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00:07 mtj hdl: about still?
00:07 mtj (mc-CCODE,phr:MATAHI) returns some results..
00:07 hdl mtj: still awake
00:07 mtj but (mc-CCODE,ext:MATAHI) gives a zebrasrv error
00:08 hdl do you have edited your record.abs to add ccode:p
00:08 hdl ?
00:08 hdl AND reindexed ?
00:08 mtj yes, and yes
00:09 mtj melm 952$8 ccode:w,ccode:p
00:09 mtj melm 952$8 ccode:w,ccode: p
00:09 hdl grab your default.idx and see whether completeness 1 for p index
00:09 mtj shall i remove the ccode:w , perhaps?
00:10 mtj yep
00:10 mtj index p
00:11 mtj completeness 1
00:12 mtj hmm, my search with ext is ..
00:12 mtj 13:11:24-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 MATAHI
00:12 mtj but default.idx says...
00:13 mtj # Phrase index
00:13 mtj # Used if completeness is 'complete {sub}field' (@attr 6=2, @attr 6=1)
00:13 mtj no mention of '@attr 6=3'
00:14 mtj .
00:14 mtj mason@xen1:~/koha/k3/etc/zebradb$ grep -ir '6=3' ./*
00:14 mtj ./ccl.properties:startswithnt 3=1 5=101 6=3
00:14 mtj ./ccl.properties:complete-field 6=3
00:14 mtj ./ccl.properties:ext 4=1 6=3
00:15 mtj ./pqf.properties:position.firstAndLast = 3=3 6=3
00:16 hdl change 6=3 to 6=2 in ccl.properties just for a test
00:16 wahanui hdl: that doesn't look right
00:23 mtj ive done that , the query is different now, but still an error
00:23 hdl can you get the error code ?
00:23 mtj 13:25:08-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=2 MATAHI
00:24 mtj i havent reindexed yet tho
00:24 hdl you neednt
00:24 hdl do you have a yaz-client ?
00:24 mtj yep
00:25 hdl try without f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=3 MATAHI
00:26 hdl without attr 4
00:27 mtj ok, attr 4=1 was the phr type search, i think?
00:27 hdl it is :p
00:31 * chris_n greets gmcharlt
00:32 mtj hdl: sorry, remembering how to auth to zebra , using yazclient... :/
00:32 hdl you needn't get authenticated
00:32 hdl base biblios
00:32 hdl then search
00:35 rangi i see gmcharlt made it to canada
00:35 mtj Z> f 1=8009 @attr 6=3 MATAHI
00:35 mtj ^
00:35 mtj Prefix query error: extra token (code 1)
00:37 mtj it errors on 6=3 and 6=2 too
00:38 mtj looks more...
00:44 mtj interesting...
00:45 mtj 6=1 works ok, but 6=2 and 6=3 dont, for me..
00:45 mtj Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=1 MATAKI , is successfull
00:45 mtj .
00:45 mtj Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=2 MATAKI
00:46 mtj Sent searchRequest.
00:46 mtj Received SearchResponse.
00:46 mtj Search was a bloomin' failure.
00:46 mtj Number of hits: 0, setno 14
00:46 mtj Result Set Status: none
00:46 mtj records returned: 0
00:47 mtj Diagnostic message(s) from database:
00:47 mtj [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8009'
00:47 mtj Elapsed: 0.000354
00:47 mtj so my 'ext' mapping isnt correct, i guess
00:54 thd indradg: are you here and awake?
00:54 mtj hdl: ok cheers, i think ive got enuff info to start debugging my koha
00:54 hdl mtj: sorry
00:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35b47b6ff71ea2bcfc699ec35132756d01bfadd3>
00:55 rangi meeting bbiab
00:55 hdl mtj: should be either 6=2 or 6=3 with 4=1
00:55 hdl problem is to find the correct combination
00:56 hdl since zebra is not forgiving
00:56 mtj right, ok
00:57 mtj i might ask you to look on a BL koha , with your fix running sometime
00:58 hudsonbot Starting build 335 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:17 chris_n heya brendan_
01:17 chris_n gmcharlt: identity crisis?
01:19 gmcharlt chris_n: just kicking bip
01:19 chris_n ahh... I had a bip-kicking session earlier am
01:23 thd gmcharlt: Are you in Canada now?
01:23 gmcharlt thd: yep
01:23 thd gmcharlt: what part?
01:23 gmcharlt Toronto
01:25 thd gmcharlt: How does it compare to Florida this time of year?
01:25 icicle I don't melt, for one
01:26 gmcharlt @wunder toronto
01:26 huginn gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found.
01:26 gmcharlt @wunder toronto, on
01:26 huginn gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found.
01:26 gmcharlt @wunder toronto, ontario
01:26 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is -8.0�C (8:24 PM EST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
01:26 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #335: SUCCESS in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/335/
01:26 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch
01:27 thd gmcharlt: Have you had favourable interactions with people from GPLS over OpenNCIP?
01:28 gmcharlt thd: it's on the back burner; fair amount going on with Evergreen's application to join the SFC
01:29 thd SFC?
01:29 gmcharlt software freedom conservancy
01:30 thd Oh yes, I have not been reading most any mailing lists.
01:31 * chris_n was in toronto last year this time
01:31 chris_n enjoyed a bitof sight seeing at niagara while I was there
01:39 mtj weirder still, i can search OK using 'ext' on a title, in zebra
01:39 mtj Z> f @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 Listening
01:39 mtj 1=4 is title , btw...
01:40 mtj but using an 'ext' search on ccode (8009), gives an error...
01:40 mtj Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 Listening
01:40 mtj Sent searchRequest.
01:40 mtj Received SearchResponse.
01:40 mtj Search was a bloomin' failure.
01:40 mtj Number of hits: 0, setno 13
01:41 mtj Result Set Status: none
01:41 mtj records returned: 0
01:41 thd gmcharlt: when is the next SFC board meeting at which Evergreen might be accepted?
01:41 mtj Diagnostic message(s) from database:
01:41 mtj [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8009'
01:41 mtj .
01:42 mtj so ?somehow? the zebra config has allowed 'ext' searching on title, but not ccode?
01:42 mtj i need to track down where thats defined :/
01:42 gmcharlt thd: the app has been approved by the SFC and invitation has been extended; project is in discussions about it; see archives at http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/evergreen-governance-l/ if you're curious
01:43 thd I have been looking at the list in the past few minutes but was not certain which thread is most relevant to the current discussion.
01:45 thd gmcharlt: I am most interested in how the people vs. institution issue works out for membership, http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=governance:structure:draft_rules .
01:48 thd gmcharlt: Would institutions be members and also significant contributors who are members of the institution separately/
01:48 thd ?
01:48 gmcharlt thd: that's still a bit unsettled
01:48 gmcharlt the SFC treats projects as collections of individuals
01:49 gmcharlt a more instituion-based model was advocated by some on the EG gov committee
01:49 thd gmcharlt: That issue came up again momentarily at the #koha meeting today.
01:50 gmcharlt thd: not surprising; it's I think one of the inherent dichotomies in library OSS projects
01:51 thd gmcharlt: I personally like people with explicitly known affiliations but I understand that people at small libraries do not want to be outvoted by the larger staff of large libraries.
01:51 thd s/staff/staff\/significant patrons/
01:59 druthb evenin, #koha.
02:10 mtj i think zebra may have p0wnd my brain this arvo
02:59 rangi @later tell chris_n thanks for the fix and signoff
02:59 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
03:18 Brooke_ kia ora
03:21 mtj heya Brooke_
03:21 * Brooke_ smiles at the mtj
03:21 Brooke_ your initials sound like a freeway in California.
03:27 Brooke_ http://xkcd.com/850/
03:27 jransom just told microsoft phone operator that his companies phone maze sucks the life force of me
03:27 jransom i HATE them
03:28 mtj jransom: yep, its part of their design spec ;)
03:31 rangi hi Brooke_
03:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug: 4263 - Repeatable subfields in items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa398ed055a7226ba02d6559b297cb172b3ce3df>
03:31 * Brooke_ salutes Rangi
03:38 jransom I can feel my life force being sucked out of me ..... find myself using clipped 1 syllable words now
03:39 Brooke_ it's part of being a Duhrector
03:39 Brooke_ soon you'll find a black glove on your hand
03:39 Brooke_ it's natural.
03:40 Brooke_ okay, fine, it's twitter.
03:43 hudsonbot Starting build 336 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:46 rangi http://www.maconch.com/features/x1779421749/Macon-Public-LIbrary-has-new-software-system
03:49 Brooke_ tee hee
03:49 Brooke_ if only I knew the mind behind the move!
04:05 Brooke_ ahoy there kmkale
04:05 kmkale hey Brooke_
04:06 kmkale Namaskar #koha
04:06 Brooke_ namaste
04:06 kmkale wow Brooke_ how did ya know that?
04:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #336: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/336/
04:07 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug: 4263 - Repeatable subfields in items
04:07 Brooke_ >.>
04:07 Brooke_ <.<
06:07 cait hi all
06:21 * kmkale waves at cait
06:21 cait hi kmkale
06:24 thd kmkale: What about the 'not good' but cheap accommodations in Thane?
06:25 kmkale There are too many.
06:25 kmkale Cant find website links
06:26 kmkale but if we do decide on Thane, I intend to visit the better and good ones and set up a booking system
06:27 kmkale Also if you fancy, all the major international 5 / 7 stars in Mumbai are within 15km distance from the college campus
06:27 thd kmkale: A few hours ago I found some prices for Mumbai lower than anywhere except Somerset.
06:27 kmkale :)
06:27 kmkale thd: the exchange rates work in your favour when you visit us
06:28 thd kmkale: I thought that India and Nepal would have the very lowest prices to offset for the higher air fare from the US.
06:28 thd kmkale: Where do local people without much money stay/
06:29 thd ?
06:29 kmkale thd: there are lots of small inns. good clean rooms with air conditioning about 1000/- INR
06:29 kmkale thats approx 20USD
06:30 kmkale & even cheaper Non air conditioned ones. But I wont have you try those ;)
06:30 thd I found some of those a few hours ago.
06:33 kmkale thd: do share the links you found
06:35 thd kmkale: http://www.hostels.com/findabed.php?ChosenCity=Mumbai&ChosenCountry=India&Search=1
06:38 kmkale thd: there are similar hotels in Thane. Closer to the campus than these. Will try to get accommodation organized as per requirements / budgets if we decide on Thane
06:39 kmkale Also there is just a administrative boundry between Thane and Mumbai. Its a continuous cityscape so hotel choice is really wide.
06:41 thd kmkale: Please try to alter the wiki page listing to include a lower range of prices or some may decide against Thane falsely.
06:41 fredericd interesting...
06:41 fredericd hi all
06:41 kmkale thd: ok
06:41 fredericd is there accomaodation near the campus?
06:41 thd Hello fredericd
06:41 kmkale fredericd: yes
06:43 fredericd thd: glad to meet you here and soon in Thane...
06:47 thd fredericd: I may favour Kolkata with the National Library.
06:48 thd However, as I told nengard yesterday, eventually there will be a KohaCon everywhere.
06:48 fredericd thd: at the same time?
06:48 fredericd I'd prefer to go to Nepal...
06:49 thd fredericd: No, eventually every significant place will have a chance to host KohaCon in different years.
06:50 fredericd New York would be nice also
06:51 thd I am very interested in seeing places where library metadata standards and practises are most different from what is familiar to me.
06:52 thd fredericd: New York would be nice but accommodation is maximally expensive for anyone who does not have a small place with some rent control.
07:00 francharb hello all
07:26 kf good mornig #koha
08:10 kf hi paul_p and hdl
08:11 hdl hi all
08:13 paul_p hello kf & al
08:13 Oak \o
08:13 paul_p nengard++
08:13 paul_p for the opacprivacy video
09:02 thd kmkale: I have a question about what I saw in your Koha installations.
09:04 kmkale yes thd ?
09:04 wahanui1 thd is concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option. We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server.
09:05 thd kmkale: not what the bot said.
09:06 kmkale got it. please ask your question..
09:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2341: items marked 'on order' not reserveable from search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f692123bf1b2b843d348a897852018caa04de76f>
09:07 thd kmkale: one thing I noticed is that your category links bring up a blank Open Office spreadsheet in my webroser.
09:07 kmkale which site thd?
09:07 thd s/my webrowser/Iceweasel/
09:08 kmkale 1 min on call
09:08 thd http://59.165.133.196/
09:09 kmkale aye thats a WIP
09:09 kmkale where did you get it?
09:10 thd kmkale: It is linked from http://www.orientalthane.com/
09:10 kmkale what the hell
09:11 kmkale ouch. Will ask the web admin to change it asap. Thanks thd
09:11 thd kmkale: Your welcome
09:11 thd kmkale: The flash advertisement for the book delivery service seemed very interesting.
09:12 kmkale :) its a young enterprenure's dream project
09:12 kmkale helping him with Koha
09:12 thd kmkale: Is there much interest in personal delivery services in India?
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09:13 kmkale 1 min on call again :(
09:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6a3029470501b3a8269986c1448d5f8b2d6b7f2> / Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1f36a0c940fa53a5671b379a31d77c2cbe40a7f> / Bug 5673: test guarantorid consistently <http://git.koha-community.org
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09:39 hudsonbot Ian Walls: Bug 2341: items marked 'on order' not reserveable from search results
09:40 thd kmkale: are you still on telephone?
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09:43 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5673: test guarantorid consistently
09:43 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios
09:43 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined
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10:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e29aca325d199468673365ee7540760b38630833>
10:16 kmkale thd: Sorry, that call led to a full fledged conference call meeting.
10:16 kmkale thd: re personal book delivery services I am working with two independent entrepreneurs from different cities. Both planning to set this up with Koha
10:16 kmkale bug 5670 is very interesting
10:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5670 enhancement, P5, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, Housebound Readers Module
10:19 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
10:19 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #339: FIXED in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/339/
10:19 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge
10:22 thd kmkale: Does Abhay Kambli have an office in the US?
10:23 kmkale thd: not that I know of. Why?
10:24 thd kmkale: Maybe the name is common but I found someone of that name with an office in New York.
10:24 thd kmkale: http://www.spoke.com/info/p8dzjrk/AbhayKambli
10:25 thd kmkale: Will Abhay Kambli be at KohaCon wherever it may be held at least if it is somewhere in South Asia?
10:25 kmkale cant tell without a photo. Will ask him
10:26 kmkale thd: no clue. I have advised him to be a subscriber to Koha mailing lists many times. So far he hasn't
10:27 kmkale thd: do you know this person?
10:27 thd kmkale: no but I like the idea of Koha being put to use in the books business.
10:28 kmkale thd: books business? Its a home lending library
10:28 thd kmkale: Well yes but there is a rental fee.
10:29 thd kmkale: The idea that there is a fee involved seems very much like the books business to me.
10:30 thd kmkale: There is also a delivery service which libraries do not generally do.
10:30 kmkale thd: every circulating library here charges a monthly fee
10:31 thd kmkale: Well I suppose that is one more reason to see South Asia and discover such differences.
10:32 thd kmkale: Subscription libraries are rare in the part of the world with which I am familiar.
10:35 thd kmkale: Most library services in the part of the world with which I am familiar are financed by some institution or governmental body. User fees are reserved for special services such as photocopies but never ordinary lending.
10:36 thd kmkale: The delivery service attracted my attention. Are delivery services customarily provided by libraries in your area?
10:40 kmkale yay!! my net connection :(
10:41 thd kmkale: The delivery service attracted my attention. Are delivery services customarily provided by libraries in your area?
10:41 kmkale thd: currently there are no libraries offering delivery services in my area ( at least that I know of)
10:41 kmkale thd: that is why this project was very interesting to me
10:42 thd kmkale: Are home based lending libraries common?
10:42 kmkale thd: the other person I spoke has some very interesting ideas beyond this, but I cant discuss them right now till he launches it
10:42 kmkale thd: home based lending meaning books delivered to home? then no
10:43 kmkale thd: but if you mean I can take a book home, then yes
10:43 thd kmkale: Home based meaning people with about a thousand books at home setting up a fee based lending library.
10:44 kmkale thd: yes. there are small fee based lending library in almost every major housing cluster
10:45 thd kmkale: Are other public library provisions too insufficient to meet public demand for books?
10:45 kmkale thd: even the large, funded public libraries like mgst.in are fee based
10:46 kmkale there are not many large public libraries. Commuting to them is a problem, so people prefer the smaller ones close to home
10:47 kmkale large public libraries are so under funded that there is hardly any computerization
10:48 kmkale whereever the libraries have done computerization at all, its based on some home grown software ( most probabely foxpro based or ms access at most)
10:49 kmkale these software have no concept of standard cataloging.
10:50 kmkale when I do conversions for Granthalaya.org project, I find the catalog consists of 8 to 10 columns in a register or excel or foxpro or access
10:50 thd kmkale: I have seen such a catalogue at a US library once in rural Maine.
10:51 kmkale no large public libraries can afford to employ properly qualified librarian staff
10:51 kmkale so when we take Koha to them, the catalog is a noghtmare for them ;)
10:52 thd kmkale: Even in the US, public libraries often rely upon donations from wealthy benefactors to provide computers, buildings, etc.
10:52 kmkale s/noghtmare/nightmare/
10:52 kmkale thd: here too
10:53 kmkale but the money is totally inadequate
10:53 thd kmkale: You need wealthier benefactors.
10:53 kmkale :) we have lots of wealthy people. problem is they are not benefactors
10:54 thd kmkale: Indian libraries should apply for assistance from the Gates foundation.
10:54 kmkale thd: true. that will make the M$ tax useful
10:55 thd kmkale: The Gates foundation has bought computers for many US libraries even if they come with MS Windows that is better than no computers.
10:57 thd kmkale: Often the problem is merely knowing whom to ask. There may be other foundations interested in supporting libraries internationally with recycled computers without insisting on proprietary software as part of the gift.
10:57 kmkale our public libraries need to interact with librarians from abrod. They are totally blind as to the possibilities
10:57 thd kmkale: You might be able to obtain some business from awakening the blind.
10:57 kmkale how many librarians from India have you come across? And how many of these were from public libraries?
10:58 kmkale Typicall the public libraries are managed by trusts run by really old people who think computers are not needed to run a library.
10:59 kmkale they are only interested in maintening their fiefdom
10:59 thd kmkale: I have met many students from India an Packistan who were amongst my best customers in my former bookshop. Yet, I may never have met a librarian from India.
11:00 kmkale But yes this could be a good thing to take up. Funding for public libraries.
11:01 thd kmkale: Computers are not essential for basic library services. However, young people the world over ignore anything which is not accessible via computer.
11:02 kmkale thd: 100 yrs plus old libraries running on cardex. Dont know how many books and patrons they have. Forget about finding non popoualr books fast
11:02 thd kmkale: Computers are necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture.
11:03 kmkale IMHO computers are necessary in this day and age period.
11:04 kmkale Anyway. Gotta run. Another meeting coming up.
11:12 cirbic hello everybody
11:12 cirbic greetings from almeria, spain
11:14 hdl hi cirbic
11:18 cirbic I´m writing the migrating project of our library
11:18 cirbic and I´d like to write something about the development history of KOHA
11:18 cirbic wherer could I find something like that?
11:20 cirbic from 1999 when Katipo made the first installation
11:20 cirbic until now
11:20 cirbic I found something in Wikipedia, but I´d like to put something more
12:01 cirbic nobody can help me?¿
12:31 gmcharlt @quote random
12:31 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:20 PM, December 22, 2009)
12:32 druthb @quote random
12:32 huginn druthb: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 03:39 PM, March 04, 2010)
12:34 * chris_n is disappointed to see that KUDOS is looking for proposals from users rather than vendors and/or developers
12:36 druthb They give the appearance of being fairly-commited to not liking vendors and developers much, yes. I don't know if that's their intention, to appear that way, but it certainly doesn't encourage *me* to want to go.
13:08 * druthb gets out the Velcro for jwagner.
13:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9facc2612104d989e77de932f2a60bc9f3352c5c> / Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f9eec6920dc096f82f56b69046866a5ad45243b> / Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios <http://git.koha-c
13:09 jwagner Trying to figure out how to automate the identify nonsense, sigh. Got it working in Chatzilla but can't figure out how to do it in mIRC
13:10 * druthb goes "harrrumph!"
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13:13 * druthb waves to oleonard.
13:13 oleonard Hi all
13:15 * jwagner hands the velcro back to druthb
13:17 * druthb puts a big strip of "hooks" on her chair, and a matching piece of "loops" on her fanny.
13:24 jwagner One of my users found this message from 2008: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-March/013387.html
13:25 jwagner The problem reported there still seems to be in place, but I can't find a bugzilla entry. Does anyone recognize this one?
13:26 jwagner Fines aren't displaying in the fines column of the OPAC My Summary page -- they do show on the My Fines tab
13:29 chris_n I very vaguely remember some discussion about account types and hardcoding a very long time ago
13:29 chris_n a rather complicated mess to sort out iirc
13:30 jwagner I just looked at the code on current head, and it's reading the same way the 2008 message says. A test record with overdues accrued in fines.pl doesn't show that amount on the OPAC screen.
13:30 chris_n it definitely needs a bug if it does not have one
13:31 jwagner I couldn't find a bugzilla entry, but bugzilla and I don't seem to get along -- my searching skills don't match its entries :-(
13:31 chris_n you might search the irc log for discussion on it
13:34 jwagner not having much luck there, either.... Not my day for good search results.
13:34 jwagner I'll go ahead & create a bugzilla entry.
13:36 chris_n here's a bit of discussion about what they account types mean: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2006-12-03#i_141743
13:36 chris_n seems it is a bit of lore as to what they all mean
13:37 chris_n here's a bit of conversation which suggests they are hardcoded: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-07-10#i_272959
13:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #96: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/96/
13:38 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch
13:38 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug: 4263 - Repeatable subfields in items
13:38 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Bug 2341: items marked 'on order' not reserveable from search results
13:38 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5673: test guarantorid consistently
13:38 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined
13:38 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge
13:39 jwagner They're definitely hardcoded in the current scripts. I'm not sure of the implications of changing the scripts, though.
13:40 chris_n heh...
13:41 chris_n here's jwagner at a similar point with accouttypes: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-10-08#i_317863
13:41 chris_n last year
13:41 chris_n opp
13:41 chris_n brain's not awake yet
13:41 jwagner That jwagner is an inquisitive type...
13:42 jwagner This is a slightly different problem, though. I know (now) what the different accounttypes are, just not why the OPAC won't display them. See new Bug 5688
13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5688 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, OPAC My Summary tab fines column doesn't display accruing fines
13:43 chris_n bbl
13:52 tcohen pfff, wide character... error....
13:55 cirbic hello everyone
13:55 cirbic one question
13:56 cirbic which is the difference between www.koha-community.org and koha.org?
13:56 jcamins koha-community.org is the website for the Koha that we all know and love.
13:56 jcamins koha.org is not.
13:57 cirbic I live in spain
13:58 cirbic and there´s an official document
13:58 tcohen cirbic: hola
13:59 cirbic that literally says: "Liblime leads the Koha community"
13:59 cirbic is that right?
13:59 jcamins No.
13:59 cirbic tcohen: español?
13:59 tcohen si
13:59 tcohen liblime fue comprada por una empresa que se llama PTFS
14:13 jcamins DELETE FROM biblio WHERE biblionumber<118000 is a bad idea, isn't it?
14:16 jcamins Yes, it is.
14:16 tcohen jcamins: it depends :-D
14:18 jcamins tcohen: my goal is to do exactly that, but I think that particular command is very slow.
14:18 tcohen mm
14:18 tcohen perhaps you can copy the valid registers to a new table, truncate and copy back
14:19 tcohen (if you're using file per table on mysql, of course)
14:19 jcamins Well, I'll wait and see what happens.
14:26 jcamins Anyone know how to use IN to get all the numbers in a certain range in MySQL?
14:31 jcamins Never mind. I got it.
14:32 oleonard Yay, one of my oldest outstanding patches was pushed. Bug 3319
14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Need a nicer error message when attempting to add a patron with no libraries defined
14:38 jcamins 1301Undefined subroutine &MARC::Record::carp called at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Record.pm line 565.
14:41 jcamins Does rebuild_zebra not work if you have more than 1000 records to index?
14:42 jcamins That doesn't seem quite right, somewhow.
14:48 tcohen jcamins: we have more than 60K in one library here
14:51 jcamins tcohen: I know.
14:51 jcamins I'm working with a catalog of 160k.
14:51 jcamins But rebuild_zebra only reports indexing 1000 records from the zebraqueue.
14:52 tcohen ahh, zebraqueue stuff
14:56 wizzyrea hm no brooke.
14:57 jcamins I never thought I'd say this, but... maybe SOLR is a good idea.
14:59 wizzyrea !! no sekjal!
14:59 * wizzyrea cries a little
15:02 * jcamins comforts wizzyrea... I think sekjal is out demoing Koha today.
15:03 wizzyrea oooh cool
15:03 wizzyrea well I can let him do that I guess :)
15:03 * wizzyrea had a kudos question for him
15:13 oleonard So much for my advice not to install Koha 2.2.9 on Windows...
15:14 jcamins oleonard: ?
15:14 oleonard On the Koha list
15:14 jcamins I remember your message, but was there a further response?
15:14 jcamins I don't see anything.
15:18 kf jwagner: fines2.pl does not exist in current Koha - sould be fines.pl (reading your bug 5688)
15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5688 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, OPAC My Summary tab fines column doesn't display accruing fines
15:18 oleonard It must have come to me first
15:19 jwagner kf, sorry, didn't clean up that bit. I was looking at fines.pl on current head this morning.
15:20 kf ah ok, reading back now
15:20 kf didn't see the discussion aroudn that before
15:27 jwagner kf, if you have a patron record with overdue fines, I'd like it if you could doublecheck the problem. The code doesn't look to have changed, but my test server setup isn't always reliable on the patron data.
15:42 briceSanc is it the new irc ?
15:43 wizzyrea yep :)
15:43 briceSanc cool, so : hello all !
15:43 briceSanc what's wrong with the old irc ?
15:43 wizzyrea the contact we had at the company that was hosting the IRC doesn't work there anymore
15:44 wizzyrea so we had no "hands on the ground" when it went down
15:44 briceSanc ok, i understand
15:44 fcapo So that's why nobody was responding when I was talking on that other IRC :P
15:44 wizzyrea :) yep
15:45 * oleonard didn't even know it was back up
15:47 fcapo Anyways, to repeat what I trid to say on the old IRC: I think I found what caused my "Some search results appear as 'No title' when Zebra is rebuilt with marcxml" problem I had.
15:48 fcapo Some of my biblios had 00 at position 20 and 21 of their leader, which made zebra return invalid usmarc records
15:48 fcapo See http://www.itsmarc.com/crs/Bib1486.htm
15:49 fcapo It should always be 45. any other value seems to make the item not appear correctly in search results when zebra is indexed using marcxml or when using zebraqueue
15:50 jcamins fcapo: but the records showed up correctly when you indexed without -x?
15:50 fcapo yes
15:51 fcapo because the usmarc record in the marc column of biblioitems seems to always have these leader values set to 45
15:52 fcapo but the marcxml columns is kept as is
15:53 jcamins Oh, I see.
15:53 jcamins Interesting.
15:53 fcapo I'll just copy what I tried to say on the old IRC, it will be easier :
15:54 fcapo So when I index using rebuild_zebra.pl -x, the marcxml column with the incorrect leader values is sent to zebra, but when the search results are send back to koha, they are converted to usmarc. With the leader now incorrect, invalid marc records are returned.
15:54 fcapo Still, I find it strange that when the search results are converted from marcxml to usmarc, these leader values weren't automatically set to 45 since they are supposed to be system-generated...
16:03 fcapo I still don't know if it was the ZOOM library or Zebra itself that made the conversion to usmarc. It might be a bug in one of those.
16:10 rangi i dont think its a bug in those
16:10 rangi zebra should not change what you tell it to index
16:10 rangi if you send it an invalid record to index
16:10 rangi thats the problem
16:10 rangi we should fix our marcxml
16:16 rangi fcapo: the system that should be generating them is koha, zebra is an indexing engine, it shouldnt change values, just index them and return them
16:17 jcamins fcapo: this isn't the problem you were running into, but see bug 5683
16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records
16:17 jcamins We haven't had the most strenuous of checks in the past.
16:17 jcamins (and still don't... just as soon as I figure out how to write tests for that sort of thing I will)
16:18 rangi jcamins: naw, its the leader in the marcxml is wrong
16:18 rangi but it will be somethign we (koha) are doing
16:18 rangi most likely letting people save invalid leaders :)
16:18 jcamins rangi: I know. I was using that to point out that Koha will happily save invalid MARCXML.
16:18 rangi *nod*
16:24 fcapo Well, marcxml doesn't really need these leader informations anyways. The problem just happens when we return those records as usmarc without changing the leader.
16:24 rangi marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml
16:25 rangi it should be roundtrippable and remain the same
16:25 rangi converting from one to the other, should not change the values
16:26 fcapo true
16:26 rangi so i think we have to fix koha, to not save an invalid leader (for this case at least)
16:27 fcapo anyways, thanks for the feedbacks, as a temporary fix, I'll modify my importation scripts so 45 gets forced in leader positions 20 and 21 :P
16:28 rangi my @warnings = $record->warnings();
16:28 rangi might be worth looking at what that contains
16:28 fcapo Just hoping none of my users will set an incorrect leader manually when creating new records :P
16:29 rangi yup, thats what i mean, we should at least attempt to catch that
16:29 rangi :)
16:49 druthb jcamins++
16:55 druthb @karma jcamins
16:55 huginn druthb: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 45 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 44.
17:13 jcamins rangi: any idea how to get a sum of payments from the statistics table?
17:14 jcamins Wait.
17:14 jcamins statistics.value is a double.
17:14 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why won't it work?
17:14 wizzyrea uhoh did we just witness jcamins having a meltdown?
17:15 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but don't worry.
17:15 jcamins This was only my third today. :)
17:15 wizzyrea O.O
17:16 druthb he's having a rough day.
17:16 druthb Working for an ILS vendor would be a lot more fun, except for these darn squirrely customers. ;-)
17:18 jcamins Apparently 10+10+10+10+10+15 == 1430.
17:18 wizzyrea !
17:18 druthb for a suitably-large value of fifteen, yes.
17:18 rangi heh
17:19 rangi you just did a select sum() eh?
17:20 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Troublesome query" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/137
17:21 jcamins Huh.
17:21 jcamins When I take out accoutlines it works.
17:22 jcamins *accountlines
17:23 kf I have a report fines per borrower somewhere.... would that help something?
17:25 jcamins kf: I'm able to get the sum of fines outstanding, the difficulty is going to be getting the sum of payments PLUS the sum of additional fines.
17:26 jcamins (from a particular time period)
17:26 rangi oh yeah, that query wont work jcamins
17:26 jcamins rangi: I noticed. :(
17:26 jcamins My VM made a lovely keening noise when I tried, though. ;)
17:26 rangi left join
17:26 rangi you dont want that
17:26 jcamins Ohhh.
17:27 rangi you understand the difference with joins?
17:27 kf ah
17:27 jcamins Yes.
17:27 druthb rangi++
17:27 rangi cool, so ill say no more :)
17:27 kf probably need a union?
17:27 rangi or a straight join
17:27 kf so one side in both tables can be null?
17:28 rangi thats what a left join does
17:28 rangi it might be even easier to do it as a subquery
17:28 kf I normally do that, I always confuse the joins
17:29 rangi it might be just me, but i think as mohan didnt show for the meeting, its a bit late to be asking to change the way the voting works
17:30 kf no, it's not you
17:30 kf and I don't think we should change it
17:30 kf it has already started and it would be confusing
17:30 jcamins I agree.
17:31 jcamins You're right, incidentally. Subquery would be better.
17:31 kf I didn't understand all of his mail - what was the part about vote by country not institution?
17:31 jcamins I have put it on my to-do list, for some other time.
17:32 rangi kf: he wants it weighted presumably so that people from some countries votes count for more than others
17:32 druthb madness.
17:33 rangi i think its an overreaction to the fact that lots of ppl in india will vote for it in india
17:33 rangi which is ummm kinda the point
17:33 rangi its not like its gonna be india every year
17:34 * druthb had some potential concerns about India, but those have been dealt with. India will be a serious pain to get to for me, but it's do-able, I think.
17:34 kf I really hope it's getting nearer sometime soon
17:34 kf and cheaper
17:34 rangi its quite easy to make a rule, cant be the same country within 3 years
17:34 rangi or something
17:34 kf there are a lot of countries far away from here :P
17:34 rangi if there is a real worry taht every year the most populous nations will win
17:35 kf I still support UK, but don't really see it happening
17:35 rangi kf: bah, try nz .. everyhing is far away from here :)
17:35 * druthb suggests that kf put in a bid for Konstanz next year.
17:35 jcamins :D
17:35 jcamins konstanz++
17:35 jcamins kf++
17:35 druthb see? Already have two supporters!
17:35 kf yeah, you would like that
17:35 kf but who is going to organise it?
17:35 * druthb points at jcamins.
17:35 jcamins taking_the_afternoon_off_before_I_go_crazier++
17:35 rangi i think that once kohacon11 is decided, people should reall y think about 2012
17:35 * jcamins recuses himself - no German
17:35 wizzyrea agreed, we should be working 2 years out I think
17:36 rangi yup, it takes a while to organise
17:36 * druthb thinks of locations in the US...some really nice--and inexpensive--places can be had.
17:36 wizzyrea like forming the next release team before the current one is through :P
17:36 rangi its on the agenda
17:36 rangi next meeting
17:37 rangi ppl not there cant complain :-)
17:37 wizzyrea I know, i mean it's exactly like that :)
17:37 rangi hi indradg
17:37 kf not sure Konstanz is good travel wise
17:38 kf Zürich (Sitzerland) is the next airport
17:38 kf Stuttgart is about 2,5 hours by train
17:38 rangi id suggest switzerland
17:38 rangi if it wasnt so expensive
17:38 * druthb held a conference in Abilene, TX once; that was *hard*, as air service there is rare and of low quality.
17:38 kf although I would love it to have you all here
17:38 kf :)
17:38 indradg rangi, hey
17:39 * jcamins_away will leave y'all to plot and plan KohaCon 2012.
17:39 druthb ended up sending a university van to DFW to pick up a bunch of folks.
17:39 jcamins_away Have a good afternoon, #koha
17:39 druthb see ya, jcamins!
17:39 * wizzyrea would love to take a train for 2 hours to konstantz
17:39 kf kohacon + 1 month hackfest....
17:39 rangi i was very greatful schuster picked me and the biblibrans up at the airport
17:39 rangi hehe
17:39 rangi kf: i was thinking
17:39 kf wizzyrea: only 1 from zürich :)
17:39 druthb I'm with you on that, wizzyrea.
17:39 kf I flew from zürich to nz
17:39 rangi hackfests dont have to wait for kohacon
17:40 rangi we should do more regional ones
17:40 wizzyrea agreed, we should do things like wp does with the wordcamp
17:40 wizzyrea and have kohacamps
17:40 druthb hackfest_at_ALA++; hackfest_at_Access++
17:40 kf rangi: I am all for hackfests - but I am a bit lonely here..
17:40 rangi well france isnt that far, nor the uk
17:40 rangi take turns hosting :)
17:41 druthb I'd suggest one at computers in libraries, if I knew anyone was gonna be here besides me and nengard. :P
17:41 rangi how far is portugal?
17:42 kf rangi: in km?
17:43 rangi yeah, is a train feasible?
17:43 rangi and poland?
17:43 kf per train not really, poland yes
17:43 rangi you are kinda in the middle
17:43 rangi make everyone in europe come visit you :)
17:43 kf hehe
17:44 * druthb would *hitchhike* if necessary, to get to Konstanz.
17:44 rangi but i do think regional camps (unconference style)
17:44 rangi are a good idea
17:44 kf I hoped to organise a workshop this year
17:45 kf but march will be crazy
17:45 kf or until march, it already is
17:45 rangi yeah
17:45 rangi you need a kristina :)
17:45 kf hehe
17:46 kf yeah, some help with organisational stuff would be good
17:46 rangi what would be good, would be for someone to do a kohacamp
17:46 rangi and document the process
17:47 rangi then it could be a blueprint for running others
17:47 wizzyrea a la TED
17:47 rangi yep
17:47 wizzyrea ok, afk
17:47 rangi or ignite even
17:47 kf TED?
17:47 * druthb wonders if anyone would come to Kohacamp in DC...
17:48 rangi oh you havent heard of TED?
17:48 druthb (only the insane.)
17:48 rangi or ignite evenhttp://www.ted.com/
17:48 rangi gah
17:48 rangi http://www.ted.com/
17:48 oleonard druthb: I would!
17:48 rangi dc has the advantage of everywhere flies there
17:49 druthb oleonard: I can probably wheedle sekjal into coming down, too....find two more who'd commit, and I'll do it...someplace *cheap*.
17:50 rangi druthb: be good if could get gmcharlt
17:50 rangi and atz
17:50 rangi and maybe the osslabs
17:50 oleonard atz and I can carpool
17:51 druthb :) I'll find a reasonably inexpensive hotel with a meeting room and wi-fi...really, that's about all the setup we'd need, logistically. Local guides, I have and am, and an "un" con is free from too much schedule.
17:52 rangi yep
17:52 kf *sighs*
17:53 kf I am the last person in this office - really time to go home
17:53 kf see you all later
17:53 druthb see ya, kf.
17:55 rangi cya kf
17:55 druthb conferece center a short walk from my place--and across the street from the Metro--is 109/129/149 for guest rooms. That's not too shabby.
17:55 druthb (for here.)
17:56 rangi we should organise evening hackfests for ala too
17:56 druthb yes!
18:00 rangi not sure ill make kohacon this year, so hackfests at ala and access would be good
18:04 rangi tcohen: url for the comment?
18:04 tcohen http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
18:06 rangi ahh liz's comment is good, theone below it eh?
18:07 tcohen right, liz's link is broken but I guess harmless
18:07 rangi its more the text is right
18:07 rangi ie, dont use it :)
18:07 tcohen of course. it's liz commenting :-D
19:26 rangi back
19:29 * cait waves
19:29 rangi heya cait
19:37 * jwagner is tired of wrestling with jquery :-(
19:37 oleonard-away jwagner: Tell 'em it's fine the way it is ;)
19:38 jwagner Ya know, I _tried_ that!
19:38 wizzyrea oh ya that was before the wiki moved
19:38 wizzyrea backscroll
19:38 jwagner Speaking of jquery, will it still work with the new templating system?
19:38 oleonard jquery is client side, so it doesn't have anything to do with the templating system
19:39 jwagner So the codes/divs/whatever we look for might change, but the functionality would be there.
19:39 oleonard The HTML structure shouldn't change at all
19:39 jwagner Good. Thanks.
19:40 wizzyrea oh ya I'll delete or mod that comment
19:40 wizzyrea un moment
19:45 wizzyrea there we go, comments updated (bad links removed)
19:45 mtj yes, but is teh free?
19:46 rangi ?
19:46 * mtj favourite comment…. :)
19:46 wizzyrea :) I like that one too
19:49 rangi ahh right
19:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_5462_signoff' of git://github.com/colinsc/koha into new/enh/bug_5462 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b5aa120d71ebc7c3db7fb2177d360df03d5ed35> / Bug 5462: fixed current preferences tab highlighting bug created by dashfix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0088c5da53a56f44ec435f88a56b67ae99616a4d> / Bug 5462: more dash fixing for variable names
19:57 rangi oh man
19:57 rangi that sux
19:58 wizzyrea yea, foxton?
19:58 rangi http://twitter.com/#!/jransom/status/33252548018176000
19:58 wizzyrea such a bummer
19:58 hudsonbot Starting build 340 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
19:59 wizzyrea we had a library literally cleaned out a month or so ago
19:59 wizzyrea they stole 6 computers and all of the networking gear
20:02 ibeardslee that's a sad state of society
20:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #340: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/340/
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed dashes (replaced with _) and fullstops (removed) for variable names
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed incorrect TMPL_IF
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: both intranet and opac seem to be 'clean', still need to make relevant changes in scripts
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: modified intranet scripts to match templates
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: more dash fixing for variable names within scripts
20:23 hudsonbot * Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed current preferences tab highlighting bug created by dashfix
20:24 rangi yay!
20:24 wizzyrea woot
20:24 wizzyrea !
20:55 oleonard Wow, 139 "patch pushed" bugs still open
20:55 * sekjal runs
20:56 rangi yeah we need to have a good go at those, plus the ones needing signoff
21:02 oleonard rangi: If you have merged a new/bug_* branch you delete it?
21:04 rangi i do locally, not in the main repo
21:04 rangi the only ones i delete are the needing qa ones
21:04 rangi when they are qa, and moved into a real branch
21:04 rangi the reason i dont is so a can do this
21:04 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary
21:04 rangi see all the bug names
21:05 rangi in the shortlog
21:05 rangi they are all links
21:05 rangi so if i ever need to pull commits out
21:05 rangi because they are discovered to have a bug, and we release next week
21:05 rangi for example
21:05 rangi i can find them easy
21:05 rangi if i delete the branche
21:05 rangi s
21:06 rangi i have to rely on ppl naming their patches right .. and that doesnt always happen
21:06 rangi that make sense?
21:06 oleonard Yes
21:07 oleonard I have to say I keep getting confused by the "patch pushed" status because sometimes it means pushed to a branch, sometimes pushed to master
21:07 rangi right lemme make a new status then
21:07 rangi 2 secs
21:07 rangi no sense being confused if we dont need to be
21:09 rangi shall we leave patch pushed as meaning pushed to master
21:10 oleonard that's how I interpreted it before
21:10 rangi right
21:10 rangi Pushed for QA
21:10 rangi how about that?
21:10 wahanui1 that is, like, a risk you have to take... ;-)
21:11 oleonard Sound good to me
21:11 rangi right will do
21:11 oleonard wahanui1 is onboard I think
21:11 rangi done
21:12 oleonard Okay, for a bug like Bug 5277 which has been pushed for QA, what action is being awaited?
21:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5277 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, mason, ASSIGNED, cant search by barcode in OPAC search-page
21:12 oleonard Another signoff? A comment saying "works?"
21:13 rangi A comment saying works and set it to signed off again would make me spot it
21:16 oleonard That's it for me, see y'all in 16 hours
21:51 wizzyrea oh we stil have the notices and the messaging tab
21:52 wizzyrea still*
21:52 wizzyrea on the messaging
21:55 rangi hi brendan__
21:56 wizzyrea hey brendan_
21:56 wizzyrea ___
21:57 wizzyrea welcome to the new digs ;)
21:59 brendan__ hey thanks :)
22:03 wizzyrea I'm digging the underscore look
22:03 wizzyrea very fashionable
22:08 rangi heh
22:08 rangi its a bywater thing
22:09 brendan__ heh - I think it's this new channel being a pain ;)
22:09 _____r_a_n_g_i_______ try typing that right :)
22:09 rangi i suspect its cos your nicks are in use
22:09 brendan__ ____r_a_n_g_i_____
22:09 rangi :)
22:09 brendan__ yeah that's it ;)
22:15 * ibeardslee doesn't complain, he now has all his 'e's
22:15 sijobl ibeardslee: that was a debianism
22:16 sijobl on the old server
22:16 sijobl for some reason they'd compiled the ircd with nick length restrictions
22:16 sijobl and chris couldn't be convinced to recompile it :-)
22:24 rangi it's true :)
22:31 chris_n are local sysprefs handled by systempreferences.pl or is that a bug?
22:31 rangi nope thats by design
22:33 chris_n seems half-baked
22:33 rangi its because the new preferences relies on a .pref file
22:33 rangi local ones dont exist in there
22:41 wizzyrea rangi did the "fines limit override" ever get into koha?
22:41 wizzyrea it was wayyyy back in 2009
22:41 wizzyrea something pianohacker did
22:41 rangi pass
22:41 wizzyrea hmm
22:41 wizzyrea gmcharlt?
22:41 wahanui1 it has been said that gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
22:41 rangi git log
22:41 wizzyrea truf
22:41 rangi then /limit override
22:41 rangi maybe
22:41 rangi ill look
22:42 rangi gmcharlt is at a conference
22:42 rangi did it have a bug number?
22:42 wizzyrea i'm poking too
22:42 wizzyrea i'm looking at the IRC logs
22:42 wizzyrea lemme see if I can find a bug for it
22:42 wizzyrea http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-08-28#i_292455
22:43 wizzyrea this was the conversation
22:44 wizzyrea well
22:44 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 but that's a harley thing
22:44 huginn 04Bug 3496: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Override maximum fine at checkout
22:45 rangi well he did say for ptfs
22:45 rangi I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon
22:46 rangi gotta admire the kids optimism
22:46 rangi so probably something that needs to be cherry-picked from the old harley git repo
22:47 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/Bug3496
22:47 rangi in there somewhere
22:47 wizzyrea oh I see.
22:47 wizzyrea hrm
22:47 wizzyrea I see what happened here.
22:48 * wizzyrea gets annoyed
22:48 * wizzyrea gets over it
22:48 rangi yeah i cant find it
22:49 rangi presumably its in there somewhere
22:57 * chris_n has QA fun for a bit
22:58 rangi thank you
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