Time Nick Message 23:45 hdl you are welcome 23:45 mtj hdl: just doing some testing now, thank you! 23:37 * rangi will bbiab 23:36 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=5574&hide_resolved=1 23:36 rangi i really like this 23:35 hdl mtj: depending on systempreference, ccode is just another name for itype or itemtype 23:34 mtj i have problem with ccode, not itype - but i think the problem is the same :) 23:33 mtj hdl: ok, very nice! 23:32 hdl in bugzilla 23:32 hdl here is my commit # on master e62d328c253e51c03722326325898c935067dbfe and bug number assigned is 4049 23:30 hdl I have phr in my code but it is not enough... Problem is that icu doesn't care about complete subfield. 23:29 hdl ccl =>qq($itype_or_itemtype,ext), 23:29 wahanui hdl: that doesn't look right 23:29 hdl change ccl=>$itype_or_itemtype to 23:29 hdl Then line 168 and 183 on master opac/opac-search.pl 23:28 * mtj greps for 'ext' in HEAD 23:28 hdl mtj: add p to your ccodes definition. 23:24 hdl was fixed in 3.0 irrc 23:24 mtj yep, i will 23:24 rangi then you can sign off the patch and add to that 23:23 rangi be perfect if you made a bug mtj 23:23 * mtj hugs hdl 23:23 mtj ok 23:23 hdl will find the patch for you 23:23 mtj any info for me? 23:23 hdl But you have to use ext 23:23 hdl yes... having ccode with p helps... 23:23 mtj aaah! 23:23 mtj hdl: sorry bbiab, busy now.…. 23:23 hdl oh.... mtj we already worked on that... 23:21 mtj mtj that 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... 23:21 mtj http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-02-02#i_593762 23:20 hdl will look the logs 23:20 mtj hdl: read your scrollback? 23:16 hdl mtj: namely ? 23:15 * chris_n goes off to bottle more honey 23:13 rangi nope 23:13 chris_n there were several nick changes which had to take place I think 23:12 sijobl although I see chris doesn't get to be chris anymore 23:12 chris_n we're trying to spruce it up a bit :) 23:11 chris_n lol 23:11 sijobl nice digs you have here 23:11 * sijobl looks around the room 23:11 sijobl hiya 23:11 * chris_n greets si 23:10 mtj my ccode limit bug probably exists in koha with unimarc too, i think 23:10 mtj hdl: yeah, that was my guess, too 23:09 hdl mtj: we defined it twice to be able to index ccode at biblio level (for biblios which donot have any item, could be important) 22:58 mtj cheers, i'll get there! 22:58 jcamins_away Good night (again), #koha 22:58 jcamins_away I'm going to call it a (much-needed) night. 22:57 jcamins_away Good luck. 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 995$h ccode,item 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w 22:55 mtj mason@xen1:~/g/head/etc$ grep -ir ccode ./* 22:55 mtj hmm, its defined twice in the unimarc file. 22:53 mtj fy: the unimarc ccode is defined with a ccode:w, the marc21 is not in record.abs (for the log) 22:52 mtj well, my example koha has MATAHIX and MATAHI_X items, both are returned on a MATAHI limit 22:50 mtj tries rebuilding with 'ccode:n,ccode: p' 22:49 mtj yet i get 952$8= MATAHIX results returned :/ 22:48 mtj 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios OK 609 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 MATAHI 22:48 mtj 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01`\x01\x02)(MATAHI) 22:48 jcamins_away Because I think (possibly with no basis) that w would parse that example you gave as two different words. 22:48 mtj fyI: the call to zebrasrv looks sane.. 22:47 jcamins_away That's what I'd think. 22:47 mtj i *think* i want the 'p' , not the 'w' ? 22:47 mtj complete field' (@attr 6=3) Phrase ('p') Character normalized, but not tokenized index for phrase matches 22:46 mtj Incomplete field (@attr 6=1) Word ('w') Traditional tokenized and character normalized word index 22:46 mtj http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html#querymodel-pqf-apt-mapping-accesspoint 22:46 jcamins_away mtj: I can't claim to understand any of that. 22:45 mtj Incomplete field (@attr 6=1) Word ('w') 22:45 mtj from the zebra-doc... 22:44 mtj pass, i dont really understand the diff. only that it wont work as *i* want it too 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode: p 22:43 mtj but not... 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode: p 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:p 22:42 mtj including ... 22:42 mtj fyi: ive tried most variants 22:42 jcamins_away Yeah. 22:42 mtj yeah, poss.. 22:42 mtj ccode: p ? 22:42 mtj but after a zeb-rebuild, and zebserv restart, still the same results :/ 22:41 jcamins_away mtj: don't you also need ccode:p? 22:41 mtj copying from other examples, etc… 22:41 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode:w 22:41 mtj to 22:41 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 22:40 mtj ive modded it from... 22:40 mtj im sure its a bug in the /marc21/record.abs file... 22:40 mtj the quick fix for the mo, is to rename that specific ccode 22:39 mtj so a search on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI), brings up results from MATAHI_XXX ccodes 22:39 rangi C4::Search does some mental things 22:39 jcamins_away Weird. 22:39 jcamins_away Truncation on CCODE? 22:38 mtj well, briefly… its to do with a search limiting on CCODE , doing right-wildcard stuff 22:37 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot bug 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: forget bug 22:37 wahanui bug is probably fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: bug? 22:37 wahanui jcamins_away, I didn't have anything matching what bug 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: forget what bug 22:37 wahanui bug is, like, fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied 22:37 jcamins_away mtj: what bug? 22:37 mtj i'm gonna have to bugzilla it 22:36 mtj that 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... 22:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs 22:36 hudsonbot * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order 22:36 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies 22:36 hudsonbot * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records 22:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #95: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/95/ 22:16 darling131 that makes me very happy -- no longer living the lie that I'm useful to Koha workings 22:16 rangi heh 22:15 darling !! 22:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e97507fc16270f3eaaf0315059fd2680e7b74cf> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9cbf98a0199387f57863422c06cd6cf8cebd4e0> / Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit 22:13 hudsonbot Starting build 95 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:10 rangi darling: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c269dfdeb49ac45d492edde5b1ad1f67d01aff65 22:03 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs 22:03 hudsonbot * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order 22:03 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #334: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/334/ 21:38 hudsonbot Starting build 334 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:38 hudsonbot Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies 21:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #333: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/333/ 21:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c269dfdeb49ac45d492edde5b1ad1f67d01aff65> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=079796ed189541a0f04126c97e97cad50fb18783> 21:17 * oleonard will have to leave more for tomorrow 21:16 rangi oh cool 21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5532 enhancement, P5, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED, "Saved" message for sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs 21:16 * oleonard has some success on Bug 5532 21:16 rangi another new developer yay! 21:15 rangi ta 21:15 rangi heh 21:14 oleonard Before you had 1 too few, now you have 1 too many. 21:13 hudsonbot Starting build 333 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:13 * oleonard looks around for a spare -s 21:13 oleonard Hm, sent but I think without my signoff :| 21:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f7bcdcbae336d7cceb71b60f77a8ba2249b0f54> 21:11 rangi when you get a chance that would be cool 21:11 rangi cool im not going mad :) 21:10 oleonard Hm, I must have forgotten to send it 21:10 rangi you signed off on .. i cant seem to find the signed off patch 21:09 huginn 04Bug 5661: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, Authority search return an "Error 500" when "Sort by" is set to "No order" 21:09 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5661 21:09 oleonard For a few more minutes 21:09 rangi oleonard: are you around? 21:07 hudsonbot Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records 21:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #332: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/332/ 20:47 chris_n heavy, even 20:46 chris_n is it me or does java support really stink in FF.... this browser crashes repeatedly under havey JS loads 20:43 hudsonbot Starting build 332 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 20:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=428556cd130db0cfcffd6fe081f32dc1218a904f> 20:41 rangi my plan was 5574, then 5575 20:40 hdl It DOES. 20:40 rangi i think ti would improve circulation a lot 20:40 rangi ah yes, 5579 is one i would like to see tested and integrated 20:40 hdl 5579 could be good for community... But we never deployed that. 20:39 hdl not at all. 20:39 rangi and come back to 5574 when i have done it 20:39 rangi i can switch to 5579 if you want 20:39 * druthb waves. 20:39 rangi im currently working through 5574 making component bugs 20:39 huginn 04Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 20:39 hdl http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 20:38 rangi does it have a bug number? 20:38 hdl First i agree that we must focus on the other branches... 20:38 rangi not as far as i know 20:37 hdl rangi: any chance someone tested the remove_items branch ? 20:34 cait thx :) 20:34 rangi sleep well 20:33 cait good night all 20:33 cait time to sleep :) 20:22 cait now it works 20:22 cait created a new branch 20:22 cait something went wrong with my rebase 20:21 rangi cya :) 20:20 hdl Going behind a closed vpn see you soon 20:20 hdl thx. 20:20 cait my git status shows like a zillion new files 20:19 rangi unit test ftw :-) 20:19 huginn 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values 20:19 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5681#c2 20:19 huginn 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values 20:19 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5681 <-- ill be pushing today 20:18 rangi that will grow as i work through it 20:18 rangi see the depends on list there 20:18 huginn 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements 20:18 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 20:18 wahanui which is totally fine 20:18 hdl which ? 20:17 rangi hdl: 3 patches rebased .. 1 signed off already .. :) 20:17 cait I think I made a mistake 20:17 cait yeah 20:16 oleonard cait: I fetched and rebased and don't have any new errors 20:14 hdl hi all 20:14 cait hi hdl 20:14 rangi hi hdl 20:13 * Brooke_ waves to hdl 20:12 cait and a lot more like that 20:12 cait Global symbol "$theme" requires explicit package name at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 55 20:11 cait search worked for me yesterday 20:10 * oleonard can't even get to the search results because of an error 20:09 cait the url end biblionumber= 20:09 cait look at the search results in staf and klick on a title 20:09 oleonard I'm looking at the (already documented) problem with moremember.pl 20:09 oleonard Missing bits of a url? 20:08 rangi as we find them, we adjust the conversion script to do the right thing 20:08 cait chris hall sent mail, saying he had fixed some things - so I did 20:08 rangi so look for things like missing bits of a url, then look in the template and see what the variable is, chances are its in the wrong scope 20:07 rangi oleonard: yes, a variable that is set in the template in the wrong scope (template toolkit cares about scope, html::template doesnt) 20:07 oleonard cait: I haven't fetched and rebased since ~24 hours ago 20:07 cait I get a lot of global symbol perl errors after rebasing 20:07 slef cait: the colleague who pinned the translations to my office door was German. Maybe you are more sceptical? ;-) 20:07 cait oleanord - does the branch work for you? 20:06 cait and almost always meant I had no idea how he came from step 1 to step 3 20:06 oleonard rangi: Is there a most likely cause for problems with the Template toolkit test? Somewhere to start looking when something isn't working? 20:06 cait I came across that one in my math book 20:06 cait oh 20:06 slef web searching just finds tons of lectures :) 20:05 slef An alternative thing I'd like to find is the list of translations of common maths lecture terms, like "trivially = I forget how to prove this but I'm sure it's obvious" 20:05 druthb Hmm...only one I know of is "A professor is someone who talks in somone else's sleep" --W. H. Auden. 20:05 cait nope 20:05 rangi hmmm nope 20:04 slef anyone know it? 20:04 slef there's a quote along the lines of "a professor is just someone who has enough time to look up the answer" but I can't find it or remember the exact wording 20:03 cait hi slef 20:03 slef help #koha! 20:03 rangi sounds like a typo to me 20:03 cait just thought you might have an idea 20:02 rangi ill tell chrish when he gets in 20:02 cait chris = rangi 20:02 cait al saying something about global symbol 20:02 cait now I have like pages full of perl errors 20:02 cait rebased the template_test branch 20:01 cait chris 20:00 cait ok 20:00 rangi yeah, ill try and get davi to do it 19:56 cait ok, so better leave it? 19:54 rangi its a pod change, perfect learning patch 19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5682 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, POD in C4::Charset was wrong 19:54 rangi bug 5682 19:54 cait or ask davi 19:54 cait leave me a message 19:54 cait i can do it tomorrow if noone wants to learn 19:53 * rangi hopes are dashed 19:53 rangi no one wants to learn how to sign off 19:52 cait rangi: yeah, but know i will probably remember who mtj is :) 19:51 * rangi made some of that up 19:51 jwagner I'm going to call it a day...see you all later. 19:51 cait hm ok 19:49 rangi mason the awesome james 19:49 cait mtj is an abbreviation for? :) 19:49 rangi someone wanna sign off a really easy patch .. who wants to learn signing off? 19:47 mtj oleonard++, will do 19:47 mtj yeah, i got over novelty of having a huuuuge nick, and optimised 19:46 rangi oh good point 19:46 oleonard-away Time to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 19:45 rangi i missed the nick change 19:45 rangi ahhh 19:45 mtj mason 19:44 rangi /whois mtj ? 19:44 mtj ok, time to catch a train... 19:44 rangi *grin* 19:44 mtj gotta be careful checking your arss feed 19:43 rangi :) 19:43 rangi d 19:43 rangi gotta be careful checking your rss fee 19:43 ibeardslee .. 19:43 rangi oh and some playboy model has koha in their name too 19:42 rangi stuff out of the flow too :) 19:42 rangi and club koha in florida 19:42 mtj heh, point taken ;) 19:42 rangi #kohails seems a fine one to use, it will get all the koharu kosumi 19:42 rangi you cant own a hashtag 19:41 rangi im not sure thats how twitter works mtj :) 19:41 rangi koha ditore is a paper that has been around for ages 19:41 mtj … they were using the #koha tag before us? 19:40 rangi they have had the name koha longer than the project has 19:40 rangi to be fair 19:39 jcamins Okay, time to run to my meeting. 19:38 mtj meh, looks like koha.net discovered 1/ twitter, 2/ spamming 19:37 rangi mtj: me too 19:37 jcamins I've never had a production system that was only partially corrupted before. 19:36 mtj ive only ever used -r or -z 19:36 jcamins -azerty Refuse to understand the standard API 19:36 cait I think Fast Index means first time in this case , but probably a warning sould be added? 19:36 jcamins -qwerty Destroy the world as we know it 19:35 mtj Registers in the Zebra manual). 19:35 rangi so yeah, if you run just -b without the -r .. unless its the first time you have run it, its just gonna add the same stuff twice 19:35 mtj -n Disable the use of shadow registers for this operation (see Shadow 19:35 mtj oops, there it is... 19:34 rangi ie, change the live files 19:34 rangi it means dont use the shadow files 19:34 jcamins Golly, whatever will they think of next? 19:34 jcamins Zebra? Undocumented? 19:34 mtj which looks like an undocumented zebraidx arg ? 19:34 jcamins I went with the unelegant but effective way: added a whole slew of entries to zebraqueue. 19:33 rangi i think without -r you will make a mess, duplicate records 19:32 rangi yep 19:32 mtj -n is noshadow 19:32 mtj -w passes -n to zebraidx 19:31 * rangi is reading the code 19:29 rangi and without a z or r thats still doing nothing 19:28 rangi unless you really really have to 19:28 rangi yeah you dont want to use -w 19:28 cait the first line was from the debian file 19:28 ibeardslee jwagner: let me check that I still have the physical tape lying around still 19:28 jcamins No, I think the Lucid manual might also be right. 19:28 jcamins Okay, fine, I'll just add all the records to zebraqueue. 19:28 cait ? 19:28 rangi patch that sucker 19:27 cait 289 $ misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w 19:27 cait hm, but lucid install manual states: 288 7.2 Fast Index: 19:27 rangi mtj is right :) 19:27 cait rangi: you are right, manual says <path/to/koha>/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a 19:26 rangi since it uses the shadow, the index stays useful, until the commit at the end 19:26 rangi reset + rebuild 19:26 jcamins Apparently. 19:26 jwagner ibeardslee, I converted all my LPs and cassettes to digital format a few years ago -- I have that album if you want the files. 19:25 jcamins -r is actually reset. 19:25 rangi without either .. its not gonna do anything 19:25 rangi -r rebuild, -z use queue 19:25 cait no idea 19:25 rangi cait: what would it do? 19:25 mtj you must use -r or -z 19:24 cait ? 19:24 ibeardslee jwagner: that reminds I need to find that John Fogerty album .. the tape died a couple of years back 19:24 cait so it should do somehting without r and z 19:24 cait I think the manual states a b w 19:24 rangi id check with -v to be sure 19:24 rangi yeah it 'says' that 19:24 mtj yep 19:23 jcamins It says it's reindexing. 19:23 rangi try it with -v and ull find out 19:23 jcamins Drat. 19:23 rangi without either -r or -z 19:23 jcamins Oh. 19:23 rangi im not sure it actually does anything 19:23 jcamins On a currently-running production system? 19:23 jcamins Is it safe to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b? 19:23 jcamins Looks like it will work. 19:21 rangi s/broke/shattered/ 19:21 jcamins Oh, you're talking about a video. 19:21 rangi thats how i broke my little finger on my left hand 19:21 jcamins What? 19:21 rangi see at 15 seconds 19:21 jcamins What happens if you run rebuild_zebra with just the argument -b? 19:19 rangi NZ in the house! 19:19 jwagner I distinctly remember a lot of instructional comments like, The rule in this situation is this. Except for _this_ situation. 19:19 rangi check out the catch at 47 seconds 19:19 Brooke_ why, he's not throwing underarm at all ;) 19:19 rangi spaceball according to kahu 19:19 rangi :) 19:18 jwagner But rangi, we taught you ALL ABOUT baseball in Plano! 19:18 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE 19:18 rangi and raise you a cricket video 19:18 rangi i see you baseball stuff 19:18 druthb the song is somewhat infectious. The video is a lot of vintage baseball footage, a baseball trivia geek's dream come true. 19:18 Brooke_ don't do it, it's a dreadful pop song. 19:17 cait not sure I should click on that - don't want another thing runnign around in my head 19:17 Brooke_ nsfw ;) 19:17 cait oh no 19:17 druthb cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc 19:17 rangi back 19:16 cait thx :) 19:16 jwagner I think my favorite baseball song might be Tom Paxton's My Favorite Spring, though 19:16 jwagner Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days also refers to baseball. 19:16 jwagner the "Put me in, Coach" line was from a John Fogerty song called Centerfield (about baseball). 19:16 Brooke_ know that one? 19:16 * Brooke_ is a darling. 19:16 cait huh? 19:15 druthb that *song...* 19:15 jwagner How about Glory Days instead? 19:15 * Brooke_ gets ready to "escort" jwagner... 19:15 * druthb has John Fogerty in her head now. grrrrrr. 19:15 * jwagner looks around -- what did I do? 19:14 druthb jwagner! This is *all your fault!* 19:12 cait ok, that would work too 19:11 Brooke_ where it belongs. 19:11 Brooke_ collecting dust 19:11 Brooke_ how about in an archive 19:11 cait behind a sphinx' riddle? 19:10 cait can we hide the 2.2.9 somewhere? 19:10 Brooke_ he is no such thing 19:10 cait rangi: you are evil ;) 19:09 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 19:08 jcamins rangi: I got it. 19:08 Brooke_ kia ora 19:07 rangi That joke only makes sense if you are on the mailing list 19:07 rangi My stop bbiab 19:07 rangi HOW CAN I GET OFF THE BUS 19:03 rangi </ bus_tales> 19:03 rangi Its making my day 19:03 rangi The woman in front of me is rocking out hard to her music 18:55 rangi Back 18:47 druthb doesn't look like anything close to where I'll be, for the small number of days. Pity. 18:45 jwagner http://www.springtrainingmagazine.com/grapesched11.html 18:44 druthb heh. I'll be out in the weeds southwest of JAX, so we shall see. 18:43 jwagner They could be, you know. Hard to go very far in Florida in March _without_ running into a spring training game. 18:42 * druthb already has a florida trip in march, but rather doubts that baseballs will be involved. 18:40 * jwagner makes note to check spring training schedules and try for a quick Florida trip in March. 18:40 druthb heh 18:39 jwagner I've been arguing for years that Opening Day of the baseball season really should be a national holiday. I mean, who cares about Columbus Day? 18:39 rangi ok bus time, be back from on the bus 18:38 jwagner Put me in, Coach, I'm ready to play! 18:38 brendan_ jwagner++ baseball++ 18:38 rangi that was the last time, when it was on on a public holiday here 18:38 jwagner Ah, who cares about the Super Bowl? The NHL All-Star break is finally over, so we have ice hockey again. And pitchers and catchers report for baseball spring training in 12 days!!! 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6081 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6102 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6096 18:36 rangi speaking of superbowl 18:29 rangi yup 18:29 jwagner Not good sightseeing conditions. 18:28 jwagner rangi, probably for the best. We still have a bunch of piled up snow all over from last week's storm, and now it's melting and getting really slushy & horrible for walking. 18:28 jwagner Hi cait 18:28 cait hi all :) 18:28 rangi but she has been to dc before 18:27 rangi im pretty sure she wont see anything more than her hotel and the conference venue this trip 18:27 jwagner well, yes, obviously. But don't discount siblings! 18:26 rangi naw my wife has tons more 18:25 druthb mhm. siblings have the dirt, always. I've got some on my brothers, who are a whole generation older than me. 18:24 jwagner rangi, in my experience, sisters ALWAYS have something on you. And vice versa, of course. I have some great blackmail material on my sister. 18:24 rangi heh, shes got nothing on me 18:23 druthb http://github.com/stories_that_rangi_wishes_you_wont_read.git 18:23 jwagner Hmmm. Now that's an argument in favor.... 18:23 druthb I will, however, make sure that the stories make it into a publicly-accessible git repo...open source, you know... 18:22 * jwagner is :-) 18:22 rangi back to nz in time for the superbowl 18:22 * druthb is not *that* mean. 18:22 jwagner or hold her hostage until rangi does lots of nifty things like the oft-requested cloning and time travel modules! 18:21 * druthb thinks jwagner and I should kidnap her and get the incriminating stories about rangi. 18:21 rangi invited speaker talking about discrimination and health 18:21 rangi is only there for 3.5 days 18:21 rangi yep, fly from sfo yesterday 18:21 jwagner Lots of flights cancelled all across the country, so it's lucky she got here! 18:20 jwagner We lucked out on the storm -- it tracked just north of us so instead of the predicted inch or two of ice we just got rain. 18:19 rangi arrived yesterday 18:19 rangi jwagner: my sister is in dc 18:15 jwagner Heat wave! 18:15 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.0�C (1:18 PM EST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Falling). 18:15 jwagner @wunder 20740 18:07 wizzyrea_ brrr 18:07 huginn wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -11.6�C (12:10 PM CST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 18:07 wizzyrea_ @wunder lawrence ks 18:05 rangi thanks 18:05 slef done 18:01 rangi can u fixinate? 18:01 rangi chanserv has forgotten us 18:01 slef rangi: only for 5mins max 17:58 rangi slef: about? 17:56 jcamins No, maybe not. 17:56 jcamins Wait. I think I meant "amount" not "amountoutstanding." 17:52 chris_n jcamins: will do 17:52 jcamins Ah. 17:50 rangi look in the statistics table 17:50 rangi yes 17:50 rangi so amountoutstanding is what you use to check if someone owes money (or could be in credit too) 17:50 jcamins So if I want to know the change in fines between January 1 and February 1 for a specific borrower, is that possible? 17:49 rangi statistics still does 17:49 rangi accountsoffset used to contain the amount changing by 17:49 jcamins Ugh. 17:48 rangi (increase if it is a fine, and the fine has increased, decrease if someone has written off, or paid some/all) 17:47 rangi jcamins: amountoutstanding is the amount left, it might increase or decrease 17:45 atz better name too 17:45 atz cool, thx 17:45 atz s'ok, i just didn't want to lose that reference. i think i've referred to in on list at least a half dozen times 17:45 jcamins atz: ^^ 17:45 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Encoding_and_Character_Sets_in_Koha 17:44 jcamins This may take a few minutes... 17:44 jcamins atz: there is, but I am too tired to remember where off the top of my head. 17:44 atz that was a useful document 17:44 atz so is there any accessible version of what the old wiki had as "encodingscratchpad"? 17:44 jcamins That's the amount of each transaction? 17:44 jcamins accoutlines.amountoutstanding is not a cumulative amount, correct? 17:41 jcamins That's a pretty serious problem... I'm actually kind of surprised no one ever encountered it before. 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 17:40 jcamins chris_n: once rangi pushes bug 5683 you'll probably want to cherry pick it for 3.2.4. 17:32 sekjal later, #koha 17:29 chris_n jcamins: I'm not sure; it did not work for me the first time, either; but second go round was ok 17:23 jcamins Oh well. 17:22 jcamins Why didn't pastebot work when I tried pasting? 17:21 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:21 chris_n @later tell rangi forget it 17:21 chris_n works now 17:21 chris_n hmm 17:21 pastebot0 "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "TEST TEST" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/134 17:20 wizzyrea_ weird he was working yesterday 17:20 * chris_n is trying to cope with nick changes ;-) 17:19 chris_n right 17:19 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:19 chris_n @later tell rangi pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here 17:19 chris_n very 17:19 jcamins chris_n: chris is rangi, isn't he? 17:19 jcamins He's broken, though. 17:18 wizzyrea_ pastebot0? 17:18 chris_n opps.... 17:18 wizzyrea_ he's here 17:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:18 chris_n @later tell chris pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here 17:17 nengard :) 17:17 nengard cool 17:17 nengard so now i have two registered names? 17:11 wizzyrea_ it means you're registered 17:09 wizzyrea_ away Spud! 17:08 nengard what does this mean "nengard_lunch sets mode -R nengard_lunch" 16:33 tcohen :-) 16:32 tcohen i think i have the same problem speaking spanish 16:32 tcohen mmm 16:32 tcohen is my english as a second language problem 16:32 jcamins Oh, I misunderstood as well. 16:31 wizzyrea_ that you wanted opensuse and they wanted ubuntu 16:31 wizzyrea_ I read that the other way round 16:31 wizzyrea_ OH 16:30 tcohen i was the ubuntu guy 16:30 wizzyrea_ and even easier yet to use debian :P 16:30 jcamins tcohen: but isn't it easier to install Koha on Ubuntu? 16:30 tcohen but i won that battle 16:30 tcohen i had problems with them for sticking to ubuntu lts instead of opensuse (for example) 16:29 jcamins Ah. 16:29 tcohen everyone here uses SVN, so there was no option for a git repository 16:28 tcohen our "production" division provides as with the tools, as they maintain them 16:28 jcamins tcohen: I was thinking of asking you about that. 16:28 tcohen :-D 16:27 tcohen i was expecting a complain for our use of svn instead of git from wahanui 16:25 tcohen interesting 16:25 jcamins We don't know exactly why s/he says some of the things s/he says. 16:25 tcohen jaja 16:25 wizzyrea_ jinx! 16:25 jcamins tcohen: wahanui is a bot. 16:25 wizzyrea_ tcohen: wahanui is a bot 16:25 tcohen ? 16:25 tcohen which part is not right for you 16:24 wahanui tcohen: that doesn't look right 16:24 tcohen and change the DNS 16:24 tcohen svn up for the newer config for the instance 16:24 tcohen then shut the site down, move the DB to the new DB server 16:24 tcohen and several tweaks on the OS done 16:23 tcohen to have the filesystem fr a specific instance 16:23 tcohen so we run a "installing script" 16:23 tcohen we have an internal (must-use) svn repo with our koha branch and configurations for each instance on it 16:18 Ahmuck how r u migrating? 16:18 Ahmuck interesting 16:06 tcohen i hope i finish this migration tasks soon, so i can code something! 16:05 tcohen have 28 kohas in production right now :-D 16:03 tcohen time, angry librarians 16:02 Ahmuck__ tcohen: sweating, why? 15:55 jcamins Thanks. 15:55 jcamins That's what I didn't understand. 15:55 jcamins Oh. Item fields. 15:54 paul_p otherwise, the utf8 flag is not set, Perl think it must be reencoded & you get a double encoded item :((( 15:54 paul_p jcamins, this portion set the utf8 flag to all item fields 15:53 jcamins paul_p: any idea what that does? 15:53 jcamins paul_p: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;h=0cc63ab69bb3e9448d83f4392cd1f17945795ccf;hb=HEAD#l311 15:52 jcamins (I'm finding it in gitweb) 15:51 jcamins And I can't figure out what that section of the code does. 15:51 jcamins You put a note in C4/Biblio.pm about re-encoding each subfield. 15:50 jcamins I have a question for you. 15:50 jcamins paul_p: I'm glad you're here. 15:44 kf bye 15:42 oleonard it would affect the default date of the datepicker widget 15:42 sekjal say, if my local machine's time was 2 weeks ago, would that leak into Koha and provide bad dates in places? 15:41 sekjal would the time/date set on a client machine accessing the staff client webpage affect any of the date data? 15:39 paul_p good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever everybody 15:39 * paul_p didn't help too, but if you set a ++ to kf, I'm OK to get a ++ too :D 15:39 * kf didn't help 15:38 jcamins Did I miss anyone who helped? 15:38 jcamins kf++ 15:38 jcamins sekjal++ 15:38 jcamins druthb++ 15:38 jcamins gmcharlt++ 15:38 jcamins My script worked. 15:38 jcamins Woohoo! 15:30 tcohen moving all my kohas to storage server driven virtual machines, SWEATING 15:28 jcamins Thanks. 15:28 gmcharlt if ($@) { # an exception has been caught } 15:28 jcamins $@ 15:27 gmcharlt eval { # do stuff }; 15:27 jcamins Oh, I got it. 15:25 jcamins How do I find out if there was an error in an eval {}? 15:25 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 15:25 jcamins Simple Perl question: how do I catch an error in an eval {}? 15:22 jcamins ModBiblioMarc. 15:21 sekjal ah, pre-existing subroutines, right 15:21 jcamins sekjal: yeah, I know how to do it, I'm just wondering if there's anything included with Koha that I should be using. 15:20 sekjal jcamins: surely... pass it to MARC::Record, then output as MARCXML? 15:19 jcamins Is there any currently-existing utility that rebuilds the marcxml from the usmarc? 15:19 kf jcamins: I said ignore me! on second thought I knew you wouldn't create something like that on purpose ;) 15:18 jcamins Okay, the usmarc parsing recovers. 15:17 jcamins gmcharlt: is there anything you can do once you catch the exception, or are you pretty much SOL if you really want that MARC::Record object? 15:16 jcamins kf: the problem is that I have this in a database, and now I can't fix it. 15:16 druthb kf: The problem is that C4::Biblio::LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities will gladly *create* such problems, if you send in an authority controlled field that only has a $9. 15:16 gmcharlt I could add a lenient mode to MARC::File::XML to only warn about such exceptions (and drop affected fields) instead of croak()ing, I suppose 15:15 gmcharlt jcamins: it would be a matter of wrapping it an an eval and checking for the exception 15:14 kf jcamins: ignore me - having a crazy day 15:13 kf so we should not support that 15:13 jcamins kf: no, it's definitely not allowed. 15:13 kf jcamins: are you sure that's allowed? 15:11 jcamins http://paste.koha-community.org/133 15:10 * jcamins pokes pastebot 15:09 jcamins Sure. 15:09 gmcharlt can you paste the XML, please? 15:09 jcamins Just no <subfield> tags. 15:08 jcamins The strange thing is that there are indicators. 15:08 jcamins Field 655 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92 15:07 gmcharlt jcamins: right got that - to cut to the chase, what exception are you getting, specifically? 15:07 jcamins I have a record, in Koha, which has been corrupted. 15:06 * jcamins will try restating the problem. 15:04 * jcamins too, and he's causing it 15:04 * druthb finds all this confusion very....confusing. 15:03 jcamins Okay, please un-disregard my question. 15:03 jcamins Grr. 15:03 jcamins No, I was wrong. 15:03 jcamins Operator error. 15:02 gmcharlt ? 15:02 jcamins Never mind. 15:02 jcamins ... 15:01 jcamins MARC::Record won't create an object out of it, so I can't delete the field. 15:01 jcamins I have a record which has a 655 field, but no subfields. 15:01 jcamins Do you have any idea how to make MARC::Record not die on a record with a field that has no subfields? 15:00 gmcharlt jcamins: what's up? 14:57 jcamins gmcharlt: about? 14:43 liw https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Email_address links to http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx which may be useful 14:42 druthb oleonard++ # for fixing so very many things, that he forgets some of them. 14:42 * jcamins remembers again why he hates the cataloging interface 14:42 oleonard I'm a little hazy on what I fixed :| 14:41 jcamins oleonard: hm. I thought you fixed it. 14:40 oleonard jcamins: I don't know anything about it 14:40 jcamins oleonard: was there a regression in the cataloging interface, with cloned fields collapsing the original field and not themselves? 14:40 * oleonard grouches Anyone who's such smartass as to provide an email with a space doesn't deserve a notice! 14:39 druthb *nod* painful check, that one. 14:39 liw (but require quoting) 14:39 liw for example, spaces are sometimes allowed in e-mail addresses 14:39 druthb If we simply check for presence of <something>@<somthing>.<something>, with no spaces, that would get a minimal check in place. 14:38 jcamins Just so long as '+'s are allowed. 14:38 liw most sites that validate e-mail address syntax get it wrong for corner cases, though 14:37 oleonard druthb: The most common problem we have is inadvertent spaces 14:37 druthb I've seen one-liner regexes that will confirm RFC-compliance on that, I just can't lay a finger on one ATM 14:37 druthb yep, it's a perennial problem. It doesn't *seem* like that should be hard. 14:36 kmkale :) 14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5685 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Validation of email address field 14:36 oleonard druthb: We run into Bug 5685 all the time 14:36 jcamins kmkale: that's good, because actually you missed your opportunity. 14:36 kmkale aww. I hope nothing to do with yasi 14:35 jcamins oleonard: one (or more) of the IRC servers has stopped talking with one (or more) of the others. 14:35 kmkale why should I when I have such a good one? ;) 14:35 liw kmkale, the whole oftc network is having problems, it seems -- it's one of the results of having more than one irc server involved, it seems 14:35 oleonard jcamins: ? 14:35 jcamins kmkale: if you're fast perhaps you can steal someone else's nick. 14:35 jwagner Beats me... 14:35 jcamins kmkale: Netsplit. 14:34 kmkale I am seeing mass exodus and re-entry of people in this channel, Whats that about?> 14:17 nengard thanks for the help all 14:17 nengard got to prep for a webinar now 14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Z search on OCLC pulls in 952s 14:16 nengard bug 5684 posted 14:14 nengard i'll start a report for this and include the chat 14:13 nengard maybe a sys pref or a checkbox on the z search page (don't import 952) 14:13 nengard slef the marc import lets you ignore holdings - so i think the z search should too 14:12 jcamins slef: because 952 is used for local holdings by OCLC. 14:11 slef Should koha's z search warn and offer to discard if it sees a biblio/items mapped field in results? 14:10 slef nengard: what's yours? Mine is 852 => 952 14:09 nengard i have a theory .... but it's not a nice one :) 14:09 slef Someone told me why Koha uses 952 but I forget. 14:09 slef so OCLC users need to configure Koha to use something else? 14:09 nengard but good that it's documented 14:09 nengard ICK 14:08 slef http://www.oclc.org/support/documentation/z3950/search_IRs/#952structure 14:08 * slef browses http://www.oclc.org/ 14:07 slef bleah, I hope that's documented 14:07 jcamins I think so. 14:07 slef jcamins: as in OCLC always send 9xx fields? 14:07 jcamins Maybe some people keep them. 14:07 jcamins slef: well, we always did at Princeton. 14:07 slef jcamins: always? 14:06 jcamins I remember deleting those fields at Princeton, too. 14:06 nengard oh!!!!!!!! 14:05 jcamins OCLC. 14:05 jcamins nengard: I just realized what it is. 14:03 slef kf: koha jone or another one? 13:56 kf nengard: the forms are differnt - I added some missing options. And you can define a framework- not sure about other differences 13:55 nengard is the z search in acq different from the one in cataloging? I have a report that the acq z search is pulling in 952 fields but i've never seen the cataloging one do that 13:38 nengard gmcharlt yeah, i think that's gonna have to be the trick, just that everyone has gotten used to #koha 13:37 kf we could try to spam them with koha news until they rename the paper? ;) 13:37 gmcharlt nengard: we can also do #kohails or #kohalms or something if need be 13:36 nengard hmmmm 13:35 jcamins Oh, drat. I would've preferred if it worked for everyone else. 13:35 jcamins Oh well. 13:35 jcamins I'm probably just using Twitter wrong. 13:34 nengard jcamins you're right - it hid them when I clicked block but now that i rerun the search they're back 13:34 nengard hmmmm 13:34 jcamins nengard: really? It didn't for me. 13:34 nengard and Brooke_ what kind of title insurance? got it on my house :) hehe 13:34 jcamins Brooke_: isn't title insurance only applicable to cars? 13:34 nengard woo hoo - blocking worked 13:34 Brooke_ gmcharlt++ 13:33 nengard just throwing a mini-tantrum 13:33 gmcharlt Brooke_: I'm tweaking the infobox to add a microblog tag for twitter/identica etc 13:33 Brooke_ nengard: do you have title insurance? 13:33 nengard that club had it first 13:33 nengard yeah i know 13:33 jcamins nengard: no. 13:33 nengard Brooke_ we had #koha first on twitter!! :) 13:32 nengard cause i can't find any of the #koha news I care about 13:32 nengard gonna try that 13:32 nengard if i block the paper do you think they'll be hidden from my feed? 13:32 Brooke_ there can be more than one gift in the world 13:32 nengard oh no!! 13:30 gmcharlt Koha is the name of the paper 13:29 nengard and all those articles are about koha? 13:29 chris_n fixed 13:29 gmcharlt nengard: looks like a bonafide newspaper 13:28 * Brooke_ retracts the little wanker statement. 13:28 nengard anyone know who's spamming the #koha feed on twitter? 13:28 Brooke_ he put his in 13:28 Brooke_ oh ho 13:26 jwagner Where is all this birth date info? 13:26 Brooke_ removing a feature is not *fixing* the problem. 13:26 * Brooke_ slaps the back of Galen's hand. 13:26 Brooke_ you can't just *remove* the birth date information. 13:25 Brooke_ oi! 13:25 chris_n liw++ # <NickServ> 08:27:51> You are successfully identified as chris_n. 13:24 Brooke_ chris apparently is. Little wanker didn't correct that part of his. 13:24 Brooke_ thank ye 13:24 chris_n >snicker< 13:24 gmcharlt I am not, in fact, 2011 years old 13:23 * gmcharlt corrects the record 13:23 liw the url above is my bip redacted bip config, please notify me if I forgot to remove some password 13:23 * chris_n runs off to try that 13:23 chris_n ahh 13:23 liw seems like oftc's nickserv and freenode's nickserv have nick and password in different order 13:22 chris_n ahh... maybe 13:22 liw http://paste.debian.net/106300/ 13:22 thd chris_n: I think my problem is that I always start out as thd_away which is not registered. 13:21 * jcamins is pretty sure that irssi just did it for him without any configuration at all. Weird. 13:21 chris_n yup 13:21 thd chris_n: You use that in bip? 13:21 chris_n in the connection block 13:20 * chris_n does 'on_connect_send = "PRIVMSG NickServ :IDENTIFY secretfoo' 13:19 thd liw: What do you do for automatic identification? 13:19 * jcamins uses irssi. 13:19 liw thd, I use bip+xchat, works fine for me 13:19 chris_n config which works on freenode and katipo does not here 13:19 chris_n thd: I do as well and it seems oftc may be doing things differently 13:18 jwagner thd, I don't even know what bib (or xchat) is.... 13:18 thd jwagner: I use XChat via bip do you have automatic identification working in bip? 13:18 * druthb be-bops, just because. 13:17 chris_n lol 13:17 * jwagner suggests bopping bip? 13:17 thd nengard: Is that xhat and not xchat? 13:17 * chris_n attempts to wrestle bip into submission... again :P 13:16 liw I've not had problems with automatic identification on freenode with xchat 13:16 nengard i use adium for other chats - but i don't like irc in adium so that's why i use xhat 13:16 nengard bleh 13:16 thd nengard: I have been using XChat for 6 years and not succeeded at automatic identification on freenode. 13:15 nengard hmmmm ... not sure that worked 13:14 jcamins nengard: oh, well, good. 13:14 nengard i don't use adium - i use xhat and i found the option - gonna log off and log in and see if it works 13:14 thd Does anyone know how to automatically identify in XChat? 13:13 kf thd: figured that out :) 13:13 thd kf: later when identifying type /NICKSERV IDENTIFY YourPassword 13:13 jcamins nengard: I think you use Adium, and Adium will do it automatically for you. 13:13 kf oleonard++ 13:13 nengard thanks oleonard - i'll find that option 13:13 kf provide the password there 13:13 oleonard Chatzilla does it for me 13:12 kf not sure, but perhaps you can in your irc client 13:12 oleonard nengard your IRC client may have a way to automatically do it 13:12 nengard is there a way to set it so that you don't have to /identify everytime you log in? 13:12 thd Your welcome kf 13:11 oleonard Apologies for missing the meeting everyone 13:11 kf thd: thx for your help - sorry got distracted earlier 12:59 jcamins But git send-email not working is annoying. 12:59 jcamins I get e-mails on a different address. 12:59 wasabi_love afaik 12:59 jcamins Excellent. 12:58 wasabi_love you just wont get emails from that mailing-list 12:58 jcamins Good. 12:58 wasabi_love yes 12:55 jcamins If I set mail delivery on koha-patches to disabled, will I still be able to submit patches? 12:53 druthb nope. :) I registered it. 12:52 jcamins Was druthb already taken? 12:52 jdavidb ...talk about feeling strange.... 12:52 druthb mine predates OFTC, so probably not. 12:51 jwagner Can we sue OFTC for causing multiple personality disorders??? 12:51 druthb :) 12:50 kfischer feels strange 12:50 cait cait and kfischer then 12:50 cait ok, could be worse 12:49 kfischer yeah, that worked 12:48 jcamins That was going to be my guess. 12:48 thd kf: I think that may be your problem 12:48 kf ? 12:48 kf is the nick to short for registration 12:48 kf too short? 12:48 thd s/choose/chose/ 12:47 thd kf: I choose mine because the letter combination is unlikely to be taken already. 12:46 kf : (notice) The nick you are trying to register is invalid, please choose another nick to 12:46 kf and got a window from nickserv 12:46 kf I wrote it lowercase now 12:46 thd kf: did you start with /NICKSERV ? 12:46 kf the nick is invalid? 12:46 jwagner kf, that syntax worked for me 12:45 kf unbekanntes kommando = unknown command :( 12:45 kf ok will try 12:44 thd kf: type /NICKSERV REGISTER YourPassword you@email 12:44 kf thd: so what is the right command structure? :) 12:44 kf you could try a dot... ;) 12:44 Brooke_ I hate this underscore. 12:44 * Brooke_ might revert to an old handle. 12:43 jcamins kf: I managed to earlier, but I've forgotten how. 12:43 thd kf: Yes I just did it. 12:43 kf and please don't refer to the nickserv helpp... because I have it open 12:43 kf ok, can someone tell me how to register my nick? 12:43 jcamins Good. 12:42 druthb it should, yes. 12:42 jcamins Does scp-ing a git repository work? 12:41 kf REGISTER 12:32 Oak about Vote for KohaCon 2011 12:32 Oak thanks nengard, got the mail 12:14 ricmarques I have to go lunch now. Take care everyone! :) 12:14 nengard added name and institution (the latter is not required) 12:12 jwagner nengard, yes, I know the rank won the vote, I am just fighting a rearguard action :-) 12:12 kmkale nengard: name of institute represented too is possible 12:10 nengard i can add that :) 12:10 thd nengard Should it not also ask for a name? 12:10 nengard and i did a rank because we got more votes for a rank than we did a straight count 12:10 nengard if i publish people will start voting and i didn't want that until you said okay 12:10 nengard yet 12:10 nengard didn't publish it 12:10 Oak nengard, you will send using the mailing list ? 12:10 thd where is it nengard? 12:09 gbengaadara +1 12:09 kmkale me too (still prefer straight count, but ....) 12:09 jwagner +1 I guess (still prefer straight count, but ....) 12:09 nengard :) 12:09 Oak +1 12:09 Oak +a 12:08 jcamins +1 12:08 kmkale +1 12:08 nengard if you won't attend somewhere you don't have to rank that location 12:07 nengard okay all who are still here - I have finished a vote - it asks for email and then to rank the 4 proposals - if that's okay give me a +1 and I'll send it out to all via email 12:04 ricardo thd: With NICKSERV commands :) Write /nickserv help register 12:04 thd ricardo: How do I register my nick? 12:02 ricardo Ah great... The nick "ricardo" is already registered here in OFTC by someone else, although it hasn't been used in 6 years :( 12:02 thd slef: The short exciting message is still coming.. 12:01 thd slef: That is a dull tedious message. 12:01 slef biab 12:01 slef thd: I saw it, didn't really understand it, replying in that thread is still on my plan. 12:01 ricardo rangi: Thanks and sleep well! :) 12:00 thd slef: note my most recent message about score voting. 12:00 sekjal but, the car is unburied, and I didn't get frostbite! 11:59 sekjal rangi: I hear you... just did that, myself 11:58 rangi (have to be up in 5 hours :() 11:58 * rangi goes to bed 11:58 kmkale good night rangi 11:58 kmkale cool 11:58 rangi or ask kf 11:58 rangi and ill answer you in the morning 11:58 rangi email the devel list 11:58 kmkale how do I test your work with TT? 11:58 rangi just finish, ill deal with converting it to tt, or show you how to 11:57 rangi but anything in progress 11:57 kmkale :) 11:57 rangi ill give a week or 2 warning 11:57 rangi when its finished 11:57 jcamins rangi: go to sleep. 11:57 kmkale rangi: when is that? 11:57 rangi but woe be upon you if you start something after the cutover :-) 11:56 rangi but i wont make people redo what they have done 11:56 rangi to convert templates, eventually ill stop accepting patches in h::t::p 11:56 indradg kmkale, oops.. never mind 11:55 slef kf: last Sunday of March and October. 11:55 indradg :( 11:55 rangi theres a script for that 11:55 indradg kmkale, look at the /topic 11:55 kf good that I had the window open 11:55 slef kmkale: requires any tmpl changes to be converted 11:55 kf slef: thought meeting today was at 11pm... 11:55 kf slef: I was not sure when the time change will happen - confusing time zones a lot 11:55 kmkale indradg: next meeting march 2 18:00UTC 11:55 kmkale who can tell me more about TT implecations on WIP? 11:55 indradg er.. when is the next meeting then? 11:55 slef kf: sorry, you were right. I got confused with people talking about April, which will be after MEZ/MESZ change. 11:54 ricardo LOL 11:54 kf lunch now 11:54 huginn ricardo: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 11:54 ricardo huginn ++ ;-) 11:54 Brooke_ we're done 11:54 Brooke_ pfft 11:54 rangi if they want the meeting bot to log :) 11:54 rangi right, someone else can do #startmeeting 11:54 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.log.html 11:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.txt 11:54 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.html 11:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Feb 2 11:57:18 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 11:54 rangi #endmeeting 11:54 kmkale oops 11:54 rangi #agreed next meeting march 2 18:00UTC 11:53 * mle gives jwagner 10xp 11:53 thd :) 11:53 * jwagner deploys Cone of Silence 11:53 rangi which is the only way someone else can become chair 11:53 sekjal 18:00 ++ 11:53 rangi but you guys wouldnt be quiet long enough for me to do endmeeting 11:53 gbengaadara 18.00 UTC. 19:00 Lagos ++ 11:52 kf make an action and end meeting :) 11:52 rangi i was tryuing to do that 11:52 ricardo slef: LOL! 11:52 slef next time, let's boot rangi out of the chair when he gets tired ;-) 11:52 wasabi_love 18++ 11:52 ricardo 18 H UTC ++ 11:52 davi 18++ 11:51 kf 18++ 11:51 jwagner +1 1800UTC 11:51 rangi i vote 18 utc 11:51 gbengaadara then 22 utc next 11:51 slef 18++ 11:51 slef davi++ 11:51 kf davi++ 11:51 davi Can we agree something? 11:51 rangi 10 utc this time 11:51 rangi thats what we have been doing 11:51 slef US and AU hog multiple timezones 11:51 gbengaadara Hard to get convenient time for everyone. Why not just rotate? 11:51 rangi i wont be ther efor that :) 11:50 rangi thats 2am nz 11:50 sekjal rangi: 1800 UTC is good for the US, all around 11:50 slef s/up to/around/ 11:50 jcamins 1300, maybe? 11:50 davi +1 1800UTC 11:50 slef rangi: up to 1300 11:50 thd +1 1800UTC 11:50 kf civil time in the evening 11:50 rangi whats 1800 utc in usa? 11:50 ricardo rangi: For Portuguese people, like myself (and other European like kf has just said) 7 PM UTC is a good time 11:50 kmkale 1800UTC is 23.30 India 11:50 kf time_zones-- 11:50 kf whatever 11:50 slef kf: sorry, 8pm CEST/MESZ 11:50 rangi that ok? 11:49 slef kf: no, 6pm 11:49 rangi 7pm for uk 11:49 kmkale 1800UTC is good too 11:49 kf good for europe then too - 7pm 11:49 slef oh it's 18:00 11:49 gbengaadara indradg: +1 11:49 rangi thats 7am nz time 11:49 rangi 18:00 utc? 11:49 indradg rangi, we should keep rotating the meeting time the way we are doing 11:49 slef other option is 22:00+0000 (as usual?) with a kohacon meeting at 10:00+0000 some day? 11:49 davi Just trying to set a date 11:49 nengard LOL @ "stupid oclock" 11:49 * jcamins can't really speak at all this early in the morning. But provided April is a different time, I can deal with next month being at 5am again. 11:48 davi neither me 11:48 ricardo rangi: Speaking for myself, I don't mind having the meeting at another time :) 11:48 thd +1 anytime 11:48 kf hm, we have the 3.6 roles next meeting 11:48 Brooke_ can't speak for the rest of us though 11:47 * Brooke_ can live with stupid oclock twice in a row 11:47 rangi 2 months in a row 11:47 rangi for usa 11:47 rangi that makes it stupid oclock 11:47 ricardo davi++ 11:47 kmkale 2nd march 10:00+0000 ++ 11:47 wasabi_love davi++ 11:47 irmaB Have a good day/night all! Bye 11:47 davi So Next IRC Meeting = 2nd march 10:00+0000 ? 11:46 kmkale 22:00+0000 is 3.30 am 11:46 slef I'm thinking there may be questions need asking after the kohacon vote is settled. 11:46 kmkale 10:00+0000 11:46 kmkale now 11:46 slef kmkale: which time is better for your area? 10:00+0000 or 22:00+0000? 11:45 kmkale slef: ? 11:45 kf ricardo: there is log, the bot will tell the link soon 11:45 ricardo rangi: Right 11:45 ricardo Ah... Sorry. There's logbot 11:45 rangi is here 11:45 indradg slef, anything works 11:45 ricardo Hi all. Yes, for me it can be also be on 2nd March (I'm sorry that I couldn't atttend the meeting today. I can't see logbot here... Has any bot / one logged this meeting?) 11:45 kmkale Brooke_: 2 weeks fro the day nengard puts up a form and posts to the lists 11:44 joann goodnight all 11:44 thd +1 2nd March 11:44 slef indradg: kmkale: is now or +12h better for your timezone? 11:44 thd +1 11:44 indradg kf, cheerio 11:44 Brooke_ actual votes 11:44 Brooke_ voting on Conference to close via email by mid Feb? 11:44 indradg =! 11:44 kmkale :) 11:44 kf 2nd march++ (my birthday :) ) 11:44 nengard rangi is asking for a vote on the next meeting i think 11:44 rangi yes 11:44 kmkale 2nd march as the date of next irc meeting? 11:44 wahanui time is a scary thing 11:44 rangi what time? 11:43 davi 2nd march++ 11:43 kf but not to decide 11:43 nengard 2nd march++ 11:43 kf first week of march would be great for me 11:43 thd I am happy to delegate to nengard and let rangi and joann sleep. 11:43 * sekjal_ hates VPN 11:43 rangi i propose 2nd march 11:43 indradg nengard, ++ 11:43 kmkale 2 weeks is good 11:43 kf nicole++ 11:43 slef next meeting time! 11:43 kf hi sekjal 11:43 nengard 2 weeks 11:42 kf nicole will make a suggestion for the dates? 11:42 slef thd: I propose we delegate that to nengard :) 11:42 kmkale plz lets decide the dates now 11:42 thd kmkale++ 11:42 rangi #topic next meeting time 11:42 thd Is there a start and end date for the vote? 11:42 kmkale how about fixing a date for end of poll? 11:42 rangi we make our lives harder than they need to be a lot of the time 11:42 rangi thank god 11:41 nengard next meeting? 11:41 Brooke_ yep 11:41 nengard we're done 11:41 nengard i think a vote has been made 11:41 rangi and continue on the voting 11:41 indradg slef, like++ 11:41 rangi and someone can do #startmeeting 11:41 nengard LOL - rank :) 11:41 slef rant? That's my sort of vote! 11:41 rangi then im gonna end this meeting 11:41 davi rank it is 11:41 rangi im gonna do the call for meeting timgs 11:41 nengard k rant it is 11:41 joann rank it is 11:41 kmkale nengard: that will delay 11:41 rangi heres what i propose 11:41 wasabi_love rank it is.. 11:40 nengard :) 11:40 nengard i'm putting two polls up and you can all tell me which you like and which is the official 11:40 rangi can we move on to the meeting time for march, then the discusssion can continue after 11:40 joann so B=5 A=7 11:40 thd slef wants score voting which I do too but it is too complicated to decide now. 11:40 slef joann: yes, but introducing a third option doesn't help rangi get to sleep. 11:40 Oak "favorite place" ? that's how we are going to choose the location... 11:40 wasabi_love ha 11:39 thd :) 11:39 joann (oh come on slef - you always have an opinion :D 11:39 gbengaadara A+ 11:39 irmaB B+ 11:39 kf 0 11:39 slef 0 11:39 druthb A++ 11:39 nengard A++ 11:39 wasabi_love A++ 11:39 jwagner B+ 11:39 thd A+ 11:39 joann A++ 11:38 tajoli B+ 11:38 slef irmaB: not sure everyone sees it like that. Sock-puppets are popular on teh interweb. 11:38 kmkale B++ 11:38 davi A++ 11:38 Brooke_ B++ 11:38 irmaB BobB says voting implies intention to attend! 11:38 indradg kf, :) 11:38 thd I propose that we rank votes as we had done for the foundation. 11:38 joann so choices are: A: rank or B: 1 favorite place 11:38 kf a vote about the vote? seriously? ;) 11:38 davi as we did for the foundation 11:38 davi rank++ 11:38 thd OK 11:37 slef joann++ 11:37 rangi im not calling nothing 11:37 joann 1 favaorite place 11:37 thd rangi: Call the question on ranking votes as we did for the foundation 11:37 joann l1 favorite place 11:37 kf 1 vote favourite place 11:37 irmaB me too 11:37 Brooke_ you're the chair, dear. 11:37 davi rank as much locations as you want ++ 11:36 rangi cna we end the meeting and people can keep talking about voting systems when im sleeping 11:36 nengard i'm not particular 11:36 nengard i'll do whatever the most of you want 11:36 joann me too .. 11:36 * rangi is tired and wants to go to bed 11:36 joann so: 1 vote for your favourite place. 11:36 thd I think that ranking is the simplest for now. 11:36 nengard rangi++ 11:36 indradg rangi, ++ KISS works 11:36 rangi if you would go to them all, just vote for the one you like the best 11:36 kmkale one vote ++ 11:36 thd joann++ 11:36 rangi how about, just vote for the places yuo would go to 11:36 nengard okay so 4 question - email and where will you go - should we do like they do on code4lib and let people rank them? 11:35 rangi omg 11:35 gbengaadara But will attend India too if she wins 11:35 thd indradg++ 11:35 joann what about : ranking them 1-4 and less points wins 11:35 davi one person one vote, as many sites as you would visit & as many sites you will not visit ++ 11:35 indradg nengard, I'll be attending the next Kohacon wherever it may be held... so is not answering (i wont attend) can be an option? 11:35 joann i know - ive changed my mind 11:35 gbengaadara i can go to india or uk. just prefer UK 11:35 nengard you said we should ask where peopel won't go 11:34 nengard joann - that was your suggestion! :) hehe 11:34 kmkale no -ve questions please 11:34 thd Brooke_ divided vote is when most people prefer something other than X but X wins in plurality because most people voted for Y or Z. 11:34 joann yep - i think nicoles suggestion too hard 11:34 nengard rngi i'm okay with that too 11:34 davi one person, as many sites as you would visit++ 11:34 rangi just vote for where you would go 11:34 joann no - it sknown 11:34 nengard okay here is my proposal - +1 is you approve - set up limesurvey with 7 questions: 1. email address (for preventing dups) #1-#3 I will attend if koha con is in XYZ #4-#7 I will not attend if kohacon is in XYZ 11:34 slef But again, I've a conflict of interest :) 11:34 Brooke_ it will take too bloody long this go round 11:34 gbengaadara one man, one vote -current slogan here in Nigeria :) 11:33 rangi why make our lives complicated 11:33 slef I'd have one person, as many sites as you would visit. 11:33 Brooke_ we can organise MMPish voting *next* conference 11:33 rangi i dont think we mix 11:33 joann if too many people will not attend place x, that number could be greater than x getting most yes votes )if yes votes are split) 11:33 kmkale go Brooke_ 11:33 Brooke_ sorry 11:33 Brooke_ grow a spine 11:33 Brooke_ one site 11:33 Brooke_ one person 11:33 nengard :) 11:33 Brooke_ one vote 11:33 Brooke_ no funny business 11:33 Brooke_ no dividing votes 11:33 kmkale not +ve and -ve ones. 11:33 Brooke_ oh c'mon 11:33 thd nengard: what if more people prefer some place in Asia but divide their vote between options? 11:32 kmkale lets have simple questions 11:32 nengard wasabi_love yes 11:32 nengard i'm agreeing to put the vote together - not make the final decision based on the poll 11:32 kf limesurvey++ 11:32 wasabi_love would limesurvey work for the kohacon2011 voting? 11:32 kf nengard: if we have positive andn egative votes we have to do some sort of calculation 11:32 slef software.coop have a survey website we can use, but that's a conflict of interest 11:32 thd nengard: plurality voting? 11:32 nengard i'm okay with doodle or google - you all tell me where and i'll set it up today 11:31 wasabi_love ah, cheers slef, 11:31 slef doodle and google also work reasonably well 11:31 nengard um ... most votes? 11:31 thd nengard: How do we decide which wins? 11:31 kmkale by when? 11:31 nengard oh! yes I can use that too if you want 11:31 slef wasabi_love: limesurvey IIRC? 11:31 wasabi_love nengard: what was the voting/polling website you used previously? 11:31 nengard and then share the resulting csv file 11:31 slef joann: mmm, not sure. I think a comments box asking if+why any of the venues was difficult for them to say they'd attend. 11:31 nengard thd i put a form up 11:31 indradg yep 11:31 Brooke_ there is always next time 11:31 nengard 2 questions per location - so a 6 question form 11:30 thd How are we going to count the votes? 11:30 Brooke_ no hard feelings implied 11:30 Brooke_ right 11:30 joann we are not going to make everyone happy 11:30 druthb you've been drafted for Election Judge, nengard. :P 11:30 kf joann++ 11:30 nengard i'll put a form up if you want 11:30 joann "i would NOT attend if it was held in x " has merit too 11:30 nengard oh - yes i'll tally them 11:30 indradg officer 11:30 nengard ?? 11:30 rangi :) 11:29 indradg nengard, for the election office 11:29 kf I_would_attend..++ 11:29 slef Maybe post-conference if 3012 people expressed interest in attending but only 3 did, we can ask why more usefully. 11:29 Brooke_ are you willing to tally ballots sent to you? 11:29 joann +1 11:29 Brooke_ if not IRC 11:29 indradg irmaB, ++ 11:29 Brooke_ so nengard 11:29 nengard +1 11:29 wasabi_love +1 11:29 irmaB +1 11:29 irmaB "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. ++ 11:29 * Brooke_ has always taken it that way. 11:28 joann and i like slefs suggestion 11:28 joann ok - 1 vote 1 person 11:28 davi ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support 11:28 slef If one of the other bids can please more people, it should win. 11:28 tajoli +1 11:28 indradg +1 11:28 Nate_ +1 11:28 ColinC +1 11:28 jwagner +1 11:28 davi slef++ 11:28 thd +1 11:28 nengard +1 11:28 druthb +1 11:28 kf +1 11:28 slef Not as something to hold people to, but because the successful thing is a popular kohacon. 11:28 Brooke_ +1 11:28 joann +1 11:28 nengard slef++ 11:27 joann so 1 person per vote - lets do the +1 thing 11:27 thd People vote and institutions are not people no matter how the law defines institutions for some purposes. 11:27 nengard right 11:27 slef I don't mind IRC voting as well. I'm also tempted to say it should ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. 11:27 liw rangi, I'll point out to you that ikiwiki has a sort of polling thing, not particularly safe against abuse though 11:27 jwagner agreed per person 11:27 nengard no 11:27 kf does google forms need registration? 11:27 druthb people are attending, not institutions. 11:27 * Brooke_ is homeless. 11:27 gbengaadara nengard, ++ 11:27 Brooke_ per person, plox 11:27 joann that worked well 11:27 nengard or some other app 11:27 nengard we can use google forms again like we did for conference registration 11:27 joann wondering about 1 vote per person or per institution 11:26 indradg nengard, ++ 11:26 slef nengard++ 11:26 nengard i'd like to see the vote on a voting application of sorts - not irc and not wiki - lots of librarians still scared of irc 11:26 gbengaadara UK++ 11:26 kf UK++ 11:26 slef Did I miss any question? 11:26 davi +1 one person one vote 11:26 joann UK is still in 11:26 slef irmaB: I'm still here. All the questions seem to be about the Asian bids, though. 11:26 tajoli much cheper for me 11:26 kf irc_vote++ 11:26 nengard me too 11:25 tajoli I strongly support UK 11:25 Brooke_ that way no one gets 2 votes. 11:25 tajoli No 11:25 Brooke_ no institution votes 11:25 irmaB Is the UK out? 11:25 SandeepBhavsar yes i think per institution is ok 11:25 joann lets sort that point out first 11:25 Brooke_ +1 1 vote a person 11:25 rangi support for 2. 11:25 rangi but just an indicative way to show support, hence I have listed 11:25 rangi a vote at a meeting on irc, so I don't propose this poll is binding, 11:25 rangi And a way to register support, I do agree with Bob that we should call 11:25 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2011_Proposals 11:25 rangi Ive taken a crack at tidying the page 11:25 joann or per institution? 11:25 joann so is it 1 vote per person 11:25 kf in irc everyone has a vote - but there are also institutions on the wiki 11:24 joann i find it incredibly sad that we have 2 opposing bids from india 11:24 davi no wiki edits for voting++ 11:24 kf who is allowed to vote? 11:24 Brooke_ to ACTUALLY 11:24 Brooke_ not to organise 11:24 Brooke_ no 11:24 indradg Brooke_, to organise a voting? 11:24 * Brooke_ wants to see this sorted so organisers can get a move on. 11:24 kmkale Anyway if we arrange a vote lets make it so that it does not involve wiki edits ;) 11:24 Brooke_ does two weeks *not* work for anyone? 11:24 * chris_n must go now 11:23 rangi and the email i sent when i made that table 11:23 rangi the page says show your support 11:23 kmkale the page says so 11:23 kmkale Umm people have put in their name on wiki with the impression that its a vote 11:23 Brooke_ yes to gmcharlt. 11:23 jcamins Brooke_: do we have to send chocolate? 11:22 * nengard Nicole C Engard, Doc Manager (late arrival) 11:22 Brooke_ Vote for your sweetheart for conference :) 11:22 tajoli because lotation is strictly connect with personal situation 11:22 Brooke_ how about Valentine's Day? 11:22 indradg ++ 11:22 joann and lets do it asap 11:22 Brooke_ I agree with one vote 11:22 rangi yes, becuase that wsnt a vote 11:22 indradg joann, rangi I've voted for both thane and kolkata :) 11:22 joann yes. 11:22 tajoli Probably best one vote for person 11:22 kf I think vote must be started anew 11:22 Brooke_ MMP ftw 11:21 joann but i voted 'voted' twice as did brooke and maybe chris 11:21 joann the one with the most 'votes' 11:21 rangi joann: which india, there are 2 11:21 tajoli We can use the vote on the wiki, but we nedd an 'official' annunce, and a finish date 11:21 rangi yeah for 2010 we had decided in 2009 11:21 joann becuase on that basis its india already 11:21 Brooke_ kf: if we did, let's make it sooner than march 11:21 kf so we would not have to vote for roles and kohacon at one date 11:21 joann we have expresssions ofsupport - but is that a vote? 11:21 mle ColinC ++ 11:21 thd as did rangi 11:20 indradg joann, we already have that 11:20 ColinC Definitely make a decision re 2012 earlier than we did 2011 11:20 gbengaadara The earlier the host is known, the better 11:20 kf we could have a separate meeting 11:20 thd I voted twice :) 11:20 joann or make a google forms thingee and people can click on it anytime over next fortnight 11:20 thd joann, we have that 11:20 Oak thanks wasabi_love 11:20 kmkale can we do it sooner than March? 11:20 joann why not make a wiki page and people register their vote 11:20 rangi i put it on the agenda, and i certainly didnt mean decide tonight 11:20 joann not long for organisers 11:20 Brooke_ March at the bloody latest 11:20 rangi it said discussion 11:20 indradg yep 11:19 thd Announce now vote in March, exactly 11:19 joann i think the agenda item made it clear that we would talk about kohacon2011 tonight, it implied decision time to me 11:19 indradg tajoli, ++ 11:19 Brooke_ yeah 11:19 tajoli no, annunce the vote now, do the vote on march 11:19 Brooke_ folks have to move 11:19 indradg voting in march 11:19 Brooke_ no more stalling 11:19 kf and deciding for a time zone might be diffifult too 11:19 wasabi_love http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Withdrawal-from-KohaCon-Bid-in-favor-of-DlnetSA-Healthnet-Nepal-td3355813.html 11:19 slef I note that we're already a bit tight for nengard's wish of September. 11:19 Brooke_ too bad 11:19 rangi i think it should be announced sooner 11:19 kf 2 big votes in one meetnig might be a bit much 11:19 Brooke_ what why? 11:19 rangi thats cutting down the time to organise 11:19 chris_n +1 11:19 kmkale sooner the better 11:19 rangi wait til march to announce the vote? 11:19 tajoli yes, vote on Koha2011 hould be announced. 11:19 joann open voting like we did with set up og koha sub committee of hlt 11:18 ColinC Some folk are very pro Asia but its hard to judge between e.g. Mumbai or Nepal 11:18 thd We should announce a vote at the next IRC meeting along with roles. 11:18 davi thd++ 11:18 joann well we should that then 11:18 indradg thd, ++1 11:18 joann ok. 11:18 thd Votes have should be announced. 11:18 rangi KohaCon2011 Proposals location and dates discussion 11:18 rangi not a vote wasnt 11:18 irmaB Political stability needs to be considered too 11:17 rangi i dont think thats fair 11:17 joann given that it was clearly on the agenda? 11:17 joann are we of a mind to take a vote tonight? 11:17 rangi it needs to be done soon 11:17 rangi and since it takes a long time to organise 11:17 kmkale plus there is Diwali season. So a most appropriate time to visit India 11:17 rangi has to figure out some way we are going to decide 11:17 rangi where someone is not me 11:17 kmkale thd: I am in Thane and yes in Oct/Nov no monsoons in Mumbai 11:17 rangi ok, so i think someone 11:16 indradg thd, I'm in Calcutta 11:16 wasabi_love Brooke_: yep, i think pakistan bid is withdrawn 11:16 jcamins not_experiencing_a_monsoon++ 11:16 thd indradg: Are you in a monsoon free area in Thane? 11:16 kmkale For Mumbai, monsoon is over by september 11:16 indradg thd, plus major festival season in india... ala christmas holidays 11:16 joann thats a good reason 11:15 indradg thd, the monsoons 11:15 rangi Oak: pakistan have withdrawn the bid, in favour of nepal 11:15 Brooke_ Pakistan is Nepal now, unless I missed something. Yes? 11:15 thd ? 11:15 thd Is there any reason that two options are Nov. - Dec. instead of Oct. - Nov. 11:15 slef kmkale: ;-) 11:15 Oak bid Pakistan 11:15 kmkale slef: I said Asia. 11:14 SandeepBhavsar VPM Thane India 11:14 joann what slef said 11:14 joann what he said 11:14 slef SandeepBhavsar: where are you looking that up? 11:14 slef kmkale: the UK's never had it either and the one in Paris was shorter/smaller IIRC. 11:14 SandeepBhavsar ya its average 11:14 joann will have to be a vote of some sort I guess ... 11:14 rangi no one from the nepal bid here? 11:14 kmkale SandeepBhavsar: for October? 11:13 SandeepBhavsar US to India low fare $1100 11:13 kmkale Asia's never had it. So.. 11:13 indradg thd, ^^ 11:13 kf joann: no, it stores facts 11:13 indradg Albany, Newark usually has the lowest to India 11:13 indradg thd, depends a bit on the port of departure 11:12 joann :D 11:12 joann i thought the kiwis just claimed it 11:12 wasabi_love we voted via IRC for KohaCon2010, i think? 11:12 thd indradg: Do you have any insight into low air fare to India from the US? 11:12 indradg lol 11:12 gbengaadara Could we do the FIFA way? Decide 2011 & 2012 11:12 * druthb recuses. 11:12 kmkale s/Inia/India/ 11:12 * indradg would like to visit UK sometime :) 11:12 joann it thins slef is a genius (does slef control it I wonder?) 11:12 kmkale I woould be happy to answer any queries about VPM, Thane, Inia bid 11:11 jcamins joann: yes, I think wahanui used to be ibot. 11:11 slef (the 2011 bid is West Country) 11:11 joann so we have to decide between 4 11:11 slef I'd also be interested in whether people would prefer to be in the West Country or Edinburgh, in case we bid again for 2012. 11:11 indradg I can talk for the Kolkata, India bid 11:11 wasabi_love the olde fashioned way. an IRC vote? 11:11 joann but i guess not 11:11 joann do any wish to withdraw their bids? 11:11 rangi theres 4 in the mix now joann, so 3 will miss out 11:10 joann isn't wahanui a robot? 11:10 joann I understand that all sites really want to host it - but 2 are not going to be able to 11:10 slef I'm happy to point at the wiki page which includes details for the UK bid and take any questions, but most of my other questions are on the wiki or email. 11:10 wahanui slef is probably an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge 11:10 davi slef? 11:10 indradg Brooke_, lol ++! 11:09 Brooke_ the olde fashioned way. A cage match to the death. 11:09 indradg how are we choosing the location? 11:09 joann how are we going to choose kohacon location? 11:09 kmkale I have no idea how this is decided, but would love to see ya all in India for KohaCon11 11:09 davi s/patche/patch/ 11:09 davi #action rangi to mentor davi to review a patche awaiting signoff, if davi needs help to work out that task 11:08 rangi who wants to speak to this? 11:08 rangi #topic Kohacon11 11:07 rangi righto 11:07 slef because the rest of that is still on my todo 11:07 rangi someone send out a reminder email about the meeting <-- happened also 11:07 slef #action slef, nengard and wizzyrea to work on ideas to make newsletter production easier 11:06 rangi ricardo has just volunteered to set up the page for the meeting <-- was done 11:06 slef #action slef to ask nengard and owen about the tutorial on rebasing others patches 11:06 rangi newsletter moved to 25th, slef and nengard to work on ideas to make it less onerous <-- move happened 11:06 rangi brooke with the help of wizzyrea and others to start on a draft code of conduct/ social contract thingy <-- happened 11:06 rangi that happened 11:06 rangi chris_n send an email to the devel list if there is anything we need to know about 3.2.x 11:05 thd OK 11:05 rangi #action someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance 11:05 rangi thd still going through last meetings action points 11:05 thd There was some discussion just after the last meeting on the issue of license upgrade for OpenNCIP. 11:04 Brooke_ someone-- 11:04 rangi someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance <-- didnt happen 11:04 rangi no owen or nengard, so no idea if that one happened 11:04 slef rangi: oops. 11:03 rangi #action hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement 11:03 rangi anyone can do an #action 11:03 rangi good idea 11:03 slef rangi: should undone ones be put as #action again? 11:03 rangi did this happen? 11:03 rangi nengard to ask owen about a tutorial on rebasing others patches 11:02 rangi hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement < --- still to be done 11:02 rangi the action points are there 11:02 rangi #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-01-05-22.01.html 11:02 slef kf: np, lots get it wrong. Only project contributors are members. 11:02 irmaB students from Albany high school gave apresentation 11:01 rangi #topic action points from last meeting 11:01 kf slef: ok, to correct myself - page says asscociated projects... 11:01 irmaB at the Linux conference in Brisbane last week 11:01 rangi ok thats all i have on that 11:01 rangi it seems 11:01 rangi only the chair can change topic 11:00 * chris_n pings huginn 11:00 rangi #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work 11:00 rangi hmm 11:00 rangi #link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/01/22/os-academy-a-big-success-for-koha/ 11:00 slef #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work 11:00 chris_n rangi: link? 11:00 kf they are a member of SPI 11:00 kf seems there are a member 10:59 kf http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/ 10:59 thd As long as their software is as harmonious as the mission I am happy :) 10:59 wasabi_love http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 10:59 rangi the next topic on the agenda was mine, but i think ill just point people to my blogpost on it instead 10:59 slef more comments/questions? move on? 10:59 wasabi_love if OFTC is good enuff for the debian-project , its prolly good enuff for us 10:59 Brooke_ their mission looks harmonious to our aims. 10:58 slef thd: not as far as I know. It's an SPI associated project aiming to run a communications network. http://www.oftc.net/ 10:57 irmaB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFTC 10:57 rangi yes 10:57 davi I think OFTC is under the Software for Public Interest umbrella , isn't it? 10:57 rangi no 10:57 thd Will I be banned for changing my nic when away? 10:57 thd * You may not reregister 10:57 thd * You are now known as thd 10:57 thd * You are now known as thd-away 10:56 thd Does OFTC have any problematic policies or practices? 10:56 davi yes, even OFTC is even a better move than Free Node options IMHO 10:56 rangi he no longer works for citylink, where the server is, so we dont have someone we can pester 10:56 rangi 11:38 <@si> yup, I think oftc is probably a better home for koha 10:55 rangi i have talked with si 10:55 rangi yes 10:54 hdl it is up again. 10:54 kmkale ok 10:54 rangi cna we table the TT talk til after the meeting please 10:54 slef Have we heard from katipo about their IRC server? 10:54 kmkale how does move to TT affect current WIP? 10:54 wasabi_love http://template-toolkit.org/ 10:54 chris_n that's it 10:53 chris_n but life does move on 10:53 chris_n which imho is not always the best move 10:53 chris_n it's a step away from the historical norm 10:53 rangi wasabi_love: pay attention ;) we covered it in the 3.4 item :) 10:53 chris_n I would only like to add that I do think the move is a sad necessity 10:53 slef The Template Toolkit (TT) is a fast and flexible template engine used primarily for building web sites but also suitable for any type of digital document creation like PDF or LaTeX. Template Toolkit, or TT for short, is based on a mini-language, rather than allowing direct perl like some of its competitors like Mason. This forces developers to only have presentation logic in... http://a.vu/w:Template_Toolkit 10:52 wasabi_love chris_n: w0w, ok - ill ask later about that… 10:52 slef joann: new templating system 10:52 joann thanks 10:52 slef joann: template toolkit 10:52 joann (as the risk of appearing stupid: what is TT?) 10:52 rangi chris_n: you added this to the agenda, do you have more to add? 10:52 rangi chris hall has done the work, not me, i just supervised 10:52 chris_n no need to wait imho 10:51 chris_n its in qa atm 10:51 chris_n wasabi_love: chris has done the work already 10:51 wasabi_love or should we wait until after 3.6, to do that stuff? 10:51 rangi davi: sad move, but probably nessecary 10:51 rangi wasabi_love: thats for 3.4 10:50 wasabi_love any plans for big html::template to TT rewrite before 3.6? 10:50 davi Very good move! 10:50 rangi this was a late addition to the agenda 10:50 rangi #topic irc move 10:49 rangi feel free to pester me anytime about release management 10:48 rangi anything else about 3.6? 10:47 rangi #action brooke to send an email 10:46 rangi #agreed roles for 3.6 to be decided at the march general meeting 10:46 tajoli +1 10:46 wasabi_love march it is… :) 10:45 indradg +1 10:45 slef 10:45 slef 0 10:45 gbengaadara +1 10:44 wasabi_love ++1 10:44 kf +1 10:44 thd +1 10:44 joann +1 10:44 chris_n +1 10:44 jwagner +1 10:44 ColinC +1 10:44 Oak +-1 10:44 sekjal +1 10:44 Brooke_ March +1 10:44 jcamins +1 10:44 druthb +1 10:44 rangi +1 from me 10:43 rangi s/how/who/ 10:43 * Brooke_ points to Zipf's principle. 10:43 rangi ok, so how likes the idea of deciding in the march general meeting? 10:43 Brooke_ thd people will always wait longer 10:43 thd The longer we wait the more time there is to draft people into roles whether they want them or not :) 10:43 Brooke_ to devel or general? 10:43 hdl rangi: you did 10:43 rangi yes its possible 10:43 Brooke_ that's dogsbody work 10:43 Brooke_ I'll do that 10:42 slef ugh, not possible to do it in General...March? 10:42 rangi i think i did one, or i might have just dreamed it 10:42 rangi pointing to the roles page 10:42 rangi who would like to send out an email 10:42 kf so people considering it know 10:41 kf having the team before branch makes sense to me - so it would be early march or an extraordinary meeting. we should note the date on the wiki page anyway. 10:41 rangi #idea special meeting to decide 3.6 Release team 10:41 hdl But one month to think about a proposal is fine i think 10:41 hdl to vote 10:41 hdl We could have an extraordinary meeting 10:41 chris_n either way is workable though imho 10:40 hdl even late march.... Will be before april meeting. 10:40 rangi but will be before the april meeting 10:40 rangi will be late march 10:40 Brooke_ another month should be plenty of consideration 10:40 chris_n true 10:40 kf good point 10:40 Brooke_ I agree hdl 10:40 hdl if branch is to be done middle of march... maybe having realase manager for 3.6 could be good for March 10:39 jwagner Yes, the regular April meeting 10:39 * Brooke_ wonders if we are running Senatorial timelines now... 10:39 chris_n perhaps at the april general meeting 10:39 jwagner So the vote could be at the beginning of April, to give people a bit longer to think about it. 10:38 kf meetings are beginning of march or april 10:38 rangi april 22 10:38 jwagner when is 3.4 due for release again? Ideally the 3.6 team should be in place at that point. 10:37 * rangi doesnt have an answer 10:37 rangi good question 10:37 kf when will we vote? next meeting? 10:37 rangi ok, does anyone have anything about 3.6 roles? 10:34 ColinC proposed/scheduled 10:34 chris_n proposed 10:33 hdl slated ? 10:33 rangi #info If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly 10:32 ColinC If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly 10:32 rangi people should throw their names in the ring on that page 10:31 rangi speaking of 3.6 10:31 rangi of course if you miss 3.4, at least 3.6 is only another 6 months away 10:31 wasabi_love man, i'm *really* looking forward to using Koha+TT 10:31 * chris_n thinks its going to get mighty busy very soon :) 10:31 Brooke_ so if you have a feature nao or next week :) 10:30 hdl kmkale: and qaed 10:30 rangi kmkale: approx yes 10:30 rangi hdl: thats why we are testing that already :) 10:30 indradg +1 for 2 week for translations 10:30 kmkale so about 6 to 7 weeks for new features to be submitted AND signed off 10:30 tajoli We can see the number only after TT translation 10:30 hdl rangi: hopefully, we won't find bugs in the translation of template toolkit... But we may have. 10:29 kf if we start early enough and tell people to start 1 week should be ok 10:29 kf not_waiting++ 10:29 kf 1 week can be enough, but 2 weeks are better 10:29 chris_n not_waiting++ 10:29 rangi that should be just finishing off 10:29 kf I think it depends on the number of strings 10:29 rangi but we shouldnt be waiting until then to start translating 10:28 chris_n as long as we branch off that should not be too bad heh? 10:28 hdl But if soon announced, ppl can be prepared well enough. 10:28 tajoli In fact yes, two week is a minimun for a transaltion 10:28 rangi which is end of march 10:28 rangi will mean a 4 week feature freeze 10:27 hdl translators should be provided two weeks for their work imha 10:27 kmkale k 10:27 rangi will firm those up and announce 10:27 indradg sorry late for the meeting 10:27 rangi not firm ones, i have in mind 3 weeks for feature freeze 1 week for string freeze 10:26 kmkale rangi have you decided on any last dates for features etc for 3.4? 10:25 rangi we are halfway through 3.4 .. time to start thinking about 3.6 10:25 kmkale :( 10:25 kmkale i could help testing simple ones/ 10:25 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.6 10:25 rangi #topic Roles for 3.6 10:24 rangi if there is nothing else shall we move on to the next agenda item? 10:24 davi me too, except nights 10:23 rangi im pretty much always here :) 10:23 rangi cool 10:23 davi rangi, I will ask or contact you if I need help 10:23 wasabi_love yep, no probs irma 10:23 kmkale i could help testing simple ones 10:23 rangi does anyone have any questions? 10:23 rangi i think thats about all from me 10:23 irmaB davi ++ 10:22 wasabi_love im hoping to have a quiet next few weeks 10:22 rangi cool 10:22 davi rangi, I could try to review one, to learn how to do it 10:22 irmaB yep me too with Mason's help 10:22 rangi #action sekjal and wasabi_love will spend some time organising bugs 10:22 wasabi_love yep, me too 10:22 rangi thanks sekjal 10:22 sekjal I can throw a couple hours at it over the next few weeks 10:22 rangi etc 10:21 rangi marking those that are invalid as such 10:21 rangi do we have any volunteers to sort through the bugs with patches awaiting signoff? changing severity where it makes sense? 10:20 rangi that is coming along well 10:20 rangi kf, oleonard, and fredericd have been testing the template work 10:20 wasabi_love ooh, Koha is listed on branchable.com 's front-page 10:19 hdl severity could be a first order 10:19 rangi good idea 10:19 ColinC might be worth flagging up somethings as priorities if they are 10:19 kf qa_mails++ 10:18 rangi highlighting patches that are critical etc 10:18 Brooke_ irmaB++ 10:18 rangi i will however try to send out mails to koha-devel 10:18 irmaB have you already discussed teaching others how to test? 10:18 kf I think it's a good idea and would try to participate 10:18 rangi but i wont have time to organise it 10:17 rangi i think its a good idea, for the patches sitting in the needing signoff queue 10:17 chris_n or test-fest 10:17 chris_n any more thoughts about a QA-fest sort of activity? 10:17 rangi (you may have seen one i reformatted today) 10:16 rangi there will be a press release later this week, but biblibre have contracted catalyst to do some qa and reformatting of their patches 10:15 rangi see the depends on links there 10:15 huginn 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements 10:15 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 10:14 rangi work is under way to make the biblibre patches easier to qa 10:13 irmaB hi all - Irma Birchall from CALYX - sorry for the late login 10:13 slef #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 10:13 rangi patches needing signoff there 10:13 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 10:13 slef #note <rangi> what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff 10:12 rangi so i might start sending mails out, maybe 1 a week with a list of patches id like looked at 10:12 wasabi_love rangi: url please? 10:12 rangi what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff 10:11 rangi ok, 3.4 is still on schedule 10:11 joann 3.4 update 10:11 joann moving on folks 10:11 davi ack rangi 10:11 kmkale :) 10:11 davi Are allowed anyway? 10:11 rangi moving on davi 10:10 davi Are ads allowed here along a meeting? 10:10 rangi #topic update on 3.4 10:10 rangi and so this discussion, so moving on 10:10 slef ColinC: it's still off-topic. 10:10 ColinC Its the community's achievement slef 10:09 slef *sigh* I'm glad you're building on the co-op's decade-ish of work, but can we keep company news releases out of the community meeting, please? There are other venues for that. 10:09 rangi righto, anyone have anything to add for 3.0.x ? 10:08 hdl nothing new. Still have to do it 10:08 wasabi_love ok , thanks 10:07 rangi hdl: you have anything for this? 10:07 ColinC First UK Public to go Koha goes live on Thursday on 3.2.3 Thanks all 10:07 rangi #topic update on 3.0.x 10:06 wasabi_love or something else? 10:06 chris_n HEAD 10:06 rangi id say head 10:06 wasabi_love chris_n: test commits from the HEAD of the 3.2 branch, or the latest 3.2 tag? 10:06 * kf Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:05 chris_n s/all/everyone/ 10:05 chris_n thanks to all who's work has made 3.2.x maintenance run smoothly 10:05 sekjal great work, chris_n, on the regular, on-time releases! 10:05 rangi cool ... anything else about 3.2.x anyone? 10:04 rangi #info if patches are to be applied on 3.2.x please test they apply cleanly on that branch 10:04 rangi #info please mark patches as applicable for 3.4 only if that is the case 10:03 chris_n this is something the submitter could do 10:03 chris_n marking them as applicable only to 3.4 would help as well :) 10:03 chris_n of course 10:03 chris_n right :) 10:03 rangi (if they are bugfixes applicable to 3.2 eh?) 10:03 chris_n and if necessary, fixup and submit with [3.2.x] in the subject line 10:02 chris_n please be sure to test application of patches against the 3.2.x branch prior to submitting 10:02 chris_n only one 10:02 rangi nothing anyone can do to make your life easier? 10:02 hdl congrats 10:01 rangi :) 10:01 chris_n And that's all. 10:01 chris_n We are 12 commits toward the release of 3.2.4 on 22 Feb. 10:01 chris_n 3.2.3 was released on 22 Jan as scheduled thanks to the hard work of developers, QA, and the 3.4 RM. 10:01 chris_n 3.2.x maintenance continues to move along well. 10:01 chris_n right 10:01 rangi over to your chris_n 10:01 rangi #topic Update on 3.2 10:01 rangi right, will move on then 10:00 rangi anyone else? 10:00 SandeepBhavsar Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian VPM's Dr. V N Bedekar Management Institute, Thane 10:00 * wasabi_love -> Mason James, KohaAloha, NZ 09:59 * slef is MJ Ray, worker-owner of software.coop 09:59 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 09:58 kmkale Koustubha Kale Anant Coorporation, VPM, Thane and Granthalaya.org 09:58 * davi is Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop 09:58 ColinC Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd 09:58 Nate_ Nate: Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions 09:58 joann Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ 09:58 * sekjal is Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 09:58 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA 09:58 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions 09:58 AG AG is known as Amit Gupta Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore 09:58 jwagner Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 09:58 * druthb is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 09:58 * chris_n is Chris Nighswonger, release maintainer 3.2 09:58 * hdl Henri-Damien LAURENT, release maintainer 3.0 09:58 * rangi is chris cormack, release manager 3.4 09:58 rangi #topic Introductions 09:57 * chris_n feels a bit better about just having dsl outages to deal with now 09:57 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 09:57 huginn Meeting started Wed Feb 2 10:00:46 2011 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:57 rangi #startmeeting 09:57 slef argh! some idiot has set a fire nearby! I may have to move in a moment 09:55 chris_n two dsl's down first thing is *not* a nice way to start the day :-P 09:54 Brooke_ cheeky huginn, cheeky. 09:52 * chris_n2 drags in with a box of tissues and a cold :( 09:52 kmkale these bots are fun 09:52 joann wot? 09:52 kmkale :) 09:52 huginn joann: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 09:52 joann @cirbic ; we will be a meeting, you welcme to join us but we do have an agenda to get through 09:51 cirbic I´ll leave the connection open 09:51 cirbic I´ll come back in 20 minutes 09:51 cirbic I´ve to go to put inventory stickers 09:50 cirbic conecction dropped 09:50 cirbic hello again 09:49 Brooke_ wb cirbic 09:49 kmkale wb cirbic 09:49 Brooke_ he mighta dcd 09:49 rangi heh 09:49 kmkale rangi you did not convince him 09:49 rangi the koha community works in the open, transparency is one of our principles 09:49 joann i'd have ya back in a heart beat mate 09:49 * Brooke_ approves of slef. 09:48 Brooke_ hehehe 09:48 * slef runs 09:48 slef joann: where we decide to return to NZ for kohacon11? 09:48 cirbic ok 09:48 cirbic o 09:48 joann we might have to have an 'exciting' meeting to keep me awake :) 09:48 rangi here 09:48 cirbic rangi: the meeting will be here at the channel or you will open a private conversation? 09:48 Nate_ mornin 09:48 joann i'm yawning already 09:48 * Brooke_ waves to nate 09:46 cirbic with a lot of questions 09:46 rangi is the agenda 09:46 jcamins sekjal: *technically*, yes. 09:46 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011 09:45 cirbic a new librarian who is trying to get it started in my library 09:45 Brooke_ attend enough of these, it'll skyrocket. 09:45 rangi good way to learn ;) 09:45 sekjal morning, jcamins 09:45 cirbic I think my level of knowledgment about koha is very low 09:45 jcamins Greetings, #koha 09:44 Brooke_ oi 09:44 slef hi all 09:44 * Brooke_ nods 09:44 rangi but you are welcome to participate 09:44 cirbic I think meeting is about koha? 09:44 rangi so if people stay on topic i will get some sleep :) 09:44 * Brooke_ comforts rangi 09:44 rangi and i have work tomorrow 09:44 rangi but there will be an agenda 09:44 cirbic just hear 09:44 Brooke_ sit down 09:44 cirbic ah 09:44 rangi no 09:43 cirbic I supposed I´ve to leave it 09:43 rangi yes 09:43 cirbic rangi: the meeting is in the channel? 09:43 Brooke_ \/\/00+ 09:43 cirbic yeah 09:43 Brooke_ cirbic: can I borrow the car mate? 09:42 joann its wednesday night here 09:42 cirbic I´ll take just 20 minutes 09:42 rangi cirbic: we have a meeting in 15 minutes, thats why people are here 09:42 Brooke_ but you'd have to drive into tomorrow. 09:42 cirbic and drive to nz 09:42 cirbic well I´ll take my car 09:42 * sekjal blinks, trying follow everything, while the first pot of coffee gets going 09:41 Brooke_ I has blog proofs. 09:41 cirbic just 12 hours from spain to nz 09:41 Brooke_ ye're up later than this 09:41 * Brooke_ titters 09:41 joann gettin a bit blimmin late 09:41 joann 10.44pm in NZ 09:41 Sandeep_Bhavsar India Mumbai 15.15 09:41 Brooke_ the kiwis are up at night 09:41 * Brooke_ is a dirty rotten stinkin' Yank. 09:40 cirbic do you work at night or you cant sleep? 09:40 Brooke_ noper 09:40 cirbic 04.41 at nz? 09:40 joann dropped my connection here 09:39 Brooke_ hua! 09:39 Brooke_ 0441 09:38 cirbic here at spain 10.41 AM 09:38 cirbic what time is where you live? 09:38 cirbic :D 09:38 Brooke_ we all wish it, that's the same, no? 09:37 cirbic you all live in nz? 09:36 sekjal morning, Brooke 09:36 cirbic wasabi is gone? 09:36 Brooke_ oi ian 09:36 Brooke_ negative 09:35 jransom brooke: yu seen the map og USA with yasi superimposed over it? 09:33 Sandeep_Bhavsar good afternoon 09:33 Sandeep_Bhavsar yes kousthubha 09:33 cirbic that yosi looks bad 09:33 kmkale hi sandeep 09:33 kmkale hi amit 09:32 wahanui i already had it that way, Sandeep_Bhavsar. 09:32 Sandeep_Bhavsar yes kmkale is right 09:32 AG heya kmkale 09:31 kmkale ouch yasi looks worse than katrina 09:31 wasabi_love yasi has a 100km eye 09:29 cirbic and I take the ocassion to thank you all the support you gave me 09:29 rangi http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/02/02/1225998/565195-nwe-cyclone-comparison.jpg 09:28 * Brooke_ s eyes widen looking at the sat on Yasi... 09:27 * kf waves to cirbic :) 09:27 cirbic :D 09:27 cirbic that is why what I besiege you with questions 09:26 Sandeep_Bhavsar hi Brooke 09:26 Brooke_ hi sandeep 09:26 wasabi_love ive seen a few of those in my time 09:26 Brooke_ niyayo 09:26 wasabi_love actually lots of libraries just have an excel spreadsheet, lol 09:25 Brooke_ indeed 09:25 wasabi_love but, hey.. a very common situation 09:25 Brooke_ oh dear. 09:25 wasabi_love lucky you :/ 09:24 cirbic just a ACCESS database 09:24 cirbic we´ve never had an OPAC 09:24 cirbic and for the OPAC 09:24 cirbic for the library management 09:23 cirbic I want to use koha 09:23 kmkale hi 09:23 * Brooke_ waves to kmkale 09:23 cirbic and now the works in the building are over 09:23 cirbic during 2010 we´ve made a new building for library and computer center 09:22 Brooke_ that's like twice in about 50 years. 09:22 Brooke_ ooof school's out at UIUC 09:22 cirbic :D 09:21 Brooke_ wouldn't want to have to catalogue em, though XD 09:21 * Brooke_ thinks those are oft the best 09:21 cirbic ~2000 books 09:21 cirbic it´s a small specialized librar 09:20 cirbic I work in the library of the PSA 09:20 wasabi_love cirbic: that is *very* interesting! 09:20 jransom $42 mid winter power bill - yee hah! 09:20 Brooke_ solar ++ 09:20 jransom I love solar too 09:20 cirbic even better than americans! 09:19 Brooke_ <3 solar 09:19 AG heya wasabi_love 09:19 cirbic We´re the best site in the world for solar thermal technology development 09:19 wasabi_love i do some koha support and development in NZ 09:19 cirbic yes It´s nice 09:18 cirbic college library...? 09:18 wasabi_love cirbic: psa looks nice! :) 09:18 cirbic a public library 09:18 cirbic in which library do you work ? 09:17 Brooke_ he can't see the bot/human relationship working out favourably 09:17 wasabi_love oooh, i've offended wahanui :/ 09:17 cirbic http://www.psa.es 09:16 cirbic here is where I work 09:16 cirbic as I said I´m in Spain 09:16 Brooke_ hheheheh 09:16 wahanui wasabi_love: what? 09:16 wasabi_love wahanui: i love you 09:16 Brooke_ kia ora 09:16 wasabi_love i'm from NZ 09:16 cirbic where are you? 09:15 cirbic or better 09:15 cirbic where are you from? 09:15 wasabi_love i love you 09:15 wahanui yes, wasabi_love? 09:15 wasabi_love wahanui 09:15 wasabi_love cirbic: fyi - wahanui is a bot ;) 09:14 cirbic how are you 09:12 cirbic nice to meet you everybody again 09:12 cirbic greetings from almeria (spain) 09:12 wahanui hi, cirbic 09:12 cirbic hello 09:02 AG heya hdl, Oak 08:54 Oak \o 08:13 AG jransom 08:09 jransom hiya Amit 08:08 AG heya AG= Amit Gupta 08:08 wasabi_love heya amit 08:08 wasabi_love in japan its probably authentic stuff 08:08 AG heya kf 08:07 kf AG = Amit? 08:07 wasabi_love well, most wasabi in NZ is fake... 08:07 AG heya wasabhi_love 08:06 wasabi_love its a bit grainier than the stuff in NZ, more like pesto? 08:06 wasabi_love i made a point of eating different types of wasabi when in japan 08:04 wasabi_love … says teh interweb 08:04 wasabi_love most wasabi is fake, horseradish and green/yellow food-coloring :/ 08:03 wasabi_love apparently very few people have actually tasted *real* wasabi 08:00 jransom (rolls eyes) 08:00 wasabi_love the best kinda luv!!! 07:59 wasabi_love hot_love… its a little joke.. :) 07:58 wasabi_love wasabi is hot 07:57 kf I can understand that 07:57 kf wasabi_love: ok :) 07:56 jransom hiya kf, wasabi and chris 07:56 jransom I love wasabi too 07:55 wasabi_love i love wasabi :) 07:55 wasabi_love ahh, there are 2 'koha-devel' lists there… 07:54 kf love? *wonders* 07:54 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/info.html 07:54 wasabi_love heya kf 07:54 wasabi_love really ? 07:54 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/info.html 07:53 rangi cant change that 07:53 wasabi_love ive noticed a lot of the mailing-list archive sites are still pointing to the old 'lists.koha.org' url 07:53 kf wasabi_love? 07:53 kf kia ora jransom :) 07:51 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/msg02937.html 07:51 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/msg02922.html 07:51 wasabi_love classic .... 07:45 jransom Kia ora ! 07:07 francharb hi all 07:02 snail but I'm happy to share my XSLT once it's done 07:02 huginn 04Bug 5666: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, regexp edits to URL fields in bibliographic edit screens 07:02 snail rangi: it looks like the work I work http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5666 for is going to end up being done using MARCXML and XSLT instead 06:55 kf ok, irc settings corrected 06:54 kf t 06:54 kf good morning #koha ;) 06:33 rangi hmm no ronald .. i hope the solomon islands didnt get pounded too badly 06:28 snail cool 06:28 rangi it is 06:27 snail is this the correct new channel? 06:27 rangi http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/storms/yasi-us-australia-crop.gif 06:27 rangi poor old australia 06:14 kmkale :) 06:14 AG yes AG means Amit Gupta ur right 06:11 kmkale hi AG == Amit Gupta? 06:10 AG heya kmkale 06:09 AG heya all 05:59 cait getting ready for work - bbl 05:59 cait np 05:59 kmkale thanks cait 05:58 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Free_sample_MARC_data 05:57 cait kmkale: there is apage on the wiki about free marc records 05:50 kmkale are there any downlodable collections of MARC records available for testing? I need records with ISBN's 05:50 cait hm, some records are saved to the reservoir with every search I think 05:49 cait kmkale: I think in cataloging it's not possible at the moment 05:48 kmkale is there any way I can do multiple imports from a z39 search? 05:47 cait morning kmkale :) 05:47 kmkale hi cait 05:45 cait good morning #koha :) 05:37 Ahmuck__ nite 05:16 pianohacker headed out, see you guys later 05:14 * wasabi_love catches a train, ciao folks 04:43 rangi Bbiab 04:41 rangi Hasn't been decided yet 04:39 rangi But something like that 04:38 rangi contribs.koha.org was the old site, but we have no real attachment to the software that ran it 04:38 rangi Etc 04:37 rangi Or chrome extensions, or misc scripts 04:37 rangi A place where ppl can upload things like firefox extensions 04:37 Ahmuck_ what is contribs.koha-community.org? 04:35 rangi Is contribs.koha-community.org set up somewhere 04:34 rangi What we do need 04:34 Ahmuck_ think i have extra disk space, but were using xfs for server grade expansion 04:34 Ahmuck_ np 04:33 rangi So not an actual problem to solve 04:33 rangi And integrated with the main website 04:33 rangi But like I say, its being done somewhere already 04:32 rangi And tell the builder to build there 04:31 rangi nope but its easy enough to get another chunk of disk off linode and mount it 04:30 Ahmuck_ r u using xfs? 04:29 rangi Which is fine, but it would need more disk, which is easy enough to buy but since its coming off my visa I wasn't that motivated :) 04:28 rangi They are already being built elsewhere someone had an idea to move them to hudson like the pdfs (and the code builds) 04:28 Ahmuck_ kk 04:27 rangi no we have plenty of them, I was just saying I can't have hudson (the buildserver) building them without more disk 04:25 Ahmuck_ so just need a web host? 04:23 rangi Good thanks, u? 04:23 pianohacker How's it going? 04:23 pianohacker Hey chris 04:23 rangi Hi pianohacker 04:20 rangi Channel is publicly logged 04:20 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-02-02#i_591510 04:19 Ahmuck_ my connection at home is bad 04:19 Ahmuck_ sorry, i'm at home. logs are at work i suppose 04:19 rangi Ahmuck: check the logs 04:16 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (9:20 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 04:16 indradg @weather kolkata 04:07 Ahmuck_ rangi: so what were u hoping to host on your linode? 04:07 Ahmuck_ k, back finally 03:57 wasabi_love ccode: p 03:57 wasabi_love ccode:w didnt make a difference, rebuilding with ccode:p 03:50 wasabi_love http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html#querymodel-pqf-apt-mapping 03:50 wasabi_love ah, spotted the doco... 03:47 wasabi_love yeah, was my hunch... 03:47 rangi phrase 03:47 rangi word 03:47 rangi sort 03:47 rangi numeric 03:46 wasabi_love meh, i cant find what the n,s,w,p attribs do in the zebra doco, for record.abs :/ 03:43 rangi brrrrr 03:43 gmcharlt rangi: flying there tomorrow, I hope 03:42 rangi are you in toronto now? or heading there gmcharlt ? 03:41 huginn kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 24.0�C (8:40 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 03:41 kmkale @weather Mumbai 03:41 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is -7.0�C (10:00 PM EST on February 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 03:41 gmcharlt @wunder YYZ 03:38 kmkale few people still hanging out in the katipo server channel 03:37 kmkale :) 03:37 wasabi_love kmkale: close one ;) 03:34 kmkale I seem to have two #koha's open presently :( 03:34 kmkale namaskar #koha 03:18 wasabi_love i'll reindex and test.. 03:18 wasabi_love ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 03:17 wasabi_love ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w 03:17 wasabi_love mason@xen1:~/g/head$ grep -ir melm ./*|grep ccode 03:16 wasabi_love interesting, the unimarc def. of ccode has a 'w' attrib, but not the marc21 def. 03:05 wasabi_love ill look about for some doco from indexdata.... 03:04 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode:s 03:04 wasabi_love or a string, even? 03:04 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode:w 03:03 wasabi_love it might need to be defined as.. 03:03 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode 03:03 wasabi_love current def. for ccode in record.abs is.. 03:01 wasabi_love hmm, same result-count, and same bug too 02:57 wasabi_love ta, ill have a looky 02:57 rangi and 2/ it might fix this 02:57 wasabi_love ie: i cant see Koha sneaking in any wildcard stuff, when calling zebrasrv 02:57 rangi 1/ you will get much better results in general anyway 02:56 rangi try turning that off 02:56 wahanui i think queryautotruncate is cait's usual suspect when something goes wrong 02:56 rangi queryautotruncate 02:56 rangi check your systempreferences 02:56 rangi im not sure that will do anything 02:56 wasabi_love the query to ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN() looks clean 02:55 rangi ? 02:55 wasabi_love i need to correct the 'ccode' definition in record.abs, i think 02:54 rangi check your sysprefs 02:54 rangi yeah if you have auto truncation on it will do that 02:54 wasabi_love so limiting on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI) is bringing up 'MATAHI_X' records, too 02:53 wasabi_love koha seems to be doing soem sort of 'right-wildcard' search? 02:52 wasabi_love ive bumped into a weird bug, searching using a CCODE limit... 01:16 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values 01:16 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch build #6: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch/6/ 01:10 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values 01:10 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #56: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/56/ 01:07 pianohacker the 9-character nick gestapo has been overthrown! 01:00 hudsonbot Starting build 6 for job Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:00 hudsonbot Starting build 56 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:11 rangi nothing that is urgent, or couldnt be done elsewhere 00:10 rangi it was more making hudson build more things like html pages for the manual etc 00:09 Ahmuck_ rangi: what else were you hoping to host?