Time Nick Message 23:20 rangi bbl 23:20 rangi and another meeting 22:11 space_librarian g'night 22:10 jcamins Good night, #koha. 21:52 jwagner oh well, time to call it a day... G'night all 21:48 jcamins I just wanted to know how to get the weather in Tromsø. 21:48 jwagner Everyone blurs together after a while.... 21:47 jcamins Oh, no, apparently that was magnuse. 21:47 jcamins jwagner: no, rhcl was trying to get the weather. 21:46 jwagner Planning a visit, jcamins? 21:44 jcamins Ha! I knew I'd get it eventually. 21:44 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -8.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 21:44 jcamins @wunder entc 21:43 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. 21:43 jcamins @wunder 01025 21:37 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. 21:37 jcamins @wunder tromso, norway 21:36 rhcl Tromsø is the 9th largest city in Norway. You'd think they would be reporting WX to whatever international exchange wunder is using. 21:33 magnuse time to sleep a little and dream of sunnier climes... 21:32 magnuse looks like kautokeino had -41 last night... 21:32 jwagner It's the latest thing in high tech -- edible electronics! 21:31 magnuse jwagner: thanks, hope i remember not to eat it! 21:31 eythian balmy 21:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -36.0�C (7:00 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising). 21:31 magnuse @wunder kautokeino, norway 21:31 eythian Yeah, I'm going with "in your imagination" :) 21:31 * jwagner sends magnuse a GPS unit disguised as a cookie 21:30 magnuse hmph 21:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 21:30 magnuse @wunder tromsoe, norway 21:30 magnuse i think it does... ;-) 21:29 eythian maybe your place just doesn't exist :) 21:29 eythian or perhaps not 21:29 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 21:29 eythian @wunder Tromso, Norway 21:29 eythian maybe they're funny about your weird� alphabet 21:28 rhcl yea, well, google maps has 21:27 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 21:27 rhcl @wunder Tromsø, Norway 21:27 space_librarian damn! jinxed! 21:26 eythian snap 21:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 21:26 huginn space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 21:26 eythian @wunder wellington, new zealand 21:26 space_librarian @wunder wellington, new zealand 21:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -20.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 21:25 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 21:24 wizzyrea hey 11 is totally tolerable 21:23 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 6.4�C (4:28 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Steady). 21:23 jwagner @wunder 20740 21:21 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 11.2�C (3:26 PM CST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 21:21 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 21:20 wahanui jcamins: i haven't a clue 21:20 jcamins wahanui: jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York? 21:20 bg :) 21:20 jcamins :( I prefer California weather, I think. 21:19 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 2.4�C (4:21 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Rising). 21:19 jcamins @wunder 11375 21:19 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9�C (1:24 PM PST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). 21:19 bg @wunder 93109 21:16 jwagner mmmmmmmmmmmm 21:16 * cait sends jwagner a cookie 21:15 jwagner I'm still finding fragments of that 942c hanging around in unlikely places, sigh. 21:13 cait jwagner: it really is 21:10 sekjal goodnight, #koha 21:06 jwagner And highly annoying it is.... 21:03 jwagner OPAC still does that too. 21:03 jwagner jcamins, remnant of old Koha setup, I think -- it used to use 942c item type instead of the item record itype 21:01 jcamins Why does the staff client Results display show the 942c? 20:43 magnuse mtj++ 20:40 mtj ticks that off the 'to-do' list 20:40 mtj http://nabble-support.1.n2.nabble.com/Request-to-update-Koha-ILS-mailing-lists-topic-page-with-new-website-address-td6029182.html 20:40 mtj makes an admin request to nabble... 20:27 sekjal well, maybe just a bit slow... (speeding up as I use it) 20:27 sekjal hmmm, still seems wicked slow 20:26 sekjal there we go... should be back 20:23 sekjal I'll give it a kick 20:21 * jcamins didn't even try to clone it from his cursed VM. Weird. 20:21 nengard anyone around that can kick start it? 20:21 nengard git seems to be down 20:20 magnuse sounds like fun... 20:16 rangi ok meeting time 20:14 * magnuse agrees with druthb and mtj regarding RM sponsorship on the website 20:13 huginn rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 hours and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> all together, I think 20:13 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 20:07 rangi gmcharlt: about? 20:04 rangi sweet 20:03 mtj yeah 20:03 rangi mtj: calyx ones? 20:01 rangi but thats just a guess 20:01 rangi releases even 20:01 rangi i think marshall might add ones based on press releses 20:00 rangi with no info on the previous one 20:00 rangi or they have just been added to libwebcats 20:00 nengard clicked through and figured that out :) 20:00 nengard got it 20:00 rangi nengard: usually yes 20:00 mtj all going smoothly, i'll be able to add 2 more to that list, by EOB today 20:00 nengard does that mean this is their first ILS? 19:59 nengard why does koha - equinox say (2) after it but not have anything listed on the left? 19:57 nengard woo hoo :) 19:57 rangi nekls have updated libwebcats it looks like 19:57 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl?Year=2011 19:54 rangi or maybe general net go slow 19:54 rangi hmmm git go slow today 19:52 mtj and hey, if a company is sponsoring RM work, they can grand-stand all they want in my book 19:51 rangi i guess it could just go in the newsletter thats out soon 19:50 druthb I concur with mtj; the kicker, and what I suspect we'll hear something of from slef, is "where is the line?" when *is* it grand-standing? Given the type of org he works for (and its' mindset), that's probably somewhere different than where I would define it, for instance. 19:49 rangi i hope so too 19:48 mtj its positive and relevant kc.org news, and not company grand-standing 19:46 mtj i think so too 19:45 rangi slef: im particularly interested in your opinion 19:45 druthb I say aye. 19:45 rangi should we put the RM sponsorship announcement up on koha-community? 19:44 rangi spot poll 19:30 mtj heya magnuse & cait 19:27 magnuse kia ora cait and mtj 19:27 cait hi mtj 19:27 cait bye 19:27 francharb bye 19:27 francharb have a nice morning/day/evening/whatever !! ;) see you tomorrow! 19:26 francharb ok, i need to go, dinner is calling! ;) 19:26 mtj morning #koha 19:26 francharb ok 19:25 francharb that would be cool! 19:25 cait just let me know 19:25 cait we need this too - I will be happy to test this for you or ask my coworker to test it 19:25 cait no problem 19:25 francharb thanks! 19:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Allow the discount to be editable 19:25 cait bug 5173 19:24 francharb sounds interesting!! do you know where i can get his code? 19:24 cait that's what I planned to do 19:24 cait perhaps you want to "copy" his work for tax 19:24 cait also robin 19:24 cait there was work done to do this for the discount 19:23 francharb i'm here 19:23 cait wait :) 19:23 cait francharb: 19:22 francharb thanks all! 19:22 francharb now that i got a clearer view, we are going to include multiple taxes rates management and make it accessible on the order line level! wouhou! wish us good luck! ;) 19:18 rangi what he said 19:17 cait ah right 19:16 francharb ok 19:14 jcamins francharb: the reason it's the same is that you only pay taxes on the amount you're charged. If you got a 10% rebate or the like, taxes would be higher. 19:13 francharb yes 19:13 francharb i think so 19:13 cait but we agree that the commited value should be the price including tax if you have to pay taxes, right? 19:13 cait :) 19:12 francharb dont mess with taxes! ;) 19:12 francharb so it should be calculated before taxes i think... 19:12 francharb the result is the same but legally, i don't think we can have discount on taxes... 19:11 cait yeah, that was my feeling too after I tried to figure it out 19:11 cait hehe 19:11 francharb (god, i need to do some maths...) 19:11 cait so it doesn't really matter? 19:11 cait ok 19:11 francharb and it the same 19:11 francharb cait, i did it with 5% tax and 10% discount 19:09 cait hm. 19:08 cait I doubt it - make tax 5 and discount 10 19:08 francharb but i dont think you have a discount on taxes (this is what happen if you calculate disount on prices tax included) 19:08 cait is it still the smae when tax and discount are differnt values? 19:08 francharb cait: i think its the same actually, the price will be the same 19:07 cait how this is supposed to work 19:07 cait I could ask at work 19:07 cait not sure 19:07 francharb is our example wrong? 19:06 francharb we also have a 99$ book if we apply the discount on the price taxes included 19:06 francharb cait: the thing is 19:06 cait this is complicated 19:06 cait because you said so - still not sure about it 19:05 francharb 90 + 10% taxes = 99$ 19:05 cait hm 19:05 francharb so you calculated the discount on the price before taxes 19:05 cait 90 19:04 francharb if you have a 10% discount 19:04 francharb 100$ = price before taxes 19:04 francharb 10% = tax 19:04 francharb 110$ = price taxes included 19:04 francharb ok so : 19:03 francharb paper 19:03 cait easier :) 19:03 francharb i need a piece of parer 19:03 cait and 100 19:03 cait 110 19:03 francharb ahaha 19:03 francharb not sure 19:02 francharb humm 19:02 francharb the price is 90$ before tax 19:02 francharb if tax = 10% 19:02 francharb it can be simple like : my book is 100$ (tax included) 19:01 cait it's quite confusing 19:01 cait I really think we need some examples to work through it 19:01 cait hi druthb 19:00 francharb thats why i wanted to talk about it and see how people work 19:00 cait I am not sure how it works here - never really worked in acquisitions for a longer time, so not sure how it is declared on the bills here 18:59 francharb that how it works it france... 18:59 cait I think we need a diagram :) 18:59 cait not sure about that 18:59 cait hm 18:59 francharb s/with prices/on prices before taxes 18:58 cait and on top of that hlt has a patch for the calculation thing - I tried it out but it even confused me more 18:58 francharb oups 18:58 francharb but the thing is, discount should be calculated with prices 18:58 cait I am not sure what influence it has 18:58 cait ther eis also the "tax registered" thing 18:58 cait and subtract from your budget - make it commited 18:58 francharb right 18:57 cait and when you choose no it should calculate the tax and add the to the price 18:56 francharb ok 18:56 cait back 18:55 cait oh battery low, one minute 18:55 cait would think so 18:54 francharb vendor price that you will enter on your order line is the price taxes included 18:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5186 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Setting a tax rate of zero for a vendor causes the tax value to become the default 18:54 cait bug 5186 18:54 francharb if you choose yes 18:54 francharb you can chose if you want the ordering prices to include taxes or not 18:53 cait have not checked if it already got in 18:53 cait there is also a patch from robin to make it work as default 18:53 francharb then at the supplier level 18:53 cait that will activate the whole thing 18:53 cait right 18:53 francharb you can set up the tax rate in the "gist" syspref 18:52 francharb cait: if i understood what rangi told me 18:52 cait spent a whole evening on it - but I fear I would have to start anew now 18:52 cait but found now way to make it do that 18:52 cait I would think there should be a way to have price including tax being used for the budgeting (commited) 18:52 francharb i know, it's not easy at all! 18:52 cait I tried to work out the tax calculation - but itreally confused me 18:51 cait hi francharb 18:51 francharb (hi cait) 18:51 francharb am i clear? ;) 18:50 francharb does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? 18:49 francharb rangi: so when we set up "ordering prices includes tax" it means that we enter in "vendor price" field on a new order taxes included... 18:47 rangi So they want to know the price without tax 18:46 rangi Hlt being a trust don't pay taxes 18:46 cait hi all 18:46 rangi Yep, it can handle both 18:45 francharb i know! plus, i got the feeling that we only speak prices taxes included while other speak prices before taxes... 18:44 rangi Acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :) 18:43 francharb i'm starting seeing this more clearly... 18:43 rangi Sometimes it drops 18:43 rangi not the same it might change as well 18:42 francharb rangi: for you, arent the same means 'the price changed' or 'it includes taxes or not'? 18:42 rangi Usually used as replacement cost 18:42 rangi Yep, recommended retail price 18:41 francharb (rrp is for replacement price right?) 18:41 rangi Often the price you order something for and the price you end up paying for it aren't the same 18:40 rangi Ie add tax to it if it needs to 18:40 rangi So when you enter koha can recalculate rrp 18:40 francharb ok 18:40 rangi Yeah on the piece of paper the price might contain tax, or not 18:39 francharb which means that vendor price on receipt will be display tax included? 18:39 rangi You get an invoice with the items usually, that may or may not include tax 18:38 rangi On receipt 18:33 francharb if someone else can help me, i swear i stop harassing rangi ;) 18:29 francharb but where are prices recalculated? 18:28 francharb if "ordering prices includes tax" means that vendor prices in neworderempty.pl include tax, what "invoice prices includes tax means"? I know that invoices prices is used for the baskets grouping 18:26 francharb rangi: last question (but not least ) ;) when we set up the gist syspref, we have these radio button in supplier.pl : "Ordering prices : includes tax / don't include tax" and "invoice prices : includes tax / dont include tax" 18:16 francharb rangi: "tax number registered:yes/no" is store in the "gstreg" mysql field but apparently, "gstreg" isnt used in the code... did wo miss something? 18:12 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded. 18:12 francharb @later tell kf, and thanks for the answer ;) 18:11 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded. 18:11 francharb @later tell kf i just read your answer and thats what i understood and yes, we are developping what you want, 1. managing different taxe rates. 2. managing taxe rates at order line level 18:06 * LBA waves to druthb and the gang 18:05 * druthb waves to LBA 18:04 francharb another one, what "tax number registered : yes / no" stand for? 18:04 francharb for example, the code seems to say that we can have vendor prices that includes taxes or vendor price that doesnt. but i dont know where to configure it 18:02 francharb rangi: thanks for the answer. after a little research, i understood it but it raises more questions 18:01 francharb rangi: i'm here 17:35 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 17:35 rangi @later tell francharb certain suppliers act as purchasing agents, they may be purchasing a book from overseas, which means the tax rate on it is different than the normal one from that supplier, thats why you can change the tax rate on a per order basis 17:32 rangi francharb: you around? 17:13 druthb they are all together. 70-something campuses, IIRC. 17:13 scothost we want one overall ILS that allows students to search onlu their school library based on their log in credentials and session id 17:12 wizzyrea all together, I think 17:12 wizzyrea you might want to talk to schuster, if he pops in, he's got a ton of schools 17:12 scothost instead of one system for each school 17:12 scothost basically we have an ILS system for some schools 17:12 wizzyrea there is that code from harley that allows item suppression, but that hides it from the opac, not specific users 17:11 scothost yes 17:11 wizzyrea well 17:11 paul_p though, what you want do (ie: *hide* items not from the patron) is not possible in koha for instance 17:10 paul_p scothost, I strongly encourage you to do so ! (not messing with the code), or updates/upgrades will be a pain 17:10 paul_p scothost, syspref is : koha > administration > system preferences. That's parameters that affect koha behaviour usually globally 17:10 scothost I'd like to be able to manipulate the admin panel and possibly add some superficial changes without messing with the existing code base 17:09 scothost hopefully not 17:08 scothost not sure I understand the meaning of System Preference 17:08 wizzyrea so you feel like without modification you can't make koha do these things? 17:08 scothost I guess i need to go and google a while 17:08 scothost ok like i said my first trip into ILS 17:07 scothost I'm struggling to figure out the source code structure 17:07 scothost Can anyone point me in the right direction 17:06 scothost there is also bib records without items that should be available to everyone such as links to electronic documents 17:04 scothost I need to restrict users to search only their own location using the system parameter OPAC/Policy/SearchMyLibraryFirst 17:03 scothost so .... 17:02 wizzyrea yayee 17:02 wahanui somebody said code was kept at git.koha-community.org 17:02 wizzyrea code? 17:02 wizzyrea code is kept at git.koha-community.org 17:02 jcamins Lunch time! 17:01 jcamins wizzyrea: you could tell him where teh codez is. :) 17:01 wizzyrea bother you beat me 17:01 wahanui OK, jcamins. 17:01 jcamins wahanui: source code is at git.koha-community.org 17:01 jcamins source code? 17:01 wizzyrea he gets confused sometimes 17:00 wahanui it has been said that git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. 17:00 jcamins wahanui: git.koha-community.org? 17:00 jcamins git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. 17:00 wahanui jcamins: I forgot git.koha-community.org 17:00 jcamins wahanui: forget git.koha-community.org 17:00 jcamins scothost: you can just use the system preference that Paul suggested. 17:00 scothost cool 17:00 wahanui somebody said git.koha-community.org was broken for me with an xml error :( 17:00 paul_p git.koha-community.org ? 16:59 scothost so I guess I'm looking for someone to point me yo the location of the source files I should look at 16:59 paul_p be careful, you could like this trip and stay for a long time. It was not supposed to be my full time job when I started ! 16:59 scothost LOL 16:59 scothost been a php programmer for 10 years and perl is my secondery language 16:59 paul_p I just celebrated my 9th year trip into Koha recently ;-) 16:58 paul_p ohhh!!! welcome onboard then ! 16:58 scothost this is my first week in a new job and my first trip into ILS 16:58 paul_p so, the answer to your 1st question (anyone know much...) is yes :D 16:58 scothost yes it will be 16:57 paul_p scothost, is the syspref SearchMyLibraryFirst what you're looking for ? 16:57 scothost if they are not logged in they are authenticated as guest and their query searches all available libraries 16:57 paul_p druthb, and now, it's 6 for someone in the Koha world: for me 6PM, almost time to leave, for chris 6AM, almost time to wake up ;-) 16:56 scothost I need to modify koha to add a facility where a user can log in, once authenticated the user can query their library or libraries 16:55 jcamins (the answer is probably "yes") 16:55 paul_p scothost, throw your question, we will see what we can do ;-) 16:55 jcamins scothost: you're going to have to be more specific than that. Customizing what, and where are you running into problems? 16:54 scothost anyone know much about koha customisation 16:54 scothost doh! 16:45 jcamins scothost: you're already on #koha. :) 16:40 scothost #join koha 16:28 * druthb pulls the little box marked "Participant Securement Equipment" out from under huginn's seat, and gets out a roll of duct tape. 16:22 jwagner I asked if you could be arrested for driving a computer while intoxicated.... 16:22 jcamins They just sort of stumble through... 16:22 jcamins Not wine so much, though. 16:22 jcamins jwagner: yeah, hard liquor works on bugs. 16:21 * jwagner has a nasty bug and a co-worker suggested spiking the chicken soup :-) 16:21 druthb ....for cait's timezone, looks like. 16:21 druthb It's five-o-clock *somewhere* in the Koha world... 16:20 jcamins :) 16:20 jcamins It's always Friday on #koha! 16:19 wizzyrea Liquor? I hardly knew her! 16:19 * jwagner is reminded of Ogden Nash's dictum "Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker" 16:17 druthb Easier on the skin. 16:17 druthb Velcro is kinder. 16:15 wizzyrea hi there, you're gonna need a staple gun for me this morning I think 16:15 * druthb returns from a call, and waves at wizzyrea. 15:31 kf francharb: I am not sure, but I think there is development in this direction 15:31 kf francharb: the gist value should be the default, but you can change the default per vendor. I think it depends on the tax laws for your county. for us this is not enough - we would need a tax rate per order line, because we have different taxes for books, newspapers and electronic media 15:30 kf francharb: reading back now about yuor tax problem 15:30 kf francharb: did you get your answer? 15:24 magnuse i'll tell them there is interest around this in the community and there may be possibilities for international cooperation... ;-) 15:24 magnuse i'm trying to pitch koha to a small group of norwegian public libraries that have a project about e-books 15:23 wizzyrea there are libraries who want to do that 15:23 wizzyrea no, we're not (for now) trying to host the files ourselves 15:23 magnuse hm, just getting records into koha doesn't sound too difficult... ;-) 15:22 wizzyrea_away we haven't done it, but I imagine it will be a priority for us soon enough 15:21 sekjal magnus_away: I've been spec'ing out an Electronic Resources Module for years 15:21 wizzyrea_away basically, people are trying to put records for their 3rd party digital resources (overdrive or other types of ebook/audiobooks) in their catalog, and link directly to them 15:20 magnus_away does anyone know of any projects/developments related to "electronic resources" and koha? not sure what that would be, but it seems to be important to a lot of libraries at the moment... 14:13 francharb thanks all 14:12 francharb we are working on a new feature (managing different taxe rate). it might be easier for our developer if we get how it works... we will look into it more deeply 14:06 francharb nengard: ok, thanks 14:05 nengard brb 14:05 nengard i've only really tested it briefly so I could write about it in the manual. I did see some bugs recently about tax rate 14:05 francharb nengard: have you ever use it? 14:04 francharb 0.10 is already a tax rate 14:04 francharb if i set up a 0.10 gist, i get this 'tax field' in supplier but i dont know what it is made for 14:03 nengard how so? 14:02 francharb maybe you know more about the "tax rate" field in supplier.pl 14:02 francharb nengard: hi! 14:01 francharb thanks sekjal 14:00 sekjal but I've never had occasion to use it myself 14:00 sekjal francharb: I'm not sure. I'd bet that this was something that some library or set of libraries needed for their acquisitions, and it got added 13:58 francharb anyone? 13:58 francharb thanks jwagner 13:58 francharb ? 13:58 francharb but anyway, my first question will be : why koha let me indicate a tax rate while i already indicated one in gist syspref 13:57 francharb i do see the difference between an order and an invoice 13:56 * jwagner was right -- I don't have an answer :-( 13:56 francharb i'm not sure to see the difference between ordering and invoice prices 13:56 francharb ordering/invoice prices including taxes or taxes 13:55 francharb like 13:55 francharb you have more informations 13:55 francharb supplier.pl changes 13:55 francharb but you set up taxes in koha 13:55 francharb actually, i understand what it is 13:54 francharb i dont get the use of gist 13:54 jwagner (not that I'm likely to have the answer, but...) 13:54 jwagner francharb, what do you need? 13:54 francharb well 13:54 francharb ;) 13:54 francharb heeellp 13:54 francharb i need somebody 13:54 francharb help 13:53 sekjal just if (person in LDAP1), elsif (person in LDAP2), elsif( ...... ), else (person in Koha) 13:52 sekjal though we hadn't planned on differentiating the LDAP sources based on branch 13:52 sekjal as are a few of my current clients 13:52 sekjal my previous institution was interested 13:51 sekjal I've looked at supporting multiple LDAP sources, but haven't written anything for it 13:51 hdl It is something we spoke about some day in the past. 13:51 hdl authenticating on a multiple branches ldap 13:50 hdl different LDAP branch in fact. 13:50 sekjal or checking a different part of a single LDAP's schema? 13:50 sekjal are we talking different LDAP's per branch? 13:50 sekjal last LDAP work I did was on adding TLS support 13:50 sekjal no 13:49 hdl have you done any work on LDAP for multiple branches ? 13:49 sekjal hi, hdl! 13:49 hdl Hi sekjal 13:09 NateC hi jwagner! 13:09 jwagner morning, NateC 13:08 NateC Morning #koha! 12:24 francharb ;) 12:24 francharb i think i just got my answers. thanks #koha for helping me thinking 12:24 francharb which makes sense... 12:23 francharb is it because the replacement price shoud include taxes? 12:18 francharb rrp is the replacement price right? 12:17 francharb you can change the replacement cost but it will have an effect on the budgeted cost only if you change the vendor price 12:16 francharb is there anyone who con explain me why the budgeted cost is calculated from the replacement cost? 12:14 jcamins Good morning, #koha 11:13 hdl have a good night thd-away 10:51 * thd needs to sleep 10:40 thd hdl: The documentation is accurate but not complete enough for what you need to know. 10:39 hdl (or acurate documentation) 10:39 thd hdl: Definitive answers require testing :) 10:38 hdl but maybe I can try 10:38 hdl Presumably ??? I donot like that word. 10:37 thd hdl: YAZ would not actually do the searching although it would allow searching the explain record. 10:36 thd hdl: Presumably it is sending them back with appropriate serialisation. It can transform them. 10:36 hdl will yaz be able to search with the mappings we want to bring to him ? 10:35 hdl ok. But how is it sending back elements ? Do we have to process them ? 10:34 thd hdl: SimpleServer and all IndexData products are highly dependent upon YAZ. 10:33 thd hdl: See the example etc/yazgfs.xml in YAZ which is similar to what is in Koha. 10:31 thd hdl: http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/server.vhosts.html 10:31 thd hdl: You cannot obtain standards compliant behaviour nor all the advantages of SimpleServer without using a YAZ configuration file. 10:29 hdl mmmm You mean try using yaz configuration file and see how it is managing the stuff ? 10:28 hdl I donot want to use a yaz configuration file... How would it index biblios ? 10:28 thd ... like the one in Koha. 10:27 thd hdl: That allows you to use a YAZ configuration file. 10:27 hdl what is it ? 10:26 hdl No... 10:25 thd hdl: are you invoking SimpleServer with the -f option? 08:58 thd hdl: I have not looked at the code closely for 4 years so I had forgotten how I managed that and apparently I cheated. 08:57 thd hdl: Reading through my PHP YAZ based client I do not have a specific yaz_syntax() request for marcxml. I have multiple elseif checks for record syntax which defaults to else usmarc. 08:38 thd hdl: I really did not do much testing but I may have left the connection open and forgot to close it. 08:37 hdl mmm normally no. 08:36 thd hdl: Does your firewall block testers or did I neglect to close a connection once and become banned? 08:35 thd hdl: My agogme.com IP address seems unable to connect to Lyon 3 but I am able to connect from home. 08:31 thd hdl: the correct display for MARC and hence MARCXML, when no bad MARC error is present shows 200 $a whatever $b whatever. Lines are broken by field number without the bad MARC error. 08:28 thd hdl: the xml serialisation in SimpleServer shows a raw XML record. 08:27 thd hdl: the marcxml serialisation is returning a display upon invoking show which matches the display for usmarc or unimarc. 08:25 thd hdl: The different serialisations definitely produce a different result in SimpleServer. 08:22 hdl thd: koha zebra server has that : syntax="xml" name="marcxml" 08:22 thd hdl: I have certainly requested marcxml and not xml when using my PHP YAZ client. 08:20 thd hdl: hmmm that is very odd. 08:20 hdl on zebra 08:19 hdl [239] Record syntax not supported -- v2 addinfo '1.2.840.10003.13.12.2' 08:19 hdl format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2; show 08:19 thd hdl: I have a could not resole address error for that target from yaz-client 08:18 hdl Lyon3 test is up (for zebra part) 08:17 thd hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML shows that MARCXML is not being passed properly by SimpleServer. 08:17 thd hdl: the attempt to format is done for the present command issued via YAZ which is the show command in yaz-client. 08:15 thd hdl: yaz-client merely dumps anything else. 08:15 thd hdl: yaz-client attempts to format anything MARC as 200 $a whatever $b whatever. 08:14 thd hdl: I note that your Lyon 3 test server went down or changed yesterday. 08:14 hdl what is the difference between format marcxml and format xml ??? from the server ? 08:13 thd hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML. 08:13 wahanui so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate? 08:13 hdl so...? 08:12 thd hdl: They have different serialisations and different behaviour in yaz-client. 08:11 thd hdl: format xml merely returns generic XML it is not a synonym of MARCXML. 08:11 hdl should it be syn marcxml ? 08:10 thd hdl: The command format xml is not a request for MARCXML 08:10 hdl oh.... nice 08:09 thd hdl: I discovered something useful in testing SimpleServer yesterday 08:09 hdl hi thd 08:09 rangi cool :) 08:08 thd hdl: good morning 08:08 kf :) 08:08 rangi yep 08:07 snail rangi: can you access: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/photo.php?fbid=499947501636&set=a.499365726636.274436.577341636 ? my current after-hours project 08:06 paul_p hi magnuse & kf & al 08:06 magnuse guten morgen kf and paul_p 08:04 snail mÅrena kf 08:04 jransom heyhiya 08:04 rangi hi kf 08:04 kf good morning #koha 08:02 rangi snail: excellent :) the cost of answering an rfp is stupidly high, which of course the customer ends up paying in the long run 08:01 snail rangi: i take your point about doing it wrong. we're not doing an rfp (yet/at all) 08:01 magnuse bonjour hdl 08:00 pianohacker Hi magnus 08:00 magnuse hiya pianohacker 07:55 thd hello magnuse 07:54 magnuse hiya thd 07:51 magnuse ata marie rangi 07:47 rangi hi jransom 07:42 magnuse kia ora jransom! 07:34 jransom hi all 06:57 francharb hello all 06:20 rangi I can show you tons of examples how not to do it :) 06:20 rangi They ask all the wrong questions 06:20 rangi If you do a traditional rfp, you are doing it wrong 05:17 snail http://www.niso.org/publications/press/RFP_Writers_Guide.pdf seems like a good place to start 04:53 snail it looks like we've just entered the requirements gathering phase of the ILS drama, does anyone know of examples of other peoples documentation / requirements / whatever that I can use to crib from? Even documents from processes where the outcome wasn't koha would be welcome. Ideally higher / further education. 04:51 snail evening everyone 03:30 kmkale biblibre++ 03:30 kmkale catalyst++ 03:28 druthb doing well. :) 03:28 kmkale fine druthb how about you? 03:28 kmkale hi indradg mtj 03:25 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission 03:25 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #365: SUCCESS in 29 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/365/ 03:25 mtj Namaste 03:24 indradg morning kmkale 03:24 druthb Namaste, kmkale. how are you? 03:24 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_2170' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f35705ddcc3eff0df658faf12320a6e8671b668> / Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=173d3cbb2d836069e6ecaa7263da380ee90a00aa> 02:56 hudsonbot Starting build 365 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:14 oleonard Thanks mtj 01:06 mtj some good places to start 01:06 mtj http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Main_Page 01:06 mtj http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper 01:01 mtj oleonard: you need to do some digging to work out what your wifi *chipset* is first 00:59 eythian ah, no idea. Ubuntu will often sort it out via the restricted drivers manager. 00:59 mtj i built my from ndis.tgz source, old-skool-gansta stylez 00:59 oleonard Debian 00:58 eythian oleonard: What distro? 00:58 oleonard eythian: No magic for me 00:58 mtj i was very satisfied getting ndis-wrapper going on debian with a cheapy pci-wifi card 00:58 eythian Takes all the fun away, really. 00:58 eythian not so much these days, now it usually just magically works. 00:56 mtj now thats a worthy challenge 00:56 * oleonard will now see if he can find the right driver for his wifi card 00:52 mtj yep, there u go ;) 00:52 oleonard Now it works :) 00:51 oleonard I had "All=" instead of "ALL=" 00:51 * oleonard smacks his forehead 00:51 mtj and it always just works... 00:50 mtj mason ALL=(ALL) ALL 00:50 mtj i only ever add one line to my sudoers file, right after the 'root' line 00:50 oleonard Ah wait, hang on 00:50 oleonard Well no, it's the same thing I tried before 00:50 mtj still doesnt work? 00:48 oleonard I did su, then visudo 00:47 oleonard Sorry guys, kids got out of the bath and I had to go wrangle 00:31 mtj team justice_league in da' house 00:27 * jcamins_away puts his cape back on and flies out. 00:26 mtj use visudo, as root 00:26 jcamins_away oleonard: yeah, use visudo. 00:26 mtj helps me track typos, and config changes when experimenting 00:26 jcamins_away mtj: oops, did I forget to say "use visudo"? 00:25 mtj fyi: my /etc is a git repo, on all my boxes 00:25 mtj and watch out for any typos 00:24 mtj http://linux.die.net/man/8/visudo 00:24 mtj try visudo, instead 00:23 jcamins_away And the line's still there? (wasn't overwritten by a new package or something) 00:23 jcamins_away oleonard: hm. That's not so good. 00:22 oleonard Yeah, only I did that already :| 00:22 jcamins_away Thanks. 00:22 jcamins_away :) 00:22 druthb jcamins++ 00:22 jcamins_away (where $user is the relevant user, and assuming that you want to give complete permissions) 00:22 mtj http://www.wlug.org.nz/SudoHowto 00:22 jcamins_away $user ALL=(ALL) ALL 00:22 druthb jcamins_away++ 00:21 jcamins_away Anyway, add the line: 00:21 mtj jcamins_away++ 00:21 jcamins_away Uhhh... what? 00:21 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 00:21 jcamins_away Change to root and run visudo 00:21 * jcamins_away knows the answer to this! You have to add a line to your sudoers file. 00:21 oleonard When I try to "sudo" it says '[user] is not allowed to run sudo...' 00:20 mtj shoot... 00:20 * druthb has a sympathetic ear. 00:20 oleonard I have a Debian question if there are any sympathetic ears out there