and branch_item_rules?
15:31 wizzyrea          hmm where are we keeping the circ rules in the db these days?
15:28 jcamins           Okay, I think it comes from search.pm.
15:27 jcamins           So why is it populated?
15:26 jcamins           It's not set.
15:22 jcamins           Anyone have any idea where "summary" comes from on the OPAC results template?
15:22 * wizzyrea        has had it hidden from our librarians for a long time
15:22 * jcamins         doesn't use it at all.
15:21 wizzyrea          i just wondered what people actually use that for
15:21 wizzyrea          if you click it, it populates the search with the current title/isbn
15:20 wizzyrea          that's what I'm wondering
15:20 * wizzyrea        is glad she has no incriminating tabs open
15:20 jcamins           Overlaying?
15:20 jcamins           I don't think I ever noticed that before.
15:20 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/MSFSaWhqkcCf
15:19 * jcamins         goes to look for it.
15:19 jcamins           z39.50 button on the bib detail page?
15:19 wizzyrea          what is a use case for that?
15:19 wizzyrea          can anyone explain to me the rationale behind the z39.50 button on the bib detail page?
15:18 jcamins           I knew it was coming. I noticed last week that there was something off about my chair.
15:17 wizzyrea          that's alarming for a monday
15:17 wizzyrea          !
15:17 wizzyrea          .......
15:17 jcamins           ;)
15:17 jcamins           But I leaned back, and when my back hit the back of the chair, both backs kept going.
15:17 jcamins           Not all the way.
15:16 wizzyrea          did you fall down?
15:16 wizzyrea          ....
15:16 jcamins           My chair just broke.
15:16 wizzyrea          !!
15:16 jcamins           I do have something "oh no"-worthy to report, though.
15:15 jcamins           wizzyrea: oh, I got it straightened out.
15:13 wizzyrea          re: your git repo
15:13 jcamins           wizzyrea: oh no?
15:11 wizzyrea          oh no
14:41 jcamins           Uh-oh. I just made my entire git repository unreadable.
14:40 jcamins           Hm.
14:39 kmkale            sorry jcamins that should be "error: pathspec 'installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl' did not match any file(s) known to git."
14:39 kmkale            jcamins: rror: pathspec 'installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.p' did not match any file(s) known to git.
14:38 jcamins           kmkale: git checkout HEAD -- installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
14:38 sekjal_away       hmmm
14:35 kmkale            error: pathspec 'installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl' did not match any file(s) known to git.
14:31 kf                ah, sekjal :)
14:31 sekjal_away       git checkout installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
14:31 kf                kmkale: could a git add work?
14:28 kmkale            :)
14:28 jcamins           Probably better not to risk it. If you say gmcharlt's name three times in a row, though, sometimes he appears and solves everyone's git problems. :)
14:27 jcamins           kmkale: I'm not sure.
14:26 * kmkale          is afraid of git :(
14:26 kmkale            jcamins: will that revert in anyway hurt my work in progress?
14:25 jcamins           kmkale: I think you can do a git revert, can't you?
14:24 jcamins           How do I force git to either ignore file permissions or reset them?
14:23 kmkale            i did a "git rm on installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl" by mistake. How do I get that file from the origin repository?
14:08 huginn            hdl: The operation succeeded.
14:08 hdl               @later tell thd The invariant number of results is fixed. It was owed to a bad Regexp::Grammars version (it was a bit old on the machine you tested). I have added a z3950 configuration file. Should be better now. We are still struggling with the bad MARC....
13:48 * magnuse         too
13:47 * jcamins         waves at everyone on #koha
13:46 NateC             hi hdl
13:46 tcohen            hi hdl, jcamins
13:46 NateC             hiya kf
13:46 kf                hi NateC
13:46 hdl               hi all
13:43 NateC             good morning #koha
13:28 sekjal            hi, kf!
13:28 kf                marcelr++
13:28 kf                hi sekjal and jcamins :)
13:24 sekjal            morning, jcamins
13:22 jcamins           Good morning, #koha
13:11 mihafan           print screen
13:11 mihafan           here is active directory conf http://www.mediafire.com/?8iiuwd2kp8ypssy
13:06 tcohen            has anyone thought about it
13:05 tcohen            i didn't have any feedback
13:04 tcohen            i recently posted on koha-devel about adding authority edition logging
13:04 tcohen            hi #koha
13:03 mihafan           but what about the rest of the users in active directory are they just control the Administrator, would still have to log in Koha OPAC
13:00 sekjal            perhaps take "Administrator" out of the <user> tag in the mapping
12:57 mihafan           ????
12:57 mihafan           does know how to make authenticate for other user, without Administrator
12:49 mihafan           and user must be authentificate in koha with account and password that exists in Active Directory
12:47 mihafan           active directory is a ldap server where exists a user accounts
12:47 mihafan           user can authenticate in koha via ldap module
12:46 sekjal            hmmm
12:45 mihafan           yes
12:45 sekjal            as I recall, it's a required config for Active Directory
12:45 sekjal            mihafan:  do you have bind_by_auth set?
12:39 mihafan           no?
12:36 mihafan           anyone know other forums besides koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Koha, koha.nabble.com??
12:34 * magnuse         hopes someone who knows something about LDAP can help answer that...
12:32 mihafan           When I try to log in OPAC module, only the user administrator can login, other users can not authenticate in opac module. How things should look to enable authentication and other users.
12:32 mihafan           <firstname    is="givenName"      ></firstname>        <surname      is="sn"             ></surname>        <address      is="postalAddress"  ></address>        <city	     is="l"		 ></city>        <branchcode   is=""               >MAIN</branchcode>        <userid       is="sAMAccountName" >Administrator</userid>        <password     is="userPassword"   ></
12:32 mihafan           <mapping>
12:32 mihafan           <update>1</update>
12:32 mihafan           <replicate>1</replicate>
12:32 mihafan           <pass>Q1W2e3r4</pass>
12:32 mihafan           <user>cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=md</user>
12:32 mihafan           <base>dc=koha,dc=md</base>
12:31 mihafan           <hostname>192.168.11.90:389</hostname> <!-- address of LDAP server -->
12:31 mihafan           <useldapserver>1</useldapserver>   <ldapserver id="ldapserver">
12:31 mihafan           koha-conf.xml contents:
12:30 mihafan           Description of problem:  On local machine is installed windows server 2003 with configured active directory <nabble_img src="ad_.png" border="0" alt="acive directory"/>, I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on another machine, here I installed Koha 3.0 which still works well. Koha have configured to allow users from Active Directory authenticate via LDAP module in Koha d
12:30 mihafan           I have a problem with ldap authentication
12:29 magnuse           hello mihafan
12:29 magnuse           trying out ocs would be cool!
12:29 mihafan           hello world
12:24 kmkale            never used it though so dont know if it will have flexibility
12:23 kmkale            yup
12:23 druthb            kmkale:  that has some nice facilities!~
12:15 kmkale            any thoughts on making the KohaCon11 site using http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ocs or mediawiki is better?
12:07 druthb            sekjal++
12:00 sekjal            druthb++
09:45 huginn            kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.4�C (10:50 AM CET on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
09:45 kf                @wunder Konstanz
09:45 kf                it was very spring like the last few days - I think we all were a bit surprised
09:44 kf                we got snow overnight
09:32 magnuse           spring equinox is just one month away - yay!
09:30 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (10:20 AM CET on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
09:30 magnuse           @wunder bodo, norway
09:28 rangi             still pretty warm here
09:28 huginn            rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
09:28 rangi             @wunder wellington nz
09:28 huginn            paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0�C (10:00 AM CET on February 21, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
09:28 paul_p            @wunder marseille
09:27 * paul_p          start feeling spring coming in Marseille, and had a thought for NZ this morning, thinking you may feel the autumn coming...
09:27 paul_p            hi rangi. What's new? good week-end ?
09:26 rangi             hi paul_p
08:52 kf                bonjour paul_p
08:46 magnuse           bonjour paul_p
08:42 paul_p            hello everybody
08:40 magnuse           ah, might be
08:39 kf                perhaps that she has mozilla (firefox) installed on the machine where koha is running?
08:33 magnuse           i winder what she meant by "server is mossila"...
08:29 kf                but I am not aware of a problem with this template
08:29 kf                if she is not using the english templates that sometimes is a good test to - change back to english and test to rule out problems with the translation
08:28 kf                makes sense
08:28 rangi             like it might be set to use remote yui, instead of local, and i think yahoo have broken the remote one
08:27 rangi             could be something with the live cd set up
08:27 * magnuse         just tested copy cataloguing with IE on Vista and Koha 3.2.2 - the form looked strange but it did return results
08:24 francharb         hi kf
08:24 kf                morning francharb :)
08:23 francharb         hellp #koha
08:23 kf                Veera: which language are you using?
08:23 rangi             no
08:23 Veera             is there any place where should we enable some option or something???
08:23 rangi             i have no more ideas then im afraid, it works fine here also
08:22 Veera             the same
08:22 Veera             no result
08:22 Veera             the server machine I tried with firebox
08:19 rangi             try with firefox
08:19 Veera             client is IE
08:19 Veera             but the server is mossila
08:18 Veera             IE
08:17 kf                hi rangi
08:16 rangi             ?
08:16 rangi             what browser are you using Veera
08:16 rangi             i think Veera is saying the form doesnt submit
08:16 Veera             no
08:16 magnuse           no results for any z39.50 target?
08:15 Veera             at all
08:15 Veera             but the problem is that page has no action
08:15 Veera             I tried
08:15 Veera             ya
08:15 magnuse           have you tried other z39.50 targets?
08:14 magnuse           hm
08:14 magnuse           i get lots of results for management
08:14 Veera             nothing
08:14 Veera             infact, I tried different keywords
08:13 Veera             management
08:13 Veera             ?
08:13 magnuse           Veera: what title did you search for?
08:13 Veera             is there any where we should enable an option
08:13 kf                I am using a 3.2.2 install
08:13 magnuse           me too
08:12 kf                it works for me without problems :(
08:12 Veera             ?
08:12 Veera             could you please help in this
08:12 kf                hm
08:12 Veera             yes
08:12 kf                so nothing happens when you click on search?
08:12 kf                firefall is firewall ...
08:11 Veera             even our system admin was checking the same
08:11 Veera             no
08:11 Veera             simple staying inthe same search page
08:11 kf                are you behind a firefall?
08:11 Veera             no msg..and no action
08:10 kf                and when you search for a word in the title, what message do you get?
08:10 Veera             it is listed
08:10 Veera             yes
08:10 kf                Veera: when you go to cataloging > z39.50 search - is loc listed there as a search target?
08:09 Veera             please help
08:09 Veera             I mean MARC
08:09 Veera             as I could not importa data of LOC
08:09 Veera             if you could guide me to setup z39.50
08:08 Veera             I have recently installed koha live cd 3.2 version
08:07 Veera             I need your assistance in some module in koha
08:07 magnuse           hiya Veera
08:07 Veera             I am from American university in Kuwait
08:07 kf                good morning Veera
08:06 Veera             good morning
08:06 Veera             hi
07:59 hdl               Bonjour
07:59 kf                bonjour hdl
07:57 magnuse           bonjour hdl
07:30 magnuse           guten morgen kf & #koha
07:26 kf                god morgen magnuse
07:00 kmkale            gotta go. meeting. bbl..
06:57 kf                hehe
06:56 kmkale            thanks. please book your tickets :)
06:56 kf                congratulation
06:56 kf                hi kmkale :)
06:55 kmkale            hi kf
06:54 wahanui           hmmm... jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
06:54 kf                jcamins?
06:45 kf                good morning #koha :)
05:46 druthb            I'm gonna head to bed...gotta get my beauty sleep.   See ya soon!
05:45 * druthb          watches Brooke_ flee, and just shakes her head.
05:39 druthb            pooooor  Brooke!
05:39 druthb            So I've gathered.  Lots of different sorts of embroidery and prints, too.    Fun!  :D
05:39 Brooke_           girly stuff is gonna put me under
05:38 kmkale            druthb: apart from the colors there are too many types of cloth; silk and what not..
05:37 * druthb          glares at the peanut gallery.
05:36 Brooke_           pfft
05:36 druthb            Oh, looking at sites online, there's an astonishing variety...  I know what colors tend to work on me (read as: What I'll wear in public, and what I won't.), which does help narrow things down a bit.
05:35 kmkale            my typing is on a whack today
05:35 kmkale            druthb: selecting from the shree variety is the problem
05:35 * Brooke_         prolly should have kept one of her mum's...
05:35 druthb            :)
05:35 kmkale            druthb: thats easy
05:34 kmkale            Or may be not. There are people who hire for weeings etc. Will find out
05:34 * druthb          finding a beautiful saree = mandatory.
05:34 Brooke_           I'll go into the country
05:34 druthb            hee hee
05:34 kmkale            hehe. In Thane. That will  be a tough one..
05:33 Brooke_           elephant ride = mandatory.
05:33 kmkale            :)
05:33 * druthb          hopes so, too.
05:33 * Brooke_         hopes so, too.
05:33 kmkale            Brooke_: I hope you are coming to India :)
05:30 Brooke_           I like the stuff I read in the logs about the conference :)
05:30 * druthb          sticks her thumbs in her ears and goes "wugga wugga wugga!"
05:29 Brooke_           ehhhh
05:29 wahanui           druthb is quite possibly insane, but she fits right in at ByWater Solutions, because of it.
05:29 Brooke_           druthb?
05:29 Brooke_           how's it going?
05:28 wahanui           Brooke_: I forgot brooke_
05:28 Brooke_           wahanui: forget Brooke_
05:28 wahanui           Brooke_, I didn't have anything matching brooke
05:28 Brooke_           wahanui: forget brooke
05:28 wahanui           i think Brooke_ is not quite as she tries to appear.  It's okay, though; she's really very sweet.
05:28 kmkale            hey Brooke_
05:16 Brooke_           :)
05:16 druthb            hi, Brooke!
05:13 Brooke_           kia ora
04:09 kmkale            brb. gonna reboot
04:06 * rangi           heads for the bus, bbl
04:05 kmkale            getting the international Koha community here and exposing our librarians and students to you good people is the whole purpose behind bidding for kohacon for us
04:02 * space_librarian agrees
04:01 kmkale            so think about how to get new ppl into koha dev or guide budding librarians on to koha
04:01 kmkale            this kocon I think we will have a lot of student participation
04:00 druthb            kmkale:  once I know for sure that I'm going, I'll jump in with *some* kind of presentation proposal, I imagine.  It's hard for me to speak about what I do, because it comes so naturally to me--it'd be like speaking about how to breathe or perspire or make your heart beat.  You don't think about it, you just *do* it, mostly.
03:58 rangi             whats up?
03:58 rangi             for a few more mins, then ill be back from the bus a bit later also
03:57 kmkale            rangi: around?
03:56 kmkale            I am going to throw up a site with registrations and speakers etc asap
03:55 kmkale            druthb: I hope everyone will come.
03:52 kmkale            yes. 1 min on phone..
03:52 druthb            I'm excited about the idea of coming to India for the con!  It'll be fun.
03:52 kmkale            I was away for a few days doing a Koha training trip in Konkan, then the weekend. But this is great
03:51 kmkale            hi space_librarian
03:51 kmkale            heya druthb Yup :)
03:51 druthb            All set to throw a mighty conference in Thane?
03:51 space_librarian   Namaste, kmkale. :)
03:50 druthb            Namaste, kmkale.  :D
03:49 kmkale            Namaskar #koha
03:49 hudsonbot         Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5776 - menu on funds wraps when only 1 fund
03:49 hudsonbot         Project Koha_Master build #374: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/374/
03:25 hudsonbot         Starting build 374 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:23 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5776 - menu on funds wraps when only 1 fund <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0367aa973ad61eda090d743cccd9cf387dfcc09>
03:10 huginn            rangi: A physical description of the described item, including its extent, dimensions, and such other physical details as a description of any accompanying materials and unit type and size. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8]
03:10 rangi             @marc 300
02:22 druthb            hi, rangi! :)
02:20 rangi             hi druthb