Time Nick Message 00:09 Ahmuck_ rangi: what else were you hoping to host? 00:10 rangi it was more making hudson build more things like html pages for the manual etc 00:11 rangi nothing that is urgent, or couldnt be done elsewhere 01:00 hudsonbot Starting build 56 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:00 hudsonbot Starting build 6 for job Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:07 pianohacker the 9-character nick gestapo has been overthrown! 01:10 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #56: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/56/ 01:10 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values 01:16 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch build #6: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch/6/ 01:16 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values 02:52 wasabi_love ive bumped into a weird bug, searching using a CCODE limit... 02:53 wasabi_love koha seems to be doing soem sort of 'right-wildcard' search? 02:54 wasabi_love so limiting on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI) is bringing up 'MATAHI_X' records, too 02:54 rangi yeah if you have auto truncation on it will do that 02:54 rangi check your sysprefs 02:55 wasabi_love i need to correct the 'ccode' definition in record.abs, i think 02:55 rangi ? 02:56 wasabi_love the query to ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN() looks clean 02:56 rangi im not sure that will do anything 02:56 rangi check your systempreferences 02:56 rangi queryautotruncate 02:56 wahanui i think queryautotruncate is cait's usual suspect when something goes wrong 02:56 rangi try turning that off 02:57 rangi 1/ you will get much better results in general anyway 02:57 wasabi_love ie: i cant see Koha sneaking in any wildcard stuff, when calling zebrasrv 02:57 rangi and 2/ it might fix this 02:57 wasabi_love ta, ill have a looky 03:01 wasabi_love hmm, same result-count, and same bug too 03:03 wasabi_love current def. for ccode in record.abs is.. 03:03 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode 03:03 wasabi_love it might need to be defined as.. 03:04 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode:w 03:04 wasabi_love or a string, even? 03:04 wasabi_love melm 952$8 ccode:s 03:05 wasabi_love ill look about for some doco from indexdata.... 03:16 wasabi_love interesting, the unimarc def. of ccode has a 'w' attrib, but not the marc21 def. 03:17 wasabi_love mason@xen1:~/g/head$ grep -ir melm ./*|grep ccode 03:17 wasabi_love ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w 03:18 wasabi_love ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 03:18 wasabi_love i'll reindex and test.. 03:34 kmkale namaskar #koha 03:34 kmkale I seem to have two #koha's open presently :( 03:37 wasabi_love kmkale: close one ;) 03:37 kmkale :) 03:38 kmkale few people still hanging out in the katipo server channel 03:41 gmcharlt @wunder YYZ 03:41 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is -7.0�C (10:00 PM EST on February 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 03:41 kmkale @weather Mumbai 03:41 huginn kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 24.0�C (8:40 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 03:42 rangi are you in toronto now? or heading there gmcharlt ? 03:43 gmcharlt rangi: flying there tomorrow, I hope 03:43 rangi brrrrr 03:46 wasabi_love meh, i cant find what the n,s,w,p attribs do in the zebra doco, for record.abs :/ 03:47 rangi numeric 03:47 rangi sort 03:47 rangi word 03:47 rangi phrase 03:47 wasabi_love yeah, was my hunch... 03:50 wasabi_love ah, spotted the doco... 03:50 wasabi_love http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html#querymodel-pqf-apt-mapping 03:57 wasabi_love ccode:w didnt make a difference, rebuilding with ccode:p 03:57 wasabi_love ccode: p 04:07 Ahmuck_ k, back finally 04:07 Ahmuck_ rangi: so what were u hoping to host on your linode? 04:16 indradg @weather kolkata 04:16 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (9:20 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 04:19 rangi Ahmuck: check the logs 04:19 Ahmuck_ sorry, i'm at home. logs are at work i suppose 04:19 Ahmuck_ my connection at home is bad 04:20 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-02-02#i_591510 04:20 rangi Channel is publicly logged 04:23 rangi Hi pianohacker 04:23 pianohacker Hey chris 04:23 pianohacker How's it going? 04:23 rangi Good thanks, u? 04:25 Ahmuck_ so just need a web host? 04:27 rangi no we have plenty of them, I was just saying I can't have hudson (the buildserver) building them without more disk 04:28 Ahmuck_ kk 04:28 rangi They are already being built elsewhere someone had an idea to move them to hudson like the pdfs (and the code builds) 04:29 rangi Which is fine, but it would need more disk, which is easy enough to buy but since its coming off my visa I wasn't that motivated :) 04:30 Ahmuck_ r u using xfs? 04:31 rangi nope but its easy enough to get another chunk of disk off linode and mount it 04:32 rangi And tell the builder to build there 04:33 rangi But like I say, its being done somewhere already 04:33 rangi And integrated with the main website 04:33 rangi So not an actual problem to solve 04:34 Ahmuck_ np 04:34 Ahmuck_ think i have extra disk space, but were using xfs for server grade expansion 04:34 rangi What we do need 04:35 rangi Is contribs.koha-community.org set up somewhere 04:37 Ahmuck_ what is contribs.koha-community.org? 04:37 rangi A place where ppl can upload things like firefox extensions 04:37 rangi Or chrome extensions, or misc scripts 04:38 rangi Etc 04:38 rangi contribs.koha.org was the old site, but we have no real attachment to the software that ran it 04:39 rangi But something like that 04:41 rangi Hasn't been decided yet 04:43 rangi Bbiab 05:14 * wasabi_love catches a train, ciao folks 05:16 pianohacker headed out, see you guys later 05:37 Ahmuck__ nite 05:45 cait good morning #koha :) 05:47 kmkale hi cait 05:47 cait morning kmkale :) 05:48 kmkale is there any way I can do multiple imports from a z39 search? 05:49 cait kmkale: I think in cataloging it's not possible at the moment 05:50 cait hm, some records are saved to the reservoir with every search I think 05:50 kmkale are there any downlodable collections of MARC records available for testing? I need records with ISBN's 05:57 cait kmkale: there is apage on the wiki about free marc records 05:58 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Free_sample_MARC_data 05:59 kmkale thanks cait 05:59 cait np 05:59 cait getting ready for work - bbl 06:09 AG heya all 06:10 AG heya kmkale 06:11 kmkale hi AG == Amit Gupta? 06:14 AG yes AG means Amit Gupta ur right 06:14 kmkale :) 06:27 rangi poor old australia 06:27 rangi http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/storms/yasi-us-australia-crop.gif 06:27 snail is this the correct new channel? 06:28 rangi it is 06:28 snail cool 06:33 rangi hmm no ronald .. i hope the solomon islands didnt get pounded too badly 06:54 kf good morning #koha ;) 06:54 kf t 06:55 kf ok, irc settings corrected 07:02 snail rangi: it looks like the work I work http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5666 for is going to end up being done using MARCXML and XSLT instead 07:02 huginn 04Bug 5666: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, regexp edits to URL fields in bibliographic edit screens 07:02 snail but I'm happy to share my XSLT once it's done 07:07 francharb hi all 07:45 jransom Kia ora ! 07:51 wasabi_love classic .... 07:51 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/msg02922.html 07:51 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/msg02937.html 07:53 kf kia ora jransom :) 07:53 kf wasabi_love? 07:53 wasabi_love ive noticed a lot of the mailing-list archive sites are still pointing to the old 'lists.koha.org' url 07:53 rangi cant change that 07:54 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/info.html 07:54 wasabi_love really ? 07:54 wasabi_love heya kf 07:54 wasabi_love http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/info.html 07:54 kf love? *wonders* 07:55 wasabi_love ahh, there are 2 'koha-devel' lists there… 07:55 wasabi_love i love wasabi :) 07:56 jransom I love wasabi too 07:56 jransom hiya kf, wasabi and chris 07:57 kf wasabi_love: ok :) 07:57 kf I can understand that 07:58 wasabi_love wasabi is hot 07:59 wasabi_love hot_love… its a little joke.. :) 08:00 wasabi_love the best kinda luv!!! 08:00 jransom (rolls eyes) 08:03 wasabi_love apparently very few people have actually tasted *real* wasabi 08:04 wasabi_love most wasabi is fake, horseradish and green/yellow food-coloring :/ 08:04 wasabi_love … says teh interweb 08:06 wasabi_love i made a point of eating different types of wasabi when in japan 08:06 wasabi_love its a bit grainier than the stuff in NZ, more like pesto? 08:07 AG heya wasabhi_love 08:07 wasabi_love well, most wasabi in NZ is fake... 08:07 kf AG = Amit? 08:08 AG heya kf 08:08 wasabi_love in japan its probably authentic stuff 08:08 wasabi_love heya amit 08:08 AG heya AG= Amit Gupta 08:09 jransom hiya Amit 08:13 AG jransom 08:54 Oak \o 09:02 AG heya hdl, Oak 09:12 cirbic hello 09:12 wahanui hi, cirbic 09:12 cirbic greetings from almeria (spain) 09:12 cirbic nice to meet you everybody again 09:14 cirbic how are you 09:15 wasabi_love cirbic: fyi - wahanui is a bot ;) 09:15 wasabi_love wahanui 09:15 wahanui yes, wasabi_love? 09:15 wasabi_love i love you 09:15 cirbic where are you from? 09:15 cirbic or better 09:16 cirbic where are you? 09:16 wasabi_love i'm from NZ 09:16 Brooke_ kia ora 09:16 wasabi_love wahanui: i love you 09:16 wahanui wasabi_love: what? 09:16 Brooke_ hheheheh 09:16 cirbic as I said I´m in Spain 09:16 cirbic here is where I work 09:17 cirbic http://www.psa.es 09:17 wasabi_love oooh, i've offended wahanui :/ 09:17 Brooke_ he can't see the bot/human relationship working out favourably 09:18 cirbic in which library do you work ? 09:18 cirbic a public library 09:18 wasabi_love cirbic: psa looks nice! :) 09:18 cirbic college library...? 09:19 cirbic yes It´s nice 09:19 wasabi_love i do some koha support and development in NZ 09:19 cirbic We´re the best site in the world for solar thermal technology development 09:19 AG heya wasabi_love 09:19 Brooke_ <3 solar 09:20 cirbic even better than americans! 09:20 jransom I love solar too 09:20 Brooke_ solar ++ 09:20 jransom $42 mid winter power bill - yee hah! 09:20 wasabi_love cirbic: that is *very* interesting! 09:20 cirbic I work in the library of the PSA 09:21 cirbic it´s a small specialized librar 09:21 cirbic ~2000 books 09:21 * Brooke_ thinks those are oft the best 09:21 Brooke_ wouldn't want to have to catalogue em, though XD 09:22 cirbic :D 09:22 Brooke_ ooof school's out at UIUC 09:22 Brooke_ that's like twice in about 50 years. 09:23 cirbic during 2010 we´ve made a new building for library and computer center 09:23 cirbic and now the works in the building are over 09:23 * Brooke_ waves to kmkale 09:23 kmkale hi 09:23 cirbic I want to use koha 09:24 cirbic for the library management 09:24 cirbic and for the OPAC 09:24 cirbic we´ve never had an OPAC 09:24 cirbic just a ACCESS database 09:25 wasabi_love lucky you :/ 09:25 Brooke_ oh dear. 09:25 wasabi_love but, hey.. a very common situation 09:25 Brooke_ indeed 09:26 wasabi_love actually lots of libraries just have an excel spreadsheet, lol 09:26 Brooke_ niyayo 09:26 wasabi_love ive seen a few of those in my time 09:26 Brooke_ hi sandeep 09:26 Sandeep_Bhavsar hi Brooke 09:27 cirbic that is why what I besiege you with questions 09:27 cirbic :D 09:27 * kf waves to cirbic :) 09:28 * Brooke_ s eyes widen looking at the sat on Yasi... 09:29 rangi http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/02/02/1225998/565195-nwe-cyclone-comparison.jpg 09:29 cirbic and I take the ocassion to thank you all the support you gave me 09:31 wasabi_love yasi has a 100km eye 09:31 kmkale ouch yasi looks worse than katrina 09:32 AG heya kmkale 09:32 Sandeep_Bhavsar yes kmkale is right 09:32 wahanui i already had it that way, Sandeep_Bhavsar. 09:33 kmkale hi amit 09:33 kmkale hi sandeep 09:33 cirbic that yosi looks bad 09:33 Sandeep_Bhavsar yes kousthubha 09:33 Sandeep_Bhavsar good afternoon 09:35 jransom brooke: yu seen the map og USA with yasi superimposed over it? 09:36 Brooke_ negative 09:36 Brooke_ oi ian 09:36 cirbic wasabi is gone? 09:36 sekjal morning, Brooke 09:37 cirbic you all live in nz? 09:38 Brooke_ we all wish it, that's the same, no? 09:38 cirbic :D 09:38 cirbic what time is where you live? 09:38 cirbic here at spain 10.41 AM 09:39 Brooke_ 0441 09:39 Brooke_ hua! 09:40 joann dropped my connection here 09:40 cirbic 04.41 at nz? 09:40 Brooke_ noper 09:40 cirbic do you work at night or you cant sleep? 09:41 * Brooke_ is a dirty rotten stinkin' Yank. 09:41 Brooke_ the kiwis are up at night 09:41 Sandeep_Bhavsar India Mumbai 15.15 09:41 joann 10.44pm in NZ 09:41 joann gettin a bit blimmin late 09:41 * Brooke_ titters 09:41 Brooke_ ye're up later than this 09:41 cirbic just 12 hours from spain to nz 09:41 Brooke_ I has blog proofs. 09:42 * sekjal blinks, trying follow everything, while the first pot of coffee gets going 09:42 cirbic well I´ll take my car 09:42 cirbic and drive to nz 09:42 Brooke_ but you'd have to drive into tomorrow. 09:42 rangi cirbic: we have a meeting in 15 minutes, thats why people are here 09:42 cirbic I´ll take just 20 minutes 09:42 joann its wednesday night here 09:43 Brooke_ cirbic: can I borrow the car mate? 09:43 cirbic yeah 09:43 Brooke_ \/\/00+ 09:43 cirbic rangi: the meeting is in the channel? 09:43 rangi yes 09:43 cirbic I supposed I´ve to leave it 09:44 rangi no 09:44 cirbic ah 09:44 Brooke_ sit down 09:44 cirbic just hear 09:44 rangi but there will be an agenda 09:44 rangi and i have work tomorrow 09:44 * Brooke_ comforts rangi 09:44 rangi so if people stay on topic i will get some sleep :) 09:44 cirbic I think meeting is about koha? 09:44 rangi but you are welcome to participate 09:44 * Brooke_ nods 09:44 slef hi all 09:44 Brooke_ oi 09:45 jcamins Greetings, #koha 09:45 cirbic I think my level of knowledgment about koha is very low 09:45 sekjal morning, jcamins 09:45 rangi good way to learn ;) 09:45 Brooke_ attend enough of these, it'll skyrocket. 09:45 cirbic a new librarian who is trying to get it started in my library 09:46 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011 09:46 jcamins sekjal: *technically*, yes. 09:46 rangi is the agenda 09:46 cirbic with a lot of questions 09:48 * Brooke_ waves to nate 09:48 joann i'm yawning already 09:48 Nate_ mornin 09:48 cirbic rangi: the meeting will be here at the channel or you will open a private conversation? 09:48 rangi here 09:48 joann we might have to have an 'exciting' meeting to keep me awake :) 09:48 cirbic o 09:48 cirbic ok 09:48 slef joann: where we decide to return to NZ for kohacon11? 09:48 * slef runs 09:48 Brooke_ hehehe 09:49 * Brooke_ approves of slef. 09:49 joann i'd have ya back in a heart beat mate 09:49 rangi the koha community works in the open, transparency is one of our principles 09:49 kmkale rangi you did not convince him 09:49 rangi heh 09:49 Brooke_ he mighta dcd 09:49 kmkale wb cirbic 09:49 Brooke_ wb cirbic 09:50 cirbic hello again 09:50 cirbic conecction dropped 09:51 cirbic I´ve to go to put inventory stickers 09:51 cirbic I´ll come back in 20 minutes 09:51 cirbic I´ll leave the connection open 09:52 joann @cirbic ; we will be a meeting, you welcme to join us but we do have an agenda to get through 09:52 huginn joann: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 09:52 kmkale :) 09:52 joann wot? 09:52 kmkale these bots are fun 09:52 * chris_n2 drags in with a box of tissues and a cold :( 09:54 Brooke_ cheeky huginn, cheeky. 09:55 chris_n two dsl's down first thing is *not* a nice way to start the day :-P 09:57 slef argh! some idiot has set a fire nearby! I may have to move in a moment 09:57 rangi #startmeeting 09:57 huginn Meeting started Wed Feb 2 10:00:46 2011 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:57 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 09:57 * chris_n feels a bit better about just having dsl outages to deal with now 09:58 rangi #topic Introductions 09:58 * rangi is chris cormack, release manager 3.4 09:58 * hdl Henri-Damien LAURENT, release maintainer 3.0 09:58 * chris_n is Chris Nighswonger, release maintainer 3.2 09:58 * druthb is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 09:58 jwagner Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 09:58 AG AG is known as Amit Gupta Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore 09:58 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions 09:58 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA 09:58 * sekjal is Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 09:58 joann Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ 09:58 Nate_ Nate: Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions 09:58 ColinC Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd 09:58 * davi is Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop 09:58 kmkale Koustubha Kale Anant Coorporation, VPM, Thane and Granthalaya.org 09:59 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 09:59 * slef is MJ Ray, worker-owner of software.coop 10:00 * wasabi_love -> Mason James, KohaAloha, NZ 10:00 SandeepBhavsar Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian VPM's Dr. V N Bedekar Management Institute, Thane 10:00 rangi anyone else? 10:01 rangi right, will move on then 10:01 rangi #topic Update on 3.2 10:01 rangi over to your chris_n 10:01 chris_n right 10:01 chris_n 3.2.x maintenance continues to move along well. 10:01 chris_n 3.2.3 was released on 22 Jan as scheduled thanks to the hard work of developers, QA, and the 3.4 RM. 10:01 chris_n We are 12 commits toward the release of 3.2.4 on 22 Feb. 10:01 chris_n And that's all. 10:01 rangi :) 10:02 hdl congrats 10:02 rangi nothing anyone can do to make your life easier? 10:02 chris_n only one 10:02 chris_n please be sure to test application of patches against the 3.2.x branch prior to submitting 10:03 chris_n and if necessary, fixup and submit with [3.2.x] in the subject line 10:03 rangi (if they are bugfixes applicable to 3.2 eh?) 10:03 chris_n right :) 10:03 chris_n of course 10:03 chris_n marking them as applicable only to 3.4 would help as well :) 10:03 chris_n this is something the submitter could do 10:04 rangi #info please mark patches as applicable for 3.4 only if that is the case 10:04 rangi #info if patches are to be applied on 3.2.x please test they apply cleanly on that branch 10:05 rangi cool ... anything else about 3.2.x anyone? 10:05 sekjal great work, chris_n, on the regular, on-time releases! 10:05 chris_n thanks to all who's work has made 3.2.x maintenance run smoothly 10:05 chris_n s/all/everyone/ 10:06 * kf Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:06 wasabi_love chris_n: test commits from the HEAD of the 3.2 branch, or the latest 3.2 tag? 10:06 rangi id say head 10:06 chris_n HEAD 10:06 wasabi_love or something else? 10:07 rangi #topic update on 3.0.x 10:07 ColinC First UK Public to go Koha goes live on Thursday on 3.2.3 Thanks all 10:07 rangi hdl: you have anything for this? 10:08 wasabi_love ok , thanks 10:08 hdl nothing new. Still have to do it 10:09 rangi righto, anyone have anything to add for 3.0.x ? 10:09 slef *sigh* I'm glad you're building on the co-op's decade-ish of work, but can we keep company news releases out of the community meeting, please? There are other venues for that. 10:10 ColinC Its the community's achievement slef 10:10 slef ColinC: it's still off-topic. 10:10 rangi and so this discussion, so moving on 10:10 rangi #topic update on 3.4 10:10 davi Are ads allowed here along a meeting? 10:11 rangi moving on davi 10:11 davi Are allowed anyway? 10:11 kmkale :) 10:11 davi ack rangi 10:11 joann moving on folks 10:11 joann 3.4 update 10:11 rangi ok, 3.4 is still on schedule 10:12 rangi what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff 10:12 wasabi_love rangi: url please? 10:12 rangi so i might start sending mails out, maybe 1 a week with a list of patches id like looked at 10:13 slef #note <rangi> what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff 10:13 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 10:13 rangi patches needing signoff there 10:13 slef #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 10:13 irmaB hi all - Irma Birchall from CALYX - sorry for the late login 10:14 rangi work is under way to make the biblibre patches easier to qa 10:15 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 10:15 huginn 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements 10:15 rangi see the depends on links there 10:16 rangi there will be a press release later this week, but biblibre have contracted catalyst to do some qa and reformatting of their patches 10:17 rangi (you may have seen one i reformatted today) 10:17 chris_n any more thoughts about a QA-fest sort of activity? 10:17 chris_n or test-fest 10:17 rangi i think its a good idea, for the patches sitting in the needing signoff queue 10:18 rangi but i wont have time to organise it 10:18 kf I think it's a good idea and would try to participate 10:18 irmaB have you already discussed teaching others how to test? 10:18 rangi i will however try to send out mails to koha-devel 10:18 Brooke_ irmaB++ 10:18 rangi highlighting patches that are critical etc 10:19 kf qa_mails++ 10:19 ColinC might be worth flagging up somethings as priorities if they are 10:19 rangi good idea 10:19 hdl severity could be a first order 10:20 wasabi_love ooh, Koha is listed on branchable.com 's front-page 10:20 rangi kf, oleonard, and fredericd have been testing the template work 10:20 rangi that is coming along well 10:21 rangi do we have any volunteers to sort through the bugs with patches awaiting signoff? changing severity where it makes sense? 10:21 rangi marking those that are invalid as such 10:22 rangi etc 10:22 sekjal I can throw a couple hours at it over the next few weeks 10:22 rangi thanks sekjal 10:22 wasabi_love yep, me too 10:22 rangi #action sekjal and wasabi_love will spend some time organising bugs 10:22 irmaB yep me too with Mason's help 10:22 davi rangi, I could try to review one, to learn how to do it 10:22 rangi cool 10:22 wasabi_love im hoping to have a quiet next few weeks 10:23 irmaB davi ++ 10:23 rangi i think thats about all from me 10:23 rangi does anyone have any questions? 10:23 kmkale i could help testing simple ones 10:23 wasabi_love yep, no probs irma 10:23 davi rangi, I will ask or contact you if I need help 10:23 rangi cool 10:23 rangi im pretty much always here :) 10:24 davi me too, except nights 10:24 rangi if there is nothing else shall we move on to the next agenda item? 10:25 rangi #topic Roles for 3.6 10:25 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.6 10:25 kmkale i could help testing simple ones/ 10:25 kmkale :( 10:25 rangi we are halfway through 3.4 .. time to start thinking about 3.6 10:26 kmkale rangi have you decided on any last dates for features etc for 3.4? 10:27 rangi not firm ones, i have in mind 3 weeks for feature freeze 1 week for string freeze 10:27 indradg sorry late for the meeting 10:27 rangi will firm those up and announce 10:27 kmkale k 10:27 hdl translators should be provided two weeks for their work imha 10:28 rangi will mean a 4 week feature freeze 10:28 rangi which is end of march 10:28 tajoli In fact yes, two week is a minimun for a transaltion 10:28 hdl But if soon announced, ppl can be prepared well enough. 10:28 chris_n as long as we branch off that should not be too bad heh? 10:29 rangi but we shouldnt be waiting until then to start translating 10:29 kf I think it depends on the number of strings 10:29 rangi that should be just finishing off 10:29 chris_n not_waiting++ 10:29 kf 1 week can be enough, but 2 weeks are better 10:29 kf not_waiting++ 10:29 kf if we start early enough and tell people to start 1 week should be ok 10:30 hdl rangi: hopefully, we won't find bugs in the translation of template toolkit... But we may have. 10:30 tajoli We can see the number only after TT translation 10:30 kmkale so about 6 to 7 weeks for new features to be submitted AND signed off 10:30 indradg +1 for 2 week for translations 10:30 rangi hdl: thats why we are testing that already :) 10:30 rangi kmkale: approx yes 10:30 hdl kmkale: and qaed 10:31 Brooke_ so if you have a feature nao or next week :) 10:31 * chris_n thinks its going to get mighty busy very soon :) 10:31 wasabi_love man, i'm *really* looking forward to using Koha+TT 10:31 rangi of course if you miss 3.4, at least 3.6 is only another 6 months away 10:31 rangi speaking of 3.6 10:32 rangi people should throw their names in the ring on that page 10:32 ColinC If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly 10:33 rangi #info If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly 10:33 hdl slated ? 10:34 chris_n proposed 10:34 ColinC proposed/scheduled 10:37 rangi ok, does anyone have anything about 3.6 roles? 10:37 kf when will we vote? next meeting? 10:37 rangi good question 10:37 * rangi doesnt have an answer 10:38 jwagner when is 3.4 due for release again? Ideally the 3.6 team should be in place at that point. 10:38 rangi april 22 10:38 kf meetings are beginning of march or april 10:39 jwagner So the vote could be at the beginning of April, to give people a bit longer to think about it. 10:39 chris_n perhaps at the april general meeting 10:39 * Brooke_ wonders if we are running Senatorial timelines now... 10:39 jwagner Yes, the regular April meeting 10:40 hdl if branch is to be done middle of march... maybe having realase manager for 3.6 could be good for March 10:40 Brooke_ I agree hdl 10:40 kf good point 10:40 chris_n true 10:40 Brooke_ another month should be plenty of consideration 10:40 rangi will be late march 10:40 rangi but will be before the april meeting 10:40 hdl even late march.... Will be before april meeting. 10:41 chris_n either way is workable though imho 10:41 hdl We could have an extraordinary meeting 10:41 hdl to vote 10:41 hdl But one month to think about a proposal is fine i think 10:41 rangi #idea special meeting to decide 3.6 Release team 10:41 kf having the team before branch makes sense to me - so it would be early march or an extraordinary meeting. we should note the date on the wiki page anyway. 10:42 kf so people considering it know 10:42 rangi who would like to send out an email 10:42 rangi pointing to the roles page 10:42 rangi i think i did one, or i might have just dreamed it 10:42 slef ugh, not possible to do it in General...March? 10:43 Brooke_ I'll do that 10:43 Brooke_ that's dogsbody work 10:43 rangi yes its possible 10:43 hdl rangi: you did 10:43 Brooke_ to devel or general? 10:43 thd The longer we wait the more time there is to draft people into roles whether they want them or not :) 10:43 Brooke_ thd people will always wait longer 10:43 rangi ok, so how likes the idea of deciding in the march general meeting? 10:43 * Brooke_ points to Zipf's principle. 10:43 rangi s/how/who/ 10:44 rangi +1 from me 10:44 druthb +1 10:44 jcamins +1 10:44 Brooke_ March +1 10:44 sekjal +1 10:44 Oak +-1 10:44 ColinC +1 10:44 jwagner +1 10:44 chris_n +1 10:44 joann +1 10:44 thd +1 10:44 kf +1 10:44 wasabi_love ++1 10:45 gbengaadara +1 10:45 slef 0 10:45 slef 10:45 indradg +1 10:46 wasabi_love march it is… :) 10:46 tajoli +1 10:46 rangi #agreed roles for 3.6 to be decided at the march general meeting 10:47 rangi #action brooke to send an email 10:48 rangi anything else about 3.6? 10:49 rangi feel free to pester me anytime about release management 10:50 rangi #topic irc move 10:50 rangi this was a late addition to the agenda 10:50 davi Very good move! 10:50 wasabi_love any plans for big html::template to TT rewrite before 3.6? 10:51 rangi wasabi_love: thats for 3.4 10:51 rangi davi: sad move, but probably nessecary 10:51 wasabi_love or should we wait until after 3.6, to do that stuff? 10:51 chris_n wasabi_love: chris has done the work already 10:51 chris_n its in qa atm 10:52 chris_n no need to wait imho 10:52 rangi chris hall has done the work, not me, i just supervised 10:52 rangi chris_n: you added this to the agenda, do you have more to add? 10:52 joann (as the risk of appearing stupid: what is TT?) 10:52 slef joann: template toolkit 10:52 joann thanks 10:52 slef joann: new templating system 10:52 wasabi_love chris_n: w0w, ok - ill ask later about that… 10:53 slef The Template Toolkit (TT) is a fast and flexible template engine used primarily for building web sites but also suitable for any type of digital document creation like PDF or LaTeX. Template Toolkit, or TT for short, is based on a mini-language, rather than allowing direct perl like some of its competitors like Mason. This forces developers to only have presentation logic in... http://a.vu/w:Template_Toolkit 10:53 chris_n I would only like to add that I do think the move is a sad necessity 10:53 rangi wasabi_love: pay attention ;) we covered it in the 3.4 item :) 10:53 chris_n it's a step away from the historical norm 10:53 chris_n which imho is not always the best move 10:53 chris_n but life does move on 10:54 chris_n that's it 10:54 wasabi_love http://template-toolkit.org/ 10:54 kmkale how does move to TT affect current WIP? 10:54 slef Have we heard from katipo about their IRC server? 10:54 rangi cna we table the TT talk til after the meeting please 10:54 kmkale ok 10:54 hdl it is up again. 10:55 rangi yes 10:55 rangi i have talked with si 10:56 rangi 11:38 <@si> yup, I think oftc is probably a better home for koha 10:56 rangi he no longer works for citylink, where the server is, so we dont have someone we can pester 10:56 davi yes, even OFTC is even a better move than Free Node options IMHO 10:56 thd Does OFTC have any problematic policies or practices? 10:57 thd * You are now known as thd-away 10:57 thd * You are now known as thd 10:57 thd * You may not reregister 10:57 thd Will I be banned for changing my nic when away? 10:57 rangi no 10:57 davi I think OFTC is under the Software for Public Interest umbrella , isn't it? 10:57 rangi yes 10:57 irmaB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFTC 10:58 slef thd: not as far as I know. It's an SPI associated project aiming to run a communications network. http://www.oftc.net/ 10:59 Brooke_ their mission looks harmonious to our aims. 10:59 wasabi_love if OFTC is good enuff for the debian-project , its prolly good enuff for us 10:59 slef more comments/questions? move on? 10:59 rangi the next topic on the agenda was mine, but i think ill just point people to my blogpost on it instead 10:59 wasabi_love http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 10:59 thd As long as their software is as harmonious as the mission I am happy :) 10:59 kf http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/ 11:00 kf seems there are a member 11:00 kf they are a member of SPI 11:00 chris_n rangi: link? 11:00 slef #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work 11:00 rangi #link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/01/22/os-academy-a-big-success-for-koha/ 11:00 rangi hmm 11:00 rangi #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work 11:00 * chris_n pings huginn 11:01 rangi only the chair can change topic 11:01 rangi it seems 11:01 rangi ok thats all i have on that 11:01 irmaB at the Linux conference in Brisbane last week 11:01 kf slef: ok, to correct myself - page says asscociated projects... 11:01 rangi #topic action points from last meeting 11:02 irmaB students from Albany high school gave apresentation 11:02 slef kf: np, lots get it wrong. Only project contributors are members. 11:02 rangi #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-01-05-22.01.html 11:02 rangi the action points are there 11:02 rangi hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement < --- still to be done 11:03 rangi nengard to ask owen about a tutorial on rebasing others patches 11:03 rangi did this happen? 11:03 slef rangi: should undone ones be put as #action again? 11:03 rangi good idea 11:03 rangi anyone can do an #action 11:03 rangi #action hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement 11:04 slef rangi: oops. 11:04 rangi no owen or nengard, so no idea if that one happened 11:04 rangi someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance <-- didnt happen 11:04 Brooke_ someone-- 11:05 thd There was some discussion just after the last meeting on the issue of license upgrade for OpenNCIP. 11:05 rangi thd still going through last meetings action points 11:05 rangi #action someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance 11:05 thd OK 11:06 rangi chris_n send an email to the devel list if there is anything we need to know about 3.2.x 11:06 rangi that happened 11:06 rangi brooke with the help of wizzyrea and others to start on a draft code of conduct/ social contract thingy <-- happened 11:06 rangi newsletter moved to 25th, slef and nengard to work on ideas to make it less onerous <-- move happened 11:06 slef #action slef to ask nengard and owen about the tutorial on rebasing others patches 11:06 rangi ricardo has just volunteered to set up the page for the meeting <-- was done 11:07 slef #action slef, nengard and wizzyrea to work on ideas to make newsletter production easier 11:07 rangi someone send out a reminder email about the meeting <-- happened also 11:07 slef because the rest of that is still on my todo 11:07 rangi righto 11:08 rangi #topic Kohacon11 11:08 rangi who wants to speak to this? 11:09 davi #action rangi to mentor davi to review a patche awaiting signoff, if davi needs help to work out that task 11:09 davi s/patche/patch/ 11:09 kmkale I have no idea how this is decided, but would love to see ya all in India for KohaCon11 11:09 joann how are we going to choose kohacon location? 11:09 indradg how are we choosing the location? 11:09 Brooke_ the olde fashioned way. A cage match to the death. 11:10 indradg Brooke_, lol ++! 11:10 davi slef? 11:10 wahanui slef is probably an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge 11:10 slef I'm happy to point at the wiki page which includes details for the UK bid and take any questions, but most of my other questions are on the wiki or email. 11:10 joann I understand that all sites really want to host it - but 2 are not going to be able to 11:10 joann isn't wahanui a robot? 11:11 rangi theres 4 in the mix now joann, so 3 will miss out 11:11 joann do any wish to withdraw their bids? 11:11 joann but i guess not 11:11 wasabi_love the olde fashioned way. an IRC vote? 11:11 indradg I can talk for the Kolkata, India bid 11:11 slef I'd also be interested in whether people would prefer to be in the West Country or Edinburgh, in case we bid again for 2012. 11:11 joann so we have to decide between 4 11:11 slef (the 2011 bid is West Country) 11:11 jcamins joann: yes, I think wahanui used to be ibot. 11:12 kmkale I woould be happy to answer any queries about VPM, Thane, Inia bid 11:12 joann it thins slef is a genius (does slef control it I wonder?) 11:12 * indradg would like to visit UK sometime :) 11:12 kmkale s/Inia/India/ 11:12 * druthb recuses. 11:12 gbengaadara Could we do the FIFA way? Decide 2011 & 2012 11:12 indradg lol 11:12 thd indradg: Do you have any insight into low air fare to India from the US? 11:12 wasabi_love we voted via IRC for KohaCon2010, i think? 11:12 joann i thought the kiwis just claimed it 11:12 joann :D 11:13 indradg thd, depends a bit on the port of departure 11:13 indradg Albany, Newark usually has the lowest to India 11:13 kf joann: no, it stores facts 11:13 indradg thd, ^^ 11:13 kmkale Asia's never had it. So.. 11:13 SandeepBhavsar US to India low fare $1100 11:14 kmkale SandeepBhavsar: for October? 11:14 rangi no one from the nepal bid here? 11:14 joann will have to be a vote of some sort I guess ... 11:14 SandeepBhavsar ya its average 11:14 slef kmkale: the UK's never had it either and the one in Paris was shorter/smaller IIRC. 11:14 slef SandeepBhavsar: where are you looking that up? 11:14 joann what he said 11:14 joann what slef said 11:14 SandeepBhavsar VPM Thane India 11:15 kmkale slef: I said Asia. 11:15 Oak bid Pakistan 11:15 slef kmkale: ;-) 11:15 thd Is there any reason that two options are Nov. - Dec. instead of Oct. - Nov. 11:15 thd ? 11:15 Brooke_ Pakistan is Nepal now, unless I missed something. Yes? 11:15 rangi Oak: pakistan have withdrawn the bid, in favour of nepal 11:15 indradg thd, the monsoons 11:16 joann thats a good reason 11:16 indradg thd, plus major festival season in india... ala christmas holidays 11:16 kmkale For Mumbai, monsoon is over by september 11:16 thd indradg: Are you in a monsoon free area in Thane? 11:16 jcamins not_experiencing_a_monsoon++ 11:16 wasabi_love Brooke_: yep, i think pakistan bid is withdrawn 11:16 indradg thd, I'm in Calcutta 11:17 rangi ok, so i think someone 11:17 kmkale thd: I am in Thane and yes in Oct/Nov no monsoons in Mumbai 11:17 rangi where someone is not me 11:17 rangi has to figure out some way we are going to decide 11:17 kmkale plus there is Diwali season. So a most appropriate time to visit India 11:17 rangi and since it takes a long time to organise 11:17 rangi it needs to be done soon 11:17 joann are we of a mind to take a vote tonight? 11:17 joann given that it was clearly on the agenda? 11:17 rangi i dont think thats fair 11:18 irmaB Political stability needs to be considered too 11:18 rangi not a vote wasnt 11:18 rangi KohaCon2011 Proposals location and dates discussion 11:18 thd Votes have should be announced. 11:18 joann ok. 11:18 indradg thd, ++1 11:18 joann well we should that then 11:18 davi thd++ 11:18 thd We should announce a vote at the next IRC meeting along with roles. 11:18 ColinC Some folk are very pro Asia but its hard to judge between e.g. Mumbai or Nepal 11:19 joann open voting like we did with set up og koha sub committee of hlt 11:19 tajoli yes, vote on Koha2011 hould be announced. 11:19 rangi wait til march to announce the vote? 11:19 kmkale sooner the better 11:19 chris_n +1 11:19 rangi thats cutting down the time to organise 11:19 Brooke_ what why? 11:19 kf 2 big votes in one meetnig might be a bit much 11:19 rangi i think it should be announced sooner 11:19 Brooke_ too bad 11:19 slef I note that we're already a bit tight for nengard's wish of September. 11:19 wasabi_love http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Withdrawal-from-KohaCon-Bid-in-favor-of-DlnetSA-Healthnet-Nepal-td3355813.html 11:19 kf and deciding for a time zone might be diffifult too 11:19 Brooke_ no more stalling 11:19 indradg voting in march 11:19 Brooke_ folks have to move 11:19 tajoli no, annunce the vote now, do the vote on march 11:19 Brooke_ yeah 11:19 indradg tajoli, ++ 11:19 joann i think the agenda item made it clear that we would talk about kohacon2011 tonight, it implied decision time to me 11:19 thd Announce now vote in March, exactly 11:20 indradg yep 11:20 rangi it said discussion 11:20 Brooke_ March at the bloody latest 11:20 joann not long for organisers 11:20 rangi i put it on the agenda, and i certainly didnt mean decide tonight 11:20 joann why not make a wiki page and people register their vote 11:20 kmkale can we do it sooner than March? 11:20 Oak thanks wasabi_love 11:20 thd joann, we have that 11:20 joann or make a google forms thingee and people can click on it anytime over next fortnight 11:20 thd I voted twice :) 11:20 kf we could have a separate meeting 11:20 gbengaadara The earlier the host is known, the better 11:20 ColinC Definitely make a decision re 2012 earlier than we did 2011 11:20 indradg joann, we already have that 11:21 thd as did rangi 11:21 mle ColinC ++ 11:21 joann we have expresssions ofsupport - but is that a vote? 11:21 kf so we would not have to vote for roles and kohacon at one date 11:21 Brooke_ kf: if we did, let's make it sooner than march 11:21 joann becuase on that basis its india already 11:21 rangi yeah for 2010 we had decided in 2009 11:21 tajoli We can use the vote on the wiki, but we nedd an 'official' annunce, and a finish date 11:21 rangi joann: which india, there are 2 11:21 joann the one with the most 'votes' 11:21 joann but i voted 'voted' twice as did brooke and maybe chris 11:22 Brooke_ MMP ftw 11:22 kf I think vote must be started anew 11:22 tajoli Probably best one vote for person 11:22 joann yes. 11:22 indradg joann, rangi I've voted for both thane and kolkata :) 11:22 rangi yes, becuase that wsnt a vote 11:22 Brooke_ I agree with one vote 11:22 joann and lets do it asap 11:22 indradg ++ 11:22 Brooke_ how about Valentine's Day? 11:22 tajoli because lotation is strictly connect with personal situation 11:22 Brooke_ Vote for your sweetheart for conference :) 11:22 * nengard Nicole C Engard, Doc Manager (late arrival) 11:23 jcamins Brooke_: do we have to send chocolate? 11:23 Brooke_ yes to gmcharlt. 11:23 kmkale Umm people have put in their name on wiki with the impression that its a vote 11:23 kmkale the page says so 11:23 rangi the page says show your support 11:23 rangi and the email i sent when i made that table 11:24 * chris_n must go now 11:24 Brooke_ does two weeks *not* work for anyone? 11:24 kmkale Anyway if we arrange a vote lets make it so that it does not involve wiki edits ;) 11:24 * Brooke_ wants to see this sorted so organisers can get a move on. 11:24 indradg Brooke_, to organise a voting? 11:24 Brooke_ no 11:24 Brooke_ not to organise 11:24 Brooke_ to ACTUALLY 11:24 kf who is allowed to vote? 11:24 davi no wiki edits for voting++ 11:24 joann i find it incredibly sad that we have 2 opposing bids from india 11:25 kf in irc everyone has a vote - but there are also institutions on the wiki 11:25 joann so is it 1 vote per person 11:25 joann or per institution? 11:25 rangi Ive taken a crack at tidying the page 11:25 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2011_Proposals 11:25 rangi And a way to register support, I do agree with Bob that we should call 11:25 rangi a vote at a meeting on irc, so I don't propose this poll is binding, 11:25 rangi but just an indicative way to show support, hence I have listed 11:25 rangi support for 2. 11:25 Brooke_ +1 1 vote a person 11:25 joann lets sort that point out first 11:25 SandeepBhavsar yes i think per institution is ok 11:25 irmaB Is the UK out? 11:25 Brooke_ no institution votes 11:25 tajoli No 11:25 Brooke_ that way no one gets 2 votes. 11:25 tajoli I strongly support UK 11:26 nengard me too 11:26 kf irc_vote++ 11:26 tajoli much cheper for me 11:26 slef irmaB: I'm still here. All the questions seem to be about the Asian bids, though. 11:26 joann UK is still in 11:26 davi +1 one person one vote 11:26 slef Did I miss any question? 11:26 kf UK++ 11:26 gbengaadara UK++ 11:26 nengard i'd like to see the vote on a voting application of sorts - not irc and not wiki - lots of librarians still scared of irc 11:26 slef nengard++ 11:26 indradg nengard, ++ 11:27 joann wondering about 1 vote per person or per institution 11:27 nengard we can use google forms again like we did for conference registration 11:27 nengard or some other app 11:27 joann that worked well 11:27 Brooke_ per person, plox 11:27 gbengaadara nengard, ++ 11:27 * Brooke_ is homeless. 11:27 druthb people are attending, not institutions. 11:27 kf does google forms need registration? 11:27 nengard no 11:27 jwagner agreed per person 11:27 liw rangi, I'll point out to you that ikiwiki has a sort of polling thing, not particularly safe against abuse though 11:27 slef I don't mind IRC voting as well. I'm also tempted to say it should ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. 11:27 nengard right 11:27 thd People vote and institutions are not people no matter how the law defines institutions for some purposes. 11:27 joann so 1 person per vote - lets do the +1 thing 11:28 nengard slef++ 11:28 joann +1 11:28 Brooke_ +1 11:28 slef Not as something to hold people to, but because the successful thing is a popular kohacon. 11:28 kf +1 11:28 druthb +1 11:28 nengard +1 11:28 thd +1 11:28 davi slef++ 11:28 jwagner +1 11:28 ColinC +1 11:28 Nate_ +1 11:28 indradg +1 11:28 tajoli +1 11:28 slef If one of the other bids can please more people, it should win. 11:28 davi ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support 11:28 joann ok - 1 vote 1 person 11:28 joann and i like slefs suggestion 11:29 * Brooke_ has always taken it that way. 11:29 irmaB "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. ++ 11:29 irmaB +1 11:29 wasabi_love +1 11:29 nengard +1 11:29 Brooke_ so nengard 11:29 indradg irmaB, ++ 11:29 Brooke_ if not IRC 11:29 joann +1 11:29 Brooke_ are you willing to tally ballots sent to you? 11:29 slef Maybe post-conference if 3012 people expressed interest in attending but only 3 did, we can ask why more usefully. 11:29 kf I_would_attend..++ 11:29 indradg nengard, for the election office 11:30 rangi :) 11:30 nengard ?? 11:30 indradg officer 11:30 nengard oh - yes i'll tally them 11:30 joann "i would NOT attend if it was held in x " has merit too 11:30 nengard i'll put a form up if you want 11:30 kf joann++ 11:30 druthb you've been drafted for Election Judge, nengard. :P 11:30 joann we are not going to make everyone happy 11:30 Brooke_ right 11:30 Brooke_ no hard feelings implied 11:30 thd How are we going to count the votes? 11:31 nengard 2 questions per location - so a 6 question form 11:31 Brooke_ there is always next time 11:31 indradg yep 11:31 nengard thd i put a form up 11:31 slef joann: mmm, not sure. I think a comments box asking if+why any of the venues was difficult for them to say they'd attend. 11:31 nengard and then share the resulting csv file 11:31 wasabi_love nengard: what was the voting/polling website you used previously? 11:31 slef wasabi_love: limesurvey IIRC? 11:31 nengard oh! yes I can use that too if you want 11:31 kmkale by when? 11:31 thd nengard: How do we decide which wins? 11:31 nengard um ... most votes? 11:31 slef doodle and google also work reasonably well 11:31 wasabi_love ah, cheers slef, 11:32 nengard i'm okay with doodle or google - you all tell me where and i'll set it up today 11:32 thd nengard: plurality voting? 11:32 slef software.coop have a survey website we can use, but that's a conflict of interest 11:32 kf nengard: if we have positive andn egative votes we have to do some sort of calculation 11:32 wasabi_love would limesurvey work for the kohacon2011 voting? 11:32 kf limesurvey++ 11:32 nengard i'm agreeing to put the vote together - not make the final decision based on the poll 11:32 nengard wasabi_love yes 11:32 kmkale lets have simple questions 11:33 thd nengard: what if more people prefer some place in Asia but divide their vote between options? 11:33 Brooke_ oh c'mon 11:33 kmkale not +ve and -ve ones. 11:33 Brooke_ no dividing votes 11:33 Brooke_ no funny business 11:33 Brooke_ one vote 11:33 nengard :) 11:33 Brooke_ one person 11:33 Brooke_ one site 11:33 Brooke_ grow a spine 11:33 Brooke_ sorry 11:33 kmkale go Brooke_ 11:33 joann if too many people will not attend place x, that number could be greater than x getting most yes votes )if yes votes are split) 11:33 rangi i dont think we mix 11:33 Brooke_ we can organise MMPish voting *next* conference 11:33 slef I'd have one person, as many sites as you would visit. 11:33 rangi why make our lives complicated 11:34 gbengaadara one man, one vote -current slogan here in Nigeria :) 11:34 Brooke_ it will take too bloody long this go round 11:34 slef But again, I've a conflict of interest :) 11:34 nengard okay here is my proposal - +1 is you approve - set up limesurvey with 7 questions: 1. email address (for preventing dups) #1-#3 I will attend if koha con is in XYZ #4-#7 I will not attend if kohacon is in XYZ 11:34 joann no - it sknown 11:34 rangi just vote for where you would go 11:34 davi one person, as many sites as you would visit++ 11:34 nengard rngi i'm okay with that too 11:34 joann yep - i think nicoles suggestion too hard 11:34 thd Brooke_ divided vote is when most people prefer something other than X but X wins in plurality because most people voted for Y or Z. 11:34 kmkale no -ve questions please 11:34 nengard joann - that was your suggestion! :) hehe 11:35 nengard you said we should ask where peopel won't go 11:35 gbengaadara i can go to india or uk. just prefer UK 11:35 joann i know - ive changed my mind 11:35 indradg nengard, I'll be attending the next Kohacon wherever it may be held... so is not answering (i wont attend) can be an option? 11:35 davi one person one vote, as many sites as you would visit & as many sites you will not visit ++ 11:35 joann what about : ranking them 1-4 and less points wins 11:35 thd indradg++ 11:35 gbengaadara But will attend India too if she wins 11:35 rangi omg 11:36 nengard okay so 4 question - email and where will you go - should we do like they do on code4lib and let people rank them? 11:36 rangi how about, just vote for the places yuo would go to 11:36 thd joann++ 11:36 kmkale one vote ++ 11:36 rangi if you would go to them all, just vote for the one you like the best 11:36 indradg rangi, ++ KISS works 11:36 nengard rangi++ 11:36 thd I think that ranking is the simplest for now. 11:36 joann so: 1 vote for your favourite place. 11:36 * rangi is tired and wants to go to bed 11:36 joann me too .. 11:36 nengard i'll do whatever the most of you want 11:36 nengard i'm not particular 11:36 rangi cna we end the meeting and people can keep talking about voting systems when im sleeping 11:37 davi rank as much locations as you want ++ 11:37 Brooke_ you're the chair, dear. 11:37 irmaB me too 11:37 kf 1 vote favourite place 11:37 joann l1 favorite place 11:37 thd rangi: Call the question on ranking votes as we did for the foundation 11:37 joann 1 favaorite place 11:37 rangi im not calling nothing 11:37 slef joann++ 11:38 thd OK 11:38 davi rank++ 11:38 davi as we did for the foundation 11:38 kf a vote about the vote? seriously? ;) 11:38 joann so choices are: A: rank or B: 1 favorite place 11:38 thd I propose that we rank votes as we had done for the foundation. 11:38 indradg kf, :) 11:38 irmaB BobB says voting implies intention to attend! 11:38 Brooke_ B++ 11:38 davi A++ 11:38 kmkale B++ 11:38 slef irmaB: not sure everyone sees it like that. Sock-puppets are popular on teh interweb. 11:38 tajoli B+ 11:39 joann A++ 11:39 thd A+ 11:39 jwagner B+ 11:39 wasabi_love A++ 11:39 nengard A++ 11:39 druthb A++ 11:39 slef 0 11:39 kf 0 11:39 irmaB B+ 11:39 gbengaadara A+ 11:39 joann (oh come on slef - you always have an opinion :D 11:39 thd :) 11:40 wasabi_love ha 11:40 Oak "favorite place" ? that's how we are going to choose the location... 11:40 slef joann: yes, but introducing a third option doesn't help rangi get to sleep. 11:40 thd slef wants score voting which I do too but it is too complicated to decide now. 11:40 joann so B=5 A=7 11:40 rangi can we move on to the meeting time for march, then the discusssion can continue after 11:40 nengard i'm putting two polls up and you can all tell me which you like and which is the official 11:40 nengard :) 11:41 wasabi_love rank it is.. 11:41 rangi heres what i propose 11:41 kmkale nengard: that will delay 11:41 joann rank it is 11:41 nengard k rant it is 11:41 rangi im gonna do the call for meeting timgs 11:41 davi rank it is 11:41 rangi then im gonna end this meeting 11:41 slef rant? That's my sort of vote! 11:41 nengard LOL - rank :) 11:41 rangi and someone can do #startmeeting 11:41 indradg slef, like++ 11:41 rangi and continue on the voting 11:41 nengard i think a vote has been made 11:41 nengard we're done 11:41 Brooke_ yep 11:41 nengard next meeting? 11:42 rangi thank god 11:42 rangi we make our lives harder than they need to be a lot of the time 11:42 kmkale how about fixing a date for end of poll? 11:42 thd Is there a start and end date for the vote? 11:42 rangi #topic next meeting time 11:42 thd kmkale++ 11:42 kmkale plz lets decide the dates now 11:42 slef thd: I propose we delegate that to nengard :) 11:42 kf nicole will make a suggestion for the dates? 11:43 nengard 2 weeks 11:43 kf hi sekjal 11:43 slef next meeting time! 11:43 kf nicole++ 11:43 kmkale 2 weeks is good 11:43 indradg nengard, ++ 11:43 rangi i propose 2nd march 11:43 * sekjal_ hates VPN 11:43 thd I am happy to delegate to nengard and let rangi and joann sleep. 11:43 kf first week of march would be great for me 11:43 nengard 2nd march++ 11:43 kf but not to decide 11:43 davi 2nd march++ 11:44 rangi what time? 11:44 wahanui time is a scary thing 11:44 kmkale 2nd march as the date of next irc meeting? 11:44 rangi yes 11:44 nengard rangi is asking for a vote on the next meeting i think 11:44 kf 2nd march++ (my birthday :) ) 11:44 kmkale :) 11:44 indradg =! 11:44 Brooke_ voting on Conference to close via email by mid Feb? 11:44 Brooke_ actual votes 11:44 indradg kf, cheerio 11:44 thd +1 11:44 slef indradg: kmkale: is now or +12h better for your timezone? 11:44 thd +1 2nd March 11:44 joann goodnight all 11:45 kmkale Brooke_: 2 weeks fro the day nengard puts up a form and posts to the lists 11:45 ricardo Hi all. Yes, for me it can be also be on 2nd March (I'm sorry that I couldn't atttend the meeting today. I can't see logbot here... Has any bot / one logged this meeting?) 11:45 indradg slef, anything works 11:45 rangi is here 11:45 ricardo Ah... Sorry. There's logbot 11:45 ricardo rangi: Right 11:45 kf ricardo: there is log, the bot will tell the link soon 11:45 kmkale slef: ? 11:46 slef kmkale: which time is better for your area? 10:00+0000 or 22:00+0000? 11:46 kmkale now 11:46 kmkale 10:00+0000 11:46 slef I'm thinking there may be questions need asking after the kohacon vote is settled. 11:46 kmkale 22:00+0000 is 3.30 am 11:47 davi So Next IRC Meeting = 2nd march 10:00+0000 ? 11:47 irmaB Have a good day/night all! Bye 11:47 wasabi_love davi++ 11:47 kmkale 2nd march 10:00+0000 ++ 11:47 ricardo davi++ 11:47 rangi that makes it stupid oclock 11:47 rangi for usa 11:47 rangi 2 months in a row 11:47 * Brooke_ can live with stupid oclock twice in a row 11:48 Brooke_ can't speak for the rest of us though 11:48 kf hm, we have the 3.6 roles next meeting 11:48 thd +1 anytime 11:48 ricardo rangi: Speaking for myself, I don't mind having the meeting at another time :) 11:48 davi neither me 11:49 * jcamins can't really speak at all this early in the morning. But provided April is a different time, I can deal with next month being at 5am again. 11:49 nengard LOL @ "stupid oclock" 11:49 davi Just trying to set a date 11:49 slef other option is 22:00+0000 (as usual?) with a kohacon meeting at 10:00+0000 some day? 11:49 indradg rangi, we should keep rotating the meeting time the way we are doing 11:49 rangi 18:00 utc? 11:49 rangi thats 7am nz time 11:49 gbengaadara indradg: +1 11:49 slef oh it's 18:00 11:49 kf good for europe then too - 7pm 11:49 kmkale 1800UTC is good too 11:49 rangi 7pm for uk 11:49 slef kf: no, 6pm 11:50 rangi that ok? 11:50 slef kf: sorry, 8pm CEST/MESZ 11:50 kf whatever 11:50 kf time_zones-- 11:50 kmkale 1800UTC is 23.30 India 11:50 ricardo rangi: For Portuguese people, like myself (and other European like kf has just said) 7 PM UTC is a good time 11:50 rangi whats 1800 utc in usa? 11:50 kf civil time in the evening 11:50 thd +1 1800UTC 11:50 slef rangi: up to 1300 11:50 davi +1 1800UTC 11:50 jcamins 1300, maybe? 11:50 slef s/up to/around/ 11:50 sekjal rangi: 1800 UTC is good for the US, all around 11:50 rangi thats 2am nz 11:51 rangi i wont be ther efor that :) 11:51 gbengaadara Hard to get convenient time for everyone. Why not just rotate? 11:51 slef US and AU hog multiple timezones 11:51 rangi thats what we have been doing 11:51 rangi 10 utc this time 11:51 davi Can we agree something? 11:51 kf davi++ 11:51 slef davi++ 11:51 slef 18++ 11:51 gbengaadara then 22 utc next 11:51 rangi i vote 18 utc 11:51 jwagner +1 1800UTC 11:51 kf 18++ 11:52 davi 18++ 11:52 ricardo 18 H UTC ++ 11:52 wasabi_love 18++ 11:52 slef next time, let's boot rangi out of the chair when he gets tired ;-) 11:52 ricardo slef: LOL! 11:52 rangi i was tryuing to do that 11:52 kf make an action and end meeting :) 11:53 gbengaadara 18.00 UTC. 19:00 Lagos ++ 11:53 rangi but you guys wouldnt be quiet long enough for me to do endmeeting 11:53 sekjal 18:00 ++ 11:53 rangi which is the only way someone else can become chair 11:53 * jwagner deploys Cone of Silence 11:53 thd :) 11:53 * mle gives jwagner 10xp 11:54 rangi #agreed next meeting march 2 18:00UTC 11:54 kmkale oops 11:54 rangi #endmeeting 11:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Feb 2 11:57:18 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 11:54 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.html 11:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.txt 11:54 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-02-02-10.00.log.html 11:54 rangi right, someone else can do #startmeeting 11:54 rangi if they want the meeting bot to log :) 11:54 Brooke_ pfft 11:54 Brooke_ we're done 11:54 ricardo huginn ++ ;-) 11:54 huginn ricardo: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 11:54 kf lunch now 11:54 ricardo LOL 11:55 slef kf: sorry, you were right. I got confused with people talking about April, which will be after MEZ/MESZ change. 11:55 indradg er.. when is the next meeting then? 11:55 kmkale who can tell me more about TT implecations on WIP? 11:55 kmkale indradg: next meeting march 2 18:00UTC 11:55 kf slef: I was not sure when the time change will happen - confusing time zones a lot 11:55 kf slef: thought meeting today was at 11pm... 11:55 slef kmkale: requires any tmpl changes to be converted 11:55 kf good that I had the window open 11:55 indradg kmkale, look at the /topic 11:55 rangi theres a script for that 11:55 indradg :( 11:55 slef kf: last Sunday of March and October. 11:56 indradg kmkale, oops.. never mind 11:56 rangi to convert templates, eventually ill stop accepting patches in h::t::p 11:56 rangi but i wont make people redo what they have done 11:57 rangi but woe be upon you if you start something after the cutover :-) 11:57 kmkale rangi: when is that? 11:57 jcamins rangi: go to sleep. 11:57 rangi when its finished 11:57 rangi ill give a week or 2 warning 11:57 kmkale :) 11:57 rangi but anything in progress 11:58 rangi just finish, ill deal with converting it to tt, or show you how to 11:58 kmkale how do I test your work with TT? 11:58 rangi email the devel list 11:58 rangi and ill answer you in the morning 11:58 rangi or ask kf 11:58 kmkale cool 11:58 kmkale good night rangi 11:58 * rangi goes to bed 11:58 rangi (have to be up in 5 hours :() 11:59 sekjal rangi: I hear you... just did that, myself 12:00 sekjal but, the car is unburied, and I didn't get frostbite! 12:00 thd slef: note my most recent message about score voting. 12:01 ricardo rangi: Thanks and sleep well! :) 12:01 slef thd: I saw it, didn't really understand it, replying in that thread is still on my plan. 12:01 slef biab 12:01 thd slef: That is a dull tedious message. 12:02 thd slef: The short exciting message is still coming.. 12:02 ricardo Ah great... The nick "ricardo" is already registered here in OFTC by someone else, although it hasn't been used in 6 years :( 12:04 thd ricardo: How do I register my nick? 12:04 ricardo thd: With NICKSERV commands :) Write /nickserv help register 12:07 nengard okay all who are still here - I have finished a vote - it asks for email and then to rank the 4 proposals - if that's okay give me a +1 and I'll send it out to all via email 12:08 nengard if you won't attend somewhere you don't have to rank that location 12:08 kmkale +1 12:08 jcamins +1 12:09 Oak +a 12:09 Oak +1 12:09 nengard :) 12:09 jwagner +1 I guess (still prefer straight count, but ....) 12:09 kmkale me too (still prefer straight count, but ....) 12:09 gbengaadara +1 12:10 thd where is it nengard? 12:10 Oak nengard, you will send using the mailing list ? 12:10 nengard didn't publish it 12:10 nengard yet 12:10 nengard if i publish people will start voting and i didn't want that until you said okay 12:10 nengard and i did a rank because we got more votes for a rank than we did a straight count 12:10 thd nengard Should it not also ask for a name? 12:10 nengard i can add that :) 12:12 kmkale nengard: name of institute represented too is possible 12:12 jwagner nengard, yes, I know the rank won the vote, I am just fighting a rearguard action :-) 12:14 nengard added name and institution (the latter is not required) 12:14 ricmarques I have to go lunch now. Take care everyone! :) 12:32 Oak thanks nengard, got the mail 12:32 Oak about Vote for KohaCon 2011 12:41 kf REGISTER 12:42 jcamins Does scp-ing a git repository work? 12:42 druthb it should, yes. 12:43 jcamins Good. 12:43 kf ok, can someone tell me how to register my nick? 12:43 kf and please don't refer to the nickserv helpp... because I have it open 12:43 thd kf: Yes I just did it. 12:43 jcamins kf: I managed to earlier, but I've forgotten how. 12:44 * Brooke_ might revert to an old handle. 12:44 Brooke_ I hate this underscore. 12:44 kf you could try a dot... ;) 12:44 kf thd: so what is the right command structure? :) 12:44 thd kf: type /NICKSERV REGISTER YourPassword you@email 12:45 kf ok will try 12:45 kf unbekanntes kommando = unknown command :( 12:46 jwagner kf, that syntax worked for me 12:46 kf the nick is invalid? 12:46 thd kf: did you start with /NICKSERV ? 12:46 kf I wrote it lowercase now 12:46 kf and got a window from nickserv 12:46 kf : (notice) The nick you are trying to register is invalid, please choose another nick to 12:47 thd kf: I choose mine because the letter combination is unlikely to be taken already. 12:48 thd s/choose/chose/ 12:48 kf too short? 12:48 kf is the nick to short for registration 12:48 kf ? 12:48 thd kf: I think that may be your problem 12:48 jcamins That was going to be my guess. 12:49 kfischer yeah, that worked 12:50 cait ok, could be worse 12:50 cait cait and kfischer then 12:50 kfischer feels strange 12:51 druthb :) 12:51 jwagner Can we sue OFTC for causing multiple personality disorders??? 12:52 druthb mine predates OFTC, so probably not. 12:52 jdavidb ...talk about feeling strange.... 12:52 jcamins Was druthb already taken? 12:53 druthb nope. :) I registered it. 12:55 jcamins If I set mail delivery on koha-patches to disabled, will I still be able to submit patches? 12:58 wasabi_love yes 12:58 jcamins Good. 12:58 wasabi_love you just wont get emails from that mailing-list 12:59 jcamins Excellent. 12:59 wasabi_love afaik 12:59 jcamins I get e-mails on a different address. 12:59 jcamins But git send-email not working is annoying. 13:11 kf thd: thx for your help - sorry got distracted earlier 13:11 oleonard Apologies for missing the meeting everyone 13:12 thd Your welcome kf 13:12 nengard is there a way to set it so that you don't have to /identify everytime you log in? 13:12 oleonard nengard your IRC client may have a way to automatically do it 13:12 kf not sure, but perhaps you can in your irc client 13:13 oleonard Chatzilla does it for me 13:13 kf provide the password there 13:13 nengard thanks oleonard - i'll find that option 13:13 kf oleonard++ 13:13 jcamins nengard: I think you use Adium, and Adium will do it automatically for you. 13:13 thd kf: later when identifying type /NICKSERV IDENTIFY YourPassword 13:13 kf thd: figured that out :) 13:14 thd Does anyone know how to automatically identify in XChat? 13:14 nengard i don't use adium - i use xhat and i found the option - gonna log off and log in and see if it works 13:14 jcamins nengard: oh, well, good. 13:15 nengard hmmmm ... not sure that worked 13:16 thd nengard: I have been using XChat for 6 years and not succeeded at automatic identification on freenode. 13:16 nengard bleh 13:16 nengard i use adium for other chats - but i don't like irc in adium so that's why i use xhat 13:16 liw I've not had problems with automatic identification on freenode with xchat 13:17 * chris_n attempts to wrestle bip into submission... again :P 13:17 thd nengard: Is that xhat and not xchat? 13:17 * jwagner suggests bopping bip? 13:17 chris_n lol 13:18 * druthb be-bops, just because. 13:18 thd jwagner: I use XChat via bip do you have automatic identification working in bip? 13:18 jwagner thd, I don't even know what bib (or xchat) is.... 13:19 chris_n thd: I do as well and it seems oftc may be doing things differently 13:19 chris_n config which works on freenode and katipo does not here 13:19 liw thd, I use bip+xchat, works fine for me 13:19 * jcamins uses irssi. 13:19 thd liw: What do you do for automatic identification? 13:20 * chris_n does 'on_connect_send = "PRIVMSG NickServ :IDENTIFY secretfoo' 13:21 chris_n in the connection block 13:21 thd chris_n: You use that in bip? 13:21 chris_n yup 13:21 * jcamins is pretty sure that irssi just did it for him without any configuration at all. Weird. 13:22 thd chris_n: I think my problem is that I always start out as thd_away which is not registered. 13:22 liw http://paste.debian.net/106300/ 13:22 chris_n ahh... maybe 13:23 liw seems like oftc's nickserv and freenode's nickserv have nick and password in different order 13:23 chris_n ahh 13:23 * chris_n runs off to try that 13:23 liw the url above is my bip redacted bip config, please notify me if I forgot to remove some password 13:23 * gmcharlt corrects the record 13:24 gmcharlt I am not, in fact, 2011 years old 13:24 chris_n >snicker< 13:24 Brooke_ thank ye 13:24 Brooke_ chris apparently is. Little wanker didn't correct that part of his. 13:25 chris_n liw++ # <NickServ> 08:27:51> You are successfully identified as chris_n. 13:25 Brooke_ oi! 13:26 Brooke_ you can't just *remove* the birth date information. 13:26 * Brooke_ slaps the back of Galen's hand. 13:26 Brooke_ removing a feature is not *fixing* the problem. 13:26 jwagner Where is all this birth date info? 13:28 Brooke_ oh ho 13:28 Brooke_ he put his in 13:28 nengard anyone know who's spamming the #koha feed on twitter? 13:28 * Brooke_ retracts the little wanker statement. 13:29 gmcharlt nengard: looks like a bonafide newspaper 13:29 chris_n fixed 13:29 nengard and all those articles are about koha? 13:30 gmcharlt Koha is the name of the paper 13:32 nengard oh no!! 13:32 Brooke_ there can be more than one gift in the world 13:32 nengard if i block the paper do you think they'll be hidden from my feed? 13:32 nengard gonna try that 13:32 nengard cause i can't find any of the #koha news I care about 13:33 nengard Brooke_ we had #koha first on twitter!! :) 13:33 jcamins nengard: no. 13:33 nengard yeah i know 13:33 nengard that club had it first 13:33 Brooke_ nengard: do you have title insurance? 13:33 gmcharlt Brooke_: I'm tweaking the infobox to add a microblog tag for twitter/identica etc 13:33 nengard just throwing a mini-tantrum 13:34 Brooke_ gmcharlt++ 13:34 nengard woo hoo - blocking worked 13:34 jcamins Brooke_: isn't title insurance only applicable to cars? 13:34 nengard and Brooke_ what kind of title insurance? got it on my house :) hehe 13:34 jcamins nengard: really? It didn't for me. 13:34 nengard hmmmm 13:34 nengard jcamins you're right - it hid them when I clicked block but now that i rerun the search they're back 13:35 jcamins I'm probably just using Twitter wrong. 13:35 jcamins Oh well. 13:35 jcamins Oh, drat. I would've preferred if it worked for everyone else. 13:36 nengard hmmmm 13:37 gmcharlt nengard: we can also do #kohails or #kohalms or something if need be 13:37 kf we could try to spam them with koha news until they rename the paper? ;) 13:38 nengard gmcharlt yeah, i think that's gonna have to be the trick, just that everyone has gotten used to #koha 13:55 nengard is the z search in acq different from the one in cataloging? I have a report that the acq z search is pulling in 952 fields but i've never seen the cataloging one do that 13:56 kf nengard: the forms are differnt - I added some missing options. And you can define a framework- not sure about other differences 14:03 slef kf: koha jone or another one? 14:05 jcamins nengard: I just realized what it is. 14:05 jcamins OCLC. 14:06 nengard oh!!!!!!!! 14:06 jcamins I remember deleting those fields at Princeton, too. 14:07 slef jcamins: always? 14:07 jcamins slef: well, we always did at Princeton. 14:07 jcamins Maybe some people keep them. 14:07 slef jcamins: as in OCLC always send 9xx fields? 14:07 jcamins I think so. 14:07 slef bleah, I hope that's documented 14:08 * slef browses http://www.oclc.org/ 14:08 slef http://www.oclc.org/support/documentation/z3950/search_IRs/#952structure 14:09 nengard ICK 14:09 nengard but good that it's documented 14:09 slef so OCLC users need to configure Koha to use something else? 14:09 slef Someone told me why Koha uses 952 but I forget. 14:09 nengard i have a theory .... but it's not a nice one :) 14:10 slef nengard: what's yours? Mine is 852 => 952 14:11 slef Should koha's z search warn and offer to discard if it sees a biblio/items mapped field in results? 14:12 jcamins slef: because 952 is used for local holdings by OCLC. 14:13 nengard slef the marc import lets you ignore holdings - so i think the z search should too 14:13 nengard maybe a sys pref or a checkbox on the z search page (don't import 952) 14:14 nengard i'll start a report for this and include the chat 14:16 nengard bug 5684 posted 14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Z search on OCLC pulls in 952s 14:17 nengard got to prep for a webinar now 14:17 nengard thanks for the help all 14:34 kmkale I am seeing mass exodus and re-entry of people in this channel, Whats that about?> 14:35 jcamins kmkale: Netsplit. 14:35 jwagner Beats me... 14:35 jcamins kmkale: if you're fast perhaps you can steal someone else's nick. 14:35 oleonard jcamins: ? 14:35 liw kmkale, the whole oftc network is having problems, it seems -- it's one of the results of having more than one irc server involved, it seems 14:35 kmkale why should I when I have such a good one? ;) 14:35 jcamins oleonard: one (or more) of the IRC servers has stopped talking with one (or more) of the others. 14:36 kmkale aww. I hope nothing to do with yasi 14:36 jcamins kmkale: that's good, because actually you missed your opportunity. 14:36 oleonard druthb: We run into Bug 5685 all the time 14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5685 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Validation of email address field 14:36 kmkale :) 14:37 druthb yep, it's a perennial problem. It doesn't *seem* like that should be hard. 14:37 druthb I've seen one-liner regexes that will confirm RFC-compliance on that, I just can't lay a finger on one ATM 14:37 oleonard druthb: The most common problem we have is inadvertent spaces 14:38 liw most sites that validate e-mail address syntax get it wrong for corner cases, though 14:38 jcamins Just so long as '+'s are allowed. 14:39 druthb If we simply check for presence of <something>@<somthing>.<something>, with no spaces, that would get a minimal check in place. 14:39 liw for example, spaces are sometimes allowed in e-mail addresses 14:39 liw (but require quoting) 14:39 druthb *nod* painful check, that one. 14:40 * oleonard grouches Anyone who's such smartass as to provide an email with a space doesn't deserve a notice! 14:40 jcamins oleonard: was there a regression in the cataloging interface, with cloned fields collapsing the original field and not themselves? 14:40 oleonard jcamins: I don't know anything about it 14:41 jcamins oleonard: hm. I thought you fixed it. 14:42 oleonard I'm a little hazy on what I fixed :| 14:42 * jcamins remembers again why he hates the cataloging interface 14:42 druthb oleonard++ # for fixing so very many things, that he forgets some of them. 14:43 liw https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Email_address links to http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx which may be useful 14:57 jcamins gmcharlt: about? 15:00 gmcharlt jcamins: what's up? 15:01 jcamins Do you have any idea how to make MARC::Record not die on a record with a field that has no subfields? 15:01 jcamins I have a record which has a 655 field, but no subfields. 15:01 jcamins MARC::Record won't create an object out of it, so I can't delete the field. 15:02 jcamins ... 15:02 jcamins Never mind. 15:02 gmcharlt ? 15:03 jcamins Operator error. 15:03 jcamins No, I was wrong. 15:03 jcamins Grr. 15:03 jcamins Okay, please un-disregard my question. 15:04 * druthb finds all this confusion very....confusing. 15:04 * jcamins too, and he's causing it 15:06 * jcamins will try restating the problem. 15:07 jcamins I have a record, in Koha, which has been corrupted. 15:07 gmcharlt jcamins: right got that - to cut to the chase, what exception are you getting, specifically? 15:08 jcamins Field 655 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92 15:08 jcamins The strange thing is that there are indicators. 15:09 jcamins Just no <subfield> tags. 15:09 gmcharlt can you paste the XML, please? 15:09 jcamins Sure. 15:10 * jcamins pokes pastebot 15:11 jcamins http://paste.koha-community.org/133 15:13 kf jcamins: are you sure that's allowed? 15:13 jcamins kf: no, it's definitely not allowed. 15:13 kf so we should not support that 15:14 kf jcamins: ignore me - having a crazy day 15:15 gmcharlt jcamins: it would be a matter of wrapping it an an eval and checking for the exception 15:16 gmcharlt I could add a lenient mode to MARC::File::XML to only warn about such exceptions (and drop affected fields) instead of croak()ing, I suppose 15:16 druthb kf: The problem is that C4::Biblio::LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities will gladly *create* such problems, if you send in an authority controlled field that only has a $9. 15:16 jcamins kf: the problem is that I have this in a database, and now I can't fix it. 15:17 jcamins gmcharlt: is there anything you can do once you catch the exception, or are you pretty much SOL if you really want that MARC::Record object? 15:18 jcamins Okay, the usmarc parsing recovers. 15:19 kf jcamins: I said ignore me! on second thought I knew you wouldn't create something like that on purpose ;) 15:19 jcamins Is there any currently-existing utility that rebuilds the marcxml from the usmarc? 15:20 sekjal jcamins: surely... pass it to MARC::Record, then output as MARCXML? 15:21 jcamins sekjal: yeah, I know how to do it, I'm just wondering if there's anything included with Koha that I should be using. 15:21 sekjal ah, pre-existing subroutines, right 15:22 jcamins ModBiblioMarc. 15:25 jcamins Simple Perl question: how do I catch an error in an eval {}? 15:25 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 15:25 jcamins How do I find out if there was an error in an eval {}? 15:27 jcamins Oh, I got it. 15:27 gmcharlt eval { # do stuff }; 15:28 jcamins $@ 15:28 gmcharlt if ($@) { # an exception has been caught } 15:28 jcamins Thanks. 15:30 tcohen moving all my kohas to storage server driven virtual machines, SWEATING 15:38 jcamins Woohoo! 15:38 jcamins My script worked. 15:38 jcamins gmcharlt++ 15:38 jcamins druthb++ 15:38 jcamins sekjal++ 15:38 jcamins kf++ 15:38 jcamins Did I miss anyone who helped? 15:39 * kf didn't help 15:39 * paul_p didn't help too, but if you set a ++ to kf, I'm OK to get a ++ too :D 15:39 paul_p good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever everybody 15:41 sekjal would the time/date set on a client machine accessing the staff client webpage affect any of the date data? 15:42 sekjal say, if my local machine's time was 2 weeks ago, would that leak into Koha and provide bad dates in places? 15:42 oleonard it would affect the default date of the datepicker widget 15:44 kf bye 15:50 jcamins paul_p: I'm glad you're here. 15:50 jcamins I have a question for you. 15:51 jcamins You put a note in C4/Biblio.pm about re-encoding each subfield. 15:51 jcamins And I can't figure out what that section of the code does. 15:52 jcamins (I'm finding it in gitweb) 15:53 jcamins paul_p: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;h=0cc63ab69bb3e9448d83f4392cd1f17945795ccf;hb=HEAD#l311 15:53 jcamins paul_p: any idea what that does? 15:54 paul_p jcamins, this portion set the utf8 flag to all item fields 15:54 paul_p otherwise, the utf8 flag is not set, Perl think it must be reencoded & you get a double encoded item :((( 15:55 jcamins Oh. Item fields. 15:55 jcamins That's what I didn't understand. 15:55 jcamins Thanks. 16:02 Ahmuck__ tcohen: sweating, why? 16:03 tcohen time, angry librarians 16:05 tcohen have 28 kohas in production right now :-D 16:06 tcohen i hope i finish this migration tasks soon, so i can code something! 16:18 Ahmuck interesting 16:18 Ahmuck how r u migrating? 16:23 tcohen we have an internal (must-use) svn repo with our koha branch and configurations for each instance on it 16:23 tcohen so we run a "installing script" 16:23 tcohen to have the filesystem fr a specific instance 16:24 tcohen and several tweaks on the OS done 16:24 tcohen then shut the site down, move the DB to the new DB server 16:24 tcohen svn up for the newer config for the instance 16:24 tcohen and change the DNS 16:24 wahanui tcohen: that doesn't look right 16:25 tcohen which part is not right for you 16:25 tcohen ? 16:25 wizzyrea_ tcohen: wahanui is a bot 16:25 jcamins tcohen: wahanui is a bot. 16:25 wizzyrea_ jinx! 16:25 tcohen jaja 16:25 jcamins We don't know exactly why s/he says some of the things s/he says. 16:25 tcohen interesting 16:27 tcohen i was expecting a complain for our use of svn instead of git from wahanui 16:28 tcohen :-D 16:28 jcamins tcohen: I was thinking of asking you about that. 16:28 tcohen our "production" division provides as with the tools, as they maintain them 16:29 tcohen everyone here uses SVN, so there was no option for a git repository 16:29 jcamins Ah. 16:30 tcohen i had problems with them for sticking to ubuntu lts instead of opensuse (for example) 16:30 tcohen but i won that battle 16:30 jcamins tcohen: but isn't it easier to install Koha on Ubuntu? 16:30 wizzyrea_ and even easier yet to use debian :P 16:30 tcohen i was the ubuntu guy 16:31 wizzyrea_ OH 16:31 wizzyrea_ I read that the other way round 16:31 wizzyrea_ that you wanted opensuse and they wanted ubuntu 16:32 jcamins Oh, I misunderstood as well. 16:32 tcohen is my english as a second language problem 16:32 tcohen mmm 16:32 tcohen i think i have the same problem speaking spanish 16:33 tcohen :-) 17:08 nengard what does this mean "nengard_lunch sets mode -R nengard_lunch" 17:09 wizzyrea_ away Spud! 17:11 wizzyrea_ it means you're registered 17:17 nengard so now i have two registered names? 17:17 nengard cool 17:17 nengard :) 17:18 chris_n @later tell chris pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here 17:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:18 wizzyrea_ he's here 17:18 chris_n opps.... 17:18 wizzyrea_ pastebot0? 17:19 jcamins He's broken, though. 17:19 jcamins chris_n: chris is rangi, isn't he? 17:19 chris_n very 17:19 chris_n @later tell rangi pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here 17:19 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:19 chris_n right 17:20 * chris_n is trying to cope with nick changes ;-) 17:20 wizzyrea_ weird he was working yesterday 17:21 pastebot0 "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "TEST TEST" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/134 17:21 chris_n hmm 17:21 chris_n works now 17:21 chris_n @later tell rangi forget it 17:21 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:22 jcamins Why didn't pastebot work when I tried pasting? 17:23 jcamins Oh well. 17:29 chris_n jcamins: I'm not sure; it did not work for me the first time, either; but second go round was ok 17:32 sekjal later, #koha 17:40 jcamins chris_n: once rangi pushes bug 5683 you'll probably want to cherry pick it for 3.2.4. 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 17:41 jcamins That's a pretty serious problem... I'm actually kind of surprised no one ever encountered it before. 17:44 jcamins accoutlines.amountoutstanding is not a cumulative amount, correct? 17:44 jcamins That's the amount of each transaction? 17:44 atz so is there any accessible version of what the old wiki had as "encodingscratchpad"? 17:44 atz that was a useful document 17:44 jcamins atz: there is, but I am too tired to remember where off the top of my head. 17:44 jcamins This may take a few minutes... 17:45 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Encoding_and_Character_Sets_in_Koha 17:45 jcamins atz: ^^ 17:45 atz s'ok, i just didn't want to lose that reference. i think i've referred to in on list at least a half dozen times 17:45 atz cool, thx 17:45 atz better name too 17:47 rangi jcamins: amountoutstanding is the amount left, it might increase or decrease 17:48 rangi (increase if it is a fine, and the fine has increased, decrease if someone has written off, or paid some/all) 17:49 jcamins Ugh. 17:49 rangi accountsoffset used to contain the amount changing by 17:49 rangi statistics still does 17:50 jcamins So if I want to know the change in fines between January 1 and February 1 for a specific borrower, is that possible? 17:50 rangi so amountoutstanding is what you use to check if someone owes money (or could be in credit too) 17:50 rangi yes 17:50 rangi look in the statistics table 17:52 jcamins Ah. 17:52 chris_n jcamins: will do 17:56 jcamins Wait. I think I meant "amount" not "amountoutstanding." 17:56 jcamins No, maybe not. 17:58 rangi slef: about? 18:01 slef rangi: only for 5mins max 18:01 rangi chanserv has forgotten us 18:01 rangi can u fixinate? 18:05 slef done 18:05 rangi thanks 18:07 wizzyrea_ @wunder lawrence ks 18:07 huginn wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -11.6�C (12:10 PM CST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 18:07 wizzyrea_ brrr 18:15 jwagner @wunder 20740 18:15 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.0�C (1:18 PM EST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Falling). 18:15 jwagner Heat wave! 18:19 rangi jwagner: my sister is in dc 18:19 rangi arrived yesterday 18:20 jwagner We lucked out on the storm -- it tracked just north of us so instead of the predicted inch or two of ice we just got rain. 18:21 jwagner Lots of flights cancelled all across the country, so it's lucky she got here! 18:21 rangi yep, fly from sfo yesterday 18:21 rangi is only there for 3.5 days 18:21 rangi invited speaker talking about discrimination and health 18:21 * druthb thinks jwagner and I should kidnap her and get the incriminating stories about rangi. 18:22 jwagner or hold her hostage until rangi does lots of nifty things like the oft-requested cloning and time travel modules! 18:22 * druthb is not *that* mean. 18:22 rangi back to nz in time for the superbowl 18:22 * jwagner is :-) 18:23 druthb I will, however, make sure that the stories make it into a publicly-accessible git repo...open source, you know... 18:23 jwagner Hmmm. Now that's an argument in favor.... 18:23 druthb http://github.com/stories_that_rangi_wishes_you_wont_read.git 18:24 rangi heh, shes got nothing on me 18:24 jwagner rangi, in my experience, sisters ALWAYS have something on you. And vice versa, of course. I have some great blackmail material on my sister. 18:25 druthb mhm. siblings have the dirt, always. I've got some on my brothers, who are a whole generation older than me. 18:26 rangi naw my wife has tons more 18:27 jwagner well, yes, obviously. But don't discount siblings! 18:27 rangi im pretty sure she wont see anything more than her hotel and the conference venue this trip 18:28 rangi but she has been to dc before 18:28 cait hi all :) 18:28 jwagner Hi cait 18:28 jwagner rangi, probably for the best. We still have a bunch of piled up snow all over from last week's storm, and now it's melting and getting really slushy & horrible for walking. 18:29 jwagner Not good sightseeing conditions. 18:29 rangi yup 18:36 rangi speaking of superbowl 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6096 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6102 18:37 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=6081 18:38 jwagner Ah, who cares about the Super Bowl? The NHL All-Star break is finally over, so we have ice hockey again. And pitchers and catchers report for baseball spring training in 12 days!!! 18:38 rangi that was the last time, when it was on on a public holiday here 18:38 brendan_ jwagner++ baseball++ 18:38 jwagner Put me in, Coach, I'm ready to play! 18:39 rangi ok bus time, be back from on the bus 18:39 jwagner I've been arguing for years that Opening Day of the baseball season really should be a national holiday. I mean, who cares about Columbus Day? 18:40 druthb heh 18:40 * jwagner makes note to check spring training schedules and try for a quick Florida trip in March. 18:42 * druthb already has a florida trip in march, but rather doubts that baseballs will be involved. 18:43 jwagner They could be, you know. Hard to go very far in Florida in March _without_ running into a spring training game. 18:44 druthb heh. I'll be out in the weeds southwest of JAX, so we shall see. 18:45 jwagner http://www.springtrainingmagazine.com/grapesched11.html 18:47 druthb doesn't look like anything close to where I'll be, for the small number of days. Pity. 18:55 rangi Back 19:03 rangi The woman in front of me is rocking out hard to her music 19:03 rangi Its making my day 19:03 rangi </ bus_tales> 19:07 rangi HOW CAN I GET OFF THE BUS 19:07 rangi My stop bbiab 19:07 rangi That joke only makes sense if you are on the mailing list 19:08 Brooke_ kia ora 19:08 jcamins rangi: I got it. 19:09 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 19:10 cait rangi: you are evil ;) 19:10 Brooke_ he is no such thing 19:10 cait can we hide the 2.2.9 somewhere? 19:11 cait behind a sphinx' riddle? 19:11 Brooke_ how about in an archive 19:11 Brooke_ collecting dust 19:11 Brooke_ where it belongs. 19:12 cait ok, that would work too 19:14 druthb jwagner! This is *all your fault!* 19:15 * jwagner looks around -- what did I do? 19:15 * druthb has John Fogerty in her head now. grrrrrr. 19:15 * Brooke_ gets ready to "escort" jwagner... 19:15 jwagner How about Glory Days instead? 19:15 druthb that *song...* 19:16 cait huh? 19:16 * Brooke_ is a darling. 19:16 Brooke_ know that one? 19:16 jwagner the "Put me in, Coach" line was from a John Fogerty song called Centerfield (about baseball). 19:16 jwagner Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days also refers to baseball. 19:16 jwagner I think my favorite baseball song might be Tom Paxton's My Favorite Spring, though 19:16 cait thx :) 19:17 rangi back 19:17 druthb cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc 19:17 cait oh no 19:17 Brooke_ nsfw ;) 19:17 cait not sure I should click on that - don't want another thing runnign around in my head 19:18 Brooke_ don't do it, it's a dreadful pop song. 19:18 druthb the song is somewhat infectious. The video is a lot of vintage baseball footage, a baseball trivia geek's dream come true. 19:18 rangi i see you baseball stuff 19:18 rangi and raise you a cricket video 19:18 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE 19:18 jwagner But rangi, we taught you ALL ABOUT baseball in Plano! 19:19 rangi :) 19:19 rangi spaceball according to kahu 19:19 Brooke_ why, he's not throwing underarm at all ;) 19:19 rangi check out the catch at 47 seconds 19:19 jwagner I distinctly remember a lot of instructional comments like, The rule in this situation is this. Except for _this_ situation. 19:19 rangi NZ in the house! 19:21 jcamins What happens if you run rebuild_zebra with just the argument -b? 19:21 rangi see at 15 seconds 19:21 jcamins What? 19:21 rangi thats how i broke my little finger on my left hand 19:21 jcamins Oh, you're talking about a video. 19:21 rangi s/broke/shattered/ 19:23 jcamins Looks like it will work. 19:23 jcamins Is it safe to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b? 19:23 jcamins On a currently-running production system? 19:23 rangi im not sure it actually does anything 19:23 jcamins Oh. 19:23 rangi without either -r or -z 19:23 jcamins Drat. 19:23 rangi try it with -v and ull find out 19:23 jcamins It says it's reindexing. 19:24 mtj yep 19:24 rangi yeah it 'says' that 19:24 rangi id check with -v to be sure 19:24 cait I think the manual states a b w 19:24 cait so it should do somehting without r and z 19:24 ibeardslee jwagner: that reminds I need to find that John Fogerty album .. the tape died a couple of years back 19:24 cait ? 19:25 mtj you must use -r or -z 19:25 rangi cait: what would it do? 19:25 cait no idea 19:25 rangi -r rebuild, -z use queue 19:25 rangi without either .. its not gonna do anything 19:25 jcamins -r is actually reset. 19:26 jwagner ibeardslee, I converted all my LPs and cassettes to digital format a few years ago -- I have that album if you want the files. 19:26 jcamins Apparently. 19:26 rangi reset + rebuild 19:26 rangi since it uses the shadow, the index stays useful, until the commit at the end 19:27 cait rangi: you are right, manual says <path/to/koha>/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a 19:27 rangi mtj is right :) 19:27 cait hm, but lucid install manual states: 288 7.2 Fast Index: 19:27 cait 289 $ misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w 19:28 rangi patch that sucker 19:28 cait ? 19:28 jcamins Okay, fine, I'll just add all the records to zebraqueue. 19:28 jcamins No, I think the Lucid manual might also be right. 19:28 ibeardslee jwagner: let me check that I still have the physical tape lying around still 19:28 cait the first line was from the debian file 19:28 rangi yeah you dont want to use -w 19:28 rangi unless you really really have to 19:29 rangi and without a z or r thats still doing nothing 19:31 * rangi is reading the code 19:32 mtj -w passes -n to zebraidx 19:32 mtj -n is noshadow 19:32 rangi yep 19:33 rangi i think without -r you will make a mess, duplicate records 19:34 jcamins I went with the unelegant but effective way: added a whole slew of entries to zebraqueue. 19:34 mtj which looks like an undocumented zebraidx arg ? 19:34 jcamins Zebra? Undocumented? 19:34 jcamins Golly, whatever will they think of next? 19:34 rangi it means dont use the shadow files 19:34 rangi ie, change the live files 19:35 mtj oops, there it is... 19:35 mtj -n Disable the use of shadow registers for this operation (see Shadow 19:35 rangi so yeah, if you run just -b without the -r .. unless its the first time you have run it, its just gonna add the same stuff twice 19:35 mtj Registers in the Zebra manual). 19:36 jcamins -qwerty Destroy the world as we know it 19:36 cait I think Fast Index means first time in this case , but probably a warning sould be added? 19:36 jcamins -azerty Refuse to understand the standard API 19:36 mtj ive only ever used -r or -z 19:37 jcamins I've never had a production system that was only partially corrupted before. 19:37 rangi mtj: me too 19:38 mtj meh, looks like koha.net discovered 1/ twitter, 2/ spamming 19:39 jcamins Okay, time to run to my meeting. 19:40 rangi to be fair 19:40 rangi they have had the name koha longer than the project has 19:41 mtj … they were using the #koha tag before us? 19:41 rangi koha ditore is a paper that has been around for ages 19:41 rangi im not sure thats how twitter works mtj :) 19:42 rangi you cant own a hashtag 19:42 rangi #kohails seems a fine one to use, it will get all the koharu kosumi 19:42 mtj heh, point taken ;) 19:42 rangi and club koha in florida 19:42 rangi stuff out of the flow too :) 19:43 rangi oh and some playboy model has koha in their name too 19:43 ibeardslee .. 19:43 rangi gotta be careful checking your rss fee 19:43 rangi d 19:43 rangi :) 19:44 mtj gotta be careful checking your arss feed 19:44 rangi *grin* 19:44 mtj ok, time to catch a train... 19:44 rangi /whois mtj ? 19:45 mtj mason 19:45 rangi ahhh 19:45 rangi i missed the nick change 19:46 oleonard-away Time to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 19:46 rangi oh good point 19:47 mtj yeah, i got over novelty of having a huuuuge nick, and optimised 19:47 mtj oleonard++, will do 19:49 rangi someone wanna sign off a really easy patch .. who wants to learn signing off? 19:49 cait mtj is an abbreviation for? :) 19:49 rangi mason the awesome james 19:51 cait hm ok 19:51 jwagner I'm going to call it a day...see you all later. 19:51 * rangi made some of that up 19:52 cait rangi: yeah, but know i will probably remember who mtj is :) 19:53 rangi no one wants to learn how to sign off 19:53 * rangi hopes are dashed 19:54 cait i can do it tomorrow if noone wants to learn 19:54 cait leave me a message 19:54 cait or ask davi 19:54 rangi bug 5682 19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5682 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, POD in C4::Charset was wrong 19:54 rangi its a pod change, perfect learning patch 19:56 cait ok, so better leave it? 20:00 rangi yeah, ill try and get davi to do it 20:00 cait ok 20:01 cait chris 20:02 cait rebased the template_test branch 20:02 cait now I have like pages full of perl errors 20:02 cait al saying something about global symbol 20:02 cait chris = rangi 20:02 rangi ill tell chrish when he gets in 20:03 cait just thought you might have an idea 20:03 rangi sounds like a typo to me 20:03 slef help #koha! 20:03 cait hi slef 20:04 slef there's a quote along the lines of "a professor is just someone who has enough time to look up the answer" but I can't find it or remember the exact wording 20:04 slef anyone know it? 20:05 rangi hmmm nope 20:05 cait nope 20:05 druthb Hmm...only one I know of is "A professor is someone who talks in somone else's sleep" --W. H. Auden. 20:05 slef An alternative thing I'd like to find is the list of translations of common maths lecture terms, like "trivially = I forget how to prove this but I'm sure it's obvious" 20:06 slef web searching just finds tons of lectures :) 20:06 cait oh 20:06 cait I came across that one in my math book 20:06 oleonard rangi: Is there a most likely cause for problems with the Template toolkit test? Somewhere to start looking when something isn't working? 20:06 cait and almost always meant I had no idea how he came from step 1 to step 3 20:07 cait oleanord - does the branch work for you? 20:07 slef cait: the colleague who pinned the translations to my office door was German. Maybe you are more sceptical? ;-) 20:07 cait I get a lot of global symbol perl errors after rebasing 20:07 oleonard cait: I haven't fetched and rebased since ~24 hours ago 20:07 rangi oleonard: yes, a variable that is set in the template in the wrong scope (template toolkit cares about scope, html::template doesnt) 20:08 rangi so look for things like missing bits of a url, then look in the template and see what the variable is, chances are its in the wrong scope 20:08 cait chris hall sent mail, saying he had fixed some things - so I did 20:08 rangi as we find them, we adjust the conversion script to do the right thing 20:09 oleonard Missing bits of a url? 20:09 oleonard I'm looking at the (already documented) problem with moremember.pl 20:09 cait look at the search results in staf and klick on a title 20:09 cait the url end biblionumber= 20:10 * oleonard can't even get to the search results because of an error 20:11 cait search worked for me yesterday 20:12 cait Global symbol "$theme" requires explicit package name at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 55 20:12 cait and a lot more like that 20:13 * Brooke_ waves to hdl 20:14 rangi hi hdl 20:14 cait hi hdl 20:14 hdl hi all 20:16 oleonard cait: I fetched and rebased and don't have any new errors 20:17 cait yeah 20:17 cait I think I made a mistake 20:17 rangi hdl: 3 patches rebased .. 1 signed off already .. :) 20:18 hdl which ? 20:18 wahanui which is totally fine 20:18 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5574 20:18 huginn 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements 20:18 rangi see the depends on list there 20:18 rangi that will grow as i work through it 20:19 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5681 <-- ill be pushing today 20:19 huginn 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values 20:19 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5681#c2 20:19 huginn 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values 20:19 rangi unit test ftw :-) 20:20 cait my git status shows like a zillion new files 20:20 hdl thx. 20:20 hdl Going behind a closed vpn see you soon 20:21 rangi cya :) 20:22 cait something went wrong with my rebase 20:22 cait created a new branch 20:22 cait now it works 20:33 cait time to sleep :) 20:33 cait good night all 20:34 rangi sleep well 20:34 cait thx :) 20:37 hdl rangi: any chance someone tested the remove_items branch ? 20:38 rangi not as far as i know 20:38 hdl First i agree that we must focus on the other branches... 20:38 rangi does it have a bug number? 20:39 hdl http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 20:39 huginn 04Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 20:39 rangi im currently working through 5574 making component bugs 20:39 * druthb waves. 20:39 rangi i can switch to 5579 if you want 20:39 rangi and come back to 5574 when i have done it 20:39 hdl not at all. 20:40 hdl 5579 could be good for community... But we never deployed that. 20:40 rangi ah yes, 5579 is one i would like to see tested and integrated 20:40 rangi i think ti would improve circulation a lot 20:40 hdl It DOES. 20:41 rangi my plan was 5574, then 5575 20:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=428556cd130db0cfcffd6fe081f32dc1218a904f> 20:43 hudsonbot Starting build 332 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 20:46 chris_n is it me or does java support really stink in FF.... this browser crashes repeatedly under havey JS loads 20:47 chris_n heavy, even 21:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #332: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/332/ 21:07 hudsonbot Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records 21:09 rangi oleonard: are you around? 21:09 oleonard For a few more minutes 21:09 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5661 21:09 huginn 04Bug 5661: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, Authority search return an "Error 500" when "Sort by" is set to "No order" 21:10 rangi you signed off on .. i cant seem to find the signed off patch 21:10 oleonard Hm, I must have forgotten to send it 21:11 rangi cool im not going mad :) 21:11 rangi when you get a chance that would be cool 21:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f7bcdcbae336d7cceb71b60f77a8ba2249b0f54> 21:13 oleonard Hm, sent but I think without my signoff :| 21:13 * oleonard looks around for a spare -s 21:13 hudsonbot Starting build 333 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:14 oleonard Before you had 1 too few, now you have 1 too many. 21:15 rangi heh 21:15 rangi ta 21:16 rangi another new developer yay! 21:16 * oleonard has some success on Bug 5532 21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5532 enhancement, P5, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED, "Saved" message for sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs 21:16 rangi oh cool 21:17 * oleonard will have to leave more for tomorrow 21:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c269dfdeb49ac45d492edde5b1ad1f67d01aff65> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=079796ed189541a0f04126c97e97cad50fb18783> 21:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #333: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/333/ 21:38 hudsonbot Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies 21:38 hudsonbot Starting build 334 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:03 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #334: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/334/ 22:03 hudsonbot * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order 22:03 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs 22:10 rangi darling: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c269dfdeb49ac45d492edde5b1ad1f67d01aff65 22:13 hudsonbot Starting build 95 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e97507fc16270f3eaaf0315059fd2680e7b74cf> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9cbf98a0199387f57863422c06cd6cf8cebd4e0> / Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit 22:15 darling !! 22:16 rangi heh 22:16 darling131 that makes me very happy -- no longer living the lie that I'm useful to Koha workings 22:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #95: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/95/ 22:36 hudsonbot * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records 22:36 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies 22:36 hudsonbot * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order 22:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs 22:36 mtj that 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... 22:37 mtj i'm gonna have to bugzilla it 22:37 jcamins_away mtj: what bug? 22:37 wahanui bug is, like, fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: forget what bug 22:37 wahanui jcamins_away, I didn't have anything matching what bug 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: bug? 22:37 wahanui bug is probably fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied 22:37 jcamins_away wahanui: forget bug 22:37 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot bug 22:38 mtj well, briefly… its to do with a search limiting on CCODE , doing right-wildcard stuff 22:39 jcamins_away Truncation on CCODE? 22:39 jcamins_away Weird. 22:39 rangi C4::Search does some mental things 22:39 mtj so a search on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI), brings up results from MATAHI_XXX ccodes 22:40 mtj the quick fix for the mo, is to rename that specific ccode 22:40 mtj im sure its a bug in the /marc21/record.abs file... 22:40 mtj ive modded it from... 22:41 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 22:41 mtj to 22:41 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode:w 22:41 mtj copying from other examples, etc… 22:41 jcamins_away mtj: don't you also need ccode:p? 22:42 mtj but after a zeb-rebuild, and zebserv restart, still the same results :/ 22:42 mtj ccode: p ? 22:42 mtj yeah, poss.. 22:42 jcamins_away Yeah. 22:42 mtj fyi: ive tried most variants 22:42 mtj including ... 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:p 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode: p 22:43 mtj but not... 22:43 mtj ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode: p 22:44 mtj pass, i dont really understand the diff. only that it wont work as *i* want it too 22:45 mtj from the zebra-doc... 22:45 mtj Incomplete field (@attr 6=1) Word ('w') 22:46 jcamins_away mtj: I can't claim to understand any of that. 22:46 mtj http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html#querymodel-pqf-apt-mapping-accesspoint 22:46 mtj Incomplete field (@attr 6=1) Word ('w') Traditional tokenized and character normalized word index 22:47 mtj complete field' (@attr 6=3) Phrase ('p') Character normalized, but not tokenized index for phrase matches 22:47 mtj i *think* i want the 'p' , not the 'w' ? 22:47 jcamins_away That's what I'd think. 22:48 mtj fyI: the call to zebrasrv looks sane.. 22:48 jcamins_away Because I think (possibly with no basis) that w would parse that example you gave as two different words. 22:48 mtj 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01`\x01\x02)(MATAHI) 22:48 mtj 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios OK 609 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 MATAHI 22:49 mtj yet i get 952$8= MATAHIX results returned :/ 22:50 mtj tries rebuilding with 'ccode:n,ccode: p' 22:52 mtj well, my example koha has MATAHIX and MATAHI_X items, both are returned on a MATAHI limit 22:53 mtj fy: the unimarc ccode is defined with a ccode:w, the marc21 is not in record.abs (for the log) 22:55 mtj hmm, its defined twice in the unimarc file. 22:55 mtj mason@xen1:~/g/head/etc$ grep -ir ccode ./* 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 995$h ccode,item 22:56 mtj ./zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode 22:57 jcamins_away Good luck. 22:58 jcamins_away I'm going to call it a (much-needed) night. 22:58 jcamins_away Good night (again), #koha 22:58 mtj cheers, i'll get there! 23:09 hdl mtj: we defined it twice to be able to index ccode at biblio level (for biblios which donot have any item, could be important) 23:10 mtj hdl: yeah, that was my guess, too 23:10 mtj my ccode limit bug probably exists in koha with unimarc too, i think 23:11 * chris_n greets si 23:11 sijobl hiya 23:11 * sijobl looks around the room 23:11 sijobl nice digs you have here 23:11 chris_n lol 23:12 chris_n we're trying to spruce it up a bit :) 23:12 sijobl although I see chris doesn't get to be chris anymore 23:13 chris_n there were several nick changes which had to take place I think 23:13 rangi nope 23:15 * chris_n goes off to bottle more honey 23:16 hdl mtj: namely ? 23:20 mtj hdl: read your scrollback? 23:20 hdl will look the logs 23:21 mtj http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-02-02#i_593762 23:21 mtj mtj that 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... 23:23 hdl oh.... mtj we already worked on that... 23:23 mtj hdl: sorry bbiab, busy now.…. 23:23 mtj aaah! 23:23 hdl yes... having ccode with p helps... 23:23 hdl But you have to use ext 23:23 mtj any info for me? 23:23 hdl will find the patch for you 23:23 mtj ok 23:23 * mtj hugs hdl 23:23 rangi be perfect if you made a bug mtj 23:24 rangi then you can sign off the patch and add to that 23:24 mtj yep, i will 23:24 hdl was fixed in 3.0 irrc 23:28 hdl mtj: add p to your ccodes definition. 23:28 * mtj greps for 'ext' in HEAD 23:29 hdl Then line 168 and 183 on master opac/opac-search.pl 23:29 hdl change ccl=>$itype_or_itemtype to 23:29 wahanui hdl: that doesn't look right 23:29 hdl ccl =>qq($itype_or_itemtype,ext), 23:30 hdl I have phr in my code but it is not enough... Problem is that icu doesn't care about complete subfield. 23:32 hdl here is my commit # on master e62d328c253e51c03722326325898c935067dbfe and bug number assigned is 4049 23:32 hdl in bugzilla 23:33 mtj hdl: ok, very nice! 23:34 mtj i have problem with ccode, not itype - but i think the problem is the same :) 23:35 hdl mtj: depending on systempreference, ccode is just another name for itype or itemtype 23:36 rangi i really like this 23:36 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=5574&hide_resolved=1 23:37 * rangi will bbiab 23:45 mtj hdl: just doing some testing now, thank you! 23:45 hdl you are welcome