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21:51 snail oh, ok, sorry
21:51 gmcharlt jcamins: and that sounds plausible
21:50 gmcharlt snail: actually, I think it's a mismatch in the XSLT itself, not an an image tag generated by it
21:50 snail the img tag needs to look like: <img ...... />
21:50 jcamins snail: I think the problem is that we need to re-run the translate script.
21:50 snail jcamins looking at that error, it suggests that unclosed images tags, which work fine in HTML but not XSLT
21:47 snail rolled back COI edit on the LibLime page https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=LibLime&action=history
21:43 jcamins on a live system?
21:43 jcamins Is it safe to run perl translate fr-FR
21:26 jcamins Oops, sorry, I meant that to be on one line.
21:26 jcamins parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: img line 263 and xsl:if </xsl:if>
21:26 jcamins We're getting this error, and it seems like I should remember why: /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/hi/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:264:
21:26 jcamins Does anyone know anything about translated XSLTs not working?
21:17 Brooke_ :)
21:16 wizzyrea hi brooke
21:05 Brooke_ kia ora
20:25 cait bye all :)
20:24 cait ok, time to read a book :)
20:24 cait and lots of unused columns
20:22 cait but it's an unfinished project :(
20:22 cait I tried to clean up borrowers
20:22 cait don't ask me
20:13 jcamins Why is action_logs.action a TEXT field?
20:10 jcamins ;)
20:10 jcamins Just don't.
20:10 jcamins Don't do a SELECT DISTINCT on a TEXT field.
20:10 jcamins Oops.
20:09 jcamins No, I just figured it out, I think.
20:09 cait but it should not be hard to find out
20:09 jcamins Oh, I see.
20:09 jcamins Aww.
20:09 cait only the log viewer from tools
20:09 cait no report
20:08 jcamins cait: any chance you have the report you used?
20:06 jcamins That's the third time I've done that this week.
20:06 jcamins describe statistics;
20:04 jcamins Yeah, that's what I need to do.
20:02 cait I used it to check the self check in the beginning
20:02 cait I am quite sure you can see it in the log viewer
20:02 cait statistics or action_logs
20:01 jcamins Where would I look to find out who the staff person who checked a book out was?
19:17 jcamins They can do without my advice.
19:17 rangi yeah
19:16 jcamins Oh, I never fill those out when people ask for help on a mailing list.
19:16 rangi tis a pretty over the top anti spam thing, also means that boxbe reads all your mail
19:15 rangi means if you send him mail you have to go fill in an online form before he gets it, with a captcha
19:15 cait boxbe?
19:13 jcamins I thought that was your response to your latest commit. ;)
19:13 jcamins Sorry, I'm with you now.
19:13 jcamins What?
19:13 rangi eek and he uses boxbe
19:09 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5691 - Delete all items respects independentbranches system preferences
19:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #343: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/343/
19:09 rangi wow, mohan is persistent .. .and wrong
19:04 cait i logged out/in - no change
19:03 cait :)
19:03 oleonard And I see, in addition, a "signed off" one from cait
19:02 cait in the preferences I see 2 saved public searches: needs sign-off and Koha 3.4 enhancemants from paul
19:02 rangi how odd
19:02 cait unknown search
19:02 cait he same as before
19:02 rangi is there a no status one showing?
19:01 cait the link you pasted does not work
19:01 rangi i wonder why one does but the other doesnt
19:01 rangi ohh interesting
19:01 cait rangi: no
19:01 oleonard That link doesn't work for me either.
19:01 oleonard I don't see a 5574 search
19:01 rangi and the 5574? if so ill send it to biblibre
19:00 rangi yay
19:00 oleonard Clicking "run" on the "needs signoff" saved search works
18:59 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574 hopefully pasting this url now works too
18:58 rangi so if you click on it does ti work?
18:58 rangi ah yeah i just switched it on
18:55 cait i see your shared search there
18:55 cait oh
18:55 cait have you checked your preferences page?
18:54 cait hm
18:52 rangi trying to figure out how to do public saved searches
18:52 rangi dang
18:52 cait what are you working on?
18:51 cait There is no saved search named '5574'.
18:51 rangi of course, i always am
18:50 cait and I thought you were happy to see me... ;)
18:50 rangi does this work for people http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574
18:50 rangi can you check something for me please?
18:50 cait ?
18:50 rangi yay cait
18:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5691 - Delete all items respects independentbranches system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4cc394508182f292b4767504dfbac882744c3df>
18:46 rangi does this work for people http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574
18:43 hudsonbot Starting build 343 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:33 cait hi rangi
18:31 rangi morning
17:11 snail morning all
16:45 wizzyrea yea, that's probably your worst challenge re:koha.
16:43 zpinhead i think, maybe the biggest deal is treating EAD files like giant multi part MARC records.
16:43 wizzyrea which might take some trial and error
16:42 wizzyrea that, mostly, would depend on how you cataloged your items into koha
16:42 wizzyrea koha can email a librarian every time a hold is placed, iirc
16:42 zpinhead right.
16:42 wizzyrea ?
16:42 wizzyrea like holds, but someone gets notified that something needs to be fetched
16:41 zpinhead the vault.
16:41 zpinhead also need a sort of call slip mechanism -- users request items, and they get 'paged' from
16:40 zpinhead and they like their 'organizer' shows at a glance what is where by who.
16:40 * wizzyrea goes off on the practicalities of this for a moment... sorry
16:40 wizzyrea and an impact receipt printer, since the heat ones won't do multicopy receipts
16:40 zpinhead the shelf form.
16:40 zpinhead definitely need to keep the pink for -- very important to have
16:40 wizzyrea for your receipt printer
16:39 wizzyrea or triplicate paper :P
16:39 zpinhead and the white goes in a pocket type organizer that matches the chair numbers where people sit.
16:39 wizzyrea ah, so you'd need additional receipts (or the ability to dupe print receipts) as well
16:39 zpinhead the pink form goes on the shelf (in the vault) to show the item is out, the yellow goes in a box,
16:39 wizzyrea ignore huginn, he's on a rampage today (he's a bot)
16:38 wizzyrea !! paper!
16:38 huginn zpinhead: downloading the Perl source
16:38 zpinhead @wizzyrea -- right now for special collections, they have three part forms -- pink, yellow, white,
16:38 jwagner Not quite one year with us
16:38 oleonard Two years on?
16:38 jwagner we haven't given up hope....
16:37 oleonard jwagner: No, it wasn't directed at you. I don't expect to ever see any of the LEK stuff out in the wild
16:37 wizzyrea ?
16:37 wizzyrea there is no system in place now
16:36 wizzyrea and, you get an excuse to hang out with us :)
16:36 wizzyrea free to modify, free to migrate, free.
16:35 wizzyrea you can either pay to be locked in, or pay (maybe a little less overall) to be free
16:35 wizzyrea well
16:34 zpinhead and buying something like that now -- what a step back, except that there is no ready alternative.
16:34 wahanui1 i already had it that way, huginn.
16:34 huginn zpinhead: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
16:34 zpinhead @wizzyrea -- exactly.
16:33 zpinhead where each person is sitting, and what that person has borrowed.
16:33 zpinhead to you and ask for it back. the items never leave the guarded room, they have a map that shows
16:33 zpinhead oleonard -- not sure they actually have fines for these things -- it's more like, they walk up
16:32 jwagner oleonard, was that directed at me? Our hourly loans feature has still not been approved by the sponsor
16:32 sekjal I've got to talk to my funding body, and get some wheels in motion as to implementation plan
16:31 wizzyrea or, it is now, anyway?
16:31 wizzyrea wasn't that a sekjal thing?
16:30 * oleonard wonders if hourly loans are delayed or if they're being tested by the sponsor
16:29 wizzyrea well, hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically
16:28 wizzyrea sounds like all the worst things about a proprietary ILS
16:27 zpinhead little api -- sometimes none, and no interest in any.
16:27 zpinhead my experience with atlas is: flashy windows interface -- poor integration with other tools, very
16:26 zpinhead and 2) can i be persuasive about open source.
16:26 zpinhead so, from my perspective, what's a few more months.
16:26 zpinhead (they have been waiting, like, 30 years, for an adequate solution).
16:25 zpinhead aeon is non-trivial cost -- it's more down to how 1) time -- not sure anyone want to wait for dev.
16:25 zpinhead well, i don't know. but there is a budget, and a non-trivial one, for yearly maintenance, and initial cost.
16:24 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_Loans_RFC
16:24 wizzyrea and benefits to libraries like yours
16:24 wizzyrea short term outlay for long term benefit
16:24 oleonard That may be what is required.
16:24 oleonard zpinhead: Would your organization be willing to spend some of the money they'd have spent on Aeon to develop the required functionality for Koha?
16:22 zpinhead wondering how hard to do with koha.
16:22 zpinhead would much prefer open source, but have no ready alternative.
16:22 zpinhead windows specific clients.
16:22 zpinhead folks are talking about buying aeon -- very closed architecture.
16:22 zpinhead druthb suggested: "If you build the notion of "Container" right, then it'll work for any level of nesting."
16:20 zpinhead http://www.atlas-sys.com/products/aeon/
16:20 zpinhead like this product -- aeon from atlas systems.
16:20 zpinhead or item.
16:20 zpinhead request items from ead files -- request at level of 'box' or 'folder'
16:20 zpinhead then borrows in room next day.
16:19 zpinhead items always stay in room -- user gives back at end of day
16:19 zpinhead (traceability in case of theft, damage)
16:19 zpinhead 1) preserve user information for ever.
16:19 zpinhead lots of weird requirements.
16:19 zpinhead interested in using koha for 'special collections'.
16:19 zpinhead druthb suggested i ask about this.
16:19 zpinhead hi.
16:18 oleonard Hi zpinhead
16:14 chris_n yup
16:14 oleonard Sounds like paul_p's batch edit might work well for that
16:14 chris_n makes life easier administratively
16:14 chris_n basically we are coordinating our patron accounts with the student id card expiration date
16:13 * chris_n resorts to a little sql magick on the back end
16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3468 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Enhanced patron searching, patron batch edit/delete
16:07 jwagner Our Bug 3468 is patron batch edit as well
16:06 chris_n that might work
16:06 chris_n especially for schools :)
16:06 paul_p but in our queue (sponsored by a new customer) there is a "bulkedit" of patrons ;-)
16:06 * chris_n thinks there should be
16:06 oleonard If there is it must be a closely-guarded secret
16:06 paul_p chris_n, not that I know.
16:02 chris_n is there a way to mass renew patron accounts from the staff interface?
16:00 kf bye all and have a nice weekend
15:51 kf OD since = Seit column
15:51 kf oh, translated to much
15:50 kf sorry, thought I had translated everything
15:50 kf Since
15:46 oleonard "Seit" ?
15:45 kf so you can write them another mail or letter
15:45 kf for finding borrowers with things overdue since x days
15:45 kf it's one of my reports related to fines and notices
15:44 pastebot0 "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "select concat('<a href="/cgi-b" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/139
15:42 kf one second
15:35 oleonard I tried doing one with AND items.itemlost = <<Number>> and it worked
15:35 oleonard kf: Can you describe the kind of query you were doing where a numeric parameter failed?
15:29 wizzyrea hehe unlikely :)
15:29 oleonard wizzyrea: Except your friends now think I want him to be exterminated!
15:28 wizzyrea oleonard: LOL @ dalek
15:27 wahanui1 i am excited and ready for anything! or ready to help!
15:27 oleonard wahanui1: wahanui1?
15:27 rhcl he probably just needs some training
15:27 oleonard wahanui1 is excited and ready for anything!
15:27 wahanui1 oleonard: I forgot wahanui1
15:27 oleonard wahanui1: forget wahanui1
15:26 rhcl_away dude needs some coffee
15:26 oleonard Let's hear some real enthusiasm wahanui1!
15:25 wahanui1 i am onboard I think
15:25 rhcl_away wahanui1: wahanui1?
15:25 druthb oleonard++
15:25 oleonard I wonder how difficult it would be to get guided reports screen output to automatically link to biblios (for biblio.title, biblio.biblionumber), patrons (for borrowers.surname) etc.
15:24 druthb hasn't lost all its' marbles, apparently.
15:24 wahanui1 hmmm... wizzyrea is a nerd
15:24 druthb wahanui1: wizzyrea?
15:24 wahanui1 tcohen: huh?
15:24 tcohen wahanui1: you lost the magic
15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, parameters in guided reports
15:23 tcohen wahanui1: is bug 3929 important?
15:21 * druthb chuckles.
15:20 kf lol
15:20 wizzyrea ;)
15:20 wizzyrea so I suppose you have a point there
15:20 wizzyrea i suppose if you're using the koha paste to share naughty literature with your clandestine online love interest you might not want it to default to the channel
15:19 kf hm, so you don't accidently share the wrong things?
15:16 wizzyrea I never really understood why it defaulted to "none"
15:16 wizzyrea :)
15:16 * oleonard thinks that when it comes to channels there is only one
15:14 wizzyrea (I sometimes forget and have the same problem you just did)
15:14 druthb hi, oleonard! :)
15:14 oleonard Tricky pastebot0!
15:14 wizzyrea oleonard did you tell pastebot which channel to send your paste to?
15:14 kf it's perfect, thx
15:13 oleonard Good morning druthb
15:13 oleonard Sorry for the CONCATs in that, I just tested the last query I'd used
15:13 oleonard http://paste.koha-community.org/138
15:13 oleonard I obviously don't have pastebot0's ear.
15:13 kf this worked - but I am sure there are better ways to do it
15:12 kf cast(<<Days ago>> as decimal)
15:12 kf I did a trick in sql to make it work
15:12 kf those work fine
15:11 oleonard Good point, I didn't test that. I tested with strings and dates.
15:11 kf because of the ' ' aroudn the value
15:11 kf it does not work without an additional trick
15:11 kf oleonard: I found that if you use it to put in an integer valuse, like x days ago
15:10 kf perhaps I had a mistake there
15:10 kf can you share the syntax?
15:09 kf ah cool
15:07 oleonard It worked for querying items.homebranch
15:07 kf i have a note here somewhere... to retest that
15:07 kf yep
15:07 oleonard Using branches as a parameter?
15:06 kf oleonard: do branches work for you?
15:04 wizzyrea paul_p++ for thoughtful implementations
15:04 oleonard It's a very thoughtful implementation. I like the option to use authorised values
15:03 paul_p thx oleonard
15:03 oleonard paul_p++ # for guided reports runtime paramters
14:57 * oleonard finds info on reports parameters in the help file of all places ;)
14:56 kmkale bye all. have a nice weekend
14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, parameters in guided reports
14:41 oleonard Does anyone know how Bug 3929 works?
14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5696 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold deletion should use reservenumber
14:28 oleonard hdl: I've created a new bug report for that: Bug 5696. It would be great if you could attach a patch to that when it's ready
14:28 wahanui1 salut, tcohen
14:28 tcohen wahanui1: hi there
14:24 hdl oleonard: there are some work to be sent about that
14:22 oleonard paul_p or hdl, Might this be a change Biblibre has made in one of your branches?
14:19 * oleonard thought this was one of the primary motivations for adding the unique id
14:18 oleonard Duplicate holds are still deleted all together
14:18 oleonard But it looks like the hold deletion process hasn't been updated to use it?
14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4806 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, circ/circulation.tmpl: Add "reservenumber" in the reserved table
14:18 oleonard Okay, as per Bug 4806 holds now have a unique id in the reserves table
14:17 * oleonard finds the errant pref
14:15 oleonard You'd think I've been through this enough times
14:15 oleonard *sigh* The perennial 3.2 question... Why can't I place a hold...
13:49 kf better be nice to the bots
13:48 wahanui1 :)
13:48 kf wahanui1 botsnack cookies
13:48 kf hehe
13:41 chris_n oleonard: yw
13:41 oleonard chris_n: Thanks for the signoffs yesterday
13:40 jwagner World domination is next on their agenda!!!
13:39 kf that would be scary
13:35 jwagner The bots are cloning?
13:29 kf wahanui_1_?
13:13 wahanui1 hello, oleonard
13:13 oleonard Hi
13:13 kf hi oleonard :)
13:09 * kf waves
13:08 wahanui1 hola, hdl
13:08 hdl hi
12:55 jwagner morning/afternoon/evening, the rest of the world....
12:53 paul_p 'morning americans south & north !
12:47 kf understandable
12:44 kmkale kf: I dont dxare touch search.pm
12:44 Nate__ hiya slef
12:44 kf kmkale: oh :(
12:44 slef hi Nate__
12:42 Nate__ morning #koha!
12:20 kmkale kf using Biblio.pm seems to be the way
12:03 kf I understand
12:03 * thd sleeps
12:03 thd kf: prefiltered records are the problem
12:03 kf ah
12:02 kmkale its displayed in details
12:02 kmkale kf: no 6xx displayed in results with xslt
12:02 thd kf: XSLT needs the data to be in the record parsed
12:01 kf xslt doesn't work?
12:00 kmkale by thd
12:00 kmkale search.pm getRecords seems to return complete marc set ( may be wrong as the dumper does not display mark tag numbers but the data is displayed.) but the search.pm searchResults method returns a subset. This subset is pushed in template param. so I think I need to change searchResults method in search.pm :(
12:00 thd kmkale: I hope you solve the problem, I have to sleep.
11:48 mtj 12:51am here
11:47 kf still a lot of friday left for me
11:47 kf 12:50 pm
11:47 thd 6.50 AM where I am is late :)
11:47 kf my trick is multiple personalities... hides the fact that I am almost always here a bit better
11:47 mtj kf: nah, 1am isnt that late
11:46 thd kf: Koha keeps people awake forever.
11:46 mtj someone already had wasabi :/
11:46 thd kf: That is what Koha will do to you
11:46 kf my nick seems to be too short to be registered
11:46 thd I chose uniquely enough not to need a new nick.
11:45 kf and you are awake at odd hours :)
11:45 mtj i have a new nick
11:45 thd Hello mason
11:44 mtj NZ, mtj = mason.t.james
11:44 thd mtj: Where are you from?
11:44 mtj ok, i am off guys, cheers for the info
11:44 thd mtj:Yes the result set should be brief in the OPAC.
11:42 mtj so a speed win there for results display
11:41 mtj ultimately it could be complete, but mostly commented-out
11:40 mtj well, heres a good point, the .xsl for search results should be pretty brief
11:38 thd mtj: Not writing to MARC for circulation is the easiest fix for performance people are implementing.
11:37 mtj argreed there
11:37 mtj hmm, i wonder if there are hacks/tricks to optimise an .xsl file
11:37 thd mtj: This issue is trivial compared to some looping problems people are fixing for Koha 3.4
11:35 thd mtj: a few users may not notice but given enough users and enough useful features yet to be written also taking the CPU, then the CPU needs to be used more efficiently. to be used better.
11:35 mtj so thats the cost of a complete marc.xsl file, the execution of the .xsl is a killer
11:33 mtj ok, i get it :/
11:33 thd mtj: exactly
11:33 mtj ah
11:33 mtj and its all that extra evaluating that the performance killer?
11:33 thd mtj: exactly
11:32 mtj thd: so the catch with a complete (read: HUGE) marc.xsl file, is that all of teh xsl needs to be evaluated, even if the bib is tiny?
11:30 thd kmkale: all the data is retrieved for search.pl, however, it may be subsequently filtered before being handed for result set display processing.
11:28 kmkale will verify this
11:28 thd mtj: XSLT needs to call its own version of a MARC framework.
11:28 kmkale uncommenting use Data::Dumper; print STDERR "-" x 25, "\n", Dumper($results_hashref); in opac-search.pl seems to indicate that all marc info is retrieved
11:27 thd mtj: Fixing the problem would mean redesigning how it functions.
11:26 thd mtj: The trouble is that fixing it would not be a minor tweak.
11:26 thd mtj: Yes, I am one of the unreasonable people never satisfied with what most people find acceptable.
11:25 mtj it just needs improvement, to make it complete and faster
11:25 mtj yeah, it works well enuff for most usage
11:23 thd mtj: There has never been substantial effort on XSLT specifically for Koha. The functionality was essentially invoked from YAZ.
11:21 thd mtj: fredericd had asked me about XSLT a couple of years ago and so I investigated deeply.
11:20 mtj thd: its great to hear you have been doing work in this xslt area, those problems are all new to me
11:20 kmkale thats what I suspect. That was the reason of the ALL marc question above
11:19 thd kmkale: The problem may be that the record prepared for the result set page may already be a subset of the record.
11:17 mtj ok, yes, i only run marc21 kohas
11:16 thd mtj: There is a general problem that most of the XSLT files only work with MARC 21 and not UNIMARC.
11:15 thd mtj: I have discussed fixing the issue with fredericd.
11:15 thd mtj: If the list of fields you want to display is small the issue is moot.
11:15 mtj ok, sounds like a good thing to fix in the future
11:14 thd mtj: The parsing logic reversed.
11:14 mtj ah, ok
11:13 thd mtj: Yes backwards.
11:13 thd mtj: It simply does not scale for presenting all possible record information even if faster boxes are cheap. Enough users displaying enough records will slow anything.
11:13 mtj are you saying koha does this the wrong/slow way?
11:12 thd mtj: In contrast, it parses what you want to do with the content against the record content.
11:11 mtj add more content to your .xsl file and get a faster box
11:11 thd mtj: It should parse the record content against what you want to do with the content.
11:10 thd mtj: No mere tweak required. It is written backwards.
11:10 mtj both things are know problems with workarounds
11:10 mtj i imagine the xslt parsing stuff hasnt had a speed tweak yet , tho
11:08 thd mtj: yes I only refer to speed and precious CPU cycles
11:08 mtj aaaahhh, a speed issue
11:07 thd mtj: However, if you want to display everything which might ever be in any record then the design inefficiency is revealed.
11:07 kmkale but are displayed in the details [page
11:07 kmkale changed to xslt and 1st tghing is subjests are NOT displayed in the results page
11:07 mtj yep, that works ok for me
11:07 thd mtj: Yes you can have it display anything you want by specifying what you want.
11:06 mtj by modding the .xsl file
11:06 thd mtj: The files for OPAC detail are the most problematic.
11:06 mtj but ive manged to display any bib subfield i want, so far
11:05 mtj theres a *lot* of stuff re: xslt i dont understand yet,
11:05 thd mtj: The exact ones which you have identified
11:04 mtj im curious, which file/s ?
11:04 thd mtj: The evidence is there in the code.
11:03 thd mtj: There should be no need to parse anything not in the record.
11:03 mtj pass, that hasn't been my experience yet
11:03 thd mtj: That is why I mean that the XSLT implementation is written backwards.
11:02 thd mtj: The problem with adding what is missing is that it would require parsing the entire MARC standard to be complete.
11:02 mtj s/652/653/
11:02 mtj like a 652 block
11:02 mtj … for at least your clients koha
11:02 mtj yep, so add the stuff thats missing ;)
11:01 mtj i like XSLT for making my system easier to upgrade, for custom display-mods
11:01 thd kf: XSLT is good. The implementation in Koha is weak.
11:00 mtj and your XSLT mod is more likely to not break when you upgrade your koha
11:00 kf I like xslt
11:00 kf mtj: good point :)
11:00 thd kmkale: The XSLT filters should be reading the record sequentially and only doing something for actual record content.
10:59 mtj if you use XSLT , you just have to make a mod to MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
10:59 mtj i guess my point is, if you dont use XSLT to have to make a nasty mod in opac-results.pl, *and* opac-results.tmpl
10:59 thd kmkale: The problem from an efficiency point of view is that the XSLT filters search the record for a list of fields and subfields.
10:57 kmkale kf thanks. May take you up on that help offer
10:57 thd kmkale: YAZ can also convert records using XSLT filters.
10:57 * kmkale is aware of YAZ. In the form of yaz-client
10:56 thd kmkale: The goal of the filters was to show very little information.
10:56 thd kmkale: YAZ is from IndexData and the Koha XSLT filters are essentially copied from YAZ.
10:56 kmkale <quote> add the entire MARC standard to the XSLT filter.</quote> sounds scary
10:56 kf kmkale: if you need some help to make it show something, perhaps I can help you sometime
10:55 kf kmkale: don't be scared - xslt is changeable
10:55 kmkale thd: I did not understand anything from the above statement ;)
10:54 thd kmkale: The problem with XSLT efficiency is that the Koha implementation is actually merely a feature of YAZ with no concern for anything other than a minimal display.
10:54 mtj hah, a dead url :/
10:53 mtj so its gonna be pretty complete?
10:53 mtj koha's xslt marc stuff references xmlns:marc="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"
10:53 thd kmkale: record display in Koha is weak either way.
10:52 thd kmkale: It is not scary.
10:52 kmkale s/scring/scaring/
10:52 kmkale thd: you are scring me
10:51 mtj but hey, a silly topic... :)
10:51 thd mtj: If you want to display any arbitrary record data with the XSLT design you have to add the entire MARC standard to the XSLT filter.
10:51 mtj well, most liblime customers didnt make changes to their XSLT files ;)
10:50 kmkale ok. WIll have a look see.
10:49 thd kmkale: Unicode should display fine for any option.
10:49 mtj meaning more of your bib info is displayed using xslt, than the no-xslt option
10:49 thd mtj: Almost all of LibLime's customers had XSLT turned on for them.
10:49 kmkale s/India/Indic/
10:48 mtj nah, its more complete than the other option
10:48 kmkale thd: mtj any idea if xslt *might* have any issues with Unicode stuff like India scripts?
10:48 mtj most libraries using MARC21 dont know about xslt?
10:47 thd kmkale: You should be warned that the XSLT work in Koha is very incomplete and maximally inefficient if your goal is to report very complete record information.
10:47 kmkale :)
10:47 mtj ;) pass, i dont know that...
10:47 mtj [[citation needed]]
10:46 mtj xslt makes the opac look much prettier too
10:46 thd kmkale: most libraries using MARC 21 prefer to use XSLT for the ease of making changes.
10:45 kmkale mtj: never used xslt. will have a look. Thanks for the info
10:45 thd kmkale: It should contain everything in the record
10:45 mtj kmkale: add your 653 stuff to MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl file
10:44 kmkale In the searchResults( ) method in Search.pm, does the my $marcrecord object contain ALL the marc tags for the record?
10:43 thd mtj: I had not realised that the result set was affected.
10:42 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl;h=b3f61e53b5d0d13980d1ec5adbd0c66cfa1770bb;hb=HEAD
10:40 mtj … by the xslt stylesheets
10:40 mtj if he turned on xslt syspref for opac, it *would* be affected
10:38 thd mtj: kmkale is trying to change the result set with multiple records which is unaffected by the XSLT stylesheets
10:38 mtj better = easier for you to customize
10:37 mtj kmkale: use XSLT for opac, its better
10:36 kmkale my $marcrecord = MARC::File::USMARC::decode( $marcresults[$i] );
10:36 kmkale for ( my $i = $offset ; $i <= $times - 1 ; $i++ ) {
10:36 kmkale # loop through all of the records we've retrieved
10:36 thd The query formation is the most complicated part.
10:36 kmkale thd: yup
10:35 thd kmkale: However, you only need to find what happens when the result set is returned not when the query is sent which is the more complicated part.
10:35 kmkale I have read those threads with interest
10:34 thd kmkale: Search.pm is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support.
10:33 kmkale I have no clue whats going on in Search.pm
10:32 kmkale thd: For a non perl person like me its a code nightmare
10:31 thd kmkale: The design of the result set page makes my wince when I see it.
10:26 kmkale which gets its values from @newresults = searchResults( method in Search.pm ( I think )
10:25 kmkale fpr that I will need to populate the template->param(SEARCH_RESULTS in opac-search.pl ( I think )
10:24 kmkale also I am trying to get this value in the search page. Not the detail page
10:24 kmkale thd: yes
10:24 thd kmkale are you certain that the record which you are expecting to see something from 653 $a has a value in 653 $a?
10:21 thd kmkale: the hidden value is 0 which should make 653 $a visible in the OPAC.
10:17 thd kmkale: Perhaps the framework hidden value for 653 $a is hiding the data from the OPAC.
10:16 thd kmkale: subjects in opac-detail do not use the Koha SQL database anymore.
10:15 thd kmkale: yes in biblio.pm you were right
10:08 kmkale GetMarcBiblio from biblio.pm
10:08 thd GetMarcSubjects
10:08 kmkale thd: looking.
10:07 thd kmkale: kf is correct that you should look at opac-detail.pl
10:05 kf we are using the xslt views, but there is none for results in staff
10:04 kmkale ok
10:04 kmkale kf i am on opac results page
10:04 kf so I thought you might want to look there and check
10:03 kf I think the opac detail view gets the information from the methods in biblio.pm
10:02 kmkale kf: so I should use biblio.pm directly in opac-search.pl?
10:01 kmkale opac-search.pl calls @newresults = searchResults( then populates $template->param(SEARCH_RESULTS => \@newresults,
10:01 thd kmkale: Do you mean one record or a set of brief records?
10:01 kf there are methods to get things like subjects
10:01 kf or not sure, when i added the Controlnumber to the opacsearchtitlein I added it to biblio.pm
10:00 kf pm
10:00 kf kmkale: I don't hink it's search om
09:58 kmkale thd: I am looking into search.pm sub searchResults {. Cant figure how stuff like  is getting populated in search.pm Any hints?
09:02 kf h hdl1
07:59 * Brooke_ is going to try and relax then go to sleep. Not like...
07:57 Brooke_ namaste :D
07:57 kmkale namaste Brooke_
07:50 Brooke_ :)
07:50 kf hi Brooke_
07:47 Brooke_ kia ora
07:44 kf for his template work :)
07:44 kf chris_hall++
07:39 kf you both are great
07:30 rangi chris_n has been a big help
07:30 rangi Yep, getting the biblibre stuff attached to bugs, signed off and merged in
07:07 kf chris_n++
07:07 kf lots of messages from git in my inbox
07:07 kf rangi++
06:57 kf hi francharb and kmkale
06:56 rangi hi francharb
06:56 francharb morning #koha
06:53 kmkale hi chris kf
06:47 kf hi chris
06:44 rangi hi kf
06:43 kf good morning #koha
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03:06 druthb Koha would require a fair bit of hacking to get there. It's not un-do-able, but it's non-trivial
03:06 zpinhead ttyl.
03:06 zpinhead tty.
03:06 zpinhead cheers.
03:06 zpinhead cannot find anything else in the space.
03:06 zpinhead looking at aeon -- i would really like to have something else but i
03:06 druthb you bet. Some interesting ideas that jump off the screen at me...
03:06 zpinhead i will sign on tomorrow in working hours. my library is
03:05 zpinhead thanks druthb.
03:05 druthb I'm gonna head out for the evening. zpinhead, please do come back by during US working hours--lotsa folks here and talking, then. Someone may have other ideas that could help.
03:00 druthb Such a hack would have some value in other contexts, such as kits--barcode the individual objects, and the box they're in.
02:59 druthb There'd be lots of display, editing, circ hacks to be done, but the change to the data structures would not be insane for that.
02:58 druthb That could be done by adding one field to the Koha items table, which would contain the itemnumber of the parent item. a NULL there indicates a top-level item, and an item with no children pointing at it is a bottom-level.
02:57 * druthb looks to the "digital space" in her head...
02:55 druthb Then when you check out any container, it should check out all nested objects contained by it, as deep as needed.
02:54 druthb (If a container holds zero others, then it's a folder, the lowest level of stuff you'll put over the circ desk.
02:54 druthb "A biblio may hold a Container, which may, in turn, hold, zero-or-more other containers.
02:51 druthb If you build the notion of "Container" right, then it'll work for any level of nesting.
02:49 zpinhead conventions -- so could tailor to that.
02:49 zpinhead -- one can do that. but one institution usually has one set of
02:48 zpinhead you can have boxes in boxes in boxes in folders in folders.
02:47 druthb mhm
02:47 zpinhead of nesting -- but i guess we could tailor it to our own needs.
02:46 zpinhead ead is really hard to parse also -- lots of options, lots of levels
02:36 druthb yep.
02:35 zpinhead things, entities.
02:35 zpinhead need some sort of 'enclosed' or 'dependency' relations between
02:35 zpinhead some folders -- need to know that those folders are checked out.
02:34 druthb yah, could be tedious to check out all the folders in the box.
02:33 zpinhead tricky bit is: if someone has borrowed a box -- which contains
02:32 druthb might use the item enum-chron field for box-folder info.
02:31 druthb LibLime Enterprise Koha is a product supported by PTFS/LibLime, based on an older Koha base... The Koha that's talked about here is based at www.koha-community.org
02:31 zpinhead and then, some how connect the boxes, and folders as holding info.
02:30 zpinhead as for EAD, like you said -- each EAD would be one bib record,
02:30 druthb If you're looking at koha.org, you're looking in the wrong place.
02:30 zpinhead on koha.org
02:29 zpinhead says koha has call slips. but i don't see anything
02:29 zpinhead this:http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14230
02:26 druthb yeah, I've seen 'em before. But Koha has no tool for that.
02:23 zpinhead circ place?
02:23 zpinhead fetch this item from the stacks, and deliver it to a particular
02:22 druthb no, though I think it's been talked about.
02:21 zpinhead is there a 'call slip' mechanism for koha?
02:19 druthb The Really Big Stinker, as I see it, is the EAD format...Koha knows nothing whatever about that.
02:19 druthb Easy enough, that.
02:19 zpinhead so you need to create users on the spot.
02:18 zpinhead and many users are not actually registered at the university --
02:18 zpinhead from 'library annex', but some (many) are of the EAD type.
02:18 zpinhead also some items are also in library catalog -- and need to be fetched
02:18 zpinhead need to make sure schedules don't conflict.
02:17 druthb could maybe use the holds mechanism for part of that, with a little hacking.
02:17 zpinhead a thing for a few days -- so you need to have check-out's queued up.
02:17 zpinhead there is also a scheduling aspect. folks come from far away to use
02:16 druthb If you designated a folder as the item, and have a herd of items hooked to the bib, which could be a box or a whole collection, you could make it work. Loading the data would be a little gnarly, but do-able.
02:16 zpinhead borrowing one volume of a serial.
02:15 zpinhead like 'Ezra Cornell's paper' box 32 -- folder 12 -- it's kind of like
02:15 druthb yah, how you define *item* is something kind of incompatible with Koha's notion of *item.*
02:15 zpinhead you (the patron) borrow a part of a thing -- like, from a particular collection,
02:14 zpinhead i think maybe one key is that you don't have a whole thing.
02:13 druthb EAD records would be something unexpected for it, so some hacking would likely be needed.
02:13 druthb I suspect *something* could be done, although Koha is pretty MARC21/UNIMARC-centric.
02:11 druthb ....
02:11 zpinhead http://www.atlas-sys.com/products/aeon/
02:11 zpinhead here is a url for the 'aeon' product.
02:09 zpinhead thanks.
02:09 zpinhead anyone have any clues as to if this might have been done before?
02:09 zpinhead depending on configuration of 'collection'.
02:09 zpinhead request items from ead files -- request at level of 'box' or 'folder'
02:08 zpinhead uses next day, or for several days.
02:08 zpinhead 2) items always stay in room -- user gives back at end of day
02:08 zpinhead 1) preserve user information for ever.
02:07 zpinhead see the product 'aeon' by atlas systems.
02:07 zpinhead interested in using koha for 'special collections'.
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01:49 chris_n @later tell jwagner http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hard_Coded_Values
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01:49 chris_n @later tell jwagner here is an updated version based on my parsing through irc logs and code
01:21 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5532 - sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs
01:21 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5689 - System preference notifications are not translatable
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01:18 chris_n @later tell jwagner but I don't think that helps much as what they mean apparently never got filled in
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00:52 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5690
00:52 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs
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00:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5532 - sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7acfb3a17f9ab592b385b032c93c96d6894ff821> / Fix for Bug 5689 - System preference notifications are not translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aac253a5e0192b14dfa23e34c76629020c392bca>
00:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5115, Tags JavaScript includes many untranslatable strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dec6be9148ec28b240015762cdeb7019fbfadeb6> / Merge branch 'new/bug_5690' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea93d3b56e4654530871e3c454251d16b9d5ce0e> / Bug 5690 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60dd25b5c230249581a973
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00:27 chris_n well the bug is updated at any rate
00:05 * chris_n goes to dig through the code a bit
00:05 chris_n so I probably don't have these images setup
00:04 chris_n but nothing changes with my test data
00:04 rangi ah right
00:04 chris_n now they just are conditional based on the new syspref
00:04 rangi rhcl: yep
00:04 chris_n apparently these images were there before
00:04 rangi maybe update the bug and ask marcel to explain more
00:04 rhcl is wahanui1 a bot?
00:04 chris_n not exactly
00:04 rangi but not sure how to test them?
00:03 chris_n they apply
00:03 * chris_n tested the patches for 5687
00:03 rangi pass
00:03 rangi hmmm
00:03 chris_n authorized even
00:02 chris_n so which images are athorized value images?